Half Baked Ep. 26 - MamaMax

[@Lord_Vega]

Sorry I couldn't make it, I was in church praying 😇🙏🏽

[@MistaBrandoVA]

You’re a good man Vega lol

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

I believe you more than Tom

[@chey550]

The church of ass, sure. I believe it

[@hotlinemiami4614]

I'm calling bullshit lol (jk hope you had a wonderful day)

[@ezio_auditore5425]

Lord smegma

[@TurkeyTom]

Thanks again to max for coming on side note you guys wouldnt believe what vega sent me n nick when we asked where he was

[@LaterXavier-TX]

I think we would tbh

[@lumi-df1no]

Spill it

[@DireWolfDevil]

Was it in church? 😳

[@DT47]

He says he was at church

[@ErgonomicChair]

Why didn't you poiint out the fact Technicals defended pedophiles? Two of them?

[@meltedWax169]

Love how this aged like milk.

[@chairmanofthebored]

Definitely for Max. All of Nic’s talking points are as salient as ever.

[@kass_G59]

lol when Nick is freaking out being “so confused” & Max is like… “It’s okay.” 💀

[@neolumina_39]

"He's from canada-" "-As all terrible people are." "Yeah." As a canadian, ouch.

[@GreenAndGoth]

Idk Trump is American, so don't put much weight on that statement.

[@carolusrex5213]

@@GreenAndGoth I don't know lots of missing native kids in Canada

[@carolusrex5213]

@Abom1nalgirl2802 lots of missing ethnic groups is Asia and Africa too hmm *puts on monogol and ponders*

[@fupoflapo2386]

I see upset children above me lol

[@aerpods]

as a canadian i agree

[@katness4224]

He’s more mature about criticism than most KZbinrs so that’s enlightening lol

[@psychopompous489]

@Abom1nalgirl2802 How so?

[@ihatesnow1762]

@Abom1nalgirl2802 who?

[@ihatesnow1762]

@Anya Mcdonell Marie Harvey 3rd Channel how?

[@chairmanofthebored]

He’s so mature that when he feels threatened he’ll spread rumors you are a pedophile to try and undercut you if he feels vaguely threatened.

[@strangerofthe2067]

@@katness4224 WOMP WOMP

[@makingchangery9267]

Great guest, very respectful. This is what it looks like when adults respectfully disagree

[@gabe5363]

this is perfect before or after the tommy c stream, since he just yelled at the man with no break

[@makingchangery9267]

@@gabe5363 I love Tommy but that's too bad. I haven't watched it yet

[@sozoxd3754]

@@gabe5363 I like Tommy but he reminds me of the old man who talks shit that you don't take seriously. Always over reacts to everything.

[@najadamu2724]

@@gabe5363 Tommy yelled at NightDocs, who was defending MamaMax's video and call to action. Max wasn't on (although he was baiting to be pulled on before Tommy had even finished watching the video), which is another red flag.

[@thelyonking5812]

It’s cool that Max actually came on here to address some criticism since Nick has a few issues. I think the video was good but the ending where he called people out was weird and I feel like it hurt the rest of the video.

[@bigbrothertw]

i swear to god i just saw you on a clip of augie reacting to digibro lmao, small platform

[@thelyonking5812]

@@bigbrothertw you did lol. When I was first getting into anime I watched Eva, looked for more on it on KZbin after and found him. Didn’t know he was a pedo so even though he’s a piece of shit a lot of the first shows I watched were shows he talked about positively. It’s funny that he is such a weirdo and I had no idea about him, I was like 12 or 13 at the time.

[@AspiringDevil]

I really hope smaller guys in the video like GhostGum don't get blow back from this.

[@bigbrothertw]

@@AspiringDevil i was surprised to see ghost but honestly im glad hes getting recognition from bigger channels, even if only in this context

[@AspiringDevil]

@@bigbrothertw yeah GhostGum is great he's like bite-sized internet historian.

[@guerreroart3255]

Tom carried the podcast without Vega being there as the perfect counter balance to him and Nick

[@gabe5363]

toms naturally perfect for this stuff now that’s hes doing more consistent videos i think

[@JinxTiger]

I was worried with Vega being gone, the mediator, that the podcast would fall into chaos but no! Tom really was very clam and sensible. So mature, it was impressive.

[@StewPac]

I agree, Tom did carry the mediator role well. It’s evident how much he’s matured as a content creator. With two very opinionated people having a discussion like this, the level-headed approach is necessary to keep things flowing.

