Hands on the ML10X - Unlocking New Possibilities

[@MorningstarEngineering]

Discover ML10X: www.morningstar.io/ml10x

[@alisabbagh8242]

OMG... this is litterally what I have been looking for forever. Missed the initial release. waiting on second run.

[@plingubus]

awesome! The best switcher I've seen so far! I think there's only 2 features missing to make it perfect for me: 1.: frequency splits (split into 2 paths at a specific frequency, so you can for example keep the lows clean and fat and distort the highs) 2.: blend option for each block (so that you can chose, how much of the connected pedal should be added to the signal. This would be great to have one solid constant sound base with different amounts of distortions)

[@vazdaqui8513]

It cant split frequencies, its a digitally controlled relay Box

[@jaakkokunnas]

This is hands down the most conclusive info video on any device. All questions were answered at the same exact minute they arose in my mind. Off to fetch a USB-C cable and do some programming.

[@frankdamico9640]

You guys kill it so hard. Way to deliver

[@JRP3music]

I really would like to hear it action. I am mostly interested in controlling my stereo fx. This has been exactly what I have been looking for.

[@KeniWilliams]

Im so excited, Ive ordered both the ML5 and ML10X! awaiting delivery tomorrow! The Morningstar eco system is not only innovative but hugely affordable! Im tempted to buy another ML10X! OH! and commenting about the video. In music school I learnt a good saying which works great for TRS / Inserts and various other cable configs... :) (TRS) -> (OTHER ENDS) RING -> RIGHT RED -> RETURN

[@JRP3music]

This exactly what I have been looking for my rig. I want to run 2 delays in parallel for some sounds and back into series for other sounds. I use my Eventide Pitch Factor for a additional delays sometimes. I have micropitch without delay and other pitchbasd presets. This Morningstar ML10X is exactly what I need. I only need it for my stereo section of my board. I could rackmount the stereo fx with the ML10X and utilize my Rocktron MIDIMATE controller. Patch in my Rack FX in the loop bay. I am very excited by this product.

[@reallyniceaudio]

As I look down to my guitar pedal board I have ten pedals........great job guys looks great!

[@99Poolnoodles]

Are they any more vids coming on on the ML10x?? It's been out for 2 years and there are only 2 or 3 short vids from you guys.

[@theanalogkidmodular]

Super cool product, I don't have nearly enough pedals to have the need for this but if I had them I'd seriously consider getting one. The only thing that is really odd to me is the jack placement with that snaking pattern. Could have had In and all Returns in the top row and Out and all the Sends in the bottom row so it'd be easy in a pinch to swap things without having to look at the back panel (e.g. second row of jacks is Send / Return Loop A).

[@Muffincruffin]

You should should do a video with showing how many possibilities are unlocked with the ML10X and a H9. Pitch Shifting at the front of your overdrive chain, Trem/Chorus before or after an amp sim, Delays/Reverb in parallel.

[@MorningstarEngineering]

That would be awesome. Thanks for the idea. So many videos to make!

[@Muffincruffin]

Is there something where we can use one of the Loop sends for the Dry line of a Wet/Dry/Wet set-up? 🤔

[@MorningstarEngineering]

@@Muffincruffin Hi, yes you sure can. Each loop send can also be used as an output. The flexibility is yours

[@EntropicSpore]

@@MorningstarEngineering where can I get one? Trying to buy and it looks sold out

[@MorningstarEngineering]

@@EntropicSpore Hi. You can purchase directly from us: www.morningstar.io/

[@SFV4]

Thanks for this device! Exactly what I hoped you would create!

[@PhearNoneGearGadgets]

Wow is right. This can really clean up tone! I might have to get this.

[@cfibanez]

Awesome! I need one... NOW!

[@KunchangLeeMusic]

Any updates on the the mc6 pro ?

[@Sperzel]

Complete game changing product!

[@glenspardello]

ES killer… builds on what was so great about the ML5.

[@maxmartinelli1975]

Great product! But it would be nice to have (in advanced mode) the possibility to set up the gain (or better, gain reduction) of the different signal path (like the SoundSculpture Switchblade does).

