Half of PS4 Owners Haven't Upgraded To PS5 Yet, But Why?

As part of Sony's last financial report, we saw that they have a total of 118 monthly active users on PSN. And it turns out it's a fairly even split across PS4 and PS5. On it's own that seems pretty normal considering PS5 is entering the back half of its life, with more console sales on the way. But it does raise an interesting talking point. Will PS4 be able to handle its legacy years better than something like PS3? I think so. And that's why we do be talkin' it up in hur. Ya dig?
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#PS4 #PS5 #PlayStation

[@richardbertrand9939]

Still feel like we're living in the PS4 era.

[@grapesofhypocrisy9842]

How many PS5 exclusives did they really have, and how many were must have console sellers? Not enough. Xbox 360 had the best launch for titles; no one has ever had a better launch since... except for backwards compatible devices.

[@ItsjustBlackJackhere]

@@grapesofhypocrisy9842 while the 360 had a really good launch the ps3 killed it basically near the end

[@IISourAyyII]

We are, this is the. corniest generation of gaming I ever seen

[@grapesofhypocrisy9842]

@@ItsjustBlackJackhere Disagree... Xbox killed themselves at that point starting to ramp up the greed on the way to the tragic xbox 1 launch. They made all multiplayer games paid to play online monthly... which was not mentioned until they forced it on players(ruining launch titles like Shadowrun)... then a bunch of games were cancelled for online support and servers(online only games)... even though they were still selling the games in stores... ie. ChromeHounds etc

[@YoungMrBlue]

Because the PS5 era hasn’t done anything Xbox straight up didn’t even release a new console this gen

[@S3r3nityNow]

I’m still logging on PS3, so what.

[@yurithebrave]

Based

[@ayynoucer-dxd]

I still play Tekken 3/5 on PSP

[@WaleedZanbagi]

I'm playing fallout 3

[@TheDumontShow]

It's easy to see why. Sony doesn't make it an incentive for gamers to switch to PS4. First of all, the games for PS4 online are always on sale. Second, the price of PS5 games are expensive and they are riddled with micro transactions. Third, PS4 has a huge library that many haven't dipped into yet which brings to the fourth reason. It's cheaper to get a PS4 and play PS4 games. PS4 is a well built console. The only reason to get a PS5 is if your PS4 breaks down. That's it really

[@doxxu]

PS3 is better than PS4

[@kinorai]

Better question yet: why upgrade? Simply to have "4K Graphics"? Not good enough.

[@pieck5460]

I'll tell you why for load times imagine waiting 15 to 20 seconds everytime you want to fast travel or enter and exit a building. Ps4 load times are abysmal by comparison, all ps4 games run significantly better on ps5. Only reason people aren't even talking about this is because they haven't experienced how fast the console truly is first hand I can go from a dragon battle in Skyrim straight to a race in need for speed or to a match in Mortal Kombat almost instantly. Graphics and exclusives are the last things I cared about when upgrading

[@yancopec1565]

​@@pieck5460ok i'll spend 500$ to fast travel faster. 🤣

[@fruitminer5008]

​@@yancopec1565frfr. And does bro not realize a SSD is what gives the PS5 it's fast loading times.

[@xxNerv]

​@@fruitminer5008exactly 🤣 and you can put a 2.5 SSD in the PS4 it's not PS5 fast but easily double the speed of the hdd

[@fruitminer5008]

@@xxNerv Pieck5460 has been quiet since you dropped that comment🥶🥶

[@That2jguy]

My ps4 works fine,simple 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@josephmier7861]

Great collection and shout out too the indie companies still pushing

[@Shad_2k]

Your broke we get it

[@TheL1arL1ar]

@@Shad_2knah I own 3 vita’s and that being said I still like my ps4, but I already bought 2 gaming laptops and 2 steam decks this gen…ps5 is kinda ass bro.

[@SwiKeyMTC]

​@@TheL1arL1arAnd in all honesty if you already have a laptop/PC, it would just be a waste of $$$ since you will have better graphics and overall experience on a computer.

[@TheL1arL1ar]

@@SwiKeyMTC I have a more capable system but I choose to game on my steam deck OLED…even docked to a 4K tv….my laptop is a next room over but something about the versatility of low wattage gaming….now I get why all the youngsters like to be on their phones all the time…it’s the same feeling I get while gaming

[@Guzmania]

The fact that we are still calling PS4 current gen and PS5 next gen is the reason why PS4 is still so active.

[@frogfarmer3551]

Nobody does that tho

[@letsgobrandon1906]

@@frogfarmer3551most people do because most people still have ps4 and it’s only natural for them to say current gen because that’s what they have currently and all the ps5 games are also on ps4

[@frogfarmer3551]

@@letsgobrandon1906 maybe YOU have a PS4 and call it current gen... Seems more like cope

[@Platskull]

​@@frogfarmer3551 I have a PS5 and for me its next gen

[@dylanbarreto6529]

my reply to you is referring to all these other commenters in here, but I can’t help myself. I am on PlayStation five, but this man made a valid point on his comment which is lots of people refer to the PS4 as current GEN. Lots of people at least many people I know even though I suggest everybody upgrades to a five anyway.

[@DeshaunXD]

Here's the harsh reality. This economy is horrible and inflation is steep this time around. The essential needs have become extremely expensive. The gaming industry isn't immune to this and our purchasing power as a whole has declined. As much as we're all gamers and love to play, it's not a necessity when times are rough and you need a roof over your head, food to eat, and have bills to pay. People are cutting back on things they don't absolutely need because they have to. This on top of not hanging a more enticing exclusive line up and boom, no upgrade.

[@SuperDave30]

What You Said I still play and owned my PS4 Pro console due to financial reasons the same time this economy inflation will not leave no time soon until either they cut the price or they will stop making ps4 games that’s when start transitioning to the PlayStation 5 console.

[@angwysocnub4195]

This rlly should be the top comment bc this is the reality.

[@BoricuaBoy88]

This is why I went with Xbox this time around. Game Pass is a financial life saver for gamers.

[@th3_ne0__]

It’s as if working harder doesn’t actually leads to a better life anymore.

[@Drakaris-Og]

I just jailbreak my PS4, oh well....

[@goldenarm009]

I’m old enough to remember the exponential leap in graphics from Atari to Nintendo to super Nintendo to Sega to N64 to PlayStation to PlayStation two… When I got my PS five, I literally could not tell the difference in graphics to a PS4. That was, and is still so very very disappointing.

[@_Circus_Clapped_]

PS2 is still going strong, reliable at loading and playing games 20+ years later

[@omaranthony3703]

Your crazy I remember when I first loaded up assassins creed Valhalla I was blown away also guardians of the Galaxy and it takes two

[@mysiklp2509]

It definitely depends on the games your playing I’d say, not a lot have a ps5 version and if they do it’s usually just for the 60fps Not to mention barely any games are made exclusively for new gen even after so many years. I’m happy with the purchase but I can absolutely see why others would hold off

[@lwandomadikizela2213]

My take is, it's been 4 years since the PlayStation 5 was announced and the price hasn't decreased at all even with the Slim model and Slim models have always been cheaper than the O.G model by a lot since the PlayStation 1. Not every gamer can afford to get the PlayStation 5 now and some don't even need to get it since there are still good PlayStation 4 games that is coming. I still have my PS4 and I have no desire to get the PlayStation 5 because no ways I would pay R13500/$500 for a nearly 4 year old console that has never had a price decrease.

[@milanodeoliveira6021]

100% agreed lmao ps5 is like twice my rent

[@norvalthompson8957]

And if you were to buy that's when they'll drop the cheaper version.

