Hammer Sledge Review - Backfire created a MONSTER.

[@stanislavzherebchuk3674]

Damn I was waiting so hard for the new full review and I got 20 minutes of it! Thanks to you I started thinking of getting an e-board and recently bought one. And your videos are pure pleasure.

[@stanislavzherebchuk3674]

aaand it is a review by Aleks, still not disappointed lol

[@alexfroese-or9tc]

what board did you get? and how are you liking it after about a year? just got myself a Endeavor 2s, just waiting for it to ship

[@stanislavzherebchuk3674]

I got belt driven exway wave with 105mm cloud wheels and this thing is still reliable and I love riding it. In a year of almost daily drive usage (skipped winter) I snapped 3 belts so I recommend purchasing them beforehand. There is one more issue - I gained a little bit of weight since I ride it almost all the time so you've got to keep that in mind too :)

[@Hybert_]

I think all the add-ons are pretty cool and some people would like them. We are used to bare-bones longboards so it's nice to see some inventions in the e-skate market

[@MrPhillipsTheChangeAgent]

The Hammer Sledge is a great board great power and I like the overall fit and finish.

[@Ian1329]

I love the silent motors on my Backfire Ranger X3

[@MrPhillipsTheChangeAgent]

@@Ian1329 nice I like it too.

[@MrPhillipsTheChangeAgent]

@@Ian1329 nice.

[@MrPhillipsTheChangeAgent]

🤘🏾🤘🏾

[@cesarlin]

I really wish hobby wing would adopt their remote to something similar to this. Most of their remote display is just too damn tiny for my aging eyes.

[@guyatridaskerr4676]

Can we just applaud his insane horse stance

[@cloudcity2012]

I got the 2wd and all accessories, wish I got the 4wd . But the range is probably better with 2wd. Those cloudrovers are rough and they shake. Riptide Heavy/Ultra Heavy bushing kit is a must. The pneumatics actually help the stability and braking. The cloudRovers braking power/distance is lowered significantly

[@FinancialShinanigan]

Glad they added the spoiler or we'll be airborne!

[@DanielKwan]

Hammer Sledge referral discount code ‘DKWAN’ at ridebackfire.com | In case you're wondering, I was in the US with family when Aleks reviewed this board. That's why you see me walking around in an American suburbia. I'm back in Shanghai now doing time in a quarantine hotel, yay...

[@christopheraragon3173]

Hey Daniel I just got my first e board and was wondering if you had any tips for attacking speed bumps while going fast I have the exway flex er with stock wheels I usually bail before even reaching it lol

[@DanielKwan]

@@christopheraragon3173 Slow down for speed bumps. :) Also depends what the bump is like. Some you can just ride over (bring your body low like a spring). Some you can try going over diagonally instead of head on. You can also run off the board and hop back on after the bump.

[@christopheraragon3173]

@@DanielKwan Thanks so much for the tips and getting back to me pretty quickly just started watching your videos and I really enjoy watching keep up the great work it's much appreciated 😁

[@vincentrogiest2698]

Shaolin resilience

[@mostwantedpakbusu]

16:22 honest wishing you full recovery . i myself have 7 screws on my right hand . spent insurance money to cover the Singapore dollars $14 000 estimate . i dont have to fork any of my savings . ride safe everyone ; )

[@eBoard3R]

⚡ *Hopefully the "Sledge Hammer" ESC becomes the standard / norm for all future Backfire boards* ⚡ Ooo enclosed belt-drive, didn't noticr it before. I dunno who that is carvin with the "hawai" style shirt but love the carvin/thrashin pumpin style 🤙🏼🤙🏼 Nice flex to it but interestin to hear that it's more a negative considerin the trucks issue etc. Nice summary at the end 👌🏼

[@DanielKwan]

That’s Chase Missing Tooth Parker.

[@shawnklass2368]

my Zealot S have the ESC

[@ChauToVal]

I almost face planted on the X2…I totally feel you on the speed wobbles

[@cNFenix]

My concern/question is with the move to LiPo will the charger/ECU/ESC be smart and be able to discharge/charge/balance the battery cells properly to the correct voltages after each use in case you aren't riding for few days/weeks? LiPo batteries are powerful - but their downside is that many do not understand the battery maintenance that comes with LiPos. I've flown RC cars/planes/drones for a long time and I do agree with the power output of LiPos BUT they are not user friendly for the regular eSkate riders that don't understand nor have time to monitor battery maintenance after every ride. And failure to do so will result in puffy LiPo cells which in turn equals a bad about to explode pack - unless Backfire has somehow programmed the ECU to do all that which they have not mentioned...

