HAL JORDAN in the DCAU - Explained? | The Vanishing Point

[@livid_productions5519]

Maybe the real Hal Jordan is the friends we made along the way.

[@crazybobert5243]

Tony used to be the friends we made along the way...

[@FizzyPopVevo]

I fucking love this meme.

[@Anti-HyperLink]

What about Barry Allen?

[@FizzyPopVevo]

Anti-HyperLink meh hal and barry are like a 2 for 1 if you won't buy the other you won't get either.

[@lewisaino]

And grief.

[@Yungtacosss]

In my headcanon Hal Jordan is the GL of the DCAU's silver age so that's why he barely showed up in the show and even fewer people know about him because he was mostly doing missions in space!

[@zyaicob]

Huh. Seeing as Alan Scott doesn't really seem to exist I'm willing to take you up on that.

[@dontemorgan1517]

@@zyaicob I believe Alan Scott exists because his son Obsidian is part of the justice league.

[@SlatheTheSpaceMarine]

@@dontemorgan1517 Is it ever stated on screen that he is Alan Scott's Son?

[@dontemorgan1517]

@@SlatheTheSpaceMarine If you read the actual dc comics and learn who he is, then yeah.

[@SlatheTheSpaceMarine]

@@dontemorgan1517 "Is it on screen"? "If you read the comics, yeah." - Do you understand what "On Screen" means? - The on screen content always trumps the comic content in these circumstances. - Unless you are speaking specifically and exclusively about a comic intended to be set within the Animated Universe - which of course: are you?

[@CozmicEmbyrs]

M Y W A R D I S A J U N K I E ?

[@AndrewGiles688]

Poor Roy. Doesn't even get any sentiment from his mentor, just gets called a junkie and is fired.

[@miqwerty]

(not clickbait)

[@AussieDragoon]

I mean, Hal could have like John or Guy's original origin from the comics, where he was a backup lantern. It could even be a similar thing to Hal and Guy, where the ring found both worthy but went to Hal because he was closer, it's just that Kyle was closer than Hal when Abin Sur crashed, then the Guardians sought him out later. He may have been chosen as a backup during starcrossed or savage times when John lost his ring and 2814 had no GL during that time so Hal was appointed around then, then he'd just be off training like Kyle was when he was trapped in off-screen land. So he wouldn't have responded because he was off Oa and not trained yet on how to get to Earth in time to fight Amazo.

[@popburnsy3207]

Or sector 2814 is really big and Hal didn't show up because he was busy some place else. Ta da.

[@Joshua_Shadow_Manriguez]

Also in Brightest Day Martian Manhunter could've been aware of why Hal wasn't available but why Kyle was. (Or was it Guy. I'm on mobile so I'd have to discard my comment to check.)

[@GilDice]

Hal was dead.

[@heavenlyking8386]

Well hal jordan could have just been on a different shift remember kyle was doing duty on oa

[@MineKurtMininer]

nooooooo waaaaaaaaaay it's official hal jordan was before guy and john and kyle none of those were before hal he is and will always be the first to wear the ring

[@BovineDesigns]

Maybe the Hal Jordan poster in the restaurant is Kyle Rayner cuz he had brown hair originally in the STAS

[@isetmfriendsofire]

I was thinking that too. WE know it's Hal, but maybe in universe it's not? I almost think that the Hal on the wall can be ignored, though, as just a cheeky little thing the writers threw in, without any affect on the characters actually in the DCAU.

[@mauricionavarro5397]

I like this idea

[@zyaicob]

I was thinking this

[@FredMaverik]

Yeah... and then there is a Hal Jordan statue in Fatal Five :)

[@T2266]

@@FredMaverik but with that, it wont limit "when" Hal became a green lantern, means we can push it latter in time.

[@roccoborghetti4693]

Honestly? They merged Jason’s origin into Tim’s Robin, so they could just use Kyle’s real origin as the DCAU Hal Jordan origin. That way it makes Hal the only Green Lantern for a while and accentuates the idea of Hal being the Greatest Green Lantern (since he’d be the only one and basically saves the entire GL corps) I don’t think it’d be a real stretch to do that nor do I think people would take too much issue with it since the DCAU Tim/Robin is pretty universally liked.

[@zyaicob]

Oh yeah I completely forgot the DCAU does this! Petition to call it "caking" from "having one's cake and eating it too".

[@georgejoestarii9469]

Jason is in DCAU I just looked it up on Google. But in the comic DCAU and Deathstroke is added he looked like Old Ollie.

[@TristenSarelvun]

@@georgejoestarii9469 Jason wasn't in the DCAU until a year or so ago. DCAU's Tim Drake took aspects from Jason because they didn't expect to use Jason.

[@MineKurtMininer]

they also nearly gave Jason's fate to Tim Drake which would've not been pretty

[@MineKurtMininer]

Most likely the reason to have Hal with Kyle's origin, was theoretically because Sinestro claimed the Yellow ring and began to almost genocide the corps, leaving hal to restore it given sinestro's GL ring and who knows maybe after restoring the corps, there were times where he had adventures with Abin Sur

[@splonko9788]

My head cannon is that Kyle and Hal just traded origins, when Kyle goes to train on Oah they select Hal as “temporary” green lantern of sector 2814. Then as he proves himself worthy they let him keep the ring. Hal doesn’t join the JL because one of the lanterns has to focus on protecting 2814

[@MineKurtMininer]

He would join the league, Yet. But I know he would eventually

[@novaiscool1]

My personal head cannon when I was a kid who never saw Superman the Animated Series was the Hal had come and gone as a lantern by this point. We know heroes have been a thing in the DCAU for a while, so having Hal be either retired or dead made since to me as to why he wasn't there.In theory you could argue that the Col. Hal Jordan that the jet belongs to is his son, who followed in his fathers footsteps wanting to help people.

[@frogwithafez3977]

Waited for this for what felt like forever.

[@zyaicob]

And now you can say "I'm up to speed, carry on."

