The Arena | Challenge Islam | Defend your Beliefs - Episode 12

The Arena is a livestream platform where you can come onto the stream and challenge Islam or you can present your own beliefs to be true. If you are a Christian, Atheist or have any other belief system, you are welcome onto the stream.
In This Episode We Have
Asadullah Al Andulusi - Andulsion project
Shabir Yusuf - All Truth Revealed
Dr Imran - Efdawah
Ijaz The Trini - Calling Christians
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[@akmaljonqosimzoda8909]

"If you are Christian, you put your mind in a box. If you are an atheist, you put your soul in a box. Only Islam can unite brain and soul together and give it(them) peace." Hamza 2021

[@commandar88]

That quote must have hit hard to Christians and Atheist

[@markstamper1]

Yeah that’s a solid quote!

[@Mirror_Holder]

and Christians proved that by themselves throughout the stream

[@Mirror_Holder]

​@@michaelmike8216 please before you speak to a Muslim, put your mind back to your head 🥱

[@leonsyr1281]

@@Mirror_Holder 😂😂😂😂😂👍

[@msc.fahmdyar1483]

Edmar welcome to Islam brother, greetings from Denmark.

[@upontruth6166]

Can you please tell me the timestamps where the brother joined?

[@Diamondraw4Real]

A caller too shahadah!? Allahu Akbar

[@Diamondraw4Real]

@@upontruth6166 its @22:30

[@upontruth6166]

@@Diamondraw4Real Jazakallah khair

[@Diamondraw4Real]

@@upontruth6166 wa iyyakum

[@hyedefinition1080]

The Asad from Brother Asadullah came out today. Alhamdullilah, that was the love of Islam and that Christian King guy deserved it and straightened out after that exchange!

[@MansMan42069]

It was a good tongue lashing. Hearing him calling that fool "son" was cathartic.

[@Diamondraw4Real]

He flipped out and then apologised though...

[@Yomanjanuary]

Brother Constructive Criticism, In the last episode (The Arena 11), On the question of “Ihsan” and uthman reply was what is going under the banner of taliban is not according to Quran and sunnah as they are not knowledgeable people. So let’s break it down brother uthman. What was the reason and concrete proof of Americans going to attack Afghanistan? Were you in that meeting when they decided to go and kill innocent people in afghanistan? Give me proof of Afghani’s came and implement “sharia law” in New York 😂? Brother uthman, On your question of what scholars taliban follow so let me tell you, we don’t have to follow any scholars although yes they did have scholars however if someone comes and hurt our families or kids or even the people who are not related to you despite of any religion. If my neighbour is hindu, Christian, Jewish and someone come and rob their house I will defend them I don’t need any scholar permission to do that. Animals defend their kids they don’t follow any scholars. Next question …. When did you last time go to Afghanistan? How do you know the normal people who are called taliban were evil and murderers? What is your quantitative research? What efforts did you personally put in collection of evidence you are saying? Brother don’t do how kuffar wants us to react and look good and give this image that we know everything, we don’t. Brother uthman you are scholar and I am not, what Quran and sunnah says about if someone try to invade your country and how Muslims should react? If non believers come and kill Muslims because of their belief what should we do according to Quran and sunnah? It’s clear from Islamic studies that killing of one person is killing of whole humanity, we are peaceful alhamdulillah and don’t want to hurt any creature on the planet and we believe it’s a biggest sin even to say bad words about someone but do they really care when we believe this, no they don’t. They ignore this part of our faith so what we are proving them ? They send rockets to space but can’t they understand that islam is against violence ? 😁 Uthman let me say here something. I think Muslims living in west gets pressurised so quickly and become very apologetic and defensive and think they have to answerable to non Muslims and justify acts of other Muslims despite of knowing what are the reasons Muslims react or maybe they were defending themselves e.g Afghanistan, because we Muslims haven’t played a part in any technology apart from followers of their inventions and influenced by their content control what they show us we believe. They believe all the Muslims who have long beard they are terrorist or extremist. Mate you are right “ISIS” is the creation of Americans maybe but Taliban are implementing laws in their country. Don’t believe the news and social media, they defend their families when Americans and the rest of world went and try to occupy them. When Muslim defends he is terrorist, when in west world someone attacks and kill innocent they are “mentally disturbed”. Mate stop getting pressurise by the environment and going with the flow how the west culture want you to be. Ask any Jewish about the acts of Israel they will laugh on our faces do you know why? Because we have no powers to show their massacre and unjust in Palestine, they control technology which leads to control minds how they do with muslims in west. I have seen in Hyde park where people want muslims to apologise on acts of other muslims and want us to condemned the acts but when it comes to non believers they never say sorry, apologise and never condemned. Wake up and and have courage to speak truth mate. You are scholar maashallah and I respect you brother but you don’t have to be expert in understanding the simple tactics of non believers against Muslims. America and whole this united nation go and invade other countries and when muslims defend, you put them in “International Terrorism List” and all Muslims living in western countries jump out and to save their backs start mocking other Muslims because they want to look good and prove that we are with you. There is a difference between Muslims living lavish life in west and Muslims living in iraq, palestine, burma. You cannot pleased non believers brother because for them even our heroes like Hazrat Khalid bin Waleed for west they all are terrorist and even other sahaba’s. my device is rather than going very technical on acts of Muslims speak out loud that ALLAH has given us permission to defend ourselves and if you attack and we defend this is no terrorism simple. Jazakallah

[@OnlytheBrave360]

Edmar Z, congratulations to joining the billions of brothers & sisters of this beautiful religion of Allah almighty God almighty of Islam.

