Halloween II - The Best of the Cinema Snob

[@DarkseidJoshua]

The real reason why Ben Tramer didn't say or do anything to let Loomis know that he wasn't Michael Myers is because Michael crushed Ben Tramers Larynx and put the mask on him which made him act exactly like Michael Myers. Makes sense in the Rick Rosenthal Halloween continuity.

[@drlight6677]

Halloween II was saved by John Carpenter stepping in and doing some reshoots, a few extra scenes (the long town square scene split between two shots and Michael sneaking into the girl on the phone's house) and editors Mark Goldblatt and Skip Schoolnik trimming and removing some truly terrible filler and awful dialogue that Rosenthal filmed (which can be viewed in the tv edit). They kept the film simple and while it's not as good as the original it's still even after the Blumhouse trilogy easily the 2nd best film in the franchise.

[@melissaroszkowski8911]

Your devotion to Ben Tramer is still one of my favorite review gags

[@bentramer7215]

Damn right. I deserve it.

[@randalgraves6979]

😐 #Grady’sBetter

[@madjackel1375]

Have you heard Doctor Wolfula's multiple Ben Tramer bits? They are fucking great

[@omalley2147]

Grady and Ben Tramer we want justice for both!

[@mckill85]

What about Ted Hollister?

[@samuelbarber6177]

Finally, Snob is tackling his trauma from the death of Ben Tramer

[@bentramer7215]

I'm back

[@randalgraves6979]

😐 no you’re not

[@DCMarvelMultiverse]

I laughed so hard when Loomis ran after the wrong person, got the wrong person killed, and caused an explosion. All while the sherriff watches in dismay.

[@JustinStinoStamosZamora42]

Fun fact: Dick Warlock was the cop who ran into Ben Tramer.

[@luismarioguerrerosanchez4747]

"He came out of nowhere!" has to be one of the dumbest lines of dialogue ever, kid was walking on a suburb at a normal speed and then the cop crashes into him at 100 mph, lol

[@JustinStinoStamosZamora42]

@@luismarioguerrerosanchez4747 lmao 🤣

[@ravensthatflywiththenightm7319]

@@luismarioguerrerosanchez4747 Exactly!

[@Flaris]

@@luismarioguerrerosanchez4747 And Ben Tramer was the one called out for being drunk that night...

[@Ally_Whitlock]

This is the real Halloween “resurrection” from the horrors of unnecessary copyright infringement

[@randalgraves6979]

JAIL. it’s back, the review behind the mask.

[@funkyweapon1981]

Ben Tramer should be resurrected next! JAIL.

[@randalgraves6979]

@@funkyweapon1981 he’s fine. 😐 2018 version wiped out his death. #JusticeForGrady

[@disconnected22]

My problem with this being written out of the continuity is: Laurie’s traumatic survival attitude in 2018+ makes a lot more sense if she also survived the horrors of this night.

[@Nicebitoftucka]

Hell I'd argue it only makes sense with all the movies in continuity.

[@charlottecorday8494]

​@@Nicebitoftuckaand you would be right. She was WAY too crazy for what she went through, unless you go with the idea she was always crazy but the first movie never communicated that so... This never should have been a franchise.

[@thomasffrench3639]

Ah yes having a dude kill your almost kill you after you killed him like 3 times is so not traumatic. You guys have been watching too many Friday the 13th movies. In real life 3 deaths is a lot

[@disconnected22]

@thomasffrench3639 I wasn’t saying original Halloween wouldn’t be traumatic. It’s just that surviving this night too (which is the same/next night anyway), a continuation that is just SOAKED in blood, would REALLY fuck a person up.

[@thomasffrench3639]

@@disconnected22 but the original has the best ending in horror.

[@CureOptimismForHumanity]

Every Halloween me and my friends light a candle in remembrance of the tragic death of Ben Tramer.

[@bentramer7215]

Thanks

[@grapeshot]

They definitely went in a more Friday the 13th like style in the sequel. Jamie Lee Curtis spends nearly the whole movie basically on her back. While Michael Myers walking around greatly contributing the fact that this hospital is going to have to hire a lot more people now.