[@shahnoorahmed1462]

Because the PS5 as of this moment just feels like an upgraded ps4 with like 7 extra games

[@ronweasley4767]

@@plopsanI would hope so

[@pieck5460]

Load times on ps4 are abysmal they don't even come close to the ps5, can't even imagine playing a game like skyrim on the ps4 where it takes 10 to 20 seconds if not more to fast travel or enter and exit buildings while on the ps5 it's like 2 to 3 seconds max and you can load into the world automatically by using the activity card to skip menus without pressing any extra buttons. Can go from a dragon battle straight into a race in need for speed or a fight in MK in mere seconds

[@gamzaify]

​@pieck5460 Load times are a non issue. We've been playing games like that since the 90s bro.'Faster' load times are just a gimmick. The truth is all the great games are still on ps4. 4yrs on not enough exclusives. The current gen sucks

[@fps_maniac7937]

And the best games that are well made kept the load screens to a minimum to ensure we as players stay immersed in the game, its mostly the shitty games that need to brute force their load times with the hardware so it isnt unplayable

[@kevin171994]

@@gamzaify as 30 year old gamer the fast load screens got me back into gaming again, i love my ps5 (:

[@beaztlydeath]

"Because....... I'm all out of MONEYYY" - Squidward circa 2008

[@denist.8058]

Poor squiddy still struggling cause the PS3 Launch day

[@garydiamondguitarist]

​@@denist.8058 Yeah we mocked the PS3 for how expensive it was on launch day, but it still offers better value than a PS4 or PS5. At this point in the PS3's life (3-4 years in) it was getting a Slim model and yet another price cut.

[@kingdeedee]

⁠@@garydiamondguitarist dog the PS3 absolutely deserved to be mocked for that crazy launch price. $500 USD in 2006 is fkin $800 today

[@garydiamondguitarist]

@@kingdeedee I'm not a dog, "bro". People mocked it but it came with a hard drive either 20GB or 60GB as standard, the CECHA model had WiFi as standard, both had Blu-ray disc players as standard at a time when a standalone player was more expensive than a PS3, plus full compatibility with every previous generation game from the discs you already owned. Basically all things the Xbox 360 didn't without buying upgrades and (or never got, like Blu-ray), it had from new. People might have disagreed with the price but this still offers more features compared to consoles today - the PS5 can't even play CDs, for example. PS3 was the last PlayStation to be able to do that. There's a reason the original PS3s are still worth a lot used today. Xbox 360 usually had the best cross platform titles though. I'd always use the 360 for stuff like that over the PS3.

[@kingdeedee]

@@garydiamondguitarist “dog” isn’t meant to be offensive but no problem if you don’t like it bro Regardless, the PS3 launch was a mess and acting like it was such a great value compared to the PS5 based on a bunch of deprecated features no one cares about anymore is ridiculous. You might as well also bring up the PS3’s CF and memory stick slots while you’re at it seeing as the PS5 also doesn’t have those. There are LOADS of cheap CD players out there if you want one so bad. The blu ray thing is sort of valid, based on the hype around blu ray at the time but that was already the PS2’s biggest party trick and that launched for $299 USD ($544 today). Plus the PS3’s weird cell architecture is one of the biggest reasons PS5 backward compatibility is so up and down in the first place. It severely handicapped the PS3’s market performance back then and it’s still handicapping the PS4 and 5 today. I’m with you on the 360 though, it was definitely the better all around place to play most games, again partly thanks to some games being unavailable/delayed/worse on PS3 due to the cell chip, but also since the 360 laid the groundwork for a modern social gaming network.

[@michaelso5593]

There’s no games on the ps5, why upgrade?

[@CarlosXPhone]

Did ...you know... you can play PS4 games? Hmm?? Yeah, it works. Some even work better than the base PS4 game. For example, Final Fantasy VII Remake has an upgrade path from PS4 to PS5. I was surprised at how well it worked.

[@atwaltimatenexus243]

Agreed there ain't new games

[@JohnKobaRuddy]

So by a expensive console to play the last consoles games? ​Are you seriously this dedicated to gobshiting to finally have a fellow ps5 player to play with?​@@CarlosXPhone

[@CarlosXPhone]

@@JohnKobaRuddy OK, if you don't care or don't care to understand, then, go somewhere else. I think PS5 is not perfect, but I think as a whole, its a test bed for PS6. I don't think people understand the full picture. PS5 is powerful, but everyone is missing the little stuff. The Backwards Compatible thing in PS5 is the "innovation." The innovation isn't apparent, but the innovation is there. They need to perfect the heating stuff, they did it. They need to perfect the Ray Tracing. They kind-of did, the PS5 pro is gonna be Sony's "ah ha" moment. But again misunderstand me, I really don't care. I like smart people. You're not. I say again; PS5 is a powerful system, but we are still in the cross-gen period. Even Black Ops 6 is on PS4. But, PS4 won't run well, its why my brother and I went like, "yeah, its time. We need to upgrade." I played the MWIII beta on PS4, we saw the texture issues from the get-go.

[@richavery7491]

A lot of younger kids attribute to PS4 both my sons 10 & 6 both have PS4 and it’s a good console

[@lucymorrison]

because it's $800 and games are $120 in Australia, the PS4 was $550 and games were $80

[@oni2662]

inflation

[@lucymorrison]

@@oni2662 inflation is nowhere near THAT BAD

[@trancepower1205]

Not if you go to cex in Australia? 🤔

[@My_Old_YT_Account]

Soy pfp

[@Jo-wr1dz]

Goddamn

[@ShamirQushairi]

PS4 slim owner here: The price still hasn't gone down yet despite the slim revision. We typically see a price reduction after several years + free game bundles but 4 years in, the price only seems to creep up. 😠

[@unicorntomboy9736]

You don't need to specify the slim bit

[@ShamirQushairi]

@unicorntomboy9736 I kinda do since I'll usually wait for the slim revision before upgrading. I should have mentioned it in my comments earlier.

[@unicorntomboy9736]

@@ShamirQushairi Who cares, it's not necessary

[@3lle272]

​@@ShamirQushairi As a Ps4 Slim owner I agree. It's generally cheaper than the base model making it the better option to buy. But with the Ps5 its the total opposite. What the point of calling it a slim if it's still the priced the same or more expensive than the base model? Pathetic

[@Henkibojj]

​@@unicorntomboy9736It adds context though. The fact that he has a PS4 slim indicates he waited out the OG PS4 to instead buy a slim PS4 which was cheaper. He hasn't gotten a PS5 phat and likely waited for a size and price reduction for the next slim cycle, which didn't happen. Don't criticize without thinking an extra round first. And even then, criticism is rarely necessary, so there's that too.

[@tones2135]

My PS4 still going strong since 2013 💪🏼

[@ballinn0430]

How loud is it?

[@tones2135]

@ballinn0430 I've never had that problem with the console....only a few games that would cause the fan to go into overdive....mw 2019 was one of them I remember but it's usually pretty quiet

[@LoverofTruth1]

Mine too. The PS4 is a great system and my backlog should keep me occupied still for awhile.

[@tones2135]

@LoverofTruth1 I agree 👍🏻 my ps4 still has a lot of life left in it which is why I haven't felt the need to upgrade to a ps5, plus the ps5 is still very expensive even today, I also have over 200 playstation plus games in my library that I still haven't played yet lol

[@ecafracs10]

My Original PS4 is still going strong since 2015!!!

[@shib5267]

Im gonna save you 10 minutes: it's because it's expensive and has no games

[@Mathiks46]

Enough said🎉

[@brandoncrutchfield2258]

The PS3 was such a magical era of gaming for me. At that point in time in 2011 the only consoles I’ve had that were actually mine was the DS lite and the Wii (also had the original DS), I feel like my world has been truly opened up. Me and my sister got an original Xbox for Christmas one year, of course I mainly played it but she played The Sims a lot on it too. I remember going home in the car when I got my PS3, it came with Medal of Honor and Uncharted 2 Among Thieves. Which was my first PlayStation first party game I had played. Still to this day the PS3 is so impressive to me because of its catalogue of games, but also I had pictures and music on it as well. Three GTA games, quite a few Transformer games, and who could forget PlayStation Home? I love the PS4 and PS5, but PS3 has the aura to it. It’s not just nostalgia, it’s just an amazing product. I’d love to get another one again one day and play some stuff before the servers go down.

