MLM HORROR STORIES #6 | Southwestern Advantage forcing salespeople to work 80 hours a week

[@Cee944]

The Southwestern Advantage story sounds like an MLM mixed with human trafficking tbh...

[@HannahAlonzo]

SO SKETCHY

[@tors14]

You’re spot on. It sounds similar to the NXIVM cult.

[@tiryaclearsong421]

Getting interviewed by them during the internship rush seems to be as much of a college experience as getting preyed on to sell knives in the high school cafeteria. We were pitched during SWE and I went through the whole interview process while I was also interviewing at a literal national lab that would pay 4500 dollars for the summer and have me doing research in my field. I should send Hannah that story because I probably annoyed the crap out of my recruiter.

[@ksen333]

For sure

[@StrawberryMontage]

I had a poor kid come to my door selling this he looked so tired I offered him snacks and drinks and told him to stay safe but that I honestly couldn't afford the crazy price. I wished him luck I hope he got out the program sounds terrible!

[@corinne4562]

I like how you said, if you “failed” in an MLM, you really succeeded, because you did exactly what the business model is expecting you to do. That’s such an important point. People should never blame themselves because the system is literally not designed to be sustainable or giving everyone an income!

[@HannahAlonzo]

Completely agree Corinne!

[@AshaGlenn]

Yes!!! I love how she breaks that down perfectly! I think it should be said in every video as a reminder. 😆 These women literally think that they are successful because they worked harder than others, when they actually need people to fail in order to have the success they have; then they shame the "failures" who are making them "successful". It drives me crazy!

[@alexia3552]

"People should never blame themselves because the system is literally not designed to be sustainable or giving everyone an income" in a different way and to a less directly predatory and egregious extent, that can apply for a lot of people in society at large. That's honestly kind of a good message for people to stop blaming themselves for being sunk in poverty or struggling paycheck-to-paycheck. It's not that you're "not working hard enough" -- it's that they system is working exactly as intended. You get paid pennies, and the employer enjoys a huge profit.

[@lmsmith015]

Omg.... I think I had a friend in Southwestern Advantage. He disappeared to the other side of the country for a summer "selling books" and I was so confused by it. Everything makes sense now.

[@HannahAlonzo]

Yes!! You know what… my dad moved across the country to sell books when he was in college and I asked him if he was in Southwestern Advantage 😂 he wasn’t though! So let’s cross our fingers your friend was involved in something far less culty…

[@lmsmith015]

@@HannahAlonzo I can now confirm (thanks to LinkedIn) that indeed my friend worked for Southwestern Advantage. Not only that, but it says he worked as a recruiter there for FIVE YEARS.

[@tolusogunro8783]

I did Southwestern back in the day. Thankfully I was forced to leave halfway through the summer due to lack of sales. I’m pretty sure they were kicked off campus from my university.

[@kateemma22]

The Southwestern one took a quick turn from Cutco levels of crazy to Nxivm levels of crazy real fast.

[@breannaculpepper9938]

Please do a Southwestern Advantage deep dive!!! I would love love love to see that!

[@rosedawn21]

Yes! I just watched this video in 2024 and this is crazy! I googled the company and there isn't even much info on it (positive or negative) and it's scary that young kids could still be getting roped into this 😰

[@cristinabivins2240]

​@@rosedawn21yes! I'm watching in July of 2024 and hoping that a) they're out of business and b) Hannah does a deep dive

[@laurabarraza1185]

@@cristinabivins2240​​⁠Sadly they are still in business. I just had a very nice foreign exchange college student come to my house, pushing their educational product. I felt bad sending her away without listening to her pitch, but I just told her I wasn’t going to waste her time since I was not planning on purchasing anything. She said she had to visit 50 families each day! That’s insane. I live in centra Cal and the weather has been 110F the last few days. It’s terrible that they have to go door to door and push their product and see very little if any profit. I’ve never heard of this company before, but I am obsessed with anti mlm content and I could see where this was going. I would like to see a deep dive as well.

[@isabellarodriquez5929]

@@cristinabivins2240thank you for this comment, I’m just now seeing this video,,,,1 year after being a victim of southwestern advantage and they’re still up and running in Nashville….i still know people who are involved in this terrible situation…

[@jennib5070]

​@@cristinabivins2240unfortunately as of 2023 they were still in business. We purchased books from the poor girl driving in our neighborhood. 🤦‍♀️ (to be fair I knew nothing about the sketchy practices) The poor girl was out at 8:30pm still knocking on doors.

[@dawnoheee9524]

20:10 My cousin got involved with an organization similar if not Southwest Advantage. Only the top sellers got beds, so he was forced to sleep on the floor. He somehow got a hold of his mom in Sacramento. She basically rescued him by driving out to wherever he was out-of-state. He had mental health issues and was socially awkward therefore a prime target for recruitment into this cult. As for the college professor who allowed this George guy to recruit in his classroom, that jerk should be reported to thtle University. What a scoundrel!

[@AllLifeIsTravesty]

My mother works in pediatrics so she sadly deals with CPS quite a bit so I've heard of many good parents in horrible situations trying to provide for their children, so that first story really disturbed me deeply. Most of the CPS social workers my mother works with would have been *enraged* hearing it themselves.

[@msnawrecka9786]

Right, who knows why the foster care systems PAYS someone to take care of kids but won’t pay the parents who are not bad but poor.

[@bethany9022]

@@msnawrecka9786 right!!!! So confusing specially when most kids go to places get abused, treated very poorly and sometimes hardly eat… my sister was in FC Bc she was out of control (no fault of my mothers) well the foster mom it was thanksgiving she made this big meal like most people do and she fed her whole family but the kids didn’t even get any food they got to watch her and her family eat this big thanksgiving meal, and the kids got ramen noodles, that woman was pure evil and I never understood Bc she was too in FC and abused so you would think she wouldn’t treat the kids that way but she did… luckily by my mom reporting her constantly calling local and state authorities she finally got the kids taken away. They had way enough evidence including a girl who went to hospital she was there 30 days Bc the woman broke her ribs and the girl jus decided to try and kill herself so she didn’t have to deal with the fc lady anymore she cut her wrist down to the bone… truly sad!!!!

[@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley]

@@msnawrecka9786 Super great point!

[@verngrl]

@@msnawrecka9786 Well, actually they do. Services are provided to parents as part of the reunification process, and are only terminated in the final stages if the parent has showed no signs of effort to complete the reunification process. And in many states, even being *homeless* isn't sufficient cause to have one's children removed, if the children are in a shelter and have access to minimum needs.

