Happy Hour #11 - Star Trek III: The Search for Spock (feat. Bowlestrek)

[@bornin6473]

"His was the most ... human" One of the best lines in ST and Shatner does it perfectly

[@TWGarg]

But isn’t that an insult to a Vulcan? That line has always rubbed me the wrong way. Kirk said “everybody’s human” in UC, I think, and Spock said he found that insulting.

[@tonebone7449]

@@TWGarg That was the whole point... it took someone not a hundred percent human to teach him about humanity. And, remember Spock is half human.

[@TWGarg]

@@tonebone7449 I never thought of it that way. I like that!

[@mderossett01]

I was barely holding it together after Spock’s death scene so when Kirk’s voice broke during the eulogy I couldn’t hold back the tears! And to this day that scene still gets me emotional.

[@DoctorDave5]

Gets me every time 😢

[@paulcasey8462]

SAREK: But at what cost? Your ship. Your son. KIRK: If I hadn't tried, ...the cost would have been my soul. Best movie of the lot. The price of friendship and sacrifice. The makers of Picard and recent 'Trek' should endure the Ludovico Technique till the penny drops.

[@thekcsugethe_kc_suge7930]

Knowing Shatner and Nimoy had a tumultuous real life relationship makes their on screen relationship as the characters even better and shows how good they are as actors

[@RicardoAGuitar]

I wish more people would realize such relationships weren't all bad. Some people would see that word and assume it was toxic or antagonistic; I believe they were great friends who clashed at times, and that's okay. Not ideal, perhaps, but still a friendship spanning decades.

[@DS94everXev]

@@RicardoAGuitar Yeah I agree with this assessment. Look at how the two treated one another later in life. If they didn't like one another then they would not interact respond etc to the other now that they don't have to work with one another. For evidence look no further than Shatners comments about Nimoy when he was nearing death and afterwards. If he didn't like Nimoy he need not say anything.

[@CeeLiberty]

Read the wonderful book Leonard by William shatner published right after Nemo's death. That will give you all you need to know about the very interesting friendship they had for 50 years.

[@colinewan2320]

The Enterprise died as a shooting star. What a scene. Then later on when Sarek asks Kirk "But at what COST? Your Ship. Your Son." That brings home just what Kirk has sacrificed, for his friend.

[@S4ns]

If I ever have to kick an enemy off a cliff, I'm doing it the same way Kirk did.

[@KH4444444444N]

I'd do it to Michael Burnham and Alex Kurtzman. two boots, simultaneously. Because I have had enough of them both.

[@easygrin1127]

Remember this and try recall when you went wrong... when instead your hanging from a cliff and your enemy is shouting I....Have had....Enough...Of You!!!

[@rickyshiffer1519]

Anyone who didn't notice: that's what Satan said to Saddam Hussein in South Park the movie.

[@JoshuaKevinPerry]

The more you review Star Trek, the more you realize how bad everything in pop culture has become.

[@charlesfaure1189]

What are you talking about? Pop culture has always sucked. The average television viewer is a fkking idiot (that's the premise on which the whole advertising industry is based.) I was a kid when Star Trek came out in 1966. Perhaps you should remember that Trek was cancelled after three seasons?

[@allowableman2]

I think it's always been that way it's just more obvious then ever

[@stephenhartley2853]

@@charlesfaure1189 im not sure how a watchable tv series getting cancelled proves that old tv was just a shit. surely that just shows that tv air time was worth more back then cause shows were actually good, if it was still the 60's star trek discovery wouldn't have even made it past conception.

[@OpenMawProductions]

@@charlesfaure1189 Spoken like a boomer. Your opinion sucks. Things were better. Just a matter of a decade ago things were better. The people running media these days are TERRIBLE at being creative in even the most basic ways.

[@rockwelltn1637]

ST3 is my go to ST movie. I never get tired of it. If I had to pick one movie to watch before I die, it would be this one.

