Altmill vs Onefinity (SHOCKING RESULTS)

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

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[@Ryanwprice]

One thing worth noting is that Sienci runs under an open source model. I have their Longmill and when I broke a part, I just downloaded the 3d model and printed it out instead of ordering a new one

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

Yep, and I'm so glad you said that. I really wish I would have made a point of saying that in this video. Its a cool and notable thing that they do!

[@felipenavas]

Being a 3D printing guy, it was pretty obvious that the problem was acceleration. It's such an important point that companies advertise it in their printer ads. If you tell two machines to move the same speed and one is faster, it means that the low acceleration is not allowing it to reach the maximum speed you requested.

[@nationsnumber1chump]

The rapid change is very intriguing but I still like altmill for its rigidity of the base

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

I hope to get my hands on the rapid change, we will see!

[@MarkLasbyCNC]

As a Canadian Onefinity owner I can tell you that Canadians do NOT get a better price. Onefinity prices are in US dollars so Canadian pay a minimum 2.5% exchange fee to convert our money into US dollars to pay for a machine that is made in Canada and shipped from Canada. I have purchase parts from Onefinity. (I broke a couple of plastic pieces when the dust boot and drag chain got caught.) Onefinity's minimum shipping charge for a $5 part in Canada was $19. I have purchased bits from Sienci Labs in Canadian dollars. Their minimum shipping charge in Canada was $10. And 8% oh yah.

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

Wow I never knew! Thanks for taking the time to write all of that out, Mark. I know that will be helpful information to a lot of people!

[@JezVibert]

Be thankful you're not in the UK. For a Onefinity Elite we have to pay $650 shipping plus 20% tax on the whole lot

[@MarkLasbyCNC]

@@JezVibert Shipping a Elite Foreman across Canada cost me $495 US and I had to pick the machine up at the depot 20km and a $30 ferry ride from my house. To have the machine delivered to my house would have been $800 US. Where I live in Canada the sales tax is 12% on equipment and shipping. It the price we have pay to live in a socialist country.

[@JezVibert]

@@MarkLasbyCNC wow! I thought you guys were sorted but what do I know? In that case delivered to my drive isn’t so bad

[@littleshopofrandom685]

Shipping in, out, and to canada is a horror show.

[@Aastan]

The noise test you have a bit in the Altmil, but no bit in the onefinit. You could be getting some noise from the spinning bit

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

Yes! I reran that specific test after seeing your comment and I saw no noticable difference. But I'm very glad you brought it up, because that never even crossed my mind!

[@canuckinjapan]

Thanks for the unbiased and informative review/comparison of the Onefinity Elite and the Sienci Altmill. I have had my eye on both machines for awhile, and this was good food for thought. Salutations from a Canuck in Japan, keep up the good work. 👍

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

Ay! Thanks for taking the time to comment. One day I'll see Japan, its been on the list for a while!

[@PinoyDIY]

I have woodworking Onefinity since it was released. It is upgraded to 2.2kw 220v 80mm spindle. I want to move to bigger size but this time I'm gonna pick the Alt Mill.

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

Nice!

[@hackaxl]

Thanks so much for making this video. I’m looking at both and this was incredibly helpful. I think it would be enormously beneficial for Sienci to respond to the mystery around the broken bit and, more importantly, the spindle pulling up for the day. Fantastic video though. And really appreciate all the time and effort that’s gone into making it because it is so valuable to potential buyers.

[@brianmcnulty4768]

Thanks for the side by side, honestly your neutral and matter-of-fact presentation is refreshing. Keep up the good work. Oh, and 8%!

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

Thanks! I did my best to be as neutral as possible, so I really appreicate your comment!

[@srleitch75]

Great video, could we get one that compares rigidity and accuracy between the two?

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

I struggled over this for a while. Simply put, I don't think that there is anything that I'm capable of in my shop to really (and easily) prove rigidity between these two machines. I think me attempting at that would just fall flat. I know that sienci labs has an extensive rigidity test that they have made public, so there is some information out on theirs.

