Hamilton vs Verstappen: Who Was To Blame At Monza? | Jolyon Palmer's F1 TV Analysis

Lewis Hamilton and Max Verstappen's latest clash was the big talking point in Monza. Jolyon Palmer breaks it all down, from the build-up through to their race-ending collision at Turn 2.
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[@ryans167]

This is the type of unbiased, detailed analysis that everyone needs to see

[@bhavyae_jain]

Max and Lewis fans incoming

[@Spurs_india]

Max fan i agree

[@JM-uc3sg]

@@Spurs_india did you agree when he concluded silverstone was a racing incident too

[@Spurs_india]

@@JM-uc3sg tbh I really didn't see that accident clearly n I didn't think of much.

[@JM-uc3sg]

@@Spurs_india fair

[@addinnaufal898]

We're witnessing probably the best season since the start of turbo hybrid era.

[@Sjdjsjsj3]

Evet

[@bugra320]

turbo hybrid era was and will always be boring compared to V10 era

[@jbbzxy6749]

@O'Trenbologna Mike nostalgia merchant stop complaining about things you can't change and enjoy what you have

[@AutumnKitty1]

@O'Trenbologna Mike what more do you people want, sheesh

[@veckgames]

That's not saying much, this has been the most predictable and boring era of F1 ever. There's never been realistically more than 2 teams fighting for the title since 2014 and in some years nobody could even challenge Mercedes. Throw in cars with aero profiles that make overtaking difficult as well and it doesn't exactly make for a great era of F1.

[@mightress]

FIA: let's make racing safer. Also FIA: let's put sausace kerbs to launch cars.

[@4ntoCatch]

yea they need to review that fast!

[@bobstirling6885]

the sausage kerbs are not new....Max hit the same one in 2017....

[@mightress]

@@bobstirling6885 yes, but that does not make it any safer.

[@marcomonterroza6334]

Maybe you're right. But, How would you prevent drivers to cut the chicane? Which one is the real solution to that that problem?

[@mightress]

@@marcomonterroza6334 five seconds penalty? Those kerbs are Proven to be rather dangerous not just in F1.

[@MZ-yz6wt]

The best analysis of this incident around anywhere. Really took the time to look at hiw other drivers handled the corner and compare. That’s why this F1 channel has top content.

[@samtodd7860]

This was expertly done, comparing against two other incidents which were very similar but also had different outcomes. I’m a fan of these every week but this was one of the best ones yet

[@mr.o523]

The first minute of this video and I already see Hamilton giving Yuki space on the inside of t1 t2.... This is a joke in my eyes.

[@atw230]

Verstappen either right or showed terrible sportsmanship by not even checking on Lewis. Very immature and its starting to show with his aggressive attitude and behavior.

[@lunasilvermoon2283]

@@mr.o523 The joke in your eyes probably comes from the fact that Yuki wasn't anywhere near Hamilton. That's Pierre Gasly xD Difference between Gasly, Norris (who Hamilton also gave more space) and Verstappen is that neither Gasly or Norris are competition to him in the title fight, where as Verstappen is. Crudely spoken, Hamilton losing a position to Pierre or Lando doesn't matter that much and isn't worth risking contact for.

[@Drkacsabaszk]

@@atw230 are you still on this false narrative? Why are you just ignoring the fact that Max looked at Lewis and saw and heard thst he was still revving the merc? 🤡🤡🤡 The fanboys are just blind lol

[@atw230]

@@Drkacsabaszk Your lost in Translation. Didn't check on him even after. He saw Video but us grownups know better. Take it easy expert.

[@BRADREDSTEEL]

Always enjoy Jolyons analysis post race. He's a great presenter and does a solid job.

[@officialWWM]

Better than he was at driving…

[@DarthVader-nn9id]

It's just his KARMA

[@theruckinmaul1460]

And even better, he is not bias.

[@airstrikezz]

Raikkonen back in Lotus has approved this

[@siddharthsharma8940]

@@theruckinmaul1460 *biased.

[@alexm.s4000]

The one problem with lewis giving or not giving space is that even if he shut off the space completely, max would still have tried to stick the car in. The old (cliché) saying goes: "if you do not go for a gap that exists, you are no longer a racing driver" But conversly: "if you go for a gap that doesnt exist, youre Pastor Maldonado"

[@ZAH33D]

This comment is funny to me because both the comments are Pastor Maldonado moments. Senna said this after crashing out rival Prost after going for a gap that never existed.

[@jonnydavison9222]

Leclerc didn’t leave the space for Giovanazi, you can clearly see they make contact and Antonio pushes Charles wide

[@jonnydavison9222]

They had already touched by this point so Charles was pushed wide. He wasn’t “letting him go” he had no choice but to open the door. No doubt if the contact between Max & Lewis had been less severe Lewis would have “let him go” as he always does

[@juliuswi8767]

There was also a train of cars including a Mclaren directly in front of him that may have also affected Leclercs decision making. It was a very similar but at the same time different incident.

[@MrDoctorCrow]

Downside: A weekend without a race Upside: We get two weeks to argue about the crash

[@faizfaizar]

HAHAHAH

[@OMarcelo12]

Downside: A weekend without a race Downside: We get two weeks to argue about the crash Upside: DTS will be amazing at the end of the year

[@KitKitChanIsaac]

where RAWE CEEK

[@Rangifulla]

I'd rather talk about Ricciardos win

[@stratman9449]

@@Rangifulla go on then....but i'm not listening...:-)

[@rigsbyrigged1831]

I clicked on this video and paused it immediately to say this: I waited two whole days just for this... This was the analysis I wanted above all. Now I will watch the video :-)

[@starbuckscoffee8521]

You’d get it instantly if paid for the app if you want it that bad

[@62calum]

why? the guy thinks cars are side by side when one is half a car length in front.

[@mvd4436]

@@62calum So what. Giovinazzi and Leclerc show that the corner can be made just as Vertsappen tried

[@generalruckus]

I like the pace of your life!

[@mr.o523]

It was Hamilton's fault

[@officialWWM]

If they didn’t crash at this corner, they would have crashed at the next one…these two will never give each other an inch. That 100th win is proving to be very elusive for Lewis.

[@makkie211175]

Its funny you say this because at every other driver Hamilton is acting like a true gentlemen, look at the fight against Norris, same situation Lewis takes the save road and keeps Norris alive. With Verstappen, you know this will not happen.

[@ashyknees653]

no they wouldn't have, hamilton would have been far in front of Verstappen if they didn't crash here

[@f3p]

@@ashyknees653 well if verstappen didn’t go for the move he would get a tow and go for the move at turn 4 or maybe on the next lap, but Hamilton and Merc were faster that weekend so he would catch verstappen again

[@captainmostafa8089]

@@makkie211175 obviously, he isnt competing with Norris, so he wont risk his race to keep Norris behind, but he defo would to keep his rival behind

[@4ntoCatch]

@@makkie211175 its called reaping what you sow. Max never gives an inch

[@oldmanstumpie1061]

It would be very interesting to go back through all the Ver vs Ham overtakes or attempted overtakes and see the count of who yields rather than crashes.