[@bobcobb3654]

Considering the amount of patients they were handling, some of them were already dead weight. Michael Myers wasn’t just killing people, he was solving the hospital’s staffing redundancies. The person who was losing sleep all October trying to figure out how to make Haddonfield Memorial’s projected next year’s budget work finally got a chance to relax. And spend time with his son. Unfortunately, that person was Ben Tramer, Sr.

[@jameslauder3984]

I agree because they fired all the unvaccinated staff.

[@brandonspain12345]

Honestly Halloween 5 felt more like a Friday the 13th movie with Tina and her cookie-cutter teens getting beer for a party, having sex in a bar and dying in the process.

[@LoganSewell83]

@@bobcobb3654 Slasher villains have a lot in common with HR.

[@drlight6677]

I recently watched the deleted scenes in Halloween 5 of that 90 lb punk-looking wizard guy who revives Michael Myers, i can't believe that was the director's original version of the film and even the producers who would greenlight Curse of Michael Myers were like "Wow you need to change this, this movie is stupid hot garbage"@@brandonspain12345

[@bonelessdonutz]

"It's Samhain (sow-en) Dr"., Perfect line for the snob. I hate when people act like everyone should know the pronunciation of samhain, like they never said sam- hain.

[@robotrix]

"Why me?' Because you put the keys under his door mat. Period. Although it's easier to believe that Laurie and Michael are siblings than that Laurie spent decades on making her house the ultimate trap for Michael and never once thought about what would happen if the fire department showed up....

[@laalaag2auntyayag776]

I thought about that a while and I think there may be a simple explanation- that the cops had already called dispatch when they saw Hawkins’ cop car stopped in the middle of the road, and first responders were already on the way before the whole final act even happened

[@Gideon13397]

Halloween II is okay but it cheapened the character of MM by giving him a motive. Halloween 2018 is just a great continuation.

[@gkroll8467]

2018 is woke shite

[@Kawamura2]

@@gkroll8467 how?

[@gkroll8467]

Fire dept what is that ?

[@Rob1976x]

Finally, another best of the Snob.

[@talkinghoorse6936]

Man I can't believe this review originally came out in 2014, it felt a lot sooner than that.

[@ericdraven_9481]

My favorite Halloween review of Brad’s is back! Yes!

[@starblue6tv]

I've have been waiting for this re-upload for along time. Thank you Mr. Cinema Snob.

[@Ghost_Mouse]

Ben Tramer will live on forever!

[@el-kiote]

😫TRAMMERRR!!!!!

[@randalgraves6979]

Hell with him. He got retconned in 2018 #GradysBetter

[@jameslauder3984]

#JusticeForBen

[@hansjuker8296]

We speak his name

[@bentramer7215]

@@randalgraves6979 Not anymore.

[@TheSteamLord]

Finally it’s back!!!! I was so upset when this got taken off

[@vanillabeans32087]

I have a soft spot for this movie, it was one of the first "real" horror movies I saw growing up. Scared the heck outta me. Especially that part when Michael walks right through the glass door. That's when you know he ain't messing around anymore.

[@bobcobb3654]

If they ever decide to go Friday 5 with this franchise, I vote that the killer turn out to be Ken Tramer, Ben’s little brother who was sick and couldn’t go trick or treating that night. Ben left the party early to take a bag of candy to a sick child. Thanks a lot, Dr. Loomis.

[@greenkoopa]

Turns out it was Corey 😀

[@bobcobb3654]

@@greenkoopa as in Corey Cunningham, as in Chuck Cunningham, the older brother from Happy Days who disappeared after one season and was never mentioned again. Nice McGuffin, Corey Tramer.

[@escopeto7849]

Hey, the review's back just in time for Halloween! Thanks, Brad! Great to see this classic with your smooth voice commenting it :)

[@crosscontamination5990]

Thank you for finally reposting this, this is my favorite movie review of all time I used to fall asleep to this all the time.

[@whoknowswhocares885]

Let’s see how long KZbin allows this to stay up

[@stevem9895]

The one that started it all and one of the earliest episodes I remember watching! Thanks for posting. Was nice to rewatch this again.

[@SAPProd]

He’s back! The man behind the mask!

[@randalgraves6979]

🤨 I didn’t hear JAIL. FAKE!!!

[@funkyweapon1981]

JAIL.

[@FrenchPaul1988]

Wrong franchise. 😁😁😁

[@dr.feelgoodmalusphillips2475]

I'm still pissed that this has been written out of the timeline when for the longest time it was the true sequel to Halloween.