[@chromitem1319]

Murray: " We can talk about this / We can go through this no worries" Murray a few moments later: " I don't know / I'm not an expert / y u bully me"

[@halalpolice23]

1:15:18 I’m really enjoying here 😂😂 the zombies parts. I didn’t Bible invented these movies

[@rajababy2009]

you just say my words , yeah i felt it when He was cornered he said i am not expert

[@nabeels7325]

Matthew was the OG George Romero

[@wolvezoid8729]

My paternal grandmother passed away about half an hour before the stream started, please pray for her💚

[@mdabulkhair2237]

Inna lillahi wa inna ilaihi rajiun. May Allah subhana ta'ala forgive her entirely, free her from punishment of grave and grant her Jannatul Firdaus.

[@thehalalreviewer]

Allah yerhama

[@systemofcolorfulpills]

May Allah accept from her, pardon her & put her in jannah.. Ameen.

[@nusratfarooq7409]

Ameen

[@Leila-hd3vp]

Inna lilahi wa inna ilahi raji'un. May Allah swt forgive her sins and grant her jannatul firdaus, ameen

[@TheSalam24-w7h]

"If you're Christian put your mind in the box. If you're athies put your soul in the box." Very brilliant words! And it's very true!

[@ALC6501]

So powerful quote.

[@akmaljonqosimzoda8909]

@Benjamin J Park it means that Christianity is not logical. Atheism makes you reject spirituality.

[@Kimeikus]

Timestamp it

[@thehalalreviewer]

I listen to these streams at work so Alhamdulillah for long streams!!! I love every minute!

[@tuwaylubul_3ilm]

They get me through my shifts

[@Casa43635]

The amount of knowledge and research done by Ijaz on the subject is just mind blowing!

[@halalpolice23]

The lady who said I scared about the Arabic Quran written, made me laugh today 😂😂 May Allah SWT guide her to Islam. Send her English Quran Akhi plz

[@royalideas3229]

She sounds like grandma on the edge

[@Diamondraw4Real]

SubhanAllah people have many concerns. The devil wants to stop ppl from listening to/and studying Quran. Allah guide the people.

[@isthisshabab4561]

Text: "You shall not kill" Rob: "see it says kill, you murderer"

[@ALC6501]

They read their bibull upside down.

[@ahmedkazi9238]

Jheez, what a stream! +a shahadah. May allah grant us all forgiveness in this upcoming blessed month of Ramadan.

[@abdulmalik_al-habeshi]

remember the guy before... Christopher

[@imransaghira6161]

Ameen

[@NextGeneration001]

Shame it's a fairy tail then

[@shiroboo525]

@@NextGeneration001 you do look like a fairy tale.

[@imransaghira6161]

@@NextGeneration001 shame santa 😁

[@manhaj-as-salafiyyah898]

5 hours? Mashallah the streams are getting longer💯 waited all week for this

[@_eLf45]

20:31 Edmar Shahada

[@halalpolice23]

Alhamdulilah 🥰

[@Asiyah2000]

🥳🥳🥳✌

[@haid3r88]

The longest steam so far! Masha'Allah

[@shahid8545]

Now you understand why Allah sent all the messengers and prophets throughout the history of human beings. Humans are defiantly associating partners with God no matter how many messengers he sent to guide them to monotheism.

[@halalpolice23]

10k was watching this live which ended now. Wow Maasha Allah 💪🏾❤️ Alhamdulilah

[@AbdulAziz-zv1lo]

Wow mashallah, that's how many views it got while streaming? Alhamdolilah

[@MansMan42069]

3:22:23 for a verbal Smackdown by brother Asadullah Ali Asadullah Ali is scary when he's angry. If he's talking you down a peg, you're going to be made to be miniscule.

[@incineratorium]

It's the first time I'm seeing him and my first impression is that we shouldn't mess around with him. Lol

[@MansMan42069]

@@incineratorium You should totally visit his channel Andalusian Project. A lot of his work deals with philosophy and atheism. Also, he's fought ISIS.

[@incineratorium]

@@MansMan42069 I knew it! He has that look! I'm check out his channel. Thanks!

[@youtubeaccount2728]

Hes right to deal with him the way he did.

[@whyayyyerrlaffinfhorr2152]

he turned into Muhammad hijab for a second

[@ayee4363]

Pinecreek most interesting guest. Him and Asadullah Ali's discussion was very intriguing. Also Ramadan Mubarak to everyone may Allah SWT accept all our duas and guide us all to the straight path, remember us All in your duas everyone and those in need. Whether in China, Syria, Palestine, France or even England. Wherever they are.

[@maxpayne3628]

I hope he comes on Thought Adventure Podcast.

[@TravelBandit]

Ameen

[@maxpayne3628]

@Benjamin J Park Stupid... Hamza has very poor Arguments

[@ayee4363]

@Benjamin J Park Hamza was just speaking generally, was something standard and not something I myself haven't heard/disagree with entirely. Pinecreek's points to Hamza were standard although I do disagree with one thing that he said which was saying something about 'at least your son doesn't come home saying Mum I'm gay'. As someone who might become a parent I want my child to be transparent. The way he worded and the way he put it is what I disagree with. I can explain why if you want. However I don't study Philosophy nor do I read up on it myself so Asadullah and Pine's discussion was more interesting to me. The 'I looked at it from a Muslim/Atheists perspective' from Pine was something I've done myself but reached a different conclusion and something I recommend. Interesting though, just hope it's sincere discussion at the end of the day with a point rather than pointless arguing. Less about ego. My quotes might not be accurate.