[@franksebastianelli2467]

Also, cycle life... Handle about 1/5 as many cycles...

[@capcom4eva]

I’m staying away from lipo. I want the least maintenance board, where I don’t have to worry so much about charging, with a forgiving battery pack.

[@BlkRider]

That's why BMS exists. There is really not much difference in maintenance between Li-ion and Li-Po batteries. The only difference between RC and e-skates/e-bikes is that in RC you balance your battery with a balance charger while in e-skate/e-bike the BMS balances the battery for you. And it does not matter if you use Li-Po or Li-Ion or LiFePO4 for example (except the voltages are different but correct charger or BMS can handle that).

[@spectre_esk8]

The appearance of this board and remote just blows me away

[@italipino24]

That fingerprint 5 second lockout is a deal breaker.

[@umarrauf9331]

you can turn it off but that defeats the purpose. There should've been a setting to increase the timer. I live around main roads, all red lights here are like 2+ minute wait, this will get annoying very fast. This + DKP will be a deal breaker for me too. Love my flexi zealotS but not this one !

[@ChauToVal]

I think the 5 second lockout is a good idea just because what if someone jumps your ass in those 5 seconds. They can’t go anywhere fast enough to steal your board now.

[@pjrodriguez9755]

@@ChauToVal yes because that’s so likely to happen

[@ChauToVal]

@@pjrodriguez9755 I mean the better option would be if you had a remote fob to know that you are in proximity, your board wouldn’t lock you out and scan fingerprint again. This same tech is used on monimoto where you must have a fob on your person so it doesn’t trigger an alarm to say you stole your property. That might be the better solution from backfire.

[@ajt_atx512]

@@pjrodriguez9755 it’s pretty likely if your riding a 2000 board

[@scotthughes7440]

I just ordered this bad ass machine today!!!

[@Shoonoonoo]

Great video! I might just pick this one up!

[@ryngrd1]

The hammer sledge looks like a tricked out sports car with all the accessories. Reminds me of a C8. I'm diggin' it fr. 🔥🔥

[@xmanual]

You guys have such a great reviewing style! Kudos!

[@6kidds81]

I like the hole for the finger on the remote.i use that to spin the remote to get to the forward n back switch

[@EasonKingL]

In my opinion,Diy boards are good stuffs for creative users. But what I concern most about is the safety of those wings which could be the biggest problem when we fall down from boards.

[@BackfireBoardsOfficial]

Wings are optional for people as add on

[@RandollChiu]

Scalpel incident over the Barents Sea

[@6kidds81]

I bought my ranger x2 cause of ur trip to China ride. Best investment

[@user-ed7dy1mq9u]

I was so excited to have a fingerprint reader, but I only notice it when it’s being annoying and blocking me from moving. For example, I’m at cross walk and a nice lady is waving me to go, but I’m standing there like a dumb ass because the fingerprint reader didn’t recognize me. I would love to disable the fingerprint reader, but keep it around for initial boot up lock.

[@wolfanimations3423]

nice video! when I see your video come up I always click on it instantly!

[@chickensandwich1589]

The mud guards are a great idea, but the different batt cells and the silly spoiler is well, not so great.

[@BackfireBoardsOfficial]

Spoiler is optional as an add on for some users only. Lipo technologies have evolved over years and become more in demand with modern technologies. Overall, lithium-polymer is slowly replacing lithium-ion in the smartphone industry due to its superior safety, form factor versatility, and weight attributes in high-end and mid-tier devices. If you watched some of the Hammer Sledge videos in details, our remote/esc detects voltage of cell groups on top of overall battery package to make sure cells are in balanced voltage; otherwise will create warning through remote to users. One related article for reference - www.cashify.in/difference-between-lithium-ion-and-lithium-polymer-batteries

[@d3vill3ath3r]

Lol I'm 47 and want the spoiler!