[@jtzor5922]

I make it head canon like Snob did as a choose your own adventure book, we got this, another continuation of Laurie, and the Loomis trilogy as Loomis relives Michael's terror in an after death nightmare.

[@dr.feelgoodmalusphillips2475]

@@jtzor5922 I really am starting to hate this multiple timeline crap. It's almost in everything now. Why can't things just stay in the same continuity, it's not hard at all.

[@hybridial]

@@dr.feelgoodmalusphillips2475 It's hard when they have to keep finding excuses to make the same damn thing over and over.

[@dr.feelgoodmalusphillips2475]

@@hybridial Simple solution. Stop making them... and come up with something original and interesting and I wish folks wouldn't be so goddamn gullible and have low standards.

[@BloodFangsBite]

@@dr.feelgoodmalusphillips2475 It's not people having low standards, That's just an insult to the fans. People like the series, so they make more. sequels are the best part of the movie industry imo

[@damonmcfarland9364]

thanks for re-uploading this.

[@CocainBuzz]

No one cared who Ben Tramer was, until he put on a mask

[@bentramer7215]

Laurie cared about me. She even liked me.

[@sharynkelly9116]

Yes! Thank you! Now I can watch the Snob Halloween reviews in their proper order.

[@fullmetalmasify]

All of the halloween episodes are on now here and everything's balanced

[@jtzor5922]

I can finally make my horror trilogy series of Cinema Snob with this, Friday, and Elm Street.

[@Nillon24]

Lol at the security guard still not being "as hammered as Dr Mixter" 😂

[@jacobmatthewcrawford2120]

It's returned! Where the Cinema Snob's obsession with finding justice for Ben Tramer all began!

[@JohnGoetzGaming]

Can't wait to see if Ben is in Halloween Kills

[@el-kiote]

TRAMMERRRR!!!!

[@dimitrescu182]

How is your comment from 2 years ago?

[@jacobmatthewcrawford2120]

@@dimitrescu182 This review was made available early through Patreon. I left a comment at the time and then Brad had to spend two years fighting a copyright claim before he could make the video public.

[@bentramer7215]

Justice for me.

[@JulioLopez-xz5kx]

Couldn't wait for this review!!!

[@moxiemaxie3543]

I've noticed, when revisiting the Halloween series, they like blowing up cars 😂

[@emuenforcer6280]

One of my favorite episodes. God bless you snob.

[@AngelofMusic04]

May the cycle of Justice for Ben Tramer begin again.

[@JohnGoetzGaming]

He may be in the new movie!

[@AngelofMusic04]

@@JohnGoetzGaming I've seen it and will neither confirm nor deny that he's mentioned at one point.

[@bentramer7215]

Damn right

[@RichardWatt]

In Aberdeen, Scotland, they only consider you an emergency case if you're crapping granite bricks that are glowing.

[@coolnerdlll6053]

🎵Halloween night 1963 In Haddonfield Illinois there would be A gruesome case of sibling rivalry Between kids in the Myers family🎵

[@matthewkoch6937]

That's the Halloween version of "the Ballad of Harry Warden" and I dig it!

[@humanwolf1984]

Happy October & Halloween season Brad. 😈🎃

[@CMMalvado]

Yes! Thank you for reuploading this!

[@Brian-qn7fn]

For anyone who cares, my ranking of the Halloween series: - Halloween - Halloween II - Halloween III - Halloween 4 - Halloween H20 - Halloween 2018 - Halloween 5 - Halloween Kills - Halloween 2007 - Halloween 6 - Halloween Resurrection - Halloween II 2009

[@yourfavoritegames4971]

Its back, hallelujah

[@scarletcroc3821]

So happy that this episode is finally back, just in time for October!

[@598superchris]

I think this sequel is more frightening than the original because I felt the original was just introducing Micheal Meyers and this movie was showing he he actually is.

[@baylez4533]

"As you can see, it's a mad house here". 🤣

[@virochanaasura8521]

Artistically, the Snob SHOULD have pointed out that the fiery death of Ben Tramer in the mask FORESHADOWED the end of MM at the end. That is FILM MAKING, people (and Snobs).

[@bentramer7215]

At least I was helpful, from a certain point of view.