[@trevorspeedy6333]

Hahaha, I’ve heard plenty of drivers say to stay away from Max

[@SneakyDSP]

If it wasn't for Lewis. They would have cost millions of dollars of damage haha

[@markrobinson9394]

It’s Lewis having to back out almost every time to avoid an accident. Max is dangerously aggressive, to the point where he’d prefer to crash than yield the position.

[@micahkiyimba8641]

@@markrobinson9394 He yielded in Barcelona and Portimao though. Sometimes the other guy is faster. However if it a 50-50 Move, Verstappen NEVER yields. Only go for a move on VER when you can clearly pass clean.

[@saynomoredontask6077]

There is clean pass on max ive never seen it lol either he will force u out or crash he is OK either way

[@TommoOnYoutube]

Lovely analysis

[@fiinPaterson]

Hello Tommo lad

[@detmer87]

tommo spotted in the WILD!

[@MrCourty89]

Really was, just a shame rational minds are in such short supply

[@jackoboi1827]

AbSolUtely spiFfing

[@datdudeinred]

Just stop commenting everywhere where its called a racing incident man. i used to like you because you were a decent unbiased youtuber but I don't anymore. Also DO NOT SAY YOU ARE BACKING LEWIS for this year because thats just superficial lie.

[@TJ2P]

We need Jolyon Palmer as a F1 steward instead of Liuzzi

[@chriscollins550]

Liuzza isn't there every race. And palmer has been a steward before. They Change them all the time

[@studiomoris4542]

Exactly

[@tonamg53]

@@chriscollins550 Just have Palmer and stop changing them all the time then.

[@Maky-vo7qs]

Hes been a steward before...

[@77anders]

And give them a few days instead of a few minutes 🤣🤣🤣

[@Jord2123]

Also stewards can’t take into account the championship, doesn’t matter if both are racing harder because of it they have to treat it like if it could have been a haas or a merc fighting for that corner. So when ones at fault they can’t go “well…it’s the championship so it’s expected”

[@labaolaf]

Love the analysis but I do really miss the comparison between Hamilton and Leclerc! It would give a more clear picture for us between the comparison from GIO and VER

[@AlBundy500]

I agreed here. If you look at LeClerc he turns away to give enough space while Hamilton continues to look towards the apex as if Max is not there. In the case of LeClerc enough space is provided for both and no crash, Hamilton continues to squeeze and a crash happens. This means to me he could have avoided the crash. LeClerc actions prove that it could have been avoided.

[@rewolfer]

I agree. Probably didn't want to show it. They showed every other permutation.

[@barnabasranch5415]

Right, Hamilton can do no wrong in their eyes. He constantly gets away with things that others get penalized for.

[@lourencio6456]

Jolyon's analysis really just hits

[@bossnian5615]

Glad he has little to no British bias *cough sky sport

[@honestboy4]

yep this one was perfect.

[@4ntoCatch]

@@bossnian5615 another b0ring bias comment ... yawn ... We all have biases

[@kvothe4637]

The s is on the wrong side of hit

[@Continental_Champ]

@@kvothe4637 What are you talking about?

[@Henriette187]

The whole F1 world waited for this!

[@opolotphilip9615]

true

[@Xfade81]

No. It has been discussed endlessly already, and penalty has sadly been given for this racing incident.

[@brewssssss_]

For the breakdown? Cuz I’m much rather watch them race then see them crash half way through

[@michaeli.g8050]

@@Xfade81 Dude did u not just watch the video if you had to put blame it was for Max who could've just avoided it. Yes racing incident but he is more to blame. The grid place penalty is fair.

[@ellazychavito9222]

@@Xfade81 lol not a racing incident max forced it and crashed get over it

[@nomimalone7520]

Great competitive and exciting racing this season. It's awesome to see teams more evenly matched.

[@jasonharts6994]

The curb is not the track, when a driver is on the curb, hes off the track

[@nomimalone7520]

@@jasonharts6994 uh, sure. That's not really pertinent to my comment, but okay.

[@jasonharts6994]

@@nomimalone7520 sorry, meant for someone else, Sorry

[@frankpienkosky5688]

still just two basically...with some interesting also-rans who can compete when they're out of the way....

[@Twannnng]

Gio and Leclerc were both in "It's lap 1 - don't wreck your race" mode, whereas Max and Lewis were in "Cannot allow my rival to beat me" mode, hence they crashed.

[@benzo___]

can't agree honestly, Verstappen is generally speaking a very aggressive driver no matter which lap he's in - also Leclerc and Giovinazzi had contact in that first shicane hence Gio got through after a slight touch because Leclerc knew he'd get wrecked if he did not leave space

[@frankpienkosky5688]

higher stakes....

[@shushant5837]

F1 youtube team is definitely milking all the drama before Netflix does..

[@randallvargas4457]

They're just upset that Lewis was knocked out for once.

[@jgsw563]

This is great race analysis. I hope they do for all races

[@bossnian5615]

U realize this is a historical race right? It'll forever be remembered as 2021 Monza -Mclaren 1-2; Danny's first win In a while. First team ever to win a 1-2 in the year. And a midfield team to win a 1-2 over RB and Ferrari -Top 2 championship drivers wiped out. -Valterri podium from starting back of the grid - Both Alpha Tauris out - Both Ferraris (in Monza) doing well considering crashes and close contacts

[@randallvargas4457]

@@c00kiekill3r6 You're mad the Lewis is never going to be a champion, again. Deal with it.

[@DOPEdwarf]

@@randallvargas4457 seethe and cope you clown

[@ben-kf9mh]

I think the difference with the Giovinazzi one was he hit Leclerc slightly which allowed him to make the corner

[@bazil83]

Indeed, that's how I feel - GIO nerfed Leclerc slightly out of the way, which, on top of the difference in trajectory, gave him the space needed not to hit the sausage kerb.

[@theruckinmaul1460]

And Giovinazzi is clearly side by side whereas Verstappen a quater back from Hamilton. Hence, Leclerc sees and more to the right a bit knowing Giovinazzi will not have the pace since he has poor exit speed.

[@hicm1of124]

Also because Giovinazzi's car was more alongside Leclerc's than Verstappen's was with Hamilton's at the exact same juncture within the said chicane, and travelling significantly slower, he (Gio) had just enough time; space, and opportunity to wrestle his way through turn 2, and past Leclerc....Verstappen should have realised as soon as the gap started closing fast that there was absolutely no way he was going to pass Hamilton, and bailed out via the said run-off area - just like Leclerc did later in the race against Bottas....and still gained an advantage in the process!