[@tallflyer]

@@HamiltonDilbeck What about drawing perfect 6” circles in hardwood at different feed speeds in the middle of the Z axis gantry and measuring them?

[@Taliesen.]

Why do you think it is cheaper in Canada? Onefinity charges in USD. So we get hit with currency exchange too.

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

Guess thats my blunder! I thought there were no import fees and such. Sorry for the confusion!

[@yvan2563]

And with our exchange rate going down the toilet, it makes the Onefinity more expensive every single day.

[@Dugsin503]

Wow! I was a 1%er and now I’m an 8%er success 😂 Thanks for a great comparison of the top two affordable cnc’s on the market.

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

lol huge success! Thanks for taking the time to comment, it means a lot!

[@bubba6945]

Thanks for the video Hamilton you did a good job comparing the 2 machines

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

thanks I appreciate it!

[@alexlmichaels]

8% here and I've had the altmill for a couple months now I've been happy with it so far but haven't run much on it

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

Its a beast for sure!

[@Aastan]

Ordered Altmil today, on the waiting list. Referenced Hamilton Dilbeck when purchasing.

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

Thats so awesome and thanks for using the link!!!

[@carlmeline6091]

8%. Good job on the comparison and the cost difference with the latest Black Friday offer. I kind of want to wait for the ATC to come out (included with the Onefinity machine in the Black Friday Package, sent separate in Feb. it says on their site) to let the bugs get worked through. With every new release of a product, no matter how much pre-release testing goes into it, you can't predict every failure type.

[@Johnny.D]

Thanks for the comparison. I have a scienci mk1, and it is great for my needs. Their customer service is great too. My only upgrade will be a SLB. But only when start using the machine to its max potential. Oh ya 8%😊

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

Nice! and thanks for taking the time to comment 8%er!

[@tpsooner7816]

Excellent comparison! Thank you for doing this! I do think both are great machines & you covered them well.

[@craftywoodworker]

8% thanks for the content, very informative for someone still deciding what way to go 😊

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

Thanks!!!

[@brstoufer]

Thank you as one of the 8%’ers. I have been waiting for your review as I am looking to upgrade from my Inventables to one of these 2 machines.

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

Either one is quite the upgrade! Thanks for sticking around and commenting!

[@darnelllindsay1659]

8%. This video confirmed that I made the right choice 8 months ago. I need to see how to upgrade to the ATC.

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

Thankfully it seems easy enough to upgrade! Thanks for taking the time to comment!

[@BadPandaWoodworks]

8%. I'm sure you did this... But you didn't mention it... Your Altmill spindle probably shut off because the VFD overheated. If it happens again, check the VFD for an error code.

[@greenwithNV]

Fantastic video! I am staring down the barrel at retirement and am building my dream workshop right now (20x48x16) and CNC'n is going to be a focus of mine, OF and the Altmill are two of the machines that I have been researching the shit out of. I bought the Elite foreman the other day and am 99.9999% sure that when Scienci comes out with the 4'x2' Altmill I'll own one of those too. Keep up the great work!

[@stlwoodworking]

8% lol ...... wooo hooo Great VS brother. Might have to get me one of them Onefinity cnc's in the future

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

You're the man, Greg! They are pretty slick!

[@thayerhealey6888]

8%. Great comparison. Goodonya. My dream machine was an 1F Elite with 2.2 kw PWNcnc ATC, until saw this. Now I want to give it some time to see how Sienci works out their spindle issue and expands to a bundle with spindle and RapidChange.

[@michaelnewdigate4509]

I don't think there was really an issue with the spindle, the VFD overheated. You can buy the altmill with machine only then get a PWN CNC spindle like I did.

[@skallinator]

Hmm I wonder how the rigidity compares too. I also tried to tram my Onefinity and ended up stripping the threads and snapping the tram screw before the tramming tool aligned. Is tramming easy on Altmill?

[@markhamilton8765]

8 %. Great comparison video. Thanks very much!

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

Thanks so much!

