Handgun Disarm Technique For Self Defense - Timing

[@dude.0]

I tried this, now I have a hole in my head.

[@DaxCorsiar]

Ouch.... I hope your brain is doing fine.

[@danielvangerven]

So sad

[@dagothtendrem3740]

JoblessGuydotnet i have 5 holes in my head. two in the middle of my face. one on both sides of my head. and a GIANT hole in my lower fontal face. but my holes in my upper frontal face is covered by two balls thankfully :).

[@araknidude]

ok deadpool

[@SchmeatLord]

I might need this because kids in school are fucking crazy nowadays.

[@sampaa3108]

Agreed

[@Warrior]

Great feedback! Thanks for chiming in and leaving a comment!

[@Warrior]

@TRUTH707 Yeah...L1ONFIRE is right. This is more of a "concept" video so the...um..."chatter" is kind of necessary. You're more than welcome to comment on the concept of this self defense principle and your professional opinion on any of the videos is always appreciated, even should they disagree. Thanks! ~ Jeff

[@Warrior]

@mrcmacc - what? You can't think about when to strike when someone's pointing a gun at you? Let me answer this a different way... You'd damn well BETTER think about when to strike when some guy's pointing a gun at you! Timing is CRITICAL in executing a handgun disarm technique if you don't want to get shot. That's the whole point of this self defense video. Watch it again (and again - and again). I appreciate you commenting mrcmacc, but next time, please explain your opinion further, ok?

[@Uedukai]

The psychological tips are good. *HOWEVER*, this is all assuming the gunman won't order you from a distance, assuming that they will give direction with their gun movement, and assuming they don't have a partner/gang member, etc. There are a lot of unaccounted variants in this situation, and unless you are fully trained to handle this combat scenario then JUST GIVE THE GUNMAN YOUR DAMN WALLET. Trying this with no proper training will just get you killed.

[@penyalius]

***** Definitely should be stressed as an absolute last resort measure. De-escalation is almost always the right way to take if possible.

[@austinchilders4955]

+Aidan W The distance thing is easy just keep yelling what I cant hear you over and over until your in range

[@sammaxwell8362]

+Aidan W Criminal gunmen tend to be stupid and give you plenty of opportunity, if they were smart they wouldn't need to be criminal gunmen.

[@orlandomarchena4885]

Can I dubble like your advice?

[@Warrior]

@TheMacSan - you'll definitely find many schools of thought on handgun disarmament out there. While this self defense video isn't about the mechanics of how to disarm a gun, speed, leverage, and field of fire are paramount in whatever technique you decide to train with. I also advocate concealed carry (though my state feels otherwise). Why should gangbangers be the only ones with a gun? ;-) Thanks for commenting MacSan! ~ Jeff

[@TruSeek4life]

I've seen a lot of teachers and this guy is easily one of the smartest.

[@PleaseElaborate]

I get that. He's teaching more on situational assessment, but I still considered it worth hearing. Can't really complain when it's free. There were other videos that probably better deserved this comment. I just happened to be on this one when I got fed up with it all.

[@MrColdwarvet]

As long as he has the gun. He is in charge. Never underestimate your opponent. Never insult, demean, or talk above your opponent. Try not to show you are making too much eye contact with your hostage taker. Let the attacker vent without interupting. The more he vents, the more his aggression will be released. Empathise, do not sympathise. Do not make deals or promises with the hostage taker that you may not be able to deliver.

[@LunchBXcrue]

Hmm never thought about the whole brain being occupied while talking or doing something making them vulnerable

[@Yauzu16]

I love how you do alot of talking in your videos then do the actual defense. most of a fight is the mental aspect that cant be seen.

[@Warrior]

@masterweeds1 - Thanks for the feedback! Much appreciated!

[@TheEpicZombies]

I love how in all these videos, it is just the guy on the left being beat up time and again.

[@bushin64]

Great commentary. There is are so many videos on technique. This video really addresses an important part of the disarm that is often not discussed.

[@TecumsehSherman36]

HEY THAT WAS PRETTY SMART TO INCLUDE THE PSYCHOLOGY OF THE OPPORTUNE MOMENT WHEN TO ENGAGE A BAD GUY!!

