Halloween Special: Frankenstein

[@Lunacorva]

Victor Jr: "I will murder the person you love most in this world!" Victor Frankenstien: "No! I beg of you! Please don't kill me!

[@JaneDoeSignedHancock]

Ha! Also I love that you call him Victor Jr., that's what I'm going to call him now.

[@Lunacorva]

@@JaneDoeSignedHancock I call him that because it speaks a truth that Victor ignored: He had a son.

[@JaneDoeSignedHancock]

@@Lunacorva everyone in my life is tired of my "Victor is a piece of shit" rants. Am I the only one who thinks him and Elizabeth is super creepy? Like, dude that's your sister.

[@JaneDoeSignedHancock]

@@cedartheyeah.justyeah.3967 I know, and I understand, but it still grosses me out. What's messed up is that his parents adopted her planning to marry her off to Victor.

[@cedartheyeah.justyeah.3967]

@@JaneDoeSignedHancock Yeah, that actually probably wasn't normal back then... But at least it's not technically incest if she's adopted?

[@neruneru9713]

"-because he was basically a GIANT NEWBORN BABY, VICTOR." EXACTLY, VICTOR.

[@wandanemer2630]

The creature's Literal first actions were to *smile and reach out to him.* LIKE AN *INFANT* DOES... VICTOR.

[@bl4cksp1d3r]

Fu*king Victor smh

[@jamiel6005]

Wanda Nemer Why did you feel the need to point this out... ouch 😭

[@wandanemer2630]

@@jamiel6005 Sorry... but if I must suffer, YALL suffer with me!

[@catherineblack2438]

WHAT THE HELL VICTOR?

[@thecourtjester2610]

Frankenstein's monster to Victor: "WHEN WILL YOU LEARN! WHEN WILL YOU LEARN! THAT YOUR ACTIONS HAVE *CONSEQUENCES!!* AAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!!!"

[@wardabatool717]

Have you seen that video of Frankenstein vines? Cuz that exact joke is in there too

[@thecourtjester2610]

Yap

[@uchihabomber1296]

For some reason I read that in Arnold Schwarzeneggers voice

[@Fmshtyme]

Eyyyyy, I seen that too!!

[@Flame-rp6yq]

Victor: this is fine.

[@goatplaysguitar]

Wow, Walton really mailed his sister a 280 page novel.

[@RonnieFlare17]

Margaret is at the end of the world’s longest and weirdest gossip chain.

[@melvinfranco2142]

@@RonnieFlare17 Margaret: Let's see if Mary Shelley (an old friend of mine) would like to write this? It's a splendid idea of a read.

[@Winky-Klink]

Hands down favorite part of the book is imagining Margaret back in England just processing all the shit this random letter from her brother just threw at her.

[@Ceruleansquid-lo3iv]

The real mystery in this story is why he has so much paper. What was he planning to do with it? Does he write these long letters to her often?

[@Grimsded]

It's OK I'm sure she loved it. Literally me and my sis sending each other novels of our shit day at work via text. 😅😅🙂🙂

[@helios24601]

I forgot that the entirety of Frankenstein is literally just a long letter written by a man with amazing memory of a story told by a man with amazing memory that involves his sorta-son who ALSO has amazing memory.

[@iqaznili]

You should check the Name of the Wind book.

[@merrittanimation7721]

And Dracula is a series of letters by people with perfect grammar and spelling also with good memory.

[@kevlarman9565]

Runs in the “family”.

[@helios24601]

@@merrittanimation7721 Well letters, diary entries & news clippings. That's always been an issue with me with epistolary novels; like do you really expect us that someone can write diary entries detailed THIS well? I can barely remember what I had for breakfast the day before.

[@jesusbrito5165]

@@helios24601 No, nobody does . Epistolary novels demand some suspension of disbelief, in the framming in the same vein that Modern Family its a "documentary", its just a framing secuence, that granted made more sense in the 19th century, but still. And i am sorry but since its a novel in wich a man with 19th century understanding of biology and technology brings forth a somewhat human creature to life from a quilt of corpses, questioning the realism of the extent of the character's memory, seems like a bad faith nitpick, do you do the same thing with a regular (less creative) 1st person narrator who's suppose to be a mere human talking directly to you very clearly remembering things from years ago? .

[@chocomuffin7433]

“Abandoning your science child to the elements because you didn’t get his eye color right” B-but red _it was a color unlike any seen before_

[@teresaellis7062]

Yes! 🤣

[@kamille286]

I literally just watched that video before this one XD

[@bendystrawz2832]

@@kamille286 Same! Perfect reference!

[@aleenasabu9473]

🤣🤣

[@ThatOneRandomSteve]

Eh, it's not like it was Non-Euclidean. Wait. *Everything* is Non-Euclidean.

[@raikazuchi2516]

As I read it, the monster was TOO beautiful, in that his features were mismatched and unsettling. For example, it touches on his overly perfect teeth, and I kinda get the image of the stereotypical shady salesman who has the way-too-bright and wide set smile. Plus, y'know, the monster is definitely described as having yellow corpse skin that's almost too tight to fit his 8-foot muscle-bound body, so I have to think it wasn't just his eyes that wigged people out.

[@vogonp4287]

By our standards, the creature would probably fit into the uncanny valley.

[@BLS31]

Hm.. So, the monster looks like the emperor from War Hammer 40K?

[@makenziemadison1623]

@@BLS31 heresy

[@lgr9793]

@@BLS31 or your average slaaneshi worshiper

[@ianbyrne465]

@@BLS31 that’s him inquisitor! That’s the bad man!

[@sowhatphie]

Fun Fact: the Creature of Frankenstein is a giant because Victor said working with skinny little veins was too tiresome so he got bigger body parts to make it easier. This of course made his creation much more terrifying as it was a giant.

[@hasturthekinginyellow5003]

I mean, tall people are already kinda scary, so now imagine this hulking 7'11" man with a raven dark mane, pearly white teeth, almost no body fat (so his olive/parchment colored skin looks tight around his muscles) and with really creepy eyes, and tell me that you wouldn't freak out if you saw him at night

[@metarcee2483]

I know several people who work in the medical field, and have had to have my blood drawn fairly frequently. I've been told that large, firm veins are the easiest to work with. I have these veins.

[@melvinfranco2142]

​@@metarcee2483I will use your veins for my own version of Frankenstein's experiment.

[@metarcee2483]

@@melvinfranco2142 that's the most disturbing sentence I've ever heard in my life.

[@melvinfranco2142]

@@metarcee2483 Thank you.

[@Aster_Iris]

Long story short: Victor is ashamed of his first OC.

[@reecelongden3500]

Aren't we all? ;)

[@horseenthusiast9903]

Though only the talented few can physically manifest their first OC

[@IronycheinPain]

AsterOrca He was practically ashamed of ALL his OC's, he killed his second one for thinking she may be a Mary Sue in the future, making the first OC want to kill him. Seriously though, I feel like making a weird fanfic from this story, except it's not a scientist and it ain't Victo-Goth and Sci-Fi. Instead, it's a modern character designer who wants to be famous!

[@mladen7641]

We've all been there

[@cassetteaesthetic6958]

I was ashamed of mine, I know feel bad

[@landobridgeman]

Victor, raiding a bunch of graveyards: “I’ll make a man out of youuuu.”

[@weesalikesmilktea4829]

OOoohhh that's good.

[@fabulousmyriad267]

You must be swift as the coursing river..with all the force of a great typhoon..strength of a raging fire..mysterious as the dark side of the moon. Accurately describes the Creature's disappearing act for most of the book.

[@beccag2758]

😂😂😂

[@toby4514]

Victor, when he turns on the life-anator : BE A MAAAAAANN

[@bonnieallen4124]

(doodoodoodoodoo doo)

[@luminaryprism75]

Mary Shelley really flexed on all of us by writing a classic when she was EIGHTEEN.

[@videogollumer]

Inspired by a nightmare she had, no less. Plus, it was in the early 19th century.

[@geologist1235]

You could take it as the inverse though. The greatest work of Mary Shelley was completed when she was only 18 so she never managed to reach that peak again. Personally, I'd rather only construct my magnum opus when I'm old.

[@anonymousleapyear5616]

you can also take it as an example that you're never too young to write a masterpiece (or make one by other means) and never to underestimate yourself because sometimes all you need is to show it to someone

[@jamesstewart5706]

Maybe the most important take away is that age, old, young, or anywhere between, is not an indicator of competence and capability.

[@zionleach3001]

Apparently the Metro 2033 novel was made when Dmitri Glukhovsky was 18.

[@robinalonso-desouza7245]

I heard a theory that I like, that Victor was designed to mock all the self-centered academics that plagued Mary Shelley while she was in college.

[@rum_coke_17]

That is awesome

[@vitraartist2622]

He's a direct parody of Lord Byron who has multiple books written with him in mind. I don't quite remember the names of the other ones but one was just basically an expose with the names changed. One guy single handedly created the gothic protagonist.

[@metarcee2483]

I completely believe that theory. Lord Byron had a pet bear when he was a student at Cambridge, and he never even had the title of Lord, he just called himself that.

[@liamjm9278]

@@metarcee2483 He was born a noble, that's why he's called Lord. Nobles are called Lords. It became more prevalent when he inherited from another Lord Byron and people just kept calling him Lord so it stuck.