[@Gunleaver]

Regarding McCoy as Spock's "second best friend" in the episode "Amok Time" where the whole "Pon Farr" concept was introduced, the Enterprise went to Vulcan to get Spock through the crisis. He had to attend a ceremony that was something like a marriage service and he explained that he has the right to have his closest friends with him, and he asks Kirk, who is all "of course," and then Spock turns to McCoy and asks him to attend as well. So it's pretty much absolutely canon, and stated explicitly by Spock that McCoy IS one of his best friends.

[@thekcsugethe_kc_suge7930]

That’s one of the biggest myths in Hollywood. Shatner is not a bad actor. He’s actually a good actor. You wanna watch him. That makes a good actor

[@thekcsugethe_kc_suge7930]

@Jangler333 I like Paul Lynd. Yes he was a great comic actor I loved watching

[@thekcsugethe_kc_suge7930]

@chaoszieg he was on that show Boston Legal or something like that. I seem to remember he got good reviews for that

[@ute.fritzkowski]

Depends on how you define a good actor. He is very good at playing William Shatner, which makes him perfect for everything demanding that. But he is not versatile, which makes him pretty useless for everything that isn't his style. There are a lot of actors like that, no shame. They are just highly dependend on being cast for the right roles. The "real" type of actor can play everything, so you forget completely who he is and only see the character they play. Tilda Swinton is brilliant in this, for example. Maybe the former kind should be called performer rather than actor.

[@aurorauplinks]

@@ute.fritzkowski have you read the wheel of time series by robert jordan?

[@jakublulek3261]

He is a great actor when he feels like it. When his ego isn't in his way, he can be really good.

[@TheSchaef47]

1:52:50 what I love about this scene is Kirk asks for one minute, and Kruge gives him two minutes, to really twist the knife and remind him who is running these negotiations.

[@RicardoAGuitar]

The undisputed champion of the odd-numbered TOS movies.

[@beardedbjorn5520]

Without a doubt

[@SpartyCubsFan]

One of my great childhood memories is seeing this movie in the theatre, and of course, getting the glass collector cup showing the Enterprise’s destruction at Taco Bell, if memory serves

[@paulsweningson6261]

I had those two. My favorite was the Enterprise glass

[@1-7-0-1]

Ohhhhh Yeah, Burger King, And I Still Have A Few! 🖖

[@derekmcmanus8615]

How did I miss this live? Damn you KZbin and your notification shenanigans! Two of the best KZbin critics out there!

[@THEremiXFACTOR]

You guys are completely right about the decline of Hollywood cinema. I'm glad you mentioned Joker because to me that felt more like a film from the 70s/80s. It focused on a single character and took it's time. The vast majority of current cinema is utter shite and not worth wasting any time on. Back in the 80s Star Trek 3 was considered an average film, but now it looks like great filmmaking and miles ahead of the crap being churned out today.

[@JMUDoc]

George Takei _hated_ the "Don't call me "Tiny"" line, but Bennet told him to wait for the test screenings. The audience went mental, and Takei immediately changed his tune :)

[@jakublulek3261]

Not only Shatner had an ego to bruise. I used to think about George Takei as a greater man but he went mental in 2000s. After he did Red Alert 3, he lost most of his credibility for me.

[@Bjorick]

@@jakublulek3261 he was always like that, i believe - at first, people gave him the benefit of the doubt but he complained about everything endlessly

[@MrEFace]

I enjoy the shows you do. You are a natural at this. Better than anything on current TV or Hollywood. Watch your stuff all the time. You rock bro . Stay up and stay strong .

[@bluemarlin8138]

Probably the only good thing about JJ Trek is that it may have revived some interest in the original series/movies among younger viewers and showed them how much better the originals are.