[@maxpayne3628]

@Benjamin J Park Well, if Hamza was speaking generally that's okay... In an simple conversation, I could say he was making okay points but these atheist KZbinrs just want to win over you so only an guy like Asadullah should have talked to him and Asadullah did catch him many times... Asadullah could have Seriously done better, he Really caught him on that baby flood point, had the guy brought anything against Islam specific, he would have been obliterated... Islamic theology is just too strong.

[@JA-jh5gr]

Murray came in the beginning swinging and after the panel responded ... He knock himself out

[@mightyfive]

“It’s only an issue because you make it an issue.” 🤯 If Blind Follower has a mascot, it will be Murray 🦜

[@Tislyfe]

Masha’Allah 5 hours! It was informative as usual. We had the delusional xtians, as usual. None could really bring anything that could even be compared to Islam Alhamdolilah....as usual. May Allah bless each and every one of you for each second. Grateful to Allah for br. Hamza and Ali’s ‘no nonsense’ approach. Love br. Imran and Ijaz’s calmness Masha’Allah. Love br. Shabir with his though provoking questions Masha’Allah. All the brothers wallahi each of u with ur own character are truly a breath of fresh air. May Allah unite all the righteous in jannatul firdous.

[@liljaa046]

Lovely lady, I understand that that you fear what you don't know. But she is searching and trying to understand even though she is scared. It takes guts to get out of your comfort zone. Confused but getting there

[@halalpolice23]

😂❤️ I love her wallahi. May Allah SWT guide her to Islam

[@clownshoe69]

Great stream as usual. Informative, educational, entertaining and insightful. Hopefully everyone learnt something. God bless

[@moinuddinrobin-8181]

Asadullah is amazing. His arguments are cool.

[@Life-bt9yo]

@James is tired...I just wanted to say, become our Muslim brother! Join the Ummah! 😊 Also I would like to invite you to fast Ramadan with us, if you can. May Allah ﷻ guide us all aamen

[@Life-bt9yo]

@Mynameis Mine I'm not talking about James from speaker's corner. I'm talking about the brother who came in the beginning and is a moderator in some of these Muslim livestreams. Although I won't hesitate to invite James from Sc as well. If Allah wills, he can be guided to the truth as well. Door to repentance is open for everyone until their last breath.

[@randomabd2798]

My humble opinion is for Brother Hamza to ask other panelists to speak more. BarakAllah feek.

[@HussainFahmy]

*_Pinecreek is a guest with the intention of learning._*

[@abukhalifah01]

Pinecreek was the one giving dawah tonight, real thought provoking stuff

[@timmytab2836]

Yh he's a hypocrite. It was all acting. He's actually very arrogant.

[@hu5807]

1:11:00 [ZOMBIES] JUST KILLED ME 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@N4zmul]

That guy towards the end sounded like that nonsensical aaron guy from speakers corner

[@Omarking101]

My thoughts exactly. He once said Islam came from the Catholic Church 🤣🤦🏽

[@HumayunQureshi]

lol, yes, it’s him. He’s been rinsed by everyone.

[@redsun5681]

It’s him Aaron speaker corner

[@يزيدبنمعاويه-ظ7خ]

جزاك الله كل خير

[@orwellianyoutube8978]

Hamza: “But you don’t have the gospels” Caller: “Exactly” Lol, hes admitting that the gospel is lost.

[@MrBebaslepas]

I think he's Aaron from Speaker Corner

[@halalpolice23]

😂🤣 Astaqfurullah that was epic

[@A1.4U]

That’s acc him🤣🤦🏾‍♂️

[@Asiyah2000]

Pity for them 😩

[@GutzOverFear]