[@roscius6204]

That would make it quite a different product. Cost and size Maybe consider a midi pedal that suits the job in your chain. I use a Compadre and a Riverside as part of an ES8 board in that way. Both can add or subtract gain, placed in parallel into various mods and delays is pretty fun. I'm keen on adding the ML10X , the routing options should be amazing..

[@MorningstarEngineering]

Hi. We answer your question in the FAQs here: manuals.morningstar.io/ml10x/faq

[@youscreamiscream]

@@MorningstarEngineering are the loops isolated?

[@mod2tvf]

Would like to see how you configure multiple Stereo Pedals in parallel with the ML10X

[@theBejourn]

When will we get those additional wet dry wet and dirt videos! I absolutely love what I am seeing and I hope this is for me.

[@MorningstarEngineering]

Thanks for the reminder! That video got put on the back burner as we prioritized others. We'll start filming and aim to release the video within a month from now.

[@theBejourn]

@@MorningstarEngineering I appreciate the reply! You guys have been very busy these last few months! I look forward to its release!

[@Banoffeeee]

Looking forward to your wet dry wet set up explanation:)

[@thegallantsaint2034]

Morningstar. I like the name 😉 God bless 🙏

[@HenryMittnacht]

You could have mentioned that if you´re running the 4cm you can use input and output jackets in combination with your dedicated stereo split cable to be able to use your fx either in front of your amp and time based fx in your fx loop WITHOUT sacrificing a loop for that like in most other looper! That is also a great feauture on the ML 10x.

[@MorningstarEngineering]

You are absolutely right!

[@felipealonso8409]

Marvelous

[@isaacanthonydj4124]

this is dope. i do similar with an iConnectivity Audio4 i wish it had more i/o but it also allows m to use my iPhone...

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

Super interesting product

[@Rokku16]

Could you make a video on how to combine it with the eventide h90

[@frequencymanipulator]

This is most interesting to me.

[@martinWross]

Hey guys, super video - this means you could potentially split parallel signal chains to 2 different outputs ?

[@MorningstarEngineering]

Yes, you most definitely can. We demonstrated that in this latest ML10X video too: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fIvbgHWZjdudkMksi=5NB-YDkAqgC4EXsS

[@humanoidfa]

@MorningstarEngineering Is it possible to have stereo pedal summed into one side of the output and another stereo pedal summed into the other side of the output?

[@josephlara2339]

the future is looking good

[@paulsharp5473]

Thanks for the video…..I just received my ml10 but to connect with splitters is about as clear as mud.

[@MorningstarEngineering]

Hi. It is stated on the product page (www.morningstar.io/store/ML10X-p478657752) that splitter cables are sold separately, and are required if you want to use stereo loops or split each loop into two mono loops.

[@Yarbro45]

In simple mode, I find the two lines for Input Tip connection and Input Ring very confusing. I have tried searching all the available resources provided by Morningstar to understand the significance of these two options, and have not been able to figure this out. This video touches very briefly on this, but basically dismisses the Input Ring as something the user doesn't need to worry about. Could you please provide more, clear information on this? Thank you.

[@MorningstarEngineering]

Hi. With a Simple preset, you do not need to bother with the input ring unless you have a stereo instrument/audio source. You can use the input ring for a second instrument if you wish too. Please send us an email at ‘[e-mail]’ if you require further assistance. We provide support from there. A service ticket will be created for you and we will be able to follow up easily.

[@tasteapiana]

It would be nice if the unit had a means of checking the phase of each pedal's out against the others in the chain and the source - which might require a signal generator in the unit being patched to the first pedal's IN. Switching and routing signals is just a portion of what requirements a professional rig has.

[@MorningstarEngineering]

Hi. We answer your question about phase control here: manuals.morningstar.io/ml10x/faq

[@tasteapiana]

@@MorningstarEngineering Well, you don't really answer it there. You state there that there is no signal phase inversion available. What my question was pointing toward is a means of CHECKING if there is a phase issue. A simple regulated internal sine wave at 1k, acting as a clock, checked against any 1k signal coming in from each pedal is all it should take. Then the unit gives the user a warning that pedal X is out of phase with the other pedals (or the internal signal). That would just save people a lot of time and become a major selling point as owners helped their friends (WHO HAVEN'T BOUGHT ONE) check if their gear is phase inverted or skewed. It's stuff like that that can greatly increase your sales long term ;)

[@Banoffeeee]

Hey, will you ever consider an update that allow ml10x to rotate the screen? I think this will be very helpful when setting the board

[@MorningstarEngineering]

Hi. That has been a feature for a long time already! It can be configured in the settings.