[@Bearforceone]

WHOS IDEA WAS IS TO CALL IT HAMMER SLEDGE? I can't stay calm when thinking about how braindead this idea was, sledgehammer would've been the coolest name ever. From a consumer, no one likes this ridiculous naming choice. Please learn from this because the name choice lost you a sale, let me explain. When a board is marketed and sold with ridiculous choices made like this, it sets the bar. You now expect other stupid decisions to be made such as the fingerprint scanner. Yes it seems cool, but in practice it is going to be a pain 99% of the time. If someone is going to steal or use your board, they need the remote anyway, and the fact that it by default locks itself after 5 seconds is ridiculous. I am sounding harsh but it's important to say what I think. Everything about this board seems so amazing until you use it in real world situations and then.. I don't know. It just doesn't quite hit the mark at all? All the features you have picked pale in comparison to other addons people have been screaming for for years. If the board had integrated lights that ran off the battery, if it was sold in either a 2 wheel or 4 wheel drive, if it had the exact same remote without the fingerprint scanner, if it was named Sledgehammer, it would sell like hot cakes. Watching founders who ride eskate and skateboards, who supposedly understand the market make something like this, I don't know. It's like watching blizzard entertainment continually choose the worst option and run with it and then act surprised when people get annoyed that what they want isn't added. To Randy and Jerry (the co founders of Backfire), sorry for being so harsh boys, but holy shit, learn your market. I have only been into Eskate for 2 years but these things seem like no brainers to me. No one is going to want to be swapping those fins all the time. The spoiler looks horrendous and adds nothing to the design or function. If you wanted to make a board look cooler, you failed spectacularly. One last thing, I really hope you didn't choose hammer-sledge for the name just because DKwan suggested sledgehammer and you wanted to have the name but still be able to say you named it. Missed a massive opportunity. If you read this far thank you for your time, I sound like an unreasonable crazy fan boy probably, but I am passionate about where eskate can go and this is not the direction it should be going. Let me know if you agree with anything I said, as I welcome opinions, as this is just mine.

[@RandollChiu]

-Blizzard Entertainment "The typical life cycle of a successful game company goes something like this, with a couple of founders working hard with love and passion to make a first-generation game in the garage. The first generation of games was a great success, and the capital invested in one after another. With the office space, the funds, and the full-time time, a second-generation game full of sincerity was made. Then the capital demands to immediately release three generations and four generations to make money! For a variety of reasons (unwilling to shoddy), founders are unable to meet capital requirements. Capital held a general meeting of shareholders, declaring that the original management was incompetent, disobedient, and will be unprofitable. A new management team gradually replaced the founder's management team. The new management team doesn't care about the quality of the game, they just want to launch new projects fast and make money fast! Founders were marginalized, lost control of their companies was powerless against capital, and left the companies they founded in a fit of rage. Then the new management and capital were very happy, using the brand established by the founder to launch a large number of shoddy games to make huge money. The word of mouth is bad and the brand reputation is discredited, but it doesn't matter, After the capital makes enough money, it will take the money and leave to invest in the next game company. The founders who leave can only watch the company they founded go bankrupt, but there is nothing they can do."

[@RandollChiu]

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[@imLittleBigPumpkin]

They prevented 0.001% of the chance that the board may get stolen but blocked 100% of the times that you need to board to get moving from traffic lights with this fingerprint thing. Luckily, you can turn if off to get your 100% times back...

[@kuyeboard5251]

Good review bro! Thanks for the sharing🥰

[@PFULMTL]

The remote needs additional tweaks. They should have longer battery indicators ========== Instead of using small bars with vague measurements. The forward/reverse button is still easy to hit if you let go, and it touches your clothes. Fallen a few times because of this. I've had tiny rocks/grit get stuck in there when riding after the rain. It's sad that the USBC still doesn't have a cover.

[@worldtech8345]

Hey, awesome review! Are the little red lights IN the stock board brake lights? Or are there only brakes lights on the spoiler add on?

[@Thec0nv1ct777]

I seen someone selling a hammer sledge for 500. Plan use to change them tires to 120 clouds or 105s mads granted adding whatever for ground clearance. I asked him to show me the odometer and the battery cell report on the remote. Ive have yet to hear back from the guy.

[@CrimsonRegalia]

Here I am still trying to convince Backfire to let me buy the Extension Wings separately so I can mod my original Hammer

[@nicolanunez2635]

Very Nice 🤙

[@floriL3636]

This is a 2 in 1 Board? I would really like to see you putting also some PU wheels on these kind of Boards. The battery case looks so thick I can not imagine riding it with some 90 mm wheels.