[@Warrior]

@GlennFalconiVEVO - Would you like to explain your reasoning?

[@MySaviorservant]

i appreciate your videos. they bring up some good points. thank you

[@Martel4]

People like to debate these kind of things because it's smart to consider any faults in these theoretical techniques. You don't just blindly take the advice of two guys performing a SIMULATION. Every situation is different and you need to consider any possibilities.

[@kingofthehornets]

Excellent vid. I like the psycological aspect. With any of the training I've done and having to perform a disarm once while doing security work I never heard or thought of that. I look forward to seeing more of your stuff. Good presentation.

[@maxlocke3246]

Thank god somebody understands the psychology behind a successful disarm.. every situation is completely different which renders most stepped techniques worthless.

[@linkzellda]

People who use gun against the people who does not have, obviously a cowardly act from a miserable person.

[@tcrawford728]

Tell that to the cops at these protests

[@sockdolager3884]

You mean the cops in Dallas who were shot defending the protesters...

[@BradYaeger]

i really like this information and it reinforces what i have been taught and have read from other sources though not when it comes to handguns. in fact watch the movie "spartan", when he walks into a house full of bad guys and starts saying odd things. i teach my students to hit while talking. thanks for sharing, i plan to watch more of your videos. this worked for me in the classic " you throw the first punch !" exchange. to bad i had a poor follow up plan, live and learn..

[@luccabudija8616]

no it's not sad more or likely it's important to learn this. Learning how to protect yourself is not sad. even from a knife, protecting yourself is a useful skill.

[@djkid14567]

The only problem I see with this advice is that, perhaps the gunman does not have the same trigger discipline as the fellow you are working with in this video. If you attempt to disarm him with his finger on the trigger, he may (even accidentally) fire of a round; which, in turn, can hurt you or any bystanders. Other than that, great advice. Definitely subscribing.

[@playsomevidya]

That's a common misconception. If you have a firm enough grip on the cylinder, the gun physically cannot fire, since it has to rotate to fire the next bullet. Another alternative with a revolver is to obstruct the hammer from lifting back up with the trigger pull, as this too will prevent the gun from firing.

[@luccabudija8616]

there's always going to be fear but sometimes you have to choke it down to have courage and bravery "We have nothing to fear but fear itself" Teddy Roosevelt

[@psyco94550]

Good advice but psychology is more dominant in creating good timing than just techniques in my opinion. Asking questions while emulating a fearful tone opens up a pretty good window; not only distracting them while they form an answer but "massaging their ego" by showing fear puts them at ease in the sense that they feel that they have control over the situation and let their guard down. Maintain zen like patience and watch for eyes drifting out of contact while answered or relaxing muscles

[@XtremeConditions]

Problem is, he has a revolver and grabbing the gun by the cylinder is a surefire way to blow a chunk of your hand off, or a finger or two, off. In this case, you'd want to go more for his hand/wrist, which is going to be a little trickier.

[@reudas]

You can keep a revolver from discharging by seizing the cylinder and holding firmly. If the hammer has been drawn back, this will not work and you risk injury to your hand. If that's the case, it would be best to grab the weapon near the hand, and firmly apply pressure to the hammer, so that it cannot drop. I think this way would be easier to disarm than trying to go for the hand or wrist, because it still gives you good control of the weapon.

[@XtremeConditions]

Andrew, let's be honest with ourselves. In this situation, under extreme stress, you're not going to be accurate enough to specifically grab the cylinder and/or hammer perfectly, to ensure it won't go off. It's just not gonna' happen, I promise you.

[@slimshady5757]

+XtremeConditioning If they're not satisfied with the wallet (wants to do something heinous), could you duck under at an angle and trip him up, then run in unpredictable patterns? For someone like me who's a wrestler and can run an 800 meter in 2 min 20 sec, would this be worth practicing?