[@Ravus_Sapiens]

As good as that hypothesis feels, I do have one question: are we talking about the same Frankenstein? The one written by Mary Shelly (born 1797, died 1851)? Women didn't go to university then. Heck, less than 40% of women could _read_ when Mary was born. It's a nice, feel-good hypothesis, but it has no basis in reality. The first women's colleges wouldn't even open until 10 years after Shelly died(!)

[@kaitlyn5324]

I need an AU where Victor just goes. “Oh. Well. Okay. Hey all, this is my terrifying son! I made him with science!”

[@confoundedcoconut7500]

And then Victor and Clerval raise him together.

[@life_got_real_boring1482]

@@confoundedcoconut7500 I can live with this AU

[@legomaniac213]

That already exists. Its called "Young Frankenstein."

[@wandanemer2630]

Somebody write that! We need this!!

[@Scarshadow666]

I absolutely love that and would love to see an AU story made (kinda like Young Frankenstein, except very early on, the creation gets his own PhD/education and goes on to help progress more of the Enlightenment Era)!

[@joshuakim5240]

"He died as he lived; casually inconveniencing anyone and everyone and making my life worse." said by Frankenstein's Monster might be the most hilariously accurate description of Victor Frankenstein ever.

[@clayxros576]

Takes one to know one I guess

[@parkchimmin7913]

ClayXros Like father like son?

[@joeahern8960]

Agreed.

[@melvinmerkelhopper5752]

Headcannon time! What if the only reason Victor abandoned him was because he knew it would spend the rest of his life roasting him all the time?

[@kingnothing3523]

Frankenstein WAS the monster all along

[@A_Classy_Phoenix]

Fun fact: The reason all modern interpretations of Frankenstein's monster are green, is because during the era of black and white movies, if you wanted an actor to look very pale, like corpse pale, you would paint them mint green, because mint green translates white in black and white film. All artistic depictions of Frankenstein's monster before colored film was invented had much more human skin tones, until colored behind the scenes photos of Boris Karloff painted green were released, and people thought that the monster was meant to be green, and that image stuck ever since. You're welcome for that wacky anecdote to share at Halloween parties.

[@wandanemer2630]

Look at that! How interesting! Thanks for the info! 💜

[@VegetaLF7]

Similar to how Godzilla wasn't meant to be green at first, he was grey. It wasn't until some of the posters for the films started coloring him green that he started being thought of as that color, a change that stuck once the series left the black and white film world and started coming out in color.

[@Painocus]

@@VegetaLF7 Godzilla was supposed to be black in the original, his skin was supposed to look burnt, and he has never been green in the colour films (except for the first American catoon).

[@Grim_Sister]

The living room of the Adams Family also was painted a particular shade of Salmon to get that odd pale color and lighting.

[@user-kw7mr6xt9n]

ah, that explains why all the walls on sitcoms that transitioned from black and white to color were painted the same odd shade of green...

[@VoidKing666]

I love the detail that Victor slowly is getting more gray hair, more so with the major stressors in his life than the passage of time.

[@thehistorianjt3929]

Yes

[@taelenfl27_]

I don't know where I heard that when Victor met Walton his hair was all gray, but XD, I don't think it's true

[@capperbuns]

Same thing happened to me. Well, not the same, but i do look old af in some areas. Stress is a bitch.

[@earlwajenberg]

Good point. He doesn't *live* long enough to get gray hair by aging.

[@gretablackwell495]

Moral I was expecting: don’t play god, science can go too far sometimes, etc. Moral I got: If you go and make a science son you BETTER love him and take care of him

[@megamike15]

victor is a huge dick for abandoning his monster. i feel more bad for the monster then victor.

[@diegobrando3409]

@@megamike15 yeah. It also seems unreasonable that he did, because he was beautiful, even though he had a lot of scars, he shouldn't have frightened Victor as much as he did. If anything he should have been proud his son was that handsome, but instead he freaked out because his eyes glowed yellow.

[@mostlyghostie]

Or maybe “Don’t Be Victor Frankenstein”?

[@sourpetals1823]

@@diegobrando3409 to be fair in the book it said the monsters face contorted in strange ways, so i think its fair to assume that he looked best when he wasnt moving, and when he moved he was super uncanny valley that said if victor was real, i would beat him up for being a dick to his beautifully hideous son

[@sperenox]

@@sourpetals1823 in an AU where Victor kept the creature: Creature: Dad ma- jawbone- dro'ed out again! Victor: Why did I made you again? Clerval: VICTOR!!!

[@vickidagurk3773]

Victor: "I want to learn how to create life!" Victor's parents: "Well, you see, when you love someone very much-" Victor: "NO THAT'S NOT WHAT I MEANT"

[@wandanemer2630]

But that's what his parents wanted him to do. XD

[@josukejostar277]

Victor: I wanna make life like a lizard by myself

[@d.tsukuyomi1869]

Viktor's parents never gave him the talk.

[@ZephLodwick]

@@josukejostar277 There's a feminist reading of the book where Victor's fault was that he tried to create life by completely bypassing woman. Victor even says, 'No father could claim the gratitude of his children so completely as I should deserve theirs,' and one of his main fears in making his lady-monster is that she would mother a race of creatures who would replace humanity. In general, Frankenstein is a bit of a misogynist.

[@latrodectusmactans7592]

@@ZephLodwick It also furthers the allusions to Greek mythology because that's basically the entire motive behind the story of Athena's birth. Misogynists have always had a lot of angst over women being part of the child making process.

[@myself2782]

I love how the grey streak in Victor's hair gets larger and larger as the story progresses.

[@agungpriambodo1674]

me too

[@raspberrycrowns9494]

Kinda how it represents how he goes madder and madder

[@ndJssFlurt]

@@raspberrycrowns9494 He doesn't go mad, he's just trying to avoid responsibility.

[@raspberrycrowns9494]

@@ndJssFlurt Probably My second guess is Marie Antoinette syndrome

[@ndJssFlurt]

@@raspberrycrowns9494 What's Marie Antoinette syndrome? It sounds interesting!!!

[@BrandonMixon122]

Fun fact: Frankenstein is a last name, so calling the monster Frankenstein isn't actually wrong because it would be it's last name too.

[@keigoftw]

It definitely should have been! >:'(

[@MeepChangeling]

Also "the Monster" has a proper name. Adam. He says so. He chose the name Adam because "I ought to have been thy Adam." So he's Adam Frankanstine.

[@stevemc01]

@@MeepChangeling Fs in chat for Adam

[@bogmummies24]

that wasnt him naming himself, it was him making an allusion to the biblical creation myth with himself as adam and victor as god

[@grenaja]

Henceforth, I'll call him Frankenstein Jr.

[@thedailybullshit4033]

"But as he progresses, he realized something that few authors seem to have internalized: that just dropping a girlfriend in front of a guy won't actually guarantee that they'll get along." I'M QUAKING AT THE ACCURACY OF THIS

[@bendystrawz2832]

"But they're opposite genders. They have to...do the...you know!" _That's not how it works._

[@Levsa399]

Proof that the story was written by a woman who had seen marriages not work out.

[@TheMegannZ]

How you know this story was written by a woman:

[@美美-f1w]

@@TheMegannZ the author's name is Mary Shelley.

[@mango4723]

FINALLY, AN AUTHOR THAT UNDERSTANDS!

[@baharrothbluu]

Doctor Frankenstein entered a bodybuilding contest and realizes that he misunderstood the objective.

[@pineapplefrostyfruits9225]

He never got a doctorate. There is no doctor. Only MISTER Frankenstein and his son.

[@baharrothbluu]

@@pineapplefrostyfruits9225 i feel like "fucking discovering the secret to human life" would get you at least an honorary doctorate

[@bloodstoneore4630]

@@baharrothbluu given how he handled the situation, I would disagree

[@baharrothbluu]

@@bloodstoneore4630 note the degree would be in biology and not parenting

[@bloodstoneore4630]

@@baharrothbluu fair enough, you can get a lisence taken away for shitty handling of a situation, not a degree... or an honorary one

[@Flowtail]

Imagine a version of this story where Clerval shows up as soon as the monster opens his eyes and insists to Victor that they raise him, basically becoming the Good Dad to Victor's Deadbeat Dad

[@wandanemer2630]

To think Clerval was LESS THAN A DAY LATE to the Creation is insane!! He was literally just hours away!! The story would have been SO diferent!

[@molotovmafia2406]

OMG i´m gonna make a comic about this idea, it´s great! *khm* do you permit?

[@QQ-dw9pl]

@@molotovmafia2406 when'll it be out

[@molotovmafia2406]

@@QQ-dw9pl idk, i´m starting it tomorrow... maybe a week or 2 but i don´t promise anything

[@97Multiphantom]

Irina K. Can’t wait to see it!

[@AdamOfIngolstadt]

Victor describing how he created life from corpses:... Victor describing how Safie, the woman he never met, came to know the Delacy's, a damily he never met: OKAY SO HER DAD--

[@battlesheep2552]

TBF, it makes sense that he glosses over how he created life because he wanted the secret to die with him

[@otissupreme7918]

Victor explicitly states in the book that he refuses to divulge the secret, lest someone else go down the path he did

[@MattMcIrvin]

​@@otissupreme7918 I always thought that was clever: Mary Shelley wasn't interested in solving the problem of making up a plausible science-fiction explanation of how to create life from un-life, and her narrator (well, one of them) has a perfectly reasonable motivation for not telling us.

