Halo Infinite has a Serious explosion problem

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@alobowithadhd6191
@alobowithadhd6191 2 жыл бұрын
I hope 343 can add the “instantaneous acceleration” tag to projectiles. A ton of issues would be fixed with this in mind. Gravity hammer worked by creating a damage volume in front of the player with a high instantaneous acceleration variable to knock everything back. The sniper had a high value too, this is noticeable when a headshot causes the ragdoll to push the head back to do a backflip.
@alobowithadhd6191
@alobowithadhd6191 2 жыл бұрын
The tag in question was added to a ton of elements in the Blam engine. It does exactly what it says. An invisible sphere would spawn inside exploding vehicles. Things clipping with this sphere (the debris, dead driver, dropped weapons, etc) would be launched away from the sphere by adding velocity to everything according to the instantaneous acceleration tag. All damage effects have at least a tiny bit of IA. This is why shooting things in the Blam engine always responded with it moving.
@Splarkszter
@Splarkszter 2 жыл бұрын
@@alobowithadhd6191 Yeah. in the multiplayer and in various aspects of the Game feels like 343i doesn't know what halo is. Well, from halo 4 they clearly said they don't know what halo was.
@joshfoustcommunity8928
@joshfoustcommunity8928 2 жыл бұрын
Bad ass, and really good detail!😊
@rickygforce4217
@rickygforce4217 2 жыл бұрын
@@Splarkszter You see, your comment overrides the OP's genuinely well-made and constructive points, with a nonsensical emotionally-driven pastiche of shallow statements parroted around by the ill-informed of the Halo community.
@shotgunsideshow8958
@shotgunsideshow8958 2 жыл бұрын
@@rickygforce4217 well said.
@AlayoAgua
@AlayoAgua 2 жыл бұрын
The worst explosion in this game belongs to the phantom. A blinding white screen and, well, no debris... Very disappointing.
@devourerinthemist
@devourerinthemist 2 жыл бұрын
Not to mention that the animations on the phantom are just as bad as they were the 2020 july demo.
@gifthorse3675
@gifthorse3675 2 жыл бұрын
Same I want the Halo 3 explosions
@FelisImpurrator
@FelisImpurrator 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. It just flashbangs you within a completely arbitrary range, and if you move about a meter away it just blows up in the usual lame way.
@stevemc6010
@stevemc6010 2 жыл бұрын
and then there's SPV3 where they had to code the phantom to duplicate into three destroyed sections when it blows up because of how limited CE's engine is...def a disappointment in Infinite.
@iKiwed
@iKiwed 2 жыл бұрын
@@devourerinthemist Yes the animations seem to come from Halo 5 Warzone Firefight.
@commanderwyro4204
@commanderwyro4204 2 жыл бұрын
i feel like instead of going with graphically pleasing explosions and detail. they put all their effort into the red dooms day alarm that tells you something is about to blow. then it just pops and vanishes and thats it. in old halos you didnt need a red light to tell you when to leave. you knew the hog was about to blow up when it was on fire and missing most of its armor
@ethab57
@ethab57 2 жыл бұрын
343 prefers hand-holding the player
@themindfulmoron3790
@themindfulmoron3790 2 жыл бұрын
@@ethab57 It's called player feedback, and EVERY good studio does it to some extent. It's just competent design, not hand holding. Every legendary FPS anyone ever talks about has design choices made with this in mind.
@sw4g465
@sw4g465 2 жыл бұрын
@@themindfulmoron3790 exactly, also people would complain if they made it the old way anyways (the ghost flipped the fuck out before exploding, in which animation it was un drivable making the doomed concept pointless)
@zacharyhoman3597
@zacharyhoman3597 2 жыл бұрын
sw4g not exactly, the ghost first explodes, then flips about, then explodes again. Also I think that most halo fans would prefer the old way anyway, as halo has tend to like the mechanics that made halo more unique, such as how many long time halo fans didn’t like when hit markers were introduced in halo 4, and preferred how in older games instead you knew you were landing hits because the enemy players shields would flare up when taking damage
@MoeruOkamii
@MoeruOkamii 2 жыл бұрын
What I cherished the most out of classic "doomsday" was the risk you knew you would take still driving the vehicles- deciding whether you want to take advantage and get greedy with juuust a few more kills in a Scorpion or Ghost, or if you wanna bail early and fight it out on foot. All you needed were those visual hints. the new doomsday feature feels more "controlling", forcing players to get out- hell, even AI Elites in campaign which is pretty meh.
@DGCpicturesEntertainment
@DGCpicturesEntertainment 2 жыл бұрын
7:54 I literally played a match in Infinite today and destroyed a Ghost and one of my buddies went up to it only to realize that it was destroyed. It's sad man. 🥺
@skurblord3401
@skurblord3401 2 жыл бұрын
This happens to me all the time. Honestly all art decisions aside they need to make the destroyed vehicles look the part. Add fire, break them into more pieces. Make them look like something you don't want to get in.
@AlayoAgua
@AlayoAgua 2 жыл бұрын
I thought I was blind or something lmao happens to me all the time
@DarthFolo
@DarthFolo 2 жыл бұрын
I've done that at least 3 or 4 times with the ghost in particular.
@ChangerofWays-Tzeentch
@ChangerofWays-Tzeentch 2 жыл бұрын
@@DarthFolo yeah they need to add plasma fire to the ghost but first stabilize the fucking of version please
@briamsito4171
@briamsito4171 2 жыл бұрын
This happen to me XD, the first time i play the campaing, i saw a ghost, and i was sl happy to drive it but it was destroyed XD
@Dahkeus3
@Dahkeus3 2 жыл бұрын
Vehicles about to explode in Infinite look a lot like NES/SNES era bosses getting low on health. They just flash a weird red color. It's so bizarre.
@nomercyinc6783
@nomercyinc6783 2 жыл бұрын
It’s for one reason and one reason only it’s to show whe the vehicle is Immediately going to explode. It’s only for a moment
@MrMindCloud
@MrMindCloud 2 жыл бұрын
So the player knows when the vehicle is about to explode so they can jump out.
@emykumbalek2330
@emykumbalek2330 2 жыл бұрын
@@nomercyinc6783 we know what its for ,,,, he's saying its outdated thats all
@HyunMoKoo
@HyunMoKoo 2 жыл бұрын
GTA 3 back when had much natural yet very noticeable que for imminent explosion. Car will start to spit flame and black smoke comes out. You can do better than red flashing imo.
@TheNobleFive
@TheNobleFive 2 жыл бұрын
@Alex Luca Halo has used spewing fire and smoke in past titles to indicate severe damage. It works fine.
@51TD0wN
@51TD0wN 2 жыл бұрын
I still like Halo Reach's explosions, I remember the giant assault explosion fondly. It's always been a problem in 343 era Halo's not just Infinite, so I respect that you pointed that out.
@fattlebieldproductions3198
@fattlebieldproductions3198 2 жыл бұрын
Why not 3s?
@TheRealLazyEntrepreneur
@TheRealLazyEntrepreneur 2 жыл бұрын
@@fattlebieldproductions3198 I mean Reach’s is the next iteration of 3.
@zacharynyberg7007
@zacharynyberg7007 2 жыл бұрын
343 has struggled in all halos on many fronts. They have had successes. But enough failures that I honestly don’t know why I even bother.... swore infinite was gonna be different
@egghead6513
@egghead6513 2 жыл бұрын
@@zacharynyberg7007 so true!! mediocre explosions are absolutely game ruining. literally unplayable
@tyranus1111
@tyranus1111 2 жыл бұрын
@@egghead6513 no sorry grappling an explosive barrel to me and spiking it at at brutes face or a whole squad of jackals saves it
@Fizzsama
@Fizzsama 2 жыл бұрын
"You hold Halo to too high of a standard!" No. I just hold Halo to the standards set by games from literally 15+ years ago. It's not my fault that I want them to do better.