[@RedSpade37]

Oh my gosh, after all these years, I never made that connection. Thanks for mentioning! Great example of foreshadowing!

[@KaristaSwiss]

Good thinking wow

[@VerneditheSnail]

Technically Halloween II (1981) took place on November 1st, rather than October 31st. Howard Elrod fell asleep watching Night of the Living Dead, when Norma asked him about his sammich. According to Dr. Dementia's Halloween Horror-thon, the third movie started at midnite (Lindsay watched The Thing at 10 pm).

[@thomasffrench3639]

It would be like the Jedi Knight series. The title would be called Halloween 2: All Saints’ Day. And Halloween 3 would be called All Saints’ Day 2: Season of the Witch.

[@ulrichwolfgang1824]

"That's a whole lot of not my fucking problem!" This got me good!

[@johnmarr2695]

Snob and Dr woflua need to get together and work through their collective Ben Trammer trauma.

[@bentramer7215]

That sounds nice.

[@spicytrash4981]

RIP Ben Tramer. This one's for you.

[@bentramer7215]

Thanks. I'm back from the dead.

[@TheRealNormanBates]

17:04 but Snob… Michael may be a *Riddick* fan, and knows that stabbing someone by the 4th vertebrae is the “sweet spot” right to someone’s heart. Who knew Michael was so romantic. 19:10 that’s an easy one. If Halloween, or Samhain, is about sacrifice and ritual, everything Michael did was to end with her death. Everything was to bait her out and kill her in a weirdly specific way only known to Michael. If you watch the first *Halloween,* he is stalking Laurie (and her eventual babysat kid) from the beginning. He had opportunities to kill Annie (making popcorn or in the laundry room), but only does so when she is trying to leave. Even then, he walks around to the front of the house (when he could have entered through the back), as if he knew he would be seen (or wanted to be seen). Even when he kills the other two, it’s when he was about to be discovered (as if he’s still a child playing hide and seek) and PJ Soles only _after_ she calls Laurie. Even when hunting Laurie, it’s almost as if he gives Laurie the opportunity to fight back, just to make the kill more worthy. I always felt that Michael was possessed by the Void or whatever was in the darkness that Celts sacrificed to some 1500+ years ago, hence the reason he is called The Shape. Michael no longer exists short of stray memories; all he became was the shape of a man, hollowed out to serve the singular purpose of pure sacrifice. A true sacrifice can only be that which you do _not_ want to give up, and what greater sacrifice can there be than your own loving family?

[@moxiemaxie3543]

The University of Chicago hospital wouldn't think the razor blade tongue is an emergency. Ive sat in their E.R for hours watching people bleed out in chairs and sent me home w/o testing why i was vomiting blood

[@cannibalbunnygirl]

Did you ever find out why you were vomiting blood?!

[@declanhandley-byrne4335]

F in the chat for Ben Tramer

[@bentramer7215]

I'm back.

[@declanhandley-byrne4335]

@@bentramer7215 But... how?

[@bentramer7215]

@@declanhandley-byrne4335 Thanks to the retcon of the new Halloween movies, I'm back. I was mentioned in Halloween Kills.

[@arikemeiziii5549]

F

[@DestinyPifer]

You know I worked at a hospital and I don't remember any hot tub down in the basement or anywhere for that matter. Hell the only thing I found was the morgue. lol

[@manhattanhusky]

For hydrotherapy :) my old hospital had one, it was eventually removed because… let’s just say, it wasn’t very hygienic, would cost a lot to maintain as well, was always broken >.>

[@phantomzone2725]

#JusticeForBenTramer

[@bentramer7215]

Yeah, justice for me.

[@randalgraves6979]

#GRADYS_BETTER

[@scottv9667]

7:32 Never Forget

[@bentramer7215]

Ah yes, my only on screen appearance.

[@animeister2332]

Finally! Ben Tramers, soul can rest in peace now.

[@bentramer7215]

I'm back.

[@randalgraves6979]

🤨

[@moshpitmachine]

Also as hospital security I am angry iver the fact that there's not 10 angry former corrections officers wandering the hospital

[@blove88]

It's finally back!

[@Gideon13397]

It's back!

[@Takeshi357]

Holy crap, I completely forgot IMDB message boards used to be a thing.