[@rodlurks66]

@@MattMcIrvin most early science fiction writers hand-waved exactly how the key functions actually worked (how a time machine worked, how to create life, etc) but Shelley pulled it of better than most.

[@hiimchrisj]

It wasn't just the eyes. If I remember the book correctly, the monster's supposed to look like a gaunt, jaundiced corpse. But one that has what should be beautiful features, like his proportions, his flowing black hair, and his pearly white teeth. Basically, Victor was upset that his beautiful man, that he made out of literal dead people, ended up looking like he was made out of dead people. He probably should've thought that one through.

[@wandanemer2630]

Seriously tho. That's what you get when you don't refrigerate or preserve your corpses during the year it takes to build your Beautiful Undead Man.

[@Creator_indy]

What was he expecting? he literally stitched a bunch of dead rotting body parts together and brought it to life

[@wandanemer2630]

@@Creator_indy I know, right? What the fuck, Victor?

[@josukejostar277]

So what I wanna look like

[@alienindisguise5546]

Victor: eeehhhhh, from aFar you look pretty Hot but up close you look like a dead guy. fuuuuuuu'

[@Yapscholar]

"Only a _fool_ makes a monster you can't fu-" *_The internet mutters in agreement._*

[@cjyay3449]

Mint Yoongi I hate how accurate this is

[@iceluvndiva21]

Uh no. Only an idiot makes something like that because they don't need to have sex. Plus, last I checked Victor, you used already dead bodies. So I seriously doubt the organs would be able to function even with the reanimation bit.

[@andersonrobotics5608]

@@iceluvndiva21 there no reason it can't function if everything else works like a normal human including higher brain functions

[@chio3380]

... yeah ok

[@kenneth2519]

Even Cthulhu can be hot if porn artist are horny enough

[@randomdude-4353]

Original Frankenstein's monster: I am an intelligent creature! Victor is the real monster for creating me and not owning up to the responsibility of making a living creature! Modern Frankenstein's monster: Oog

[@wandanemer2630]

At least the Penny Dreadfull version is faithfull to both Book Creature (articulate and wounded with long black hair) and Book Victor (dangerously sleep deprived and staved narsissist). So that's good I guess.

[@SquidOSpace]

OOG

[@General12th]

@@torivar4838 Did you, though?

[@chukyuniqul]

@@torivar4838 I believe that if we absolve victor of his faults and mistakes (which are far more than "one failure as a dad") we kinda lose the poignant message of the book. After all, victor was very much a flawed man who tried to play god. And while "don't play god" is a very stupid and childish statement to make when trying to sound deep, "make sure you take utmost care when handling unexplored fields in your science" is a very good subject to take on. Especially because the book makes it a point to show it brought misery to Victor while the costs the others suffered were glossed over.

[@chukyuniqul]

@@torivar4838 To be fair, Frankenstein -I feel-is very much a story without a villain. No character is vile just for the shit of it, the monster is NOT a good person but in all fairness he was taught much worse by the world around him (I feel he was a very stalwart true neutral, in pillock terms) while the good doctor was a self-centered man whose only crime was making human mistakes in the worst possible moments (he was chaotic neutral). Neither of them is wrong or right and they both suffer directly both from their faults and the other's.

[@jurassickaiju14]

9:56 "You made me alone. Make it _right."_ Okay, seriously, that's a great line right there.

[@NecroCritic]

Another fun fact: The books that Victor was studying to develop his theories to give life to his monster were alchemical texts. So technically, Frankenstein's Monster is a homunculus.

[@criticalfailure6464]

So, Victor attempted human transmutation successfully?

[@NecroCritic]

@@criticalfailure6464 Well, it DID wind up costing him everything. Just not directly...

[@criticalfailure6464]

I suppose it did.

[@blueteller]

@@criticalfailure6464 Well, even in FMA *someone* must have succeeded in creating the first homunculus. My theory is that the one who did it died in the process and his partner claimed the achievement. Tch, typical...

[@fletcharn8205]

That has got to be the coolest literary technicality I have ever heard

[@censored4680]

This could have become a sitcom if he didnt abandon his monster

[@CJCroen1393]

I know you were probably thinking buddy sitcom with Victor and the Monster, but all I could picture the premise being was Victor frantically trying to hide the Monster from his perky boyfriend Clerval.

[@qunrcm591]

Some one should make that

[@ariannarichardson7713]

@@CJCroen1393 so like how to train your dragon number one??

[@ninjabluefyre3815]

New in Town Frankenstein's Monster's New in Town

[@qunrcm591]

@@ninjabluefyre3815 I was literally just watching John Mulaney. Are you stalking me? Lol

[@beet8357]

You left out my personal fav/least favorite part of Elizabeth’s murder: how incredibly easy Victor makes it for the monster. After Victor and Elizabeth get married, they spend the night in a hotel. Victor still thinks the monster wants to kill him, so he says to Elizabeth “you go back to the room, I’m gonna stay in the lobby and wait”, which basically just puts Elizabeth by herself in a closed room, ready to be murdered. Way to go, Victor

[@AegixDrakan]

WOW, how did this supposed genius manage to unlock the secret of granting life when he's THAT much of an idiot? XD

[@beet8357]

Aegix Drakan top ten questions science still can’t answer

[@demonguysayshi2666]

@@AegixDrakan Knowing anatomy and having common sense are two very different things. Victor is intelligent, but acts pretty stupidly. Why? He doesn't really have the background to properly comprehend sneaky plans.

[@legomaniac213]

@@AegixDrakan Because while he may have high Intelligence, he made Wisdom his dump stat.

[@wandanemer2630]

@@legomaniac213 There it is!

[@shempai1166]

Im gonna be real with you, Clerval's death was the most heartbreaking event in the whole book. That shit almost broke me

[@GSBarlev]

I remember being devastated at Elizabeth's death when I first read the novel as a teenager. It was one of my first experiences with the Woobie trope.

[@guytowers]

i cried three times this week and two were over clerval’s death

[@Minnie_Stronni]

Sure, Clerval had a sunshine personality and really loved nature, but he also wanted to help the English colonize India and convert them to Christianity. I realize to Shelley, this was probably a worthy ideal, much the same way as St. John's actions are portrayed in Jane Eyre, but that doesn't mean Clerval was actually a good person.

[@guytowers]

@@Minnie_Stronni NUH UH

[@BingoBosnia]

@@Minnie_Stronni Actually, in the 1818 edition on the book it isn't mentioned to be specifically for supporting the colonial ambitions. That was edited in the 1831 edition perhaps because Mary Shelley faced scrutiny for not supporting colonialism at the time.

[@Azzabackam]

"No one can write a story about an unnatural, murderous monster and paint them in a sympathetic light successfully." Mary Shelley: "Hold my tea."

[@nycholaus]

Yes but more like "hold my laudanum"

[@iceluvndiva21]

And thus proves them wrong.

[@leos.2322]

Not so fun fact, Mary Godwin(her name before Shelley) wrote Frankenstein based on her mother( Mary wollstonecraft)'s letters to wollstonecraft's 1st husband Imlay after he abandoned her and Mary Shelley's older sister Fanny, ah and the lightning thing comes from the fact that shelly's deranged husband was obsessed by Benjamin Franklin's electricity and how it affected life, even though shelly thought it could do more than it actually could.

[@Azzabackam]

@@leos.2322 Didn't know that. Ty for the trivia

[@leos.2322]

@@Azzabackam willkommen

[@katjohannessen6009]

"Only a fool makes a monster you can't fu-" Best line ever.

[@wandanemer2630]

HE SAID IT!

[@elirchi9214]

Can you give the timestamp? I can't see it

[@demonguysayshi2666]

@@elirchi9214 11:00

[@anastasianicolaenco4476]

HAHAHAHAHAH I NEVER NOTICED THAT GOOD GOD

[@maucazalv903]

*true*

[@grimtygranule5125]

I just want everyone to realize, Frankenstein's beutiful face (the monster's) is some dead guys beutiful face, that Victor dug up out out of a graveyard.

[@wandanemer2630]

Well... that dead beautiful guy wasn't going to use his face anymore.

[@helena-iu6lx]

@@wandanemer2630 underrated comment 💀

[@josukejostar277]

Yay and

[@bobemmerson1580]

@@wandanemer2630 Reminds me of the story behind Resusci Anne's face...

[@justeundonut-moi.7979]

@@bobemmerson1580 What's that ?

[@WhiteRoseSamurai]

What gets me about Justine's death is that her trial apparently takes at least a week. And Victor just sits on his hands the whole time angsting about how much the entire situation sucks for him instead of... You know. Coming up with a better alibi than "science experiment gone wrong".

[@warrenhillston5899]

You do realise that even if he confesed he had no proof the monster killed William, right? The whole thing is stupid because we are supposed to believe the giant monster was able to wonder around Geneva completely unnoticed, stumble upon a rich kid, kill him without anyone seeing anything, somehow sneaking into the Frankensteins' house and planting the necklace in Justine's pocket and run all the way back to Ingolstadt to dramatically pose during the storm tu hunt Victor. I love the book, but a lot of things fall appart at the least bit of scrutiny.