@yaboihergesvonbergundy4555
@yaboihergesvonbergundy4555 2 жыл бұрын
Every 343tards' go-too response when you make a good point. It's like... yea, I don't like seeing the series I grew up with downgrade in so many areas compared to what they marginally improve.
@tiger_lord305
@tiger_lord305 2 жыл бұрын
Literally have not seen one person say that.
@Buglin_Burger7878
@Buglin_Burger7878 2 жыл бұрын
Sadly people say "Things have gotten harder with better graphics so you're still being too hard on them." We are regressing and it is sad.
@LR_Bushido
@LR_Bushido 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly I'd never notice until he called 343 out. so how would even 343 know if the large majority of players didn't. nobody talked about it until this
@axle1717
@axle1717 2 жыл бұрын
@@LR_Bushido I would imagine they would notice if they had eyeballs
@Crush3dI
@Crush3dI 2 жыл бұрын
Kind of ironic that you didn't show the worst of all: the nonexistent phantom explosion. The game just turns bright white and the phantom is gone.
@elijahmckenzie9207
@elijahmckenzie9207 2 жыл бұрын
This was my most disappointing thing about the whole entire game. In Halo 3 it would explode into many large pieces… not to mention when it flys away it just disappears when it’s like 20m away from you 😂 doesn’t even have a cloaking effect like before to justify this
@Jack-zb3cd
@Jack-zb3cd 2 жыл бұрын
and remember the sound the phantom made when it was about to explode. UNNHGGHH 😩
@LockheedC-130HerculesOfficial
@LockheedC-130HerculesOfficial 2 жыл бұрын
@@elijahmckenzie9207 it does have the cloaking thing but it's just hard to notice... I only noticed it when I decided to land my wasp on top of it
@chrisrichfield8906
@chrisrichfield8906 2 жыл бұрын
I think that's actually when I put the game down, when I killed a phantom and got that weak ass effect.
@DsiPro1000
@DsiPro1000 2 жыл бұрын
Yes. I was driving a razorback full of marines that had rocket launchers, then a phantom came and they shot at it and the screen went discord light theme. then i was like were da fantom goo
@J2ojuiced95
@J2ojuiced95 2 жыл бұрын
Halo 3 still has the best explosions in the series imo. I always loved how the vehicles left a load of debris behind when they exploded, especially the Scarab and the Phantom.
@josephmcsticc164
@josephmcsticc164 2 жыл бұрын
I found that to be one of halos best immersive points, how vehicles would almost quite well fall apart, especially the Scarab if you didn't go inside and destroy the core, you could tear that thing apart form the outside, adding another way to get to that core of worms.
@coconutsause6371
@coconutsause6371 2 жыл бұрын
The one problem I’ve had since the first gameplay reveal in 2020 was how horrible the explosions looked. When the master chief picked up a fusion coil for the first time and threw it at the shade turret I tensed up for the coolest explosion of my life. Then it happened and I sat there in disbelief that that was the explosion. Looks like someone threw a blue water balloon on it. Not an explosion at all… water.
@Gil172
@Gil172 2 жыл бұрын
Dude this was the exact same for me lmaoo
@LordParticle
@LordParticle 2 жыл бұрын
The wraith's mortar now looks more like the revenant's mortar. I understand that it has to be different than normal, being the banished wraith, but they could have just kept the mortar size the same and changed the color to red. I hope they change it to they way it was in past games. Also it would be sick if they added the revenant and give it the same mortar the wraith has right now
@francescoagnello5580
@francescoagnello5580 2 жыл бұрын
The problem is that not only it is worse graphic wise, but It also affects gameplay. You used to be able to tell whenever a Wraith was shooting your way, thanks both to the visual and the audio feedback it gave. In Infinite I sometimes find myself exploding out of nowhere only to then realize thanks to the death cam that It was actually a Wraith shot that killed me.
@SkywardShoe
@SkywardShoe 2 жыл бұрын
The sound too. In Halo 3 a Wraith mortar dropping nearby sounded like an entire building crashing down next to you, it was terrifying. I miss that earth-shaking cataclysmic bang, it was much more satisfying to die to than the weird "plop" you hear now.
@PepeSilviaPennypacker
@PepeSilviaPennypacker 2 жыл бұрын
The Wraith's Mortar has looked smaller than the actual damage radius since Halo 4
@zacharys8141
@zacharys8141 2 жыл бұрын
I was really disappointed because I expected the halo wars 2 wraith projectile but in 1st person
@zelkuta
@zelkuta 2 жыл бұрын
This is the only legit criticism in this whole thing imo. The rest of this shit is just nit picking to the extreme. The explosion for the wraith's cannon doesn't at all match it's AOE range and that is problematic. The wrath projectile will also derender for the wraith pilot if the shell gets repulsared back toward the wraith.
@Rizzo91
@Rizzo91 2 жыл бұрын
I couldn't help but feel that the vehicles feel more like action figures than actual vehicles. This video brought those thoughts to life. Also the explosions are so odd, like they have a liquidy look to them. It's almost like what I'd expect a plasma explosion to look like but orange instead of a real fireball.
@Endor2001
@Endor2001 2 жыл бұрын
Imfinite was also really lacking in vehicular combat. Remember all the other halos, including 4 and 5. We had some pretty dope vehicle combat segments. Well, infinite lacks in that department. In my opinion, infinite still has a long ways to go to be a memorable halo game. I beat it and i don't feel the need to go back to it. Ive been playing halo 2 and 3 over and over and have so much fun doing so.
@TCRP117
@TCRP117 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed. The CE grenade explosions are still my favourite; the bass whoompf, the pillar of smoke, the settling dirt with associated sounds audible if you listened closely (the fact they actually did goddamn damage to an enemy when you threw one at them certainly helped). The wraith cannon shot used to look like it was torn straight out of Verhoven's Starship Troopers, the roiling ball of plasma ready to incinerate whatever it touched, slowly over the following games the plasma effect (in general) changed from 'white hot flame' to 'ball of electricity or whatever' and that always saddened me. The Banished wraith shot is just pitiful, embarassed is the right word.
@tbc1880
@tbc1880 2 жыл бұрын
The electric aftermath never bothered me but the one thing I loved most about covenant vehicles is they had sounds like their name sake. The whaling sound of a banshee, the ghastly sound of a wraith mortar, the wurrring of a ghost. The ghost naming was because of the sounds of the gases and plasma they used in them. It sounded alien. Now it's pew pew stuff. Kinda lame. If they wanted to revamp the sound of the banished to sound banished make it metallic. Make it brutal. Make it war like. Now it's just bland to me.
@NuggetEternal
@NuggetEternal 2 жыл бұрын
I don't know how, but they made the frag grenades in this game feel almost as useless as the pulse grenades in Halo 4.
@davep8221
@davep8221 2 жыл бұрын
@@NuggetEternal From what I recall, from OG CE (PC) was that if you tossed a grenade as far as possible, then you would hear the explosion and tiny little bit after the visuals hit your eye. Like lightning then thunder, but *much* shorter. They modeled the difference between speed of light and sound. I did it again and again, and even straight. I don't know if they did it for all sounds & lights. Once you've coded for it, just apply it everywhere. I need to go back to that version and check. 343 effed up so much in anniversary, that they may have changed that. Their main sin was changing AI to cheat. Bungie wrote a paper about how they specifically allowed opponents to have only line of sight info about you. Now, if I sneak left or right behind cover and aim, the enemy's looking at me.
@nayru1855
@nayru1855 2 жыл бұрын
@@tbc1880 damn i always knew they were all named after entities but never realized the sounds they made reflected that, pretty sick.