[@wintrstk54]

Leclerc also seemed to run to outside a little bit more on 2 giving Giovinazzi just enough room to make it.

[@1000aquaboy]

Shhhh you'll rile up the (S)Ham lovers with such observations. Let Jolyon conveniently ignore the obvious durin Gio-Lec so that Sir can be absolved of all blame.

[@euanmacleod3738]

Love this in depth analysis with multiple relevant comparisons. Great stuff.

[@ziadajam5433]

They should make F1 like hokey where they throw their helmets off and settle it like men

[@frankpienkosky5688]

....or the early days of NASCAR?

[@chrisguiling3546]

Nice to hear a fair and unbiased analysis of the incident, instead of all the F1 “experts” on social media laying blame solely one way or the other. Thank you

[@eladrio2311]

Not sure what experts you heard. But all the experts I heard said racing incident

[@rx3556]

@@eladrio2311 it’s the hamilton or verstappen fanboys who put the blame on whoever they don’t like on twitter i’m a verstappen fan but yea i say it was a racing incident

[@kundakaps]

The opinion you agree with is unbiased?

[@felixdatche9278]

KZbin is actually social media and Joylon Palmer is an expert on it...so what do you mean?

[@eladrio2311]

@@rx3556 yeah I didn't notice the quotes wrapping the word 'experts' the first time

[@kimmyungy6252]

Great comparison between max and gio… Only issue is that everyone seems to forget that the stewards are more inclined to call it a racing incident if its the 1st lap not on lap 26

[@furyfalcon1933]

Its still a racing incident its just the stewards are always in favor of HAM

[@lammergeier100]

@@furyfalcon1933 Cry 😆😆😆

[@ags911]

@@lammergeier100 Loooool

[@etiennebaree6176]

@@furyfalcon1933 cry baby cry

[@MovewithNav]

@@furyfalcon1933 open your eyes sometimes

[@chrislow3700]

If the roles were swapped, am pretty sure Max will not even give Ham any space

[@omarliew1164]

You either leave space, and actually leave space. Or don't leave space at all (like max did L1) Lewis was doing neither. He should've forced max outside earlier in the corner. Now he basicaly invited max to overtake but then closes the door to late. Sure max could've prevented this easily. But 3 places penalty is rediculous.

[@goldenrevolver4460]

I agree but Hamilton would have crashed into verstappen the exact same way leading to a double dnf. As he already got a penalty for taking out verstappen once, they may have even left that as a racing incident (which I think would have been the correct decision). This is pseudo fairness (subconscious or conscious) with giving max a penalty just because Lewis got one earlier

[@OnlineFox29]

Jaa

[@calibrazxr750]

@@omarliew1164 the fact that even you admit Max could have prevented the accident, but as we know, ultimately he chose not to, is why he was penalised. What penalty should he have had? He, once again, got overly aggressive and once again, ended another drivers race, as well as his own. That kind of behaviour needs to be punished and it duly was. You might not agree with it, but what you think, why I think, does not matter. It only matters what the stewards think and they clearly thought that a penalty was justified.

[@omarliew1164]

@@calibrazxr750 i agree, it was a frustrated/aggresive move. But a gap is a gap. So he went for it. Lewis shouldn't have left the gap. Max took a risky move but he had no choise. It would be the only chance he'd get. Still consider the penalty to harsch. Nothing about wat he did was against the rules or was purpusely reckless. He had a right to be alongside lewis since lewis did leave the space. If you want to own the corner, then don't leave space. Racing incident imo. The contact with the sausage curb and wheel to wheel was just unfortunate. Made it all look alot more dramatic then it really was. But indeed, we'd have to accept the stewards decision.

[@r.l.7852]

I really do appreciate pundits who try look into depth at both sides and both situations and who put effort in building up an argumentation. And try to understand what really happend. Big thumbs!

[@AndyFerdean]

I didn't understand why Hamilton left so much space in the beginning of the corner (not the braking zone). He should've shut the door from the beginning like Verstappen did in lap 1. By leaving that kind of space, he made Verstappen think there's a chance and I think that was a key moment.

[@jalheeljalhe5799]

He just gave him enough braking zone, the funny thing is that the comment just above yours think the contrary...

[@AndyFerdean]

@@jalheeljalhe5799 I do understand why Hamilton squeezed him, but I don't understand why he did it mid-late corner and not from the start. He was entitled to do that, but not so much mid corner. Anyway, I think they both did what probably any racer would do and for me it was a clear racing incident.

[@luhohnel]

Great point

[@Ronline26]

Exactly he was actually leaving verstappen room but just not enough, if he wanted to close the door he wouldve used the entire outside of t1 and cut inside earlier in t2 now he knew verstappen was there and i think he just didnt expect max to make it around the outside and was out of position to defend it and then just had to turn in cuz otherwise he wouldnt make te corner. A clear racing incident imo.

[@DavideBorsatto]

Exactly. I think Hamilton had the right to squeeze Verstappen towards the outside, but weirdly chose to stay more in the center of track at first, which left room for Verstappen to try and get passed him. Eventually Hamilton moved to the left but by then Verstappen was extremely committed and there was no way he'd go for the run off... If I had to pick someone at fault it'd be Verstappen, but Hamilton was not defending really like he should've, so I'd say overall it's a racing incident which probably didn't warrant the penalty.

[@glenndoucette1984]

Giovinnazi hits LeClerc's front tire and pushes(bounces) LeClerc to a wider line, thus giving him the room to finish the corner.

[@fiarandompenaltygeneratorm5044]

Why was Giovinazzi (a Ferrari Academy driver) fighting the Ferraris so hard? Did he really think he would have the pace to stay ahead of them even if he made the pass stick? He really isn't very bright. He probably would have finished 8th if he had just been more intelligent.

[@eselberg]

@@fiarandompenaltygeneratorm5044 if you no longer go for a gap that exists, youre no longer a racing driver.

[@trevorbailey1448]

Correct statement , the difference in comparison only shows that you cant make that corner without incident , therefore its the outside car forcing a move which carries the risk of the accident . The leading car is alway heading for the line to get the maximum speed out of the next corner ( lewis) to the left. In the occasion and similar no driver in front is leaving room for another , if room is there and you make it fine if not penalty . Everthing on the track is a racing incident but there are rules and the stewarts in my opinion was spot on with the judgement.

[@fiarandompenaltygeneratorm5044]

@@eselberg Giovinazzi is no longer a racing driver (but for other reasons).

[@a7G-82r]

True. He points out how verstappen has a different trajectory compared to giovinazzi, but that's really only because leclerc had a much wider trajectory than hamilton. Hamilton could never have made that corner without hitting verstappen, unless verstappen had taken the runoff.