[@kiki74456]

I'm from Europe, from Estonia and Southwestern Advantage is a huge experience of many students! It is advertised to students as an opportunity to spend summer in the US whilst learning all the business hacks. Many see it as some sort of "initiation ritual" into the adulthood and a "business bootcamp". I have so many friends who spent their summers selling those books in the US, some successfully, some not. But the cult-like mentality of the people connected to this organization is extraordinary creepy.

[@martavibo]

Agreed.

[@CR3271]

Yes, the sales rep who knocked on my door said she was from Estonia. She was so nice. She even took a little time to teach my young daughter, who loves foreign languages, how to count from 1-10 in Estonian. It's so disgusting that this company apparently targets foreign students for their workforce!

[@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley]

Oh, HELL NO. So those bastards are preying on non-Americans as well to help sell their stupid MLM?! That is absolutely disgusting and I really hope these videos can be shared to non-Americans too so that people know how they're being preyed upon by their deeper innocence than even Americans to what an MLM is. I believe eastern Europe isn't as financially well-off as the bigger, more popular countries in Europe as well, so this sounds like a calculated strike to go after those who have less of a chance of being educated as to what an MLM is. As the other comments here have stated, this company reeks of human trafficking.

[@Scooterbug-ip3el]

@@CR3271you do realize on the most experienced end of the southwestern hierarchy kids are racking in $50,000+ during these summers. I think everyone is overlooking the fact that all the workers pay are subjected to their performance. Bad performance? Fix your sales techniques. It’s an experience for all. But yeah they’re a little weird some times. But you also make the best friends in that fraternity/sorority.

[@A_Muzik]

@@Scooterbug-ip3el A member told me that she got bit by a dog and had a gun pointed at her while she was making her sales. Does Southwestern Advantage provide any healthcare benefits or protective measures for their workers?

[@nattanflaggs]

So - I'm late to this post - but I know about southwest advantage. Years ago - people on our Nextdoor page were complaining about the aggressive kids selling books. (the kids weren't aggressive - they were aggressively (read - desperately) selling.) I'm in Texas - it was summer, and 115 degrees. The kid who came to our door was 16. He looked like he hadn't eaten in days, and I honestly thought he was going to pass out. He was in a jacket and tie in 115 degrees. I brought him inside, gave him some water and a grilled cheese and asked him where in Austin he lived (he needed to go home, and I was gonna take him). He told me he didn't live in Austin, he's from Houston. (3.5 hours away) His 'boss' put him on a bus with a bunch of other kids, and they dropped them off at a nearby intersection every day. He was in tears. He just wanted to go home. My heart sank. I asked him if he would be in trouble for quitting, and he said, "I don't know...they didn't tell us anything" I bought him a Greyhound ticket for that evening, let him call his mama (they wouldn't allow him to take his cell - his mom ended up reporting it stolen), hang out, watch TV, relax in the AC until it was time to catch the bus. The most infuriating part? When he didn't rejoin his group - NO ONE WENT TO LOOK FOR HIM. He told me later they never reached out to his emergency contact or anything. Luckily he met with a nice lady who got him home, but what if he'd met with danger?!? No one cared!!! He told me they visited his part of the city, and sold them all on this 'rags to riches' BS. And he fell for it, like so many of his friends. None of them made money. A few of them ended up meeting others like me who saw the scam for what it was and got them home. We're still in contact, he's a great kid who ended up in a bad situation. He's in school now to get his PA license, and I expect great things from him, he's such a talented and bright kid. I'm glad this didn't break his spirit, because I love him so much. (and I buy his books - its a little inside joke between us that since I didn't buy books from him when he was trapped in southwestern advantage, I buy them now! hee hee)

[@alexia3552]

I know I'm 2 years late to the comment, but that's a real life angel moment. You were sent on a mission to save that boy's life, no doubt about it. Thank you so much for stepping up and stepping in, you're a real one.

[@aliciamazingg]

Southwestern Advantage is blowing my mind. Looking at their wikipedia, other companies within that family seem to be just variations of MLM's. And Wikipedia warns you "This article contains content that is written like an advertisements." and "A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection to the subject" ...yikes

[@miriamthomas7859]

I did Southwestern Advantage in college my freshman year. It was horrible and definitely a cult. We had to sing and skip and chant every morning: “it’s a great day to be a book girl, it’s a great day I know. It’s a great day to be a book girl, everywhere I go. I feel happy. I feel healthy. I feel terrific. I feel great.” This is the first video I’ve seen talking about the realities of this “internship”. More anti-MLM accounts need to talk about it. I’ve definitely blocked some of the memories out.

[@Subtletext]

SOUTHWESTERN ADVANTAGE sounds appalling. Please do a deep dive on it Hannah! I'm so angry listening to this poor woman"s story. I can't believe how evil some people are. Unbelievable!!

[@miriamthomas7859]

I did and it brought back horrible memories. It’s just like she described it. More people need to talk about it.

[@rachelchapman7876]

Seriously bringing back some next levels of PTSD for me here. When I "worked" for them back in college (pre-cell phone era, I'm that old) It was called Southwestern Company. Same shitty company, same shitty products.

[@nikkilovesbooks27]

The first story brings up a HUGE issue with the foster care system. The bio mother couldn't regain custody of her child because of her financial situation, yet the foster care system will PAY someone else monthly in order to take care of that child. But heaven forbid they pay the bio mother the same amount, which seems like the biggest hurdle for her to jump through. There are so many issues with the foster care system, but this is one of the biggest issues imo. If you're willing to pay STRANGERS to take care of a displaced child, but refuse to pay the biological family the same amount in order to take care of the child, that's a problem. *this is in terms of CFS cases where finances are the issue, not Siriano where there are other issues that the child was removed for*

[@HannahAlonzo]

Yes yes yes thanks for saying that Nikki!

[@Allisonsaul]

That’s an excellent point!

[@sarahfromtexas]

Absolutely. We have local organizations that give furniture, clothes, etc to foster families but we need to make sure we are doing the same for family preservation. I wish this mom would get sound financial/career advice.

[@tuckertantrums7733]

That's a really good point you make and yes that's very messed up.

[@arianalush4529]

Never thought about it like that wow!!

[@ultraboombean]

Finding a random family to home with sounds like a huge recipe for assault- along with everything else.