[@simbadlemarin1815]

Any idea when these will be in stock again?

[@carlosloor88]

will there be an iOS version of the editor?

[@MorningstarEngineering]

Hi. It's not impossible. But it's not in the plans at the current moment.

[@danec1384]

Are you able to use it as a splitter to send to signal to an effect in a parallel mixer? Also, can you use a loop as a control switch? For bypass on/off switches on equipment. I'd like a cheaper alternative to the GCX for a rack setup but it is not clear whether you can do this on the ML10X. Thanks.

[@MorningstarEngineering]

Hi. Yes, you can. Every send and return can also be used as an input or output if you wish. This allows for all kinds of switching options, even beyond being just a loop switcher.

[@SteepRZ]

Me gustaría escucharlo en acción y poder identificar si tiene latencia. Me hubiera gustado que el dispositivo tenga swtiches para evitar agregar una pedalera Midi.

[@heathband]

wow

[@kristencapolino3082]

How do I do a stereo output without summing it? I was using Simple Mode so I think it was summing the output so I’m trying Advanced Mode for the first time. Is it right to have the L to to the left side of the Tip and the right go to the right side of the Ring?

[@MorningstarEngineering]

Yes, you are correct!

[@kristencapolino3082]

@ For some reason the outputs are still uneven so I’m going to try sending each side twice. I saw that the outputs automatically sum so for some reason the right side is much hotter.

[@votekmendo6485]

Is it possible to link two morningstar ML10x tohether to create a longer chain?

[@MorningstarEngineering]

Yes, you can. However, reordering can only be done within each unit, and not across. The reorder matrix exists only within each unit.

[@bobabernathy6108]

Lets GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[@Shankdv8]

Any info on when we'll be able to have cc loop bypass using advanced mode? I run series and wet/dry depending on songs/artists im working with?

[@MorningstarEngineering]

Hi. This function is currently in the works and we will announce as soon as it is ready. Thank you!

[@theiphone4179]

So with the advanded edit mode it is possible to put an effects pedal only on the left channel? if so really cool

[@MorningstarEngineering]

That sounds easily done. But to be sure that what we understand from your comment is correct, please send us an email at ‘[e-mail]’. We provide technical support from there. A service ticket will be created for you and we will be able to follow up easily.

[@jan_07]

Holy smokes…probably time to put my 2 ES-8 units up for sale 😂

[@roscius6204]

Nah just add this into Loop 8 😂😂

[@GhostofMozart]

I have no clue what I'm doing wrong. I'm trying to set up a simple mono only preset with 4 pedals. Tipa, B, C, & D. I have all of them engaged and green, but for some reason, none of my peddles do anything when I switch to that preset. I still get signal to pass through and turn the pedals on manually, I thought the whole point of creating loops was so that I wouldn't have to do that

[@MorningstarEngineering]

Hi! Please send us an email at ‘[e-mail]’. We provide support from there. A service ticket will be created for you and we will be able to follow up easily.

[@kristencapolino3082]

How do I toggle loops with a different switcher, such as the G3?

[@MorningstarEngineering]

Hi! We explain that at this timestamp: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nF7akJ2CpN9pg9k

[@kristencapolino3082]

@ I tried engaging individual loops with CC messages, but it seems all of the loops stay on anyway. Am I supposed to send a CC to enable one loop and then send CC’s to disengage the other loops at the same time? But then how do I add a loop to that say I want to add my Mercury X to my H90 loop? I would love to chat with someone because my new rig is pretty complicated so somehow my stereo pedals going through the ML10 are only coming out mono somehow so I have no idea what I’m doing wrong. My plan was to use my G3 to engage and bypass the stereo loops on the ML10 for my wet effects and have my presets for each pedal on tap on the MC6, but I can’t seem to get this to work.