[@kevincarvalho363]

The video we’ve all been waiting for! Great analysis mate🔥👍🏼

[@brucedickinson12]

Mate . Grow up

[@navnig]

Lap 1, Lewis knew the game was up and backed out, drove away to race another day. 5:01 Is when Max should have backed out. He was behind and driving into a gap that was always going to close....He needs to learn when to get his elbows in. The potential is there for him to be one of the true greats of F1 but the aggression has to be measured, rather than being the hyper aggressive Max we see today.

[@DaanZijp]

the same counts for hamilton in max's silverstone crash

[@electron5271]

well this comment aged like milk

[@jouniairplanevideos]

Nu Hamilton had to wait. Other drives does waiting to

[@RIPPERTON]

12:00 That MV / Giovanazi comparo has their hands perfectly synchronised

[@spoonfuloftactic]

And they both caused a collision. Giovinazzi hit Leclerc. If that was a racing incident, so should have been the Max/Lewis incident. Stewards were straight wrong here.

[@PaperStackerJ]

@@spoonfuloftactic Gio hitting Charles vs Max hitting curb and going over Lewis are two different things buddy…

[@AndyFerdean]

@@spoonfuloftactic actually LeClerc left a bit more space. Like a tyre width more, exactly what made the difference.

[@Zzz-p3j]

@@spoonfuloftactic also Gio made it at 1st lap, and it matters for stewards.

[@tobias03coimbra52]

that's why the old layout of this chicane was more friendly to overtakes. I don't know why they changed to this super slow chicane, as they did In spa with Bus stop

[@Noblewar]

Because they want slower races for "safety" reasons. They might as well just put walls around the whole track. I blame the track.

[@kolosmenus]

@@Noblewar Same. Max had enough space to actually fit on track on the inside, if not for the sausage kerb.

[@categoriaxbox2396]

In the old version of bus stop in spa is much more easy to overtake, since you can carry more speed and gain a great slipstream into la source

[@chiefdenis]

It's funny, but i like this extreme chicane and the uphill bus stop

[@MartinGonzalez-ki8kn]

@@Noblewar I blame the elf n safety.

[@jefft8018]

It would have been interesting to see Verstappen throttle telemetry.

[@VXRANDALL76]

i believe it was the gps data that shut Horner up after the British GP. Max entered the ill-fated turn on that one faster than he had in quali. With a full tank of fuel and fresher rubber. Horner didn't believe it at first but the GPS data proved that Max was driving waaay to fast to safely turn up the inside of Lewis. The data never lies.

[@DecibelDr]

@@VXRANDALL76 You're wrong mate, at the British GP it was Lewis who went faster than usual into the corner, on the inside of Max, and as a result missing the apex.

[@ChiCity511]

@@DecibelDr yea what is this guy even talking about lol

[@256k_]

great in depth analysis! thank you. best one so far.

[@mtbmadness]

12:07 Leclerc also turns right to give Giovinazzi room as he anticipates a collision

[@dustensalinas2604]

Was surprised that this was fully ignored during the analysis.

[@robertoimperatore1385]

...knowing that he would have had a better traction after turn 2

[@MassEveNova]

@@dustensalinas2604 Taking digs at Lewis will get you fired.

@@dustensalinas2604 yes, i thought the same. Leclerc gives way more space.

[@anghelerdei8949]

He closes the door for the car in the right to go outside because he has the inside line in the 2nd apex of the chicane.

[@jt663]

gio didn't collide with charles because he hit him with his tyre and moved him out the way...

[@eselberg]

exactly, the space leclerc left wasnt enough either, gio just forced the incident before the sausage kerb while max couldnt.

[@AlexMacho765]

I thought I was the only one to notice that. gio bumps charles with his rf tire making some space

[@davidjames3080]

Spot on. It was just luck that this didn't end up with both of them off as well.

[@Red_Ocean901]

I feel like everyone missed the part where both rear wheels touch just after the sausage kerb which actually cause Max to launch on top of Lewis

[@Pirustae]

No. I saw that. And that's what caused Verstappen climb up on Hamilton's car

[@TheHuesSciTech]

No-one missed that, it's just obvious and irrelevant to any analysis of who's to blame.

[@jiin5993]

Yeah you were the only one who saw that

[@adrianho2690]

Everyone saw that but this analysis is only for who to blame so there's no correlation

[@dipolodocolous]

Can we just congratulate giovanazzi's driving, what a move (to stay on track) in an alfa romeo

[@JustaGuy1250]

also a little thing to note with Gio V Lec Giovinazzi did lightly tap Leclerc's front wheel which booped Leclerc slightly to the right, creating more space

[@user-yl3pp8fy9w]

Yh he omitted that for some weird reason.

[@_Rafiki.]

I was thinking that as soon as I saw it

[@takatamiyagawa5688]

I'm not sure how they hit each other in such a way that Leclerc bounced a little more to the right, since it looks like Leclerc's front left wheel is a little far ahead. Still, I think Leclerc and Giovinazzi are both a few cm to the right of where Hamilton and Verstappen were, and Giovinazzi hits the kerb too, but slower.

[@oxfordsparky]

Also the speed was much much lower.

[@surenjackoo]

If you watch it frame by frame, I believe LeClerc was turning away slightly just before he got hit. This softened the blow and allowed them to move through safely. Hamilton, on the other hand, actually turned in at the same point where LeClerc turned away. I believe that's the cause of the accident.

[@QuadMX98]

Top analysis Jolyon, just two guys going at it nothing more nothing less and there will be a lot more this season.

[@holdemagroin1167]

Yeah, it was actually a really cool wheel to wheel battle between 2 championship contenders. It just had an unlucky ending, because of the bumpy chicane.

[@mr.o523]

The first minute of this video and I already see Hamilton giving Yuki space on the inside of t1 t2.... This is a joke in my eyes.

[@Kyouki_IE]

@@mr.o523 I think you mean Gasly. And that's obviously different since Gasly had passed Hamilton before reaching turn 1 and stayed ahead of him through the chicane.

[@calebmoneyhollis663]

It’s gonna get more spicy between them two. Can’t wait!!

[@etiennebaree6176]

@@mr.o523 who is the joke ???:-)

[@michaelgayle7001]

Wow! As usual Jolyon is spot on with a excellent analysis! Thanks.

[@rewolfer]

So looking at the analysis (before looking at prevents events), it sounds like Palmer could see why Max thought there was room to move - that Hamilton had left him room initially - but that Hamilton later closed the door mid corner. Max then had nowhere to go and was force onto the kerb and into the air.

[@rewolfer]

The gap that LEC left GIO was clearly more than what HAM left VER...

[@rewolfer]

But, great analysis! Very fair I think!