[@brom0198]

I'm also watching an ex-mormon creator and forgot for a moment I was watching your anti-mlm and not her Missionary videos when hearing about swa.

[@EmotionalLemonade]

that was exactly my thought.

[@RblWOACoz1111]

I'm binging relentlessly trying to get all caught up! Algorithm, do your thing! ❤🎉❤

[@dragonflythrift]

We bought a whole set from Southwestern Advantage 2 years ago. It was over $300 and my kids have barely touched the books so it was a complete waste of money. I didn't know it was an MLM. I just felt so bad for the kid pitching to us. He wasn't even from America so I don't know how he got roped into selling for them. He even had to contact local police to put out an announcement that he wasn't a threat so people wouldn't call the police on him.

[@MamaBegail]

I believe they go to the police station first to prove that they are not a bad person that they are legitimate person. Some people are too judgmental and racist that if they see you and heard that you're from a different country they will think you're a bad person.

[@MamaBegail]

And about the books i heard that one of the purpose of having the book is for the parents as well to learn so it would be easier for the children to learn from the parents. They did not say that if you buy the book your kids will start reading but if you will set a goal for your kids to start reading their books instead of browsing on the phone, ipad, tablet or computer then maybe they would start reading the books. Just my opinion not here to argue :)

[@nom3nnescio]

​@@MamaBegail "judge mental" 😂😂😂

[@MamaBegail]

@@nom3nnescio you?😁

[@MamaBegail]

@@nom3nnescio perfectionist 😂 it was a typographical error let me rewrite it for you 😊 so you’ll have peace of mind 😘

[@Pippa87]

I just googled Southwestern advantage and one of the first questions is “is this a pyramid scheme” which southwestern claim they are not. Yelp gives them a 2.5 star average review but others give them higher. One review says, and I quote “I had multiple guns pulled on me whilst working here and the only thing they did was make me change the neighbourhood I was working in”, another says that they had to give up 40% of their sales! I’d be interested to see a deep dive

[@HannahAlonzo]

Yes a few others have pointed out that it's not *technically* an MLM or a pyramid scheme because they don't get paid to recruit apparently? I would be interested to learn more! Even if it's not technically an MLM, it's 100% a cult and super sketchy!

[@miriamthomas7859]

@@HannahAlonzo you were promoted to a manager position the following summer and got bonuses for every student you got to agree to do it the next summer. The summer after that you encourage your team to come back as managers and do the same and you would get a bonus for everyone who came back and for people that your team signed up. It’s definitely an MLM. I only did it one summer and that’s the track they had me on. I said no. Way too much trauma.

[@austincampbell801]

I remember a Southwestern advantage employee coming by my house when I was about ten. It was the dead of summer in Arizona, probably around 105-110 degrees out. I was playing with all my friends, we were used to the heat and we knew how to hydrate/how long we could stay out. Anyway, this female southwestern advantage employee comes up to my friends and I and asks where my parents were. I lied and told them they were out of town, because I thought it was weird. They then asked who else on the street had kids and when my parents would return. I told her sorry but I’m not comfortable with sharing that. She must’ve been from the Midwest or the northeast because she was not handling the heat well, but if you’re out from 7am - 9pm, I don’t how anyone could. It was such a weird encounter, it’s stuck with me for all these years. I hope that girl is doing fine and away from the company. There aren’t many jobs that come to mind that are worse than working for southwestern advantage. I can’t believe this company is allowed to operate. The no phone thing is insane to me, that’s extremely dangerous. With the amount of houses they visit, there’s going to be some very bad people. I hope they lose a bunch of money and fold.

[@davekaio5934]

So let me get this straight, peeing yourself "helps you prepare for life and marriage".. ??.. Eesh, What kind of marriages are they in?!?

[@HannahAlonzo]

Goodness gracious…. So much wrong with that story 😓

[@cassandrahernandez3852]

They don’t force you to do anything you are Litterally alone all day. This is teaching problem solving skills

[@CR3271]

Southwestern Advantage... Their books are nice. I bought a few for my kids. As you have said before, Hannah, the quality of the product is rarely the problem. When I later found out they were an MLM, I wasn't sure if I should feel bad for giving that company money, or if I should feel bad for not buying more just to support the student who was being taken advantage of. She was a college student from Estonia. Talk about taking advantage of vulnerable people! Foreign students, perfect target. Edit: Now I see just a few comments below an Estonian commenting on this issue. It is just disgusting that they're apparently targeting foreign students. That's probably how they get away with it, Hannah. Foreign students wouldn't know US labor laws. Just despicable!

[@MMHay16]

We had a student from Southwestern Advantage give us his pitch last summer. He was an exchange student FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY. I felt so bad for the guy especially because the books are SO insanely overpriced (we were new parents at the time but the price was so steep even we knew something was off). Talk about being trapped in an MLM, out of your country for the summer and you get roped into something like that? Gives me chills 😱

[@KevinEF]

Almost fell into southwestern advantage, pulled out right before buying anything. I also made sure to read anything I signed to make sure I didn't commit to anything. South western advantage wanted me to pay for my flight to the place, pay for my stay there, pay for training(maybe my recruiter wanted to take more money from me), pay for their products to sell, pay for transportation, forced people to sell door to door, and etc. So many red flags until I realized that this wasn't a job, this is a scam. South western got onto my university's campus but was not recognized by any staff. They have been banned from many campuses, but individuals from the mlm come in and recruit people quickly then leave before they get noticed and kicked out.

[@Younce_Davies]

That's soooo shady. They are preying on kids who don't understand that jobs should be paying for all that stuff if they really need you at those places. You don't pay the job, the job should pay you.

[@bekalynn1994]

Yes!! I am a person who works with vulnerable families. This makes me so sick. MLM Pruvit is now offering payment plans for their starter kits. This makes me so angry. This is just another tactic to exploit the vulnerable.

[@Lisa85]

Southwestern advantage is sure ticking off all the BITE model boxes ✔ (cat icons to accompany all comments )

[@HannahAlonzo]

Oh 100000% a cult. And I am obsessed with those emojis

[@hockeysteph]

Omg the cat emojis are adorable!!!!! Love them Hannah!!

[@HannahAlonzo]

Aren’t they the cutest??? I use them every chance I get 😂

[@kristyrussell1748]

Just in time for my walk on the treadmill! Now I have something to keep me occupied. Your downline appreciates you!