[@iwannaapple7190]

This video makes me appreciate mine even more. I have a rack and pinion cnc4newbie (which you should test**and then give it to me since your running out of room?)and once I made the mistake of setting my router to slow of a speed. It wound up getting stuck in the wood which shut down the router and surprisingly my motors did not break the bit and I caught it in time. It was an amazing thing! I just turned the power on and off and started it back up and kept that $50 in my pocket and I still have a very reliable machine. However, I also use gSender with a small remote pad and it does work faster and what I really like is the extremely low maintenance even though I haven't gotten around to setting up a dust extractor yet.

[@MyLifecraft]

I just bought a Onefinity Elite foreman and there was a few times when i accidentally jammed up the spindle. I'm using the 2.2Kw PWN CNC spindle, and jamming up a $1000 spindle can be very scary. You can hear the internals still turning, but the bit doesn't turn. i thought for sure i was going to fry it. I even shoved it straight through my tabletop on accident once lol. but even after all those mistakes it still works flawless! i have to give it an A+ on Durability.

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

It's a beast!

[@StephenHamm-qi9ri]

I would love to see a full DOC on 3/4” plywood on both machines at 200 IPM. Also, show how accurate and well the cuts are. Use a new Jenny on both machines for the test.

[@surfingnoid]

Thank you for another fantastic video! This was clear, concise, and thought-provoking, bringing up points I hadn’t considered before. I truly appreciate your honest and unbiased perspective-it’s refreshing and insightful!

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

Thanks! I really appreciate it! and once again thanks for helping me figure out how to force g-sender at startup!

[@Hog-g2z]

Good morning 🌅, That was a great territorial, find it very interesting, But funds, as I am a pensioner, not like the good old days, Keep up the great work look forward to your next upload ,

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

Thanks so much!

[@calebsanz9826]

8%. Happy Thanksgiving Bud!!

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

Happy thanksgiving!

[@BigMexWoodWorking]

nice video and great work on both cnc machines i was back and forth on these 2 and it was hard to choose but i went with cheaper and so far i am vey happy with it and the support for a newbie and yes 8% great video

[@WanderingStar-fq4cn]

8% Hamilton said that he had a problem with the ALTMILL spindle acting up and then was fine in the morning. I had ordered the SIENCE spindle for my Longmill and just installed it. (First cut will be tomorrow.) Went with the air cooling rather then the hassle of water cooling. I have seen pictures of the PWN-CNC spindle VFW and it looks a lot larger than the SIENCI VFW that came with my spindle. I wonder since Hamilton was filming without dust collection, maybe the VFW just over heated and needed to cool down for a while. Are the Altmill VFW and the Onefinity VFW about the same size? And where they are mounted make one closer to having dust being sucked in by the fan which would cause overheating? Maybe adding a small section of filter material in front of the fan would help?

[@michaelnewdigate4509]

I only do 3d carves, so that time difference is amazing, especially with the updated test. I have the buildbotics onefinity now and it goes as fast as it can, and my old xcarve still carves 3d faster. Might have to grab an Altmill.

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

Crazy fast with the 3d carving!

[@WindRidgeWoodCrafts]

Nice to see a shootout of these two. I've had a Onefinity for a couple years, so it's nice to see the comparison with another machine. Likewise, I came from Next Wave prior to Onefinity, and I'm happy with my current choice. Thanks for taking the time to present it to us 8%ers.

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

Nice, thats really cool! Thanks for taking the time to comment!

[@T0tenkampf]

8% thx for the comparison! Im still leanig toward building my own bit this is good info.

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

Nice, that should be a fun time!

[@jimpalmer1944]

I seec the Altmill has an attached screen, does it work much like the Masso? Or, does it required a computer connection vs a USB?

[@tallflyer]

@@jimpalmer1944 That’s their gControl unit. Basically a Windows PC in a fabless, touchscreen enclosure. Hamilton has a recent video about it.

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

The masso is an all in one unit, where as the altmill uses its Super Longboard controller, but requires a computer (laptop or the gsender panel computer shown here) to operate the cnc machine.

[@skallinator]

Can you show how we can update the Onefinity to have those higher accelerations and if it works and how it compares?

[@dpmakestuff]

This was a very good video.

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

Thanks, I appreciate that!