[@XtremeConditions]

Slim Shady I mean, honestly anything that could reasonable help should maybe be practiced. Like, don't devote your life to training for being victimized, but you need to do whatever is necessary to survive. I'm definitely not an expert at any of this. trying to grab a gun out of someone's hand without training is a shit proposition, but they may shoot you, they may not... Do you take your chances and hope they're satisfied with robbing you? Maybe. Do you try to make a move? Maybe... It's a tough decision, and you'll have to make it if it ever happens. Your method could get you shot in the head, as could any other method for these situation... To be honest, I would say to practice this in real life with an airsoft gun or something. As an example with the disarm, have a friend point an unloaded airsoft at you, and tell them to expect you to try and take it, and to be mentally prepared. And if they can do it fast enough, try to pull the trigger when you reach. I still think going for that gun is your best bet, if they're in range, but again, it's all a gamble, and you're in a shit situation on way or another. :(

[@nightrider1850]

You'll fight the way you've trained. If you've trained to disable a revolver this way you'll do it without much hesitation or reflecting if the opportunity presents itself. That's the reason for training and practice. If he's/she's close enough and you really think you're going to be shot go for it, what have you really got to lose? If you've trained and practiced as many dissarms as you can you just might make it

[@666Misery666]

Very good point explained and displayed.

[@mushindoryu1]

good avise this help better undestand my gun disarms thanks

[@raymondhollingsworth3643]

Best thing to study, Gutterfighting and the book by Col. Rex Applegate's book Kill or Get Killed.

[@159Fender159]

I remember seeing somewhere of a similar technique. So you're getting mugged and the guy asks you for your wallet. You pull it out and toss it at him. You don't hand it over. You toss it. Preferably as shodilly as possible. So his reaction will be to catch it. That's when you go for it.

[@AlphaDad]

If you grab the cylinder of a revolver it will not go off because it will not rotate. If you don't grab well enough though, you are correct

[@Barskor1]

And this is why you do not stick your gun out at a person at close range but keep it at your hip or close to chest to clear obstacles so there is two or three times the distance to reach for the weapon and Don't plant your feet you want to float and shift to avoid a lunge or strike.

[@PleaseElaborate]

Can't say I disagree with that logic. But that's where practice comes in. I'm just browsing youtube to see if there's anything that looks worth a try. I got friends to practice with.

[@TheChaves11b]

Very informative-5 stars!!

[@vincegredo]

that criminal is using a revolver with the hammer in the un - cocked position, therefore in order to fire it, a double action trigger pull would be in need of utilization. A trigger pull which in fact, takes a significantly larger amount of strength and effort to effectivly fire within that split second of time that the assailant has to react to your dissarm.

[@Baphemot]

This is definitely something everybody should know how to do. Remember ONLY fight back if you HAVE TO. Im NO expert, but i have experienced it. Consider that the the gun will NOT be that close to you, and that the gun WILL move. So its HARDER and you need more time. Try to keep calm, and don´t let the right moment pass. I couldn´t get to the barrel in time, I got to his forearm. Got shot at the arm, and while fighting with him got shot 2 inches away from my spleen. YOU ONLY HAVE ONE CHANCE

[@caring4soul]

how many actual/real street or professional fighting did you have? 1 on1 ,2 on one ,3 on one? knives attack? gun pointed at you? how many real fight punches have you actually took? cut on hands?broken arcade?broken bone? if you havent you really cant prepare yourself for the adrenaline rush that comes when the fight starts or when the blood begins to flow. you become uncontrolable by anyone including yourself adrenaline control and actual experience(real fight) is an very important factor,my2c

[@TheMaverickjc29]

You also need SNAKE in here to train with you GUYS!!! He really is the master of CQC. Good videos I will be checking them, this might come in handy... Keep going with the job, do not even bother with the other people, I have trained all my life martial arts and anything is certain in a real life, but this is better than nothing and I am sure the people that complain have never even gone to train nothing and do not know what it takes, CONGRATS

[@Warrior]

@leapingcat - Even though your input is unprofessional, I'm willing to school you a little bit here... Pulling a trigger takes conscious thought and action (aside from an accidental pull from flinching or poor handgun disarm). It's not about "reading his mind" - it's about how the brain functions. It's incapable of consciously enacting split second timing on thought/speech and trigger pull in the split second that you perform your handgun disarm. Think about it and you'll realize it's true

[@SadiqMadison]

The best thing about this video is the psyche breakdown. That was great. He honestly didn't even disarm the guy. Also his move was kind of telegraphed which is a great way to get shot. Great intentions but horrible technique.