[@HannahAlonzo]

Downline 😂😂😂

[@sidology1.0]

That's a good one tbh 🤣

[@Menoetia]

If we share Hannah's videos, does that make us her downline? 🤔 I kid, I kid. I'm more than happy to tickle the algorithm so that she gets a nice paycheck; it costs me nothing.

[@angelastoker]

I just shared the Southwestern Advantage part of this video as a source on a post about this company I saw on Facebook. Thank you for your source, Hannah!

[@noprogressionisregression6854]

Southwestern advantage is not just another MLM scam. It's a lot worse than forced labor too.. They go far into the territory of abuse and I cannot imagine the long-term trauma and damage that would occur as a result. And then feeling like you have no way out. I would love to hear about any repercussions that they've had to suffer.

[@Steelfan-oe7ok]

Im here watching these videos about SWA because of an altercation with one of their "contractors" today. This company has business practices bordering criminal. The contractor knocks on my door at 8pm and insisted on coming in my home and asking questions about my children all while pretending to be associated with the school district. Long story short it took the police having to show up because i dont appreciate questions about my children from a complete stranger. Lucky for me the officers saw it from my point of view and not the salesman. Look at the BBB on SWA its endless complaints.

[@miriamthomas7859]

No repercussions. They’re one of the oldest MLM’s. I did it one summer and it was awful. I can attest to the long term trauma.

[@ravenm8623]

I really thought I wasn’t recruited for any MLM until you mentioned Southwrstrrn advantage and described it. They were allowed to recruit on our campus and I’m so glad my mom told me it sounded so crazy.

[@jac-attack]

Omg southwestern! They recruited me and I got to the interview stage as an 18 year old freshman. I was excited because wow! Someone wants me to do a job! I told my dad and he was really fishy about them and I might have pushed back but once they got to the part where you would have to find housing with some stranger, that was it for me. They also said things like "even if the family says they can't afford it, then you keep pushing", as a person from a working class family, that really bothered me. I'm just not a fan of pushing people to buy something they don't need, especially when they can't afford it. I didn't go to the second interview but they were still really pushy about it. Happy I didn't do it! I got really sick that summer they were recruiting for and I'm sure they would have tried to penalize me in some way for not working for them. That was my first brush with a scam but them and the knife company go after very very young people and I'm so mad that high schools and universities let these people on campus.

[@denellemartinez9673]

I bought the Educational program from Southwest Advantage for my kids. The books were great and helped my kids. The girl that came to my home seemed so desperate, I felt sorry for her. I had no idea how predatory they were/are.

[@aphroditesapple4580]

Omg!!!!! I've had a ton of the educational book sellers come to my door. They're ALWAYS from places like Latvia, Russia and other places in the same region. They're always college students, alone going door to door. I am always nice to them and make sure they're ok and safe. But I feel like the answer is always sugar coated and not truthful. I worry about these girls! This feels like human trafficking to me as well as MLM.

[@craft_yplanning1012]

I'm familiar with the Southwestern one. There was at least 1 year, maybe 2, where a rep or whatever from them stopped trying to sell us books since they could tell from our porch and yard we had a child. They tried telling me the neighbors recommended us (even though I knew they weren't home). I didn't let them in. They stayed on the porch as we spoke even though they tried to come in. I don't let strangers at all in my house, especially when my kid is home. That has been a while. Had no idea it was an MLM.

[@Bibibiceratops]

I would still love to watch deep dive on Southwestern Advantage!

[@Kenna002]

I'm so glad to hear someone finally talk about Southwestern Advantage. I also heard about them while I was in college, in fact they gave their pitch to one of my lectures. At first I thought it sounded like a fantastic opportunity, $10,000 over the summer and some experience? Sounds great! I remember scanning the QR code they gave us and I got a call not too long after from the person who came and spoke to us. I remember thinking how sketchy it was because the person didn't tell me their name or the name of the company when they initially called me, and they ended the call with asking me "Are you a reliable person? This is an extremely limited opportunity so we only want those who are reliable and follow through on their word..." and that was probably my biggest red flag instantly. After this I did a bit more research on them, and honestly...there's not a ton of information about them. But what I did find were countless posts on college reddit pages and r/antiMLM about them. Luckily I ghosted them the moment I saw these and haven't been bothered since, but they're a real menace of a "company". Not to mention, evidently they've been banned from several college campuses around the United States AND in Europe. I would love to see you do a deep dive of this company because they target and prey on vulnerable college students who are looking for experience and extra money. Some of the stories I've heard from people about this company are horrific and I don't think I've ever heard of a more evil company.

[@Karen-wj7tt]

I’m literally in the process of interviewing for this internship. So glad that I saw this. You should definitely do a deep dive on southwestern advantage

[@jeanieolahful]

I think sometimes some (certainly not all) recruiters are so brainwashed that they sign people up actually believing that they’re doing them a favor, and that they all are going to succeed in the end. How sad that not only would you have to feel crappy about your own failure, but the failure of the friends you recruited. Just another sad way MLMs cause harm to innocent people desperate to just make a living. Also how sad anyone in our country has to be in the position the young lady in the first story was. All she needed was a little help to get on her feet. So sad.

[@Psconners]

Southwestern Advantage sounds like part of "Devilcorp" - highly recommend Munecat's video on it - it's all over the world and each area it does business under different names.

[@Pippa87]

Oh my goodness Munecat is amazing

[@brithneynewberry]

I was just about to say the same I have a very similar story to this that I got wrapped up in when I was 20-21

[@heddabates5928]

Pretty sure the parent company is Cydcor. Local companies are all called different names....they got me selling AT&T door to door in college!!! 😭

[@brithneynewberry]

@@heddabates5928 YES!!! i’ve yet to hear anyone speak about it sent her a story about cydcor I hate that devil corp company they had me selling spectrum in walmarts

[@heddabates5928]

@@brithneynewberry Yup! Whenever I go to Walmart now and see those poor guys with their table back by the electronics I always try and talk them out of it haha

[@kristyrussell1748]

Slow clap for how you explained "vulnerability"! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@HannahAlonzo]

I feel like it’s a very important distinction to make!

[@kristyrussell1748]

I'd love to see what they come up with to combat that!