[@BenderOfStrings]

Part of the problem is we are nearly 4 years into this generation and the price of these current gen consoles just arent dropping. Im willing to bet that a large chunk of players still on PS4 were late adopters when the PS4 was discounted, and they are waiting for the same thing to happen with PS5. You cannot expect mass adoption when your console is still sitting at 450-500.00.

[@NewjerseyFan]

PS5 price is higher in other countries PS5 for $450 canadian would be a dream. but that will never happen. and also i got my PS4 in 2015 in janurary so alittle over a year on release. not to sould like a shill but. Sony doesn't need to drop price because they are doing so well with PS5 they are first place. they nave no competition. so they are happy with the way things are. also PS4 never gt a drop sadly. and PS5 only got a raise because of inflation due to pandemic. but yet the cost of parts went down and stuff still went up.. damned if you do damned if ya don't.

[@BenderOfStrings]

@NewjerseyFan oh for sure! I understand where you're coming from. I just meant that in comparison to previous generations, it's strange that we haven't seen any significant price drops after nearly 4 years on the market. Surely they'll drop the price when the Pro comes out.

[@legospacememe8468]

i got my ps4 after the ps5 launched lol

[@BoricuaBoy88]

I'm technically part of this scenario. I had a launch PS4, but upgraded to the Pro. Waiting for the PS5 Pro.

[@ysahli]

$500 in Wetsern countries, in 3rd world it is around 700-800ish….Who has thta money in a 3rd world country, whereas many in 3rd world own ps4 actually

[@sirlaughalot0785]

Exclusives. If there’s not enough exclusive games to play on the console, there’s no need to buy it, no matter how good the fps and visuals look. It’s not rocket science.

[@MikeTheGreek]

Exactly. If you look up how many exclusives there are that AREN'T a sequel,prequel, spinoff, remaster or remake to an existing franchise you'll see 5 maybe 6 with Stellar Blade

[@DrSaif249]

I don't entirely agree...I didn't play many PS4 games just so that I could play them on better graphics/fps another big motivation was the SSD which gives really short loading times. Which might not be very important for everyone, but makes me very frustrated

[@A2theC]

There just haven't been many great games in a very long time, I've resorted to busting out my PS3 so I can play ALL the back catalog without repurchasing every little thing in ephemeral digital form simply because they refuse to make the shit load physical media due to their failed anti-piracy measures, that said PS4/5 have been exploited for homebrew already. Why play a 'remaster' when the original was a masterpiece? 'omg graffix lek wow' ...no thanks, I'll keep my $60 to buy 10 more discs I missed out on as a kid.

[@TheKing8608_]

Thing is all the upcoming games are not coming to last gen, Wolverine, naughty dogs new game, mafia 4, gta 6, Max Payne remake etc…. So yeah people are gonna be complaining here soon because there’s no heavy hitters coming to PS4

[@iluvmusicqwe]

This is why the idea of day and date pc for all playstation games is so dangerous

[@fullehmosa6251]

Why does everyone have to upgrade to PS5 if the new releases are going to PS4 it’s not the console everyone’s after it’s the games remember that

[@chelsthegameruiner8669]

Literally this, my most played game, Final Fantasy XIV, is getting Dawntrail on the PS4 and it'll likely be the final expansion released on PS4. Once Dawntrail ends, then I'll upgrade. Until then, I just see no point since only two games really interest me on PS5 which is Remnant 2 and Helldivers 2. Everything else has been meh to me

[@victorvargas9330]

Let's not forget that it was Sony that raised the price of the PS5 and then "reduced" the price of the console only slightly below the msrp and calling it a major Holiday sale.

[@megabassxz]

They should've made the PS5 backwards compatible with PS1 to PS4 and also with digital PSP, PS Vita games. That alone would have made everyone move and ditch the old consoles.

[@AzaiaMonota]

PS1 and PS2 have no excuse for not being backwards compatible I get PS3 due to how demanding emulating it is but at the very least I should be able to put a PS3 disc in and then have the game stream to me for free instead of having to purchase PS+ Premium

[@appleleptiker]

@@AzaiaMonota It isn't though. My PC can run PS3 games... even my 6 year old laptop can. Sony just doesn't want to add compatibility so that you pay them for PS+ Premium.

[@vegascousin]

To be realistic tho, no one would ditch their consoles just for that, it’ll be more useful as a collectible item

[@x-ray_channel2226]

​@@appleleptiker Yeah, cause... You know, sony definitely gonna earn way more money with selling ps plus for ps3 games, and not making individual sale from each game they can sell

[@x-ray_channel2226]

​@@appleleptikeralso boosting ps plus sales is not the reason. The real reason is nobody cares about ps3 games. Old and outdated they are, and making risky decision to create emulator for ps3 games that possibly wouldn't be profitable in the long term is a bad business. Percentage of people who want backwards compatibility is very low, compared to basic players

[@mikef8846]

They never did a good Black Friday deal. I got my 1TB Slim PS4 on Black Friday for $199 with a bonus $50 gift card. Sony being too greedy. Consoles are supposed to be sold at a loss, to increase the install base to sell the games. That's the business model.

[@KJ.420]

The fun part is that PS4 wasn't even being sold at a loss. It was sold at a loss back in 2013ish for 6 months and then Sony would make profit on each console sold.

[@SalivatingSteve]

Yep Sony is making a profit on the PS5 hardware. I remember the PS4 slim 500gb w/ Spider-Man for $299 sold gangbusters

[@H8RSAPPRECIATE]

I forgot about that people have stopped going to black Fridays because of inflation. No joke they would lie and put the same price pretending it was at a lower price or it wouldn't be super low compared to previous black Friday deals

[@wilfredynunez5263]

It doesn't have to be the model, that's just the way Sony and Microsoft play it. Nintendo never loses money on the Console, even if it's a failure like the Wii U or Gamecube.

[@CyrusIsnt]

Dude if you make a product charge whatever you want

[@okeogheneefeludu4523]

The ps5 base model is $800 for new consoles here in Nigeria and the ps4 pro is $300 for a used version. With the current economic issues going on around the world and in my country it would take a long time before people could afford the ps5 unless they're some serious price cuts.

[@Mundwasser]

"What's the real reason people haven't switched to ps5?" "Money!"

[@markgeers8488]

Wanted a PS5 when it came out, couldn't get it for like 2 years due to shortages, realised during that time the PS4 still served me well and most games still get released on it, so didn't bother throwing down 500+ bucks after that

[@blastechee-3546]

Same after realizing I cannot get one, did not need one.

[@shmookins]

Like with the PS4, I was going to wait about 18 months before jumping in to the new gen cycle. But then I saw all those 'fast loading' videos and thought that alone was worth the jump. What I didn't realize is for fast loading to work, a game had to be made with that in mind and be a PS5 version. My PS4 games loaded the same on PS5. They maybe a little faster, but 10 seconds or something off a minute loading isn't that noticeable, really. The only big difference I noticed between the two systems is the UI is fast and I could multitask (like edit a video and upload it while I was still in a game session.

[@CoS-ci5gd]

You say that but you literally can't play a large chunk of the goty nominees from last year You ain't playing Baldur's Gate III on no PS4 You ain't playing no Alan Wake II on no PS4 You ain't playing no Spider-Man 2 on no PS4 And from this year ALONE: You ain't playing no Helldivers II on no PS4 You ain't playing no Final Fantasy VII Rebirth on no PS4 You ain't playing no Stellar Blade on no PS4 You ain't playing no Rise of the Ronin on no PS4 I can go on and on: No Ratchet and Clank A Rift Apart, No Demon's Souls, No Final Fantasy XVI, I can go on forever, but I don't want this comment to become a novel lol You only got 3 goty crossgen titles early on and you're like "aw man I can play PS4 forever!" LOL! And whatever is still coming to PS4, you are still stuck at 30fps...