[@mickkoldy1323]

The fact that the machine shut down and couldn't be rebooted is a problem that seems to be overlooked by many of the posters. That's a huge problem. The speed can be resolved by changing the settings. Secondly, the spindle offered being compared to the Makita router is also a problem. I have a Pwn spindle air cooled and it's a beast. More money yes but, worth it. Excellent video, I recognize this was not an easy one to make for your channel. But, Hamilton, you did so with integrity.

[@caleb7494]

The speed can not be resolved simply by changing the settings. The Onefinity lacks rigidity which is why the factory acceleration is much lower. Increasing the acceleration to match the altmill would result in much poorer carved quality, I have one and have tried it.

[@gihadmurad]

User error

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

I appreciate you saying that, it was a fun video to make!

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

how?

[@littleshopofrandom685]

@@HamiltonDilbeck Drive is not set up correctly. If it was meant to be preconfigured by scienci, then it is their "user" error. If the drive was meant to be set up by you, it is yours. I don't know how they provide the kit. But rest assured, this is 100% a setup issue, and not a fundamental issue with the spindle. Drives need to be correctly tuned to the spindle motor or they will slip and not provide any useful torque at load. You should have immediately emailed scienci for support on this because you are now giving an incorrect impression of the spindle. Do it right now in fact "hi my spindle does not seem to have any torque at load, can you please advise on if the drive is set up correctly?".

[@AndyZartman]

8%. Thanks for doing the comparison. Food for thought indeed.

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

Thanks for sticking around and for taking the time to comment!

[@herbertliedel7019]

8% Nice review. Having had an CNC Mk1 since they started and added the Vortex unit I have been very happy with the customer service. I also already have the Vetric pro software so most of the hidden costs have already been paid. My next upgrade when I get my shop built will probably be the Altmill.

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

I continually hear about how everyone loves Sienci Labs support!

[@spencermallett8389]

@HamiltonDilbeck - Thank you for putting in all the backend work to compare these machines. Great videos! Question: If the price difference of $1600 between AltMill & Elite Forman is negligible, I can equalize the spindles by purchasing PWN Spindle Systems for either machine, most aftermarket components are also configurable between machines, and one of my goals is to pursue the company that will be in the 4x8 format market the soonest, what would do you? I am also taking into consideration that given enough time to troubleshoot, Sienci Labs will be able to match Onefinity in their 4x4 machines. Thoughts?

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

Tons to work through with all of that. All I can say is to buy the machine that you can grow with. Thats the one that will serve you best long term. Everyone has differnt goals and projects

[@billstauffer4304]

8% and I have the MK1 from Sienci Labs. Thanks Hamilton, great comparison.

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

Thanks for taking the time to comment and watching all the way through!

[@8bits955]

I am very confused on how does this compare the speed and performance of the two machines, surely if the gcode are the same it will run the same, the only thing that will affect the time is acceleration of the movement which if is not been set equal on both machine will run what ever is default, but i would say that is job dependant surely and down to the user?

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

The same g-code is the only way to really see how they respond. Picture the g-code as a race track, and the machines as different drivers (controllers) and cars (machines). Each driver will respond to the same racetrack differently and their car will also be slower or faster in different ways. Having the same g-code makes this as equal as possible.

[@8bits955]

@@HamiltonDilbeck i do get where you coming from using the same G-code is really the only way to compare the two. However surely you want some kinda of gcode that ramup the speed in small increment until break (either tool break like you already got or stepper skipping steps)

[@kevinrich4637]

%8er I appreciate your time doing this video!

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

Thanks for sticking around and commenting!!

[@billwiley6896]

Great video. Keep up the good work.

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

Thanks so much!

[@DsBallsandExotics]

8%. Also love my onefinity machine. How can I change the stock rapid speed to the new 600ipm? Do I just do it thru the Masso?

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

Yep! Here you go, direct from Onefinity - "If you have an Elite machine, go to the F1 page, on the lefthand column double tap X-Axis and set maximum feed rate to 600 inches/minute or 15240 mm/min. Repeat for Y axis. Reboot and enjoy faster rapid speed!"