Some highlights and significant moments from the episode: 0:10 Intro 1:53 Yusuf Ponders joins 2:14 Brother Asadullah Ali joins 2:38 IjazTheTrini joins 3:13 Asadullah's challenge for the chat. 4:00 That's madness Yusuf! 😭 4:56 Nostalgia for the Nintendo games. Especially TMNT. 6:52 Hamza's Jizya Tax. 😂 11:29 James joins. Asks about Muslims taking a break from streaming and debates to focus on Ramadan. 16:11 Hamza's Qur'an reading Streams. 19:48 What. The. Hell. Hamza's laugh after is epic though. 😂 20:29 Edmar joins. Former Atheist. Studied Islam for a year and grew to appreciate Islam as a Code and way of life for him and his children. 22:37 Edmar takes his Shahadah. Alhamdulillah. ☝🏼 28:46 Murray joins. Christian defends his belief in the Bible. Requests Panellists thoughts. 31:26 Murray has no idea what he's walked into. 😁 32:33 Bro I did not ever expect Ijaz to reference Impractical Jokers. 😅 32:47 Who was Josephus and when was he writing about the Crucifixion? (90 C.E - 100 C.E) And what was it's authenticity? 36:14 Who was Tacitus and when was he writing about the Crucifixion? (Post 115 or 117 C.E after the death of Emperor Trajan) What was it's authenticity? 39:11 Historic reliance on the Gospels over any other source. Including Josephus and Tacitus. 41:33 Who in History first made the claim that Matthew, Mark, Luke and John wrote 'The Gospels'? 43:24 The first person to attribute Matthew as a Disciple and Chronicler of Jesus was Papias. (Papias wrote his works between 90 C.E and 120 C.E) 45:12 Initially analysing the Historic Documents before the convoluted philological and stylistic 'evidences'. 48:50 By the mid 2nd Century early 3rd Century there was a consensus on who wrote the four Gospels. And it was cemented by Irenaeus of Lyons. Before that in the 1st Century there was no claim that Matthew, Mark, Luke and John wrote The Gospels. 54:16 The author of The Gospel of Matthew doesn't claim to be an eye witness yet Christians such as Murray insist he is. 😑 55:05 Murray claims The Bible is inerrant. (You're a natural comedian Murray) 😂 1:00:20 Most of the copies of supposed scripture comes from the Medieval era. Not the Period of Antiquity. 1:03:42 Murray reckons that though some verses in The Bible are in dispute the Christian Doctrine is not. 1:04:35 'New Testament' a textual criticism by David Alan Black, a Christian author. Debunks Murray's claim. 😬 1:06:39 Is Original Sin taught in the Bible? 1:11:22 Analysing the validity of The New Testament. 1:16:21 Murray, your Cognitive Dissonance is reaching epic levels. 🥴 1:17:58 Asadullah talks Christian Theology. 1:20:50 Murray's failed analogy that he learnt from David Wood. 😂😂 1:24:18 Surprise, Surprise The Muslim knows The Bible better than The Christian. 1:27:55 Murray quotes Paul as an attempted 'Gotcha'. Hamza cruelly swats it away. 1:28:50 Yeah, it's quite sad isn't it? Come on Murray, for your own sake have just a little bit of self-awareness. 😩 1:33:49 Book Recommendation: "Forbidden Prophecies" by Abu Zakariya. 1:35:39 Ex-Christian Atheist Pinecreek joins. (Technically doesn't reject God but rejects all religions) Asks would Muslims rather a person be Atheist or Christian? 1:38:38 Can you summarise succinctly why do you believe Islam is true? 1:38:57 Shabir's answer. 1:39:04 Hamza's answer. 1:43:37 Asadullah's answer. 1:45:31 Why should I accept Islam when I feel content without it? 1:51:01 The Struggle of The Determinist. God's knowledge does not deprive us from decision-making abilities. 1:54:19 Doug's story. 1:56:32 Let's lay it all out Gentlemen. 1:59:01 Human Beings form Societies on the basis of believing in values that are not arbitrary. 🔥 🔥 (Brother Asadullah just casually dropping Gems on us) 2:01:50 Doug brings the Evolutionary argument to the table. 2:04:00 Naturalism has no representation or connection to the abstract beliefs of morality, rationality, or values e.t.c 2:16:10 Islamic view of The Great Flood. 2:26:20 God doesn't need us. So why create us at all? 2:27:48 2:29:15 Appreciation for Doug. (Arguably the best guest in the History of The Arena)🤝🏼 2:30:10 Rob returns. (The Universe can be cruel sometimes) 😣 Starts waffling. Believes Prophet Muhammad (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) was bewitched. Surah An-Nahl 16:98-100 promises protection to the believers. This has Rob confused. 2:37:34 Poor Rob getting casually roasted by Hamza. 😂 2:41:50 Rob's disappearing act. 2:42:18 Dr. Imran humours the idiot. And surprise, surprise The Muslim knows The Bible better than The Christian. Colour me shocked. 😲 3:00:00 And at the exact 3-hour mark Spiritual Atheist/Hindu returns. Shows gratitude to the platform. Has nothing new to add after. 3:03:50 A Schizophrenic Christian joins. Bears resemblance to that Sam guy. Asks about Surah Al-Baqarah 2:183 Believes fasting was never practiced by the previous Societies. Then attempts to strawman Ijaz. 3:12:31 You just debunked your own argument you melon. 🤦🏻‍♂️ 3:19:00 Brother Asadullah bullet points some issues people find when trying to interpret The Qur'an or any other text. 3:22:33 Brother Asadullah absolutely wrecks this guys entire existence. One of my favourite moments ever in The Arena. Just beautiful. 3:27:57 James, the guy who doesn't understand women returns. Asks about Surah 65:4 Accuses Hamza of saying something he didn't. Wastes everybody's time. 👋🏼 3:35:19 Evrold joins. Has contentions with the Muslim perspective of not believing Jesus (pbuh) as God according to Scripture even though he thinks the same. 🤔 And the rejection of The New Testament as revelation from God. 3:43:32 Scholarly arguments say the author of The Gospel of Matthew was anonymous. Christians conveniently ignore this. 3:51:41 Quick education for Evrold. The oldest complete manuscript is 4th Century. (Codex Sinaiticus) which in turn exposes the forgeries and contradictions of today's Bible. 3:54:20 Putting words into Jesus' mouth. (Example "He without Sin cast the first stone" is not in the original Gospel of John.) 😬 3:55:08 Christians either don't understand or change the definitions of words to suit their needs. As demonstrated by Evrold. 3:59:04 Psalm 18 verse 30 says "The way of God is perfect and the word of God is FLAWLESS." Yet Christians are more than content with a FLAWED Bible. 4:03:01 Hamza reads Surah Al-Maida. 5: 12 onwards. Qur'an corrects the corruption of past Scripture and sets the record straight with Christians. 4:06:54 Evrold believes there was forged Scripture in the past. But the Bible wasn't one of them. 😑 4:15:05 The Biblical view of Satan is that he was created an Angel. Zechariah 3:2 says something a little different. 4:19:40 The Christian accuses Satan of inspiring The Qur'an on no basis but are okay with many vulgarities in the Bible. For example, Lot (a.s) sleeping with his daughters. They take this at face-value and do not consider it a Satanic influence at all. How could such a thing be inspired by God and not Satan? 4:25:30 Hamza tries to convey to Evrold how his standard has been ripped from under him and he constantly fails to realise it. 4:32:05 At this point Evrold has no idea what is coming out of his mouth. And the Holy Spirit takes the wheel. 4:32:35 Checkmate Crossbearer. Try and think through your points mate. You're making a flimsy argument on Quicksand. 4:37:25 Emma joins. Asks about the translations of the Qur'an. She's terrified of Arabic. Bless her. 😅 4:42:55 The Unique births of Jesus (a.s) and John the Baptist. 4:45:02 Confusion surrounding the origin and history of Buddha. 4:47:38 Young Welsh joins. Has a contention with Qur'an revealing the corruption of past Scripture. Attempts to validate this with Surah An-Nisa 4:136 4:52:40 Welsh guy desperately tries to formulate a gotcha moment but falls flat on his face. 😂 4:54:04 Father P joins. Shows appreciation to Hamza. Comments on the general conversations on the Streams. Then asks about the two Gardens of Jannah. Presumably from Surah Ar-Rahman. 5:03:07 Wrapping-up 5:06:28 Message from Brother Edmar. ❤