[@akirachaossuta]

@@warrenhillston5899 What annoys me most is that is should be obvious Justine didn't kill William, compare the size of the hand print bruises on Williams neck should be enough to confirm she wouldn't be able to do it.

[@Jewls2]

@@warrenhillston5899Justine wasn’t in the house, she was in a barn

[@hirnlos9462]

@@warrenhillston5899 Adam Frankenstein didnt run back to Ingolstadt. The jerk Frankenstein saw him just prior to arriving home in Geneva. But he does have no prove that Adam Frankenstein was the murderer other than seeing him exists in the general area, after having not interacted with Adam since his creation.

[@raptormage2209]

He also runs away from the court, exclaiming how in anguish he is and how he feels worse then Justine.

[@xavierdaassassin8786]

"you can just not put her reproductive organs in" this is LITERALLY what my entire class said when we were talking about Frankenstein during my senior year in high school, everybody clowned on Victor for that

[@koolmckool7039]

This still leaves the possibility that the monster and his bride wouldn't get along. This is still equally terrible.

[@MeepChangeling]

@@koolmckool7039 So what? Just keep making them until you have one that works. The other huge prefect women can go to Brazil and be Amazons :D

[@koolmckool7039]

@@MeepChangeling By George man, do you want a bunch of Incredible Hulkesses walking around?

[@koolmckool7039]

@greatest greg Oh my.

[@koolmckool7039]

@greatest greg The fun kind.

[@thedailybullshit4033]

Here's a little sidenote: Justine was actually only about 14 years old. Victor let a CHILD take the fall for what was essentiall his crime that led to her death. Yeah. Good job, Victor. You truly are a bastardly piece of work.

[@wandanemer2630]

Hmmm. Are you sure? From what I had read she was at least as old as Elizabeth, if not a little older. She had moved in with the Frankensteins at about age12, I believe, and had been there for a while by the time Victor went off to college. And Victor spent almost 6 years there! But either way, Victor continues to be an irredeamable piece of shit for letting an innocent woman, A CHILDHOOD FRIEND OF HIS, ALMOST A SECOND SISTER AND HIS FIANCÉ'S DEAREST FRIEND... WITHOUT SAYING A SINGLE WORD TO DEFEND HER *AT ANY POINT* BEFORE SHE WAS EXECUTED LIKE A GODDAMN MURDERER, REPUTED BY EVERYONE WHO KNEW HER IN TOWN AND ABANDONED BY HER RELATIVES... even after Elizabeth suffered horribly for both hers and William's death... all he worried about was how SHE AT LEAST HAD THE PEACE OF MIND OF KNOWING SHE WAS INNOCENT, WHILE *HE* HAD TO LIVE WITH THE GUILT... SO *HE* WAS THE REAL VICTIM HERE.

[@Stormkrow280]

@@wandanemer2630 what COULD Victor have said though? “The creature I made from spare parts and animated killed my brother and framed this girl” yeah that’s a one way ticket to an asylum.

[@adlirez]

@@Stormkrow280 he could just have a caricature of the monster drawn, tell the judge that the person with this face is the one who did it, and then have the authorities do the rest Unfortunately Victor’s imagination is as wild as a brick wall so he didn’t come up with that idea sooner

[@Ty17V]

@@wandanemer2630 How old was William then? Cause a 12 year old girl killing anyone an adult, especially considering how, at the time, they probably figured women were weak.

[@insertchannelnamewheee5848]

@@Ty17V Victor was an adult, and he had two brothers: Ernest and William. It's mentioned that Ernest was 7 years younger than Victor, so William may be like 8-10 when he died

[@joshuakusuma5953]

Mary Shelley wrote an iconic science fiction book at 18, I'm just here looking at internet memes.

[@state_song_xprt]

Mary Shelley lost her virginity on her mother's grave. You will never be as goth as Mary Shelley.

[@BumbleCrumble1072]

Okay

[@zennim125]

wrote THE iconic science fiction, first novel that the plot is derived from science and charles darwin (yeah, THAT guy, you know, the natural selection one) not only read the book, he commented how it would be possible to be factual in the future, how creating artificial human life just to hammer it in, SCIENCE FICTION WAS PIONEERED BY A WOMAN

[@Missrena1000]

Joshua Evans-Lowell really?

[@hleghe810]

there was more unexplored stuff back then. But we're just in time for dank memes at least!

[@alannisalarcon7648]

How to describe book's Victor Frankenstein?: 40% scientific intelligence 1% Other types of intelligence 9% Impulsiveness 50% Anxiety

[@erebus53xy]

... sounds like your typical Autistic scientist to me....

[@possums154]

i'm frightened and confused at the fact that you've basically described me. should i be worried? if yes, should i avoid going to college so i don't repeat his mistakes

[@ALJ9000]

@@possums154 You can go to college if you want, just don’t get involved with reanimation or equivalent fields

[@GSBarlev]

There's a reason why people draw comparisons between Victor and, say, Robert Oppenheimer.

[@baonkang5990]

High INT low WIS character

[@Revenante_of_Asylum]

Frankenstein in a nutshell. "I immediately regret my decision."

[@vogonp4287]

"I just did a bad thing I regret the thing I did And you're wondering what it is Tell you what I did I did a bad thing"

[@Revenante_of_Asylum]

@@vogonp4287 Poetry. :O

[@ThatFanBoyGuy]

Everybody with me: "Knowledge is knowing Frankenstein isn't the monster; wisdom is knowing Frankenstein is the monster."

[@bugra6798]

This gem of a quote ^

[@jaferalyhooda310]

@@bugra6798 I actually think it's a bad quote. Victor Frankenstein is a shitty dude all around, but Frankenstein's Monster murdered no fewer than three people and framed a fourth for one of those deaths, leading to her death. The monster is not the dumb brute so often depicted, the monster is incredibly brilliant. He doesn't get off the hook because he has daddy issues, mofo is still a seriel killer with a vendetta.

[@alamrasyidi4097]

That's some neat comment dude

[@James-hr3yh]

@@jaferalyhooda310 I see your point, but consider this: the Creation knew nothing but scorn, abuse, and loneliness from creation to death. He was kind and compassionate for longer than most humans would be: paying back the Delacy family with chopped wood and manual labour for the food, for example. He craves human connection. He was unfortunately shaped by circumstances. Victor Frankenstein was a narcissistic, self-centered dude who pittied only himself even in situations that had absolutely nothing to do with him/affected others way more, like when Justine died and all he could focus on was how bad *he* felt, ignoring the feelings of those around him, like Elizabeth. He can't even fathom the monster killing anyone but him leading up to his wedding. Look at their final moments: Victor is almost raving, probably not thinking clearly, but he tries to get the Captain to make the same mistake as him, going too far in the name of science, despite telling the story to prevent that in the first place. He renounces all claim of guilt and responsibility for his actions, saying "I am blameless". The Creature on the other hand regrets the choices he'd made. He doesn't make excuses (I think, my memory is a touch fuzzy). He accepts blame for things that were his fault, and says he will kill himself in a way that destroys his body to ensure that no-one makes the same mistake as Victor by stumbling across his remains. Also, I would argue that Victor is very much to blame for the actions of his creation. For one thing, it's *his* creation. He didn't take responsibility, he didn't allert the police right away, or try to actually do anything with the creature once it rose, he abandoned it. Parents are held partially responsible for their children's actions, and that concept applies even moreso when it comes to such an irresponsible parent as Victor.

[@kaylahensley1581]

Cool motive. Still murder.

[@sourced4]

Honestly, I wouldn’t mind a sort of modern retelling of Frankenstein where Victor is like, a modern college student going threw is quarter life crisis and Frankenstein’s monster is like a startup he’s really into making.

[@Fanimati0n]

You mean kinda like the Re-Animator?

[@sourced4]

MagnetoDorito Ah yes.

[@shashwatsharma2596]

I give to you "Facebook".

[@canaisyoung3601]

That's what The Social Network was, wasn't it?

[@billuraral1870]

It actually exist. Check out the webseries "Frankenstein MD." Its made by the guys behind The Lizzie Bennet Diaries, and its the most accurate Frankenstein adaptation I've ever seen.

[@Av-Arrow]

It’s hard to understand without reading the book exactly how much time Victor spends random fainting or getting sick whenever things are getting interesting

[@scream-7719]

Man too much

[@Doodles-es1ep]

he’s described as “feverish” for so much of the book it’s surprising he doesn’t have brain damage

[@ilikesniffingpaper]

It’s a mood and it’s hilariously tragic

[@syzygythenightwing2]

tbh hes just the genevan raskolnikov

[@MirthandirRose]

Name a better duo than the Victorian era and wilting protagonists who listlessly faint onto a nearby mound of pillows

[@abc-qh5fc]

The general consensus in the comments is Clerval deserved better, and honestly yeah.

[@JaelinBezel]

And Justine, right?

[@aishwariyaroy1636]

Clerval really did deserve better tho.

[@Levsa399]

Henry Clerval and Justine Moritz deserved better!

[@zoemalone5769]

while studying this me and my friends quoted that part a LOT

[@krystencabbage1032]

"How can I create life?" You know, for all his science that he studied, maybe he should've taken a sex ed class...