@heyy1829
@heyy1829 2 жыл бұрын
The banished wraith shot is just like a hunter cannon at this point, totally pathetic compared to even CE
@smallgremlin8647
@smallgremlin8647 2 жыл бұрын
Hell Let Loose has, by far, the best explosions i've seen. they aren't big fireballs but rather giant plumes of dirt and dust through tens of feet into the air that leave behind a cloud that smears vison. the muzzle blast from a tank that's sat in one spot firing over and over creates this cloud around the tank. i've never in any multiplayer shooter had so much enjoyment sitting and just watching a field of battle. i've watched a 100meter stretch of field with a single trench turn into a mussy, smoke covers, corpse filled scene of death and destruction in a matter of minutes...and god is it incredible to be a part of.
@unknownwill4th549
@unknownwill4th549 2 жыл бұрын
Playing desert bus in halo reaches cgb on the mcc made the game so immersive when all those warthog explosions happened when i would be ducking for cover to avoid a sniper shot
@blendyyyboy4616
@blendyyyboy4616 2 жыл бұрын
I agree, I feel like this issue plays into the gameplay of halo infinite and a core problem I personally have with multiplayer.. the grenades. They’re so lifeless that when you see one explode near you it doesn’t communicate the radius or impact of that explosion and so it leads to grenades feeling inconsistent, I swear I’ve died so many times to a grenade that didn’t look near me or even explode near me but I take damage. It’s a huge design oversight and is a serious issue
@stoicavo6533
@stoicavo6533 2 жыл бұрын
Came here to express the same issue. I have problems with nades to the point where I'm actually surprised when I kill someone with em. I've spammed enemies with popped shields in confined spaces and they still come out unscathed while other explosions that seem so far away seem to deal a lot of damage. Half the time you don't even see or hear the explosion that kills you. Your body just suddenly goes flying with zero warning with the grenade icon popping up next to your name on the kill feed. It's kind of jarring and disruptive. Same with rockets. The explosive damage radius just feels real inconsistent overall
@TheCrazeturk
@TheCrazeturk 2 жыл бұрын
The lack of brightness kills explosion and plasma effects as well. I’ve never seen an energy sword look as bad as it does in Halo Infinite.
@KokotoHero-N3
@KokotoHero-N3 2 жыл бұрын
100% true, you can literally see the hard edges of the alpha for the texture its using.
@j.l.atheprodigy
@j.l.atheprodigy 2 жыл бұрын
I hate the liquid like Plasma effects so much. I ain't playing fucking splatoon...
@rockblockstudio
@rockblockstudio 2 жыл бұрын
One of my biggest issues with the turning red before blowing up mechanic is that some challenges require you to destroy an enemy vehicle. Ok no biggie, but when you have a thing that tells you when your vehicle is done, it makes the challenge a whole lot harder. Doesn't help when slow reloading weapons like the skewer allow for your enemy to escape. I remember having a challenge to destroy 3 warthogs. I thought no issue of it until I actually got into the games. Skewer would turn the vehicle red and the enemy already jumped out. What should have taken 2 btb games took 7-8 instead
@kadenmaguglin392
@kadenmaguglin392 2 жыл бұрын
Can’t believe you didn’t mention the pathetic excuse for an explosion effect that the banished phantom is
@Zac9x9
@Zac9x9 2 жыл бұрын
It's a rare sight since they like to fly 20 feet away and then vanish into thin air.
@kadenmaguglin392
@kadenmaguglin392 2 жыл бұрын
@@Zac9x9 the end of that one mission where u fight two phantoms
@vapidtone6511
@vapidtone6511 2 жыл бұрын
It’s not just explosions to be honest. Nearly all effects are massively downgraded and it’s almost certainly because of performance related reasons. Blood, sparks, fire, energy weapon particles etc. are all reduced to practically nothing. I’d like to see then given more oomph again like we’ve had in previous games but it depends on just how badly the games other areas of performance would suffer. Personally i’m perfectly fine with these elements being reduced if it means the games other, more important, technical elements are buttery smooth and impressive. But only 343 could really know how significant an effect it would have on performance. I’d like if they told us more precisely what the issue is and why they purposely keep the effects down.
@FilthyWeeb1
@FilthyWeeb1 2 жыл бұрын
I think its not a performance issue, I think its a lack of art direction. Vehicle combat in this game is just broken. My biggest problem is the gunner seat on the warthog or any turret. The bullets that are flying by just look like yellow dots on the screen, they dont got that flash that, rapid fire flashy goodness that can light up a dark tunnel. I was very disappointed when I first saw this, the game looks like a safe space for having 9 year olds playing halo so some karen doesnt have a heart attack when she sees her kid using realistic looking weapons in a video game.
@NCI_01
@NCI_01 2 жыл бұрын
I was searching for this comment, thx. Multiplying props is a massive performance downer
@mitwhitgaming7722
@mitwhitgaming7722 2 жыл бұрын
I seriously wish the vehicles that have gone critical and are about to blow did damage to enemies. It would make for a cool moment as you bailed and sent a ghost or warthog careening into a group of enemies.
@AbbyRawks
@AbbyRawks 2 жыл бұрын
They do, just not enough to be worth it. Especially considering once you're in the critical state you can still be prematurely destroyed if enemies keep shooting at your vehicle. Feels like a really half baked feature tbh.
@mitwhitgaming7722
@mitwhitgaming7722 2 жыл бұрын
@@AbbyRawks I still think its an improvement compared to the vehicle just blowing up without any warning. It could be hard in previous games to gauge the damage if you weren't familiar with the vehicle.
@PersonPlaceThing1
@PersonPlaceThing1 2 жыл бұрын
@@mitwhitgaming7722 I think idealy it's telegraphed like the old games were. You really had a sense for when it'd be destroyed. Sometimes you wouldn't know to the second, but that little micro mystery adds to the tension as long as you're aware that things are about to go kabloowy any second.
@mitwhitgaming7722
@mitwhitgaming7722 2 жыл бұрын
@@PersonPlaceThing1 True
@staryoshi06
@staryoshi06 2 жыл бұрын
@@mitwhitgaming7722 In Halo 2 and Halo 3 it was consistent because it could not explode unless the driver died. Vehicles got much more annoying when Reach re-added vehicle health without putting an actual meter on the screen.
@starfire451
@starfire451 2 жыл бұрын
It's great to see this highlighted. Explosions in Halo Infinite even lack lighting. It looks like they're flat painted animations as they don't light up the environment around them, which even extends to plasma weapons.
@Beethovenus
@Beethovenus 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly, my biggest issue has mostly been with the visual feedback for vehicle damage. It's really difficult to tell how much health your vehicle has at times--especially ones like the Banshee--and there's not even a health bar to let you know either. I find myself just wondering how much health I have left at times until my vehicle suddenly starts to explode. Really want them to improve the damage indicators, or at least add a health bar akin to CE.
@josephmcsticc164
@josephmcsticc164 2 жыл бұрын
I've also noticed the vehicles have less fire then they do in the older games, if more fire was added it would help with the health problem.
@kingchirpa
@kingchirpa 2 жыл бұрын
In the bungie halos, they really did a good job if conveying heavy damage to a vehicle. For a warthog, the glass would crack, fenders would get bent or break off, axles would get mangled, leading to off-kilter wheels, hub caps fly off, metal gets shredded, bent, or blown off. Smoke, and then fire would start billowing out, until the vehicle would explode with blinding spectacle, leaving behind a skeleton and chunks of smoking charred vehicle. Infinite has about a third of what I just described, which is why they feel so plain. You only have one or two queues to determine the health of your vehicle. Either light sparks/smoke or a tire getting shot off. Its still often surprised me when my warthog suddenly starts glowing red, as it would still look pristine. In old games really looked like they went through hell and back
@ARavingLobster
@ARavingLobster 2 жыл бұрын
100% this is a huge issue I've seen. Several times have I had a banshee look completely intact after several battles and I'm flying around and get hit by a single Jackal DMR shot and instantly explode. It's just an awful visual design and feedback system. Also the Phantoms, my god, look what they did to my boy.