[@daltongalvin9189]

holy damn ive been wondering where this has been

[@johnnysparkle]

Write What You Know: One common criticism is that the hospital is too conveniently dead, even for a night shift, for Michael to be able to walk around unnoticed and kill the hospital staff. Rick Rosenthal said he based this off a personal experience he had with his wife where they once attended a hospital late at night and it was completely deserted, save for a few doctors and nurses and the patients. Additional early dialogue and the script itself refer to it as "Haddonfield clinic," not a fully staffed hospital.

[@makaveli4205]

Halloween 3 is great. Just so different than the rest.

[@djmexicanodetx2195]

Ben Tramer! 🎃

[@trainspotter360]

I knew this episode existed and wasn't something I hallucinated.

[@chuckeescircus4855]

honey, wake up, a new Best Of The Cinema Snob

[@TheAllSeeingEye2468]

Worth the wait

[@ChristinaHeadley-sk2ig]

How did they not see the bag of candy that Ben Tramer was clearly holding before getting hit by the car and blown up?! They should have known it wasn't Michael. IMO.

[@NostalgiaGuy760]

Wow Cinema Snob You Answered My Prayers In The Comments :)

[@robertpreston2220]

This one and Halloween 6 Producers cut are the best in the franchise!

[@scitechian]

I liked the twist that Laurie was his sister. He spent an inordinate amount of time staring at Laurie for no particular reason throughout the first film - why not give him an actual reason?

[@jonbolton3376]

I agree.

[@RedSpade37]

Well, I think I can answer this, actually, and I hope you'll hear me out; not that I'm trying to change your mind, but I just wanted to share my view on the story: Basically, Carpenter intended the Shape to be a metaphor, and that metaphor is that "Evil can be anyone, and it can go after anyone, even if for no reason at all" Some people take it a step further, and say it's a commentary on the rise of domestic violence in US Suburbia in the 70s, in that, even though you might live in the suburbs and not in a big city, bad stuff can still happen to you, even for seemingly no reason. Also, if we go with "The Shape only kills his family" route, then all the rest of us who aren't his family are (mostly) safe, undermining the first film's ending, that the Shape is still "out there, somewhere, and it could be after you next" But! If we don't look at it like that, and incorporate the sister twist, you could still apply a similar meaning, saying, "Sometimes, our own family members can be the most evil people we know/just because you're related, doesn't mean that they won't hurt you" And if we ignore all the subtext, I think another reason people don't like the sister twist is that it's not exactly done well, but if it was incorporated better (and with better continuity in the later films), it may have been received better. Personally, being an occult nut like myself, if the Thorn plot would have been handled better, I'd probably like the sister twist better. Thanks for reading!

[@randalgraves6979]

Collection Completed bro 😎

[@zandernewson9933]

Classic Snob!

[@alittlebitofhistory]

I'm not the biggest fan of slasher films but since a few of the Halloween films have be dumped in Netflix I thought I'd give them ago I have watched 1 and 2 and now wondering if there is any real point carrying on with them? I know the canon has changed countless times and this film didn't happened anymore but I just feels like it good ending to me (Minus the sister twist.) Is there anything that really stands out about the others or just standard Slasher films from here on out? Not counting 3 of course as its not connected.

[@Torgo-and-the-Lucifer-Cat]

Okay admit it when the mom tells the kid that's bitten into the razor blade says they're going to play games wouldn't it be great if she suggested bobbing for apples😊

[@ManOfEthnicity]

Without fail any time this is on I will make my wife drop whatever she's doing to watch the Ben Tramer death.

[@bentramer7215]

Um, thank you. I guess.

[@stormlavway9857]

@@bentramer7215 I thought you were dead Ben, it's great to know your alive. lmao

[@bentramer7215]

@@stormlavway9857 Thanks to the Halloween 2018 retcon, I'm alive and kicking.

[@DivideandConquerCichlidKeeping]

Gotta get Pumpkinhead trilogy on that Halloween list, Snob 😈

[@Atticus118]

I watch anything Cinema snob i actually watch alot of his older videos over.