[@bethperforms6191]

Krysten Cabbage My thoughts exactly. Well, or it was uterus envy :)

[@jean-paulaudette9246]

Ew, that's an old-fashioned crap-shoot...it's SOo 1750!

[@Grim_Sister]

Him and Frollo from hunchback of Notre Dame. Relax, dude. You’re not being seduced by the devil. It’s just a boner

[@bryngeiger7695]

I just had to read a script of Frankenstein for my acting class, and on their wedding night Victor tells Elizabeth that he created life with science, and her response was essentially "well don't you want to create life with me?"

[@thornless_flora]

@@bryngeiger7695 Now *that's* a good pick-up line!

[@UwU-xk5cx]

The three basic classical monster are werewolves, vampires and Frankenstein’s monster Mummy: Am I a joke to you?

[@awkwardbirb5710]

Maybe it's a lack of me reading or watching much media (I mostly play games), but I don't ever recall mummies ever really having any feelings or personality. They seem to be more or less zombies, but with toilet paper all over.

[@UwU-xk5cx]

Awkward Birb zombies are the mainstream version of the mummies

[@jacobevans489]

In short? Yes.

[@coldchary]

@@awkwardbirb5710 its cloth not toilet paper

[@nemtudom5074]

*Skeletons ribbing in the distance*

[@pepperbytez8128]

I find Frankensteins monster to be one of the most tragic and depressing characters in fiction. He was born only to be abandoned by his creator, his ugly appearance giving him no chance to get sympathy. From the beginning of his life he was treated like a monster and had to figure out the most basic of survival skills. The worst part is he got to observe what a loving family looked like and learned how to feel sympathy and compassion, only to have no one every give it to him in return despite his attempts to make a connection or act in kindness. He has no identity other than him being a monster that no one likes and is truely alone in the world. Not only does the creature KNOW what he is missing, but he KNOWS he will always be alone, all while fully emotionally aware of his inner torment. He makes the awful decision and kills his creators family purely for revenge and realizes at the end he has truely brought nothing but suffering upon the earth he found beautiful, thus fulfilling his status as a monster, and giving him no chance for retribution. Parts of his self loathing monologues have actually been relatable to me when I had depressive episodes, so it really hits hard.

[@GSBarlev]

Also imagine if growing up you only ever read three books throughout your whole childhood and one of them was _The Sorrows of Young Werther_

[@magnusbane420]

​@@GSBarlev Ah, yes, the book that was so popular with young English lovesick men who had no chance at winning their love hearts, so they killed themselves in the same way as the protagonist and left the book on the nightstand so often that a law was passed to ban the book. No wonder the monster was so overtly dramatic.

[@ghouling1111]

See, I don’t see it as revenge- it’s war. It’s for survival i. From the eyes of a being that’s been brutalised and he starts fighting back.

[@dabbingperson9236]

So the moral of the story is “Be a responsible science parent dammit”?

[@garlic_bread180]

yes

[@Attaxalotl]

*WHEN WILL YOU LEARN! THAT YOUR ACTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES!!!!!1!!!!ELEVEN!!!!*

[@voidify3]

I like to think that Victor isn't the first random stranger whose autobiography Robert Walton has transcribed in its 200 page entirety to mail to Margaret. I mean it's definitely the WILDEST but i feel like when Mr Saville came home the day the book arrived the interaction went a little bit like "whats that stack of 200 loose sheets of paper dear" "mail from robert came" "ah classic robert"

[@wandanemer2630]

You know what, I agree.

[@flipflopzthreeonethree1873]

You know what, now I want to hear more about the strange people who wound up in the arctic for this guy to write letters about lol

[@arcanelore3791]

I ADORE this headcanon.

[@thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527]

He does a lengthy bio of the captain he hired in the Prologue

[@R.444-]

I like to imagine an alternate tie in/spin off novel where it’s just Robert going on constant stream of consciousness tangents during his time on the ship, like Ishmael

[@vfugjjhfuyft]

I love how in this kind of stories following Frankenstein, with a lesson "don't defy god/nature with science - it will inevitably end in tragedy", the tragedy is always totally avoidable, likely caused by arrogance and not the act of defiance itself, or is just plain incidental. While the moral of the original story is closer to "take responsibility for your science".

[@wppb50]

With a supplementary moral of "RAISE YOUR GODDAMN KIDS, BYRON."

[@lord__pasta]

Plus with the add on of don't be an asshole to your creations and loved ones.

[@Dirtyblue929]

TBF, arrogance/pride/viewing oneself as equal or superior to God _is_ one of the seven deadly sins. The lessons could thus easily be interpreted not as “science is bad and against god” and more “be humble when you’re doing science”, which is a pretty good one.

[@vfugjjhfuyft]

@@Dirtyblue929 It is a good lesson but, I feel, a tad simple for the times. At their best, those narratives teach us to be humble and cautious with power that, if misused, is dangerous. At their worst they teach that the power is too dangerous to begin with. Either way, they treat us as if we are weak, and will become powerful some day soon. And they teach us that once we do become like gods, the best course of action is to relinquish that power - to burn the lab, to break the amulet, to give up the artefact to the government - either because we misused it, or just because we "aren't meant to wield such force" or "are not ready". It is treated as the right thing to do - to retaliate. But that is not really an option - to a degree, we have already become like gods. Whether we like it or not, people will become powerful, and if one gives up their power, another one that is less cautious will take it. For once, I would love to see a narrative where playing god does not result in a catastrophe but instead just complicates the world. Even though that would be less dramatic.

[@lord__pasta]

@@Dirtyblue929 I agree to what you say, but I think that, along with yours and HOUND project, it could also be that since God wanted whoever in heaven (thus, they died), and Frankenstein just decided to rise the dead, it is kinda against God. But yours does make much more sense.

[@volrag]

I found Frankensteins' monster yelling "Woob woob woob" after killing Elizabeth far funnier than I should have.

[@Ace_011]

I honestly would’ve laughed so hard if Frankenstein’s friend just drunkenly became best friends with the monster when he tried to murder him.

[@Wasabi-rs5lv]

Somewhat feel like making an AU where the monster talks with Clerval before trying to kill him and actually gets the respect and affection he needs in the form of a new friend, causing him to live a somewhat nice life instead of trying to get back at Viktor.

[@rachaelevans8351]

Wasabi 0013 please do

[@Sztefa001]

@@Wasabi-rs5lv I... I need this AU... I NEED THE SUNSHINE FRIEND TO SHARE THE JOY WITH THE POOR BAB

[@wandanemer2630]

YOU KNOW WHAT. THAT IS A FUCKING GREAT IDEA AND NOW I NEED IT.

[@redwitch12]

Clerval: "D-dude, you look--" Monster: "Terrifying, yes, I know--" Clerval: "--LIKE YOU COULD USE A DRINK, MAN!" Monster: "W-what?" Clerval: "Let's hit the pub circuit and get fucked up! It'll put some color in your face!" Monster: "What is this I don't even" Clerval: "WOO!" * FOUR HOURS LATER * Monster: "--and then my creator just ran away screaming!" Clerval: "Dude, that's... that's just... it's terrible... you deserved so much better. Have another whiskey, it'll be okay." Monster: "I BELIEVE YOU"

[@reaganp.1654]

Honestly, I relate to Mary Shelley here: sometimes you have no fucking clue how to tell a story so you just keep making stories in stories in stories and forget how to wrap it up because, oh yeah, this all started with a guy writing letters to his sister and became a tale about an egotistical college student/dead-beat dad.

[@wandanemer2630]

There's some evidence that Mary Wrote the whole thing in a really short time, more likely in a creative rush all in a row, only looking back to make some corrections here and there, later. I think it's more like Scheherazade in 1001 Nights! That woman made shit up as she went on every night for 3 years and in the meantime she became queen and saved who knows how many lives.

[@GoukaRyuu]

@@wandanemer2630 Actually, Mary, her husband Percy, and Lord Byron were holidaying off of Lake Geneva. It was, however, 1816 and is known as the Year Without a Summer. They spent most of their time in doors telling German ghost stories to each other and Byron suggested a contest where they all write their own. Byron's was never finished but is one of the earliest English lit vampire stories.

[@lundylow]

This was the first book I had to read for school that I liked. I remember my teacher talking about the idea of Frankenstein's monster going "mngrahh, mnngrraahhh!" in the movies and referencing that in the book it was infant baby noises coming out of the throat of a newly created grown man, essentially looking at his creator and going "dada," looking for comfort and affection. And then... the rest of the story happens.

[@anthonydelarosa]

I could see that working in a new film adaptation.

[@greenisthedevilscolor784]

Well, truth be told, the convieniently adopted fair blonde and perfect Elizabeth was an addition of the rewritten edition of 1831. She was originally simply Victor's cousin (and is in fact still referred to as cousin) whose mother (Victor's aunt) died and her father begged Victor's dad to take her in 'cause he wanted to go get it on with some Italian lady. It was changed because even at the time, the incestous implications made some readers sqeamish.

[@thekinziechronicles5218]

That's a really interesting point, could I get your source so I can use it for my school essay?

[@herosmith5662]

the kinzie chronicles You can probably find it somewhere on the web pretty easy, but if you have access to the 2019/2020 US Academic Decathlon Literature Resource Guide, it's in there.