[@DsBallsandExotics]

@ Awesome thank you so much! Still have lots to learn but love your videos they’ve helped me learn a lot.

[@bobkelley2555]

A great video with lots of useful information! 8 percent

[@cliffgeter1105]

8% thanks for the great content Happy Thanksgiving!!!

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

Thanks so much, Happy Thanksgiving!

[@richardspears3033]

8% I'm looking to purchase a machine next year. Thanks for all the info.

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

Thanks so much!

[@patrickfunk9102]

Great Video! Wondering if the Masso controller is easier/more intuitive to use than the Gsender? Other than startup lag and button lag any noticeable differences? Still on the ol BB onefinity controller.

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

I think g-sender is much more beginner friendly, but only to a point. Both have learning curves and both become easy to use after running a few jobs!

[@michaeljakus8373]

I have both and was really reluctant on purchasing the one infinity elite because I was so used to G sender, but after a few cuts I now prefer the Masso over G sender. Once you get used to Masso it's very easy. But with all that being said they are both great systems.

[@T0tenkampf]

​@@michaeljakus8373the masso looks like it has the cleanest and most powerful interface rivaling even Acorn

[@DavidFlood-bm6lu]

8% Nice comparison Hamilton. I’ll be sticking with my Onefinity. Just ordered the rapid change. Could the Altmill's aggressive acceleration settings be causing spindle stalling and broken bits? Might not be a problem with small stepover when 3d carving, but too much when aggressive cutting? Also, there has to be a cost in wear and tear on the equipment with increasing acceleration. Big spindles are a lot of inertia to move around so quickly.

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

I hope you enjoy the rapid change, I also hope to get my hands on it in the future!

[@petermarin]

This is a great video. Can you do an entry level offering comparison/ ranking?

[@Davesshoppe]

Thanks for sharing! 8 percenter here! 😊 Dave

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@ICEWoodWorks]

Came to the comments section first and seen everyone posting 8%. Idk what it means, but I wanted to fit in so I'm 8% (probably should finish the video now).

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

lol thanks!!

[@beezee6979]

8%er still learning which path to choose in terms of brand. Thanks for sharing this info

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

Thanks for watching til the end and for commenting! I hope the video helps a bit in deciding!

[@jameskuhlman9835]

Thanks for the heads up on CIC's black Friday deals. Pulled the trigger on 4 more large sheets of bam-x. Not inexpensive, but less so with that sweet, sweet discount.

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

bam-x really is amazing stuff. Glad you snagged some!

[@jameskuhlman9835]

@HamiltonDilbeck It's a huge hertz donut to enjoy with my morning coffee, but 40 bux is 40 bux, lol

[@dennishuddleston2000]

Once again a GREAT video!!!

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

Thanks so much!

[@freypod]

8%. Great video!

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

Thanks so much!

[@codarussell7925]

Would like to see that tree carve again with the acceleration turned up. I bet it would match the altmil

[@bobtarter1883]

8% great video just ordered the onefinity.

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

You're gonna have a blast!

[@bubba6945]

That's speed difference is why the bit broke.

[@lpsg405]

Slowing down the video, it looked to me like the bit only broke because the spindle crapped out and stopped.

[@kylebonawitz2630]

​@@lpsg405"Crapped out" or stalled due to higher acceleration/speed and subsequent higher effective chipload.

[@lpsg405]

@@kylebonawitz2630 There is no “higher effective chip load” here. The bits flute geometry remained unchanged. Higher feed rates and rpms increase chip volume but not chip load. Besides, those 1/4” bits can easily handle 200 ipm at 18k rpm. He also stated that the spindle stopped on him several times during off camera use. Probably just an electrical gremlin somewhere in the build.

[@kylebonawitz2630]

@@lpsg405 Maybe we aren't talking about the same thing terminology, because holding constant the endmill, feed rate and rpm are the only 2 variables that determine chip load. Chip load being the amount of material removed by each cutting edge of an endmill during a single rotation. Higher chip load means more required horsepower. Clearly the Altmill's spindle did not have enough power for the programmed moves, but it's also not clear from the video if the Onefinity would have had enough power either. At the times the bits broke on the Altmill (which I recall were during times of acceleration, not steady state), the Altmill was moving at a much higher feed rate in comparison.