[@snapchatsnacks3154]

I am going to be honest I don't like Vega. He is boring and lacks the on the feet thinking that Tom has.

[@najadamu2724]

It's the other way round. Tom played the good cop and went too softball on him, while Nick played the bad cop and actually challenged him.

[@samannep]

Good interview. I'm glad Tom lead the direction & kept things on track. Max's content isn't something I could watch but I admire him for exposing the inconsistencies in YT's policy.

[@pie3269]

I think Nick was blazed this episode Edit: Holy s*ht I watched the entire episode Tom is so much better at doing a interview than Nick lmao

[@deorio]

That’s because it wasn’t an interview? It was a disagreement. It was a casual argument lmfaoo

[@nic_nuc]

I find nick is better w/ prepared material.

[@youwhat.]

@@nic_nuc he was reading quotes, how was he not prepared?

[@kass_G59]

Toms voice is much easier to listen to.

[@vault_tec_404_4]

The fact that Romeo Lacoste and Mini Ladd still have channels and can gain revenue is a huge problem for me

[@roeland34]

holy fuck i forgot those two even existed

[@beefjerky7154]

also kiwiz

[@StewPac]

True, I mean we’re talking about people who literally admitted to their transgressions and faced almost no consequences.

[@vitaminwater9662]

Yeah thats bad but youtube HAS deleted predators. Theyre not siding with anyone

[@carolusrex5213]

They are both demonitized though

[@MisogynyMan]

"Yeah half of my content is pure fiction" "Cool, well moving on to the next topic"

[@FruitSnackHorse]

This aged like Lemon water. Taste like as to start, eventually smells like it too.

[@MaterMotely]

MamaMax is a great example of how to handle criticism.

[@notfunnydidntlaugh8621]

...poorly

[@simonghoul3602]

All of these boys are a great example

[@Fredfazbear1983]

@@notfunnydidntlaugh8621 no

[@psychopompous489]

@@notfunnydidntlaugh8621 How so?

[@ChronicTheHempHog-mf3nh]

@@notfunnydidntlaugh8621bro was ahead of his time 😂

[@TheREALPlasma_101]

I think I heard the word pedophiles more than 100 times today

[@davi0121]

Even for this podcast, this is a lot.

[@suffermatthew392]

Quickest Half Baked release ever

[@DefNotAiko]

Quarter Baked

[@Deoxy360]

Either I'm in the future or this is the fastest Half Baked released.

[@Vicehella]

Wait this is the power angers guy

[@Deoxy360]

@@Vicehella yeah? That's me. I didn't think I'd get noticed here

[@Vicehella]

@@Deoxy360 used to watch you when I was little

[@Ragingvibrava]

Watching more and more of Nick's content, he jumps to conclusions a lot before asking the right question to understand more. He seems to misunderstand things without waiting or asking for the full scope at times, I feel like if Tom wasn't their today, a number of times this conversation could have been derailed. I like hearing Tom in these types of discussions, he's very level headed. That being said, Nick makes great content off the cuff, very entertaining. Just a small critique.

[@cojoneroach]

It’s because Nick is usually smart enough to see the logical conclusion to peoples BS before they say it.

[@Enderrock424]

@@cojoneroach I don't think that's what it is. jumping to conclusions before knowing all the information is usually a negative because you can easily come to a misguided conclusion.

[@fupoflapo2386]

@Lincoln Ricks oh the irony

[@HeroponMan]

Was so cool to see MamaMax collab with Technicals, Bowblax, etc and is now on Tom's podcast! This is a good one.

[@veshuee003]

i really dont think max is coming from a bad place, but i do understand the frustration from nick...just dont ignore the cycles of time at this point i guess.

[@chey550]

Tom - "fuck it it's getting demonitized anyways". As of right now I am still getting all the ads.

[@NatalovesLilly]

YTers can turn off ads and KZbin can still choose to play ads on it

[@chey550]

@@NatalovesLilly hopefully they're still getting paid for them then

[@AspiringDevil]

KZbin runs ads on demonstrated videos the creator just doesn't get any of the revenue.

[@Duke6598]

@@chey550 nope, youtube gets it

[@FillaneAmmisto]

Gotta appreciate how Tom moderated the debate and make sure it doesn't go off track or gets too heated.

[@doublestufftruffle]

Gotta give Max credit for taking criticism like a champ.