[@kristyrussell1748]

@Life, Love and Mental Illness a vlog channel 😂😂 you're probably right

[@FrighteningFettuccine]

I have 7 kids I can not even imagine the pain of having any or all taken and the constant fear of how they are being treated

[@lane6216]

Oh god, the book salesman!! In our old neighborhood in a different state, we could count on them coming through every summer. They had all the usual gross salesman tactics. One of the worst, and the last time I spoke with one, the man got angry at us when we said we weren’t interested. He crossed the street, and upon realizing they weren’t home, pee’d on their front bush! So crazy.

[@HannahAlonzo]

NO WAY! That’s insane!!

[@moarticia]

At least it makes *a little* sense now knowing he wasnt allowed to use the restroom all day long

[@MaliaRyder]

Omg i did a summer with sw advantage last summer and i had the EXACT same experience. Had to knock on NEIGHBORHOOD houses to find a place to live, the 5:59am jumping out of bed and running to our cars with the same breakfast everyday, etc literally everything. I had so many horrible things that happened over the summer and it resulted in me only making $3,500. I spent way more money than i made, if you dont have a positive attitude the whole summer you will have a bad summer. I worked my a** off and i got s/a’d and had so many car problems and so much more. The company has good parts to it but a lot of people have horrible experiences, like myself and this girl :( my boyfriend had done a summer before me and he won this mexico trip that you get if you sold over 1000 units, i went to the mexico trip w him and met all these super cool people and i decided to go out, once i was out there everyone turned into work mode and didnt care if i was going through something, they would maybe act like it for a second then act like it never happened. Theres so much more i could talk about i wish i knew which girl this was or if i met her at sales school or something:/

[@wyattmueller4148]

I’m a college athlete at a large state university, so I don’t have time to work a job during the school year. These people came into a class of mine and presented, they gave us cards to write our names down. I was not paying attention and was listening to music so I stupidly wrote my contact info down. I get a call that lasts about 30 seconds asking if I was interested in a summer internship. I go to a meeting, and in about five minutes I realize it’s a MLM. I didn’t even make it through the whole meeting, half way through they asked us what we thought. I gave an uncertain answer, just to not be rude, explaining I need to train for next season. They literally cut me off and awkwardly escort me out. I hated the cult feeling of everything, I had to take a shower when I got home. I’m upset with my university for allowing them to recruit our students, I think it’s a bad look for the school. Also, students in this program don’t learn anything useful, most of them seem to come out thinking they’re failures. I’m working on getting the school school to ban them from campus. Several other universities such as Harvard and Maryland have done so. It’s sick to exploit hardworking college students and put them in danger. There’s probably some people at the top making ridiculous money while doing practically nothing. I would really love to bring this entire company down. I really hope your video blows up, there’s a bunch of videos made by their brainwashed employees talking about how great SW advantage is. Everyone thinking of joining needs to know the truth. If they can’t find employees, then they won’t be able to do business. I can’t believe this company is allowed to operate. I really hate them and I never even worked for them.

[@amandamayfilms]

@HannahAlonzo PLEASE do a deep dive video on Southwestern Advantage!! My little community is being targeted by this company, there's a young college student going door-to-door in my neighborhood and I'm already seeing neighbours and friends getting sucked into it!!! He's even taking selfies with people and then POSTING them online and getting them to share his posts on THEIR OWN social media! Like WHAT.

[@emory5533]

I need to find a deep dive on southwestern advantage now

[@HannahAlonzo]

Same!! 😂 or create one!

[@bethany9022]

@@HannahAlonzo create one!!!! We need it ♥️♥️♥️

[@lauramickow5823]

@@HannahAlonzo You really should! I would love to see it.

[@dakotariverwind1017]

@@HannahAlonzo I just looked up the BBB site for Southwestern Advantage and the BBB says there are so many complaints that they can only show 40% on the page (even after you load additional complaints). The company loves to respond to cancellation requests by saying "the student is an independent contractor running their own business to put themselves through school and we are only a third party to the transaction." Sound familiar?

[@katlink8376]

Southwestern...oh boy...I live in Estonia and in 2015 a girl I knew tried to recruit me into her team. I was on my last year of uni and was about to graduate in the summer. When I said that the commitee will discuss my thesis in May then she said that maybe they are willing to do an exeption for me and gather earlier. Excuse me, what? I told her even though she tried different techniques to get me into her team and in the end also asked for my friends' numbers to call them. The brainwashing is strong with them. A friend of mine actually went to the US to sell books and before he went I told him not to get brainwashed. When he returned he was a completely different person. People who have participated in this also say that not everyone earn thousands and some only earn enough to buy a plane ticket back home.

[@Nesyaishere]

11:36 i started to see another pattern here, they are recruiting people who is already at a good position in a job, like in school they recruited the professor, in food chain they recruited the manager (this was in one of your video as well, i forgot which one tho) so that they can easily get someone to be recruited as they already have 'pool of people' under them

[@Nesyaishere]

19:10 this is cruel, but as cruel as it is, 'training' like this happened a lot especially where i lived, of course they pack it as another activity not necessarily running while carrying a backpack full of books but you get the idea. Where i lived you need to do something like this if you are a junior in college (we have no sophomore system, so junior is the earliest stage of the school whether it be highschool or college or in job situation), usually it's on orientation days(which you're suppose to know your campus environment, get to know your friend, your senior etc) it's the time where you're not taking/starting any classes yet, your senior also get to trick the junior as well during the orientation days. Some news have also been reported about some 'unfortunate incident' when the orientation was held. Students died, traumatized, stressed out, passing out during the process. But it's keep happening again and again like we never learn anything. Some officials working for the government also do that training, usually the training rolling on mud etc before they officially become the official, which the more and more im thinking about it, that's so military like. Sorry if i miss some grammar rule as english is not my first language 🌱

[@jenniferostenson8101]

Yes, I did the Southwestern book selling and it was horrible. I was almost raped and my "supervisor" blamed me for it. I quit shortly after and took a greyhound bus home.

[@ultraboombean]

Holy crap!!! That is so dangerous. So greedy- they want more door coverage so they won't allow people to work together.

[@z1nawarriorprincess]

I was in it too and horrible and traumatizing. The mental and emotion abuse that was just excused as “preparing us for marriage” and “helping us build character” was unacceptable. I just didn’t realize it until I was removed from the situation. I didn’t stay the whole summer. After a month, I knew it was time for me to go. It took me months (nearly a year) to get my mental health back to somewhat normal. (And all of the friends I made plus majority of my roommates ended up leave when I did. I think that says a lot.)