[@Walamonga1313]

@@CoS-ci5gd Only Rebirth, Ronin and Stellar are good enough to warrant a PS5 tho

[@therussianlad6501]

How tf do u still play on 30fps though lol You’d say that it’s not a big deal for you but the moment you try playing with higher fps you won’t be able to come back, I understand why pc players usually laugh at console users.

[@dradvyrk6162]

Still playing on PS3, PS4, PS4 Pro

[@maxg9165]

Nice, alyways happy to hear that im not the only one 👌

[@leonlegend]

Still playing on PS2 & PS1.

[@hpickettz34]

Poor.

[@leonlegend]

@@hpickettz34 owning 3 consoles is poor?

[@maxg9165]

@@hpickettz34 na just smart

[@TopFix]

What people don't seem to account for is the fact that while it may have a similar install base to the PS4 of a similar time period, by the same time through a cycle the PS4's price had decreased. Whereas the PS5's has not decreased by much if at all. That will definitely play a huge part in what will happen from here. Not to mention that a lot of people felt like Sony would continue their trend of releasing high quality games like they did during the PS4 era but have been burned by the lack of effort so they're more hesitant to jump ship on something that just frankly isn't worth the price.

[@ChaseVase7]

Console prices are two much expensive thats why most of the players can't afford it

[@worriorjack]

What’s the hold up? This economy, brother.

[@unstanic]

Man I’m stuck with an old laptop, pair of headphones, phone and a gaming pc. I don’t see me upgrading them ever. Till they die lol

[@duff0120]

because the console is still expensive, it hasn't dropped 1 dollar in price, It has increased with 250 dollars here in Norway, from 499 bucks in 2020, and now its 750 bucks for a ps5.

[@robertlawrence9000]

Is that USD? In the USA we are taxed at point of sale so we pay more than $500 for it too. You have VAT which the manufacturer pays and in order to pass the cost to you they raise the price including having to ship it to you.

[@Henkibojj]

Swede here, so I suffer from high electronics prices like you do. I happen to visit Germany quite often and a couple of months ago, the PS5 slim disc version was €460 over there which was 5300 SEK back then. Not super cheap, but a lot less than the 7000+ I usually see in Sweden. Maybe you'll get lucky some day in the future. It was a bulky hassle getting through airport security though, but they didn't stop me in any way 😁

[@Henkibojj]

@@robertlawrence9000 Sorry to barge in on your conversation, but I thought VAT was always added on top of whatever sales price the stores show, which is why you guys hate taxes. In Europe, all prices are always VAT et cetera included so we aren't surprised at the point of payment. I calculated it with the February exchange rate and I got my PS5 slim for $495 USD, €460 or 5285 SEK. As of today, in Sweden you can buy it for SEK 6850, give or take, which is $645 in today's dollar.

[@robertlawrence9000]

@@Henkibojj That's a reasonable price to me compared to the US. It's about that amount before sales tax. We don't have VAT. We only have sales tax. Depending on where someone lives in the US it varies on the amount. So when the PS5 shows the price of $500, that is before sales tax. At the checkout point or at the cash register, they will add the tax. So final price can be $550 plus or minus depending on the state you live in. I've seen anywhere between 6% sales tax all the way to around 16% sales tax.

[@Henkibojj]

@@robertlawrence9000 Thanks for your explanation. Always interesting to learn more. To clarify, that $495 was a one-week only offer, and it's a lot more today ($645 or so).

[@pepsienjoyer17]

⚠️ Personal opinions incoming ⚠️ Sorry, these new consoles are not next gen in any way at all… for example, we’re still paying for online play, Xbox controllers need new batteries, new consoles claim to be “8k” but I’ve yet to see it with any game, they’re still making games for ps4 / Xbox one, despite being several years in this gen.. in short, buying this gen’s consoles is a big money grab and a waste of money to begin with.. I’ve fallen victim to buying the ps5… it’s been sitting there beside my ps4 pro, and I haven’t played it in like, 2 years… both consoles are literally the same exact thing..

[@mitchellbambam5926]

The PS5 is $600.00 in my country and I already have a PS4. As someone who buys one game per year on average, why would I spend that much and then even more on the unique experiences that console offers?

[@TJaeSpeaks]

No need to upgrade when the vast majority of games are available on PS4. GOW Ragnarok. Horizon Forbidden West. The latest CODs and Fifas. Hogwarts Legacy etc

[@MrEffectfilms]

But Returnal, Demons Souls, and Spiderman 2 were all on PS5 only

[@unicorntomboy9736]

@@MrEffectfilms Don't forget Final Fantasy 16 and Astros Playroom too

[@MrEffectfilms]

@@unicorntomboy9736 Yup and FF7 Rebirth too, all of which were great.

[@BokiJuda]

Those are like 6 games that other comments have listed, and if OP is fine with loading screens - there is literally no need to upgrade.

[@SportyNico11]

And Helldivers 2. 😅

[@capn.c5321]

I rotate between PS3, PS4 & PS5. Every now and again, I play PS1 & PS2 as well.

[@Thryne]

Same here! I still buy games that peek my interest that I never had the chance to play or own on PsOne, PS2, PS3 & PS4

[@pepsidude8919]

Me too!

[@datruth1294]

Same

[@icarus387]

I do the same with my ps3,ps4, and ps5.

[@pepsidude8919]

@@icarus387 Same here too.

[@eliteghost1001]

The reason why other people don't have a PS5 is because due to the scalpers and people buying more then they need which is causing them to be sold out and others not being able to buy one.

[@pauljakeman]

I think it’s one of the many reasons is because there isn’t a big enough leap in difference from one generation to the next this time around for the average person. And then when everything’s more expensive, you tend to cut off things that aren’t necessarily needed. Who wants to fork out on a new piece of hardware and then again on games that aren’t that different to what they already have on ps4.

[@D4NAFC]

2024: Still charging people to play online.

[@baeber]

fr

[@secondchance6603]

Criminal if you ask me.

[@pepsienjoyer17]

It’s just a few dollars… 😂

[@D4NAFC]

@@pepsienjoyer17 That's not the point.

[@ManomiiFox]

that's why u go PC gaming. multiplayers free. entry fee is higher than console (if paying for good hardware) but life-cycle is as long as you like since all games are compatible as long as your hardware can play it.

[@facelessshadow92]

I love my PS4. Not gonna upgrade until my PS4 kicks the bucket

[@sa-cb1pi]

Hopefully never does 😂

[@aetherland1883]

lol the only one kicking the bucket is the PS5

[@Milkovichultear97]

@@aetherland1883 seriously, cannot even swap the internal ssd on ps5 like the ps4 does with hard drive.

[@Ssebyt12]

Then get a new sh one 🤣

[@legospacememe8468]

@@aetherland1883 i wouldn't be surprised if the ps5's swan song will also be on ps4 lol

[@ThaFeelingOfEcstasy]

At this point I think PS4 players should just wait for the PS5 pro or PS6 if they’re planning on upgrading

[@NR20244]

PS4 had this feeling I experienced that the PS5 doesn’t. I also experienced it with the PS3. To be honest I don’t know how to explain it and what I mean by “experience”

[@NormalishGuy]

PS3 backlog is huge for me, as a kid yeah knocked them out nonestop, as an adult life hits and weekends are sorta my free time so yep…. Still enjoying PS3 and PS4 titles.