[@strangerofthe2067]

WOMP WOMP

[@Sarah333123]

Lmao Vega's had enough. If you guys don't stop talking about this stuff he's gonna leave the podcast. But in all seriousness, this discussion is so great. Definitely one of your best episodes so far.

[@Fembro]

I had respect for Max but after this I have so much more deeper levels of respect. “I don’t do the edge for style, I do it because that’s what my fans want. They are csa victims and they see it as cathartic.” As a csa victim, thank you Max.

[@SmartAlec1]

I just see him saying "Wow I spread misinformation for flair and muh audience likes it"

[@Fredfazbear1983]

@@SmartAlec1 what misinformation

[@SmartAlec1]

@@Fredfazbear1983 Did you watch the video? Nicholas pointed out misinformation several times and then Max just kind of said something like "I mean I wouldn't call it misinformation because it was implied" And then Nicholas points out where it was directly stated and not implied. Connect the dots.

[@Fredfazbear1983]

@@SmartAlec1 I mean imo you really can’t take the line that’s literally a reference to spider-man 1 a serious statement plus the rest comes off as hyperbole to further his point that KZbin is broken

[@SmartAlec1]

@@Fredfazbear1983 "Something you clearly don't see eye to eye with us on." "You're honor it was hyperbole"

[@iluvtacoz123]

its weird hearing him like this, i remember his voice being so different not even a year ago in the irl videos, let alone him in 2016. i feel bad that he had to get surgery

[@RogueShadow11375]

Same here.

[@jnilz4655]

Dude, Max taking the punches like a champ and discussing calmly. Good shit! Nick calm down dude.

[@fistdantilus9916]

Damn, posted when I thought I was finally going to do something productive. Now I'm gonna be watching this.

[@MVPUnlucky]

“It seems like you go to the Nth degree on everything” Max “absolutely” I mean it’s no mystery Max is a showman. Could even be considered cringy, but his points not to be some “woe is me tale” it’s to get other people to rally behind this. Even if they aren’t horror content creators people NEED to rally behind and unify as one to push KZbin to unfuck the site because as he says in the video “they’re only gonna do something if you grab them by the balls” and it’s so fucking true. The reason youtube gets away with so much shit is because people are complacent even in the face of changes that are financially hurting them because they fear if they stand up they’ll be the only one standing. Don’t feel like that. Stand together. Stand tall. That’s the only way this shit gets fixed.

[@memegazer]

I disagree. The "bombastic" tactics mamamax uses is not the only way to raise awareness and plenty raise awareness without resorting to such tactics, but it is a way to bring attention to himself so I don't believe him when he says he doesn't care about that. It is obvious with the lengths he is willing to go to, and the amount of effort he puts into his persona in his vids, that he very much does care. So I find him insincere and untrustworthy. He is less credible bc he uses such tactics and calls into question how much of what he presents is just for the "showmanship" as you put it.

[@vitaminwater9662]

Hes a disingenuous manchild

[@Dylan-nn3oz]

TomDark is the safest dark channel there is. Tom Darkers unite

[@enclaveherewhyisntyourvide3089]

I’m a proud TomDarky

[@dutchyverse722]

I love Max He's just such a genuine guy and I want to say that this is been the most chill chat about the situation that I've seen so far which I didn't expect so props to all of you for that

[@najadamu2724]

Max and "genuine" doesn't belong in the same sentence.

[@farzeldorf]

@@najadamu2724 oh shut up.

[@farzeldorf]

@@najadamu2724 that’s like how you and the word bitches don’t belong in the same sentence

[@Str8Rippin93]

@@najadamu2724 have you met him?

[@HarleyQuinnSoldier]

After all the recent Max stuff came out this is a good listen to

[@redliteyt]

Max looks like future Tom.

[@partyovone9588]

Nick looks like light haired Tom :ooo

[@shumono3254]

@@partyovone9588 nick (from the thumbnail) looks like teenage Eric Cartman tbh

[@partyovone9588]

@@shumono3254 yeah a bit - hope this artists plays around more with developing character design tho, I assume they're pretty young and still learning and there's potential

[@Gliccit]

on the call to action for larger creators- Cr1tikal specifically said he does *not* support the video because its too inflammatory.

[@doga5899]

Wait so does max's voice actually sound like that? His voice used to be higher, did the videos damage his vocal chords that bad?

[@DireWolfDevil]

He explains this in the video but yes. He had to actually get throat surgery at one point because he had cysts.