@compmanio36
@compmanio36 2 жыл бұрын
@@kingchirpa This is the kind of thing that takes experience to cultivate; different stepped damage states to vehicles. The cheap, easy way 343 took is how a less experienced and cohesive studio does things; fulfill requirement for damage feedback to the user, box checked. Who cares if it's good, we can fix that later in "patching".
@mastercheif5645
@mastercheif5645 2 жыл бұрын
Completely agree, it took me a while to understand why my vehicle seemed to just explode mid fight for no reason. Once I realized it was indicated by the sounds and the red glow and knew that's what to look out for it was ok but its much less obvious than just showing the damage on the vehicle like halo 3 did when a warthog will be on fire and missing armour. It's especially difficult to identify the red glow indicating the vehicle is about to blow up on banished vehicles.
@hyamcacerez2538
@hyamcacerez2538 2 жыл бұрын
Not so much actual explosions, but DOOM Eternal has an incredible damage model system when it came to their demons. Being able to tear off flesh with just your arsenal meant that the game didn't need to rely on cheap health bars, but the visuals communicated the state of each demon upon death. Not only is this big brain game design, but ripping and tearing your enemies to the bone felt satisfying. It was almost like an FPS version of Burnout 3.
@L1lGarbage
@L1lGarbage 2 жыл бұрын
Lmao there are still health bars in doom regardless of the destructible demon mechanic. They DO provide visual feedback but in the case of boss battles the health bar is still necessary.
@hyamcacerez2538
@hyamcacerez2538 2 жыл бұрын
@@L1lGarbage Yeah I meant aside from boss battles, good point though.
@oldcrow6752
@oldcrow6752 2 жыл бұрын
Between the explosions and the lack of blood, Halo Infinite combat is missing some of that "weight" Really takes me out of the game whenever I get flash banged by a phantom explosion.
@Rizzo91
@Rizzo91 2 жыл бұрын
Yep, it makes the game feel, for lack of a better word, "videogamey".
@conor987
@conor987 2 жыл бұрын
Gotta get that teen rating
@compmanio36
@compmanio36 2 жыл бұрын
@@conor987 Also target the Chinese market where graphic violence is censored more heavily. MCC has a "Chinese" version where blood and death animations are censored. For Infinite, clearly 343 just said "Make it for the Chinese market and we'll sell it to America like that".
@oldcrow6752
@oldcrow6752 2 жыл бұрын
@@conor987 Not to mention some huge players in the gaming market said "No blood" and we gotta get that international dollar.
@TheWither129
@TheWither129 2 жыл бұрын
Infinite has blood! Tiny, barely noticeable effects that spray off of unshielded opponents. Meanwhile CE had massive dark bullet holes covering the walls, and huge patches of blood around the corpse of your fallen foe. In CE when you mow down a horde of covvies in an ancient forerunner hallway, you can see the death and destruction, all the glowing alien blood with their corpses rotting at your feet, and the ash from explosions darkening the walls and floors, creating this mess of a battle that’s really satisfying to look back on. Infinite has just the corpses, maybe some little bullet holes.
@Jordan-eb5em
@Jordan-eb5em 2 жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly. Great points showing the grunts and sentinels. Honestly, I've been trying to tell people how hit markers have been ruining games for years, and I think the lazy red doomed state on vehicles is a symptom. Not only do enemies jump out and deny giving you the satisfying kill, but it removes the feeling of knowing your vehicle and still pushing it with flames billowing out with a "just a bit more, old girl"
@JimJamTheAdmin
@JimJamTheAdmin 2 жыл бұрын
I used to have great fun pushing a vehicle to it's limits with my shields down and flames billowing out. Now I don't even really get to ride and die with my girls, they just die in a lame explosion.
@Kekktye
@Kekktye 2 жыл бұрын
I'd say graphics don't matter in terms of texture resolution and slapped-on effects like reflectivity Graphics do really matter in terms of artistic expression though. You can really tell when an artist has spent time on any aspect of a game, and Infinite is filled with amazing detailing in nearly every element of the game. Just wish vehicle destruction was one of them.
@stfdcrst
@stfdcrst 2 жыл бұрын
A game I used to play for hours on end as a kid was "Totaled!" On the OG Xbox. It was a demolition derby game where the sole purpose was to get your friends together, in my case my brother and dad, and just ram the cars into each other as fast as possible and blow each other's vehicle to pieces. The way the metal bucked and tore from your car as you sped past your opponent was super impressive for a game of it's time and the explosion after was always satisfying. I'm not sure how many people know about this game, I feel like it's pretty niche, but I loved it so much as a kid.
@thesageggz3387
@thesageggz3387 2 жыл бұрын
Halo 3 was peak explosion effects, nothing will beat leaving a scarab and looking back at the magnificent light show that unfolds
@bobnob4393
@bobnob4393 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure that dead ghost randomly getting up and flying itself to heaven is pretty neat
@MrRedstoneready
@MrRedstoneready 2 жыл бұрын
I wish they'd replace the red glow "get out" explosion warning with a rumble of tiny explosions on the inside of the vehicle. Would make the final one feel more built up
@Destroyer_V0
@Destroyer_V0 2 жыл бұрын
It would certainly help, alongside having the vehicles remain burning, then have scorched wreckage in the case of UNSC vehicles. Not as sure what to do with the banished vehicles besides trying to take what they did with grunts and applying it to them. Second part. Elites jumping out of doomed banshees in campaign... they are gonna die from the fall damage pretty much every time. Why wouldn't they make one final effort?
@spellxthief
@spellxthief 2 жыл бұрын
yes! i hate how small the banished wraiths shots are. and halo CE frags would throw up lots of dirt if they exploded on soft ground. and i so miss the ghost's second explosion when they go flying and that alien sound
@no-barknoonan1335
@no-barknoonan1335 2 жыл бұрын
Been that way for a while. The Halo 4 and Halo 5 wraith shots are puny, it's hilarious going from the Halo 2 wraith shots to the 343 wraith shots. It should feel powerful, not puny
@justinnyugen7015
@justinnyugen7015 2 жыл бұрын
You can also hear them clearly as they arced through the air, serving gameplay purpose
@KaiserFranzJosefI
@KaiserFranzJosefI 2 жыл бұрын
Ironically, the Infinite Wraith is the most powerful it's been since Halo 2
@TyrannosaurusRex5027
@TyrannosaurusRex5027 2 жыл бұрын
Hands down, my favorite explosion was those covenant aa guns from reach. The smoke and build up followed by the near blinding explosion was phenomenal
@NaughtMax
@NaughtMax 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve tried to enter destroyed vehicles in infinite before… I didn’t see them blow up so o couldn’t tell if they were just messed up or actually destroyed. That really shouldn’t happen, because it actually does effect gameplay
@josephmcsticc164
@josephmcsticc164 2 жыл бұрын
Ghost's also no longer split in half when destroyed.
@eska6593
@eska6593 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah same and I've lost gun fights because of it
@stoicavo6533
@stoicavo6533 2 жыл бұрын
I've gotten into vehicles I didn't know were on the verge of destructing. The timing of the warning windup is inconsistent. It sometimes doesn't even give you enough time to react and bail out before exploding. I generally stay away from vehicles in Infinite now. They're just weak as shit.
@frenchtacoz6483
@frenchtacoz6483 2 жыл бұрын
This game has been so refreshing, I didn’t like the design and art style of Halo 4 & 5 but Halo infinite nailed the art style and my only complaint was exactly that, the explosion, it feels so incredibly cheap takes me out of the immersion completely. I would love for the Halo community to talk more and give more feedback to 343 to improve on that specific area.
@monkeychife
@monkeychife 2 жыл бұрын
The sentinel explosions in infinite are actually amazing. They’re are by far my favorite enemy to kill in infinite because of how satisfying it is to see them pop
@davatorres10
@davatorres10 2 жыл бұрын
-Bungie: "It has to be fun before its pretty". -343: "well, are you sure?"