[@burshid4441]

The old lady was so genuine and cute. So terrified and confused yet still willing to find the truth. Still absolutely hilarious but you could hear the pureness in her soul ma sha Allah. May Allah guide her

[@mohdmz5698]

Asadullah Ali put the Christian King in his place, which is the dumpster like anyone throwing his trash away.

[@joker2288]

I actually listen to Pinecreek I was watching him earlier today. He destroys Christianity. And Subhanallah i was thinking he should come on scdawah.

[@shiroboo525]

I did invite him to come on to the Arena/ EfDawah..Im glad he came.Thank you Doug.

[@maxpayne3628]

@@shiroboo525 He should come on Thought Adventure Podcast... There Philosophical discussions are brilliant... I still think they need to improve though.

[@daniyalahmed687]

@@maxpayne3628 Improve on what?

[@hashirabdullah8645]

Pinecreek is an intellectual peasant

[@shiroboo525]

@@hashirabdullah8645 Much Agreed.

[@DefrimIsai]

TODAYS LESSON FROM ROB: I keep looking through the window of a house I am never going to enter.

[@incineratorium]

If he's looking at Islam as a great looking house from the outside, imagine what everyone else looking at Christianity in comparison, inside and outside. Stay away from that house!

[@Diamondraw4Real]

@@incineratorium its a housefire 😅

[@AbdulAziz-zv1lo]

Always appreciate your comments😂

[@nabeels7325]

Like a creepy serial killer wannabe

[@DefrimIsai]

@@nabeels7325 at the very least he’s a stalker

[@icebrow]

Lol Murray was fresh meat thrown into the Den 🥩🦁

[@zain_not_malik757]

Starwman Christian Kings made me laugh

[@Tislyfe]

That guy HAS to be on crack or something, or he could be bi-polar...not sure, his claims are pretty funny tho ngl

[@coldtreasure]

asalam aleykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakahutu brother Yusuf, hope you are doing well insha Allah! May Allah bless you and your family

[@4i4ui4i4u4]

جزاكم الله خيرًا

[@harbisulub]

Asalamualaikum ahbabi. May Allah bless you all in dunya and akhira, amazing stream mashallah tabaraka Allah, Asadulah should be invited to future streams, another lion who took no nonsense towards the end, I LOVED IT!

[@02khan]

guests 11:28 James is Tired 19:45 Christopher 😂😂(laughing stuff) 20:30 Edmar Z 28:48 Murray Warschpiraten 1:35:39 Pinecreek 2:30:05 Rob MTT 3:00:00 Spiritual Atheist 3:03:06 10 Million IQ 3:03:51 Chiristian King 3:27:44 james sc 3:35:19 Evroid Watts 4:37:30 Emma 4:47:40 next guest 4:54:07 next guest 5:03:40 nomal guests with chat 😊😊 JazakAllah khairun 👍

[@02khan]

I am so sorry for creating rubbish there. You will get my point when you will see my comment in top comment section... JazakAllah

[@02khan]

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[@HumayunQureshi]

Lol, the last guy is that old school Speakers Corner regular, Aaron. He has been rinsed by everyone.

[@Diamondraw4Real]

Allah make these streams a blessing for fasting Muslims and all truthseekers 💚

[@f1aziz]

We have heard enough blathering from Rob, he's eating up time that could have been given to someone sincere like Pinecreek.

[@peacenow6618]

May Allah Accept your works, and make it a means of acceptance and Guidance for the Ummah!

[@mohamedomar2038]

Murray thought he knew so much but he got lesson from Ijaz!!!

[@lisarey1969]

This stream was brutal !! 😳

[@Asiyah2000]

For the ignorance and arrogance 🤪

[@mohammedrahman3714]

Where ijaz disses United and hamza's cap cracks me up 🤣🤣

[@koolkol009]

That gentleman was really good. May Allah guides him, allahumma ameen.

