Hambini, ROASTED by $500 CHINESE BIKE FRAME (Trifox X10) Part 1 [YouTube Cut]

[@Hambini]

Before anyone says anything. Yes I did see the trace velo video. That frame may have had a faulty fork. This one hasn't. But you should also note the following. Trifox replaced that fork with no questions asked. When I pointed out a frame that had a 5 inch void down the length of the downtube to OPEN cycle (Kessler, Vroomen and co), they tried to get the video(s) removed and sue me. So in the interests of sport and to reduce your time googling here's a link to those two videos kzbin.info/www/bejne/rnPceH-Fqpmamtk and here kzbin.info/www/bejne/p3TKoYmsZZyai80

[@waynosfotos]

Did you see the Trace velo video? Lol 😆👍

[@Hambini]

@@waynosfotos Did you see the scale?!

[@volksyes9477]

Now the question is is it safe for a 80kg rider?

[@davidjennings3462]

Do you know if the frame was chosen specifically to make sue it was within tolerances or was the frame the same as any consumer could buy

[@waynosfotos]

@@Hambini do you mean on the trace velo vid?

[@robincooney1263]

Thanks Hambini. This is far more useful than a review from Bike Radar, Cycling Weekly etc. because it is an actual Engineering review looking at tolerances and issues that will affect the function of the bike. Most reviews are warmed-over advertising guff.

[@Lacking_something]

As this was offered by the manufacturer, might they have selected a particularly good example? Would be good to order a few at random and see how they fare.

[@rob1984p]

I have a friend that worked for many years as a quality engineer in the hand tool industry, mostly at Neil tools that own/ed many more well known tool brands, Spear and Jackson and Eclipse to name a couple. He told me many times that when production moved to the far east any samples they were sent were awesome but when they sampled anything from the production run the quality was dogshit, he said they could never seem to get the heat treatment right. They could only reason that they had special departments or places to get the sample made to secure the contract.

[@PoltergeistWorks]

Of course they paid special attention to that frame. Even Luescher Teknik mentioned that he was being offered "special quality samples" from factories from China if he so desired :)

[@StopaskingformynameYouTube]

Doubt it, trace velo has had his bike for a long time now, trifox frame that has done quite some miles. He had one problem with it and it was the thru-axle on the fork.

[@ATB990]

I think this is the only solution

[@Thomas-vc6mg]

This so much...

[@jonnythelegs2597]

Front mech mount replaceable or another way to look at it is "removable" for a tidier 1x setup.

[@paddlestandingup]

I was thinking that too.

[@lordalfa600]

1x TT setup

[@404nobrakes]

Also good in case you damage the fd hanger because of overtorque like on my frame. The hanger is made of soft alloy and so it's permanently damaged and non-replaceable.

[@richconrad4867]

Gives the 1x or Classified hub option. Cant get the Classified mech in the US yet...

[@robertfontaine3650]

A bicycle frame without significant faults. A rare event.

[@log_it8282]

Since they send it to Hambini I bet it was pre-checked by the manufacturer to make sure it's pretty much flawless. So basically the QC every 'premium' brand should do which is obviously not always the case.

[@Velodictorian]

@@log_it8282 Anyone venture to plunk down $630 to purchase a random one and send it to Hambini to see if the QC is repeatable?

[@tomwilliamson6324]

If Open Cycles got to choose which one to send to be checked for tolerances then I'm sure they could (eventually) find one as good as this too. The rare event seems to be the BS marketing not coming from the "usual marketing departments" this time

[@RudiDwiHartanto]

@@Velodictorian one of my mate use this frame in the dark color so far so good, not much flex, bb area super stiff and actually round on the bb hole. It's super good for the price.

[@eternaloptimist2840]

@@log_it8282 If that were true it at least demonstrates that they are capable of measuring frame alignment to an acceptable level. The next step to quality is diagnosing assembly problems that lead to inaccuracy. Once those are rectified you just need to decide where to draw the line, a balance between the quality you would like to offer and the quality you can afford to offer.