[@siren_9174]

He wants to be corpse so bad 😂

[@partyovone9588]

@@siren_9174 it's sad

[@kittylvrxo]

@@siren_9174 ain’t nobody wanna be corpse hes not the first person ever to have a deep voice pls 😭😭

[@siren_9174]

Chris cringy mamamax fan is mad 😂 he wants to be corpse so bad this is why he act like corpse ex and cry about corpse ghost him

[@candacesalim9659]

One of the best you have done. MamaMax, thank you for all you have done.

[@yummystar1102]

"But me and tom are edgy too! I mean tom says the N-word all the time!" 😂😂😂

[@Tokomi]

Still remember toms ksi video of comparing him to a monkey 💀

[@graysome13]

I agree with almost EVERYTHING Max did. The only thing I have a issue is that he didn’t address the right issue. It’s not just about pedos, it’s about ANY dark content being taken down. If he addressed that whole subject in the hashtag, I’d agree with literally everything.

[@CapsuleCorpxz]

Nick doesn't see that the investigative crime side of KZbin is heavily censored. Commentary, in comparison to crime and investigation is tame... and honestly uncompareable. The problem is when a crime or investigation channel is talking about events and has to pussy-foot around ALL the words of the event that occurred, to the point that the viewer almost doesn't know what happened. BUT you can go and watch a normal news network channel on KZbin, they say all the things. They are monetised. They're not age restricted. It's so stupid.

[@nikkired5584]

Great episode & great discussion, I feel like I have a better idea of Max’s intentions after this.

[@Enderrock424]

i feel like nick had a lot of preconceived notions before the show even started and was itching to try to prove his preconceived notions. Max deserves a lot of genuine criticism but Nick needs to chill and think a little before giving the criticism because a lot of it was valid and needed to be addressed but his tone just felt too combative to be genuine. Plus it seems like he misunderstood what max does in general and when given a straight answer he askes the same question later like he didn't already get an answer, I'm talking about what max meant by pick a side where he gave the answer, albeit a little vague, that its more about them policing "dark" content more then some pedos, like miniladd. Half of max's videos are artistic with a message, an extreme one but a message and usually his videos get some progress done.

[@MisogynyMan]

The odd thing about listening to this now, is that, even knowing that he was full on lying about a lot here, Mamamax still seems like a very likable fella, seemed sincere, and almost had me convinced he was serious about all this. How sad. In another universe, Mamamax is an honest guy and is the ruler of youtube.

[@Kat-xm3sf]

I just don’t see a problem with speaking out if you feel you are treated unfairly. I think this whole movement really is just asking youtube to be more clear when they’re hitting channels with strikes or take downs and to be more organized in their approach. He’s valid for feeling angry that his video got taken down for one pixelated ass, when there are literal children’s videos that feature sexual inuendos or other inappropriate things, zoophilia, “naked yoga” videos bypassing the system, etc.

[@Kat-xm3sf]

With that being said, I agree with mamamax

[@Kat-xm3sf]

Sometimes you have to go above and beyond to get peoples attention for problems that constantly get swept under the rug. Also his intentions are set clear and he recognizes what can happen in this situation, he’s expressed all of that so I mean 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@snapchatsnacks3154]

Max probably has good intentions but Nick feels this could hurt alot of innocent KZbinrs. Mat Watson the man behind KZbin wakeup up probably had good intentions but he hurt alot of innocent creators.

[@Kat-xm3sf]

@@snapchatsnacks3154 yeaaa I understand what you’re saying but max said in the podcast that he doesn’t approve of people comparing him to watson simply because his intentions and goals for this movement are completely different and separate from his

[@Kat-xm3sf]

@@snapchatsnacks3154 i get the comparison you’re trying to make tho

[@bestinthesector1875]

I don’t agree with Max really but I have to say he was a very professional and mature guest. Would love to see him on again

[@bigslikesmoney]

it's so weird hearing his normal voice, it's super nice.

[@andromic2824]

It used to be way higher back when he made the “life sucks” videos

[@Guadalajara1937]

@@andromic2824 I still think he had a filter enabled, there is no way a voice gets that deep after just months

[@canonbalroadkil4394]

@@Guadalajara1937 he said in the video he had surgery and it ruined his voice

[@Guadalajara1937]

@@canonbalroadkil4394 damn, he is trying to copy Corpse husband so hard.

[@canonbalroadkil4394]

@@Guadalajara1937 did you even watch the beginning of the video my brother. He said his vocal cords were fucked and he had to get surgery witch permanently fucked up his voice. However does use a voice changer in his video.