[@thekinziechronicles5218]

@@herosmith5662 Okay thank you!

[@greenisthedevilscolor784]

@@thekinziechronicles5218 Let us know how the essay went, when/if you've done it! Hope the sources were of help.

[@thekinziechronicles5218]

@@greenisthedevilscolor784 I got a 92/100. This teacher grades harshly. I worked on the essay almost all month.

[@olotocolo]

"you know that kid who is too advanced for the rest, but as soon they test into new school they are blindsighted by the fact that everyone ther is jsut as smart as they are and they are no longer de facto smartest kid in the room, and it sends them spiraling into crisis of ego because they no longer knwo wh they are anymore?" OOF That hit too close home...

[@VandanaSingh-zr9ji]

Me too

[@discountplaguedoctor88]

I ran into a case of it in high school.

[@billuraral1870]

Too real man, too real

[@unholyscreeching3342]

*Me when i first went to secondary school*

[@emblemblade9245]

Funny enough I basically knew that was coming and just settled for being average. This isn’t universal advice of course! But it worked for me

[@justanotherperson6317]

13:08 “Clerval exists, and deserved better” *YES* *YES HE DID* *>:’(*

[@autisticdancer]

AMEN!

[@AKHT11]

AMEN!

[@theblaze5530]

AMEN!

[@vyt2622]

Reading this book as a teen, I definitely sympathized with the creature, as most do (he is written sympathetically!). But a recent re-read really highlighted how similar the two are. I feel most people would have an "Oh, come on man" reaction to Victor's ego when he complains that his guilt was actually worse than Justine's innocent execution. I don't see as many readers talking about how the monster's "actually killing all those people made *me* feel bad, so checkmate" speech is the exact same thing.

[@sinvector8020]

Victor's scientific hubris created the Creature, but it was his own treatment of it that created the Monster.

[@alexandresobreiramartins9461]

And that's because he creates him based on modern scientific views but judges him based on medieval views. The conflict in Victor's mind is the conflict between modern and medieval worldviews.

[@TheSchuyler75]

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[@TheSchuyler75]

2025

[@TheSchuyler75]

Beautiful articulation 🙏😇

[@TheSchuyler75]

Wrote your words and name...you will be quoted a lot in the future

[@emilyh7971]

Frankenstein was written during the European Romantic period, which focused on the inherit goodness of man, the beauty of nature, and the connection between man and nature. In romantic literature, fire usually symbolizes knowledge. In Victor's case, he let this fire rage out of control with his insatiable thirst for knowledge. But the monster quite literally learns to control it, and gradually grows to appreciate something that had previously hurt him.

[@wandanemer2630]

It's also such a subversive piece of literature for that time! Like slap in the face, really! To have a born-innocent Creature being pushed into becoming a violent and vindictive murderer by the heartlessness and neglect of a narcissist, irresponsible Creator, and a society of people who judges, attacks and hates anyone they deem as Evil. It's not an optimistic story about the angelic Creation of Man, only reflecting the best virtues of Humanity, as Victor wanted... but rather, the Creation is as Man would have *actually* made it. Capable of kindness, intelligence, sensitivity, love and compassion... but also of cruelty, envy, hate and great violence. The Creature *had* beautiful feats in him, and great strengths... but his full on appearance was so disturbing that Victor simply couldn't bare to look at it! That is the reflection of Man that Mary Shelley made. That was her message to mankind. Neither Victor nor the Creature were born good or evil, and both had potential to so much greatness... Victor had an eviroment full with love, encouragement and oportunity, and in a world so unequal he had pretty much ALL THE PRIVILEGES. And yet he destroyed it all, all by himself. And the Creature was "born" with quite literally nothing, and was kind and caring by nature, but his surrounding destroyed it all, no matter what he did. The way Mary Shelley protrays humanity as a whole in this story is heartbreaking and real, even more than two centuries later. It doesn't deny the inner goodness of humans like other more cynical works might, but it's not a hopefull message about the triunph of Good. It's a Tragedy.

[@jennifercavenee7572]

"You can just NOT put her reproductive organs in" "THERE'S NO TIME" Like, bruh. That will literally SAVE time. XD

[@James-zr8vi]

Not unless he's using the entire pelvis of some woman's corpse, meaning that the removal of the reproductive organs would take more time. Also, maybe he should have considered the fact that corpses are generally infertile?

[@emmanuelpena2228]

@@James-zr8vi i mean, corpses are also generally dead, so maybe the process that brings them back to life also makes them fertile

[@lordfelidae4505]

@@emmanuelpena2228 he really should have done this with rats like a proper scientist.

[@josephperez2004]

There was a neat book in I think 3.5 Edition D&D that went into some ideas for crafting undead and such. One such feature was a method of preserving recently dead bodily parts to the degree that they were still functional as living body parts. I remember this because my brother created a story about a necromancer who brought back the body of their lost love and was having a child with them. Creepy realizations and moral arguments ensued.

[@kuphine]

@@josephperez2004 That's really cool ngl

[@towerofignis]

Intelligence is knowing Frankenstein is the doctor. Wisdom is knowing Frankenstein is also the monster.

[@hoo-ra-ah]

Knowledge is knowing Frankenstein isn't the doctor either

[@thenumber27issomehowtaken]

No, true wisdom is that they are both monsters. While the monster's existence is tragic, it is not a justification for all that he has done. Also, despite the fact that the Monster hate's it's own painful existence, it wishes to create another one of it's kind. Even though that perfect monster wife would live a life just as messed up, painful, and lonely as his own.

[@templarw20]

The Creature is not the monster. Frankenstein is.

[@lukeskinner7900]

@@templarw20 killing people is bad impo

[@warrenhillston5899]

@@templarw20 The monster is certainly the monster. He's the one who actively chooses to murder several people just to exact his petty revenge. Victor doesn't actually kill anybody and blaming him for the people the monster kills is as absurd as blaming a killer's parents for birthing the killer.

[@mr.dr.genius2169]

This is the "It was considerd a human killing monster but we made it into sexy humans with superpowers (vampires,werewolves,etc.)" rule only in reverse.

[@elizabethh.9556]

I like your name

[@donatodiniccolodibettobardi842]

Paradise Lost is the originator, though.

[@ShadowWolf1307]

Exactly what i thought at the end xD

[@KarcharodonAstra]

Nobody important Witches apply to the same reverse rule as this.

[@namingisdifficult408]

Donato di Niccolò di Betto Bardi perhaps

[@driveasandwich6734]

Let's be honest, if Victor made a beautiful man from the "finest parts", this is just a 'modern day' Galatea. Frankenstein's monster is the first husbando.

[@iceluvndiva21]

True. Though I like the Galatea story better. Something about a sentient corpse just freaks me out.

[@whiteraven181]

This is simultaneously the most cursed and delightful idea I have ever read

[@merrittanimation7721]

Promethean the Created does both.

[@guccerice1162]

Victor was the first monster fucker

[@wandanemer2630]

@@guccerice1162 Agreed. Or the first since the Queen of Crete.

[@nick012000]

"I'm alone *and* friendzoned!" "I'm alone *and* this creep thinks I owe him sex!" LOL.

[@tabletaussendienst2721]

Lol

[@agungpriambodo1674]

Laugh out loud (btw i'm not old just for saying it like that)

[@clayxros576]

The fact victor had a single unselfish brainwave that making a female and assuming shed like him shows he actually could have fixed things if he stopped being a blasted jerk. And that he was amart

[@maggie406]

Lol

[@nycholaus]

@@OriginalAkivara or do as I do and don't stop licking her until ALL the sugar is gone.

[@ChaoticDecoraterCrab]

the sister having to read like three full life stories from a letter she expected to just be a couple pages about her brother is the funniest thing ever, girl is going to get her mail and finds three encyclopedias worth of someone else’s business

[@ishanafondekar6334]

The fact that this story scared the piss out of Lord Bryon just makes it more fun to read

[@traviskopplinger3515]

"Do you want a tombstone that says He lived for centuries or do you want one that says For centuries he was alive"

[@ishanafondekar6334]

@@traviskopplinger3515 "return to the gutter"

[@lissaquon607]

I would like to think part of that fright was a bit of unrealized recognition. Byron was sort of a self absorbed dick and Shelly using him as a base wouldn't be out of possibility.

[@ishanafondekar6334]

@@lissaquon607 might be a subconscious thing since Mary dreamt of the whole thing and then wrote it. It’s plausible ig

[@VivaLaDnDLogs]

I love how many times Red throws in the Byronic Contemplation shots. References!

[@orionsbelt25]

I like to think that everyone around the Frankenstein family (so including Justine and Clerval) are really nice and sweet people who would help an old lady carry groceries to her car, and Victor is the exception who's like "If anything I do has 1 consequence I'm not dealing with it ever"

[@ShadowZealot7]

Honestly I like how Shelley just glosses over exactly how Frankenstein made life, because she didn't try to make up some stupid explanation (like lightning striking and not incinerating corpses). It also makes sense since after all the trauma the process caused him, I doubt he'd tell some crazy dude in the Arctic how to make the same mistake.