[@DanielKwan]

You can use 90mm and such but I feel the board wasn’t really designed for that size. You’d need to remove those belt shields for clearance and should expect the battery enclosure to scrape things more often.

[@RandollChiu]

With 90 mm street wheels, the ground clearance is too low.

[@floriL3636]

@@RandollChiu Yeah but I love 90 mm wheels on the meepo Hurricane. This is the reason why people buy Belt drive: you are way more flexible. The Hammer sledge is kind of over the top in a bad way.

[@ynr_lucky_3512]

please finish the review on the exway atas prooooooo

[@RageStudios]

when compared to the other 2 most popular 4wd in the market like the acedeck ares x1 and the exway atlas pro you can see a lot of flaws in the design, hope backfire can improve in the future since they're a great company

[@cloudcity2012]

It charges super fast too.(2hr from 15%) the board turns on while its charging too which is weird but rest assured its part of the design. Doesn't even come with a manual and the box is the same from the previous Hammer.

[@BackfireBoardsOfficial]

Yes, the charger is huge with 5A output. Please kindly download the PDF manual on our official website. Thanks

[@sonder9423]

Review the voyager

[@HauntedXXXPancake]

While I do like the teeth on the edge of tires, I'm not sure I'd be happy stepping down from 175 to 160 mm - Specially with this rather long board. If anything, I want MORE ground-clearance if I'm gonna pay for 4WD drive 😎

[@justmehereUK]

better than the Barrel, it would seem.

[@FABIOTATTOOARTIST]

Hi buddy, where did u found the “brackets “ to set up the lights? Thank you

[@nicksrandomness8116]

I hold off on getting one simply because I worry it's going to break I'm 4 months after it has no warranty

[@Bearforceone]

Hey @daniel Kwan , Do you have plans to review the cloudwheel rovers? I bought as an early buyer and they have changed everything about how I ride now (for the good). Considering they are coming stock with certain boards now, I would love to hear what your take on them is.

[@yohvh]

Backfire has nice remotes. And lightning. But I think 4wd is not an useful option for boards right now.

[@mrcoin777]

So there is no point to take the 4WD one becuase the range is terrible right?

[@DataStructures]

I need help installing the pull handle on the hammer sledge $WD standard

[@joseesteves1309]

good review man. thanks for sharing. question , I'm 260 pounds now... target 200 pounds. any board that could hold me and don't break apart?...or I just have to wait until I drop 60 pounds ? I am looking for the Exway Atlas

[@DanielKwan]

Most can handle 200 lb for sure. 260 would probably just be more sluggish but I never looked into it. You may need to ask the brand you’re interested in before purchasing.

[@simon-pierreforget3191]

Propel endeavor

[@Hellodali]

How many kilos is it?

[@kylelowe]

This is basically Griff's hoverboard from Back To The Future 2

[@allister0253]

That‘s actually true in so many ways lol

[@theoriginalrabbithole]

15:24 Why not swap the trucks out for better ones? Those Gull Wing Sidewinder II trucks aren't even that popular with longboarders or the Surfskate riders they were designed for, so I do not see why e-boarders would like them either. After looking at the webpage, I can see that the front trucks can easily be replaced with better RKP trucks like Paris V3s or Caliber 3s for even more stability at higher speeds because of the Caliber plug-barrel bushing design and the rear looks like they MIGHT...be able to be swapped, if the drive system is transferable.

[@velebrz]

hot damn, max fell twice in the vid and both times it seems as if the Rovers lost traction at the slightest turn and it didtn seem wet. Is this normal???

[@jjrr2100]

Would anyone recommend the zeus pro, hurricane, or this sledge? The sledge worries me with lipos battery fires. I know alot of lipo fires happen more so than regular batteries. Especially flexible lipos worry me

[@spectre_esk8]

Is there a way to fix the sloppy pivot cup issue?

[@allister0253]

Can the board/remote receive software updates?

[@AndresAndTheCaps]

I haven’t been able to find a video comparison ANYWHERE, so how would you compare the Hammer Sledge to the Zeus Pro? I’m looking to get a longboard purely for off-road, I have my zealot for street riding.