[@slxxpyhollow]

I can't believe people in these comments and shit bought his cringe voice changer hook line and sinker lmfao it's so obviously a voice changer, the dude has SUCH a high pitched voice, he's up there with Tom

[@chrissyweikoop7931]

"buT do You hAve pRooF ThAt THis MEthOd WORKs?" dude.

[@loser_jpeg8480]

The video is good and all but god do they interrupt Max so much throughout the video

[@Blackcivicsi1]

45:52 im not sure i understand the argument "no but sexually gratifying to whom". Most people (i assume) dont find pixal characters arousing no matter what they are doing. While i disagree with Max on several points, i think hes right about this. You can say the same for basically any fetish that isnt 'widespread'. You cant take down stuff because a small % might find it arousing. Least i think that was the point, im very mentally exhausted

[@paroxysm8588]

Dark content and edgy content aren't the same. Saying fxg and rxtard isn't exposing criminals and violent offenders. Most people love edgy, not everyone can stomach dark.

[@strangerofthe2067]

I’m really surprised by the lack of comments AFTER everything that happened. There’s some GOLD here knowing what we know now LMFAO, not to mention the infamous clip of “was that a direct result of your video?” Just catching up on some of the classics before the new episode drops tomorrow! 😂

[@nontentsteve7602]

I'm genuinely surprised by the sharpness of some of the questions pointed at Max. I mean, luckily Max kept it levelheaded because you guys kinda didn't.

[@illusionofquality979]

The problem here is that Nick had his impressions of the video so what Max goes, "this is why I did things the way I did," his only response it, "no, I took it that way and your approach is bad." And it keeps going in circles. I'm surprised that Max takes this in such a calm and carefree fashion honestly. And also there would be an issue that Max will bring up but Nick goes, "yeah, that's an issue and I agree there should be a solution but I have issues with your video." Nick and Max would agree on a lot if Nick put aside his impression of the video. There is why during interviews it's good to give soft ball questions so that the interviewee will hang himself with his own rope (if they are actually nonferrous or real clout chaser) once you point out inconsistencies in their reasoning, or even pure hypocrisy. Even if Nick's reasoning has some merit, there is not enough meat to make audience chew on to agree with him automatically when Max's is collected about the whole thing.

[@DT47]

Max seems misguided but not malicious

[@boogerjohnson4442]

Mamamax coming on here to clarify with a cool head is the right move as opposed of @nightdocs acting like a 6 year old throwing insults at Nick on his behalf.

[@subzu2733]

I love nightdocs I really do but the way he reacted wasn't really smart

[@wushiwashi]

what happened? i heard about nightdocs being childlish but i didnt know what was going on

[@incinezilla8237]

@@subzu2733 Yeah what was the situation?

[@subzu2733]

@@incinezilla8237 from what I understand nick was criticizing max and one of Max's friends nightdocs was cussing nick out

[@incinezilla8237]

@@subzu2733 I understand that Max and Nightdocs are friends and that Jym was just trying to defend Max but trust me when I say that Max can hold his own, Jym didn't need to cuss this Nick person out. Hopefully they can resolve things in the future.

[@simonghoul3602]

It's great to see Max talk in his real voice (jokes aside, it bummed out a bit to see he was not gonna use his real voice. His real voice is very nice and friendly, but I guess this is not the subject to act chill about. At least the voice changer does not put his voice that far off)

[@largedepresso4913]

Nick is always trying to grind into someone and takes the the worst most hyperbolic thing away from someone's point in the most snarky way jesus christ, Why is it so hard to understand that it is extremely upsetting when a big video about a pedophile actively hurting children goes down and youtube always has some weird obscure answer to why they took it down, I feel like Max feeling unheard by youtube and wanting to create a domino effect with bigger youtubers with a cleaner reputation to reach out to youtube or make a video so they will ACTUALLY listen is really clear here And yes this does happen to more people than just max like jesus christ how uncharitable can you be, have a problem with someone's point and argue with them but don't do it like this, Tom was great in this though

[@carolusrex5213]

The main issue I had with the video was how he made it super binary at the end, that either you stand with kids or pedos which is very unfair in my opinion. On top of that the ending with calling out other creators felt very dirty as if he was bullying them into saying something.

