Trying to solve the ignition problem on my 1927 Model T Hotrod

In the video Karl and I work on my 27 Ford model T and remove the pertronix ignition and install points as I though the ignition was the problem fir the car running bad.
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[@williamtrusler1508]

It’s always a great time when Karl comes to visit! What a good pal.

[@dougpeak7591]

Brent it’s great to Karl at your shop !That model t is cool ! I think it needs a haircut. Maybe you and Karl can give it alittle chop

[@jasonseal2692]

I always set points with a dwell meter. As the center “cam” wears out your end gap setting will change. Get the dwell setting to 30 and run it. Love the channel, both of the channels.

[@stew6338]

Setting the dwell is the most accurate way to set points. The smaller the points gap the bigger the dwell is. I know your viewers are now going to send you dwell meters. 😆Cheers Stew

[@lewiskemp5893]

Best thing about Karl is I found Brent through him. I love both channels and the best is both of them together 😊

[@canadareals]

I loved the little door on the GM distributer caps. Hook up your dwell meter, start'r up, raise the little door, insert your allen wrench, set your dwell to the perfect reading. Done in a coupl'a minutes.

[@WilliamPhillips65-69]

You two could have a comedy show. I love the back and forth of you two in the shop. Reminds me of a time years ago when I worked with a crew of machinists in an automotive machine shop, that built engines from farm trucks to funny cars, dirt track rigs. street rods, and tractors. Thanks for the memories.

[@Mr.Avuncular]

Brent. You are correct !! The door yes dwell access!!! Also get a handheld vaccumn gun couple sqeezes while hooked up to module would confirm that itz working😘😁👍👍🤠

[@rogercamp6071]

A pair of old school hot rods-love it!!

[@donames6941]

One thing i see is a ballast resistor, and if that coil is a 12 vote one,(with a intrunel risistor ) you may not need the ballast witch lower you votes more cause a weak fire at the plugs causing a rich mix

[@dennisplace2641]

No ballast resitor on petronix........

[@glennnickerson8438]

I have to run a ballast resistor with my Pertronix. Someone said I didn't need it, disconnected it and ten minutes later poof Put a new one in with the resistor 18 yrs ago, never a problem!😉

[@craigwalker4211]

Electric tonic ignition needs 12v while points is 9v with a ballast resistor.

[@Mr2oldiron]

Dwell is the number of degrees the point are CLOSED. Uniset points are usually preset, you install them and then start the engine. To use a dwell meter you you hook it the distributor side of the coil (usually the negative side) and ground. Your dwell reading is usually on a small block Chevy is 28-32 degrees. I always tried to get it at 30 running. That’s why the distributor cap has the door in it is so you can adjust the points running. You should your multimeters because some of them have a dwell meter function built in to them. Always set your dwell first because for every degree of dwell change, you change timing 2 degrees.

[@ArthurParker-xr6qu]

Brent.. I love to see you and karl get together….awesome content today..keep up the great work 😊😊

[@murtkirby9725]

Glad to see Buddy making a cameo appearance. Great video.

[@ronbunker5778]

You two make it real! Thanks for sharing your video.

[@lsdevenie1426]

Better than anything on TV, Awesome watching you two “work” together

[@robertbennett9243]

You and Karl are such best friends. You two can find funny in anything. Good video. Pablo was looking at the 27 like "who is driving my 27?". I learned about points and setting a dist. right.

[@dinga11128]

You connect the dwell meter + ti the - side of the coil and the other to ground and set the points to 30 on the meter with the motor running and you're done.

[@roberthocking9138]

What a sight those 2 rods made in that beautiful countryside. Nice job

[@TheDistur]

Honestly it's nice to see one that isn't chopped.

[@HalfassKustoms]

Haha to easy

[@TrendsbySterling]

Very cool to see you two guys hanging out and having fun working on stuff Brent!

[@floydt2029]

Yes Karl, when your closer to the neon sign, I can here it click. Look like a good time with Brent and Karl!