[@riselikethephoenix1]

Same

[@keandbrown9195]

Same here... PS3 is still going strong with plenty of games

[@thomaspantrias9635]

Nice my backlog is around 100 games in PS3 and PS4/PS5(mostly games that have two versions) and I totally agree my PS5 is mostly a quieter system but I have to say transitioning from a PS4 slim to PS5 was an improvement on certain aspects. Right now I'm playing on a PS3 super slim which I got from my cousin for my birthday last February and I'm mostly playing on that rather than the PS5. My yearly Warp up will be fucked because the don't show the PS3 time in it 😅

[@dapperfan44]

As an adult, getting a PS5 is worth it for the faster loading alone. You will save a lot more time, especially if you're playing a game where long loading is a punishment for failure (e.g. having to restart a level when going for a perfect run on Crash Bandicoot 4)

[@AceFondu]

I have a PS5 and play it, but I'm currently collecting for PS3 so I play that more now lol.

[@TigerTT]

Well clearly next-gen just isn't next-gen enough for most people lmao.

[@garydiamondguitarist]

It's not next gen though is it, we're 3 nearly 4 years in so it's current gen. More accurate to say that last gen is enough for most people.

[@Brandon-bc5um]

if you have ps4 pro then I dont blame you but I only had a base ps4 so the upgrade was amazing for me

[@JosephHandibode]

because of ps4. people

[@garylococo2401]

It's because there isn't any games it's not worth it when most of the games r still on ps4 and Xbox one

[@GodOfFux]

Once GTA6 comes out exclusive to current gen, people will want to buy a newer console.

[@mr.longjohn0014]

bingo

[@movo786]

Nope

[@AfterLyfe_Demon]

There are no games worth it to switch

[@leighbennett1961]

Sony's approach to PS3 backwards compatability is why so many PS3's are still logged on and active.

[@legospacememe8468]

with a ps3 and ps4 all home console generations of PlayStation are available to me

[@spark556]

Too many games to play still on PS4

[@evan1499]

As someone who has recently upgraded to the ps5 from the ps4, personally if you’re in the boat of people who want to play College Football 25, it’s gonna be worth it to upgrade. Also for what it’s worth games like Ghost of Tsushima, & Rdr2 play so smoothly and they’re incredibly responsive. The setup can be a little aggravating if you are transferring multiple ps4 games over to your ps5, but all in all I’m glad I upgraded. Maybe wait for the next bundle to come out and try to get a good deal on one!

[@lovejotbhullar3284]

No new games by first party studios and also the price (lowkey i'm cheap) is preventing me from buying one. I'm content with a PS4 for the time being (unless when GTA6 comes out)

[@RekathonPrime]

I think people overlook the fact that there haven't been a price drop on neither one of these systems. The Playstation 5 the Xbox Series X are both still $500. The Xbox One and PS4 seen a price drop by this time, even before the pro models came out. The lack of a price drop, along with a vast majority of the games being on both current and last gen is definitely some of the main reasons.

[@KoolKeithProductions]

Price isn't really the issue for me. I (stupidly) paid 400 bucks for a BASE PS4 back in early 2020, but l did it because the world was shutting down and l didn't know if I'd even still be alive when the PS5 came out lol So the reason l haven't upgraded is games. What must play PS5 exclusives are there? None that I've seen. Holla at me when GTA6 drops....

[@nongmaithemavinash3977]

Price drop? We got a price increase here😂

[@RekathonPrime]

@@nongmaithemavinash3977 🤣🤣

[@garydiamondguitarist]

Price drop on new, neither Sony nor Microsoft have done yet. However on the used market the prices have gone down lots this year, probably partly because it's such a barren year for releases and no one is excited about it.

[@tonymack2007]

Maybe its the fact the base ps4, is priced around 330$ and the ps5 all digital is 400$.

[@DJFIRESTONE92]

Because the ps5 is the ps4 pro pro. How many actually exclusive games came out? If someone isnt interested in the better performance then there really isnt a super compelling reason to upgrade.

[@FaizCaliph]

This won’t age well

[@ganymedehedgehog371]

@@FaizCaliphit’s true though. There’s no real compelling reason to get a ps5.

[@FaizCaliph]

@@ganymedehedgehog371 again, this won’t age well.

[@arnabmukherjee4435]

​@@FaizCaliph What won't age well? If performance really mattered that much to ps4 users they would have gone for a PC lol. The games run fine and there is no real reason to go the ps5. Unless until you wanna play elden ring, which ig is ps5 only.

[@MrLeerolljankins]

@@arnabmukherjee4435ninja elden ring is multi platform the hell you actually talking about?

[@Ouroboross-]

I felt scammed buying a PS5. I waited until this year cause it was so difficult to get one. But during that time I moved to PC. Got the PS5 and realized there’s no games. Only ones that I really cared about are GT7 Spiderman 2 and GOW Ragnarok. Everything else I could get on gamepass or steam. Spending 500$ for 3 games doesn’t sit right with me. I’m probably gonna sell it. This gen of consoles is awful.

[@unveiledwithouttears1370]

I would jailbreak it, then sell it for triple the price.

[@traydizzil95]

I have an answer to this question because 500+ dollars is expensive for a game system I have a PS5 slim, but I am fortunate that one did not have to pay for but most people do

[@kycerap204]

My PS4 Slim (2019 version) still quiet and runs well whatever intensive game I’m playing.

[@VenomKeenerYT]

My 2016 version 😂😂 Boeing ✈️. Shits Loud AF… For some one that cleans it every week (I have no pets I just choose to clean it) it still loud after I repast the thermal, squeaky Clean Fan an heat sink yet loud still oh and clean the power supply for save measure yet still loud😅 What ever I do clean or not little guy loud like Boeing ✈️

[@e46m54nissansr20937]

My regular PS4 sounds like a jet getting ready for takeoff but still runs well

[@LAGator-qu7tc]

​@@VenomKeenerYT you smoke ?

[@VenomKeenerYT]

@@LAGator-qu7tc No, Shits Bad For Health Overall those that do don’t care two flying shits about their lungs and health. Same as drinking bad for liver and kidneys also ruins relationships..

[@lane-_-mass5006]

​I have a slim also and damn thing starts taking off well used to i took the shell off drilled holes for some fans now its way quiet idk if its the thermal paste or it all crammed together​@@VenomKeenerYT

[@Noa15Lv]

Cause that PS4 still runs games fine.

[@victory7763]

At 30fps...

[@somethingthatisntcringe757]

@@victory7763Some people don’t care about high framerates, they just want to play video games.

[@Noa15Lv]

@@victory7763 Still playable though for 11 year old console who still gets some support with new games and can be bought under 100 euros IF you're lucky enough.

[@pocketreviewgaming]

Cod runs awful

[@chlamygamine2190]

​@@victory7763 this "argument" is a funny cope. Funny PS4 runs just fine as a matter of fact PS3 runs just fine. And there's games fun games. Yeah PS5 may be superior with frame rates and graphics but how far is that going to get you without engaging fun games?????

[@crispcoffee7958]

My white ps4 turns 10 in November. No plans on getting PS5

[@Terminal_Apotos]

I’m still using my PS4 Pro, the only New release I’m interested in is Shadow Generations and that’s gonna run on my PS4. PS5 doesn’t have enough games for me to want it, my next games Machine is gonna be a PC just so I can mod Older Games while I wait for new ones.

[@NeptuneTheDothacker]

Having depression, anxiety and/or mental health issues. Thus mainting a stable job tends to be mentally taxing and because of such instances, buying luxury items like a PS5 is not in the realm of priorities when bills/other responsiblies also have to be maintained. And because of that, we are stuck on PS4. Not everyone is in this type of situation or is better of and kudos to them. Happy that they are able to maintain themselves like that. Or it's another reason entirely. I'm sure there are other people in this situation and I genuinely hope it all gets better. Time will tell.

[@JohnKobaRuddy]

Sit down

[@jeanoltt]

Really sorry, I hope you can get through this. Having a new console is definitely not a priority, mental health is.

[@IuriFiedoruk]

I am still on PS4. Why? Almost no games that are current-gen that I want to play, but more important, this generation consoles are too.much expensive.