[@DanielKwan]

If purely for off-road, I’d look into something from Propel, Baja, Apex, or Trampa.

[@animalfinatic9366]

Woah!!!!

[@owusu_ux]

what does the cell voltages tell us? I'm new to lipo batteries. Do we have to keep them at a certain voltage? How do we do that?

[@BackfireBoardsOfficial]

Cell voltages are monitored by the BMS and ESC to make sure there are no big voltage differences in cells, so the battery package is in good shape to be used. There will be warning on the remote if any cell group voltage is abnormal. Overall - this is a proactive safety feature built into the BMS and ESC for Hammer Sledge.

[@worldtech8345]

What are the knee guards shown at 0:02 ?

[@eddielolivares3952]

I think Sledgehammer is a COD developer. May be patented name

[@SogaGoat]

I feel that price is holding this board back. This is the only belt driven AT board that I see they offer for a price at this time of $1900 for the most basic option. Why do we not have a cheaper option?

[@RandollChiu]

Is the original Backfire Hammer $1399 discontinued?

[@SogaGoat]

@@RandollChiu It sure feels that way. Its not showing from the skateboard dropdown menu on their website.

[@BackfireBoardsOfficial]

@@RandollChiu Yes, the original Hammer was sold out and retired. We sell just the Sledge now

[@joaquinfraustoalfarorocco8177]

Pneumatics make me afraid of punctures :,c

[@leondecoste9732]

Hammer sledge or nomad n1

[@astrodem3041]

Hey friend can I porches a board from your collection?

[@yuxuanjiang2749]

Is Alex a student from Zhejiang University?

[@moonkisses1182]

How would you rate this against the eski mountain board I'm looking into a more alterrain board the road where I live destroyed my backfire g3s motors

[@DanielKwan]

The eski would be more off-road capable. Hammer S and others in its category are more for streets with some limited off-road capability. Both would handle bad roads far better than a G3.

[@moonkisses1182]

@@DanielKwan ok thank you so much but for the price range do you think the hammer sledge or the eski is better as for durability and performance

[@DanielKwan]

@@moonkisses1182 In theory the eski’s battery should last longer, but otherwise I don’t really know. 🤷‍♂️

[@moonkisses1182]

@@DanielKwan thank you you've been such a big help sence I've started eskate and your review on the g 3 is what made me buy it

[@user-dl5ru8tf9s]

Backfire zealot vs Lycaon Swift

[@joelmagdaleno4248]

It looks like Batman board

[@ESKATEUK]

That spoiler is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever seen.

[@jimzplace]

I remember a video where in china if mans name is John smith it turns into smith ,john.... not sure if its true but maybe that has something to do with Hammer sledge? IDK

[@DanielKwan]

I think it’s because Hammer Sledge can be abbreviated as Hammer S. But then that would make the Zealot S the Zealot Sledge… lol

[@eternitymenu2553]

make a meepo voyayer video

[@MidnightEnigma1515]

@12:41 I legit thought that was an actual car running him over 🤣🤣

[@wowcolors]

The spoiler looks ridiculous

[@italipino24]

The spoiler is cringey af

[@peterphan7430]

I miss Daniel doing reviews...

[@tirasweatherford3077]

I think calling it the sledgehammer makes more sense LOL

[@yashdulla2569]

If anyone is looking to buy this board, I am selling one brand new unopened box!

[@WatchDoggyDog]

do I have to look elsewhere to find the top speed? fuck

[@johanandersson3952]

Ubranded Chinese cells and 1600W motors is not a beast. All 4WD boards will have a lot of power but unusable in terms of portability, for me. The wing/spoiler look super silly, unless intended customers are 11 years old.

[@esk8jaimes]

300lumens front lights are soooo weak. Gotta be at least 500lumens these days; especially to compete with SL-1000's from ShredLights.

[@user-ed7dy1mq9u]

Idk man. I tried to look at my board from the distance of people walking towards me on the trail and it was bright enough that I couldn’t see anything else. It did’t feel safe to blind other people. Right now I’m trying to find a way to dim it, maybe a defuser or something. I felt like I was pissing off other people on the trail with my 300 lumen lights, I can’t imagine the rage the folks around me would feel staring at 1000 lumens.

[@esk8jaimes]

@@user-ed7dy1mq9u You've got a good point about lights that are for being seen vs. lighting up dark paths with ambient light. That being said, there's usually different brightness modes on these too.