[@farmerbaker]

Pertronics like a full 12 volts all the time, found out the hard way so no need for the ballast resister

[@johnkranz4004]

Very KOOL Video Brent and Karl

[@lynnmccurdythehdmmrc2561]

Been a long time since I turned wrenches but do remember the "window" in the Dist Cap and adjusting the points with an allen wrench.

[@mixerman1]

You and Karl are like ☯ you compliment each so well. You know the funny thing is you guys probably hooked up because of the old tube here. It was nice to see Esther pop in. I feel like Buddy is like me in his older age, he looked a lot more chipper without the cold of winter. It always seems like Pablo is smiling when you go for a boot. I want to thank you all for the great content and I'll catch you on the next one..later!!

[@EvanHofmeyer]

Jup. Nothing beats oldschool hey. It just works. Always has. Always will.

[@N-Scale]

Those look cool cruising together !!!

[@born2soon]

The local hardware store in our town had a huge sign like that. When they went out of business someone bought the sign for $10,000 and sold it on Mecum Auction for $37,400.00!

[@harrytaylor6854]

Very good one that is another reason why i stuck with the small bock chev ..Well done guys great to have Karl down here

[@IBRACIN]

The vacuum advance should be hooked to ported vacuum

[@davidhatch2558]

Nice to see your 27 running properly again Brent. Thanks for the video

[@SuperDave-xs6pt]

One of your buddies has a dwell meter. Get it, set the point dwell to 30 degrees, then set timing. Good luck

[@donaldhalls2189]

It looked like a great day hanging with a mate, and cruising, in beautiful weather, thanks for sharing, all the best to yous and your loved ones

[@tstuart7333]

1927 Jidder Bug. Which is looking real super.

[@willseay8553]

Instead of buying a new set of points why don't you just put the Pertronix back in? It wasn't causing the problem.

[@apocolypse11]

Because old folks want to believe that points are superior. Even if 99 percent drive modern cars lol.

[@1208bug]

This was a lot of fun Brent and Karl! 😎👍

[@alanpaulick7815]

What happy video with Brent Ester and Karl. Thanks for sharing good friends hanging out.

[@edwinthompson6510]

you have the patience of Jobe Brent Ed

[@Bman2020]

What a great watch guys it has been real good watching your last videos the old points and condenser was my thing lol easy file reset gap life was good again simple thanks for sharing your time together 👍👋🇨🇦

[@rickyfulks6656]

Dwell meters gotta b really rare in the tool box now

[@stevesalvage1089]

Iv gone back to points on all my classics, spare condenser is all you need to take with you , points will always get you home, simple ,

[@grahamparr3933]

In my early years motoring, you could get home with a screwdriver, pair of pliers, a small hammer, a lug wrench, and a roll of electric tape.

[@whatsoutthere6822]

Dwell changes timing so, it's best to set the dwell first then set timing.

[@dthanson56621]

Dwell meter hooks to coil,pos to pos,neg to neg,and dwell on 8 cylinder setting,a V8 gm dwell is 28 to 32,I usually set at 30.

[@randyhughes5160]

My 69 Chevy truck had that and I had a box that had timing and dwell you could open the door and set the dwell then you sprayed it with silicone to help water proof it

[@daleking8529]

What a fun video! Take care!

[@demnis]

yo HI again Halfass customs Brent and Ester from the D MI 😎 hey thanks for sharing another great video of the mighty T tweens 👍🤩💪😎🔥

[@larrybailey43]

Enjoying your shows !

[@oh8wingman]

For points gap you can use a Canadian dime if need be. When newly minted they are 0.020" thick. Years ago when points were still the standard ignition I had a dome with a hole drilled in it and I kept it on my key chain. A dime will also work on old Harleys as they ran GM point assemblies.

[@rickyfulks6656]

The dwell setting is 30 degrees,I'll never forget old school stuff.

[@born2soon]

I remember setting the dwell on my first car, 1966 Chevy Bel Air 283, at 30 degrees and idle at 650. Sweet engine that didn't burn a drop of oil. Summer of '72.