[@evs5240]

6:20 Pretty sure that rubber thing serves the purpose of preventing water and dirt from getting in between the frame's seat tube and seat post. Getting dirt in there can lead to some annoying creaking noises when pedaling from my experience.

[@thekeytoairpower]

Think you are right mate... both my giants have something similar to cover the wedge mechanism once you have the seat height set.

[@johntracey8592]

from my experience with chinese frames, those rubber things don’t actually stop water from going in lol. its kinda like putting a plastic bag over it. I used it and water got in so now my seatpost clamp is rusty

[@MrHcharles]

Set it all up then put some Vaseline on it to stop the water getting in to seal it, probably something better to use, goose fat that you have left over from Christmas?

[@danfuerthgillis4483]

@@MrHcharles Lmao that is what I use, vaseline on my Sava bike even thought it has the cover flap for the tightening bolt.

[@alfaromeo1996]

Isn't that rubber seatpost gasket on upside-down and backwards? Looks like it should fit flush on the top tube.

[@matthaywood7942]

I would agree as then it would cover up the seat post clamp and screw mechanism

[@JTPerfomance]

this is the cover that canyon forgot with the new aeroad 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

[@grantnyenes3742]

Yes agreed, flip it upside down and it will give a good seal against water ingress into the seat post:-)

[@chrispalmer3096]

Yes it is. Covers the seat post bolt.

[@raspberrylord9550]

@@JTPerfomance like seriously, how did Canyon not think of that?

[@peglor]

It's sad that even basic alignment of the mounting points on the frame can't be assumed on bike frames these days. The real test of the 'budget' Chinese frames is x-raying them for voids though. The next is whether it passes ISO frame durability testing. For stuff sold in the EU, this is one thing that must be done by the manufacturer before they can sell it with EU safety approval. Buying direct from China allows individual buyers to skirt this requirement, but if they want to sell from an EU location or if an importer wants to sell them under another label claiming to be an EU bike brand they'll have to do this.

[@JohnnyMotel99]

some Aussie bloke has had his TRIFOX tested for voids, search Trifox frame here

[@jev2867]

Many big names have faulty products, after they are certified through testing.

[@dominicward3523]

Cam Nicols is the Oz guy. The bike is a Winspace though

[@punhantalibkhanli3911]

So if a Chinese brand has a warehouse in EU, and sells its products from that warehouse, does it mean that is it safe to buy?

[@chrispalmer3096]

My Chinese bike was shipped from here in the UK, and my Elite wheels are meant to be UCI approved. Can't say for sure if they are, but they've been fine for the times I've used them for.

[@micw8422]

Either way, very smart of Trifoxbike to send you the frame to review. As long as they didn't get blown out of the water, this makes there name visible out of the other sea of frame manufacturers where the brand is below the radar from the masses. Thanks @Hambini, informative and entertaining as usual.

[@jackwhale8152]

Forgot to turn the volume down at first, really woke me up from a sleepy Sunday morning

[@loopie007]

I want to thank Hambini for giving me 5 sec to get to the volume adjustment before the acutal intro. I have become one of Pavlov's (Hambini's) Dogs.

[@dirkgross1603]

Rookie mistake

[@miniman1432]

If you have a chance to X-ray this I’d be interested in seeing the density of the carbon. Also, I’m familiar with Chinese companies outside of the bike realm who replicate clothing and accessories and they will send a product over to be reviewed that has been closely scrutinized for quality but the quality of the regular orders sent to customers will vary greatly. I’m not saying this is the case with Trifox in fact I hope it’s not but it’d be nice if one of your subscribers could order one directly and send it in for a comparison.

[@alan-sk7ky]

Indeed its called quality fade, go find a book called 'Poorly Made in China' :-0

[@andrewpeat530]

A bit like my Specialized levo then’ battery bash guard 5mm difference side to side, wobbly flat surfaces and moulded headset cups that I could have done a better job of. Also I have had giant mtb that has a finish like crazy paving at all the main stress points after a year of riding. I think whoever makes the frames providing they don’t kill you comes down to after care service ‘warranty’

[@bobboskompis5941]

I was thinking the same as Ian, world be nice with a frame that was not "targeted" for a review.