[@g0nkdroid]

I watched this movie when I was 7 in black and white because our VHS player had problems with the connection to the tv so I REALLY appreciated what I was seeing. When I finally saw it in colour it blew me away all over again there is SO much to love in this movie. It has the best tone of all the star trek movies - I love the sinister feel this movie has all the way through it, movies today have lost that sense of tension. The designs were sooo cool the way they shoot the Enterprise is just majestic. Favourite movie of all time for me, Cheers for the analysis Drinker, clank my glass to you buddy.

[@thundergodcid960]

Kirstie Alley was a much hotter Saavik. Like I’d believe a teenage Spock would’ve jumped that in a second, Pon Farr or not.

[@your.dark.lord.]

True, she was the hottest by far

[@KevTCC]

Only caught the first 1/3rd of this last night but watching now. I'm loving this series. My wife and I watched Face/Off last week after I listened to this and we laughed our butts off at it all the way through. I hadn't seen it since it came out.

[@psxhacker7298]

Same here, amazing movie, and even greater soundtrack !! Hail Drinker !!!

[@akilbryan8937]

Kirk leaves his leather jacket on David. His red jacket is used to cover Spock, so when he beamed up with Spock, he took it with them

[@iconbearer]

I first saw this film back in the 80's and wasn't a big fan of it back then but now im older i appreciate it much more.

[@simmo1024]

Of course, Kirstie Allie wanted more money. At that point she thought she was the replacement for Nimoy. Kirstie Allie is best Saavik.

[@JMUDoc]

I've read that it wasn't Allie that wanted more money, but that her agent demanded more money without Allie's knowledge.

[@jamesgoss1860]

48:40 as "Woman in Cafeteria" she has rank of commander, but she's not specifically Rand. However, in Star Trek VI, Rand is a lieutenant, not ensign.

[@thekcsugethe_kc_suge7930]

Christopher Lloyd is great in this. This Trek freaked me out for some reason

[@samieltheinfamous]

Check him out in Things To Do In Denver When You're Dead.

[@easygrin1127]

The moment when he crushes the space worm with his bare hands..

[@your.dark.lord.]

Yep he's terrifying

[@lynngreen7978]

And John Laroquette played Maltz. Another great comedic actor in a dramatic role.

[@fluttershystayshigh4202]

Drinker you are like my only outlet now for an escape from politics, GOD bless you mate.

[@bellicose4653]

You serious? Half of what he talks about is politics.

[@michaeldavis2001]

Just out of interest, the scene in Superman where Lois sees Clark running by the train and no one believes her, her parents were played by the original Lois and Clark from the TV show (before George Reeve).

[@depstein1014]

Because I'm a nerd, I read the Kirk and Picard autobiographies. In the Kirk one, there's a section where he is explaining to Dr. Marcus what happened to David over subspace. It ends with him saying that she never spoke to him again.

[@annalivia1308]

The strange thing is that with the current Star Trek which is seriously lacking the Star Trek from TOS to ENT gets more and more relevant, including the lesser movies even. This is a positive effect. The universe gets more and more rounded, you have time to let it sink in and you see things you did not see before - and you realize that this Star Trek is here to stay. The new Star Trek is just fast food.

[@briankim1098]

When you’re discussing Final Frontier, I’d love to hear you talk to Doomcock and ask him about his view of looking at V as a dream.

[@beardedbjorn5520]

I’ve been slowly making my way through the Star Trek films so I can keep up with these podcast. Finished the 5th film recently. The best so far for me, unsurprisingly, has been The wrath of Khan. But my favourite so far has been A Voyage Home. There’s just something about Chekhov walking around asking the police where the nuclear submarine are that made me crumple over with laughter.

[@mrjones29]

What you say here perfectly points to my view that Bowlestrek is wrong in claiming Search for Spock the best ever Trek film. You said Khan is the best but also stating Voyage is your personal favourite to watch, that's what Bowlestrek misses on understanding.

[@beardedbjorn5520]

@@mrjones29 Yeah I agree with you there. I haven't seen 6 yet, so I'll see if any of my opinions change after that wayching.