[@kaled8839]

the rest of the video essentially saying youtube supports pedophiles also makes calling out those specific content creators a call to action that says "if you dont side with me, you are also complicit in the support of pedophiles" which is fucked up, well intentioned as max seems to be. If sad face disagrees with that standpoint, max's audience sure as hell seems to agree that's what max's callout entails, considering moistcritikal and likely a few others are being called things like pedo apologizer, calling the youtubers themselves pedos, and so on. Now with that in mind, it's very understandable why nick is frustrated by this, because max's call to action which he has repeatedly said is to spark outrage is now a means to call youtubers pedophiles, and spread some real misinformation that could damage their careers for life.

[@mdog86]

Yea I only started listening to this cause of mamamax, I've never heard of the other dudes, but the nick guy seems like a total douche to me. They basically had him on to instigate and attack him. Mamamax cool as ever though and didn't let it get to him.

[@isitalwaysero1367]

@@mdog86 they’re aren’t attacking him, it’s nick disagreeing with the method he used and them disguising it with a little banter from nick

[@LluviaAva]

I respect his honesty.

[@rayokay1938]

His response regarding the corpse segment is so fucked up?? He basically said yea to trying to blackmail corpse into helping his cause...even tho corpse doesn't owe him anything. How does corpse asking u to take down a video where both of u accidentally say a slur in result in him owing max a favour?? What in the guilt tripping psychopathy fuck how is that ok?? 35:28

[@rayokay1938]

also him and corpse were never good friends..they collaborated on one video together...that doesn't make them besties for life..corpse doesn't owe him anything..and honestly if I was corpse and our first collab ended poorly I would ghost maxes ass too especially seeing the type of person he is pulling shit like this. Mamamax is sus af.

[@moriahmars1462]

@@rayokay1938 I'm gonna defend max here by addressing these points: 1. Corpse doesn't owe him anything 2. "If I was corpse and our first collab ended poorly I would ghost maxes ass too" 3. Blackmailing/guilt tripping Feel free to disagree w/all these but all I ask is for you to respond in a calm way 1. Taking down Life Sucks - Sleep isn't the reason he believes corpse owed him. I'll basically just reiterate what he's said in the video, but it's all a matter of shitty treatment towards him. Corpse asked him a favor in dms that said "i dont wanna rush you but i kinda need this done soon. Could you leave and come back?" being super self absorbed despite the entire *max's girlfriend in the hospital* situation. And he ghosted max afterwards. This leads into 2. Life Sucks - Sleep didn't "end poorly" at the time. I was a fan of max's Life Sucks series and it was one of its most viewed episodes amassing more than a million views and a very positive like/dislike ratio. They both were more open to saying slurs on their own channels in that edgier era of KZbin. Max wasn't the only guilty party here, even Corpse himself deleted his own videos with slurs in them after the internet developed more awareness and sensitivity. Corpse even said that he didn't know the severity of the word they used back then, so at the end of the day it would be pretty unreasonable for someone to ghost a person after a collab that did well just because both of them had lower standards on responsible speech at the time. 3. Max completely has the right to share his experience here. You're not obligated to shut your mouth when somebody mistreats you in your eyes (lemme say this again, *in your eyes*). You can completely agree with corpse's treatment towards max, but at the end of the day, max was showing truth about corpse's character. Max isn't blackmailing, because he's not threatening to show the public sensitive information, and he isn't guilt tripping either because all he's doing is exposing corpse while giving him a chance to recover from that. Exposing somebody's character is never immoral and neither should it be deemed psychopathic/fucked up lol

[@rayokay1938]

@@moriahmars1462 DUDE WHAT?? NONE OF UR POINTS ADD UP. ur picking and choosing things to make it sound like what max did is ok but anyone with a working brain cell knows it's fucking not. None of those creators owe max anything he cant just call them out and expect them to help him for his own gain. And yea he did fucking publicly blackmail and try to guilt trip corpse. when max was asked about the corpse segment during the podcast he said yea it was blackmail and then fucking laughed and said 'he owes me a favour for removing the video" psychopathic behavior honestly and I'm hoping corpse takes legal action against him for the attempt at defamation.

[@moriahmars1462]

@@rayokay1938 Man it's not like he's threatening corpse lol he just put out information about him and however corpse reacts to it is his own choice. It isn't blackmail by definition and a defamation case can't hold up against max for factual evidence. An invasion of privacy lawsuit might tho (Defamation is literally about spreading misinformation, mamamax didn't do that)

[@rayokay1938]

@@moriahmars1462 if max was even a little bit of a good friend to corpse he would have known about corpses mental issues and extreme anxiety but to go do something like that in his video instead of discussing it through DMs just because he was ghosted bc C didn't want to collab at the time. Max's behavior is shitty and cant be defended. All corpse does is mind his own business and share his art with us and he did not deserve to be included in Max's little 'shitstorm' fuck max honestly.