[@dfpguitar]

the established western brands could be doing the same thing though

[@miniman1432]

@@dfpguitar they could be and probably are. Hambinis roasted several of them for shit quality. I'm just saying we should get a second opinion on a Trifox frame that hasn't been handpicked by them for a review.

[@ti3685]

The plugged hole between the bottle mounts is for the external DI2 battery box from Shimano that mounts under the bottle cage. At least this is the position that Shimano has in their spec.

[@RedmercyGG]

Hambini (Aug 2020): "I’m surprised he (Trace Velo) hasn't ended up in A&E yet." Hambini (Mar 2021): Roasted by $500 Chinese bike frame...........PART 1

[@alfaromeo1996]

P.S. Paul Weller called asking for his hair back.

[@Hambini]

Everyone's jealous of my hair

[@melbournecyclingsegments7510]

@@Hambini me too

[@itsallac0nspiracy]

@@Hambini Does Hambini feature in the GLC 'Wellend' video, I wonder?

[@somewhatfrog]

Plot twist, they've sent Hambini the best one they could possibly make (tho I hope that's just the way the make all of them). By the way, removable front hanger is a great option for those who prefer to run 1x.

[@mabozza85]

damn i legit have this frame, ultegra groupset and borg wheels. 100% faultless.

[@davemellor4697]

Hi Mike...Dave M from Halstead here! And people this guys blinking quick on this bike!

[@mabozza85]

@@davemellor4697 sorry just seen this. ha thanks dave 😁

[@Free_Ranger_CT110]

Well done to Trifox, for producing a quality frame at an acceptable price & also having the balls to send one to Hambini for testing. How to sell bikes without a huge marketing dept & budget? Work with Hambini & not against him.

[@davidmajor2793]

The one they send for review, and the one the customer gets are two very different frames in terms of quality.

[@AndrewTSq]

@@davidmajor2793 isnt that the case for every manufactor? Only when a bike gets sent to GCN, they also get a bag of money to show it.

[@peteo3436]

If this frame was supplied by the manufacturer, how do we know it was picked off the production line and not one given special treatment?

[@jameswarner8038]

Assume it was

[@acelectricalsecurity]

You think they have made a special one for review? To be honest they seem an ok firm, after all they replaced a faulty fork with no issue on trace velo's channel

[@Tronter]

@@acelectricalsecurity not necessarily made specifically for review but one that passes all of their internal QC checks with flying colours

[@fergusdenoon1255]

Yeah, I think if Canyon or Sworks sent hambini a frame, he'd likely need a set of more refined measuring devices. I'd say it's taken them this long to find one on their production line that's good enough to send to hambini, whilst other reviewers got one a while ago because they don't measure anything. I'd still have one.

[@johnmoruzzi7236]

Has to be born in mind... he usually gets stuff that is found to be.bad in some way and the manufacturers don’t care.

[@moe-moon]

Thanks Hambini. This is both refreshing and sad. I paid retail for my Giant Propel which can't bake properly going down a hill, and here is a $500 frame that isn't completely rubbish. If these Chinese manufacturer's can provide some sense of customisation over the graphic, I'd be really interested.

[@cjohnson3836]

Don't know about TriFox, but when I contacted Dengfu they sent me complete color palette of paint options to choose from with different pricings on 1,2,3 color schemes and different affects (fades, striping, etc).

[@MrJoep87]

@@cjohnson3836 love my Dengfu R01! Great bike

[@eastcardinal]

Be grateful it can bake at all. I'd love a bike that produced lunch.

[@oscarromero7027]

To be fair, I don't know much about manufacturing processes and how easy it is to replicate and maintain consistency, but do you ever wonder if they sent you a frame that has gone through extraordinary QA for the purpose of this video, whereas the general stock isn't as carefully QA'd?