[@sonic8005]

Especially while the guy he met is taking notes. Like in the "oh okay are you getting this down?" point. I've seen people write short stories which pretty much lose context when somebody tells you to specifically NOT do something that they explicitly explained how to do... or to specifically never say something that you've probably been saying out loud during the course of the story potentially XD

[@madmyth3985]

Well if I remember correctly Robert actually asked him how he did it and Frankenstein essentially replied,”bro, are you crazy?! I ain’t telling you that cuz I know your dumbass or some other dumbass you tell might try replicating it and severely end up fucking shit up”. And Robert basically replied,”yeah, not gonna deny I’d be pretty tempted lol”.

[@wahlex841]

@Mad Hatter I've read it not so long ago. I can testify. It's actually one of the themes of the story, how Henry and Frankenstein are alike, and how Frankenstein warns him not to follow his passions blindly. In the end this is why Henry chose not to prosecute his journey when the ship got stuck.

[@blue-eyedfangirl8760]

that actually makes sense, cause if Victor was traumatized by this event, usually the brain shoves it into the deepest, darkest parts of Trauma Hell to be forgotten, so Victor either CAN'T remember or just really, really doesn't want to

[@mikaelac.6515]

Actually, it is loosely implied he uses electricity to bring the monster to life. Earlier in the book there's a storm and the teenage Victor (who had already taken a slight interest in galvanism) witnesses a tree that's struck by lightning and destroyed, and contemplates about how the lightning could give both death and life. It's super subtle, but it's there

[@perrilewis180]

Now I want a version where Victor is an dumb doting parent. "This is my handsome boy." Edit: Look, Ma, I'm famous

[@mafic3351]

So, basically the plot of The Powerpuff Girls?

[@alexconn7473]

Well it's not about victor himself but I think young Frankenstein counts

[@TJDious]

Then it becomes the same story except little Frankie talks like the goth kids from South Park.

[@ghostiieeseason]

if clerval doesnt get in on the action i don't want it

[@mitchfletcher2386]

@@ghostiieeseason Clerval is obviously the fun uncle

[@npc6817]

how in hell are vampires the ones who got sexualized instead of Frankestein and his monster? vampires are just cold bloded murderes, intrinsecally evil and/or literally Satan. on the other hand we have a young tormented doctor and his creation, a tall, hot man with weird eyes and a dark, hard life. the fanfics just write themselves! edit: 2.6k likes? It was a lame joke, I don't want to be remembered as the guy who was into Victor Frankestein homoerotic fanfiction...

[@raspberrycrowns9494]

Plus Victor literally had a "friend" that took care of him when he was traumatized and got into a 2 MONTH COMA when he found out Clerval died

[@yeethittter1285]

@@raspberrycrowns9494 otp

[@npc6817]

@Instrumentality1000 ever heard of the twilight franchise? That's what a vampire is to the general public nowadays. Frankenstein 's creation is more simpathetic sure, but its still just an animated fleshbag at the end of the day.

[@wulfgarkonarhik2922]

look up the fate franchises version of Frankenstein. trust me they do sexualize him or in this case her.

[@cobaltCarnivore]

Wulfgar Konarhik Babbage protests

[@danielvasquez3391]

The “scary” eyes you gave Frankenstein honestly made him pretty hot

[@tanyanikolaevagizdova6571]

Frankenstein's monster.

[@JaneDoeSignedHancock]

@@tanyanikolaevagizdova6571 seriously? You know he is technically a Frankenstein. He's basically Victor's kid so he would get Victor's last name.

[@stormthanatosokami4221]

@@tanyanikolaevagizdova6571 there is a movie about this type of Frankenstein's monster where he fights demons with gargoyles....weird I know but it is a good movie it is called i, frankenstein

[@tanyanikolaevagizdova6571]

@@stormthanatosokami4221 It's a fun movie. I've watched it.

[@tanyanikolaevagizdova6571]

@@JaneDoeSignedHancock That has never crossed my mind but it does make sense.

[@CSLucasEpic]

I'm not sure the book describes the monster as beautiful but with creepy eyes. The eyes are creepy, yes, but the book also states that the skin of the monster is pulled so taunt that the features are almost immpossible to see and one can even notice its veins under it. Also, my favorite part of the book will always be how the monster describes what it was like for him to see and feel everything for the first time. The way Shelly portrays it its amazing.

[@apenasmaisumdiogo.7115]

Yes! The monster seeing the moon was pretty cool

[@tanyanikolaevagizdova6571]

Red also describes the monster as" viscerally disturbing " .

[@cblake4111]

While I do enjoy Red's observatory nature and funny musing, there's something at the end she doesn't really acknowledge. At the end of the book, Victor urges the captain to be a better man than he was. When the monster appears, the most impactful thing is that the monster realizes that in doing all the horrible things it did, it realized that all it did was leave itself alone, and now it is even more miserable than Victor ever was. It kills itself by exposing itself to the blizzard outside so that not only does no one in the future know of its existence, but also in doing so to prevent anything like it from being made ever again. I'm not sure why, but for some reason Red seemed to breeze past this.

[@vaerthelmn5287]

I always interpreted the Monster's final speech as more of a desperate attempt to make Walton understand him. He KNOWS that he's become the monster everyone expected him to be but he wants to at least make Walton understand that he didnt start out that way. So he's making a plea for his past self.

[@sflaningam7680]

The moral of the story is: when you create life, however you do it, you're responsible for that living being and how it's life ends up. The real monster was Victor for being a terrible father.

[@sarahmccausland7035]

Book Frankenstein: Extremely intelligent and eloquent speaker, pale with dark hair, goth bookworm Pop culture Frankenstein: Big green man that grunts unintelligably

[@ForrestFox626]

I wish society took more influence from the book.

[@Udontkno7]

Which is honestly more accurate if you just electrocuted a hunk of dead meat :(

[@voidnerdvs7660]

I vote to make a movie as close as possible to the book.

[@jadenbryant9283]

Isadora Lotti there is the 1994 movie

[@parallaxnick637]

Odd thing is, he wasn't supposed to be green. The green makeup was just to make him look pale in black and white.

[@karalarson7552]

It is interesting to note that while Victor has not accepted responsibility for all the horrible things that have happened, he recognizes the self-destructive behavior that led to it in Captain Walton, and he tries to dissuade him from his path.

[@hunterlawrence3573]

I noticed he seems to accept a lot more responsibility at the beginning of the book, but then it steadily decreases as the tale goes on. When William and Justine die, he calls himself their murderer and it’s about 40% self-loathing. But by the time it gets to Clerval he still thinks it’s his fault, but spends far more time blaming the monster. Then when Elizabeth dies he blames the monster almost completely and pretty much glosses over his own guilt. It’s kinda odd given that this is all a story he’s recounting to Walton. Shouldn’t he be accepting more responsibility as it goes on, and he slowly comes down from his revenge fueled hysteria, rather than the other way around?

[@pandemonium8420]

​@@hunterlawrence3573 I think that is the point though. As the story goes on and after he meets the monster he realizes it isn't a mindless thing lashing out because he abandoned it, it is an intelligent being purposefully killing his loved ones to hurt him. A mindless creature he created and didn't stop is his fault. A cold, cunning murderer is out of his hands.

[@hunterlawrence3573]

@@pandemonium8420 Yes, but he isn’t narrating the story to us as it happens. He’s telling the entire thing to Walton after the fact. So, when he’s telling Walton about his brother’s or Justine’s murder, he already knows that the monster purposely killed Clerval and Elizabeth to hurt him. He just hasn’t reached that point in his narration yet.

[@Archfiend_Sushi7746]

"Sunshine friend, Clerval." "Victor attempts to create the worst mistake of his life but with boobs this time." Your humor is just my perfectly sweetened cup of Tea XD!!

[@akirachaossuta]

Henry Clerval definitely deserved better. Literally finished this unit in English and moved onto Hamlet. But the only character that I actually felt sad about dying was Clerval. Defiantly the bested tot friendsz

[@johnnyawe1469]

Press f to pay respects to Clerval.

[@Ace_011]

It would’ve been so funny if he was so drunk when Frankenstein’s monster tried to kill him, he didn’t realize he was about to be murdered and they just became best friends.

[@viktor681]

I love how in the list of interestng facts in the credits the last one is just Clerval exists he deserves better. i mean seriously how do you get tthan Clerval exists?!

[@keroessa3079]

...I wish I had lessons like Frankenstein. Did you know, I'm a highschool sophomore, and Im learning the ant and the cricket? I wish we had interesting topics like you do.

[@janaterbio8010]

Is it bad that I shipped Victor and Henry?

[@darqjade]

"because he basically a giant newborn baby, VICTOR!"

[@horseenthusiast9903]

MovieJunkie ForLife *Victor...*

[@TheSchuyler75]

555 likes 😂

[@VAKYRIE1435]

I seriously love how his hair gets progressively more white as the story goes on

[@thehistorianjt3929]

Yes

[@kingaxolotl4085]

It’s to reflect how Victor is becoming more insane as time goes by

[@oscarramirez2697]

​@@kingaxolotl4085also it shows how stressed he is as well

[@Scaevola9449]

_The male characters in your videos are too pretty for their own good._

[@stellabat9152]

yesss

[@lesliesnow3791]

Hades and Lucifer is a great example.

[@draxiss1577]

I . . . think she has a Type.