[@alswisha8519]

Nick simping for youtube

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

I hope that guy actually gets time in prison and not another Romeo Lacoste situation happening

[@DanielleStarry]

Re: Romeo Lacoste - nobody went to law enforcement. These people don’t face legal repercussions if nobody goes to law enforcement. And, sadly, sentences after a criminal conviction can be pretty light. Curtis Lepore confessed and pled guilty, and served no jail time. I think he was ordered to pay his victim a few hundred dollars and go to counseling.

[@StewPac]

@@DanielleStarry If I remember correctly Curtis served no time because he took a plea deal and pled guilty to a lesser crime. In a perfect world he wouldn’t be allowed to do so and would face actual repercussions, but for clarity he didn’t plead guilty to and/or get convicted of r or sa (at least if I remember correctly).

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

@@DanielleStarry for the Romeo stuff I mean that guy should not be able to move to a different platform like tiktok which is what Romeo did once the heat died down

[@TheKillingJoker1980]

Wait, MamaMax's video won't start a discussion??? What exactly are you talking about then?

[@ColtonOfSwing]

Thanks for all you do, Max!

[@strangerofthe2067]

😂

[@YaBoiSneedMan]

I had no idea that max had been around for so long

[@billiam_stoinkgod]

i 100% agree with max's take on just straight up killing all pedophiles. offenders or not.

[@Rileylego-fq6wc]

Mama ur real voice makes me feel like my asthma is acting up and i need to cough up some flem.

[@sozoxd3754]

Great debate. I watch the doc debate with Nick and this one was definitely different nice to see a civilized debate with Nick involved.

[@AliVanSickle]

Why is that Nick guy roasting Max, like calm down dude. I would be offended if I were Max.

[@IHateSmilingFriendsTheTVShow]

Because max has no idea what he's talking about lmao

[@AliVanSickle]

@@IHateSmilingFriendsTheTVShow He actually does.

[@RaptureScore]

Mother Maximus

[@j0hnicide]

nicholas deorio: "you don't have a point!!! what direction do you want to take this movement???" max: *makes a point about how creators are treated worse than celebs* and deorio continues to be sighing and saying "fuck, dude" LMAO

[@SmartAlec1]

...Max literally said he just hopes someone else makes the dialogue. He started random chaos and is hoping it works if someone else takes over. That is what he admitted. That's not an endgame.

[@EnteiFled]

if you go to a debate stream and just start screeching that someone is a fascist and larping with a shank and lead pipe do you think the debate is gonna go anywhere

[@ingridc0ld]

That video was so messy. It did a good job of drumming up controversy, but it really feels like a move of someone who think the ends justify the means. I think don't Mama Max is bad guy but I think he is pretty misguided.

[@ali-uh9gk]

I love the spicy talks but I’m really enjoying this conversation between all of you.

[@Sunshine-tu6cm]

Hate how Nick goes from being hyper-aggressive debate streamer immediately to concern trolling and moral highroading

[@IHateSmilingFriendsTheTVShow]

This aged terribly

[@mrsneed420]

Mamamax pulling a gigachad this episode

[@jeviljuice1633]

Nick was being whiny this episode ngl.

[@dawnggg]

This should be a good one

[@samihamchev9528]

Max should really do the same thing but with Cr1tikal. I think it would be a really interesting conversation

[@canonbalroadkil4394]

He said he did in private on Twitter. And he said Critikal moved to his side

[@samihamchev9528]

@@canonbalroadkil4394 Yeah I saw it. It's good that they came in good terms

[@oposshim]

All y'all in comments owe Nick an apology.

[@subzu2733]

The problem with youtube is that they make content creators the backbone of their website even tho creators make most of their website like why the fuck does bigger content creators have to talk about smaller channels to get youtube to finally talk to smaller channels its fucking braindead

[@GHOULSPBS]

bro nick has been taking L after L, he feel like he used to know how to actually pose a good argument

[@angelsfoodcake9631]

How was any of what Nick said wrong, and if it was an L why did Max agree with him?

[@GHOULSPBS]

@@angelsfoodcake9631 the way he comes across. The agreed a lot more at the end but I feel like nick has been treating these more civil discussions like another debate against a reatard trying to get them to admit to some shit, I still like nick and I haven’t even heard of mama max before this, but as he said. It left a poor taste in my mouth

[@angelsfoodcake9631]

@@GHOULSPBS Okay, fair enough, but that doesn't mean he took a bunch of Ls. I personally found his pushback accurate and pretty fair.