[@ColinWatters]

6:20 I think that unknown thing is on upside down. To me it looks like a cover to go over the hole in the frame where you put the Allen key in.

[@hiigara2085]

Haha now that's funny. I just bought a chinalini (china-cipollini) because of your absolute destruction of high spec frames over the past few years. I figured the £400 price tag was worth the punt. Now you posted a video on a chinarello product I'm getting. Nice. Have a good day bro. 👌👊

[@rstemerdink]

I also have the Cipollini frame. I did have a crack where the seatpost sits in the seat-tube, but probably due to me dropping the bike twice. I took it to a repair-man who repairs bikes for well-known Dutch cyclists (professional teams!) and he liked the frame.

[@lloydhlavac6807]

Love the honest review from someone who knows what they are talking about!

[@carlgoodfellow8324]

The rubber gromet under the bottle cage is old school DI2 wiring port. The external battery used to mount under the bottle cage with the wires entering between the bottle cage bolts.

[@michaelgoodwin593]

Keep seeing people talk about this channel on Pistonheads. Subbed. I wish these Chinese frames didnt have such crap names. Do they stick them in random name generators or something

[@klausdietrich9475]

Real world testing: after riding the X10 for about 300km I can say: "It is a comfortable & efficient bike that descends well. I built it up with a one-by setup and mechanical disc brakes. Without pedals and 60mm wheels it weighs in at 8,2kg (size L, standard parts). I did have some issues with the rear seatclamp bolt slipping into the seatpost. But a Dremel and some shims have put and end to this problem."

[@ianpenson1777]

I have got one of these frames (slightly older with rim brakes) which has been "badged" as Cippolini! It was an eBay bargain and I built it into a nice road bike with second hand Ultegra and 105 and Chinese bits. To same I'm pleased with it would be an understatement. The detailing is great, build quality excellent, stiffness amazing. It gets lots of admiring comments at the tea stop and on Facebook. My whole bike cost £1,200 and comes in at 7.4kg.

[@Hambini]

i think you've hit the nail on the head. These bikes are no worse than the expensive ones and you aren't paying the pretty premium

[@aszalai86]

Just one remark: from the mainstream manufacturers, Hambini only sees the shittiest ones (the ones that get sent to him because the owner has a serious problem), while this can easily be a pre-checked, selected frame which turned out to be the best of the lot. You will never know how much chance you have of getting a faulty frame, and if you don't notice it immediately (as I am pretty sure I wouldn't notice voids until they break, or a 0.1mm off BB until it starts to eat bearings, or 2 degrees deviation from perpendiculat in the geometry), the warranty does not really help.

[@gregbyrne7725]

Looks nice but I still want a Time Scylon.

[@glennoc8585]

Yeah it's a thing of beauty

[@SinAlameda]

Same

[@danielnanowski3087]

You and me both mate ......

[@MrKadillak]

I do have a Time Scylon and it is awesome! The Lightweight tubulars are the perfect wheel choice

[@tobycolin6271]

I like the tri fox and the win space frames for me as a mechanic it makes sense. For some people with less experience the expense of building up a frame at the lsb may not. You have to balance what’s hassle free warranty versus dealing with the manufacturers direct. But it does make the direct sale European reseller model look expensive. Painted or unpainted I’ve faced a lot of disc mounts on a wide range of frames , facing the mounts is the best way I’ve found to eradicate customer brake rub and screech. Personally I’d like a 27.2 mm round post and identify a 3rd party supply of derailleur hangars.

[@scoobyben1979]

That hole under the bottlecage bolts is to allow the external di2 battery to be mounted on the bottle cage. It's where the cable comes out of the frame.

[@Ob1sdarkside]

This vid makes me feel a whole lot better about my planet x carbon frame, despite the tolerance issues of the headset bearings.

[@abedfo88]

Planet X buy from some pretty reputable frame produces. My Holdsworth super professional is actually a pardus super 5 which has been reviewed by China cycling in the past. Also I'm pretty sure the planet x free ranger is a carbonda 696 which is also a great frame.