[@MineKurtMininer]

no one told me guy gardner was there does this mean simon bazz came before jessica

[@mr.froodyfezbeer5872]

Hal Jordan: *isn't present in the Justice League series* Me: Honey! Flash is screwing up the timeline again!

[@georgejoestarii9469]

Jason, Hal, Slade, Barry, Teth-Adam, and Eobard they only appeared in the comic DCAU.

[@justice_productions_]

Honestly why not! I understand you guys make complex vids on the DCAU Timeline, but this universe is so amazing with its story telling, almost any character deserves to be a part of the Fun!

[@AussieDragoon]

Watchtower Databoys, I like this new development

[@zyaicob]

+

[@JJO902]

Obviously Hal didn't show p in Justice league unlimited because he was busy fighting the red lanterns in the forgotten zone with Kilowog and Razor.

[@isabelr3467]

And don't forget Aya!

[@MineKurtMininer]

My thoughts exactly, that also explains Guy Gardner's absence

[@rorylumley4727]

of course that would take place in the past as john stewart was mentioned to be a new recruit.

[@MegaZeta]

@@MineKurtMininer To be clear, the comment is not entirely serious

[@sasamichan]

Maybe its a time traveling abandoned wax museum that Batman just doesn't question.

[@Avenging_Archer]

It would be cool if Hal got his own DCAU movie explaining how he fits. They could give him a Booster Gold style adventure where he receives his ring but is immediately taken into a time/dimension traveling adventure that spans the entirety of the DCAU's history (past, present, possible futures), where he pops into the timeline to do heroics and fix stuff and then has to pop back out without anyone being the wiser, thus why people don't acknowledge his existence all that much. Haven't thought it through but it would be a nice way of explaining away his absence and simultaneous apparent existence in this universe.

[@MineKurtMininer]

Who do you prefer to voice hal in the dcau in that case, Nathan Fillion, Steve Blum(since InJustice 2), Adam Baldwin(cuz he voiced Hal in the JLU time travel episode, with nathan fillion voicing vigilante in the thanagarian episode of JLU), or Josh Keaton(since GL:TAS)

[@zeldafan6124]

​@@MineKurtMininerTom Kenny

[@MineKurtMininer]

@@zeldafan6124 Tom Kenny.......... SERIOUSLY?!?!?!?!?! TK gives off more plastic man vibes than Hal Jordan vibes

[@zeldafan6124]

@@MineKurtMininer you're right, you're right. I meant Nicholas Cage

[@MineKurtMininer]

@@zeldafan6124 I doubt Nick cage is affordable

[@rileygallagher5484]

Here’s what we need, justice league unlimited season 4 on the dc streaming service with watchtower database as continuity consultants. 👌

[@MineKurtMininer]

Or at least one more JLU movie with Hal Jordan and Barry Allen that's canon

[@bradenhogan2]

R.I.P. “because it’s Thursday” intro. Gone but not forgotten... ... well, that was fun! Who’s for pudding?

[@dcauwatchtower]

Oh it ain’t gone. Just subbed in this one for F5-related VP episodes. 🤙

[@Anti-HyperLink]

What's funny and makes this all crazier is that in the comics, when Guy Gardner was introduced, he was an alternate Green Lantern that got the ring instead of Hal in a kind of what if, but Booster Gold told Guy Gardner to be somewhere else, and that's why Hal Jordan got the ring. That's just so confusing and makes me wonder if Booster Gold was from the future of the world where I was Guy and not Hal and he couldn't stand Guy 🤣 I haven't actually read the specific stuff, I've just watched videos about it.

[@Dungeonstone]

Theory: All of the timey-whimy nonsense in "Once and Future" had some permanent effects. One of them being that is is now Hal who gets the ring in the Superman Animated episode (thus allowing for Hal's origin on the action figure packaging to make sense) and Kyle's origin is now "Last Green Lantern", given the ring by Ganthet (as per the DCAU comi book story). This means that it could be that both Hal and Kyle spend most of their time on OA throughout the Justice League timeline, John Stewart stays on Earth and Guy... Well Guy just doesn't get a ring until sometime after JL vs. Fatal Five.

[@MineKurtMininer]

And maybe that way we would have GL:TAS which would explain the absence of both Hal and Guy Gardner, giving John Stewart a new origin instead if being a military man he was and I quote "The Fake News Guy" and it would explain Kyle's uniform change

[@tonyantonellis9983]

not only we rarely saw Hal Jorden in DCAU, we also don't even see Barry Allen in DCAU

[@tonyantonellis9983]

@@spacedogawesome sounds like na honesty theory. can you make a video about that?

[@tonyantonellis9983]

@@spacedogawesome it never hurts to try

[@tjknight]

Who knows? Maybe he and Jay will be confirmed to have existed later on 🧠

[@tonyantonellis9983]

@@tjknight what will be the next installment of DCAU?

[@tjknight]

@@tonyantonellis9983 idk, I thought it was done in 2006 but luckily I was wrong

[@willielogan4811]

What if Hals story is like Kyle's is in the comics. Somewhere is 2002 he is chosen because with Kyle still needed to be on Oa. Something having a heart of pure courage. Fast forward to the Parallax business and when Hal "dies" his ring goes to Guy.

[@MineKurtMininer]

Or possibly better idea, Sinestro Genocides the GL corps and claiming the Yellow ring, leaving Ganthet the option of giving Hal Jordan the GL ring that originally belonged to Sinestro after he renounced it and became evil

[@LivermoreFalls]

Myself, without getting too bogged-down in the details, I just figured that in the Animated Universe, Hal Jordan spent more time in space/being the space cop and getting to earth only once in a great while.

[@joshuanishanthchristian5217]

I love these videos! Really serve to flesh out the DCAU even further in my mind.

[@kingdraco4634]

I’ve been waiting for this video after I saw that moment in the movie

[@kingofthegundam7974]

My assumption is that Hal's origin invovled the Lantern ring picking the nearest guy, no Abin Sur dying required. It might even be possible that Hal and Abin were each other's contemporaries!