[@texascommtech]

I am curious to know how one would handle this same exact scenario if the victim looked at the gun and noticed that the hammer was back, and the perp's finger was on the trigger. Outstanding comment by PleaseElaborate.

[@Warrior]

@GlennFalconiVEVO - No offense taken. Just looking for valuable conversation around these handgun disarm techniques. That being said...when it comes to street fighting, nothing is 100%. But when it comes to handgun disarms, timing is crticial. Your options are to not attempt a disarm and hope for the best, or go for the disarm if you must. If you must disarm, "trigger happy" shots can happen by mistake and his flinch. But if you time right (like this video), your chances are much better.

[@TENNESSEETRACKHAWK]

the much better and far more simple approach is to simply look behind you as tho someone is there and say "Were fine thanx". at that point he now thinks someone is behind him. if u time it right u will disarm him every time cause the mind cannot do two things at once. Action will ALWAYS beat reaction. and depending on where the gun is in relation to ur head will dictate which disarming procedure u will implore.

[@NotElmerKeith]

Thanks for the advise. very logical.

[@dufondutrou]

furthermore if you can"t anticipate and read your opponent intentions then you have lost this round but not your life. If you can anticipate.... move toward the assaillant with your hands crossed, wrist over wrist or forearm in front of you pointing down before his weight come on the front leg and lock the armed hand in between your crossed over hand while redirecting his push to the opposite side of the armed arm and the uplitf movement of disarming him will follow almost instinctly

[@Ryan_In_Tokyo]

i guess i dont really know, but my instructor told me to grab the cylander and move it slightly sideways so no bullet can go through the barrel. also to pull back the slide of a handgun to prevent that from shooting. i guess he was wrong

[@ffryan]

To re-emphasize your point, Sgt Dennis Tueller of the Salt Lake City Police determined that an attacker could travel 21 feet in 1.5 seconds. He wrote an article citing it in the March 1983 edition of SWAT magazine. Massad Ayoob has cited it numerous times and duplicated the results in his training.

[@Daironsmith]

maybe the second they draw the weapon, turn the corner, ect. you disarm them on contact. if your at a 10ft or farther distance and no loved ones is around, running is a option.

[@LucusMarshall]

This video is about timing not anything else. This is about when the best time will be to strike without getting shot. But yes you will get shot if you wait for him to wave his gun at a good distance.

[@Warrior]

@Southpark124 - As soon as you have some sort of cover (like a car next to you), then insert a psychological "break state" by asking him something that makes no sense whatsoever (like "how many udders does a cow have?") I know it sounds stupid...but his brain says "WTF?". Then run like hell, using cover to get as much distance as possible. Even a relaxed shooter aiming at a target can't hit very well from up close. An adrenalized felon is an even worse shooter.

[@Martel4]

I like the DVD "How To Defeat Larger Attackers." It makes me think that big guys have DVDs titled "How To Defeat Smaller Attackers." Which DVD would win? lol

[@PleaseElaborate]

It is fortunate, then, that you are a far better gunman than your average street criminal.

[@Antithropocentric]

@BlindPacemaker, that's simplistic armchair-quarterback analysis. There are any number of situations where the gun-wielder is nervous and doesn't necessarily have a plan. This video is just a general concept of what to do if a certain situation arises. Obviously if the gunman is too far away to grab, etc., this wouldn't be useful. One of the best bets is to simply run away if you get a window of opportunity. Same with a knife fight scenario, which tends to be lose-lose.

[@dellolio88]

good video and i love being on the top I'm a control freak

[@RenoG4]

The safest way to carry out a Disarm is to fake out your attacker by looking over there shoulder and making a slightly surprised face increases your chances 10 fold every time.