[@koolkol009]

ameen

[@friendsbutflat8684]

It is sad that we need the arena to make people understand that 3 is not equal to 1 and things doesn't come out of nothing.. Alhamdulillah I was born believing that. 😊

[@iimiboy]

Jazakallah khair brothers, lovely stream

[@salehalsharekh3162]

Ramadan Mubarak to all Muslims Bro. Hamza, I thought you would recognize the voice of the DCCI guy, Aaron, Their lies are all over the place. Great session as well as great panelists Jazakum ALLAH khair Sister Edma welcome to Islam

[@arshadrana8879]

Best stream so far. Rob was his usual self

[@commandar88]

The second last guy is that bloke from SC. Tall skinny black guy. That's his go to argument and it failed back then and it failed again lol

[@LADHA-z1l]

Repeating the word doesn't alter the word, but changes the information it carries

[@max-kc1vq]

What a stream beautiful alhamdulliah 👌

[@MH-lf2cr]

Masha Allah Brilliant stream may Allah reward you Brother's.

[@rakimviriri9012]

Mash allah, every time I hear shabir laugh it brings me joy!

[@B.S._Lewis]

I'm a fan of Pinecreek. He just did a 8 vs 1 Christian video. I'd have to say the panel here was very much more respectable.

[@systemofcolorfulpills]

Please tell Pinecreek to come to Muslim streams (EFDawah, Hamza's Den, SCDawah, DawahWise, Kalamology, Thought Adventure, The Muslim Metaphysician etc) more often. He so much better than all those Christians who throw their reasons just to spite Islam. I did enjoy the exchange between him & the brothers. And we could see majority if not all of the Muslim viewers enjoyed it too.

[@B.S._Lewis]

@@systemofcolorfulpills He kinda just pops up all over the place. He does this for his own entertainment, so I don't know if he takes requests. But on his regular show he frequently takes anyone who calls in, especially theists.

[@systemofcolorfulpills]

@@B.S._Lewis Never seen him before, I'll check his 8 Christians you've mentioned, maybe I could take some from him :)

[@B.S._Lewis]

@@systemofcolorfulpills I find him smart, original, and funny. His expertise is in Christianity but occasionally touches on Islam, Judaism, and Hinduism.

[@zed5449]

Pinecreek is not who you think, he's a sweet talker but his goal is to attack all religions, in this case he wants to get more followers/subs first before starting to attack Muslims.

[@upontruth6166]

Nice to see brother Asadullah

[@LADHA-z1l]

There is pain, but no suffering. That is where the answer is

[@usopp0021]

Nowhere in Quran says it is "easy to understand". What Quran says in surah Qamar verse 17 is it is "easy to remember" Christian King strawmanning what Quran said in the first place.

[@parvizdawah2641]

Quran 3:7 It is He who has sent down to you, [O Muḥammad], the Book; in it are verses [that are] precise - they are the foundation of the Book - and others unspecific.1 As for those in whose hearts is deviation [from truth], they will follow that of it which is unspecific, seeking discord and seeking an interpretation [suitable to them]. And no one knows its [true] interpretation except Allāh. But those firm in knowledge say, "We believe in it. All [of it] is from our Lord." And no one will be reminded except those of understanding. where he got that from have no idea however he have to learned some basics of usul ul fiqh and usul ul tafseer he clearly have no clue what he was on about tbh

[@East1London]

Damn did the 5hrs straight SubhanAllah. That was a varied episode and very entertaining. MashaAllah brothers on the panel.

[@zak9102]

@pinecreek one of your problems was you think Muslims think Allah is All loving which is wrong! Muslims believe Allah is the Most Loving, the Most Merciful, the Most generous, the Ever forgiving.

[@LADHA-z1l]

They start off so politely,and then fizzle out.

[@aalimah16]

Christian King likes to come online and show off his arabic. Lol

[@fadatty2756]

Veeery intellectual discussion thumbs up for Hamza, Pinecreek and all the brothers. I really enjoyed this kind of talk, rather than yelling their lungs out that Jesus is God hhhhhh. As Muslims since our brain is not confined in a box rather it encourages the brain to roam around God's great creation and think and eventually reach to the moment when we say subhana Allah. If we thank him for just the brain he gave us our life long won't be enough, let alone the eyes the heart and every cell in our bodies. We all hope that Pinecreek would find the truth he's searching for in Islam, Ameen

[@adamsboy2543]

MASHALLAH BROTHERS KEEP MOVING FORWORD

[@Dontlie1948]

Sheikh Hamza, and your team of my brother, you guys doing greatest work of Dawa, may Allah bless all of us with istiqama, kindly make dua a for Muslims in India ameen.

[@sultanalhammadi2910]

Ijaz looks very cool. Probably getting ready to get married if not already married If Mohammed Hijab was here, then it would have been just perfect

[@akmaljonqosimzoda8909]

@Benjamin J Park which behavior? What did he do?

[@banimil1982]

May Allah guide brother Pinecreek to Islam and other noble and gentle souls yearning for truth. Amen

[@repla2992]

It’s been a wonderful stream. I am so sorry that I couldn’t watch it online. May Allah (swt) grant your efforts with his Jannah brothers. Assalamualeikum to all 🙋🏻‍♂️.

[@EzziiG]

I couldn't ask for a better Friday then to stay home, order a takeaway and watch The Arena. This is heaven for me lol.

[@icebrow]

To Pinecreek....Allah knows something that doesn't exist(to you only) because Allah is infinitum 'years' ahead of you. Your reality has already happened in Allah's 'eyes'...its just you that are going through the time/space matrix and have yet to 'make things happen' for yourself because you are 'behind'

[@Jack-oe8hw]

He is aware, but I know there was a point he was slowly getting to which is: Why does Allah create a soul, knowing what it will do with its free will and that it will end up in hell, when he never had to create that specific soul or anything at all in the first place? Why does Allah create any soul of which he knows will fail and he has to carry out an eternal punishment of torture on it? Why not create those who (eventually) submit to God in their life, at least shortly before their death?