[@MercedesMermaid]

I want to say there is a true crime doc on a young couple who got pulled into southwestern and disappeared!!!! If not both the girl disappeared. It might have been on Disappeared by ID. VERY SCARY

[@Allisonsaul]

Southwestern (Take) Advantage makes Dr. Phil’s “ranch” sound like a holiday!! I’m absolutely shocked. There is NO WAY that’s legal and if that’s still operating, we need to mass report. I wonder if this exposure could bring more victims forward for some kind of class action litigation.

[@Steelfan-oe7ok]

They are still operating. I had an altercation with one of their salesman today.

[@miriamthomas7859]

I did it for a summer. It was horrible. I met some nice families that realized it was horrible and spoke with a lawyer. He wanted to start a class action lawsuit against them, but I had just had the worst summer of my life and people told me not to get involved. I’m glad I only did it for one summer. It was crazy. I broke down multiple times. Sometimes I feel bad that I didn’t pursue the class action lawsuit. They are one of the oldest MLM’s, if not the oldest.

[@sararay2670]

Looking back, I'm pretty sure I encountered a SW Advantage rep a few summers ago. I was living in a small town at the time and I was home alone one Saturday afternoon with my toddler. The neighbor kids would always throw their football into our backyard and it was customary for them to knock out ring the door bell to ask permission to go get their ball from our yard. I heard someone knock this particular day and assumed it was the neighbor kids, but to my surprise it was a gentleman, likely in his 20's trying to pitch me kids books. He tried to invite himself in to further the pitch but I refused. So he proceeded to talk my ear off in my doorway for 15 minutes before finally leaving. The whole interaction made me very uncomfortable. Mostly because I was home alone, but also because he was halfway unwilling to take no for an answer. He was foreign, I forget from which European country, so I chalked it up to that, and I don't remember the company he said he was with, but thinking about it now, it had to be SW Advantage. I'm realizing how deep he was in this life and now my heart breaks for him and people like him who were so desperate or mislead to agree to doing this with their summers.

[@yabbadabble4033]

You truly are so sweet and come off as nonjudgmental when delving into the mlms and huns, I really enjoy your content! Thank you for being a content creator 💚

[@sunnyscott4876]

And without anger, aggressiveness and profanity.

[@ForestLadyForever]

I am so glad that someone shared about their horrendous experience with Southwest Advantage. This story gives me more compassion for those poor, college kid sales reps. One comes to my door every summer. (A neighbor oh-so-helpfully pointed out our house as being one with small children.) The sales reps are so aggressive. They want to come into our house, and I have felt like I almost have to crowd them out of the doorway and slam the door in the faces in order to make them leave. It creeps me out, honestly. While I will still be disturbed by these kinds of interactions, this gives me insight on what these poor kids are going through. Next time, if they agree to stop pitching to me, I can ask them if they need a snack or some water.

[@Jenna2k]

Maybe help them get out.

[@samanthawoolford234]

I’m a CPS worker, I would have absolutely told that mom that an MLM would not fly. But, at least in our county, we don’t remove kids for poverty. We even do safety plans in homeless shelters.

[@chronischgeheilt]

If Southwestern Advantage isn't a cult, I don't know what is.

[@Anna-Rose-]

Southwestern Advantage: How would they know if you took your cellphone inside with you? How would they know if you stopped at a gas station or store to use the rest room? I would've been fired the first day because I'd do it anyway. They cannot dictate where I have my phone or where I use the restroom.

[@z1nawarriorprincess]

This is really old but as a former member of the SWA cult, they know where we are because of the app we’re supposed to use. It’s been 2 years so I’m sure if they still use it or not but the app tracked our location. There was a number of times someone had made snide comments to me about how long I was at a house and I didn’t realize it was because they could literally see my location in real time.

[@dahliacheung6020]

I really love the way you tell people who say they feel like they failed that they shouldn't feel that way as they did exactly what the business model was set up for them to do.

[@SpirituallyInspired]

My husband is talking to a girl from Southwestern Advantage at our door RIGHT NOW. she's from Poland here for an "internship" and I am about to wake up my infant so he'll cry and give my husband an out from talking to her...I told him not to answer the door but he did anyway. It screams scam and played out exactly as outlined in this video

[@jazlinramirez8828]

Literally had a monat rep in my dms!! I just was following along to see what her reaction would be and man they are so pushy about promoting their products. Under that girl’s following page.. saw other monat huns, repeating the same phrases to promote their business like most business require tríal and error… no one can become a “millionaire” within 2 to 3 years. And many of them are college dropouts… what happens if you want to study for a career and make earnable income without scamming people. The many times I’ve been pressured to join is alarming!! I’ve binge watching these videos and love how informational you are.

[@elizabethmortensen2470]

I love watching your videos while I clean or while I bake cookies. Which is exactly what I am doing right now. It’s honestly getting me through this day😅

[@ashleyj97]

You bring up an interesting point about those who prey on others for the MLMs. It's important to remember that most MLMs employ cult-like tactics to keep you in the group (manipulation/brainwashing being the most common). These tactics are incredibly powerful. MLMs (and cults in general) are designed to strip away your individuality, make you dependent on the group, give you a new sense of identity and purpose, which causes you to do things you wouldn't normally have done. We have to remember that those who recruit are victims of this system, just as much as those who have left. Thank you for shedding light on this, and thank you for making these videos.

[@tolusogunro8783]

I did Southwestern almost 20 years ago. They never told us “no phones” however they did tell us “if you don’t use your phone during work hours, we will give you an extra $100 in your final check”.

[@battlecat6766]

This is bringing back memories of a company I ‘worked’ for selling charity subscriptions- we were working in quite a rural area and we were a small team of I think 5 of us (1 car full of people) and as we were working an animal charity I had a 12 gauge shotgun pulled in my face and told to eff off and stop messing with his hunts (this was in the uk about 9/10 years ago and the charity was known to disrupt illegal fox hunts) I should write it all down and send it over to you as listening to you read other’s experiences is bringing it all back… absolutely nuts 😅 love your videos and the cat butts 😂 xx

[@Siriastimeflies]

I often have scammy ads on anti-MLM videos but the ads.on this one have been exceptionnally so.

[@HannahAlonzo]

That happens sometimes! Just the KZbin algorithm's way of trying to match ads to videos of the same topic.

[@Siriastimeflies]

@@HannahAlonzo I know! I actually kind of love how these scammers pay for content like yours that aims to defeat them ^^ And it played doubly in your favor, since they were so blatantly similar to the schemes you denounce that I watched them in full, hehe.