[@jakublulek3261]

From my experience, Voyage Home works for non-Trek fans because it is very different from the other movies before (and after, kinda) and it's more comedic and approachable. It is a fine movie but I generally hate this kind of time-travel premise, so not my top choice. My girlfriend adores Wrath of Khan and I am inclined to be the same way, also because I saw that movie so many times (It always goes: "Hey, I want to watch Roman Holiday!" "Alright, but only if we watch Wrath of Khan!" And I love Roman Holiday, so Wrath of Khan is a staple in our household). When I want to show Star Trek to my parents, I choose Voyage Home. None of our friends are into Star Trek, so Voyage Home works for them. I really like Star Trek VI, that would probably be my number 2, than Star Trek III, than V, than IV, than The Slow Motion Picture and all TNG movies after that.

[@Greg87601]

I really love hearing about Star Trek 3: The Search for Spock.

[@peterjohnson8935]

If anything is worth stealing....its the Enterprise.

[@stevenkelley6284]

Thanks for the "threads" recommendation, I'm going to check it out, seems like a movie right up my alley! Love all the work you guys are doing, please keep it up, it means a lot to a lot of us stuck at home these days.

[@lynngreen7978]

I don't think the Galactic Peace Talks were setting up for ST6. Rather they were mirroring the various summits between Reagan and however was Soviet Premier this week. Andropov, Breshnev, etc.

[@twentysevenlitres]

I too think this film is underrated and deserves higher accolades than it receives. Sulu's desire for the Excelsior is a bit of a reference to a deleted scene from TWoK where he had either been given or was being considered for command of Excelsior. Which of course was then realised in ST VI. One thing I always find odd in the 'Stealing the Enterprise' scene is that the Impulse engines are the big trapezoid shaped things perched on the back of the Enterprise's saucer. Yet when reversing out of Spacedock, Kirk orders "add one quarter impulse power"...

[@easygrin1127]

I can so totally agree with these gentlemen. I really love all the original movies.. even the motion picture was ok.. but the rest is just super

[@inblackestnight9256]

I honestly liked the new Saavik, but having Carol Marcus there instead would've been a great idea. "You're always preparing. Just go!"

[@o00nemesis00o]

Sir! Hadn't you better sit down?

[@PunksterOS]

They needed someone to teach young Spock, Carol Marcus wouldn't have worked.

[@bluntman5312]

There was nothing wrong at all with Robin Curtis, but the crush my teenage self had on Kirstie made me biased.

[@darthdrezz9237]

Odd man here. I love the motion picture.

[@ChancreSaurusRex]

Old city station is on Earth. In the novelization, she fled to the Vulcan embassy with Federation security on her tail and was granted asylum on the doorstep by Sarek himself. In the soundtrack there is a short clip of tense music in between the beam out and restarting the Enterprise in space dock.

[@Yusuke_Denton]

Soundstage scenes feel cozy because it's like they usually did it on the TV shows.

[@eliotduke1753]

When the crew left for Genesis they didnt know Spock was even alive. They were going to retrieve his body so he could have a proper burial. That's how much they cared about their friend.

[@TheSlysterII]

Great video, and great panel, thanks for this guys.

[@thisismedgr]

In the novel, Uhura had to leg it to the Vulcan Embassy where Sarek and his staff were waiting. He exercised diplomatic privilege to keep the Federation guards off the grounds or risk a diplomatic slight against Vulcan. Nobody suspected him of anything other than preventing Federation security from arresting her.

[@miller-joel]

2:28:30 Also, there's the little detail that saving the world in Voyage Home restores Kirk's command and saves everyone else's careers.

[@lynngreen7978]

The novelization really adds to the decision to mutiny. Captain Sulu is giving up any chance of getting Excelsior back. He and Chekov are giving up relationships and potential families (Sulu would have to now be retconned since his daughter would be ten or so now). Likewise we see what Scotty and Uhura are giving up.