[@T0tenkampf]

Is your 1F using the new Redline spindle and VFD?

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

Yes, for all of these tests.

[@TerryForeskin]

@hamiltondilbeck I Didnt know you let Nazi SS members in your CNC community.

[@NewmanSpecialsWoodwork]

Nicely done brother - I guess I’m the 8% too

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

You're the man! Thanks brother!

[@NewmanSpecialsWoodwork]

@ you’re the man, man! 😂🙌

[@PetrucciSP]

8%, Been eagerly waiting this video. I appreciate the run down and comparison. One of these will be my first cnc. The price on the altmill is so attractive, but the spindle concerns and support from onefinity make not an easy choice. Im curious if alt mill will respond to the spindle issues, their response might be the deciding factor.

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

The great thing is that I think either machine is a good choice. I'm certain that the spindle stuff will get sorted out shortly!

[@jorge242]

I use larger industrial CNC's by Zund and Kongsberg. The only thing I would cut faster than 200 in/min is PVC plastic.

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

Nice!

[@johnread7404]

That's exactly my feeling. I see countless comments from people going on, and on, about speed and rigidity etc, when in reality the machine does exactly what it is designed to do. I have a Onefinity Elite. I'm in the UK and their support is fantastic. I also think the machine is fantastic, the controller is brilliant, and they are always tweaking ways to improve things, or ways for you to grow with the machine. They recently sent out a memo about changing the stepper motor resolution for smoother cuts\movement, as well as an increase in maximum feed rate to 600ipm for people with spindles. They shipped spare ew parts to me from Canada to the UK in less than 3 days from first reaching out, door to door. Incredible. People nowadays are always looking to others for validation in the things they bought. Do your own homework, make your own mind up using videos like this or other available info. Get what you want, without criticising other companies. Everyone is different. 8%

[@joedilaura2560]

Always enjoy your content. I’m an 8%er

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

Heck yeah! Thanks for watching!

[@aarong402]

8%...can't wait to see the upcoming changes to CNC with me

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

I'm excited!

[@BipinBabu-k4c]

Masso G3 Touch is an Industrial Controller...! That controller is an overkill for such tabletop CNCs. It uses dedicated Processor and a Control Program. It doesn't need a PC So the communication is faster. Control signal management is also richer. Low velocity set by Onefinity must be because of safety reasons. Masso is used in multi axis and ATC enabled machines It also Supports lathe/plasma/laser Configurations and their related sub features. Most of its production capabilities have been disabled for this tabletop machines.

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

Agreed!

[@T0tenkampf]

I'm was considering g buying a dumb onefinity pro and buying the masso directly...I don't like thar 1F has messed around with it.

[@dominicfeira8037]

It’s not a stock Masso? What do they do to it?

[@BipinBabu-k4c]

@@dominicfeira8037 The Controller would be the same. Masso Can Limit Features with in the firmware based on what you pay for.! They have the advantage that the firmware is developed around their hardware. The OEM company which buys the controller can further tweak the parameters based on their machine Mechanical Profile. CANCAM uses Masso for their mid range Industrial Lineup of Machines. But still ATC/Vacuum Table/Multiaxis enabled But Opensource platforms like Gsender/Openbuilds are not specific. The Gcode Data stream has to be managed with a dedicated hardware+Software Solution. Otherwise We would have to address a number of bugs and communication glitches..etc. But still this domain is in the mid range. controllers like Sinumerik or Haidenhain are on the extreme level.!

[@BipinBabu-k4c]

An advanced CNC User would need productive Features like Multiple Work offsets, Tool height offset, Edge Finding Features of Stock , Other Probing modes to locate WCS..etc You may have to go through many workarounds to achieve these with Opensource Platforms

[@bubba6945]

Either machine is capable of different spindles get a pen on both machines to compare apple to apple

[@T0tenkampf]

Not entirely true, 1F will end the warranty on your machine unless you are using their Redline spindle

[@randallmasoner]

8%er here. Thanks for the comparison!