@ringerscheckmate7938
@ringerscheckmate7938 2 жыл бұрын
Both titanfall 1 and 2 have really solid explosions, but I think they communicate damage states perfectly through art. When a titan gets doomed, segments of the titan begin to erupt in fire and go black, revealing the titans insides. You get the sense that the damage the titan sustained has made it unstable and at any moment can collapse. Eventually the whole titan goes to a burnt black, and the pilot either can either eject with a pretty lame explosion (unless you have nuclear eject on) or burn down with the mech as it succumbs to its wounds.
@TheItalianoAssassino
@TheItalianoAssassino 2 жыл бұрын
I can only advocate for playing Titanfall 1 to not let it die, but sadly, they took it off the store. :(
@ringerscheckmate7938
@ringerscheckmate7938 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheItalianoAssassino Titanfall 1 was really fun and I found its titan fights more fun because of custom loadouts, but titanfall 2 has a lot of extras that I love. It really sucks how far left behind titanfall 1 and 2 is with the cheating, but at least we have the northstar client for titanfall 2
@whyiwakeup6460
@whyiwakeup6460 2 жыл бұрын
I hope that they update how the countdown explosion works, I’d love to see the vehicle go out of control, launch your ghost around in a short circle as the boost engine/thruster thingy goes out of control, whipping your Spartan around and around. Touches like that would be amazing.
@thejfoshow1320
@thejfoshow1320 2 жыл бұрын
One thing I’d like to add is the importance of explosion sound design. The sizzling crunch in Halo 3’s is a huge part of the satisfaction.
@randomcatdude
@randomcatdude 2 жыл бұрын
yeah this is the worst part of the infinite explosions for me personally -- they sound so unsatisfying and bland seems like old FPS games in general have way better explosion sounds than new ones. they don't sound like bass-boosted farts
@ands246
@ands246 2 жыл бұрын
One explosion that’s great in this game is in the first mission, as the ship is exploding you walk into a long hallway just as something behind some enemies and boxes explodes, throwing all the boxes down the hallway. I love watching the physics engine in motion, and that moment was a perfect example of that! I wish similar design was implemented for vehicle damage, I love halo 2’s vehicles because you watch as they fall apart as they’re shot, all the little bits of debris bouncing off in every direction.
@milita96
@milita96 2 жыл бұрын
I think the whole physics department in the game is pretty poor compared to previous titles. Vehicles feel so weightless when you're driving them ):
@Hassliche
@Hassliche 2 жыл бұрын
Yea I can drive and literally any halo very well but infinite….lol I just hop on the back
@Bojoschannel
@Bojoschannel 2 жыл бұрын
Vehicles are horrible overall, the Ghost and the Wasp are the only decent ones and the razorback can be fun but drives like shit
@Silver_Sol
@Silver_Sol 2 жыл бұрын
I miss the ghosts lightning hovering effects
@Madchimpz
@Madchimpz 2 жыл бұрын
Always loved the way ghosts would go nuts explode a second time in Halo 2 shortly after you destroy it. Halo 2 anniversary seemed to have changed almost all the sound effects, except they kept that sound of the ghost preparing to explode because they knew how memorable it was.
@Fi_Sci_
@Fi_Sci_ 2 жыл бұрын
The 343 explosions certainly do give off the impression of a toy breaking apart, and not how it once was with the vehicle tearing itself apart on the Inside with each combustion as you stated. Halo 3 did explosions the best and made each takedown of a vehicle rewarding, even taking down those hovering covenant sniping spots was fun too. 343 has done a remarkable job diving back into halo’s core roots, but there is still room for improvement…. Especially the multiplayer.
@tbc1880
@tbc1880 2 жыл бұрын
I agree though I think covenant explosions were done better in 2. The wobbling of the ghost before it bursts will always be missed by me.
@royshavrick
@royshavrick 2 жыл бұрын
In what way would you improve the multiplayer? Is it the maps or is it the gameplay? What part of the MP needs it?
@fieldadmiralspartanryseb-8293
@fieldadmiralspartanryseb-8293 2 жыл бұрын
Yes! I loved destroying the hovering snipe spots
@alexl6644
@alexl6644 2 жыл бұрын
A few issues i'd like to share regarding Infinite's campaign: -Vehicles have the durability of cardboard - banshees and wasps in particular. I'd find myself loading up a Razorback with marines only to have it explode after a few plasma rounds. -The game looks very good, but not great when compared to other "open-world" games. The art style is on point, but could have looked better graphically (draw distance, long range textures of the hexagonal structures look off, etc) - No weather patterns to make it feel more alive (Witcher 3 did this amazingly on last gen consoles). The day-night cycle is more akin to a day-evening cycle. Just remember CE's Truth and Reconciliation - a level completely at night on a Halo ring. There's no reason not to have a proper day-night cycle, specially with tech we have today. - The Banished, while varied and quite fun to fight, were poorly introduced. I knew who Atriox and the Banished were thanks to Halo Wars 2, but one should not have to go outside the main Halo saga and access 3rd party media in order to understand what's going on and who the players are. Halo 5 was the worst offender. For someone who only plays the Halo FPS games, this aspect is confusing. Halo 1, 2 and 3 could be played back-to-back and there would be little (if any) doubts as to who, what, when and where.
@williamspencer1978
@williamspencer1978 2 жыл бұрын
Game looks way better if you turn lighting down 20% or so. For whatever reason, the default setting is oversaturated
@alexl6644
@alexl6644 2 жыл бұрын
@@williamspencer1978 Thanks for the tip. I'll give it a shot
@drd2951
@drd2951 2 жыл бұрын
Or ya know have a scarb or two since the banished have those too ? Idk man the game felt bland as fuck
@alexl6644
@alexl6644 2 жыл бұрын
@@drd2951 Couldn't agree more. They could have introduced more Banished vehicles as in Halo Wars 2. A revamped Scarab could have been something special. Instead, they took away - no mantis, no spartan laser...
@drd2951
@drd2951 2 жыл бұрын
@@alexl6644 no brute shot , no plasma rifle , replace a mechanic that the plasma pistol has always done since halo 3 and gave it to a whole new weapon , the lack of engineers and skitters
@InnuendoXP
@InnuendoXP 2 жыл бұрын
I always enjoyed how in the original FEAR, when you were in a room full of physics objects, it felt like your weapons absolutely shredded the world around you. Sparks, particles everywhere, craters & debris knocked off the walls, shattering glass, wood chips & paper fragments along with pieces of whatever enemy you were shooting at. It was just incredibly visceral. I feel like Source engine games also generally do even canned explosion effects quite well. And the attention on physics objects in games like Half-Life 2 just give a sense of weight & physicality to everything you do. It's great.
@TheNaturalGamer1
@TheNaturalGamer1 2 жыл бұрын
Naw that game too scary
@InnuendoXP
@InnuendoXP 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheNaturalGamer1 FEAR isn't scary, it's startle-ey. Psychologic is scary.
@TheNaturalGamer1
@TheNaturalGamer1 2 жыл бұрын
@@InnuendoXP alma is scary
@xgrillsenx
@xgrillsenx 2 жыл бұрын
I agree FEAR has some of the best particle effects of any game since. The explosions also look really good with that warping effect that is created around it when a grenade goes off.
@cfdeers
@cfdeers 2 жыл бұрын
amen. the parallax bullet holes blew my mind when I first saw them, then again when I realized they were just fancy 2d textures
@Bucket_Buffoon
@Bucket_Buffoon 2 жыл бұрын
I think I know why the explosions suck: They dont want to accomadate the Vehicle Coatings in the explosions Idk how Slipspace handles textures, but I dont think they want to be making custom damage textures for *every* tier of damage available to a vehicle, no matter how good it COULD look. Every coating would be a bundle of textures as opposed to just one single texture I could be wrong tho, since we have skins in Halo 3.