[@iamjoshdealwithit]

Can we have another collaboration with the Overlord?

[@thundergodcid960]

The thing about Carrol Marcus is that she was supposed to be involved in some way with the movie, but the actress herself was huge activist against Nuclear power, and when she found about the whole concept with the Genesis Device, she looked at it like a form of nuclear fusion, and she didn’t want to have anything to do with the movie at all. I can only imagine that Carol was supposed to be pursued by the Klingons, and having Kirk redo the Genesis Device promo sidestepped that original plotline

[@thomasatteck8476]

I love this film too. There was a sequence where Uhura seeks asylum at the Vulcan embassy and I bought the VHS and the DVD but never could find this scene. I had read the book so I guess I imagined it (or did I?)

[@bodieofci5418]

Chekov's costume. Shaka. When the walls fell.

[@TheMagusOfTheMagnaCarta]

Old school story telling 1/ get up a premise 2/ iron out plot holes 3/ refine dialogue 4/ polish, even combine characters 5/ check for originality Modern story telling 1/ throw a handful of shit at the wall 2/ see what sticks

[@doc_sav]

I like Bowlestrek's summary: ST3 is a decent movie with some truly great moments, probably overlooked because its strength is being an integral part of the ST 2-6 story arc, and because it does "undo" the very powerful moment of Spock's death. Y'know, except that to get him back cost the Enterprise, Kirk's son, and the entire senior bridge crew's decades long careers...

[@dragonknightleader1]

And the nuance I missed when I saw it as a kid was that the crew didn't even think he was alive throughout most of the movie; they were trying to fix the mistake they made in paying respects. So, really, they were supposed to bring back his corpse and bury him correctly.

[@skylx0812]

There's a cool scene in the novel I wished was in the film. Sulu is performing tai chi in his garden in the late night mist mulling over losing command of his first ship if he helps the crew steal Enterprise.

[@JMUDoc]

Regarding Uhura's escape, the novelization had her running through San Francisco and ending up at the Vulcan embassy. Starfleet demanded her back, but Sarek basically told them to get fucked, and took her to Vulcan.

[@lasher5520]

VGR was the first digital trek. All the ships did a tour, to a couple of museums Voyager wasn't part of the show and that was why. Best exhibit ever... TOS bridge, all the ships - but one TOS Enterprise, which is in DC. Costumes, weapons, 7 of 9s borg cube. I feel fortunate to check that out.

[@okienative4785]

I am having mild success wearing the Drinker down, if Kirk was a cowboy, he would be Quigley.

[@jkfozul2316]

Here here!!! To the effort to get him to watch Quigley down under lol. It's an extremely fun movie that fills me with nostalgia. And then crushes me lol

[@baffledking9902]

That movie is nostalgic to me, because on my grandma's farm there was barely electricity when I'd stay there as a kid, let alone cable or satellite TV - and there were few select movies to watch, and rewatch, after chores and that was obviously one of my go to's.

[@jacksoncrutcher8217]

Hard to beat Quigley, totally underrated

[@jkfozul2316]

Soo many great scenes, not to mention Alan Rickman totally killing it as the film's "love to hate them" style villain!!

[@jkfozul2316]

@Kurt Adams lmfao no it's about an American sharpshooter being hired under false pretenses to help a corrupt rancher in Australia.

[@kevinobrien9626]

The same way SPACE SEED set the tone for II, the seeds were sown in this movie for another follow-up down the road.

[@SumDumGy]

Nichelle Nichols never did a nude scene in a film, just some nude modeling when she was young.

[@samieltheinfamous]

One wonders why Picard, nearly a hundred years later, never thought to use the Genesis Device to help out the displaced Romulans. Or perhaps there was an easier solution? It's not like there aren't hundreds of habitable systems in their empire.