[@MineKurtMininer]

Maybe Sinestro was exiled and his ring was given to Hal

[@GilDice]

​@minekurtmininer216 I think in this continuity, GLTAS is a Prequel series. In this universe, Hal's role with Abin kinda switched. Hal was the pro Lantern that was close with Sinestro, died, and Abin went to war with him instead. Abin passed his ring onto Kyle, because Guy was in deep space.

[@debbiebernhardt5406]

It's confirmed that hal Jordan in the comics is a cruz point for the gl corps. Jessica cruz and Simon badge both got sent back in time, accidentally revealing hal being a focal point that should never be tampered with. That's the most likely explanation. Its confirmed that hal was able to use his ring immediately before anyone else because he had the willpower to operate the green lantern ring himself. So they know he's a critical person for the corps future.

[@dennybecton]

Loved the video! Was really looking forward to this throughout the day! Also the “MY WARD IS A JUNKIE?!?” Really killed me!

[@TheComixkid2099]

My headcanon is that GLTAS takes place some time before Superman TAS. Hal Jordan is younger, Sinestro hasn't turned evil yet. By the time we see Sinestro in Superman, he's evil. If GLTAS *is* canon (big if), then I'd say Hal is on the other side of the Universe, maybe mediating things between the Red Lanterns and the Guardians. Explaining why he wasn't with the rest of the Corps when Amazo attacked, because it would have taken him 18 months to get back to Earth.

[@seanfulldark]

Hal I believe he fits in actually a little bit earlier, much earlier! I think if you pay attention. We got our green guardsmen was pretty much identical to another lantern. And that's how we introduce the multi-verse system. So if we going to the multi-verse installation. I think that could be a really interesting idea, but knows maybe we'll have our own infinite crisis DC animated movie. Then we can explain Barry! After all, we have Wally being our speedster in the animated universe! And, consider, we also see Junior and the reverse costume in the museum so many questions are left to be asked.

[@ThomasMatthewByrne]

In my head canon, there have been a number of Crises that have resulted in substantial retcons to established lore within BTAS, STAS, TNBA, and so on. In the first instance, I would say that the League existed prior to the debut of STAS, with the BTAS designs used in the Redan, I Love to Read Batman and Superman magazines from the mid-Nineties. Here, we have an established and expansive DCAU that differs considerably from the version shown post-Secret Origins. Also, Mullet-Superman is the standard version of Big Blue. My theory is that sometime before STAS, there was a Crisis event that essentially wiped the slate clean and had a new universe emerge that omitted Hal Jordan as a Lantern along with Barry Allen as the Flash. Batman and his supporting cast retained their history and origins albeit with certain cosmetic changes to villains and an updating of Gotham. With this in mind, one could treat Secret Origins as a quasi-N52 style assembling of the League with significant cuts to its prior history and roster. This alteration would persist until sometime after the end of JLU, when another Crisis would occur and a soft reboot of the post-BTAS universe would return the likes of Hal Jordan to continuity while not causing any major upset to established lore from previous series bar the Kyle Rayner origin story in STAS, which to my mind, is now non-canon. Also, perhaps the events of Far From Home never occurred either on this reset timeline and Kara In-Ze is now Kara Zor-El and is Clark's cousin proper. Perhaps she never departed for the future at all or is still floating in space waiting to be discovered in a Loeb-esque retelling of her story. Anyway, I think the JLU reunion that everyone is clamouring for could be best served with a film that covers all of these Crises and how they affected the different eras of the DCAU - they could call it Justice League: Secret Crisis or something. Maybe if Timm and company really wanted to push the boat out, they could explore even earlier events that predate BTAS with Bronze or Silver Age versions of the League that were variously nullified by each subsequent Crisis. Just an idea.

[@dontemorgan1517]

I have the exact same thought. It could explain why everyone got a different style from BTAS style to JL or JLU style.

[@noname-oq8ey]

They gave Kyle, Hal's origin in the DCAU. And they gave John, Kyle's origin in "Green Lantern: Beware my Power"

[@BadIdeaBoss]

I mean The Once and Future Thing shows that in an alternate version of the DCAU Hal could have become a Lantern, so it wouldn't be too far fetched to say that at some point down the line there'd be a multiversal crisis-ish mission that involved teaming up with a Hal Jordan Lantern in a prominent role, which eventually evolved into him being listed as an official member/reserve.

[@bdr113080]

They really need to make a Green Lantern Corp movie in the DCAU to show us how Hal became a GL.

[@MineKurtMininer]

And Hal's either voiced by Steve Blum, Adam Baldwin, or Nathan Fillion

[@Mercwithamouth616]

@@MineKurtMininerSteven Blum sucked as Hal. But I like Adam Baldwin more than Nathan Fillion if it were DCAU version. But I like Nathan Fillion in other stuff

[@Juan_x_Pedro]

You mean Harold Jordan right?

[@orckingi1208]

From what I know, Hal Jordan got his Green Lantern powers before John Stewart and Guy. Hal and Guy worked together a lot when in space fighting other Lantern Corps. Guy also has when helping the Justice League which included John Stewart. Since Hal Jordan, John Stewart, and Guy have become Green Lanterns with Guy knowing both Hal and John, all three are part of the same timeline, existing as Lanterns at the same time, two of them currently with the Green Lantern Corps on Oa and one on Earth with the League.

[@dcauwatchtower]

That all may be true in the comics but we have absolutely no way of knowing how it all transpired in the DCAU.