@randomcatdude
@randomcatdude 2 жыл бұрын
it might be a good idea for them to look into dynamically generating textures, then like, applying a scorch layer and such real-time on a given skin, and then working with that. they could even do it in a shader to save on VRAM. it'd definitely be a bit tricky, but it would be worth it. the final effect would look really cool, seeing vehicle skins in charred, burnt forms
@porglezomp7235
@porglezomp7235 2 жыл бұрын
@@randomcatdude Yeah that's not even dynamically generating textures, that's just layering them, games have been doing that for decades now. This isn't the reasoning.
@muffinxcancer
@muffinxcancer 2 жыл бұрын
@@randomcatdude that would require work when 343 was busy scrapping 2/3 of their game because they had no direction. The game is great but it feels unfinished and that's why everybody is expecting dlc. But they're just going to sell us content that should've been in the full release.
@peshkybee7721
@peshkybee7721 2 жыл бұрын
Idk how but after Halo 3 water has looked worse and worse. A freaking 360 game STILL has the best water in the franchise. I'd love some public inspection at that in the future
@Shugadonk
@Shugadonk 2 жыл бұрын
It's not just halo either. Water in video games seems like it's evolving backwards.
@bananawingz8624
@bananawingz8624 2 жыл бұрын
halo 3's water physics make me so happy
@privatepessleneck
@privatepessleneck 2 жыл бұрын
Halo 3 was honestly one of the greatest looking games of it's time, if not of all time. It was like a perfect blend of looking good but not like trying to be hyper detailed.
@soap5547
@soap5547 2 жыл бұрын
To be fair, water is extremely difficult. I believe this is one of the cases where water hasn't really improved but rather the worse graphics benefited the suspension of disbelieve
@cookie.2118
@cookie.2118 2 жыл бұрын
@@Shugadonk Ubisoft games would like a word with you.
@Shadow1177x
@Shadow1177x 2 жыл бұрын
finally, someone talking about it I thought the phantom explosion in this game is so underwhelming compare to the 360 eras. all it does is blind your screen like a flashbang and that's it...
@jurassicarkjordanisgreat1778
@jurassicarkjordanisgreat1778 2 жыл бұрын
You are right. Why does infinites destoryed mongoose look like my broken red mongoose toy? I know 343 had to rebuild halo reach off of halo 3s engine to make halo 4 but idk why they had to get rid of the giant explosions and stuff. Also fun fact the turrents on vehicles are seprate vehicles in themselves. Thats why they explode afterward or can be blown off (like in reach if you hit the turret of a scorpion with a spartan laser.)
@Caseylawton
@Caseylawton 2 жыл бұрын
Completely agree with this. I also really hope they bring blood back in the game. It helps with the immersion so much. There’s a reason we didn’t need hit markers in the past
@anikan2000
@anikan2000 2 жыл бұрын
Halo 4 and 5 had blood. Its just so much darker and toned down. My biggest gripe with Halo 2 Anniversary when comparing it to the classic.
@comicsamsthegreat
@comicsamsthegreat 2 жыл бұрын
The worst thing is the explosion aftermath it either looks like nothing happened to the vehicle or it was never there in the first place
@bigdrew1478
@bigdrew1478 2 жыл бұрын
I can’t believe this was the only video that has ever talked about it!!! The lack of explosions was the 1st thing I noticed and didn’t understand no one else was talking about it!! Thank you
@saltedhorsemeat4843
@saltedhorsemeat4843 2 жыл бұрын
For me it's the reverse situation for the Wraiths, old Wraith shots looked huge slow and dramatic like you're going to be vaporized if you're in the blast, and then it's a little blue burst where it lands with a deceptively large blast radius. And then Banished Wraiths have a fast and red projectile that makes you think you can endure it like a cheap Revenant shot and then it turns out it blows up into a huge splash of hot plasma that'll seriously fuck you up. Honestly left me flabbergasted in my burning Scorpion that one shot slimed me so hard I'm about to explode.
@guy3480
@guy3480 2 жыл бұрын
The thing that hurts most about this is it will never change. The devs arent putting their heart and soul into it because the corporate side of game dev has gotten so much more important than the art that they aim for good enough and leave it at that. Devs are probably already tired from working on the store front for 12 hours per day they dont care what the explosions look like they just want to go home and try to live a little outside their job
@TheNobleFive
@TheNobleFive 2 жыл бұрын
The devs clearly put their heart and soul into infinite. It was just forced to release too early. Read about how some 2/3 of the content was ripped from the game due to being unfinished. The lackluster phantom explosion is obviously not the ideal they were striving for. Also, you don't need an entire dev team to work on updating a cosmetic store.
@VapaFish
@VapaFish 2 жыл бұрын
Please do not call the Devs on this. I can promise you that if a dev is working on a game they do care about it. The trouble comes from budget, timeframes, decisions from leadership & various other outside factors. Take for example the banished monoliths. Clearly there was something there right? We have assets, we have them spawning in the wild & they have a specific set of enemies around them. The Devs would t have just left that in and forgot to remove it, but rather they likely didn't have time to finish, or where told to cut this area back but not given time to fully remove them.
@cotog007
@cotog007 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed, my friends and me have talked about how the destruction and explosions are disappointing. Def a must fix
@greatcesari
@greatcesari 2 жыл бұрын
Halo 3 Phantom explosions were my favorite in terms of visuals and sfx. Halo 2 hogs and ghosts were amazing, but Halo 3 scarabs are the peak.
@InnuendoXP
@InnuendoXP 2 жыл бұрын
Don't forget the sparks. CE had the best sparks, somehow nothing else in the series has come close to watching those bright streaky jagged bois accurately flying & bouncing across the level geometry with a satisfyingly realistic rate of fade.
@jakedeschamps4454
@jakedeschamps4454 2 жыл бұрын
For real, have you seen some of the sparks that vehicles scraping against metal in Halo infinite look like? It's a total dissapointment. They look awful. I did like how sparks looked in Halo CE. Honestly, I also liked how they looked in CEA when present. They look really good on a High framerate, in my opinion. My first time seeing those sparks at 240fps really just wow'd me. Anyways, I agree, CE had great sparks. But I find Halo infinite's just awful.
@InnuendoXP
@InnuendoXP 2 жыл бұрын
@@jakedeschamps4454 yeah that's why I highlighted, if we're including sparks as a branch of the explosion problem, Infinite has a big one. CEA i don't really like, but they did preserve the sparks quite well at least, I think it's because they went with the original animation for them & retextured the effect or something?
@okankyoto
@okankyoto 2 жыл бұрын
It also helped sell plasma impacts- vaporizing a ton of the wall and blasting off debris and sparks dancing across the floor. Really made the AR impacts on metal feel incredibly powerful.
@InnuendoXP
@InnuendoXP 2 жыл бұрын
@@okankyoto yeah, how the plasma impact site would glow & hold the colour as it gradually cooled. Also the overcharge plasma shot absolutely spewing sparks out - or the steam explosion it caused if you fired it into water. Also the expended shell casings detail was great for the time too. I haven't played Halo 4 or 5 in a while but I don't remember getting the same sense of impact tying the material of what you were firing into the world around you.
@obliviouz
@obliviouz 2 жыл бұрын
Your point about wrecked vehicles looking still-new is absolutely on point. So many times I've run up to a vehicle wanting to use it only to realise it's actually a wreckage when I can't get in.
@Kitten-Master
@Kitten-Master 2 жыл бұрын
Definitely agree. That ghost meltdown sound gives me so much nostalgia.. If they can capture even 50% of that in infinite I'll be happy.. But plz I want 110%
@TheKsalad
@TheKsalad 2 жыл бұрын
While I mostly agree some vehicles have amazing damage models, take the Wasp, it's armor gets peeled apart like the ghost does in Halo 2. Goes to show 343 CAN put the work in, but it's not everywhere
@LaniakeaLeathercrafts
@LaniakeaLeathercrafts 2 жыл бұрын
Everyday, I am reminded just how far ahead of it's time Halo 3 truly was.