[@kathrinlindern2697]

The movie shows pretty clearly that the device failed at creating a permanently habitable planet. I mean, David used illegal and unstable tech that they did not see any immediate way of fixing/improving, and the project was highly classified. So it's likely nobody touched it again after most of the initial scientists had died (due to Khan) and Carol Marcus probably hated the entire thing because it killed her son. There are a few habitable systems in the empire, though...

[@5ilver42]

Oh my, I have a backlog to catch up up on since the terminator stream with MauLer.

[@Alex-eq7uh]

Absoluetely LOVE you sir, u are awsooooome

[@Raingod1]

ST III has been my favourite film ever. TOS in the 70s was my go-to and TMP was awesome, STII was good, but III was character driven. It was the old crew I knew and grew up with finally throwing everything away for the benefit of a friend. It is by far the most emotional of all the ST films and it touched me deeply. To rescue Spock there is a price to pay for everyone else. Kirk loses his son, his ship, and everyone else loses their careers. They sacrifice everything for another. I love it.

[@bigeye6606]

Star Trek The Motion Picture is still my favorite tbh, closely followed by Wrath of Khan and The Undiscovered Country

[@effsinthechat1766]

Remember a pirate copy of this doing the rounds at school in 1984. Started watching it with my grandad. He was 76 at the time and was the first time he'd seen Star Trek. He loved it and it still holds up for me for that reason.

[@TheC.O.-VISIT]

Story and fucking epic actors, Christopher Plummer, Ricardo Montalvan, the Doc 🤣 We will never see movies like those ever again folks.

[@DonnaCPunk]

IMHO, Insurrection was the most TNG of the TNG films. That’s pretty much a feature length TNG episode. Took me ages to appreciate that movie. It’s easily my favorite of the Next Gen flicks, with First Contact second. Generations was not good, but I’d watch that before Nemesis 100 times over.

[@flatebo1]

We had a bunch of video discs back in the day. When the local rental chain got rid of their stock, Dad and my brother went to buy a couple hundred movies and 5 or so players (so we’d have backups when the one we were using wore out). I mostly remember the format sucking. Each disc side held 1 hour of video, so you’d have to flip them during a movie. And the motorized arm with the record needle would drip oil on the records, causing them to go into an endless skip cycle. Even wiping the oil off wouldn’t entirely work. But we got a bunch of movies that we almost never watched for dirt cheap, so there’s that.

[@KH4444444444N]

When I first watched this movie, and I was swept from the starscape into the finite clouds of Genesis, with that emotional score by James Horner. I was fucking hooked. I was being initiated into suspension of disbelief and reality.

[@skylx0812]

There was a radio program on NPR called The Sounds of Cinema. The host played music from the various films that were released during that era. He ended one broadcast with the end title to Trek III. At the time I had a walkman my brother bought in Okinawa and sent me. The compact thing was heavy and imposing and had amazing dolby stereo reception. I'd sit outside at night and listen to the program and be blown away by soundtracks. Star Trek III had awesome music that fueled my love of cinema soundtracks.

[@maxroy5246]

There was a Wonder Woman 1984 ad on this video. Oh the irony

[@sigurd2873]

Happy birthday Chris Lloyd! Swell guy. And Jimmy Doohan salt of the Earth!

[@winkles2314]

Kirk was incredibly flawed in TOS. He’s portrayed as most flawed Captain probably, bar Sisko

[@DB-wh4cw]

One of the many good things about TOS and it's films was it showed that the flaws people had were part of what made us human

[@TheMagusOfTheMagnaCarta]

Wouldn't say Sisko was flawed... He was damaged maybe

[@jamespfp]

2:37:10 -- RE: James Horner's score for ST 2 and 3; one of the most telling points on this issue is found in the video games which used the franchise later. The Super NES had a "Bridge Simulator" which included the Horner theme. It was utterly iconic.