[@hallisoft1926]

The rubber piece on the seat post is a cover for the frame/seat post interface. You have it installed upside down but not bad for a 5 year old. Frame looks quite similar to a Visp frame I have on my indoor bike. Visp frame had some small issues - mounting for front disc holes not tapped deep enough and some rough edges on the underside cable guides (below cover plate). Visp frame also has internal routing in forks. Used it for many indoor rides and so far no issues

[@miniac60]

The rubber looks like a dust cap for the seat tube/frame interface, you've got it upside-down

[@taktischekartoffel]

Fwiw. I broke the front mech hanger on my giant. Ripped it out of the frame when the chain broke and caught it.

[@jonnythelegs2597]

If you're in the UK, CarbonBikeRepair will probably be able to fix it and any paint issues caused, ive sent a couple of frames to them in the past for customers, tidy result both times.

[@drsus0]

What are the chances they put everyone to work on this frame for you to see it? As in... are we suckers getting the same QC if we buy one? ... you should buy one anonymously :)

[@hankmoody270]

03:10 Yep, that's to give the bottle cage a soft bit to press up against, reduce vibration and keep it just off the frame 👌🏼

[@FfejerooShore]

No - for di2 battery wiring on down tube

[@Varaxis]

So Hambini gets roasted by the frame when the frame doesn't need his BB?

[@mattpatt]

*Doesn't need a custom hambini bb.

[@petermadach]

Atho it's more like a gravel, rather than a roadie thing, they might have made the front mech hanger removable if you would wanna run 1X drivetrain.

[@cjohnson3836]

Yeah. Or possibly internal gear hub.

[@ad9898]

It's Hambini, I hit the like button before I watched the vid!

[@theadventurebiker]

Would love to see an ultrasound analysis & evaluation on the carbon construction of this bike by Luescher Teknic.

[@timacevedo2131]

Hambini, I'm glad tio know that the geometry on this bike is excellent. However, there is no carbon thickness inspection and/or proper laying of the carbon fiber analysis here (ultrasound, etc). A stress analysis would also be needed. We' don't want to wind up in an E-room if one cracks their head while riding it

[@martynfairclough5013]

Was there ever a part2?

[@stuart3744]

Love all your videos and all the effort you put in, I guess in the end we as buyers don’t really know if we are getting a product that has been thoroughly inspected by the companies , take the trifox for example will they all be of this quality ( quality control was the phrase I was looking for😀)

[@hedleykerr3564]

The front mech. is removable in case you want to go 1x! Great job always enjoy your reviews!

[@mickchaganis6607]

Well Mr Hambini, after watching your video, I have just ordered their lightweight Trifox X16 rim brake model in colourshift blue, 3 interest free payments of £178 on PayPal credit, this is silly cheap. Thank you for your viewpoint.

[@sless6928]

14:05 "Honestly if it was me I wouldn't even bother talking about it"...Hambini it is you 😀

[@maxperekislov3789]

It is really him - biased Hambini ;)

[@fergusdenoon1255]

Also... another entire video complaining about this issue on a frame made by a well known manufacturer... So, obviously was worth talking about.

[@PK_Blinder]

Their translation department will have fun with all the swear words 😂

[@davemellor4697]

Hambini i just ordered a camo in 54cm as an exercise just to see how good it is along side my Look 695 and my Wilier cento 1 air i will run either borg or winspace on it with Ultegra and just see what its like!

[@MrTimeslip]

Did you already recieve it?

[@WakizashiSabre]

Curious about the result myself as well.

[@greggsenne1268]

A couple of dozen years ago some cycling mag did a comparison of wheels from various manufacturers and models. Wide range of prices. No correlation between price and performance. None. Nada. Zilch. Zero. Nil. Some $3,000 wheelsets no better than $350 wheelsets. So, not too surprised when a humble manufacturer bothers to get it right at a fair price. Thanks, Mr. H!