[@youfool8181]

one Q for yea, neat video by the way, Where should I be looking to recognize that this guy can be fooled. Do I maintain eye contact? Is it total peripheral that give a hint to move? Obviously if he swings his arms and looks to where he wants you to move and you have some skill you got him within close proximity, But I guess in general where do you look at an assailant

[@210arun]

grabbing that revolver like that will still mess up your hand if the trigger is pulled because all the pressure escapes through the sides

[@robertoesalgado]

In south America they keep a distance when they're pointing a gun at you..... They are like 5 feet away while aiming the gun at you.... And there usually like 4 robbers at the same time

[@berengerdietiker22]

I'd prefer an approach in which the defendant bypasses the weapon altogether and disables the bad guy. It's not so much the tool that's dangerous, but the intentions of the wielder.

[@Victoria-bq2oz]

Can you show us how to discharge a revolver?? Please !! And thank you

[@mogges1]

Even still all he has to do is drop down.and the weapon will come in line to fire.Thats the other problem line of fire. even though you have taken yourself out of the line of fire. who ever is standing around and the attacker pulls trigger now you in a thrid party shooting.Dealing with Fire arms is a tricky thing.

[@rcaba09]

well also you can use the old trick of "the safety is on" when he looks at the wepon go for it and maby try to kick his stomach (leaving him without air) when your in controle try to escape because if you stay he might do the same or worse :/

[@deanpatton115]

when you fire a revolver gas escapes from a small gap between the cylinder and the barrel, not as much from the muzzle but still enough to fuck up your hand. :)

[@TheHypnoTurtle]

Since it's a revolver if he shoots while you push the gun away you're going to pull away since the ignition of the bullet will hurt your hand.

[@eddiekilby6936]

Any body that stands right up on someone with a handgun deserves to have it taken away from them.

[@L1ONFIRE]

@TRUTH707 but thats the point. its telling you what to think in that situation. and how to execute.

[@PleaseElaborate]

I get that. I'm not saying people should try it every time, and certainly not in a simple give-me-your-wallet situation. No technique is legitimate unless it's put to use under the right circumstance. Unfortunately, the option to not get shot is not always given. Many gangs are keen on the theatrical and favor an execution style of killing. It's stupid of them, I know, but it leaves opportunities open for disarms. Also, there are times when it's worth it to risk one's life to protect something.

[@stmcmillan]

between the upper lip and eyebrow hits the Medulla and pons= instant shut down not even able to pull the trigger. But gotta have some skillz to execute that shot!

[@Warrior]

@ivegotamnesia - I'm thinking you really do have amnesia. You're asking "who grabs the gun with 2 hands" but are claiming krav maga is better? I train in Krav Maga and we use two hands for disarms. The point is that you must know how to use 1 and 2 hands for your disarms. 2 hands gives you leverage to disarm the gun and have control to clear and lock on target. But there are also methods for 1 hand "push and strike" moves. Finally, as you twist the gun, you ARE out of the line of fire.

[@kgonzales8592]

the way is don't stop talking to the person who wants to shoot to you and then that you can disarm that guy whatever style you want

[@tiffsaver]

@GlennFalconiVEVO I think there are two critical factors in place here... first, if the gunman is a professional, you're already dead. But in most cases, common street thugs and drug addicts are not trained killers, giving a well prepared person an distinct advantage. The first and best thing to do when confronted with an armed assailant is immediately give them anything they want. But when no other viable option is present, I'd rather have some form of disarming knowledge than none at all.

[@Southpark124]

What if he is a good distance away from you? Such as like 7-10 feet, and then pointing you where you need to go? If you go after him then he will figure out you are trying to retaliate...

[@alwyndixon]

We used real handguns (revolver and automatic), I do still have both of my hands although as I said, it was bruised quite extensively

[@thebardock6785]

But what about somebody who knows how to hold a hand gun properly

[@PleaseElaborate]

Again, agree to disagree. I recognize the potential need to disarm an assailant who has a handgun, you don't. But the whole point of my original post is that I'm tired of arguing about it. It'd be one thing if it were a healthy discussion, but most of what I get in these forums is strong language and amateur opinions. If you really feel the need to discuss this issue, please do so somewhere else. I'm not here to argue the validity of disarm techniques.