[@ScarlettKay494]

I am speechless on the Southwestern Advantage story. Wow, just wow.

[@HannahAlonzo]

Almost unbelievable, right???

[@jessiedarrelljarbadan7326]

Whoa… that book one is just… wow. Definitely a cult. I hope you do a deep dive! Love your delivery style and how kind and compassionate you are.

[@Shan-ShanH]

For the love of God, what parents out there are letting their children go overseas for an MLM job?

[@Shingo-ok1lz]

Most of the time, people aren't. If you talking about in general with Southwestern Advantage what happens is people come here for school but then summer comes around and since they don't have the correct Visa they can't actually work a job so things like Southwest advantage will be like "Hey! You! You can work with us and earn some money. Totally... Trust us." Then they leave them basically stranded so they have to rely on the company and kind strangers which leaves them vulnerable and dependent so they keep doing what the MLM wants because they feel unsafe and don't really have much of a choice because the sunk cost fallacy is a pain in decision making. The story in this video is like crazy af crazy.

[@neurotika]

I KNOW SOUTHWESTERN ADVANTAGE! They came by my house last year and they were RELENTLESS!

[@dorothypersons79]

I had no idea about southwest advantage!! I've bought books from them for my kids from one university student and have had another student come to my door recently. Scary part of hearing the story is that both students were foreigners, from Estonia, working toward/for a scholarship program. To think of what they were possibly actually going through is terrifying!! Both of them were the sweetest people.

[@Baby.Annihilation]

When I was with my ex boyfriend we were sitting watching TV one day when someone knocked on the door. He answers and it was a random college kid. Next thing I know, he slips outside and disappears for an hour. He popped in once to grab his wallet and I was immediately sketched out. He had finally come back inside and had a pamphlet and some other info with him. He tells me how excited that he was because he just purchased a ton of books for his son. My red flags immediately went up but my ex wasn't very smart. When I said told him the whole thing was sus, he made me feel stupid. The company? Southwestern advantage.

[@crystalm0mmie]

I just hopped off a recruitment call from Southwestern after a friend recommended it to me. Glad I did a little search, this is awful. Shoulda known they wrong when he unironically quoted Elon Musk

[@amandafangman]

CULT! Yes, a CULT! This sounds like the exact dynamic of the magazine crew I was on years ago. Thankfully I'm pretty sure mag crews are a thing of the past, but it pisses me off to know there are other sales crews out there trafficking young adults and f***ing with their minds. I've been out of the mag crew for 11 years and I still deal with the psychological aftermath. I hope the person who shared the Cutco/SWAdv stories has been able to heal their mind and heart (and the other story authors as well.)

[@raychul33]

As part of your newly formed downline, I hope I don’t have to write any horror stories about you to send in 🤣

[@HannahAlonzo]

OMG 😂 please write me a story about how I’m the worst upline ever I would die

[@raychul33]

@@HannahAlonzo 🤣🤣

[@AChickandaDuck]

The Southwestern Advantage thing sounds weirdly similar to what I experienced as a Mormon missionary.

[@HannahAlonzo]

You know, I don’t disagree… I’ve never been on a mission but my husband was raised Mormon and I have several friends who served missions. Lots of similarities for sure!

[@PhantomRolePlayer]

I popped into the comments to say the same thing! I served a LDS mission almost ten years ago and only recently have I began to realize that everything about mission life is straight out of the BITE model, and hearing how this company applied the same sort of thing (but no buddy system) made me feel kind of sick. 🤢

[@AChickandaDuck]

@@PhantomRolePlayer it’s quite an experience isn’t it? I’m on the fence as to whether Mormonism as whole qualifies as a cult, but the mission experience definitely does. The separation from friends and family, not doing anything that makes you unique in any way, breaking down your personality until all that’s left is the church, right down to your name. It can be so damaging.

[@jaeydnheeren]

in my opinion, mormonism does absolutely work like a cult. theres a lot of documentaries out there on hulu and youtube detailing the horrors of the mormon church. child brides, multiple wives, paying the church so much money and NEVER seeing a return in any way with genuine services or function, the mentality of perfection and creating the ‘perfect nuclear family’ with a big home…honestly the 8 passengers family was a pretty good depiction of the mormon church and how its ideals create such disdain and hatred. not to mention the sheer amount of cults that have been birthed from mormonism and mormon leaders. the amount of abuse that happens and being told to never talk about it. im sure there are singular churches within the mormon religion that may be fine, but when the majority of public and private stories are filled with such horrific displays of misogyny, predator protection, abuse, and exploitation…its hard for me to believe most organized religions arent cults, just on a more socially acceptable scale. i didnt grow up mormon, but there was a period of time i HAD to go to church until i legit had a screaming match with my parents about how they cant force me to. i’ve always been very against being forced to do things, even from a young age and spoke out actively about it especially with my parents.

[@efolinsky]

I've heard stories from people in the Unification Church aka the Moonies and it sounds almost exactly like Southwest Advantage Story for a certain teen program they had

[@LulaWestLuxe]

I know this is an old episode, but I have to comment on how dangerous companies like Southwestern Advantage are, ESPECIALLY for students and young adults. This story immediately reminded me of the mur der of Jennifer Hammond who disappeared in 2003 while selling magazines door-to-door and her remains were discovered years later. Her kil ler was never found. The company Jennifer was working for was called Atlantic Circulation. I’m not sure if that company is/was an MLM but the whole thing sounds VERY similar to Southwestern Advantage. If you’re interested to learn more, listen to the podcast “The Deck.” Their episode “Jennifer Moonbeam Hammond and Christina White” covers her case in depth.

[@damienbarks2896]

just had these people come to my door and i’m so irritated about it. i can literally go to the library for free for my child to learn tf.

[@hannahleon2074]

The Southwestern Advantage story stressed me out, reminds me of when I was an accountant at an MLM, should I send in my story?

[@jaeydnheeren]

YES!!

[@whatisheartscont2be645]

Thank you for sharing the story about SWA. I am from Eastern Europe, and been in contact with SWA but thankfully didn't take part of this summer program. I have a theory, that the reason why you Americans haven't heard about this company, because SWA nowadays prays more on exhange students from other countries. As far as I know many USA Universities don't allow them to recruit students. Maybe? If somebody can correct me, then please do. Of course there are local American students as well doing this program but they seem to be less and less. We are for them more cheap and obedient labor than local people it seems. For me it is a big surprise that Americans don't know much about this company, its origins are even from the 19th century. Please do a deep dive into SouthWestern Advantage, I am very curious.