[@carljordan5429]

How is 450 for a console expensive now adays. People spend more on tvs,earbuds,sound systems,etc . People had 4 years to save up yet still say its to expensive like ps4 when it launched was 400

[@TheNamesBondJamesBondJames]

​@@carljordan5429 if the ps5 was on special for $300 you would not hesitate to buy it. $400 is actually very cheap, well from my point of view lol, in Australia the ps5 is from $680 to $800. If Australia was selling it for $400 everyone who can afford it would be buying one lol. What country are you from & what's the exchange rate? Cause $400 for a ps5 is too good to be true. So you're either lying or it's a scam

[@squirtle88]

@@TheNamesBondJamesBondJames The discless model is $450 in the states, which is a terrible deal considering you can get used PS5 games for $10-20

[@Immortalbear91]

It's really not expensive at all. What? $500 I spend that on micro transactions every month

[@Brandon-bc5um]

broke boi

[@Football-knowledge1]

I’m broke and straight up waiting for ghost of Tsushima 2 that’s it.

[@stanleylee3329]

The PS5 wasn’t even widely available until late 2022, and when it was there weren’t really any PS5 exclusive games. Most games that came out were also on PS4-but most importantly the upgrade is simply quality of life. Games look a little better and load significantly faster but that’s it. The era of big leaps is over, and people just don’t have as much money. Which is the reason why Sony would simply be wasting their time having the PS6 release. I’m telling you now, I will not be getting the PS6 regardless of what exclusives are on it. If they’re sticking to this 7 year window despite games taking 3 times as long to release then I’m simply skipping the next console.

[@victorvargas9330]

PS6 Pro would be the definitive next-gen console. PS6 would just be the lite version as our PS5 would be compared to PS5 Pro which should've been THE PS5.

[@chemergency]

PS5 doesn't have the kind of exclusives to justify a $500 console and $70 games in this economy, raising PS+ prices is just driving more online gamers to PC as can clearly be seen with Helldivers II for example, and supply issues from the pandemic have basically killed its sales momentum. Obviously Microsoft's not doing much better either this whole console generation is struggling and it's not hard to see why. This might be the weakest console lineup we've had since the days of the Atari 5200. If GTAVI somehow ends-up being disappointing or subpar in some way to the point that it impacts sales (unlikely but not outside the realm of possibility given Rockstar's increasing cynicism, greed, and hostile, antagonistic attitude towards fans) then it'll be safe to say at that point that this entire generation is a failure and the next one will need to be a drastic pivot towards what consumers actually want instead of this dystopian Hellscape of live service penny-pinching, stick-drifting, and digital-only anti-preservation.

[@ValMeri417]

PS4 in the same life-span justified its worth?

[@chemergency]

@@ValMeri417 Just barely. It finally started getting some worthwhile exclusives by around 2017 but many of its issues were tolerated simply because Xbox wasn't a good alternative and the economy was stronger at the time. Games and hardware also weren't as expensive.

[@randyrrs7028]

Games are getting more demanding and more expensive to make and are costing $70 without their deluxe versions, people will buy less and less games and there will be more and more layoffs. The industry won't be able to sustain itself like that

[@faheemabbas3965]

@@randyrrs7028and it’s all because, many times nowadays, the games aren’t worth it.

[@SinanPurtas]

@@randyrrs7028Iwata predicted this in 2004. when consoles become more powerful, the time to develop a game becomes longer. Thats why nintendo focuses on gameplay instead of hardware

[@meeds7473]

The 2012 PSN shop update was the worst update the PS3 ever got. I wish they could roll it back :(

[@Kashmachine10]

Yh it barely runs

[@cringo08]

Trying to go through your download list is terrible.

[@H8RSAPPRECIATE]

I hated when they did it they made the layout worse and it wasn't as smooth plus you couldn't scroll as far to look at avatars before getting kicked out

[@TheFlareMind]

I upgraded from PS4 to PS5 because I had the model before PS4 Pro came out, the sku i had was notorious for fan noise and making beep sound when it got hot. It was placed in a well ventilated area but whatever. I still play my PS4 games on PS5 and some of them have upgrades so wanted to take advantage of it.

[@anthonyfarmer7659]

I have my release day ps4 and when I upgraded I passed it down to my kids. It’s 2024 and it’s still bumpin along.

[@MoonSarito]

Here in Brazil, the PS5 is still considerably expensive and unfortunately there was no price cut like the PS4 after the launch of the PS4 Slim and PS4 Pro, many people (including my brother) are on the PS4 and do not intend to migrate to a new console right now. In more developed countries, I think there are some other reasons that contribute to this, such as the pandemic that left several people (and countries) in complicated situations, mainly financial, we still don't have many "next-gen only" games that prove to be "mind blowing" and honestly, apart from just 3 exceptions, the "next-gen only" games that I've seen so far don't seem that impressive to me to the point of wanting a new console just for that.

[@user-ux3os1ob9t]

Hi travel to UK and buy one here it's a lot cheaper then Brazil for the same ps5

[@My_Old_YT_Account]

​@@user-ux3os1ob9tthe plane ticket costs more than the console

[@RevanNL]

Not a huge mystery, base PS4 was $299 at this point, PS5 has gone up in price as well as the cost of living. Dropping the price will increase sales dramatically I believe

[@gabrielwild3]

It was just because the ps5 was delayed when it first came out. Everyone was hyped to get it but couldnt get their hands on it. Eventually just gave up and when it finally released it didn’t feel like there was even need to upgrade. Thats how i felt.

[@MrGonz801]

What we're seeing is like the transition from PS2-PS3. I and many of my friends just continued to play on the PS2 until around 2012-2013 because they just kept releasing games for it. As far as we were concerned, there was no reason to move on as long as there were games we wanted to play. I think if they keep releasing games for the PS4 we're gonna see the same type of thing take place, I mean hell... I went on FB Market place and got a PS4 Pro on the cheap after already owning a PS4 because the cross-buy feature meant I could play the games I'd been buying in my living room and my bedroom natively

[@monikaguerra]

Many are on PC now (PS4 users)

[@Notlaxz]

Yeah I was a die hard PlayStation player but once covid and PS5 came out and nobody could buy one and still no games are available on PS5 and PC can run games at double the fps so why not just suck it up and switch

[@tatienouorest3358]

Cuz I haven’t had anything that wowed me on the same level sa Bloodborne, The Witcher 3, RDR2, uncharted 4, GOW 2018, MHW Games that were not just graphical powerhouses but actually pushed the medium to the next level

[@jimmypage1969]

Gta6 hasn't released yet. Once it does you'll see ps5 sales skyrocketing

[@JM-pm1yb]

It was widely unavailable when the hype was high. Now, it’s hard for players to want the upgrade. There’s so little reasons to upgrade when 85% of the recent exclusives were also on PS4. I really believe it was the lack of supply when the demand was at its highest.

[@ricioly]

The only exclusive that interests me that isn’t cross platform is Spiderman 2. I’m not buying a new console just for one game. I’m happy with God of War Ragnarok, Horizon 2, Gran Turismo 7 and Sackboy on my PS4.

[@nickofzo]

Yes Horizon 2 and Sackboy are still on my ps4 list of games to buy and play.

[@snkfan]

PS4 is the last golden Sony era.. if people think PS5 is bad PS6 gen will be even worse for games

[@krazyd0nut404]

This generation has been lame, higher price games and service. Very few exclusive I actually enjoy. Too many gaas garbage. Everything tries to nickel and dime you. I had ps5 during lanuch. Last year spiderman, this year Stella. Other than that gamepass on Xbox and pc.

[@A2theC]

@@krazyd0nut404 ...don't forget... oh wait nevermind, you're right 🤣

[@supersaiyaman11589]

@@krazyd0nut404 everything goes up that includes the prices of the video games.

[@supersaiyaman11589]

that being said i know i will not be paying 100 200 for the delux editions of games with just some digital gifts.