[@ThanatosIRL]

Can't wait to read the civil and rational discussion in these comments

[@harrydrees9714]

@@katlegokgotse with who? Lewis fans? Impossible

[@michaela5430]

@@harrydrees9714 definitely more so the Max fans as they're much younger demographic. You do see more of this -->🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@fabian.a.p]

Yeah just recently read fraudmilton and crashtappen in another vid's comment 😂

[@oktayyilmaz5134]

@@michaela5430 what your arguements against video?

[@seashackf1]

@@michaela5430 the LH fanboys started out in the same age demo, haven’t matured, there’s more of them and now have years more practice at it. Because of the head start and not as many (at least on English language sites) Max fanboys will never catch up to LH fb’s

[@waleedgaming4910]

So Palmer didnt see how Gio's wheel smashed into Leclerc's to "create" that space?

[@brijanwilson1888]

I thought the same

[@AndresFCamacho]

same

[@godonag]

These people will go to any length to justify mad max

[@darklocksly3615]

@@godonag But at least not blind.

[@leonwascher6937]

@@godonag But he literally said he thinks Max is more at fault here

[@drewitt1992]

Brilliant analysis, the only thing that rubs me up the wrong way is that verstappen thinks he’s entitled to more space when he has proved in the pass he is more than happy to run people wide but doesn’t think it right when it happens to him.

[@mikeysantiago]

I totally agree. VER is an aggressive driver, drivers most of the time just don’t want to crash with him so they will yield and give him space, but when some other drivers get aggressively races him he doesn’t want to yield. 😵‍💫

[@danielwamae4699]

Someone help me understand how he concludes its a racing incident when on one occasion one driver bailed out to avoid an obvious collision and on the other occasion the driver never bailed out to avoid an obvious collision.????

[@poruatokin]

He's just another Verstappen apologist.

[@BOZ_11]

he concluded it was max's fault here

[@kjkombat]

The entire video just shows that the collision was not obvious. Giovanazzi had the exact same situation and he survived. When Max committed to the corner it does seem he had chance to pull it off, but obviously that didn't happen.

[@BOZ_11]

@@kjkombat nope, he says Max should have run off into the corner. FIA placed the blame with Max too.

[@K0ALA.]

We just can’t get enough of the Analysis’s

[@legendarybanana14]

Analyses

[@K0ALA.]

@@legendarybanana14 analysises’s

[@legendarybanana14]

@@K0ALA. Anals

[@frickin_robin]

analizing

[@peorakef]

analscissors ✂

[@CaptainSlow2469]

Epic drama ...just absolutely epic.. it's like prost vs senna but in 720p

[@insertgenericusernamehere2402]

Except senna did that deliberately...

[@insertgenericusernamehere2402]

And they where teammates.

[@CaptainSlow2469]

@@insertgenericusernamehere2402 I'm talking about the drama and entertainment, not the blame game or who's fault it is

[@insertgenericusernamehere2402]

@@CaptainSlow2469 you could say rosberg and Hamilton and at least make it a little more relavent.

[@CaptainSlow2469]

@@insertgenericusernamehere2402 I could but I won't because max and lewis aren't teammates

[@gastaotaveira]

Great analysis, thanks. Very useful to see beyond the fans' histrionic comments.

[@glensmall9194]

Excellent forensic analysis as always. Great job Sir. Thank you very much.

[@nickolastiguan]

Both Ham and Ver are hard racers (pretty much I will leave it up to you rather to have a crash or not), so it is no surprise that they’d come together. Great spectacle for us fans though.

[@mjn1950247]

Spectacle is when they finished the race with the checked flag, not taking each other out

[@ab8jeh]

@@mjn1950247 I beg to differ. I found the whole weekend very entertaining. As long as they're not hurt personally I love this wheel to wheel stuff where's there's always the possibility of contact.

[@chiefdenis]

Hamilton doesn't put fellow racers in crash or yield situations, other than that, yep, hard racers

[@mbal4052]

@@chiefdenis nah just nudges them off at 180mph 😉

[@chiefdenis]

@@mbal4052 lets just say when someone brake checks you, they're not really the victim

[@ferdiverbeek]

I think the jump off the curb made it look way more dramatic. Without it, they would be racing after those 2 corners.

[@taylorb9860]

Yep, I don’t believe the car launched off the kerb into Lewis. It’s played a role, changing how the suspension was loaded after wheels lost contact with the track but I’ve watched the replay quite a few times on slow mo, and the car really doesn’t seem to bounce once it lands, all the tires appear to be on the ground and then the rear tires make contact and Max’s seems to drive overtop of Lewis’ wheel which seems to have popped it into the air

[@djkleb7645]

@@taylorb9860 exactly

[@jonasarche]

Great analysis, as always!

[@alexd302]

This is the best analysis of this incident I have seen. A racing incident.

[@davepastern]

yeah nah. Lemme guess, you're a Max fan, right?

[@teemeaux3830]

He also said max should’ve backed out.

[@davepastern]

@@teemeaux3830 and that is the issue - Max dive bombs into a corner where there's no gap, basically pushes the other car out of the way with a if you don't move I'm gonna cause an accident mantra. again, if there'd been concrete barriers instead of the kerbs, would Max have went there?

[@spchia]

FIA should invest in paying for stewards rather than them mostly being volunteers. This way you can have better quality control and consistency throughout the season rather than it being ad hoc and reduce the element of bias that will always exist. The same happens in every sport that has part time referee's. The second you replace them with full time workers, the quality and consistency improved.

[@productivehustle6163]

Stewards dont get paid?

[@Samael746]

They searched for someone to blame and they found him. No matter if they get paid or not.

[@BobSmith-uu5kj]

Ultimately it is Masi to blame… again. This dude needs to be replaced pronto!!!

[@CappaGTC]

Those sausages should be removed, they're just ridiculous, and caused more nearly fatal accidents than avoided.

[@benbailey-igetstarted6438]

No Max caused a near fatal crash by driving into the kerb....

[@deezelkane]

They’re there so you don’t cut the corner, what are you kids not getting ??? Max is just a maniac and drove over them knowing he’d blast Lewis. The KId will never learn

[@rainman6090]

That wasn't near fatal.

[@deezelkane]

@@rainman6090 it ended both their races, he knew what he was doing. The kid hasn’t changed

[@rainman6090]

@@deezelkane What does your response have to do with what I said?

[@mattpascoe5384]

Brilliant analysis. Spot on.. thank you for looking at both sides of it and not taking sides

[@connectedeurope]

Great review of the massively spoken about situation. I believe this is one of the clearest exaltation I've seen. Tnx

[@abdullahzackariah3642]

There's a whole bunch of ways where this contact would have been just a brush of the wheels, just unfortunate that it happened in that specific manner

[@pratikpatil6160]

All hail the kerb

[@SHRModding]

100% agreed. i expected them to break some bits of the bargeboards and tangle a little but the reason why the crash happened as it did is because the rear tyres touched eachother and verstappen got launched.

