Hanley Ramirez is Better Than You Remember

Hanley was on track to become the greatest power-hitting shortstop in baseball history. Where did things go wrong?
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[@JollyOlive]

NOTE: The final 20-20 season statistic at the end is only for players since the 2000 season. My bad. Also Ryne Sandberg slots at 2B, not SS.

[@danielalfaro3118]

Deleted my comment.

[@Dudeman9339]

yo.. you dont get to # other channels my dude... ESPECIALLY when you didnt mention them at all. Jomboy has nothing to do with this video

[@grahammarshall1199]

Do Adam Jones next!

[@tylerbrown9302]

It's hard to believe that at one point the Marlins had a young core of Miguel Cabrera, Hanley Ramirez, Dontrelle Willis and Josh Johnson, and nothing ever came of it. Loria really was a terrible owner

[@hmhm856]

He did get a new stadium for the Marlins, which at one point seemed impossible.

[@hmhm856]

They had a power-hitting infield of Cabrera, Hanley, Uggla. I remember that there were rumors that Arod was gonna sign with them after the 2007 season (moving Cabrera to first base and Arod at third). Imagine that infield.

[@i_own_adog]

Reminds me of the marlins of 2016. And probably the marlins of upcoming years too 😢

[@McGuappo]

Also had Stanton, Ozuna, Yelich, Fernandez, Realmuto and Dee Gordon for a few years with absolutely nothing to come of it

[@AndreIguodalaFan55]

Well dontrelle fell off so they kinda got rid of him before he started to sucj

[@drewskidayosh]

When Hanley Ramirez made his first all star team in 2008, it's crazy how stacked the Marlins were as a whole. 3 30+ HR guys and Jorge Cantu right behind with 29. Out of the 6 guys with at least 500 PAs, only one had an OPS+ below 100 (Jeremy Hermida, who had a 90). Hanley was amazing, but Dan Uggla, Mike Jacobs, and Josh Willingham all had some really solid years in Miami. Also overlapped with the tail end of Miggy and the beginning of Stanton. Wild how much hitting talent the Marlins have had.

[@cultureshock5000]

stacked but loose 100 games

[@rockerboyka94]

Don’t forget yelich too

[@ssojyeti2]

I loved those teams and that stadium

[@gherbo547]

So true. As a young black baseball player and fan, Hanley and Dontrelle were the two guys I would tune in just to watch. Breaks my heart to recall the caliber of teams we had. So many great unheralded hitters and we just traded em all away, it really soured me on baseball for a couple years. Back into now and if they ever trade Jazz I’ll probably never watch a Marlins game again

[@thekingofkingsrp]

​@@cultureshock5000 I selected him third overall in my league that year and ended up winning first place.

[@FuzzyFromYT]

I miss prime Hanley. Dude was an offensive freak!

[@mannyg.18]

We need him back in the show

[@johncooper7663]

Roids

[@tsua8061]

@@johncooper7663 everyone is on roids numb nuts. They get caught cuz they cycle wrong

[@johncooper7663]

@@tsua8061 Babe Ruth wasn't on roids. Neither was Ted Williams or Willie Mays

[@justinalley3399]

babe ruth was all fat and ted williams was too skinny too be on roids same goes too too willies mays

[@BaseballisEverything]

I forgot Hanley Ramirez was the one to breakup Clayton Kershaw's Perfect game on that Throwing Error.

[@BaseballisEverything]

It was fun watching Hanley Ramirez play, Despite never making the World Series he was so underrated for his time and skill.

[@pray4us955]

Does have a ring though.

[@BaseballisEverything]

@@pray4us955 with who?

[@pray4us955]

@@BaseballisEverything Boston 2018 He opened the season as their 1b and played 44 games. I double checked and he did in fact get a ring.

[@c0mf0rtablel1ar]

He had a good chance with the Dodgers until the Cards knocked him out with that pitch to the ribs.

[@BaseballisEverything]

@@pray4us955 I thought since they released him he didn't get a ring

[@elijahlandin3525]

Hanley with the dodgers was legendary. I’m 2013 if he didn’t break his ribs in a hbp in the playoffs they would have won. He was the hottest hitter in that time

[@fatboyninja20]

Kershaws perfect game :'(

[@BeeAyyy]

Crazy how Joe Kelly went from public enemy #1 among Dodger fans for drilling Hanley to cult hero these past few seasons

[@fatboyninja20]

@@BeeAyyy right!