[@TheRealRobertBlarg]

My headcanon for Hal plays far more fast and loose and definitely doesn't work when you take into consideration some of the details concerning John Stewart's time as a GL as discussed in the actual DCAU. Until we get more clarification, I mostly consider Hal's origin as the same as his comic version. Maybe there are two Abin Surs, a father and son, OR the alien that died that gave Hal his ring was someone else entirely which also works because of the next controversial headcanon: I loosely consider GLTAS part of the DCAU in my headcanon. It's mostly disconnected from Earth so for the most part, it's not really an issue. The problem is, of course, timeline placement. Sinestro is still a GL and John is considered a new GL late in the show meaning it would HAVE to come before STAS's "In Brightest Day." Hal operating as a test pilot as seen in the aforementioned STAS episode is also fine as we see he continues acting as a test pilot whenever he's on Earth though what he's doing there as opposed to Ferris Air is odd. This headcanon would retcon Hal into being the first human Lantern (or one of the first depending on the continuity of the JL/JLU comics that feature the JSA). GLTAS also conveniently doesn't mention the name of the GL that gave Hal his ring. Therefore, it could be a different Abin or someone else entirely! The biggest issue here, surprisingly, is how John fits into things. John is established as having been a GL for awhile though I forget the exact dialogue from JL. If one ignores that portion this would actually retcon the four human GLs into their original comic appearance order. Hal is first, followed by Guy who gains a brief surge in popularity on Earth, the next time we see Guy we find out that John has become the new GL on Earth who eventually goes off to Oa since STAS-Abin Sur is protecting Earth. In GLTAS, Sinestro is still a GL but shortly after the show's conclusion, the GLs strip him of his ring (and we know John was around to be part of that event). Sinestro goes off and gets a yellow ring, kills Abin Sur, and Sur's ring finds Kyle making him the fourth human GL. Hal continues to operate mostly off in space while John is protecting the JL with the League and for whatever reason, he doesn't make appearances in JLU when the GLCorps is shown en masse. And then yeah, like this video states, I don't think "One and Future" is an entirely different timeline/alternate reality where Hal became a Lantern but simply that history was altered briefly to put Hal on this mission. It's not perfect by any means and definitely doesn't fit into the detail-oriented chronology of this channel that I dig but for me, this is just the simplest answer until if/when we learn more. I guess one the issue are the Manhunters and their role in GLTAS vs DCAU but yeah. That's just me though! In reality, GLTAS isn't part of the DCAU unless Timm decides to retcon it into being part of it.

[@samuelanderson1862]

That's EXACTLY how I see it too

[@maxalaintwo3578]

Doesn't Star Sapphire complicate things tho? She only makes one appearance and then goes back to being Carol is GLTAS, while she's a recurring villain in JL/JLU. Plus the DCAU's Star Sapphire is British, while GLTAS' is American.

[@barryscott9590]

Hal Jordan being a test pilot still works after him becoming a Green Lantern, as it's a pretty big part of his character that he still enjoys the thrill of the flight.

[@PKWinning07]

I knew you guys were gonna have a field day with this one as soon as I saw that scene in JLFF

[@EmmanuelMarin07]

That new soundbite is adorable. #BecauseIt'sPuddingDay

[@DARKECOFREAK98]

I have a theory if anyone'll listen. I think that in "In Brightest Day" we are actually witnessing a major timeline branch. In Timeline A, the episode plays out like normal as Abin Sur's ring chooses Kyle Rayner. In Timeline B, Hal Jordan is chosen instead. I believe that when Abin's ring flys off, it already has two candidates in mind and the timeline branches depending on who it chooses. The rings first choice is Hal Jordan and the backup plan is actually Kyle Rayner. Timeline A - Sinestro is evil In the episode, we watch the ring fly by the airbase where Hal Jordan works. I take this to mean that the ring is intentionally passing up on Hal. My theory is that Hal has the greater potential to be a better hero, but isn't ready to take on the responsibilities of a Lantern ring just yet. So, the ring moves on to its backup plan, Kyle. Kyle laments at the end of the episode how he isn't fit for the job, but his work as an artist is just what is needed to put Sinestro out of commission and defeat the more immediate threat. Timeline B - Sinestro is good This is a timeline where Sinestro is still an active member of the Green Lantern Corps and also the timeline where Green Lantern: TAS takes place. Abin likely dies by other circumstances and the ring is now free to go with its first choice as there is no immediate pressing threat to be dealt with.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

GL: TAS connections with either Justice League: Action or Young Justice aside, this is one well made interpretation of "For Want of A Nail".

[@Truenofan86]

@@michaelandreipalon359didnt Greg Weisman and Bruce Timm confimed that GLTAS can be "adjusted canon" to anything? Earth 16 or DCAU?

[@Spidermanfan937]

Hal Jordan is like a lot of characters in the DCAU they’re out there , but aren’t used in the show . In the Young Justice universe he’s there like the other lanterns . I just think he’s out there somewhere with the other lanterns .

[@Lifelight_]

Was it so hard to just acknowledge Hal Jordan as the first lantern from Earth and say that he was in space?

[@YukianesaDrive]

The guy sucks thoroughly in most iterations I've seen, why would his inclusion make the product better?

[@Lifelight_]

@@YukianesaDrive Because he doesn't suck in all iterations, mostly those you haven't seen. If you're making a mess trying to both include and not-include him, just say he's around in space and that's it. Save the hassle.

[@YukianesaDrive]

@@Lifelight_ I suppose that does make sense.

[@szymonostrowski8897]

I think Hal is backup for John, just like Guy was for Hal. I'm very curious how Garder fits into DCAU. Maybe Guardians were in need because some crisis and just recruited him. Just like in Crisis on Infinite Earths. This scenario works also with DCAU Hal

[@MineKurtMininer]

Or after the Time Travel episode, the origins changed making GLTAS canon

[@AkumaTh]

Question: What about the Green Lantern Animated Series? It was in 3D but it does seem to have the same style as the other part. If it took place before Justice League, it could explain why Hal or Guy wasn't there: they're Honorary Guard Lanterns and could be anywhere, even frontier Space.

[@joelfigueredo957]

AkumaTh There’s a scene in the show where Guy Gardner says John Stewart is replacing them on earth.

[@MineKurtMininer]

@@joelfigueredo957 maybe after the time travel episode it became canon

[@TheDuos2andotherthings]

This is what I think all the lantern origins are. Kyle has Hal’s origin, Hal has John’s origin , Jessica and maybe Guy have their origins intact and John has the origin of what you explained he has in another video of yours

[@DrTobogganM.D.]

I think Hal Jordan must have trained with Sinestro because of the figure pack. This would make him a green lantern far before Kyle’s first appearance. A similar alien green lantern must have crashed on earth but it could not have been Abin Sur and it passed the ring on to Hal.