[@limun9848]

What Hamilton should have done to keep the position is push Max wide at the apex of turn 1, instead, he left enough space and Max saw that as an invitation, by that point Max is determined and expecting Ham to do the same into turn 2.

[@yannikn.2374]

Thats it. Just Like Verstappen did in the opening lap. Hamilton instead decided to squeez right before the next corner. This isnt Max' fault at all imo

[@ranchalita]

@@yannikn.2374 What Verstappen did on lap 1 was wrong. Somehow, everyone is now using it as a benchmark! If Hamilton refused to run off track and they collided, Verstappen would have been penalised for the incident. Given that both cars arrived the corner alongside each other, at least a car's width should have been left either side of the track

[@PresidentScrooge]

@@ranchalita Considering there has been no FIA involvement in that T1 situation - it seems like it wasn't wrong. It's only wrong, if it's against the rules. Athletes will push the rules as far as they can to get an advantage. Senna, Schumacher, Prost, Alonso and Hamilton himself all did that in the past. Thus the responsibility lies with the FIA to intervene and make their rules as clear as possible.

[@ranchalita]

​@@PresidentScrooge FIA tend to only react when there has been collision which is wrong. A move that is wrong should be wrong whether there was a collision or not. I heard some analysts say the stewards let it be because it was a lap 1 incident

[@yannikn.2374]

@@ranchalita What was wrong about it? Thats Just how you do it. You can't invite Somebody to Fight from the outside and then suddenly Close the door mid Corner. Close the door from the beginning on Like Max did in the opening lap.

[@Getoffmycloud53]

11:48 it is not only Verstappen pointing more towards the curb, but also Lewis giving less room, squeezing him more into the curb.

[@amg863]

Squeezing him LOL. You mean taking the racing line as he was entitled to. Max doesn't get special treatment for being reckless. He needs to race properly. He's fast on a single lap but his race craft leaves a lot to be desired. Too many mistakes or errors of judgement

[@nicolasoliveira4903]

​@@amg863Race properly is when the car's right wheel hits the first apex. It must be the age that makes Lewis miss Apex whenever Max is around...

[@djimpailot4536]

Great analysis by Jolyon as always !

[@carisacar]

Palmer’s race analysis is seriously numero uno, bar none. Keep it up, brilliant.

[@MultiTightbutthole]

How about instead of penalizing drivers for racing, we replace sausage kerbs that function as ramps that launch cars into each other?

[@cathalfolan8441]

Yup, without the sausage kerbs they would both have made it through the corner. Whether they would have crashed in the next few laps is anyone's guess. I don't think this will be the last time they take each other out. 10/10 entertainment though.

[@SAMX4949]

As Kvyat said at Monaco "Yellow trampoline"

[@akoniwashington7045]

Just cause one driver can’t drive around them but feels he can drive over them doesn’t mean we should get rid of them

[@SAMX4949]

@@akoniwashington7045 Michael Masi; Is that you?

[@akoniwashington7045]

@@SAMX4949 Yeah.. am I still speaking to Maldonado?

[@frogandspanner]

Q0: 2:20 I have heard the expression "Missing the apex" so many times in the analyses of such incidents, but nobody ever says what is meant by this. In a curve of continuously varying radius there is a clear geometric apex - the point at which the radius is minimal, but I doubt that differential calculus enters discussion by the stewards. Without such an absolute definition is there an arbitrary definition in the rule book? Or is it just a term that drivers use to mean "The optimum point nearest to the corner"? If it is the latter then as conditions/line/speed vary, the optimum apex will vary, or as at Zandvoort where there are different lines through corners there will be many different apices in the same conditions. Conclusion: *unless* the apex is defined in regs there is no singular apex, so we can ignore "he missed the apex" in any arguments (note the _unless_). Q1: 6:50 Had LH not eased out of the right turn at this point what would his likely path have been? Could he have made the corner (T2)? Could he have made T2 had he given MV sufficient room to pass him? Q2: 7:00, 11:31 At the speed and position of MV could he have made T2 without running LH off the track? I assume that all the performance figures are available to the stewards and having such figures for several laps up to this point there should be sufficient information to determine grip and other factors at various locations across the track for the cars involved, so it should be possible to calculate with high precision and accuracy the answer to the key questions above. Why is there an adjudication as to fault or otherwise in such situations? We can all appreciate and understand a racing incident, but judgement comes into it when there has been poor judgement by a driver that affects other drivers. Without performance figures, my own judgement is that Q1's answer is "Unlikely", and Q" is "No". Therefore it is poor judgement by MV.

[@H3OP]

True

[@kshathriya]

Wow ! Brilliant analysis ❤️

[@yk.id99]

This season is the only season since 2014 where F1 is not just Mercedes 1-2 shows. Really loved it 😍😍

[@robnauta6470]

Stroll vs Perez lap 1 is even more alike this incident (compared to gio) and also manage to get through unscathed together,

[@mackbuildsthings]

same with Lando and Lewis in lap 1..

[@hicm1of124]

@@mackbuildsthings - The difference is Lando was fully alongside Lewis, and thus Lewis had no option but to yield...as it was Lando's corner....whereas Max was scarcely even half-way alongside Lewis going into turn 1, and never fully alongside at any stage prior to crashing into Lewis, so it was never Max's corner...hence he was the one who received a penalty, for refusing to concede >>> avoid a collision!

[@Papa-Bogey]

Brilliant analysis.... thank you. The best one yet.

[@mori9019]

Thank you for also including the comms. While I know these incidents are analysed on the basis of the incident alone. ‘That’s what happens when you don’t give enough space’ says enough. Either we crash or you give me space; in this instance, space that really wasn’t there and could’ve been contended for later as anything can happen

[@davidjames3080]

Exactly. Not enough emphasis was placed on that comment by Max. It was quite clear that he meant that 'if you don't make room for me, I'll force you off the track'. I really think the stewards should have given a bigger penalty than the minimum 3 place grid penalty they did give, to warn Max that he can't continue to drive like a road-raged bunny boiler.

[@halofreak1990]

I have to disagree. See, the thing is, by not forcing Max into the runoff in turn 1, which is what Max did to Lewis on lap 1 in turn 4 (a perfectly valid racing move that everyone loves to cry about every time Max does it), _and_ leaving a car's width of space while negotiating the corner, he basically put out an open invitation for Max, who is known to go for pretty much any gap, to dive into the available gap and set himself up to muscle turn 2 away from Lewis. Lewis then made the mistake, for some weird reason--that I cannot understand, given the common knowledge about Max's racing style--thinking that Max had taken the escape road, to turn in to take the corner and, hence, into Max. While I side with the Stewards if I _had_ to penalize someone, I consider it a racing incident for the reasons I laid out above. At this point, Max should really know that Lewis doesn't commit to corners until the latest possible moment, and Lewis, in turn, should know that (and he has clearly stated he does in several interviews) if Max is (or could be) on your inside, he's going to claim that corner and force you wide. Unlike Lewis, Max commits to a corner the moment he starts turning in. All of this is (or should be, at this point, common knowledge).