[@Muzzledoctor]

That rubber grommet between the 2 bottle cage bolts on the downtube are to use a clip for the hydraulic hose for the rear brake. It is supposed to reduce rattling of the hose in the frame. I had this same question on a Canyon and this is the explanation I was given.

[@gg4760-k5n]

Being marketing manager for and outdoor and cycling gear company I can vouch for the total lack of impartiality of any media wether in the cycling or the outdoors world. You can have the most innovative or quality product you want, if you don't buy ads from them, you can only dream that they may talk or review your products. On the other hand if you spend a lot in ads then your products will be reviewed on pretty much every issue, be put in shopping selections and so on. Before getting on this job I held specialized media in semi respect but now I am convinced it is complete joke.

[@acelectricalsecurity]

I have seen several reviews on this companies products and they have all been positive. You only really know how good a firm is, when you have an issue, and as mentioned they sent a replacement fork out, and I would like to think it wasn't just because the guy had a you tube channel.

[@mathewjames4137]

I think the rubber bung in between the two front bottle bolts is to bolt in the Di2 battery if you run Di2. It's there on my Canyon Grail.

[@seanfitzmaurice4226]

Have a Chinese velobuild frame for 3 years now, I weigh 105kg, I've bunny hopped it and really pushed it around and its still flawless. Only major issue I had was the seat post slipping, fixed it with some plastic wrapping as a shim.

[@targaW3007]

The plastic at the seat post ist the cover for the seat clamp, and the front derailleur hanger is removable if you like to use this frame with 1x12 or 1x11.

[@normankoo6159]

Thanks for your fair assessment. It’s great that you do not have any preconceived unchangeable biases.

[@sherwinfrederick7122]

The rubber thing on the seatpost is the bolt cover for the seatube/toptube

[@adamsouthard1155]

I broke my front mech hanger. And Cannondale admitted it was an issue that happened with a couple of their models that used that hangar (2015 - 2018). And, they refused to fix it for me. So, now I run 1x. That's why it's good to have a replaceable front mech hangar.

[@zzhughesd]

Looks DR spec. Isn’t carbon cheap direct no US EU marketing

[@DrJRMCFC]

Do they do a rim brake less aero version? if they do with threaded bottom brackets and this quality of engineering i’d buy one though might change the paint job.

[@ollieb9875]

I look for rim brake version and yes they have v-brake ones for about £468. Still with the aero seat tube and post though far as I can see. 🤔

[@ollieb9875]

@@davidgfisher I've bookmarked it cheers. A plain one with v-brakes would be uber cool. 😋 It'd still take me a year to scratch the money together for all the rest of it 😅

[@chrispalmer3096]

Og-Evkin do the rim brake version of this for £350

[@sylvaingilson7091]

@@davidgfisher trifox doesn't seem to do that because I asked to have one frame without their logo and they said it wasn't possible. Agree that paint jobs are not the best but for this price wth, my X12 frame (Tiffany color) had a great chameleon paint though

[@arzemagic]

It all looks fantastic but do you not think that if it’s come directly from the factory for you they picked out the best frame they’ve ever made?

[@toomuchornotenough6914]

I'm very glad my choice of frame has gotten the Hambini seal of approval

[@Sills71]

the thing on the post is a piece to cove the access to the bolt that holds the post

[@Bob-rm5et]

Did you know that Cinelli (and some other big brands) is using open mould frames directly from China They just do the paint job

[@cyclingmilan]

they also add quite a bit to the price :D

[@dioright]

That's dialectical manufacturing

[@Reanimator999]

No duh, but Cinelli's paint job is so nice....

[@bb1039]

Cipolini !

[@Bob-rm5et]

@@dioright hahaha good hegel reference

[@TheSandstormer]

The best 6 yr old engineer!

[@manueldeubler1127]

Darn, I missed his birthday. I started watching Hambini's videos when he was 5.