[@Parasiteve]

i think i like 2 slightly more than 1 but the first 3 halloween movies to me are perfect. i just really wish we could find out what other anthologies we could have had if it kept going that way. (lol at the R rating for the movie, i haven't seen an R rating in a long time) i also feel like the second movie basically created the razorblade in candy fear. i can't watch the part where that kid goes into the hospital with his tongue fucked lol, i can FEEL it somehow and im just like "NOPE". halloween 2 is a good example of a sequel thats just as good as the first or better. maybe its me but i know if i was laurie id be freaking out, mostly drugged and not able to move properly while the fucker that was trying to kill you 4 hours ago is still trying to kill you. oh and it has the best like opening where michael is walking in the neighborhood and THEN when ben tramer gets ran the fuck over. so many good parts in this movie

[@jacebales2951]

The movie didn't invent the razor blades in candy myth. That has been a common urban legend since the late 60s/early 70s.

[@mikeRedMDK2032]

Couldn't agree more with all points

[@DashingPunkSamurai]

Ben Tramer PTSD

[@chrisbucci5769]

O

[@wopjohn]

19:40 everyone in the car is now deaf

[@TheAllSeeingEye2468]

I wonder if this movie started the whole "razor blade in kids candy" scare

[@leewright1]

God I miss Donald Pleasence.

[@jacobdrolet4262]

Little funny that nurse in the hot tub bath feeling up Michael Myers arms before Michael kills her too 😂.

[@docthemetalfreak]

so did they ever find the dead truck driver guy? hopefully by now they have.

[@reobeem]

Still wish you could review the t.v. version but this is a nice treat. And never forget Ben Tramer.

[@bentramer7215]

I'm back.

[@fantachan102]

I've been looking for this! And I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought that Michael and Laurie being brother and sister was stupid.

[@stormlavway9857]

John Carpenter said he didn't even like that & that he basically instantly regretted it back in 2018

[@moviesquad73]

let us take off our serial killer masks in remembrance of the late Ben Tramer

[@bentramer7215]

I'm back.

[@moviesquad73]

@@bentramer7215 welcome back hero!

[@bentramer7215]

@@moviesquad73 Thank you, thank you. Hopefully I show up in Halloween Ends.

[@stormlavway9857]

@@bentramer7215 #justiceforBen

[@bentramer7215]

@@stormlavway9857 Thank you. Justice for me.

[@Tubbins82]

Over explanation has been the bane of many a franchise. Looking at you Highlander 2!

[@Hiphop4life7083]

The beginning of Ben Tramer's storyline. Lol

[@bentramer7215]

I'm still waiting for my conclusion.

[@georgerodriguez145]

#JusticeForBenTramer. 😥😥😥

[@bentramer7215]

Justice for me.

[@MIN0vision]

19 sec. cut from the original episode

[@CineMasterDamian]

I don't get why everyone thinks Michael & Laurie being siblings is stupid? I always thought it was genius and added to the horror! Seriously, the idea of a member of your own family, someone you're supposed to trust and rely on the most turning on you and trying to kill you is fucking scary and relatable. Not to mention unique. It also explains why Michael went through the trouble of digging up the tombstone in the first film to scare Laurie. It adds more layers to Michael making him a more believable & tragic figure while at the same time not damaging his mystique and even upping his evil nature. I agree in the later sequels they did overplay the family part, especially in Curse and Carpenter has said that he came up with the sibling twist while drunk but I still think it's brilliant and why I refuse to watch the films in this new timeline!

[@bentramer7215]

I'm back!

[@dbsommers1]

IMDB message boards. The most unbelievable thing in this review. They don't exist.

[@thebystander1636]

I have waited for this for years now.. and I feel like you had it at one point, and then it disappeared. Maybe just my crazy brain!

[@randalgraves6979]

I know I’ve seen it before. But it could’ve been on another channel 🤷🏻‍♂️ can’t remember

[@cville991]

11:07 Wait, what? That had to be an error. 😂

[@Tronathon242]

Saying "Every night for Michael Myers is Halloween," makes me think that King Diamond must have seen that tagline.

[@bocowan9106]

I hope Ben Tramer makes an appearance in Halloween ends 🎃

[@bentramer7215]

Me too 🤞🤞

[@randalgraves6979]

As a corpse 😐

[@randalgraves6979]

#GradysBetter

[@bentramer7215]

@@randalgraves6979 Wow low blow. Also, for all we know, I could be Karen's father.

[@cBe9999]

13:46 - 13:57 - how would stepping on a stool help his height? Wouldn't it just squish?