[@MorningstarEngineering]

@@kristencapolino3082 Please send us an email at ‘[e-mail]’. We provide support from there. A service ticket will be created for you and we will be able to follow up easily. ________________________________________

[@bluematrix5001]

How is the quality for critical listening? I mean for line audio gear (studio quality)

[@MorningstarEngineering]

Hi. The buffers on the ML10X are designed for maximum clarity and transparency. We will have audio samples in an upcoming video.

[@LarsonGuitarPlayer]

Can we get a test with a guitar going straight into amp, and then the same guitar going through the ML10X with all the loops engaged with cables going straight from in to out? (To the same amp...)

[@Alex_Martz]

Awesome, too bad you're out of stock as well as on the MC8, I wish you could have a better deal with shipping couriers to make shipments in Europe less expensive as your official distributors want to charge almost TWICE the price of any of your products

[@josecarlosturner]

Please tell us how to use it with fuzzes properly! 😪 I e-mail you a few day ago and haven't received an answer! Regards!

[@WATCHMANNPC]

Can I use my standard pedal board cables and instrument cables for the input and final output with it? I have just purchased one and have it all hooked up but am currently getting no sound…

[@MorningstarEngineering]

Do you mean mono 1/4" cables? Yes, you can. You are probably not getting any sound because you have not programmed a preset. You need to connect input and your loops to the output tip.

[@WATCHMANNPC]

I’ll give that a go! Thanks!

[@WATCHMANNPC]

@@MorningstarEngineering so if I’m using the splitter cables from you guys to be able to plug all my pedals into the 10x so loops a,b, and c have those and loops d and e are being run with one pedal each (mono). Verified all the connections and made a preset. Still no sound. How do are you supposed to set up the connections on the desktop editor when you are using the splitter cables? That’s where I think my problem may be. Thanks for your responses!🙏🏽

[@WATCHMANNPC]

@@MorningstarEngineering I think I got it figured out! Now to connect my MC8!

[@mrdeer5585]

I am very intrigued. But 5 stereo input sounds a bit underwhelming. Is there any plan for a bigger unit? Or is it possible to run multiple units together? Also, what about phase reversing?

[@Tury1799]

you can daisy chain the ml10x

[@aavavertu229]

Is it possible to flip the ML10X display if it is installed in a way that requires it?

[@MorningstarEngineering]

Hi. Yes, you can rotate the screen display to suit your orientation.

[@aavavertu229]

@@MorningstarEngineering Awesome, thanks for the reply.

[@eriksdrummer100]

I wonder how this product can be used if I want certain effects in fx loop

[@MorningstarEngineering]

Hi! Please send us an email at ‘[e-mail]’. We provide support from there. A service ticket will be created for you and we will be able to follow up easily.

[@hn3024]

I keep waiting for mc6 pro to be released. I would like some information.

[@lcglazer]

Is Morningstar based in Asia? This person sounds like a Singaporean or Southeast Asian.

[@-jk-2580]

Is it same size like ML5? I think the drawback with that was that it won’t fit under pedalboards, ie. Temple Audio. It’s height should be 1 cm smaller for safe use.

[@MorningstarEngineering]

Hi. The ML10X size is very similar to the ML5. You can check their dimensions on our website. We are talking millimeters difference. These dimensions fit under most pedalboards. Perhaps temple boards offer less space below. With its LCD display, the ML10X would be best used on top though.

[@dougleydorite]

Holy shite!!!!!!!!

[@Michael_Is_Avg]

With something like a El Cap or a Mercury M7 with a trs stereo input, would I be able to just go TRS to TRS to the pedal and not worry about the splitter and just have the trs to ts ts on the return for the stereo out?

[@MorningstarEngineering]

Hi. Yes, absolutely. That would be the best way!

[@Michael_Is_Avg]

@@MorningstarEngineering thanks for the reply! That's good to know. With going to a bigger board, needing to upgrade from a MC6 to MC8, but the ml10x is right behind.

[@eyejacker]

So if I add some pedals with midi presets in a chain, do I get the option to choose which preset will be active in that particular chain? Let’s assume I’m connected to a MC6 PRO.

