Hands-On: Primal Rights PrimeWhere Depth Checker

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Primal Rights’ new PrimeWhere Depth Checker will help you get an accurate measurement of primer seating depth - no more guessing! This pairs nicely with the Primal Rights Competition Primer Seater.
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[@Ultimatereloader]

The PrimeWhere is available here! www.primalrights.com/store/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=157

[@hugoletkeman7049]

Accuracy One primer pocket gauge does the same job for 1/3 the price

[@ewathoughts8476]

Primers out of the box are not all the same height, and showing just one is misleading. Case rims are not all the same thickness even within the same lot, so unless the priming tool uses something other that the extractor rim as a measurement datum the priming tool will not set the primers to an even seating depth. These seem to be a toys instead of tools. The plunger doing the seating needs a stop shoulder that rises along with the ram. The stop shoulder sets the seating depth and usually the adjustment is done with shims. Even if you can set a seating depth accurately, some primers would be crushed more than others.

[@MrBoostin18]

Didn’t even think about that. But im sure plenty of people will argue that they are all the same height.

[@linkbond08]

I have a Lee classic loader, I literally resize the neck, and hammer my primers in with a rubber mallet, before I weigh every charge, and I print leaf clovers at 100, and rabbits at 300. I don't know who this is for, but for all that measuring and accurizing they should be hitting quarters beyond the horizon.

[@josephbhumphrey]

I’d like to see a follow up testing what this means for consistency / SD / Velocity between measuring “accuracy” down range and how this can help. Or hinder.

[@HockeyDad6631]

There is always more than one way to do a particular job. Some are better/easier than others. I have the CPS Priming tool and it's amazing. BY FAR the best tool Ive used for that job, and I've tried a few various tools over the past 25 years. I don't have the depth checker yet but will be getting one soon.

[@rvrski1]

Haven’t seen any data that justify’s the primal rights gouge. In fact, there’s plenty from BL from AB and others that debunks the primer grift.

[@linkbond08]

With my Lee classic loader, and a rubber mallet I only have one depth and it's called "flush". Leaf clovers are 100 no problem. Somebody's gotta make money from those who are too stupid to part with it.

[@evoevil124]

I have the Accuracy One depth checker, which I use a lot. Greg stated the "cutting" brass would destroy it. But this way, every primer and pocket would need to be measured. I get a average on both and do 2 to 4k crush. I shoot PRS and I average .25 MOA. I like the primer seater but 650 is just crazy. I have used a RCBS bench mounted primer for 20+ years, My groups got better from trigger time and a better rifle setup. This seems to be a setup for "Toppers". but I wish the best for people that can afford it .... money and time. Do like your reviews

[@rickhadsall]

Recently I discovered the differences in primer seating depth. In the interest of uniformity and consistency in reloads I purchased a Harbor Freight guage and 3D printed an adapter to manually test for proper seating depth. These bench models you showed in this video work similarly. I never even knew that this tool was available or I would not have gone through the trouble of making my own. Thanks for the explanation and demonstration of its use.

[@nilescoyote4829]

Are there any tools to measure the primer pocket depth in relation to the inside edge of the case rim? Considering that the CPS indexes on the inside edge of the rim, any variation there will directly impac thet primers final depth.

[@davidsalsedo8389]

Great review Gavin, I do believe that the Primal Rights seater and measuring device is very important and will confirm what reloaders haven't known for a very long time. Affordable? no, but buy once cry once is the right way of thinking here. Keep it up G man!!

[@haraldkirschner5087]

Does it make a difference in shooting accuracy?

[@thompsonjerry3412]

If there are no primers in the forest, did it get seated and can you measure the depth?

[@anamericanpatriot5230]

that is a nice tool setup but for over 4 decades I just use a caliper to measure pocket depth and then measure pimer height and verify again with caliper . it has worked perfectly for me for over 43 years but I'd still like to have this tool setup .

[@perdidocamaronero5400]

I bought one of Greg's early models of the CPS. CPS Lite, they mounted in a standard press 7/8x14 threads and I have punched in thousands of primers with it. As soon as I got it I built a primer pocket measuring tool similar to a PrimeWhere both digital and dial versions. I wouldn't mind having an upgrade CPS they are great for high volume priming the Lite version is a little more difficult to adjust and are no longer available. I did some mods on mine to make it easier to adjust. The PrimeWhere is a substantial amount but what nowadays isn't?