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

Heck yeah! Thanks for watching!

[@st0mper121]

I had to order parts from amazon to fix my Onefinity. Onefinity would not sell me a replacement part. They caused my CNC to go down for almost 3 months. If your doing any kind of CNC business I would stay away from Onefinity.

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

Darn, sorry to hear that!

[@Taliesen.]

What part was that?

[@waynegodfrey4117]

@@st0mper121 Interesting. I’ve had just the opposite experience. Do you mind sharing what type of part it was they wouldn’t sell to you?

[@kevinkruse88]

I’ve always had a very good customer service with them

[@st0mper121]

@@waynegodfrey4117 was a replacement screen for the Onefinity (I have the woodworker original Onefinity from the kick starter) started delaying responses then quit doing any kind of touch commands. I contacted them. they felt i needed the orginal power cord to the screen that took a dump. I made (A LOT of us made) a tpu case for the screen and found out the 7" screen dont need it. (power cord) I ran my CNC for over 2 years like this. But because i no longer had original power cord. I was not able to get a replacement screen or able to get the masso upgrade. I had to order a screen from amazon and wait over 2+ months for it to come in.

[@theebalz]

8%! Do you think a different but maker would have a stronger bit and the Altmill wouldn't have broken? Also, do either of these companies have plans in the next year to produce a 4 x 8 table? I know A LOT of people have been asking 1F for one. Tiling isn't always the best option. Thx. Great & informative video. 👍

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

Nope, Cody at Jenny Bits makes some of the best bits around. Its not the bits fault. And I hope that they make a 4x8 as well, that would be awesome!

[@T0tenkampf]

I've been designing my own CNC... Everyone asking for a 4x8 doesn't upstand that is beyond the length where ballscrew whip is an issue. Go look up machines that size and they are running driven rotating nut setup or massive ballscrews with servos. You are doubling or tripling the cost to get there. Rotating ballnuts can run 700 bucks a piece.

[@tallflyer]

8%……. Interesting. I’m still a little ways out from purchasing either of these (I have a new to me Longmill still in the box I bought used that I’m going to mess with first) but there’s some good stuff to digest. I want to see some follow up with the Altmill spindle, and hopefully the guys at 1F are sending you an ATC to work over.

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

As things progress i'll post about them! And thanks for sticking around and commenting!

[@billcarriveau]

Not sure masso vs gsender was a fair or usefull comparison, if you were going to go that route you should have compaired the 1f pro macine not the elite witch is a cnc with a commercial controller not made by 1f but by masso. Will be buying the altmil in the near future and push the elite into the corner after what they did to pwncnc(not a pwn fanboi)

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

The elite series and Altmill both use closed loop stepper motors.

[@robertmartin2968]

I have the onefinity original 32"x32" with a 220v Spindle and love it and ya the price was and still is $US so no ve don't save money on them.

[@Grat1616]

8%’er - great content!

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

Thanks so much!

[@3DHP]

Great video Hamilton Thank you

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

Thanks!

[@garystrickland]

Thank you for comparing the two CNC. 8%

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

Thanks for sticking around and taking the time to comment!

[@littleshopofrandom685]

So your broken bits on the alt mill: The spindle is bogging down, and as it does it overloads the spindle, and the bits break as the spindle basically stops. The drive then overloads and possibly is overheating and therefore will not restart until it has had some time to cool off. Should only be a few minutes. *WHY* it is overloading is the question. If the 2 theoretically have the same torque and the tools were in new condition, then there is something not set right on the altmill's drive. The reason the altmill is so fast is a combination of acceleration, and the control's ability to look ahead and keep pace with the tool path at speed. Rapids help, but acceleration and advanced path planning is what lets that speed get used. Of course both of these machines are excruciatingly slow compared to the old xzero machines :)

[@monicaharvell]

8% woot! Woot! 🎉

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

Thanks, Monica, you're the best!

[@Cadence_MFG]

8% club baby!! Lol GJ on the video Ham.