[@emiller0098]

not a bad technique. we at krav maga and muay boran practice with airsoft guns. alot. it works

[@thebird4077]

literally showed me nothing i wanted to know. lol

[@failedfishermanBC]

But definitely something you needed to know.

[@thebird4077]

Touché

[@lukeizze]

I know if i've got a gun, i wouldnt be standing with that close proximity...

[@Elmo1970A]

I still don't understand what you are saying about grabbing the cylinder. My S&W .357 revolver, you can grab the cylinder all you want but if I pull the trigger it's going to go off?? And if your hand is on the cylinder, especially near the front where the barrel starts, you will lose some flesh.

[@TheMacSan]

@cjrush1009 No school of thought is exactly the same on close muggings. I learned "pull the weapon-arm to safe direction, followed by joint manipulation. Wrist strength and practice are paramount." But I wholly advocate concealed firearm carrying. Because hand-to-hand and non-cowardice are becoming antique. (Tragedy.)

[@AssassinDatAzz]

he never really grabbed the cylinder if you look. i understand he did forget to mention it though.

[@PleaseElaborate]

Incidentally, my 'not waste comment space' comment wasn't aimed at you. It was aimed at youtube in general, myself probably included. I didn't mean to cause offense.

[@kingkong9700]

Being bigger does have an advantage most of the time

[@gwidao123]

Nice one, going for the grab right around the barrel of a revolver, clearly you will not need your hand or fingers to do anything right after grabbing the gun right?

[@markvernout3157]

+gwidao123 Although I know that they could have used a semi-auto pistol as well or any other type of weapon. With the revolver, when trying to disarm someone you always make sure that you try and put your hand or a finger in front of the hammer to prevent it being fired while disarming.

[@gwidao123]

Exactly! It migh give you a deep bruise or quite a cut, but at least that revolver will SURELY not fire the first round. You should always aim for the second half of the gun to hold when disarming, doesn't matter the gun. That way you can't go wrong in either scenario, trying to hold the backside of the gun while holding part of the attackers thumb and hand at the same time maximizes your chances of succeeding.

[@pinedasentertainment2418]

hell no this might be a good strategy but i wouldnt even mess with him

[@pinkymixology]

I've never held a pistol with 1 hand. I've always held it with 2 hands. and although I've never pointed my gun at another person, if I was going to do that, I would stand at least 9 feet away.

[@never_andy]

The thing is I don't point the gun unless I'm going to shoot. If you see my gun pointed at you its to late to stop me.

[@pbrio0016070884]

Additionally, I am only the aggressor if the threat/attacker flees and I pursue. At that point I become the aggressor. Otherwise, use of force (including shooting them) to stop the threat (whether they have a weapon or not) is legal and justifiable. But, on that same note, DO NOT TALK TO THE COPS!!!!!! The only thing you should say to the police after defending yourself is "I feared for my life. I had to defend myself. I wish to speak with an attorney." Even if you're the victim, demand a lawyer

[@alloy299]

How are you supposed to disarm a revolver without getting your hand blown if he fires?

[@weaponslegend]

What about a multi-tasking attacker? Am I screwed?

[@OlePViBEMusic]

"alright move over dere"

[@AntmanStrengthFitness]

yeah not in every situation the gunman will be giving you a direction, sometimes u have to know when the right moment is, its risky no matter if you are a pro

[@MegaTwist13]

If you do it,it might leave you in so much excruciating pain you'd forget about trying to attack him and then it will destroy your ability to live Lesson: don't screw up or you're screwed :3

[@SammyDiversified]

lmaoo the guy in the black, is he ok ??!!

[@scheissekopf92]

@usArrr3 but the idea is to move it away, but if your choice spot to grab it is the cylinder you're gonna have a bad time

[@mathew633man]

remember finger moves faster than your body

[@PleaseElaborate]

By that logic, it sounds like you're saying that a person should wait until they are actually harmed before attempting to remove a threat (Which is sadly a legitimate claim if you're going by the American legal system). But if someone is pointing a gun at me and I have even the slightest fear that they mean to shoot me, I will take whatever action is necessary to end that threat to my life. Courtroom banter be darned. I understand where you're coming from, but I'd rather be in jail than dead.