[@bumpandsquish]

i remember him hitting a home run into the third deck of that brick building in petco park. he was terrible defensively, but i think he may have been under instruction by the dodgers to not overdo it on the field to avoid injury

[@HyramBautista]

I grew up going to Marlins games every month from 02-2012. It was so much fun watching Miggy, Hanley, Uggla, Hermida, Cantu, Beckett, Lowell, Conine, Dontrelle, even Cody Ross. And seeing young Stanton was fantastic. It's crazy how much talent these guys had over the years and the fact they got rid of them. Out of all of the players, Hanley was by far my favorite to watch, I loved his swing, so much that I imitated his batting stance! Great video man, deserves a ton of more views.

[@thomasneiko302]

Hey Jolly, I think it’s time you make a rise and fall of David Wright. Dude would have been a hall of famer and top 10 third basemen of all time if he didn’t get hurt

[@billiemack64]

I watched a Braves game from June 29, 2012 just randomly the other day. Dan Uggla was given a headset and was asked if Andrelton Simmons had the potential to be as good as Hanley Ramirez. Uggla said Hanley was the best hitting shortstop he had ever seen. Interesting

[@joshnunez5265]

As a Marlins fan, he captured my imagination during the final years at Dolphin Stadium. His batting title season of 2009 was absolutely epic. Him being a part of an infield in 2008 who would all slug over 25 home runs. ROY winner joining Dontrelle Willis and Jose Fernandez as the Marlins to win one. His fallout with Fredi Gonzalez and the Marlins broke my heart

[@hmhm856]

That was his fallout = his attitude. I think that happened because the Marlins owner, Loria, just treated Hanley like if Hanley was his son who could do no wrong and he made Hanley like the face of the franchise.

[@shoukatsukai]

I remember he was number 2 in my top 50 mlb players book from 2009. Behind only Pujols and above guys like Arod, Braun, Greinke, and Halladay

[@Bajirkus]

Hanley's 2013 season was pretty crazy. In barely more than half a season, he posted 5.2 bWAR, while also playing the best defense of his career. His defense still wasn't great in 2013, but it was absolutely good enough to justify a >.400 OBP player. 2013 was the lowest scoring year since 1992, with the league-wide OBP down at .318, which is how Hanley managed to pile up an absurd ~10 WAR pace - if you're still hitting in a low-offense era, you can stack WAR to the sky.

[@D0RYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY]

i went to a lot of marlins games in that 5 year gap when hanley was a beast. was living in florida at the time and tickets were dirt cheap compared to the prices in NY so i went often. Was a big fan of his.

[@mikecarpenter3565]

I remember watching Hanley all the way back when he was on the Portland Sea Dogs and I was so sad when they got rid of him but was then so excited when they finally got him back, he was always one of my favorites

[@shanegunner8095]

LAST NIGHT. Last night I was wondering if you'd made a Hanley Ramirez video, OMG this made my day thank you

[@guillermogallegos87]

We loved him in LA. When he was healthy he was still an offensive force at the plate. If he didn’t have those broken ribs during the playoffs who knows how far the dodgers could of gone.

[@scullystie4389]

Joe "this MFer" Kelly had a long redemption arc for Dodger fans lol Sadly my most prominent memory of Hanley is the error that cost Kershaw a perfect game, but it is what it is.

[@guillermogallegos87]

@@scullystie4389 I know a lot of dodger fans are bitter sweet about Kershaw perfect game bid lost due to Hanleys error but to me that didn’t matter. I still remember when we traded for him our team didn’t have much and he brought that life and spark plug back to dodgers during that time.

[@Zoggosh]

As a sox fan it was cool to see Hanley come back in the twilight of his career, even though he left quite a bit to be desired defensively. He had some big at bats, and it was nice to see it all come full circle for a bit. That being said, the trade was totally worth it for '04 alone.

[@elitehunters732]

HanRam was an absolute beast, and anyone who witnessed him from his rookie year on, would never dispute that. great video....Cargo would be a nice one too

[@travismcnamara8919]

Old guy here: Sandberg was a 2B. Pretty sure Shawon Dunston was their SS.

[@JollyOlive]

You're right! That's my bad, but it also makes Hanley's season even more elite among shortstops then, lol.

[@Gamingnerd15]

Hanley was one of my favorite players growing up and he made everything look so effortless. I knew he was very good, but statistically I didn’t realize he was dominant. Excellent video.

[@tyleralbright4121]

Please keep doing videos on former Cleveland legends like this one and CarGo. No but forreal these last few videos have been awesome for me as I’m just old enough to to have been in little league while watching these guys in their prime.