[@micc1000]

The thing between the bottle cage bolts, could be to pass a zip tie through it, then around the internal cables to tighten and avoid them rattling. Canyon does that :)

[@FfejerooShore]

Actually I think it’s for the old di2 battery that would mount on the bottle cages. Wire from inside to battery goes through the hole. If no battery there, then rubber grommet stays.

[@colinvanwijk5731]

Rubber bit on the seat post goes the other way around as a sleeve where it goes into the frame (dirt, water).

[@richardbirks]

More sweary excellence from my favourite engineering KZbinr - and I've also had my eye on building a China-rello for a while now. Perfect timing!

[@theoriginalrecycler]

I have seen and repaired dozens of front mech mounts. So replaceable mount is useful. Also if you want to ride 1x, the mount can be removed for aesthetics.

[@elorz007]

The sadness in the "until next time, ciao ciao" is palpable. Especially compared to the enthusiastic farewell in the odysee version.

[@MrJhockley]

Yep does look like a Cippolini. The moulding looks very similar to Orro but without the down tube front wheel cut out, recessed front mech and top mounted seat post fixing. Is Trifox oem for frames?

[@Hambini]

Yes

[@roveism]

Wheres Part 2?

[@michaelchapman9422]

The rubber bit on the seat post may to be cover the wedge/clamp, got something similar on mine

[@DrJRMCFC]

isn’t that rubber thing for sliding down to cover the gap between the frame and the seat post to stop gunk getting in it and then being really hard to get out in 6 months time. I wish ‘ my friend’s’ Pinarello F8 had one. Very nice little touch.

[@loopie007]

Looks like Hambini had it upside down. Then it would be obvious. Or maybe it's a test for us to see if we are paying attention and will elect to comment.

[@markstone5390]

It must be really nice for a change to have a frame that has more pluses than negatives.

[@marcalvarez4890]

Its a one off sent by the manufacturer directly to be tested. Of COURSE it's perfect. Its one of a kind. Lets see this test done with a random frame bought 4 months from now. Judging a line of products by testing a specially sent one is ludicrous.

[@markstone5390]

@@marcalvarez4890 good point. I'm still old school. I have more steel frames than carbon ones. Seem alot better made.

[@Andreoli2005]

I believe you have the rubber bit on the seat post upside down. Looks like it's meant to keep grit out of the wedge being that could create catastrophic failure. Just a thought, much luv Hambini.

[@cshighlights1464]

I laughed when he said " its 639 dollars shipped to your door......... its really quite cheap"

[@stephanelouvet1113]

3:14 This is to maybe crew a clamp inside the frame to hold in place the hydraulic line for the rear brake. Otherwise it can rattle in the frame on rough roads. 6:30 it look to be a a seatpost clamp cover so the water and dirt does't there. It's upside down and front-rear reversed. (it looks the seatpost section is double symetric)

[@32993771243475]

I don’t question that’s an excellent frame, what I worry is the consistency of the quality when they start making thousands of those. Again, I don’t hate it, but it needs more than just one good frame to gain my trust.

[@carlcastillo5460]

Hello Hambini! What measuring tools do you use in measuring the angles in the bike frame (e.g. from center of rear axle to seatpost)?

[@niezbo]

At 13:30 - there's seems to be problem with plane alignment of left and right hole for bottom bracket? Are those parallel to each other, or there's a problem with concentric alignment?

[@cup_and_cone]

6:22 - Just a guess, but maybe that's a rain guard to keep water from dripping down the post/clamp and into the frame? I believe you have it upside-down and backwards, it would slide down over the seat clamp.

[@lloydusdavies]

I think you are right.

[@bikerdude221]

Yup, exactly what it is and was just feed through upsidedown.

[@phillippowell3847]

Hi just fell into this rabbit hole :-) Question what do they do about galvanic corrosion ?

[@glennoc8585]

Was there any float in the head tube? I've had to epoxy bearings to get rid of excessive play which preload alone couldn't correct.