[@AndrewHCann]

Excellent video Brent :) , Ester :) , Karl :) yes all Canadian Tire years ago in 30 mins drive in my areas had all tune for GM , Ford , Chrysler , Plymouth, Dodge , have all parts fix up in farm , personal, business vechiles and if need order in they would if available and phone tell pick up! But sadly all changes even NAPA Auto parts used do to and some Hardware store or corner stores had fuel stations too ! Yes that good old days and plus shop sign in shop click I hear too but some people talk or other has noise it get blank out what guys asked!

[@catman19]

Hi Brent,,first set points at 30-32 dwell then set timing.

[@RichieCat4223]

13:35 The second distributor has Delco Uni-set points and condenser all in one.

[@Telephony954]

We should all have such problems, eh. Hi Ester.

[@SStudiopro]

Use a dwell meter and the dwell is 28 to 32

[@danielboughton3624]

Haven't done one in a long long time but I was thinking .16 for the gap and 30 for the dwell. I guess I remembered about right. Now they just need the little tool to reach around everything when the distributor is in place. I think I have one in my toolbox.

[@catman19]

I run points in everything, pertronx left me stranded one nite

[@fabbricaitalianaautomobili5859]

Hey uncle, I've really done the same with reverting back to poins from the upgraded electronic ignition, We have a mr carman locally, which I was the first one to scrap their so called upgrade. Now anywho Ciao Ciao The Des

[@SPUDHOME]

60 years ago dad taught me, {match book}. Don’t use a feeler gage. The oil on the gauge would get on the points and burn them out faster. Also don’t use a point file, same reason, use new clean emery cloth. Match book always worked.

[@briankinnear7461]

Love these videos with you and Karl doing stuff together. Informative and a helluva lot of fun. Look forward to more. Be safe and stay well.

[@Goliath190]

Great video!

[@chuckelliott258]

Yeah we can get points but they aren't any good

[@J20J20]

Such a rad car

[@jonpeters2700]

In vehicles that use breaker points, dwell time, also known as ignition dwell or saturation time, is the process of building up high voltage in the ignition coil before each spark plug firing. It's measured in degrees of distributor rotation, or the amount of time contact breakers close in a distributor, while the contact points remain closed. The dwell angle must be accurate for ignition timing to be accurate. Dwell is the length of time the points were CLOSED. the lower the dwell angle the longer the points were closed. an 8 cylinder engine would have 8 lobes on the distributor shaft on which the points arm would ride. 360 degrees in a rotation divided by 8 = 45degrees.

[@RandyH-qf3dc]

Used to have a dwell meter. Those gm widow cap, one piece points and condeser coupled with a dwell meter made a tune up easy. Enjoyed this video Brent.

[@ronjohnstonaustralia2417]

Don't forget to advance your distributor for daylight saving time

[@southpawsgarage]

yup..dwell was at 19...set running...did that on my 69 chevelle when i was in my 20s...

[@stuartfletcher2378]

Thank you both for a superb video , between the two of you anything and everything is possible . I could never get enough of your prize winning knowledge and sparky humor . Till we get together next time , May the best of life be yours , Stuart in Ontario ..

[@IEchuckie]

Sparky humor? Is that 16 or 32 gap humor 😅

[@danielboughton3624]

the plate can get sticky with old grease or other cruft. You might need to clean/grease it. You can use a mighty-vac or other vacuum pump to see if the advance is any good. The dwell meter hook up depends on the meter. If you have an automotive style multi-meter it might have a dwell function but if you get the point gap right the dwell is right. They are 2 different ways of doing the same thing.

[@jimmyford796]

I’ve had 2 61 chevys with 283 in them and both had the little door on the distributor cap for adjusting the points.

[@asacatholic1380]

Troubleshooting! A lot of it is physical learning. Thanks for demonstrating the process!

[@terryeustice5399]

A fun video Brent and Karl. Good people good times. Thanks for sharing! 💯👊👍💕

[@MarqusReyes-yi4ww]

I always got my distributors out of 1977 Camaros electronic ignition system easy hook up

[@buckeyejim2989]

🗿💨them uni-pounts was bad right outta the box ,at times. Only 1974 GM used em but it was easier for the diy er to loosen two bolts instead of three. Or if someone lost a point mounting bolt , guys would use the uni-points because it required two without a condenser mount screw. Enjoying the collaboration 👍 thanks for sharing ✌️

[@jameslewry2950]

G'day big fella, sitting in hospital, you're keeping me motivated, thanks mate. Hooroo se ya later 👍

[@shanewright6958]

You can only hear if the sound is way up 👍👍

[@illbeda1974]

Sometimes those Q Jet welch plugs can start to leak,causing it to run rich.