[@MrPhillipsTheChangeAgent]

It’s fine if you have a helmet light. That’s the best light anyway. You can see the best.

[@italipino24]

I disagree. Board mounted lights are for cars to see you only. They're pretty much useless above 10 mph. I have sl 1000's on my Kaly and I just use them in the 2nd brightness level for visibility to others. It goes up to level 5. I use a high power handheld flashlight to handle the actual lighting duties that I need for actually riding with any sort of speed.

[@elfiankhuzairi23]

Huh

[@mowgli6345]

I just bought a G3. Please don't give me buyers remorse.

[@floriL3636]

sorry bro, you bought an almost 3 year old board. remorse incoming ;P

[@mowgli6345]

@@floriL3636 Lol I'm okay. It was cheap and it's mostly just a grocery getter. The only thing that's really bothering me is the vibration on sidewalks (no bike lanes in my area) but it's not bothering me so much that I would spend an extra grand to fix it lol.

[@floriL3636]

@@mowgli6345 Yeah thats the problem with hub Motors. The g2 Black was my first Board. You could try cloudwheel Donuts.

[@douglasdangelo6755]

I've got almost 1000 miles on my g3 and it's 2 years old. I love it

[@mowgli6345]

@@douglasdangelo6755 Hey, so while you're here: what have you done in the way of maintenance for your board? I can't seem to find anything in the user manual.

[@BlownMacTruck]

I feel like I have a completely different set of expectations from the typical commenters on this video. This thing is boring looking as stock and completely Frankenstein-hideous when you start adding things to it. It's tasteless and seems built around just hitting specs. "Design" (and I definitely put that in quotes) like this drives people to the boutique boards to get the hell away from it. God I hope this isn't where esk8 is going. Raw numbers may be awesome to most of you, but at a certain point the specs are "good enough" and other things start becoming way more important.

[@Ian1329]

The range numbers are most disappointing. Unless it's because test were on unusually hot day

[@user-ed7dy1mq9u]

Having the options for accessories are nice, but putting them all on at once is insane. I just put on lights and a handle on the back and I’ve been getting complements from strangers every day I’ve ridden it.

[@DanielKwan]

Personally I hope we’ve hit a ceiling in the kinds of performance that most riders would want, so esk8 companies start focusing more on design and qol features.

[@BlownMacTruck]

@@DanielKwan 100% this.

[@chickensandwich1589]

specs are sooooooo 2021.

[@bakersw0rld847]

The range is terrible.

[@eduardg5619]

I dont know, but this board is so ugly, with this fenders, wing and light, somehow like a tuned Toyota with aftermarket stuff, au man 😐

[@sirvival5461]

Hopefully a bit more km range than the hammer. Cause it sucks 🤮

[@peterobrien7465]

My opinion rubbish compared to other boards available.

[@TheRobincanuck]

What a hideous looking board. Backfires boards are so damm ugly

[@eskates]

🔥 Thanks for the review, Daniel! I submitted it to Backfire Hammer specs page here: esk8db.com/detail/backfire-hammer-sledge-(4-wd)-349

[@DanielKwan]

Hey that’s really neat. Is that your website? For the comparison feature, be aware that things like motor power and hill climb specs can be really misleading. For instance, two brands using the same exact 6368 motors, one might say 1500W and the other say 3000W while in reality they’re the same. For motors, I would just post motor size and Kv, and leave out the motor power.

[@eskates]

@@DanielKwan Yes, it's my website. Thanks for the feedback! With motors it's hard as manufactures try to amaze you with W number (which is often not exact/accurate as you said) and not very often provide Kv or motor size on the detail page. At the moment, my strategy is to put there all info that is available. Sometimes I try to reach out to manufacturers but it's quite time consuming.

[@theoriginalrabbithole]

15:24 Why not swap the trucks out for better ones? Those Gull Wing Sidewinder II trucks aren't even that popular with longboarders or the Surfskate riders they were designed for, so I do not see why e-boarders would like them either. After looking at the webpage, I can see that the front trucks can easily be replaced with better RKP trucks like Paris V3s or Caliber 3s for even more stability at higher speeds because of the Caliber plug-barrel bushing design and the rear looks like they MIGHT...be able to be swapped, if the drive system is transferable.