@YoRHaUnit2Babe
@YoRHaUnit2Babe 2 жыл бұрын
tbh hearing over the comms when you destroyed a scarab in The Covenant that it's visible from space felt so cool
@gruntes11isttt
@gruntes11isttt 2 жыл бұрын
Agree completely I've seen to many people run up to vehicle only for them to find out it's already exploded the vehicles like brand new especially the ghost. Also 1 that I think was a big deal was the AA turret explosion I'll quote a 8 year old "wait that's it? That's lame". the phantom explosion is terrible just a white flash and it disappears.
@Staghound
@Staghound 2 жыл бұрын
Also Not mentioned: Sound Design! I don't know if any of you have ever heard a tank cannon fire or even been too close to a rocket when it goes off but the boom is something you feel in your chest cavity and the Halo 3 sound absolutely nails that. The infinite sound is more like that scene in monsters inc where they contain the sock and put a tiny explosive charge on it to destroy it
@TheRealLazyEntrepreneur
@TheRealLazyEntrepreneur 2 жыл бұрын
THIS.
@Metal_Maoist
@Metal_Maoist 2 жыл бұрын
I really like the explosions in Breath of the Wild, they are stylized, but still have a lot of impact. They make me want to use explosive barrels every time I play the game again even though I know I'm just going to blow myself up anyway
@anepicotter4595
@anepicotter4595 2 жыл бұрын
I've always loved the quick two stage explosion of the falcon in halo reach. As it continuously takes damage, parts of it break off as had always happened before in Halo but now unlike with the hornet which explodes in a fireball but is left mostly intact, the falcon starts to descend and a small explosion takes place in the engine immediately followed by a brilliant fireball that consumes the entire vehicle leaving behind a nearly unrecognizable husk. It reminds me of something like a warship powder magazine exploding but on a much smaller scale.
@BonecrusherApologist
@BonecrusherApologist 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve had so many instances where I blow up a phantom with a tank and it blows up to just have 2-3 metal scraps drop down, but sometimes a single grunt also drops out of it alive and lands on the ground like nothing happened it’s so weird
@Confederate115
@Confederate115 2 жыл бұрын
The particle effects, explosions and even muzzle flashes look horrendous in Infinite. Kind of shocked its being talked about with objectivity.
@randomcatdude
@randomcatdude 2 жыл бұрын
GOD i agree on the muzzleflashes part so much i don't know what it is but they look just so gross in this game whereas Halo CE, 3, and even Reach all have pretty great muzzleflashes i don't understand how they managed to screw that up
@venom320
@venom320 2 жыл бұрын
I believe that in Halo 4's case, the explosions were worse because that game had to make a lot of compromises to run on the Xbox 360 while looking as good as it did.
@staryoshi06
@staryoshi06 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah they probably couldn't afford to have a bunch of physics objects around. But they could have still improved the explosions by making them opaque such that the phantom or lich appears to be engulfed by it rather than simply despawning in place of an explosion.
@roar104
@roar104 2 жыл бұрын
almost like the sacrifices infinite had to make to run on xbox 1
@Yay295
@Yay295 2 жыл бұрын
but, Halo 3 also ran on the Xbox 360...
@venom320
@venom320 2 жыл бұрын
@@Yay295 Halo 3 is significantly less taxing on the Xbox 360 than Halo 4 was. For example, the Halo 3 character models had a lower polygon count than the Halo 4 ones.
@forrandomsites3336
@forrandomsites3336 2 жыл бұрын
I'd argue gears of war 3/judgements are significantly better looking games than halo 4, yet it has far better explosions and particle effects than that of halo 4. It definitely has something to do with the engine because every halo game after 343 took over, explosion effects are sub par, from xb360, all the way to Xbox series X
@luv-lost
@luv-lost 2 жыл бұрын
Once you add the cowbell skull it becomes so much more satisfying. You're one hundred percent right about the explosions though, it should be like Halo 3 upgraded.
@BingoPanic
@BingoPanic 2 жыл бұрын
Dunno if anyone else experiences this in Multiplayer, but sometimes when I’m killed by a grenade, I have no idea where it actually killed me from. Because the explosion animation is so quick, and there is little to no debris left behind, I often can’t identify where the explosion that killed me even took place.
@valettashepard909
@valettashepard909 2 жыл бұрын
No damage decals either, most if not all the time
@NEVERMAKESVIDEOS3V3R
@NEVERMAKESVIDEOS3V3R 2 жыл бұрын
This is the first time I've seen anyone really talk about this, but one of the first and most egregious issues I've noticed since Halo 4 came out (and I was 13 at the time lmao). Fighting your way across a broken ship deck to launch a stuck nuclear missile, just to watch it fly (unconvincingly) behind a covenant cruiser and... not really do anything other than make the ship fall apart like it was made of legos. Wasn't it supposed to be a nuke? It's also one of my biggest disappointments with Infinite. The phantom explosion is just sad.
@TerryMeme
@TerryMeme 2 жыл бұрын
The first ghost I came across in campaign was destroyed (or a prop), I was so confused on why I couldn't piolet it that I assumed it was a bug since I had been using it in multiplayer. They went on about how detailed their vehicle destruction was, but in reality. It just feels, flat, lifeless. Details matter even the small ones. If this was just some bs multiplayer excuse to add the "overload" mechanic then why keep it in campaign? I'm fairly certain flames , destruction, and constant beeping is enough to tell me a warthog is about to blow up.
@WillWill56
@WillWill56 2 жыл бұрын
The explosions are pretty weak, and it can lead to some strange situations. Hijacked a banshee as it was about to explode. It blew up in the middle of the hijack animation, but the animation kept going and put me into the banshee. Wouldn't let me get out either. Trapped in a banshee that looked brand new, like it could still fly, seconds after it went nuclear. Was a strange experience.
@DarthFolo
@DarthFolo 2 жыл бұрын
War thunder has some pretty cool ammo rack explosions. Always satisfying to get a good hit on an enemy and just watch the turret sail skywards. I wish they'd get ride of the red glow of vehicles before they explode too. Keep the sound but add growing flames to the human vehicles and take inspiration from halo 2 and 3s ghost when it comes to the banished.
@nybergsgarage
@nybergsgarage 2 жыл бұрын
I still like CE's explosions best... strange, you may say, but the way the rocket launcher and frag grenade create a tall column of fire and smoke looks great to me, the explosions are tall and thin, whereas in newer games, like 2 and 3, the explosions are all spherical. looks odd somehow.
@thefoxamongwolves9843
@thefoxamongwolves9843 2 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure real grenade explosions look like that, from the handful of videos I've seen. I always thought it looked authentic and had that weight of just throwing up a load of dust and dirt
@MegamanZero410
@MegamanZero410 2 жыл бұрын
Finally someone said it. I thought the explosions were weak and without impact, and the wrath was underwhelming. I had to put on the boom skull just to get the right amount of impact, and even then you can’t fix to look.
@JoshuaPTFan
@JoshuaPTFan 2 жыл бұрын
Other special effects have problems too. - Bullet hole decals are simple flat black circles with a white splatter fringe, and fade away very quickly. When they overlap each other, the white fringe overlaps the old decals, covering them up. The decals are the same regardless of the material being shot, and have no bump map. - Explosion scorch marks are very faint. - Water effects are very minimal. The water splash visual and sound effects of bullets and explosions are very hard to distinguish from ground impact effects.