[@jamespfp]

Oh and how easily it is found... kzbin.info/www/bejne/pqvReGRvgNJrldU

[@flimbar]

AFAIK it wasn't Nicholas Meyer who watched all the episodes and "narrowed in on the wrath of khan", it was producer Harve Bennett who decided Space Seed was an episode that had potential for a follow up and there was an initial script before Nicholas Meyer was hired

[@OpenMawProductions]

The big thing to consider abou tthe Enterprise being destroyed in Star Trek 3. One, as is said in this discussion, they build up to it, but thye also don't just have it go "boom." They make us watch as it gets torn apart. The bridge, then the dish, then the drive section, and then almost echoing the way she used to fly through space in the original series, the ship glides with the shattered dish aimed down just a bit and it tumbles into Genesis. The other aspect to consider... This was THE Enterprise. There was no other ENterprise that audiences knew at the time. This is THE starship from the original series, refit or not, the spirit of the thing is still there. TMP made it very clear it was the same ship, with all of that life lived inside of it. There was no other 1701. This was it. Audience had no idea what would come next, or if there would be another. It was another three years before TNG came along, and two years until we got Voyage Home. Interesting element of the interior design of the movie Enteprrise... The sets were built for Phase 2 an dthen reworked for The Motion Picture. Many of those sets were used and reuused in part or in whole until the end of Voyager. BUT, the phase 2 hallway set was essentially a recreation of the original series corridors with slight changes to the details... Those corridors were then covered up by the movie corridors. So, in a way, even the sets retained some of the same frame of the original enterprise. Just as with the refit herself within the Star Trek universe. Star Trek III was the second Star Trek film I ever saw. The first was TMP. Emotionally, it still ranks as neck and neck with Wrath of Khan. I really can't just watch Wrath of Khan. I HAVE to see TSFS right after it. Everything that happens in these two films is just well written and so rich.

[@mechanix1228]

GIVE ME GENESIS!!!

[@roadbone1941]

Using the navy analogy, they refit some ww2 battleships for the gulf war but then they retired them right afterwards anyways, so refits don't guarantee a ship won't be retired, so I assume Star Fleet did something similar, some new starship they've designed is probably does a better job then enterprise (excelsior) anyways, no matter how good the refit.

[@thekcsugethe_kc_suge7930]

LaserDisc. That’s what I had it on when I was little along with Star Wars. Geez I wish I’d saved those

[@thewilhelmscream7912]

I like League of extraordinary gentlemen... I've never read the comic, but as a fun cheesy monster mash, I like it!!!

[@johnaugustin5447]

The Mega Geek sounds like Tom Hardy. Love it!

[@jagsdomain203]

What happened to the Klingon on the ship during ST 4? They did not kill him but we never see him. What happened?

[@beardedbjorn5520]

I just assumed that they gave them to the Vulcans

[@safetyequipco]

Imagine turned over to the Vulcan's...

[@jagsdomain203]

@@safetyequipco sound I suppose. They would have gotten him back. Maybe he stayed and changed the Vulcon society

[@skylx0812]

I believe he was played by John Larroquette of Night Court fame. There's a scene I liked in the novel. Its explained that in the Federation English becomes known as Standard since it becomes the formal language used by humanoids. When he's taken hostage Kirk asks him if he speaks Standard and annoyed he replies, "Yes, I speak your pidgeon English!"

[@foetaltreborus2017]

Love these chats & hell...I'm getting those films out gain !

[@ALRinaldi]

@1:39:30, there is a deleted shot in IV.

[@bad-people6510]

James Mcavoy is the best I've heard as far as a British Islander doing an American accent. It's better than his English accent if you ask me.

[@AstroNerdBoy]

What happened to Bowlestrek?

[@1-7-0-1]

Its My Birthday Saturday October 24th, You've Both Given Me An Epic Trek Gift! So Thankfully And Very Appreciative Of This Star Trek III Treasure! Dean 🖖

[@thekcsugethe_kc_suge7930]

Low budgets make for better stories and creativity. Low budgets make you work harder

[@mrjones29]

Just not in this case.