[@barryanderson5116]

PS - Dwell should be 28 to 32. Also, dwell effects timing but timing does not affect dwell.

[@garoldpeterson3433]

They made a speedometer cable style Allen head screwdriver for adjusting the points.

[@tday99music]

Hey! I'd buy that Keychain and i don't even have a car with points! Plug gap Keychain maybe?

[@lewiskemp5893]

Lmao. Someone will say it. It's in the comments!!!!!! That's so true

[@mikemullay5622]

Just about every GM car that uses points is gapped at .016 and 31 degrees of dwell. I CAN here the sign click. Brent you are exactly right. I have that distributor in my '65 Skylark. You can set the dwell by opening the little door and using an Allen key to set the dwell. GM used that distributor until they went to HEI.

[@jackmehoff2961]

Minty ! Thank You for sharing your video, and letting us hang out . Later ...

[@rickyfulks6656]

Red lead on meter goes to negative on coil,n of course black to ground,set at 30 degrees Brent

[@moto50forReal]

I Just loved watching those two cars rolling down the road at the end there

[@notajp]

Usually, if a Pertronix unit fails, you lose spark entirely. And yes, if you are going to run points, you need a dwell meter. Hook up the dwell meter, then use the Allen wrench to adjust the point gap to set the dwell to spec. We used to do that all the time….

[@portsboy1]

I'm gonna say that old school ballast resistor is kaput

[@marksteinhorst5855]

Not supposed to use ballast resistor with pertronix

[@2509498788]

Omg . DWELL , METER & LITTLE DOOR.. WOW Long time ago ,, for me ,, 70s for sure

[@thomasputnam4491]

The dwell is like 30bto 32 I set my points at 17 but the adjustable kind you have you need a dwell meter because you can't get most feeler guages in it but I have a really small feeler guage that fits with adjustable distributor any points that you can fit in the distributor and they open and close will work and any condenser for a distributor will work real simple that's why there so good when the new stuff fails

[@rickster4455]

Set dwell meter to 8 cylinder, then dial up 30 degrees. This eguals .018" on the feeler gauge.

[@alexanderalejo5708]

Yeahhhhh! MAKE IT HALFASS collab.

[@davegallucci9327]

Points for It's until 1972. I still have points in my 72 elcamino.

[@duaneglover9283]

Tuning the distributor sets the timing for # 1, the points gap sets the timing for the rest

[@rickyfulks6656]

There's a tool that's basically a screwdriver type deal with a flexible shaft n the Allen wrench head

[@thomasputnam4491]

When you put the Allen wrench in the window and hit the points they will change just from the wrench that's why you need a dwell meter I'd give you one I have 2 of them .just readjust the points with the wrench and keep reveing it until it's good like setting the timeing without a light

[@AndrewGeorge-ig1fn]

I would like to see all your cars out lined up. I really like the t and the roadster. I like how there just together and drive. Not some finished full paint cars

[@Slingshotgixxer]

That Roadster is unbelievably cool , just looks amazing

[@sornaleval5889]

You can just barely hear the sign, the closer you are the more you hear it. but to be honest i never noticed it till you mentioned it and Karl pointed it out. i saw the sign but the sounds in the shop aren't bad at all. Heck its a shop, kinda feels odd when it's dead silent.

[@CSmith-oz4wp]

Bring the Buick into the shop, it’s time for “flame on” and go for a burn. Great video I learned something every time I watch.

[@mikemullay5622]

Points and condenser and rotor are all I have ever used in my vintage cars, most recently Buicks. I agree, keep it simple.

[@frankkirby5763]

What a fun video. Best wishes to all.

[@darwinfoster7420]

Chevy points will be adjustable by Allen wrench .