[@TheKing8608_]

That’s a damn lie lol you people come up with the most dumb takes, ps4 didn’t have allot exclusives till around 2015-2016 it’s been this way every gen. Around 4 years in is when the heavy hitters start rolling out, then you had the pandemic that slowed development down too. 2025 is gonna be a big year and all these upcoming games aren’t coming to PS4

[@TacticalPower88]

It was a supply chain issue at first, where a lot of people opted for PC and Xbox. For everyone else, by the time the supply chain shortage was resolved there was a huge inflation crisis going on where coming up with an extra $500 for a console was really hard to come by for alot of people 🤷‍♂️

[@philbertov823]

The consoles are real close in capabilities, and cross-play makes it that much more convenient. When I upgraded to PS5, my daughter inherited my PS4 and my son still games on our old XB1!

[@MikeFields83]

Games games games that’s why

[@daysgone2997]

imagine owning xbox, it must be bad for them poor souls

[@CoS-ci5gd]

So you only play 1st party games? So when games like Stellar Blade Rise of Ronin, and Final Fantasy VII Rebirth come out, you pretend there aren't any games to play? Also, if PlayStation was to buy Arrowhead tomorrow, would you SUDDENLY have another game to play because the parent company owns them? You don't make ANY sense. All you're doing is hurting yourself when you create strange goalposts for yourself.

[@CoS-ci5gd]

​@@daysgone2997??? I'm talking about PS5 vs PS4 what are you on about? Can you read?

[@daysgone2997]

@@CoS-ci5gd you don't mention ps4 can you type??

[@daysgone2997]

@@CoS-ci5gd what are you smoking? when i diss xbox its a good reason cos muppets are spending hundreds and getting 1 game a year, none this year btw

[@moonlightillari]

This is the most nothing conundrum because with 10 seconds of thought, you can easily point to around a dozen *very obvious* reasons people haven't transitioned from PS4

[@user-fh6pw5dx1d]

This never happened back in the day. When N64 came out ppl were jumping for them. Same with PS2 and og Xbox. Seeing ppl wait years to upgrade is wild to me but maybe I was spoiled growing up lol

[@noahlange5102]

@@user-fh6pw5dx1d There were much bigger leaps in technology/features/etc. between generations back then. The leap between 8th/9th and PS4/PS5 is just not large enough, especially since they're still releasing games for the PS4/Xbox One.

[@badbeck4]

Tell me you didn’t watch the video before commenting without telling me…

[@ZBatt1]

@@user-fh6pw5dx1dYes but diminishing returns and cost of upgrade is more drastic now vs then

[@HPLovesCraftsCat]

every game worth playing is on ps4. everything still gets released on ps4. ps5 games cost more. ps5 costs more. ps5 has a worse interface. ps5 has no community features. ps5 has no games worth "upgrading for" ps5 has an A.I that monitors and it transcribes your conversations and stores them online forever and with the often sony hacks and leaks that's a huge security risk. Sony constantly disrespects its customers, Sony bait and switches games censoring them often. playstation 5 is worthless

[@rasinshuriken]

My ps4 just gives the blue light for a second when i turn it on than it shuts off immediately. What should i do as a fix?

[@cuppycakey5013]

Couldn’t find one when I had the money, then when they were readily available, I didn’t have the money. I’m buying one next Friday.

[@sirwalkboy]

coz most ps4 users play cod/fifa/apex/fortnite. even bo6 is on ps4. its not the $70 price tho because cod still sells even at that price. there just arent enough incentives to get a ps5 for most of the casuals when their ps4 runs the games they play just fine.

[@Manjawline]

also GTA 5 is still getting updates on the PS4 version

[@garbageman1817]

Fort runs at 30fps on ps4

[@UltraGreenNo.57]

@@garbageman1817 its under 50-60.

[@garbageman1817]

It’s 60fps on the ps4 pro it runs under 30fps on base ps4 now.

[@FreshLyte]

Ps5 is for casuals though.

[@Carlisle-mn3fv]

Americans think the world only includes them, in many third world countries it’s just not an option to buy a ps5 or any luxury devices because of how expensive they are

[@unicorntomboy9736]

What about European people, like in France or Germany

[@VenomShotYou]

Yeah we don’t care about other countries. We find it amusing when people outside our country complain about it.

[@Carlisle-mn3fv]

@@unicorntomboy9736 France and Germany aren’t third world countries….your education or lack there of is showing. The standard of living is much higher over there and people can usually afford to buy luxury devices without have to make sacrifices for daily food or other necessities.

[@unicorntomboy9736]

@@Carlisle-mn3fv Sadly there is poverty amongst pockets of French and German people

[@rafaelgalindo4794]

True. I only got my ps5 here in Brazil last year. In the US a ps5 is what, 30% of their paycheck? Here is three times your salary.

[@shanaeverowe9626]

1) it's expensive to "upgrade" 2) there hasn't been enough(if any) can't miss PS5 only titles 3) there are lots of great games we still had to catch up with

[@iamtheinevitable-]

I have a ps5 but still play on ps4 I like it more even after 4 years of the ps5

[@yuzurihamoon805]

I'm one of those who are still playing PS4. To me it's hard to find a reason to upgrade as I mainly play JRPGs, and pretty much all of them are available on PS4, even the latest titles like Trails of Daybreak or Metaphor Refantazio. I'll definitely get a PS5 when developers like Falcom or Gust have completely moved on to the current generation console. Until then, I'm fine with the PS4.

[@Rdawo721]

The biggest reason is the wide range and variety of games with a huge library of PS4 videogames that players and gamers prefer to play it on old gen as well as because of the price and total cost of the PS5 still relatively high even though it decreased in price with all the bundles. Many enjoy all the PS4 exclusives especially to play it on their PS4 console and experience it on the old school system is also a passion to play.

[@SinisterFears]

Never had much money as a kid, and when I finally got one on my birthday, the ps5 came out a few months later. Im waiting until support stops for the ps4

[@WarioSaysSo]

There are several arguments that can be made about why the Playstation 4 is STILL very popular and still supported by people (myself included). One argument is that the jump in the graphics race from PS4 PRO to PS5 is NOT significant enough to justify such great purchase when the value is not there. The fact that the PS4 PRO can deliver to the visible eye in a living room near the exact fine graphics, sounds, movie display etc. to the games released for the PS5 says it all to the non tech-obsessed individual. Again it just don't justify the "jump-up" when the values that should be there just don't exist. The common person says; "The graphics race is boring and I don't care. I just want to play good games" - and in this day and age, that holds a lot of argument value. The consuming level of new tech is just obnoxious and plain-out unwanted with the ever incrising costs for its products and service demands. Witch takes us to - The BIGGEST argument is naturally related to the economics that most of us all are struggling to make ends meet these days (thanks Bidenonomics with the s#it inflation rises) and don't have disposable income for expensive electronics. That leaves us hoping our home electronics; TV, smartphone, video game console(s) etc. will stay on for as long as possible because we don't want our piggybanks to crash.

[@Rod100it]

its selling at the same pace as the ps4 did basically according to data, so what does that tell you?

[@WarioSaysSo]

@@Rod100it That those that can afford it buys it.

[@hyrulegend9786]

My personal reason is there's not enough exclusive games I'm interested in, & the rest is multiplatform I can purchase elsewhere. I miss the days of Jak & Daxter & The Older God of War & Ratchet & Clank /Uncharted. That & the console is expensive & I patiently wait on game price drops & sales, their not getting $70 out of me lol A good chance alot of the multiplatform game's will come to Nintendo Switch 2. I'll just wait & buy that instead.😎 I'm still rocking my PS4 Pro & older consoles.

[@KepleroGT]

One of the reasons is that Sony fell for the Xbox strategy and made most of its exclusives multi-platform to PC. On PC you can now have Xbox games, PC games and now some PS games. So what's the point in holding a PS5?