[@MineKurtMininer]

Maybe in this universe since the yellow lanterns weren't a thing yet maybe the alien was Abin Sur's son Aman Sur

[@aviatordanz]

This now brings JL: Crisis on Two Earths back into the canon conversation.

[@CormanBARBARIAN]

Pssst skip to the end of the video

[@clockstomper]

I think the whole thing just proves how important Dwayne McDuffy was to the DCAU. He really cared about continuity and making things work.

[@dcauwatchtower]

Very true, however at the same time he introduced tons of characters in JLU without specifying their origins, so it’s not really anything new.

[@cobinizer]

Maybe he's from the Justice Lord's world. The portal was located in the Batcave. Hal could have powered it with his ring if Wayne Manor had the electricity turned off.

[@shoresean1237]

Totally invented scenario: Sometime after 'Once And Future Thing', imprisoned Justice Lord John Stewart has a will-to-power moment (like Kyle and Jessica in their debuts, and Main-John against Despero) where he is able to undo Luthor's block on his ability to use the ring, and summons it back. Creating havoc while searching for his comrades, he is confronted by Main-John, but the two run into the same problem the two Batmen did, knowing themselves as they do. Worse still, knowledge of his own GLC plus precautions placed on his ring (and battery, summons that too) means that Kilowog et al also aren't any help. Main-John yells that he has to find someone they KNOW can handle a ring that Lords-John knows nothing of, before he can find the other Lords. Batman says he may know of someone, and they find Colonel Hal Jordan and use power trickery to Hyperbolic Time Chamber him up to snuff. His tactics are just different enough that they beat Lords-John, and Batman has the ring & Battery taken back to the other Batman. Hal continues to train from there, with Katma declaring "He's a natural." Does it have enough holes?

[@JacobyJ56]

Get this man a no prize

[@samanthagonzalez1642]

1st in the 30's of the DCAU was Alan Scott, then in the early 1950's he passed down to Guy Gardener, then in the 1970's Hal Jordan, but in the 1980's (83-late 88) was probably fatally injured to the point of death by a recently turned evil Sinestro and prematurely passed the ring to a young John Stewart, who fought the now turned Yellow Lantern Sinestro and had been sent to Oa after training and his training possibly ended around the time Kyle got his Green Lantern Ring in his debut episode. Then he was protecting his sector from multiple threats, possibly in including that of Darkseid's invasion of Earth in Legacy (via Superman as his one Kryptonian army) and even a bit of Green Lantern enemy trouble here and there (this includes Violet Lantern). He kept doing it until the "Secret Origins" events had began to transpire into the forming Justice League.

[@cuddyfox6973]

If you notice in the background on the wall, they also use Aquaman's old skin, and not the JLU skin. I think that Jordan became a lantern before JL, before Author lost his hand.

[@cinemasean2098]

In the comics, Hal has a cousin also named Hal Jordan who becomes the superhero Airwave. Maybe that could explain the Col. Hal Jordan?

[@Douglas_Props]

“Theres a bug!!” “In your salad?” :D

[@spiritofarkham1235]

my headcannon is that sinced Kyle has Hal's origin story that Hal would have Kyle's

[@dcauwatchtower]

You’d think, but that would kind of require Kyle to become Parallax…not impossible!

[@samanthagonzalez1642]

Is the Batsuit that Terry wears inspired and color inverted (slightly-lightly) from the Batwoman suit with Nightwing flight tech, prior to the Justice League vs. the Fatal Five film batsuit? So the other one is modeled after Batgirl's batsuit from TNBA itself?

[@alexisschiffer4830]

Kyle Rayner in Superman TAS looked exactly like Hal. Even the same alien died to give him the ring. His appearance changed in JL: U to match his comic book counterpart.

[@zaviermichael6281]

3:31 this makes me laugh every time thanks for putting it in

[@135forte]

I am starting to think Superbabes was just a prank on the nitpickers.

[@Noobmaster-iz9dg]

12:13 that sync tho

[@terrencecastonguay1984]

Great vid, I always wondered about Hal in the DCAU.

[@jensenbest3890]

I died at 7:50. Great video as always!!

[@Bro-ne5uu]

I think Hal became a lantern before John as Adam Sur’s backup and proved to be better than expected and went to do other things so Hal didn’t return to earth until much later, when Adam Sur died, Hal was wounded and there was no other lantern free and/or close enough to come so Adam crash landed on earth and sent the ring to go find Kyle. Or Hal can just get it from Allan Scott

[@kruk_04]

what if GL : tas is part of the DCAU and take place after JLU, hal became an other human lantern after the return of kyle from space so that John an kyle are watching sector 2814 and hal is gone on some space travel with killowog, razor and aya. wich can explain the change of costum for JLVF5's killowog. plus in GL : tas we get to see Guy at some point. the only problem could be starsafire. but im not sur that in the DCAU it is said that starsafire is carol Ferris so ... what do you guys things ??

[@FredMaverik]

Star Sapphire IS Carol Ferris so you are wrong.

[@shadowclaw7210]

Dark Corbac no in one episode Guy became the part Honored guard and Hal question «who looking after earth» and answer is «John Stewart» So maybe between some how who knows.

[@theprinceofdarkness3250]

I believe since Green Lantern has "The Animated Series" in it and was produced by Bruce Timm it was a part of DCAU (but weirdly isnt mentioned in their timeline). There was a mention which our friend ShadowHand told us about in an episode "who was looking after Earth" and it was said that John Stewart is looking after Earth. Another mention was in an episode of Justice League where John was talking with Batman I believe... he was worried that The Guardians of OA might want him to return to OA and replace him with Hal Jordan but time proved otherwise...

[@MineKurtMininer]

i had the same thought it's no wonder we dont se guy and hal in the jlu and also why john and kyle arent in Gl: tas except it would take place before jl:tas

[@MineKurtMininer]

@@FredMaverik but to be fair hal jordan and guy are not there so its possible it takes place before justice league just so hal jordan and guy gardner are canon

[@chrisbowers7523]

I think it was a multiverse thing in the Hal camo and Hal is from a another part of the multiverse and probably has the same backstory. He may have shown up here and there but,is still a green lantern despite the multiverse and help when he decided to show up not on camera but the Hal statue is still Canon .