[@TexasLeverGunner]

98% of shooters will never need this, and there isn't enough data out there to prove this is even necessary.

[@TMS5100]

enough data? is there ANY data that shows it's needed? i'm guessing no.

[@TexasLeverGunner]

@@TMS5100 Nope, not really.

[@MrBoostin18]

@@TMS5100 there’s no data and won’t be. Because if you put the data out there people won’t spend the money for these over priced expensive gadgets.

[@charlesmullins3238]

CWD…..Competition Wallet Drainer…✌🏻

[@scottroberts5554]

I couldn't think of a single person that would need this, including myself!

[@corbinschad1]

I don't get it. All you do is push it in until it bottoms out. Why are we measuring a hard stop? Can some people really not feel when they bottom out a primer? Solution looking for a problem here.

[@sf2189]

One thing you missed, and a great reason to get the more expensive version, is the app that keeps a log of measurements. Plus its easier to look at an iPhone than looking down at a dial that is perpendicular to your bench.

[@shanegadberry1037]

Just wondering, do you have any reload information for 9 mm carbine rifles? I’m using my pistol reloads. I don’t know if they be something better to load for a carbine or does it matter

[@Moraprecisionreloader]

Had problems when I loaded up some 223 rem didn't pushed the primer in deep enough just not pass flush ,loaded the first round in didn't the carrier did locked up and try to push it in with push button couldn't and then try to put it out couldn't either, what mess because the primer was right, would of been a dead soldier

[@trevorj.8401]

Awesome as always Gavin!! Can't explain how great these videos are! I'd like to hear your thoughts on what's your favorite inch lbs torque wrench is.

[@forthe_mark]

Look guys.... Gavin needs to pay his bills and the mortgage on his sick shop. He's just doing so by making high quality advertisements for products that are useless.

[@mrocksalt]

You guys kill me, I haven’t seen large primers for sale in two years. Where the hell are the primers? You guys must have bought a million primers back when they were cheap.

[@pstewart5443]

I've got the digital version with the base, and it simply won't hold the micrometer across measuring 10 cases. The base was a waste of money for me. It's definitely helped me get consistent seating depth, and able to separate my cases based on that seating depth since that affects ignition timing. I just wish he'd made the block holding clamp with a deeper set of clamps so it would accommodate the thicker digital indicator and a mounting wings on the base.

[@snowman3219]

Unless you are a world class competitor don’t bother. No real world gain over just good consistent seating depth.

[@Mweaver1993]

Why would a primer be seated anything but fully?

[@graynotescartridgebox]

Snake oil salesman with a solution looking for a problem. A fool and his money….

[@Area_051]

to those who take advantage of those who do not know. a piece of aluminum and a digital caliper measures the same lol 5.- good video the product is simply intended for the wallet not precision, Primal in terms of price tries to match apple hahaha 🤣

[@joshuagibson2520]

Bingo!

[@MrBoostin18]

Another $600 thing that is not needed. The prime where, and competition primer seater is not needed. The lee bench primer does just as good. Hell my $60 rcbs universal hand primer does just as good.

[@HockeyDad6631]

Why pay extra for ribeye steak when McDonalds will sell you a cheeseburger for $1.99? Using your logic, ribeye's are not needed because I can buy cow meat cheaper from McDonalds. Does the RCBS get the job done? Yes. Is the CPS WAY WAY better? Also yes. If it was the same price as the RCBS, 100 out of 100 people would pick the Primal Rights tool. So the real question: is it worth $600? That's a personal question for each individual to answer for themselves. I have one and have no regrets on the cost. But make no mistake it IS the ribeye to McDonalds dollar menu greaseball burger.

[@Sam-ix9gd]

K&M tool works better for hunting quantities of ammo.

[@BigRob345]

Gavin you make great videos, but Greg Dykstra of Primal Rights is nothing about budget! The Primal Right primer and Prime where set up is $800+ His philosophy is if you don't listen to him your wrong, because he knows best! Just ask him he will tell you

[@MrBoostin18]

The prime where with all the adapters and crap needed for every caliber is 600. The competition seater is another 600. That’s 1200 unless they’ve made a package deal for both.