[@KOCChristian]

As I visit my family in Florida going to Marlins games and watching Hanley was my favorite thing to do. Hanley my favorite player during his days, wish he stay healthy and so mad Red Sox gave him up as a rookie

[@97NikeSb]

As dodger fan it was always exciting seeing him play against the dodgers cause he really was that damn good back then. Even when he came over he would still mash the ball. His defense wasn’t great at all but seeing him live in person the ball came off his bat like almost no one else. He could square up a ball and it would scream all over the field.

[@KT-mw2jt]

My favorite player growing up! The way he generated power from his legs I was able to learn how to do that myself thanks to a great hitting coach and man I miss the young days lol

[@johncooper7663]

Roids

[@schuylersavage276]

@@johncooper7663Hanley didn’t take roids. He would have had 45 HR seasons

[@johncooper7663]

@@schuylersavage276 lmao. He got suspended for 50 games in 2009 for testing positive

[@jamalwashington6575]

I was just talking to a friend about just how good Hanley was in his prime. One of my favorite childhood players, loved this guy

[@CaraDePapaaa]

I loved Hanley when he came to LA. Those were some fun years.

[@KJ-wx2su]

I was just thinking about this. Growing up, I remember how people (talking heads on ESPN; social media wasn't really a "thing" yet) were talking about A-Rod being one of the best ever at his position, but one guy -- I wanna say Buster Olney -- said flat out one night that Hanley Ramirez was the most talented player in the game *right now.* This was when he was still with the Marlins, I think. As a Phillies fan, I definitely saw a lot of him back then.

[@jackciarlo01]

Hanley is the reason why I fell in love with the shortstop position even though his defense wasn’t ideal. I miss watching him play. But overall a great career

[@austinamell2607]

Oh man those Marlins teams with Hanley, Uggla, Anibal, Nolasco, Josh Johnson were my favorite teams to watch. Sucks that I was 6 years old in 03

[@mikejanacone8328]

Yes I remember early Marlin’s Hanley Ramirez you thought you were seeing a Hall of Fame player a problem sometimes is when you’re really get good Is success gets to your head and you lose Focus on what made you so great

[@denrik0]

I was at the Sox game when he hit the walk off in the 15th. Two hour rain delay before the game too. Longest game ever lol.

[@jethrojacinto2798]

I think Hanley's career was seriously overlooked only because he mostly played his prime years with the Marlins and while joining a more competitive and big market team with the Dodgers just at the tail-end of his prime

[@richardmash7570]

Hanley was was one of those "ahead of his time guys" as a Baltimore boy in that east division...I hated when he came up ...but got nothing but respect ⚾💯❤️

[@MrEddiefan]

It hurt as a 6-9 year old in 06-09 watching Hanley and Rollins put up all star numbers while watching Reyes slowly stop holding a candle in the “best shortstop in the Nl east” conversation. Then in 2011 Beltran became my favorite player

[@oldfrend]

that dude was designed to do one thing, and that was be very good at hitting a baseball. such a flawless, pretty swing. his one elite year for the dodgers will always be a huge what-if cuz he was so good it felt like he could carry the team to a world series. it felt like the cardinals knew this too, cuz in the first game of the NLCS they plunked him in the ribs and broke two of them, taking him out of the series. such a shame - him helping us win a WS would've made up for that stupid error that cost kershaw a perfect game.

[@swagchamp0]

He was my favorite player ever he was so fun to watch

[@andydufresne1602]

Would love a video about goat journeymen and former Met, Karim Garcia

[@alexraissis2157]

I loved going to games and seeing him and Uggla hit Teal Monster bombs!

[@barkobongo7196]

I vividly remeber joe kelly breaking hanleys ribs and that being the defining turning point of the 2013 nlcs between the dodgers and cardinals they were gonna go all the way if he did not get hurt

[@larsfinlay7325]

he was dope in Miami, we had a really good infield for a stretch of time :)

[@KyleJButcavageJr]

Anyone else miss the old Marlins logo and stadium? I get the they had to move out of that stadium at some point but damn it brings back so many memories for me.

[@MarquisdeSuave]

Hanley Ramirez singhandedly won me 3 straight titles in my 16 team keeper Roto League and I picked him up as a FA after I realized he went undrafted. Batting average, steals, power, run production as an every day shortstop. This was in a season where Derek Jeter was reentered in the draft pool in my league and went 2nd overall. Yeah, I freaking LOVED Hanley Ramirez.