[@icebrow]

@@Jack-oe8hw No he's not aware...at least not before the panel answered him...or he(and apparently you as well) isn't making the connection....So lets try to help you out....."Why does Allah create a soul, knowing what it will do with its free will and that it will end up in hell,"....keyword in there is 'knowing' and not misunderstanding that in your own terms...So to repeat....Allah 'knows' because this reality of yours and mines has already happened from Allah's perspective since Allah is infinitum 'instances' ahead of us and we are just a creation of his...tomorrow and the day after and so on has already happened..tomorrow is only a 'new' thing for us limited beings...you have already done things with YOUR free will in the 'future' it's just that you/we haven't gotten to that point yet...Allah knows because he is not bound(we are) by this time/space since he is the creator of it all...it's a 'time' concept issue...we are bound by it..Allah is not...the error atheists/agnostics usually make is that they try to conceptualize it from the creation's perspective since they fail to imagine a creator, or in my opinion, are in denial of one....try to conceptualize it from a creator's pov...best example would be game simulation in which you create a character and give it attributes etc and it goes up against a simulated world etc...You know his weaknesses and strengths etc and the gaming character is having an experience for itself in the game but isn't really aware of its creator(you) knowing everything about it...somewhat vague example but hope u get it..........."Why does Allah create any soul of which he knows will fail"...again its the 'knows' part....Allah knows because that soul did fail in this 'simulation' and Allah saw it happen already...the soul itself is just x amount of years behind the moment(s) it made the decision(s) that caused it to fail.

[@LADHA-z1l]

Definitely a difference between Education and Good education

[@thesignsofgodareamongyou8306]

Pinecreek got it spot on in regards to the christian, seems like a sincere guy, May The Creator guide him to truth.

[@TheAnonYmouse]

19:46 One of Jay Smith and Hatun's students down at DCCI LOOOOL

[@Hamza-uh6oy]

2:33:50 Rob always tries to Gish gallop, thank you Hamza and Ijaz for always calling him out, stay sharp brothers!

[@beedykh2235]

Bismillah

[@Just_logic]

Hamza: what great sessions with decent people, what could go wrong? “ ROB MITT shows up. 😂😂

[@rizwanramzan5729]

Pinecreek is such a nice and chill guy! May Allah swt guide him! امين

[@rizwanramzan5729]

@Benjamin J Park I think he is kind and sincere in actually having a discussion. He is willing to listen, converse and learn. He has great questions and I respect him for how he carries himself.

[@commandar88]

@Benjamin J Park I'm going to watch his part, what part did you like and didn't like?

[@commandar88]

@Benjamin J Park didn't see him attacking Islam - atleast intellectually. All his questions were adequately answered and ofcourse the answers could have went into muh more depth. Btw the caricature Dough made of God is the one used in Christianity. In Islam its much more robust and complete. We humans always discount the Wisdom of God and impose our limit in those abilities. Dough is harmless even if we know what he does with Christianity. Are you worried about Dough or are you his fan?

[@commandar88]

@Benjamin J Park well think about it. Humans aren't just an intellect entity, they also have a psychological aspect to them. Even for Dough, like any human, he can hold beliefs outside of reason and intellect. We humans always need more than just the intellectual arguments as that doesn't fulfill our spiritual desires. We arent robots so as much as Dough can try that angle he has to first account for being a human rather treat others as some robot where inputting some algorithm which will automatically start making people believe things

[@commandar88]

@Benjamin J Park Sometimes what we assume knowledge to be, is in real only the contemplation of man. The more this contemplation becomes consolidated with facts, the more it comes near to Truth, Wisdom. Therefore Wisdom can be considered the final stage of man’s contemplation. We aren't motivated into action by intellectual understanding but we're motivated into action by our beliefs. I.e smoking habits eventhough we know the negative effects of it If knowledge is information, wisdom is the understanding and application of that knowledge and insight is the awareness of the underlying essence of a truth. Sadly we can gain a lifetime of knowledge, yet never see the wisdom in it. We can be wise, but still miss the deeper meaning.

[@freeman7983]

ALLAH akbar! May ALLAH keep brother Edmard Z guided!

[@mdabulkhair2237]

10,000 people have watched the stream live but sadly only 1200 likes and only 17 dislikes. 8800 people actually did not, now its a bit hard to believe 8800 non muslims were watching, in that case there could have been many more dislikes but we do not see many. So rest of us Muslims shouldn't actually take this as just knowledge or entertainment opportunity rather its also an opportunity to share dawah by liking & sharing to support dawah. I was actually requesting all the viewers especially the Muslims who watches to like as these trigger the algorightm of youtube and recommend this stream to the individuals who may be interested in such discussion. As the intention is to spread the message the least we can do is liking and sharing. If anyone doesn't like the content then they even can hit the dislike button to share their view, its perfectly fine. If we carefully analyze; we can see a trend from last couple of months_ The streams whether it's Dawahwise, The perfect storm, The open forum(EFdawah), or The Arena of Hamza's den most of them are being viewed between 15-20k and 1.3-1.7k likes maximum. And if someone carefully observes the live chat we can see the same known brothers and sisters, mostly the Muslim regulars. Even if we look at our panel guests when Brothers are again and again saying priority to the non muslims but still we only see Frank, Kais jibrail, Terry, Floh and ppl like Adam along wiv our muslims brothers and sisters. This depicts the fact that streams aren't reaching to new people. Why? These brothers are working hard to create content but unfortunately we can not make best use of them and can not spread to masses. I myself first take the responsibility of such failure and i think we all should. Scdawah has more than 260 subs, Efdawah has more or less same but the reach is max 20k!!!! If we produce goods and cant market it properly it will remain in our own warehouse. Another thing i noticed previously when speakers corners arguments used to be uploaded, those used to get at least 200k views. That type of views surely helps to spread the message. But these brilliant peaceful converstaions aint crossing 20k. The main reason is those arguments were mainly 40 minutes to one hour long. But nowadays wen someone sees 4+ hours stream may be they don't click as it wouldn't be possible to finish whole streams. For this reason I've been trying to get attention of our dawah brothers with a suggestion. My suggestion is as soon as the stream ends, its better to take the stream off the channel, then cutting of each individual's argument and upload those. In this way one stream will at least produce 5-6 contents and perhaps we will hav 200k+ views like SpeakersCorner's videos. If we wanna see more and more sincere people like Tom stockdale then we gotta surely make this a habit to hit the like button as soon as we click to view. May be our one little action may take these streams to someone sincere which may lead to shahada by Allah's will. Jazakallahu khairun brothers and sisters. May Allah subhana wa ta'aala bless you brothers and sisters the best in dis dunya and hereafter...