[@BigRob345]

@@MrBoostin18 according to his website, he has increased the price on the CPS Primer to $650

[@MrBoostin18]

@@BigRob345 damn. So now 1250-1300 for the 2 units.

[@graynotescartridgebox]

Agree on your assessment of the man.

[@quintonbeyer9066]

Sounds just like the $1,275 Area 419 Zero turret press. Or the Henderson Precision $779 Precision Case Trimmer. Critical tools - you can’t be competitive without them. Trust the manufacturer - you REALLY need them.

[@sniperjoe]

I love innovative companies but holy crap this guy makes you pay for it... to have this thing tricked out is about 750-1000$ depending on his collets

[@TheFlanman10]

Yeah this is where you start seeing the least return on your buck right here. Per dollar spent the improvement on consistency for primer depth is not nearly that of a set of Redding type S dies or a good press. Last time I checked we were going into a recession. If you have the cash go for it... but this just doesn't make any damn sense. Especially the 3d printed ones.

[@robinireland810]

To be honest, I’ve got better things to do with my life than go through all that, just to seat a primer. I’ve yet to add “I missed because my primers were a thou off the optimum seating depth” to the 12 Volume epic, “The Bumper Book of Excuses” (now available in Braile). My Mk1 digits attached to my palms are super accurate and consistent at feeling how well my primers are seated, so I’ll carry on with my ever faithful Lee and Hornady hand priming tools; they’ve never let me down.

[@michaelficarro2591]

Agreed, it doesn't make a bit of difference...

[@category-theory]

I’m all for precision and testing and the like but (and I don’t know) this seems silly to me….

[@kuronyan3006Ackley]

👍💪🧐😄

[@adeniranm7647]

Yikes! I like the idea of removing variables, but how tedious! I wonder how big of a market there is for this tool and how any serious shooter would incorporate such a process into their workflow. I can't imagine many, but maybe I'm missing or overlooking something.

[@adeniranm7647]

Forgot to mention, the digital setup is $750, with only one collar (they are $25 for each additional caliber), before taxes/shipping/fees. I'm having a hard time seeing the value at this point.

[@kriszml]

Not even 5 seconds in the video yet and I already know this is an expensive gear

[@DrEvil74]

Yeah, nah, sorry. This solves no problems other than how to extract the most amount of funds from the pockets of rubes and transfer those funds to Primal Rights. I want to see one reputable channel shoot various benchrest disciplines and see what difference is made between varying primer heights. Then use a cheap Lee Autoprime or an RCBS universal hand primer and compare results. I've been reloading ever more accurate ammo for 23 years and this is some serious snake-oil case lube to be carried in my carpet reloading bag. What say you Gav ? Will you take the Pepsi Challenge ?

[@josephjulian2503]

Ok, it's a slick instrument. But the asking price is absolutely obscene. Period. You can buy a Chinese depth mic for a fraction of the cost and be just as accurate. Or just use the caliper already on the bench and be accurate enough.

[@joer3198]

Your comment is a great example on why american industry has fallen. Just go buy crappy products from communist China made by slaves.

[@Chuck_Carolina]

I never knew seating a primer was that difficult

[@PhuVet]

It's not

[@091379jp1]

Having to spend 25$ more for each case change is bs. I hate when companies make you spend more to use their product.

[@gerrankeith9746]

What a pointless gadget.

[@AFOPatches]

This seems completely unnecessary lmao

[@jimjones-mz1wh]

Really! Your going to compare this guys products to a.m.p. wow. Thats a very insulting thing to do to a.m.p.

[@PhuVet]

Another piece of worthless bench clutter.

[@jimjones-mz1wh]

More propaganda that primal rights guy is the ultimate resource for accuracy. More outrageously priced equipment that really does nothing that many other much less expensive equipment will do. But if you ever watch his videos you would know that he is all knowing all mighty ammo loader. He has even gone so far as to say that if you don't agree with him or have your own opinion that you will be banned from his comment section! I'm no mental health professional but that sounds like a cry for help. Primal mentality.

[@trg3761]

Id need to be retired to have the time to use this. its like opening pandora's box for a whole new set of problems. i think you'd be constantly adjusting the primer seater tool for variations in brass primer depth anomalies. I think time invested would out weight the benefits for me anyways. being Its aimed at bench rest F class shooters. For me the biggest gain was when i switched to mandrels for neck sizing.