[@joshuapatrick682]

Seriously Though he was a guy who played emotionally. Hen he was in a good emotional Space he played well. When he was in a bad space or dealing with adversity He fell apart but still managed to be essentially League average and if you’re career can be measured as above average to top 10….well you Probably did alright.

[@movieclipsforthevibes]

My Hanley Ramirez shirt jersey was fire in 2008

[@luv3835]

Definitely one of my favorite players growing up. Always Gave The Braves Fits

[@gamerparty929]

Been waiting for this he was a top 5 favourite of mine

[@LoowheezeBreeze]

3:23 Sandberg was a 2B... he played 1 game at SS in '85

[@lxxredxxl9587]

Han Ram was always 1 of my favorites!!

[@MasterMike6293]

Hey jolly, there’s probably many videos on this one but I was wondering if you can do an in depth video of cc Sabathia, the year he was traded from the Indians to the brewers and the brewers rode his arm in the second half to a postseason appearance. And then maybe what sabathia’s Career was like afterwards

[@JNaps21813]

Hanley was my hero as a kid he was the only reason why I was a marlins fan I miss him so much but jazz is getting there. Go Yankees

[@mpaulm]

Underpaid in Florida, overpaid in Boston. A similar theme rings there.

[@Ruderickle2424]

As a Marlins fan, Hanley was my favorite player after the D-train derailed. He was tremendous for half a decade then he got super buff and it seems like it had a negative effect. He gained a little power but he seemingly lost everything else :(.

[@TheRandalHandle]

He was excellent. Crazy stats. Can you do a video or two about how injuries alter the course of baseball?

[@NoahEurich]

I’m not sure exactly who your source was at 10:31 but there are a lot more than that. A-Rod, Barry and Bobby Bonds each did it 10x, Kirk Gibson, Eric Davis, Mike Cameron, Darryl Strawberry, Andre Dawson, and quite a few more.

[@Precomo97]

Does this mean "xxx is Better Than You Remember" is becoming a series?? Make it happen Jolly!

[@Neckrollios18]

Porn is better than you remember?

[@MikeJr9284]

Hanley Ramriez was by far the notable power hitting shortstop from my childhood.

[@johncooper7663]

Roids. Once he stopped them he was mediocre during his late 20s

[@TheMensch]

So random I had a dream about Hanley the other day. He was a fantasy baseball MONSTER and a hell of a player

[@Jake-wh9hw]

I was obbsessed with hanley when i was a kid. Grew up a huge red sox fan and went to a lot of his games in the minors he would always sign for me and was so nice to me. I was heartbroken when sox traded him for lowell and beckett even if it did win us a world series

[@Sticktothemodels]

Marlins Hanley was simply different gravy. Man, I miss that era of Shortstops. Jose Reyes, Hanley, Tulo, Jimmy Rolllins, etc… what a time in life

[@LMarcon11]

Tbf the current Shortstops are historically good. In 20+ years we'll look back and appreciate it

[@tuben9217]

All I remember from Hanleys time with the dodgers is him blowing Kershaw’s perfect game

[@deshaundozier]

The St. Louis cardinals purposely hit him in the ribs ending an incredible season for Hanley when he played for the dodgers. They were going to win the World Series. They had won 42 out of 50 games and unstoppable

[@tima.478]

Baseball has the craziest stat charts. He was only 1 or 2 players between 2008 and 2012 that shaved his face in an upward direction, every other day, from the hours of 8 to 10 am during the month of June, while making toast, in the basement, from sourdough bread, using a refurbished 4 slice, Empire Red KitchenAid toaster!

[@liamlyons4661]

As a marlins fan he gave me hope for years

[@RealBlueony]

That last guy with 5 20/20 seasons since 2000 (Ian Desmond) could make a good video in his own right about how he was a bit better than remembered, if he's remembered at all. Never took a walk, and didn't hit for much average most years, but had solid power and speed and that was his niche. Defense was lacking. Guys like him are a rare breed nowadays, but are honestly kinda fun.

[@Morozi2]

Keep up the good work

[@tylerm2870]

underrated during his career and still is

[@toneriggz]

What about Josh Johnson from that same Marlins era? For some time, I had hoped that the Mets could sign him.