[@EmilyJeanBlatt]

This first one is so devastating 😞

[@HannahAlonzo]

Yes 💔

[@cretnotonic]

I'm just finding these now and I love watching these. I'm working my way down the playlist and I'm thoroughly entertained by all the stories.

[@CarboneCat]

For the first story, Paparazzi has proven over and over again that’s they are one of the worst MLM, not that the bar is very high but yeah. And Cutco, my younger brother had been recruited by it the same way as described. And it was back in the late 1990- early 2000s era. So the method didactic changed at all. My parents bought some knives out of sympathy. They are of good quality but waaaaaaaay to expensive.

[@Thatbadgirl29]

My nephew worked for Cutco during that time frame. I took bought knives to support. I still have them and they are very nice! 😊

[@mazzyfennell2767]

Do a deep dive on Southwestern Advantage!

[@Awesomenezz]

I think I had one of these Advantage college students knocked on my door and come into my apartment selling some cleaning supplies. They looked horrible. I asked her if she was ok and ended up asking if she could take a nap on my couch! I was shocked at the audacity but if you could have seen this poor girl, you would of said yes too. She asked for an hour and I felt bad waking her up after only an hour. She said thank you and said her ride would be coming to pick them all up anytime. I have been told I have a very, idk trusting aura(?) people tend to open up to me which is why she even asked, or because I was the first one that actually noticed her eye bags 🤷‍♀️

[@melaninandaura9713]

Detoxing from true crime and these kinds of videos are a good middle ground for my traumatized mind. Still got that “caught the bad guy” vibe while not being life changing Ky devestating

[@brittneydinn]

I came back to this video because this is what tipped me off about Southwestern Advantage! Their rep came to our house and many neighbor’s yesterday at 9am and back again at 9pm. I recognized the name right away! I didn’t answer the door but heard him on my camera reading off a list of many of my neighbor’s names to whoever he was on the phone to while waiting. It’s really frustrating they’re allowed to have these college kids out at such dangerous hours!

[@meaghannemack82]

The southwest advantage story made me realize we bought some books from them!! We had an international student show up at our house a few years ago(pre-covid) during the summer and showed us these books that "would be so useful for our kids". I don't remember how much my bf paid for them but they were pretty pricey. Oh man I didn't realize they were an MLM. The student was super nice and not terribly pushy but she still managed to talk Us into paying more than I would have for math homework reference books online or at a book store.

[@SavannahWolfieStudio]

I've been binging these (out of order) on my commute to and from work, and while listening to this video I looked over and saw a car with a Mary Kay advertisement vinyled onto the back window. THEYRE EVERYWHERE. WE CANT ESCAPE.

[@IamMe11200]

i found this video while googling southwestern advantage and i can tell you it's still, unfortunately, going strong. my boyfriend's classmate tried to pitch it to him just days ago. we're university students in estonia. as many have pointed out, it's somewhat popular here. i think it's because the wages are so low and many estonians admire the US. everything about his pitch screamed shady MLM to us: recruiting, being vague about the business model and what they're selling, having to pay for materials, "it's not for everyone, you have to work really hard but you could make sooo much money", it's a "great business opportunity", "get out of your comfort zone", etc... my boyfriend tried to tell him it doesn't sound legitimate, but he was somewhat lost in the sauce. southwestern advantage is disgusting.

[@roguestowl2280]

I’ve never heard of that book mlm. All of that is shocking.

[@reggie7956]

Another tactic that southwestern advantage uses is to introduce themselves to local law enforcement before soliciting so when the calls come in from the public, the police will reassure them that the “salesman” is legitimate. In our area, they also post a FB picture with the local school administrators to seem more legit.

[@polarbearzonthemoon]

Omg! You are the first KZbin to mention SW advantage.

[@itsAngiAKAlovejunkie]

I have lived in Nashville for 13.5 years and I wondered if they are headquartered here or if they have conventions here, so I googled it. The headquarters is 5 miles away from me and I have never heard of them at all. I feel like that has to be on purpose and they must be hiding in plain sight. P.S. definitely look into their subsidiaries too! I just clicked on them to see if they were familiar either, (they aren’t), but I feel like there’s something else going on with the school fundraiser aspect of it. Like when we all sold Christmas wrapping paper and candy bars in school, were we working for these people?!

[@Yapper481]

Oh. My. God. Yesterday I came home to a guy from Malesia waiting in front of my house. We talked for a few minutes and he asked me if I had kids, showed me some books etc. He was very nice and talked to me about his studies… I JUST REALIZED HE WAS FROM SOUTHWESTEN. I didn’t even realized!!!! That guy looked exhausted!!

[@h0llasamantha]

Good news and bad news. Good news, BOO closed. BAD NEWS , the well known beauty line L’occitane is going down the MLM route. They own LimeLife but also brands like Elemis. They are also buying out smaller brands too. They recently purchased about 80% of Sol de Janeiro, a body care line I absolutely love and will now have to replace with something else. 🥺

[@kristinludwig3369]

So turns out a friend of mine called the police on a southwestern advantage book seller! Untill now we had no idea what she was doing! The woman/girl that came to her door spoke very little English and basically tried to force her way into my friends house after she had told her no to buying books. My friend has two small children and she thought this person was possibly in a human trafficking ring. Mainly because after she managed to push this woman out of her house the girl RAN back to her car and SPED away; So she did call the police on her. Apparently my friend was not the only one who experienced this and was made uncomfortable by it, but I have no idea if she was ever confronted by it.

[@Mouthymensch]

Debating on whether I should submit my cutco story because I thought it wasn’t a true mlm/ scam… until I saw this video!

[@Datasavingmode]

Köszönjük!

[@markushuang9965]

Almost got recruited when I was a freshman in college. Thankfully I did a deeper dive on them and quickly bailed and blocked the recruiter the next day

[@shannons9963]

Ugh, my poor daughter was recruited by cutco, I told her to run…but she has to learn everything her own way, which is always the hard way. She did make a little moment (it was during the beginning of the pandemic and in lockdown” so they literally wanted her to try and sell knives she has never, seen nor used, over the phone and on video calls. So gross, luckily she did not lose any money made a few hundred bucks (signing incentive as I believe they were super desperate) and got out just as fast as she got in. I hate that company and I cannot for the life of me believe that they have been around for so long 😳