[@koaga224]

I appreciate turkey toms presence here.He keep the interview on track, also I’d appreciate you more Tom if you didn’t use the n word off camera lmfaooo

[@deathmostbrutal]

"Can you stop doing something in your personal life cause i don't like it? thanks"

[@koaga224]

@@deathmostbrutal I’m pretty sure I said I’d appreciate it. Not a demand, and he doesn’t have to. In the same sense, I’d also appreciate if people at Walmart wouldn’t dig there butts in front of me, doesn’t mean they’d stop🤣

[@deathmostbrutal]

@@koaga224 I respect the response

[@rikumajumder1558]

Why? Everyone uses it. It's just a word.

[@xero_super929]

@@rikumajumder1558 then say it in public

[@xExotic]

really quick to get this one out! Pretty interesting hearing Max talk about this situation in a less hyperbolic way

[@jamiejai9667]

I found Nick Crowley and That Chapter both around sane time. And both were at like 30-40k subs and were beyond amazing!!!! Even then in like 2017 or 18.! I was SHOCKED neither wasn't in the millions. Of course I love Max & all the "darker" channels. Muta isn't really a dark channel but he's awesome also!! Love Charlie esp!!! I disagree tho, I think pick a side "children or pedophiles" makes those totally new to this all, maybe they will want to know more and pick the right side. And omg ESP the parents that may have no idea about any of this!!!

[@TheSandwichmann]

Tf where is his Batman voice changer

[@okayspectre]

hentai reviews are based

[@ThroughArbitersandClaws]

Would love to see collabs between max and tom

[@zachjones1716]

Nick's been hanging out on so many twitch panels, he now pulls people in for a podcast with the intention of debating them with prepared points

[@nanosmokex6998]

I've seen Max's videos in the past and he generally cares about getting pedophiles off this platform and in prison but with his recent video I hope he can learn from some of his mistakes and do better the next time he tries it

[@kellybrookes201]

It is concerning I watch the darker content fast because it does get taken down A LOT. Nick says he is edgy??! For real mate, no your not. When people literally have to censor a word so they don't automatically get taken down?! These words are all on dark subjects pedophilia, zoophile, porn ect. It's about time KZbin bit the bullet and employed people to review. Or give incentives for everyone to view and review. Like free months subscription to KZbin itself. Then when red flags are put up it goes to a person at KZbin to watch and take down if it needs. If you review it honestly you get to keep doing reviews if you don't they take you off the review process. You could opt out of it too if you want. Just an idea.

[@najadamu2724]

Max might not be a clout chaser, but I still think he has a chronic hero complex and is weirdly passive-aggressive to other creators (not even including the ones he directed a call to action to in his video). His inclusion of beef with Corpse Husband is still something of a red flag that makes me doubt his sincerity and supposed selflessness in this endeavour.

[@Tanwolly]

Oh look, found the 14 year old Corpse fan.

[@supdograinbarff1460]

Only thing I dislike about this is the part where Max's arms are bending in a weird way right at the end of his sleeves before it meets the elbow

[@Syd448]

I had to leave drama rewind so I can see this I’m too curious 😳

[@jerrylewis8662]

You guys need to stop interrupting your guests

[@Spliiinter444]

Holy shit I’m used to his life sucks voice😩 wtf it’s so hot even now!!

[@Buzzsawed]

Isn't Bowblax also a Canadian musician (famous for his platinum BLM track!) who recently fled to Mexico? I'm recognizing patterns, you should tell Max about him

[@KaynarRuhso]

Great interview/debate! Everyone got to speak and no one was talking over each other. I wish the Jalyn lerix debate went this direction.

[@bigbrothertw]

kinda wished you guys would have questioned him on the technicals inclusion more otherwise great interview

[@jeviljuice1633]

Im confused, what did technical do?

[@Guadalajara1937]

@@jeviljuice1633 he defended a p€do

[@jeviljuice1633]

@@Guadalajara1937 oh. You mean the ZerO thing. Yeah true true.

[@Fredfazbear1983]

@@Guadalajara1937 based since nich and John did exactly the same thing

[@Guadalajara1937]

@@Fredfazbear1983 what? And who?

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

I didn't expect this episode at all

[@helton3425]

55:59 even though this is a casual discussion and disagreement, the entire video feels like... Well, in his words: "blowing smoke"