[@jamesesterline]

Hanley is the best shortstop in MLB Power Pros

[@stevehardman4686]

In fairness, when he came in, there were already shortstops like ARod and Jeter who finished up with 250-250 career totals (or way, way above, like A-Rod's 696 HR), but they don't count because Jeter hit 63 of his HR in the 90's, while ARod had 118 SB in the 90's and only another 211 after the year 2000. The previously mentioned Jimmy Rollins fit the time frame, was much better defensively, but only had 231 HR(to go with 470 SB, as opposed to Hanley just topping the 250 mark in both categories with 271 and 281). Nomar was another guy who was slowed by injuries that robbed him of his speed and playing time. The truth is, Hanley did not stand out that much based on his results as a SS, I would suggest that in almost any other era, he would have stood out by a wider margin.

[@Dudeman9339]

Everyone forgets he hit .265+ with tons of power and could still run a little bit during his last 2 months with Boston

[@theproffesir]

Remember when the best SS in the game were Tulo and Hanley? God those were fun times

[@JohnnyCashavetes]

Everyone that watched Hanley play during that time remembers what a beast he was.

[@MasterMike6293]

Also maybe a video on one year wonder, Chicago first baseman Bryan lahair.

[@ktbeatty]

I don’t really accept the line that we are suddenly in an era of historically good short stops. The difference, which is all at the plate, is due to the way teams have devalued the defensive importance of the position. Ramirez is a perfect example. In the past, he would never have played a single game at the position at the MLB level. He would’ve been moved to first base or outfield. That applies to most of the incredible offensive short stops today. The SS golden age is simply the change in priorities. Potentially elite hitters, with that size and power, who are at best adequate, often worse, with the glove, get to play the position. Historically, they had been automatically moved.

[@ktbeatty]

@breadandcircuses8127 Shift. We’ll see how it goes when they are back to having to cover that large, premium gap mostly alone again.

[@yvngrula]

one of the coolest and my favorite players ever

[@coreyeatmon5101]

He was dope. I still have his marlins colored glove.

[@averyhamilton4945]

0:34 I was there. Cool.

[@BeefPapa]

Take a shot every time Jolly says "MLB history". That's how good Hanley was.

[@qj8733]

The fact that the Marlins had the NL Rookie of the Year, 3rd and 4th place players on the same team is insane

[@ToneBone24]

Dodgers fans remember him for 2 things. The error in Kershaw’s no hitter and his monster 2013. What could’ve been if he didn’t get drilled in game 1 of the NLCS.

[@chrisstalter9870]

You showed Dansby Swanson when talking about the best shortstops in the game right now but nut J.P Crawford :( He's always overlooked

[@DuckAvenger]

As a dodgers fan I thought he was such a great player but I remember him being slow on fielding sometimes. I swear when the cards broke his rib with the ball in the playoffs his career went down hill and so did the world series hopes. Also getting hurt in the baseball classic made me mad. But I loved him as a dodger!

[@Pemexdoom]

Miss this dude.

[@The_One617]

As a true Boston fan born and raised in Massachusetts, only my true socks fans will understand this Ramirez he got his career off to a KICK start with the Portland Sea dogs lmfao and he became expandable.

[@ligomi]

He was my target in every fantasy league in his prime.

[@Shteben712]

Lastings Milledge was a name I never thought I’d hear again.

[@1WrongOne]

Damn crazy he had 50 stolen bags I remember in his final years he had like a 29 speed on mlb the show😂

[@levijamesvstheworld]

Duuuude I forgot the marlins signed Jose Reyes. On paper that looked so sick

[@GhettoGoogle19]

He a legend

[@marctomassi3979]

The og big shortstop is Nomar and A-rod

[@asagambill6101]

To think that the Red Sox middle infield could've been Hanley and Pedroia is insane

[@JustMeELC]

But what if I remember him as a really good player & know many others who do too?

[@NightmareTeeVee2]

Hanley was easily my favorite player until the Marlins traded him away. Loved that SOB.

[@ticnatz]

Ramírez was clearly on a HOF career path, until he hit 30. Nice age 32 season, but it all fell apart when he got hurt as a 29 year old. Too bad, he was exciting. He made over 159 Million playing baseball, so I hope he is doing well....

[@bhasegod5015]

Sucks marlins got rid of those jerseys. Still have my Hanley jersey

[@c0mf0rtablel1ar]

Hanley was carrying the Dodgers in the postseason before the Cardinals plunked him in the ribs. Completely took the wind out of their sails and cost us the series.

[@rafrodriguez548]

I don't know why, but I kinda miss the Florida marlins jerseys, they should bring those back with a retro jersey.

[@robwasilewski9273]

These shortstop reminds me of the group from the mid 1990's.

[@raypagano3684]

the marlins have a short history but man is it packed w some fun players