[@AirCanMaster]

Saying "I love ya" at the end was a nice touch.

[@digi_edits]

7:44 In Injustice Gods Among Us Year 2 Ch'p (A squirrel Green Lantern from another planet) almost single handedly kill Superman cutting his brain sinapsis because of his natural speed. That bug could have great traits against foes.

[@falleneldor]

Noooooooo. I didn't think this would have spoilers for fatal five. I only blame my self for having procrastinated in watching it for this long!

[@joseurbina3835]

I love the DCAU, but it has so many problems with its continuity it makes the timeline so inconsistent.

[@samialabdulhai4131]

Curb your meme music sounds a little bit similar to joker's music from Batman the animated series 😁 Und btw vanishing point is the best show on this channel ❤️❤️❤️

[@KairuHakubi]

oh yeah, the same slide-whistle bit.

[@JoelPerry1]

Here's a problem with 9:43. Old Bruce doesn't remember going to the future. The two Bruces aren't connected. So just because past John doesn't exist doesn't mean his future son would fade away as the timeline is fluctuating.

[@cray-seacoral]

John Stewart was *my* Green Lantern when I was younger. I didn't even know who Hal was. He got me into reading Green Lantern comics to begin with.

[@jonathancandelario9976]

Just wondering, will you guys ever do a video on the Batman Vengeance story and where it fits in the timeline?

[@dcauwatchtower]

Honestly, I saw the comment notification preview just say “Just wondering, will you guys ever do a video on...” and I thought to myself “Probably.” ;)

[@FiggityJones]

I know this is 4 years old, but I headcanon that the GL animated series is canon and that it takes place a while before everything else. But I am also very forgetful so it probably doesn’t work at all 😅 but even if it doesn’t, I feel like it could still be the case that Hal was a Lantern before everything in the shows and then stopped being one, explaining why we don’t see him and why J’onn implies its just Kyle and Jon around as Earth Lanterns. Also I don’t remember the Hal cameo context for the future stuff, but did he introduce himself to everyone or just the future heroes? Cause if its just the future ones, could just be that he wasn’t as well known. And if its everyone could be he was a Lantern far enough back, that no one really knew him and that Hal was from an alternate time where he was *still* a Lantern, along side Jon and Kyle. I don’t know what his origin would be though. Abin Sur’s twin brother who has the same name because… their aliens and thats how they handle twins on their planet >_> yeah that works. Bad luck for those twins though.

[@dcauwatchtower]

We’ll be doing an episode of our “Will It Canon?” show on GLTAS eventually!

[@ClampEEGEE]

Maybe "The Once and Future Thing" in story retconned Hal taking his origin story from Kyle, and giving Kyle his comic origin (albeit in the future)? We don't see Kyle again after Once and Future thing either, so it's possible.

[@mattcalloway6254]

Tbh I wasn’t a fan of how the DCAU just made it as if Hal Jordan, Barry Allen, Jason Todd etc didn’t exist

[@dcauwatchtower]

Hal and Jason definitely do now!

[@mattcalloway6254]

Watchtower Database Yeah but Hal and Jordan were Og and John and Wally wouldn’t be who they are without them so for them to not give them the love and attention they deserve is something that will leave a bad taste in my mouth when it comes to the DCAU

[@fredthetank8386]

Facts. They should have used Hal and Barry imo

[@nicolasbazzano2028]

My head cannon for DCAU Hal's timeline. Hal becomes GL of sector 2814 before John and serves for a long time, Guy becomes his alternate/replacement during this period but is injured and ends up in a coma (as in the comics) and is replaced by John as alternate, Hal exposes Sinestro's fascism resulting in Sinetro being stripped of his ring and later squiring his yellow ring, Carol becomes Star Sapphire for a while and is eventually freed of the gem, Hal retires and is replaced by John and returns to the Air Force were an old Saber Jet gets his name painted on the nose, Carol becomes a Star Sapphire again and her and Hal's old foes are still active, and John becomes a member of the Honor Guard and is replaced by Kyle on Earth. Then we get to cannon, wherein Hal's old villains are sitting around a table waiting for a gorilla to give them orders, and Carol and Sinestro still hate Green Lanterns. And Kyle goes back to Oa for more training with Katma Tui, and is replaced on Earth by John. This brings us to Once and Future Thing, where an alternate timeline Hal never retired from the GL Corps and is a member of the Justice League. And then in the future at some point he returns to active duty along with Guy after recovering from his coma, and they end up as statues in the Fatal Five. Seems pretty easy, if you just retcon out Kyle stealing Hal's origin in Superman,many give him back his own origin of a Guardian meeting him in a dark alley and saying "hey kid, wanna earn a magic ring?".

[@farrisward2211]

I think Hal may have been incorporated into the universe after the time traveling adventure ala Flashpoint. Maybe small details in the past changed the present and future. Maybe that evil cowboy guy disrupted the timeline with the future tech he acquired....

[@ItsMeSirius]

This is the second best use of the Curb Your Enthusiasm theme in the Wdb fandom.

[@KertaDrake]

Hal being a lantern, but being dead prior to the start of the DCAU could make sense. Perhaps he had just gotten revived by his appearances?

[@michaelandreipalon359]

I prefer the "For Want of A Nail" interpretation that in the DC Animated Universe, Hal Jordan stayed an Air Force pilot (who may have become an ace during the conflicts against, say, the Thanagarians and the Apokoliptians) never even ever became a Green Lantern, since John Stewart got the main role instead, arguably. However, there are similar universes where he did become a GL, with John Stewart staying a US Marine, as we've seen in places like the Crisis on Two Earths Elseworlds film. Heck, would even say thay Jason Todd did exist in the official DCAU, yet never found a way to encounter Batman and especially the bloody Joker in full, Stephanie "Spoiler" Brown may or not be a simple civvie with a nice life, "Hush" stayed innocent and unscarred, Tweedledum and Tweedledee died on childbirth, and so on. (And let's not forget that Guy Gardner appears to be a true blue criminal in this universe.) In short, JL vs. the Fatal Five is also staying an Elseworlds film as of August 2023.