[@TeamSukiyo]

Literally everyone but Damon Hill and the FIA stewards have called it a racing incident

[@TheElectricgamez]

And die-hard Ver/Ham fans but they only want Ver/Ham to win

[@W4TSKY]

Silverstone was a racing incident too but Lewis still got penalized

[@oktayyilmaz5134]

@@W4TSKY no it was not..

[@jalheeljalhe5799]

@@oktayyilmaz5134 What was the 10s for?

[@robertcebula1941]

@@W4TSKY Are u kidding me?

[@xezo4494]

Been waiting for Palmar for what felt like an eternity, awesome analysis

[@Rangifulla]

I hoped he would address Damon Hills opinion that Max crashed intentionally.

[@richardmoffatt2540]

Me too. I think Damon is more likely to see it that way, after a "professional foul" cost him a world championship in 1994.

[@richardmoffatt2540]

@@toronto543ontario6 Agreed, on both counts

[@nitinchouhan12]

I was waiting for this with one finger in my eye .. thanks for the upload!

[@beezball]

So penalties for everyone who tried a pass at that chicane? Right, FIA...

[@wc7466]

No, its the outcome of the pass that deserves the penalty.

[@ab8jeh]

They set a precedent at Silverstone unfortunately.

[@ogethan7532]

@@wc7466 fia literally said they are penalising for the manoeuvre and not the outcome.

[@beezball]

@@wc7466 okay, hip checks in hockey are now illegal if there is an injury, but not illegal if there isn't. And tripping is now legal if there is no injury, but still illegal if there is one... Brilliant

[@pimpinwilly]

ricciardo managed not to hit verstappen on the first corn when he was right next to him by backing off abit. verstappen should of done the same to hamilton(sprintrace)

[@rt-uh6mt]

And Hamilton should have backed off at Silverstone and he wouldn't have hit Max. But he didn't.

[@chomalen]

Find it hard to believe that someone as precise about the track limits as Max would run over the sausage kerb due to a miscalculation. It always seems to be him, driving like no-one else exists and asking others to make the decision to withdraw from the potential contact. Glad to see someone not willing to give an inch.

[@novgaladh]

Im not a hqmilton fan nor a verstappen fan, but max is an arrogant deepshit who thinks hes better than everyone.

[@MrRikko951]

@@novgaladh nope, he is not arrogant, he just IS better than the rest....

[@chomalen]

@@MrRikko951 On what evidence? He's quick, no doubt, but in his first year at RB he was outperformed by DR (even discounting the points from the first 4 races). Then in the following two years, he was competitive with DR, who, but for the all the retirements, probably would have comprehensively outscored him (and I'm willing to admit that on a talent basis, MV is ahead of DR, and I am a huge DR fan). Lewis Hamilton comprehensively demonstrated his ability against a WC in his first season. Alonso no less.

[@yanikdavid3708]

​@@chomalen he was also given alot of support in his first season against alonso coz it would have been a better narrative that the rookie wins a wdc. Ham was quick no doubt, but had the team not favoured ham as much, alonso would have won the wdc. Max although quick in his first season needed to grow into a wdc driver. I'm a Max fan but I respect hamilton.

[@drmouse81]

I think the big difference between the Ver and Gio was that Gio's was on Lap 1 Turn 1, at slower speed when the pack was all bunched up and everyone is being more careful. I doubt Lec would have left as much room on following laps, even with a car being as far along the outside as Gio was. Everyone knows, though, that the main aim is to get through T1 unscathed, especially in the midfield. That said, I still believe that this would have been viewed as a racing incident in previous years, as would several other incidents which have been penalised this year, and the stewards are just being much harsher this year than previously.

[@TinyCometFilms]

In the scraps that have taken place between Hamilton and Verstappen all this year, what I've noticed is that Hamilton will prefer to bail out and keep from crashing so he can keep racing and at least have a chance later on, or at least collect some points, whereas Verstappen is entirely uncompromising and would sooner crash than give up a millimeter. Martin Brundle said of Senna in the Top Gear tribute that "[Senna] would put us in a position that you were gonna have an accident, and he would leave it up to you to decide whether to have that accident or not." Sounds a lot like Verstappen to me. And to an extent, Hamilton sounds a bit like Prost. So... the Senna/Prost battle of 2021?

[@younes6864]

Sounds like it yeah. Lets enjoy the battle while it lasts.

[@renes9407]

Prefer to bail out? Hello Silverstone... They both would sooner crash. I think Verstappen is more in the wrong in this scenario. But Lewis isn't bailing out and keeping from crashing.

[@TinyCometFilms]

@@renes9407 he literally lost body parts at the chicane in the wet this year, losing out to Verstappen. He did that earlier as well on a dry race, also in 2021

[@TinyCometFilms]

@@renes9407 just went back to have a look: Verstappen pushed Hamilton out on a very similar chicane in Imola, and rather than crash, Hamilton backed off. In Barcelona, Verstappen took his line, and rather than cause a crash, Hamilton backed off. In Silverstone, I guess maybe he didn't wanna back off anymore, and Verstappen never did anyway: crash. But here we are again, and Verstappen didn't wanna back off, as usual, and so they crash. So... honestly, even with Silverstone in mind, I think Verstappen is much more uncompromising than Hamilton is.

[@robmanueb.]

Halo was the only real winner here

[@fiarandompenaltygeneratorm5044]

And Ricciardo!

[@abdullah1299]

Was waiting for this!!👍👍

[@NarenHarwani]

This analysis by Joylon Palmer is AMAZING 👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼

[@TangoNevada]

MAx "That's what happens when you don't leave space" - Translation "That's what happens when you don't leave space for me on my race track". Where was that comment on Lap one at he second Chicane? Max could have backed out or run over the curbs.

[@sakethedpuganti5697]

Max would've used the run off if Lewis had cut him off initially. Instead, he left space for the overtake in turn 1 and then squeezed max into turn 2. This is literally on of the best overtaking spots in the race, and Lewis left space for one. What did he expect?

[@plavyn]

Max has shown himself to be classless and crass driver

[@busigh]

Correct. Seems Max has been allowed to think that only Max belongs on the track. And so move out of the way or else. There is aggressive racing and then there is Max who just pushes his way around the track at other drivers expense. They move out of the way simply for self preservation. It is however the job of the stewards to ensure no driver like this is on the track with this attitude. Too fast too dangerous it can't end well. Truly a Red Bull in a china shop.