[@halalpolice23]

I was actually surprised SubhanAllah. It’s great opportunity. May Allah swt guide them to Islam

[@hk5441]

I noticed when the stream reached 1000 likes it all of a sudden went down by 25-30 likes. I also noticed that on the efdawah stream. So this might be a youtube thing.

[@LADHA-z1l]

Brother Rob must be going through a storm, without the umbrella

[@halalpolice23]

1:34:58 this is why I love Ijaz 😂😂❤️

[@LADHA-z1l]

"We can go back to that point,if you want to"

[@zenebusman8575]

Aslaam aleykum sisters/brothers. 🖐

[@kadsaidi7384]

That Christian at the beginning "was no expert" in his own admission, about everything he's talked about 🤣🤣

[@iimiboy]

Aaron from the park at the end, how didn't hamza recognise him when he mauled him a few times already?

[@LADHA-z1l]

Amazing

[@mdshagor7762]

Brother asadullah ❤️

[@f1aziz]

Pinecreek questions with regards to floods sent to the nation of Prophet Noah stems from his conception of all loving God which is a Christian conception of God.

[@commandar88]

The panel didn't call him out on the perception of what other attributes Allah is known to have. I.e Wisdom of Allah etc.

[@user-pt6ug5ug3m]

The more you all talk, the more the faults and mistruths of your religion is being truely exposed. Keep up the good work.

[@HamzasDen]

What faults /mistruths🤔

[@user-pt6ug5ug3m]

Mohammed is a perfect human and the Quran is word perfect, the spoken word of Allah. As Islam is out of the middle eastern world now and there is minimal threats to critical investigation of it. The reams of the scriptures are being slowly revealed and shortcomings and contradictions are showing. More ex Muslims who are afraid for good reason of serious repercussions, are begining to speak out and explain thoroughly the scriptures.

[@hamzazulfi]

@@user-pt6ug5ug3m You didn't highlight or explain any faults.

[@user-pt6ug5ug3m]

@@hamzazulfi The claim of perfection is a big one made by Islam.

[@hamzazulfi]

@@user-pt6ug5ug3m What is perfection?

[@taimur74]

Asadullah’s smack down of Christian queen was hilarious 😂

[@AdrianMuslim]

Pinecreek should be on *Thought Adventure Podcast.*

[@AdrianMuslim]

@Benjamin J Park Problems?! He was the most civilized guy on the stream. They loved talking to him. Yousuf Ponders invited him on Thought Adventure Podcast. Check that channel out, brilliant philosophers there.

[@commandar88]

@Benjamin J Park its because Christianity doesn't have legs to stand on when their own doctrines aren't fully found in their bible. I.e. trinity Islam does not have that problem through its rich traditions in aqeedah, madhab, epistemology, philosophy etc.

[@AdrianMuslim]

@Benjamin J Park Those are perfect combinations to be a Muslim. Maybe not for other religions. And that's why he left Christianity. He's not playing with Islam and Muslims. He's just having conversation about God. He's unsure about it.

[@BilalKhan-hp2mc]

@Benjamin J Park I think you should get off your high horse there buddy, we are not christians and don’t have holes in our traditions like they do.

[@commandar88]

@Benjamin J Park um its literally you who bought Christianity to the discussion mate...what are you on about? Why mention Christianity only to ignore it all of a sudden

[@tariqrehman4748]

The way in which Hamza deals with Rob is Hilarious and should be in a sketch. May Allah guide Rob, because I think he is not a bad guy, he is just stupid and I try and say that with love to Rob.

[@commandar88]

What a stream. The audience can clearly say which guests were sincere and intellectually honest and the ones who were polar opposites. Any thoughts of who those guests are ?

[@halalpolice23]

We all know them them brother coz they always came back to just troll the live stream. You will see them, if you came back every live stream tbh. Came back next time, y will see it 😒

[@systemofcolorfulpills]

Even their tone of voices gave them away esp. James & C King.

[@catherine9808]

This was a brilliant stream and the atheist man reflects a character of God without even knowing humble patient and kind , perfect example why we as humans must NEVER judge anyone and why God Allah will be the ultimate judge , our role is to reflect our religion through our actions

[@AnswerEasy]

At minute 19:50 onward when the guy screamed like a banshee what really got me what Br Asadullah being totally unfased. I was like "Bro what did YOU see to not get fased by that?" xD Ma sha Allah