[@dragonusmorphin4748]

I have noticed in the DCAU that some characters like wally west and Kyle Rayner have taken on the origins and appearances of their predecessors in comics ie. wally has Barry Allens past and Kyle seems to look and has the same backstory as Hal Jordan.

[@dcauwatchtower]

Yep! It’s a running theme! Same with Tim Drake getting Jason Todd’s origin, essentially.

[@CCaster2000]

My theory for Hal Jordan's absence in the DCAU/Timmverse is that he got his ring long before John & Kyle and just devoted his time to doing missions in space full-time thus leaving John (and Kyle) as earth's Green Lanterns. I would go by the interview stating that Hal sinoly didn't get the ring in the main timeline, but that animated movie confirmed that he IS a Green Lantern...

[@rorylumley4727]

I could easily see hal getting his ring between the return and once and future thing as 2814 deals with a lot so they could use an extra lantern. The guardians might also want hal to deal with star saphire.

[@Numbuh1NerdX]

Here’s my theory: Green Lantern TAS is a prequel to the entire DCAU. Nothing in their continuity really explains Hal’s origin, so Hal could’ve had a different origin in the DCAU while Kyle had his original. Hal stayed off-world doing stuff in the distant reaches of space, coming back to find out that the Guardians got a new Lantern to replace him in 2814 - Guy Gardner - with mentions of John Stewart getting a ring shortly after. Guy went off-world shortly after John joined the Corps, and Kyle joined up while John was in space. Now Jessica Cruz got her ring now that John /and/ Kyle are in space!

[@ShockwaveFPSStudios]

Then seeing how Hal Jordan is a Green Lantern in the DCAU then I like to see a will it canon episode on the Green Lantern animated series

[@dcauwatchtower]

It’s on the list!

[@falleneldor]

Anyone remember that GL:TAS fansite from the late 90's or early 00's? They had bios with great art and episode descriptions for the show as if it was real. It was designed in the style of the old Kid's WB Batman/Superman website.

[@charleschamp9826]

Nice Green Lantern figure on the wall to your left.

[@TheCrossSoldier]

Making Hal Jordan a Green Lantern into the DCAU was perhaps one of the biggest glossed over curve balls that Bruce Timm and co. ever brought us. I think I have a head canon that can explain this. In this universe in the early 1990s (1992 or 1993 though it could be earlier), Hal Jordan was a test pilot until some incident brought him into space, and he became a Green Lantern off planet. He is found by Sinestro (who has descended into villainy at this point but hasn't made his break from the GLC just yet) who trains him how to use his ring. Sinestro plans on manipulating Hal into serving his purposes. However, Hal catches on to Sinestro's plans and is able to warn the GLC of what Sinestro is doing. Angered that his plans have been ruined, Sinestro battles with Hal Jordan and knocks him into a spaceship and messes with the ship's light-speed function. Sinestro activates the ship and sends Hal Jordan to a completely random location if he ever gets there due to the ship's damaged condition. Sinestro's plan is hoping that in its state, Hal Jordan will die due to lack of food, water, and other necessary life functions like oxygen supply that have been compromised on the ship, and his ring having to run out of power eventually. Hal Jordan does manage to get the ship out of light-speed. However, due to time dilation (or something like that), he is thrown years into the future. If you want a specific number, it is perhaps a decade or so give or take a few years. During that time, he was considered missing and presumed dead. His name on the jet you see in the episode "In Brightest Day" was a memorial to him. By the time he comes back, it is sometime during JLU "The Return" and "Batman and Harley Quinn" where his found and recruited into the Justice League. Wow! That explanation turned out longer than I thought it would. Now I have some questions for you though. 1. What do you think of this head canon I made for DCAU Hal Jordan? Do you think the explanation for his absence that I provided was good? 2. Now that I covered Hal Jordan, I want to cover Guy Gardner. I know I mentioned this before, but we have seen Guy Gardner in the DCAU before in an actual episode and not in a tie-in comic. In the STAS episode, "In Brightest Day" Guy Gardner (or at least someone who looks very much like him) makes a cameo in the episode. He is the person who steals Jimmy's camera, but Kyle Rayner stops him. Here is a link that has a screenshot of Guy Gardner. You just have to scroll down a bit: outsidethepanels.blogspot.com/2018/06/superman-tas-in-brightest-day.html My head canon for DCAU Guy Gardner, is that after the events of that episode, he straightened his life out, and he later became a Green Lantern. I would put his recruitment into the the Green Lantern Corp sometime after the events of "The Return" since after the episode the Guardian thought it would be a better idea to recruit more people to bolster their ranks, and one of the rings was sent to earth since that planet is teeming with super heroes. Another one was sent a few years later and that was when Jessica Cruz became a Green Lantern. Do you think that's a good explanation?

[@JAC3DG33K]

I see a possible upcoming crossover movie where an accident happens that sends Hal Jordan and Sinestro into the future year of 2350 AD right after he gets his ring. When they arrive they arrive they find themselves in the middle of a war on Mars, where a new group of aliens have taken over the planet years earlier and driven the white and green martians into hiding. Hal is then recruited by the Lanterns of the time while Sinestro continues to scheme in the background for a few years more than likely making deals with the new Martian leaders for resources. Sinestro then returns with a surprise assault on the Lanterns and nearly takes them out until Hal's temporary replacement takes him down. However the energy generated in this battle awakens an ancient evil that travels out into Hal's ring. Zero Hour in the 24th century with some additional time traveling shenanigans. They could even have his temp turn into Parrallax as well.