[@MorningstarEngineering]

Yes, you are right. You can engage/bypass the pedal with MIDI

[@eyejacker]

@@MorningstarEngineering Thanks for your reply. That is not what I was asking though. I’m assuming this only processes audio signals. I have saved presets in my pedals. I don’t want to have the same sounds playing for every different pedal order I create. So can I still connect my pedals to the MC6 through midi, and when I call up a saved pedal order, the correct sound for each pedal is engages through midi?

[@MorningstarEngineering]

@@eyejacker Yes, for sure you can. MIDI and audio signal chains are unrelated. You can have your pedals connected via MIDI and run their audio through the ML10X.

[@SamsonBrock42]

In case you've never owned something like this, know you're probably going to have to spend a significant amount of money on top of the unit itself if you don't already own stereo-to-mono splitter cables. The product comes with nothing but the unit itself. Therefore, if you want to be able to run say 10 mono pedals instead of only 5, you'll need to buy 10 stereo-to-mono splitter cables

[@michaeltrosenfeld]

Morningstar sell them for $3.90.

[@ChristianSurieux]

Great, may I use it in stereo mode into my amps FX loops (2 amps for stereo) which drive higher signal level than the 'before amp' circuit ? What is the max signal level ?

[@MorningstarEngineering]

Hi. The max I/O levels are stated under tech specs on the ML10X product page. Max I/O level: 10V peak to peak (with 18v power supply), 4V peak to peak (with 9v power supply)

[@gonzalozech]

1) Are these loops buffered or true bypass loops? For parallel I guess there should be an active circuit for compensating the level drop, but what about series? I'm curious about signal coloring. 2) Can a single trs jack act as an in/out? I mean, can all tips and rings be ins and outs and viceversa?

[@claycowartisamazing]

Don't ask questions. Just buy stuff.

[@MorningstarEngineering]

Hi. (1) All loops are buffered to allow splitting and merging signals. The buffers on the ML10X are designed for maximum clarity and transparency. We will have audio samples in an upcoming video. (2) Each jack is labelled Send or Return. If it is Send, it can be used as an Out. If it is Return, it can be used as an In. Using a splitter cable will double the number of ins/outs for each jack.

[@gonzalozech]

@@MorningstarEngineering Thank you, having taken the time to answer all of these comments speaks for the company. I'm really looking forward to getting one.

[@jdrramos1769]

So... how's it going?

[@TheFlutecart]

Anybody want to buy my ES-5? This ML10X creature just made it obsolete. Love it! - Gotta have it!

[@shadowm3ld]

Is it possible to use this with a Kemper or Helix? I would like to do something like add a big sky to after dual amps in the Helix but then send them back to some effects in the modeler.

[@ChandlerBrown]

Helix has fx loops…just use them instead. Save the money.

[@shadowm3ld]

@@ChandlerBrown yeah I know about fox loops… problem is that I love wet stereo effects, so my fx loops are limited to basically 1 stereo unit. I’m difficult that way haha. If the ML10x cab allow multiple stereo FX loops in and out of modelers, I would truly consider it.

[@MorningstarEngineering]

Hi. Yes, you can use it with a modeller for sure.

[@RadityoPramAdi]

can you control the phase in parallel signal chain ?

[@MorningstarEngineering]

Hi. We answer your question in the ML10X FAQs here: manuals.morningstar.io/ml10x/faq

[@RadityoPramAdi]

@@MorningstarEngineering thank you!!

[@kristenrocksfrags8584]

Can the buffer be turned off if I want to have a fuzz in the chain?

[@MorningstarEngineering]

Hi. The buffers are not defeat-able. We explain why and how to address that for fuzzes on our ML10X FAQ page:manuals.morningstar.io/ml10x/faq

[@icebob8555]

Do a looper video please Rc 5 500 600 any thank you

[@user-fz3vi7yp9c]

いつ日本で販売なるんだろううか・・・

[@MorningstarEngineering]

我々はそれに取り組んでいます！ おそらく今年も10月になると思います。 ありがとう！

[@djastars5909]

fr

[@toneconsultant]

Every video I’ve seen that you have made doesn’t show how this connects to midi to actually work, as in hands-on.

[@MorningstarEngineering]

Hi. We mentioned that we'll be showing that in an upcoming video. Otherwise this video would be too long.