[@plavyn]

@@busigh plus his reaction post the crash just goes to show the shallowness of his character

[@sakethedpuganti5697]

@@plavyn wow what about Lewis' reaction after silverstone? Don't be a hypocrite like him

[@ericx1419]

Just love the steering angles LH Lap 26 6:34 - 7:00 MV Lap 1 2:13 - 2:30

[@Samuel-tr3mf]

Look at his racing line compared to Riccardo's. Miles difference...

[@xtreme814]

You made me change my mind about the crash. It was more on max

[@josephpatar9827]

Thank you Mr. Palmer! Brilliant analysis and explanation as always....

[@RickyRicardo03]

A fair assessment man. I’m just glad the boys where okay.

[@Guust_Flater]

It's not the kerb, imo, but the RR tire of Max driving against the RL tire of Lewis, doubling the speed and momentum and throwing Max's car in the air.

[@markporter9186]

It’s the kerb that bounces max into Lewis rear tyre

[@ThesocialmuteHD]

@@markporter9186 it’s max’s poor overtaking that causes him to crash, stop blaming an innocent curb who was just a bystander

[@ConRL_]

@@ThesocialmuteHD kerb*

[@PAULSWorld131]

Exactly, spot on. Came to the same conclusion by viewing the slowmotion part of the video on 0.25 speed. It's cristalclear. Just a racing incident, based on the laws of nature

[@markporter9186]

@@ThesocialmuteHD it’s the kerb tho isn’t it, max didn’t put brake himself, didn’t ram into Lewis before the kerb, next thing u know he bounces off the kerb then which prevents him steering left, meaning his car goes into Lewis. Simple physics

[@77anders]

Great analysis! Especially with the older overtakes on Monza. I don’t understand the Perez penalty though, when compared to the stewards’ judgment of the Lewis/Max incident. Max wasn’t alongside, so he should have backed out. That’s fair enough. But Perez WAS alongside Leclerc, ahead even. He backed off to avoid a crash with Leclerc. Otherwise they could have ended up like Lewis and Max. Why didn’t Leclerc get the penalty for squeezing Perez off?

[@stefanck]

It was a very poor decision by RedBull not to give the position back right away. All drivers know they can't overtake someone outside of the track and this is just what happened. If they gave it back, he probably would have passed Lec a few corners ahead and finished P3.

[@tylersimmons6524]

The problem is, he didn't back off and he gained an advantage by cutting the corner. Had he given the position back, he doesn't get the penalty. Though, he may have had to use up his tires a little more getting past Charles, and lost out to Valtteri anyway.

[@PiousMoltar]

But he did give it back, admittedly only after his team told him to, but hey it's a race, you don't want to give the position back unless you need to!

[@stefanck]

@@PiousMoltar No he didn't, where have you seen him giving back the position ?! Also Horner said they didn't do it because the FIA didn't tell them they had to.

[@ivangojak8854]

Just watch first lap and duel between max and hamilton, wheel to wheel , same squeeze no penalty.

[@huoluohao]

Love the analysis hate the title “who to blame”, can we change the title to be abit more neutral, eg frame by frame analysis. End of the day sport is something to enjoy and accidents do happen with these two world class drivers, and this is just pure competition. Blame on the competitiveness seriously.

[@makkie211175]

Indeed, i agree, there is no blame, its just hard to hard racing, a real combat, a real fight with real consequences. Hamilton fans or Verstappen fans, in the end... they all love it. FIA should only worry about the safety... not the blame... let them fight.

[@yourerightmybad7363]

i think they assigned fault to verstappen because of his statement after the crash, it made him sound like he really intended to crash if hamilton didn't yield, despite knowing that the likelihood of such incident is high. I do think that contact between cars are totally normal, but deliberately doing that is like schumacher crashing into villnueve.

[@flammenjc]

Ultimately its a racing incident, but from Verstappens point of view, you really have to be at least wheel to wheel or beyond to make a move work from the outside. Trying to make a move from the outside without a positive overlap is just foolish.

[@itskoota]

then that right there tells you its not a racing incident and verstappen who was behind is at fault

[@omiitopa5498]

Great OBJECTIVE analysis - v refreshing 👍🏿

[@lindsaynewell6319]

The big difference is at 9:50 - Giovi's front wheel bumps Leclerc's front wheel and that creates the gap to make it round turn 2 without hitting the sausage. Max basically bet on being able to do the same - muscle his way past by bumping Lewis - but it didn't work out because he couldn't get fully alongside. There may even have been an earlier wheel to wheel bump at 9:34 that just helps create the space and the line for Giovi to get round turn 2. Great racing by all - sometimes it works, sometimes not.

[@RonaiHenrik]

Oh yes, definitely, F1 pilots purposefully bump there rivals to gain some extra space. Because that's so easy to do and F1 cars are just as toughly built as bumper cars.

[@etraag]

Although I think it was a racing incident, I'm fine with a penalty for Verstappen. What is incredibly confusing though is the severity of the penalty. In Silverstone, Hamilton was deemed to be mostly at fault and got a 10 second penalty that didn't do anything. He still continued his race and won the race. In Hungary, Bottas went bowling and got a 5 place grid penalty for taking out several cars. In Monza, Verstappen takes out Hamilton, but he can't continue either. So he was already punished. But he takes a 3 place grid penalty. How is that justified when you look at both the Hamilton and Bottas penalty? This is why people keep saying maFIA. There's no consistency.

[@leeroythelight]

They said a lot of times that they DO NOT take in consideration the RESULT of the crash, but what caused the crash. So both cars being out or not, one having crashed harder or both keeping on does not influence the penality. Sure they can be stupidly unfair, but they don't care about the aftermath.

[@t-tech7797]

I think you mean Hamilton took Verstappen out

[@enyaliosares4301]

For heavens sake you’re another one of those “consistency” whiners. You can’t give an in race penalty for an incident where both cars aren’t running. So a post race penalty is given. Hamilton, served an in race penalty. It is consistent, you’re just not seeing the wood for the trees

[@roreedottin2386]

To be fair, bottas only got a 5 place grid penalty because all he did was miss judge his braking point on a freshly wet circuit without prior knowledge on when to brake. Hamilton only got 10 seconds because he was still in the race and it corresponds to a 3 place grid penalty. Especially at the start of the race where a great start can gain him a position or 2 anyway. If max had carried on, he would've gotten a 10 second penalty at most.

[@crazymannxl]

Bottas and verstappen retired and Hamilton didn't you can't give a grid penalty to a car that's still running and you can't give a time penalty to a car broken on the side of the road. This is not rocket science

[@necrisma]

Joly: There was still space..... me looking at the space that only a bike could fit through....where is the space???

[@goestdummy]

Go through the video once again then

[@PoYenTseng]

That's why Joly and Giovinazzi are racers.

[@djkleb7645]

Cameras are very deceptive, there was space

[@Only-Bonks]

When you loved Jolyon in F1 and now you love this Jolyon underrated much

[@moshambles]

Another superb analysis Jolyon 👍