[@Sephern]

Hal isn't around because he's already the vessel for Parallax and thought to be dead. That's why Martian Manhunter doesn't ask for him in John Stewart's place because he's supposedly dead. I'd then assume there's some other time travel shenanigans that had him team up with the JL at some point that we don't see. His origin can be that Abin Sur was taken out of commission and the ring sought out Hal as a temporary lantern. He was such a good GL that he was made a full officer by the guardians after fighting Parallax. Yadda yadda yadda, about a decade goes by, and Parallax was hiding inside Hal the whole time. He becomes Parallax, and the corps (including John Stewart) deal with it. John is now the only GL from Earth, Abin Sur is the second lantern in the sector (until his death where his ring goes to Kyle Raynor), and the league forms while Hal Jordan is (at least seemingly enough so we could bring him back later) dead.

[@rorylumley4727]

Hal jordon was green lantern a while back and became paralax after a trip into the central battery. Though it's like the orginal emerald twlight plan and he's a hero on earth un affilated with the green lantern corps.

[@rorylumley4727]

I could see hal getting the ring instead of kyle in the once and future thing. That way he could have taken john's place on the mission and not affected john's timeline too much.

[@Anti-HyperLink]

In theory, we all exist in the DCAU, and so I like that Dick Grayson quit as Robin the month and year I was born. And because I'm a total dork and maybe a little crazy, my headcanon is that any version of my from a fictional universe I like is also the thing that makes it different. Like being a hero, powers or not, in Marvel or DC things, and then like a wizard in Harry Potter, Pokémon trainer, digidestined, SPIDER RIDER, etc. Calling all spider riders! I don't think I've seen an actual episode of that show.

[@JacobyJ56]

Since Kyle got Hal's origin in my head Canon Hal got Kyle's origin. Hal Jordan gets a ring after Kyle Rayner goes crazy and tries to destroy the Green lanterns. This is just my head cannon and what I think happened

[@JacobyJ56]

@@mattiesavannahpahl9934 considering the dcau does give Happier Endings to some of its darker stories such as Bane not breaking Batman's back and doomsday not beating Superman to death the same would go for this story. Hal Jordan discovers Parallax gets rid of it and the Green Lanterns and Kyle Rayner are saved.

[@CZPC]

Rewatching this and Hal Jordan fixes the Warhawk plothole? Kinda funny lol.

[@dcauwatchtower]

What Warhawk plothole?

[@PosthumanHeresy]

6:50 I have a theory of how Hal works. He's not from the mainline DCAU at all, he's from a DCAU that eventually is exterminated by The Blackest Night. There's another timeline immigrant Hal Jordan to give this evidence: the Hal Jordan in the official comics crossover with Star Trek. He too is not the mainline canon's Hal, but a Hal whose universe dies to the Blackest Night and is forced to flee to another timeline. In his case, he ends up in the Trek Reboot Timeline. So, DCAU!Hal could arrive to the DCAU in a short crossover event which gets him media coverage in the early 2000s. A decade later, his timeline is killed by the Blackest Night and he flees to the DCAU. The Guardians decide "yeah, he's legit" and he just becomes a member of their Corps and helps stop their own Blackest Night, which gets him the statue by Fatal Five. His own past is one where he was always a part of the DCAU, but his version, and he's living in a timeline now where he's newish here. "Up to speed" Hal from the timeline damage is him, and he was doing the same plot at the time and John showed up in his version at the same time. His crossing over is a result of the timeline getting damaged enough in his timeline that his future travels happened early for a little bit.

[@flyingpigproductions5934]

I figured it was Bruce Timm making an old project he worked on, Green Lantern: the Animated Series, fit as canon his "new" DCAU. That one got cancelled and he never got to finish it, plus he seems a lot more relaxed about canon now. This would explain Hal Jordan's appearance (who's origin wasn't touched on much in GL), Kilawog's new appearance, and might even help with how Sinestro has no real origin (such as the yellow ring) and GL makes many hints towards how that would happen. Plus GL introduced only Guy and Hal, the two missing, making reference to John being the new lantern of Sector 2814. No other heroes are referenced in GL, making this work pretty well as a prequel. That was my thought process

[@flyingpigproductions5934]

@@mattiesavannahpahl9934 Yeah, I do agree it's not exactly a perfect fit, but those were just thoughts I had while doing yard work 😂. Thanks for considering my theory though, you're my favorite Watchtower DataBro

[@Bob78550]

Haal Jordan was Parallax. He altered the timeline obviously as Parallax and possibly one of those alterations was him himself, seeing how he could have defeated by Green Arrow. The question then becomes was he? Just like in the regular comics. I've always gone with the assumption that he was and that Chronos just temporarily corrected the error. Kind of like how I assume Booster Gold built the vanishing point castle, but at the same time, Chronos could have built one just like it at the other end of time in the Legends of the DCU comic that you guys wrote. It's tough to say because we never see exactly what Chronos corrected. Have you already done a video on the Green Lantern cartoon movie First Flight? I would like to see it done in will it canon. Ive been waiting quite a while for this one.

[@dcauwatchtower]

Haven’t done that one yet, but it’s not impossible for the future!

[@Bob78550]

@@dcauwatchtower ok thanks

[@Emohawk707]

My head canon is that the Green Lantern Animated series is canon. Hal Jordan was the first Green Lantern of Earth (if Alan Scott wasn’t). Probably around the time of Batman The Animated Series. The GL animated series takes place primarily in deep space so I’m absolutely fine with this happening before Justice League. Then Guy Gardner was the second. He was left on Earth for a while as Hal was busy patrolling deep space and fighting the Yellow and Red Lanterns. Eventually he goes off to help Hal in space. Then something happens and that causes Abin Sur to return to his sector but is killed. He passes the ring on to Kyle Rayner. Kyle Rayner is called to Oa and John Stewart is chosen to be the next lantern of Earth... Then whatever happens with Jessica Cruiz I guess. (Full disclosure, I don’t care that much about the tiny details, that’s just the broad idea I have in my head) I guess you’d have to explain how Kilowog can be in DCAU shows and the GL animated series, but since the GL animated series ends on a cliff hanger, and we don’t know how it turned out, I assume that Kilowog made it back to his sector, but Guy and Hal stay out in deep space with Razor and they continue battling Yellow Lanterns or whatever... since we hardly see any of them in the DCAU