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

You're the best as always. Sorry for throwing two brand new bits into the grinder!

[@RickGauthier-y7m]

8% great comparison, thanks

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

Thanks so much and for taking the time to comment!

[@tpguitars]

Cheaper in Canada? No. Those prices are in USD so in fact it will cost us Canadians more!

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

Oh gosh! I thought they were, that sucks!

[@tpguitars]

​@HamiltonDilbeck we always get the shaft, we're sorta accustomed to it.

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

@@tpguitars I think the healthcare and hunting would make up for it!

[@hassleoffa]

8% Thanks for the video.

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

Thanks for sticking around and commenting!

[@rickfetting2347]

8% Well done

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

Thanks so much!!

[@bubba6945]

Dial the feeds and speeds back on the altmil to match cut time of both machines and see if the bit breaks to be fair to Cody

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

Oh I don't think Cody's bits are to be faulted at all!

[@bubba6945]

@@HamiltonDilbeck exactly the machine is pushing the bit harder by what 22 percent based on your tests. So to compare the bit they have to have the same cutting time. Every machine has a sweet spot to get the quality outcome in the work piece and tooling life and machine life as well. The faster acceleration could cause more wear on the machine. Also two different spindle types. The machines can be ordered without a spindle and be installed on either machine. That would be more of an apple to apple comparison. Or two Makita installed as that will be the choice of the budget shoppers. But still a very good test of both machines. I was wondering when someone would do that. Thanks it helps me decide one my next purchase. I got bit once I hope my choice this time is better thanks again for making the video comparing both. Still unsure of support with altmil I'm hoping they aren't like the other is. They need to work on how they talk and treat their customers that's their weak point being in business with the public too arrogant in my personal experience with them

[@Stewarts_Woodworks]

8 % …… future cnc buyer, zero computer skills ….. trying to learn and gather information for what seems, at this point, something hard to grasp

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

Its certainly a lot to wrap your head around. Thankfully there are a ton of great resources to dive into before pulling the trigger!

[@borgdog]

8%er here. nice video, interesting comparison, now could you quick grab a shapeoko 5 pro and x-carve pro and do the same :) I spent about a year on researching what I wanted for my hobby cnc, i don't do it for a business, just for me, and I ended up with the shapeoko 5 pro and a pwncnc spindle. onefinity was the other main contenter, the altmill was not quite available yet. I've been very happy with my shapeoko.

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

Nice! The best CNC is the one that you have and use! Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@MarkRoyko]

8%!!!

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

Thanks!

[@DuffeyWoodcraft]

8% buddy here lol. Great comparison

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

Thanks brother!!

[@RockhollowCNCServices]

8 percenter here

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

Heck yeah! Thanks!!

[@sunsoutgunsout3181]

8% I feel like I made a mistake by purchasing a shapeoko. But I've had goid experience with the machine and customer service. Is there a reason you never mention carbide 3d? Just give me the bad news straight bud. Lol.

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

Lol I think you're gonna have a blast! Shapeoko was the gold standard for a long time and they have a lot of great systems in place to provide a great end user experience!

[@quissum6418]

8% very interesting; thanks.

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

Thanks!

[@awesumonpvp4286]

*** CNC with me feedback! Not sure how else to submit this, and this is the avenue from which I had subscribed, so here it is….. I bought the year subscription expecting some more technical tutorial tip videos, ie adding rotary axis, controller programming etc, but it seems the focus is (for lack of a better description… not trying to be a jerk) a glorified facebook group cutting out trinkets? I see the value here for certain users, but it’s just not what expected. Not expecting any response, just giving feedback,m (for what it’s worth) I would have liked to have seen more technical content. Maybe you can pass my subscription on to someone who needs it. J

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

Thanks for the feedback! I appreciate you taking the time to write that out. Although CNC WITH ME is not advertised for rotary or controller programming, I'm sorry that we didn't meet your expectations! We are making some improvements for 2025 and I'll make sure to talk over this with the team. Thanks!

[@littleredbarncraft4101]

8% 😎

[@HamiltonDilbeck]

Thanks!