[@r.r815]

@@draxiss1577 honestly the best skill is being good enough at drawing to draw your preferenced body type of whatever you're in to

[@MaxEverywhereSystem]

Victor’s hair is my aesthetic

[@legateelizabeth]

*Red talks about how going to college and finding out you're not "The smart one" sending you into an identity crisis* ... Red I came here for summaries of literature with your awesome voice and drawings, not question my own existence. ;_;

[@bridersurris904]

Yep.

[@jackbennett9970]

Questioning? That was describing mine!

[@namingisdifficult408]

Jack Bennett RIP

[@ShaolinPretzels]

College is what made me think: “My God, I was such a try-hard in high school.”

[@The-toast]

Oh shit looks like I'll be fine for college considering I'm a borderline genuine idiot.

[@purplehaze2358]

“Crimes Against Nature 2: Electric Boogaloo” is an absolutely glorious quote.

[@Karak-_-]

* Don't *

[@Aaa-bi8ly]

‘Ihgt, I’ll go tell Gil’s puppy to add a few more things to that list

[@AskMia411]

More like “crimes against nature 2: electric boobaloo” am I right??? …. I’ll see myself out

[@Excelsior1937]

@@AskMia411 “Victor prepares to recreate the biggest mistake of his life but with boobs this time.”

[@AskMia411]

@@Excelsior1937 Exactly!

[@leahharlow1940]

“-biggest mistake of his life but with boobs this time.” Best quote I’ve heard all year

[@thehopesystem3795]

"In just seven days I can make you a ma-a-a-a-a-an" That said, the "creepy eyes" are likely because there is like 0 way to preserve eyes well enough to make them not look dead.

[@I_am_somebody_1234]

specially with early industrial revolution tecnology

[@inactive2909]

Red: "...vampires, who, despite having their image revamped..." Me: Wait Me: ReVAMPED Me: OMG

[@benjaminklaassen4722]

*Please* tell us that pun was intentional, Red!

[@joeahern8960]

That pun better be intentional, I want it to be intentional

[@shmoogersgoml2437]

i know that Frankenstein is the doctor and then his monster is usually specified as not Frankenstein, but i like to think that since the monster was created by the doctor, the monster is kinda Frankenstein's kid, therefore surname Frankenstein. so i let it slide when people get in technically wrong

[@wandanemer2630]

That's okay. Still, however, Victor's not a doctor. He droped out of college in like his second year.

[@elirchi9214]

Victor isn't a doctor. He's a college dropout. Should be called Mr. Frankenstein

[@camchameleon4151]

victor purposefully didn't give his monster his last name because he was too disgusted

[@vogonp4287]

@@elirchi9214 So, if the creature goes to college and becomes a doctor, he would then be Dr Frankenstein?

[@elirchi9214]

@@vogonp4287 The creature would, if only Victor actually liked his creation enough to give it his last name.

[@sneakysnek572]

Victor, you chose your corpse son’s parts yourself, including his eyes. That’s like assembling your own sandwich at a restaurant and flipping out when you taste the ham that YOU PUT ON IT

[@voidfloof]

My brother in christ you made the artificial life

[@aerinhinton964]

It fits into the Romantic aspects of the book (Romantic as in the art movement, not romance). Romanticism was very big on emotion, nature, and creativity. Victor completely ignores any aesthetic implications of his craft because he's dichotomized science and the arts, completely ignoring the latter, and it has consequences. There's also some interesting gender implications there, because Elizabeth was the one that was super into poetry, nature, and the arts.

[@kawawangkowboy9566]

"Victor prepares to recreate the biggest mistake of his life, but with boobs this time." This is making its way into my everday speech.

[@tylervirts9064]

It’s so hard to stay mad at these characters when they’re drawn so adorably

[@marshroverv5632]

Has anyone else realised - Frankenstein falls in love with his adoptive sister, and then Frankenstein's monster, who calls him his father, asks him to make him a bride, who would in that case sorta be his sister, making that two cases of technically-not-incest in one book.

[@GlitchDoctor]

*_Technically-not-Incest is Wincest_*

[@AnimeAngel88]

Marrying an adopted sibling isn't incest. No blood relationship. It's just... weird.

[@xeno4445]

@@AnimeAngel88 that's why he called it technically-not-incest

[@quinnsinclair7028]

I feel like the writers on the Flash must be a fan of this book.

[@stormcloudsabound]

Well, the monster is basically Victor Frankenstein, but under different circumstances. They both think having a bride will help them (Victor to get him out of his "funk," the monster to cure loneliness), they're both incredibly clever, they both insist that the real tragedy is how they personally were hurt (though I'd argue the monster was a little more right to argue that....just a little), and your point--among others I'm forgetting. You're right in that that's a weird coincidence, but I don't know if it IS a coincidence. Whether or not it was meant to be written that way, the two are practically the same person, but Victor doesn't have another Frankenstein breathing down his back making him that way. They're both affected greatly by their given circumstances but at their core, they're very much alike. (I'm probably not the first one to analyse that in that way but I'm just discovering it, so there.)

[@Puru719]

The hair truning half grey and the art the way of explaining is amazing to the finest details

[@CelesteWright-ul4rb]

that is actually somewhat realistic as stress and exhaustion can cause grey hair

[@kalr5325]

"Victor was an awful man" *proceeds to draw Victor as A REALLY HOT DUDE* "Frankenstein's monster had HIDEOUS EYES" *proceeds to draw hot monster eyes* i mean im not complaining tho-

[@TheAustronaut03]

ye red does that often once in a greek myth episode she describes a huge terrifying multi headed snake creature and the ways she draws it is "mermaid but snake instead of fish"

[@SCP--mw7tx]

victor was a really hot dude from what I understand though

[@justafallperson2108]

Yeah, Red likes to do that.

[@burnv664]

I look exactly like how she draws Victor so hell yeah

[@DayDreamsofaStranger]

All I can think is if only Victor started out with a trial run with a dog or cat or insert animal here, instead of a human. I think that might have worked out a bit better for him. Actually, on second thought, the cat might be a little freaky in the context of 4:53.

[@Kaylee-Bear]

It probably wouldn't have freaked him out as much, seeing as that's just a cat thing to do

[@styrbjornlindberg9105]

I must defend Victor Frankenstein for not speaking up in the court case. How would it sound? ”Yes, honorable judge, i claim that i created a giant beutiful man with horrible eyes, who definately killed William since the man obviously hates me.” ”No, i’m not just a college dropout! I’m the man who first created life like our almighty lord above - and let me tell you that the amount of byronic brooding i have had to do as a result is staggering! What do you mean you want evidence?! Is not my noble heritage and trust enough for you?”

[@williamcollum4748]

Sayem you make it sound like that people would believe him right off the bat. "Little boy was murdered and a locket he had on him is in this woman's possession. Makes sense. Wait someone claims that a man he made did it." Just because there are superstitions doesn't mean that everyone will believe Viktor. Also it took Viktor a year to make the monster, to give life to a rat would take longer than what the court would allow for a "crazy" man to prove her innocence.

[@banaroklionrage9536]

or he could just omit the fact he created a monster, "i know the man that did it, i met him yesterday and is a enemy from my collage years that attacked my brother to get back at me"

[@williamcollum4748]

Banarok Lionrage he could have. The only problem I would see is them taking the monster into custody. Everyone would know the moment they saw him, something is was up. But he could have done that.

[@vienowo]

He's *not* guilty in......no one's case, because he *did* create the monster, but I understand *why* he didn't say anything

[@levongevorgyan6789]

And hey, atleast he was smart enough to STOP. Herbert West, a REAL jerk, didn't stop, and he created actual flesh eating monsters.

[@wjzav1971]

So, the entire plot happens because Victor wants to create life but when he does, he suddenly figures that he is not willing to actually nurture and raise this life as a responsible dad. Almost makes me want to see a version where Victor tries to be a good dad to his monster.

[@nelsonchereta816]

When I read the story Victor never came off as a bad man. What he was, was a WEAK man. He kept wanting to do the right thing, but every single time he was scared off or it was too hard for him. I did find him sympathetic as I saw him as a basically good man who got himself way, way over his head and just couldn't bring himself to do the hard things that were necessary. As for the monster I actually felt sympathy for him too. One important detail that got left out here, Victor's brother, the first person he ever deliberately harms. After being constantly rejected and attacked and abandoned he approaches the boy trying to befriend him. He STILL just wants to be accepted. But the boy is scared and mentions exactly who he is, at which point the monster pretty much snaps and decides to get some pay back. Yes, he knows murder is evil, and he is deliberately cruel. But it's hard not to sympathize at least a little when literally not one person he meets shows him even a scrap of kindness.

[@BluePraetor]

Nelson Chereta Victor is weak, yes. That tended to make him even worse when I read it. Weak men have always done far more harm than bad men

[@coolshava]

To be fair, William was a right little snot who pushed all of the monsters buttons about not having a father figure...

[@josephdavis9234]

Sayem Well... Who would've thought Moral Luck would be so thoroughly supported here.

[@levongevorgyan6789]

Slim, you are wrong. Just as the horror wrought by Herbet West eclipse the mistakes of Victor Frankenstein, so do the cruelties of evil men eclipse the mistakes of weak ones.

[@occasionalart]

Well that blind man was still nice, but I think that's supposed to mean that we usually judge people based on how they look. Not being able to see a person makes us usually more accepting, or less depending on the person.