[@charlesanyona1724]

hahah too sNice tutorialt

[@John-e4p1x]

If I have to use a computer, I am OUT. Sold my MC8 last week. I will wait until you rlease aproduck that does not need me to hook up to my mac. Just like Boss did with the Es-8.

[@MorningstarEngineering]

Hi. You can program presets on the MC8 device itself. However, given how much our controllers are designed to do, presenting that much information on a small screen just won't be the best experience (for eg. one switch can send 16 different MIDI messages at once). It's much clearer and faster to program with a mouse and computer screen. Same goes with the ML10X. You can program Simple presets on the device itself, but not Advanced presets.

[@John-e4p1x]

@@MorningstarEngineering I am used to Boss ES-8 and had no problem programming on that. I did for a short time purchase a Morningstar controller but sold it becuase I dont want ot have to use my mac to program it. I though the ES-8 was perfect and easy to program. Its screen is even smaller than the ML10x I believe.

[@anonymous_friend]

When are you guys coming out with a real flagship product? The MC8, could be an MC12, and you implement the ML10X? I'm not buying multiple devices to handle switching. I've held off buying anything from you guys for years, and still consider the RJM mastermind pbc10 to be superior. I will keep an eye out for your product releases to see if you listen to your customers or not.

[@davidkulmaczewski4911]

MIDI over USB? I didn't hear this mentioned.... did I miss it? Need USB MIDI to integrate with a DAW, right? Do you manage gains with parallel loops? Each part and the end result all need to run at unity gain, for any configuration. This is not an issue with strict in-series circuits, or in stereo circuits (which is really just two separate strict in-series circuits that are not summed). The system should should run a full-voltage signal into each parallel loop, and then appropriately attenuate each result before summing. Otherwise, you'll have to adjust the gain knobs on each pedal for any loops with parallel sections. And if any presets use different numbers of parallel loops, you'll have to *readjust* any common pedals. (If you turn off half of your parallel loops without managing the gains automatically, you are cutting your signal volume by 1/2, so you need to turn the remaining pedals up). Can you create presets that route the signal through the same effect twice? I.e., place an effect block into a preset twice? Or, can you create intentional feedback paths in your block diagram, feeding an output back into an input? If you demonstrated this, I missed it.

[@MorningstarEngineering]

Hi. Yes, MIDI over USB is possible. We recommend using a USB isolator to eliminate potential ground loop noise. Explained here: manuals.morningstar.io/ml10x/troubleshooting#Troubleshooting-NoisewhenUSBisconnected. We answer your question about gain control here: manuals.morningstar.io/ml10x/faq You cannot use the same effect twice in a preset as you only have one of that pedal. Yes you can create feedback if so desired by routing an output back into an input.

[@davidkulmaczewski4911]

@@MorningstarEngineering Thanks for the reply, and good answers. Do you provide or can you recommend a suitable USB isolator? My earlier research into these failed to turn up any viable products (personally, I think the best design splits the incoming signals into two connectors, one to transfer data with no power connections, and one to provide power, fully isolated from the data signals).

[@sonicmistress]

@@davidkulmaczewski4911 Arturia make one (Iso Cable) for the Beatstep Pro, you can buy the kit seperately. :)

[@DARTHMOBIUS]

Can we get a ML20X ? Yeah, I got a lot of pedals…

[@cloremancey2653]

You can daisy chain 2 mlx10 units

[@mansonrustrelic]

I'd go for an ML20X rack unit 👌

[@learnwithjoy668]

He's clicking everywhere and he knows what every button does. clicking by mistake " where did it go?!?!" Start pressing random keys

[@GalileoandtheStars]

The RJM Gizmo X is way better

[@DarkSitari]

Splitters are too bulky better to use a trs to 2xts

[@RDHamel]

That’s extraordinary. I guess it’s digital for it to do all that.

[@MorningstarEngineering]

Hi. The audio path is 100% analog.

[@Banoffeeee]

Can the advance mode do a wet dry wet setting?

[@MorningstarEngineering]

Yes, it can

[@ArrakisOCE]

Can I use this to put all my pedals away with the switcher into a rack and just control the signal chain with MIDI via software / DAW?

[@MorningstarEngineering]

Yes, you sure can.

[@ArrakisOCE]

perfect! thankyou@@MorningstarEngineering