[@martynfairclough5013]

Yo . I'm thinking of buying the rim break version of this frame . I currently own a ribble r872 that I bought on ebay for 600 pounds when I got it home the carbon need repairing and it's been a great bike over lockdowns . I'm now wanting to upgrade after taking it to the point where it's as good as it's going to get . My question is it a wise choice to buy the tri fox frame and more my running gear over to it or . Splash out 3500 on a second hand di2 trek madone?

[@godwindracing6056]

What have I learned from this video - you can make your bike cheaper by not having a marketing team

[@cjohnson3836]

Consumer cost is all marketing. Marketing team determines a profit margin and price point, engineering designs to meet that goal. Consumer price and production costs are completely divorced.

[@DWMtukwila]

I am wondering about the Seraph frames as they use EPS construction. Would that help that frame have fewer voids and a better resin to fiber ratio? I am looking for a Chinese frame now. Thanks

[@RaymondLu1983]

Holy only 500? My local crapy bikes r more expensive than that! Thank you for the review, the manufacturer should thank you for that and keep working on their new frame

[@paulyflyer8154]

2 of my bikes have carbon frames and after watching many of these type of videos, I always sh*t myself tearing down a hill at 40mph wondering if I'll ever see my family again. When I do the same on my steel and aluminium frames I never think of anything other than the next cafe. Justified or not, just this anxiety is enough for me never to buy carbon again.

[@hankmoody270]

06:22 could be to keep the seat post base extra water-tight? Keep rain etc from seeping in 🤷🏻‍♂️ just a guess

[@forzaviola9512]

Thanks for the quick overview. Have you had any experience with TriFox frames that weren’t sent to you? Ferrari, Mercedes, and a few other manufacturers were known to devote special “attention” to press cars in order to garner positive media reviews prior to launch. This even extended to the occasional mechanical upgrade otherwise unavailable in the cars purchased by the general public, with the media and public both typically none the wiser. It’s great to know that TriFox’s best is very good indeed, but I’d like to know that the same quality is accessible to non-five-year-olds who put up their own money.

[@ernestpetros6178]

10 Years ago high prices for branded carbon bikes could have been justified. Now, when the Chinese no name industry has advanced and is on par with the branded names why overpaying for a brand? Not rational at all. I feel downright fool for paying 5k to Pinarello. 1000k is for the frame and the rest 4 is for marketing.

[@marcalvarez4890]

This is a one off frame, not one randomly bought by a consumer. Its not a relevant data point.

[@davespooney8472]

To be Fair Boardman did a cracking job with their SRAM Rival equipped Team Carbon in 2009 @ £999. Not sure how one would fair under the Hambini microscope but I covered thousands of miles with zero issues. Time flies

[@eamonncoady9823]

Another informative and educational hambini production as always. I miss the expletives because in educated and Irish.

[@precisionendodontics188]

I would love to build a gravel bike from aliexpress components, but I do want to make sure that the frame is decent. Any brands or sellers besides trifox you could recommend?

[@5tanw0rr311]

So with no hole(s) in the front fork for hydraulic line is it left to the consumer to drill them?

[@StrictBearAtarian]

love the videos, long time viewer first time asking a question. is it possible to check the actual quality of the carbon compared to other brands (regardless of voids), ie how do you know the chances of it randomly break in half while bombing down a big hill compared to other brands, as isn't that often the worry with cheap carbon? thanks

[@Hambini]

not really, you'd need to do some ndt.

[@StrictBearAtarian]

@@Hambini right oh, had a feeling that might be the answer. thanks for the amazingly quick response, look forward to more vids

[@brianbooth4435]

Trifox know your reputation so would only send you a perfect frame to test. For a true test you should acquire one of their frames anonymously and test that one to the same standard you tested this one. Then we can see if it is really a great frame.

[@barrysutton1376]

Bingo

[@syedrizvi8797]

Hi hambini I saw that it said this frame is made from a 3k weave is that something to be worried about as i've heard that frames should be UD ?

[@criticalthought7527]

Thanks for the review. Do you have access to X Ray, or Ultrasonic, or... inspection?