[@hyrulegend9786]

@@KepleroGT I know right? lol Times we live in 🙌🏻

[@coreywilson7326]

So true

[@hyrulegend9786]

@@coreywilson7326 Yes 🤝🏻😁

[@JReed7560]

Some people on the other hand are saying whats the point of having an Xbox. Four of their exclusives went to PS5, nintendo and pc. It's rumored halo, gears and starfield may be going. Nintendo isn't going to put LOZ on Series X in return, Sony is not going to put Horizon or any of their excĺusives on Series X in return.

[@Zero_Steel]

I'd say the price, also 4 years in with no Price cuts is indeed putting the potential buyers off

[@jimfisher9749]

They do price cuts every year on black friday....My neighbor got a brand new disc one for 350bucks last year.

[@EternalShana]

Cheapskates console gamers as usual, 500 is not expensive at all

[@Warona.Gaanakgomo]

@@EternalShana in my country its 750 USD, and the price cuts are a joke

[@LyuboA]

no price cuts you can't even buy it at retail in Europe they Force you to buy 3 games or 3 controllers or PS Plus subscriptions for 200-250 Euro just to be able to buy a PS5

[@NxtDoc1851]

Unfortunately, price cuts aren't happening any longer. Nintendo proved to other hardware manufacturers that you can keep the price the same throughout an entire hardware life cycle.

[@genisbibin8292]

I'm still a PS4 Pro user. Lets say if i plan on upgrading to PS5 later on, i still have concerns regarding the inbuilt SSD on PS5 hardware. After updating and adding huge chunk of games the one thing to worry about is TBW. So to have a longer lifespan I'd have to invest in an M.2 SSD to store games and try to use the internal storage as little as possible.

[@digitalgravity3563]

Just upgraded to ps5 recently and it took me a while because ps5 games that came out doesn’t give you that “this is the game” exciting feeling. Only that hype me up rn is gta 6 and sequel of ghost of tsushima maybe the open world starwars and test drive but that’s it. This a reason I still play my ps3 also

[@luismaldonado4989]

Definitely due to how mediocre it is compared to previous console generations. All that “power” with barely any games utilizing it.

[@PhillipLemmon]

But that's not the CONSOLES fault, it's the DEVELOPERS making the games....

[@Woodzta]

​@@PhillipLemmonAre you sure? There's a lot of people overjoyed about a PS5 "Pro" model.

[@taym510Oak]

They have 660 games

[@luismaldonado4989]

@@taym510Oakyea but more than 80% of those can probably run on a PS4 no problem.

[@taym510Oak]

@@luismaldonado4989 maybe but wouldn’t be as good of a game as it is on the ps5 I use to say the same thing until I upgraded and believe me there is truly a difference

[@OscarFinn]

I still play PS3/4 and vita, could imagine a good population of PS4 players may just hold out for PS6, presumably it will be back compat for ps4 and 5 so be the worthwhile option

[@NewjerseyFan]

thats my line of thinking but honestly the only way i would get a PS5 is if my PS4 dies or disc drive stop working. and if PS6 is digital only then PS6 is a hard pass i'll go PC if i want digital for my games. at least i get a wide variey of deals and many more games thats on PC consoles do not get.

[@OscarFinn]

@@NewjerseyFan I think it would be foolish to go disc only for PS6 still plenty of players playing PS5/4 discs. I'm a committed physical media fan so if PS6 was digital only I wouldn't go near it until I've cleared my backlog...and by then I might be too old to game :D

[@YaLongLostDad]

If the PS5 was such a little improvement to the PS4, what makes you think anyone will bother buying a PS6? It will be the same thing just with tweaked performance and hardware… at that point, most people would just stay on PS5 or get a PC… Trust me, we are gonna be on PS5 for the next 8-10 years, there is nothing else to upgrade, games have beautiful graphics now and have been running very smoothly on PS5 to the point where if you want a dramatic change, you won’t see it happen on PS6, people would rather just buy a PC for that dramatic change in performance and graphics…

[@Soulcypher17]

Did everyone forget there was a massive crisis when scalpers took over the market for a year and a half?. Yes ps5 was being sold but not alot of people had one till March 2022.

[@michaeldietz2648]

Sony has nobody to blame but themselves, they’re being so quiet on future projects there’s no excitement. Most people buy a platform for a specific game. A lot of people just will not see the value in purchasing a new console without seeing a sequel to their favorite game, for example I bet you there’s a lot of people that haven’t bought a PS5 because they are waiting for TLOU3. Sony needs to make a big showcase and show the next two or three years of great games that are going to be coming out and their sales will go up, right now there’s nothing to look forward to from Tony’s first party studios for me.

[@krazyd0nut404]

Tlou3 won’t bring the mass like Spider-Man 2 didn’t. GTA6. Might be that game.

[@michaeldietz2648]

@@krazyd0nut404 it doesn’t necessarily have to bring the same amount of people the point as it will bring a large amount of people, people have different taste in games and will buy a specific platform for a game. I’ll give you an example my brother would buy a PS5 if it had a twisted metal. There’s also no way I would buy a game platform for something like GTA. Sony has forgotten that having a large amount of exclusives is what entices people to buy a specific platform.

[@M.sami12]

If the only reason people buy PS is solely for TLOU then the console is already dead. I never play TLOU so i couldn't care less about that game and i believe many people are like me.

[@michaeldietz2648]

@@M.sami12 there are absolutely millions of people that feel the way you do but, there are a lot of people that feel the exact opposite. I don’t think you’re getting the point of what I’m saying. Replace TLOU3 with any game that you feel you would buy the platform for and then you’ll get it.

[@jessekoepp3928]

The lack of Abby Smash Volume 3 isn't hurting anything. You know the fans that loved the first one were decimated after Abby does Golf Volume 2 right? Gamestop stopped accepting copies of that game within three days of its release, they're *already* trying to "remaster" it (LOL), and the show didn't make the game sell millions more copies cause only normies watched it anyways. (and they're in for a BIG surprise season 2 when their favorite character gets killed by she bulk) Naughty Dog is dead with that hack Cuckman running the show. The last thing on Earth has the ability to do is to change or improve based on criticism. He'll double down, the "mEdiA" will all kiss his butt, and when their next game doesn't even come close to expectations, they'll blame the fans.

[@rolandrowland6992]

the shortages destroyed FOMO and cemented the fact people could just get the same games on older platforms. That it went on for an extended period I think is a large part of it. Many people, me included also refuse to pay $70 for a new game because you do not receive the game for that price, only the entry to the game.

[@JamelGilliam-cd7lb]

There’s really no giant leap from ps4 to ps5 graphics still look the same u get faster loading times that’s about it

[@e46m54nissansr20937]

I mean textures look better resolution framerates better but overall its not a gigantic leap forward you can still get the same experience on older consoles

[@IT.93]

Because this has been the worst console generation ever.

[@TheDumontShow]

A KZbinr said the same thing and broke it down. I agree. This console generation is very boring. The AAA games aren't enticing to buy. It's the same experience that was on PS4.

[@jacksonjacob7791]

This might be the worst playstation generation ever.

[@Retro_Gamer_89]

​@@jacksonjacob7791It's at least with Xbox Series X/S you can do emulation

[@jacksonjacob7791]

@@Retro_Gamer_89 I've heard that. I'd like to look into that more. I do applaud Microsoft's backwards compatibility with their latest consoles as well. If sony hadn't made the ps5 backwards compatible with the PS4 i think way less people would have bought the ps5.

[@ValMeri417]

check the Sony PS4 games in the same life-span and say it again

[@azrael_morningstar]

Only reason i upgraded was for the low fan sound ngl 😅

[@cosmosofinfinity]

People seriously don't talk about that nearly enough

[@leekohuncho3912]

@@cosmosofinfinityAbout having a loud ps4 due to the dust built up inside of it?