@sydious_s_snake
@sydious_s_snake 2 жыл бұрын
red faction guerrilla and just cause (2 or 3) have some gorgeous explosion and destruction physics to them, they all have a weight that you'd expect from hitting a truck through a bridge with a sledgehammer Both great titles to try if you're looking to scratch that itch and haven't played either before
@psykology9299
@psykology9299 2 жыл бұрын
so much of Infinite left my jaw on the floor, the glowy puddle plasma would leave on the ground that would slowly fade into exactly what i imagined a plasma scorch mark would look like, the lighting engine is stunning, it is SO cool jumping into a UNSC vehicle and seeing its headlights light up the path in front of you, or the soft orange glow and fume effects Banished vehicles have under them when theyre hovering... so much effort was put into the tiniest of details in Infinite, you can literally see the feel of the anodized paint on UNSC vehicles (this makes sense right? see the feel? lol), the overlayed hexes of forerunner alloys, the honeycomb on covie weaponry... the pine needles floating in the wind... and then. as you stated. you get snapped right out of it all the second a vehicle or explosive goes off... weve all most definitely voiced our opinions on the unacceptable features of Infinite, we know 343 is working on them even if we're getting radio silence from them, now its time to start firing off ideas for improvement and how we as the consumers feel that things can be improved or in what way things can be improved (i feel like changing the narrative from negative to positive will have a further reaching effect), like bringing back the stunning Halo 3 vehicle damage & destruction effects
@dovahsenshi675
@dovahsenshi675 2 жыл бұрын
I agree. On the point of having satisfying presentation, I think something that Maximilion Dood has talked about in regards to fighting games is a great example of that. Some of the most fun with fighting games comes from the game making you feel powerful. Good animations, particle effects, screen shake (similar to your point in your video on turrets), debris. These seemingly small things are important to make you "feel" what you do in game. And on the scarab explosions, Bungie even knew how satisfying they are. On the level The Ark in Halo 3, the elite shipmaster even calls it out. "Nice work spartan. I saw that explosion from orbit."
@huntermacdonald6431
@huntermacdonald6431 2 жыл бұрын
The best explosions belong to mad max hands down. The fire balls feel so hot as pieces of cars fly everywhere, dust is unsettled and shakes maxs bones. Easily the best explosion in gaming.
@TheRealLazyEntrepreneur
@TheRealLazyEntrepreneur 2 жыл бұрын
Underrated game I hear.
@Destroyer_V0
@Destroyer_V0 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheRealLazyEntrepreneur In terms of the presentation and core game mechanics? Yup, surprisingly good. Everything feels good to use, or in the case of enemies, you can get a pretty good idea of how much being hit by that giant hammer is going to hurt because it's a giant bloody hammer! Not to mention vehicle customization being reasonably in depth, with everything having pros and cons. Typically, more parts = more weight, less maneuverable, higher fuel consumption. But also more capable. Where it is let down, however. Is in the story itself.
@paperclip6377
@paperclip6377 8 ай бұрын
Hey what about Titanfall 2's explosions tho? It felt pretty good when you blew up a titan.
@NuggetEternal
@NuggetEternal 2 жыл бұрын
I've always known the 343 games, despite looking good, lacked a certain kind of visual polish that the Bungie games did, even in Infinite which is the most graphically advanced Halo to date, but I could never pinpoint it. I think the underwhelming explosions certainly play a big role. It seems small, but I do think it's quite a severe problem that should be rectified, but because most people won't think it's a big deal I don't really have the belief that it will because not enough people will be clamoring for it. Explosions play a big role in making the gameplay look and feel satisfying and rewarding, and also conveys visually and audibly just how dangerous weapons are and the damage they cause. 343 needs to learn this and give every explosion in the game the same love as the explosions that they do nail, like the grunt methane tank and sentinel explosions. I could also rant on about the 343 audio team's overall insistence on making some of the vehicles and other things not sound like their original counterparts from the Bungie era games, but that's a topic for another video perhaps.
@alertArchitect
@alertArchitect 2 жыл бұрын
Damn, seeing those side-by-side comparisons of the Halo 2 explosions and the Halo Infinite explosions really proves that 343 didn't just skimp on the visuals of the vehicles exploding, the audio is just... So weak, comparatively. The sound of the ghosts exploding before gave you this feeling of something was about to be violently ripped apart by the failure of its own component pieces, before suddenly this alien tech we don't fully understand gives this odd sound as it finally gives up and bursts. Meanwhile, the ghosts in Infinite just have the same sound as every other vehicle leading up to the explosion, a sound that feels like it came, unedited, from a sound library. As someone who gets immersed in media through sound more than just visuals, it just feels anemic.
@thelatenateshow7943
@thelatenateshow7943 2 жыл бұрын
Hell let loose explosions literally give me shivers and I haven’t even played it. Battlefield has always been good. The frag grenades going off in modern warfare remastered felt really satisfying to watch go off as well.
@-Cheif
@-Cheif 2 жыл бұрын
There’s 100% been times I tried to get into a ghost for 15 seconds only to realize it was dead
@snclemmons
@snclemmons 2 жыл бұрын
343 really needs you on board as a consultant. You are spot on with every take
@YarugumaSou
@YarugumaSou 2 жыл бұрын
"Chief has never looked so juicy" The same can't be said about multiplayer spartans
@brodyman30
@brodyman30 2 жыл бұрын
Stopped playing halo to watch a video about playing halo, I might have a problem
@bentdog00
@bentdog00 2 жыл бұрын
same here lol
@unknownwill4th549
@unknownwill4th549 2 жыл бұрын
Halo syndrome
@YOUNGPADAWON
@YOUNGPADAWON 2 жыл бұрын
Was always blown away as a kid seeing the explosions phantoms made
@zweb262
@zweb262 2 жыл бұрын
I love the explosions in Battlefield 4, especially the aircraft. Hatches get blown open, a shockwave tosses shrapnel everywhere, and the carcass of the vehicle slides to a stop. They also did a really good job in BF1.
@Trump_Gaming
@Trump_Gaming 2 жыл бұрын
Watching this video and playing Infinite has made me realize how much I appreciate the old Halo games’ explosions and sound effects. I LOVE Reach’s explosions. Halo 3 and 2 are honestly just as good. There’s also a weird nostalgic factor to it too. I just love the sound effects 🥺 especially on the Halo 3 phantom explosion!
@alexandromorales2000
@alexandromorales2000 2 жыл бұрын
Even though the game is fully out I still feel like I’m still playing some type of beta. Expectations were and are still high. 343 can be one step closer to redemption but two steps behind in some areas.
@iamnathanael2132
@iamnathanael2132 2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad this is being addressed! I just think 343 is still not actually done. Just needs more polish I love the way in halo 2 how the sentinels burst into a ball of flame, fall to the ground and then explode even further, hurting you if you're not careful.
@BeavisT-800
@BeavisT-800 2 жыл бұрын
Nah they just suck and haven't got anything on Bungie Halo'. They delayed the game for a almost a while year, they've gotta be done lmao
@LaughingGun92
@LaughingGun92 2 жыл бұрын
I to have had the problem of thinking a destroyed Ghost was still operational, died on my legendary run because of it. What really hurts is the Phantom, which is the most neutered explosion in the game, actually has some decent damage effects when it takes some as shown off by Rejectedshotgun.
@oki3919
@oki3919 2 жыл бұрын
My friend and I were literally saying exactly what you said even before launch!!! it was like you were speaking directly from our hearts
@turnerflorence9658
@turnerflorence9658 2 жыл бұрын
Its not just the explosions in this game, it's also particle effects in general, they are incredibly underwhelming. It's pretty confusing that since 2001 they have always looked better than they have here.
@yeetmachine1678
@yeetmachine1678 2 жыл бұрын
The rocket launcher in DOOM ETERNAL has some very nice explosion animations and the firing sound of said rocket launcher is beefy
@XxHistorikxX
@XxHistorikxX 2 жыл бұрын
I was waiting for you to make a video about this. I knew from the first frag explosion I saw you were gunna hate it
@snowy9587
@snowy9587 2 жыл бұрын
Not exactly an explosion but instead really good combat detail in a game: FEAR's gunplay feels so visceral and punchy, with all the special visual effects when using the focus mechanic. The animations for the guns, environment and enemies also are great. Mowing down a psychically controlled soldier, with massive bursts of blood, smoke and sparks as your bullets rip right through them and ricochet off the concrete behind them, its soooo satisfying
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