[@thekcsugethe_kc_suge7930]

@@mrjones29 huh? Not in SFS case?

[@erichtomanek4739]

Too much Pon Farr will make you blind. Sage words Drinker.

[@bcluett1697]

I've heard Kirstie Alley wanted to do ST III but it was NBC that wanted to ramp up her role on Cheers so they wouldn't release her because the contract tied her up for their shooting schedule months. It makes sense considering Cheers was a leader among ratings at the time. I heard that in an interview with Nimoy years ago on Larry King. I think Nimoy was relaying what her agent told him. The genesis device is the classic engineers perspective of creating a powerful tool to solve a complex problem that others could see the destructive potential of. I wouldn't consider it a doomsday weapon since it still creates life in a proper setting. Genesis failed cause it was deployed on a starship in a nebula. A doomsday device just obliterates matter like the doomsday machine in the original series or mass nuclear weapons deployment on Earth that would wipe out most forms of life. I think intent and the results are distinguishing factors.

[@doctorsleep8766]

There has not been a 4K Blu-Ray release of any of the original ST films sadly. A 4K TWOK does exist and can be streamed on some services, but it has not been released on disc yet. TSFS has not been released on 4K as yet. Get a move on Paramount!

[@jimd385]

Yep, I didn’t think there were any original cast Trek films in 4k. Will we ever get them?

[@thekcsugethe_kc_suge7930]

The new Savic did ok but damn I wish Kirstie Ally was in 3

[@mrjones29]

Robin Curtis did a decent job.

[@thekcsugethe_kc_suge7930]

@@mrjones29 It’s not a big deal Ally or Alley 🤔 wasn’t in it. Robin Curtis, couldn’t remember so thanks, was ok and good in her take on the role. I just prefer Ally, Alley

[@skylx0812]

Sa'avik was part Vulcan, part Rumulan. Like Spock, her mentor, she had a volitale side. Alley represented that pretty well. Curtis and her perm seemed a bit too stiff. I would have like to have seen Alley sneak down to the torpedo room and alter the coordinates of the capsule they were going to use for Spock. Kirk wanted to launch him into the Genesis sun on the planets first day. But Sa'avik intervined.

[@lesliescott7838]

Star Trek lll The Search For Spock suffered because it followed The Wrath Of Khan . Which was unfortunate, because Star Trek ll was the greatest Star Trek movie to this very day . Any Star Trek movie following that one, would seem anti-climatic . On it's own Star Trek lll is a good movie .

[@safetyequipco]

The "backstory" has Uhura beaming down close to /on to the Vulcan Embassy where she meats Sarek who gets her to Vulcan..

[@robertfitzgerald3118]

In the score, there is a dark tone in between the boys beaming to the Enterprise and the bridges light coming on. Maybe that was uhura beaming out before security getting to her.

[@safetyequipco]

Wasn't Kruge's "dog" a Targ?

[@KH4444444444N]

YEHjeh!

[@thekcsugethe_kc_suge7930]

Environmentalists wouldn’t use Genesis today on a planet because there’d be an extraterrestrial worm on a planet that they’d protest over

[@SatoruwaFeng]

Hey, some of my ancestors were worms!!!

[@thekcsugethe_kc_suge7930]

@@SatoruwaFeng ditto 😅

[@realshompa]

What a wonderful stream.

[@christophertaylor9100]

1 has much better than people give it credit for. It is a lot more character driven than Drinker suggests (as he notes, Kirk is a bit selfish and has to grow for example), and while it is slower than the other episodes, its huge and gives a massive sense of scale and space, all the things that they could not do in the tv show. And you have to understand it in its time: there had been no new trek for over a decade, and showing the enterprise in all its glory and full scale was very welcome and pleasing.

[@gbudb9303]

Enterprise model was pretty big, about 6-8' long

[@neilscott9281]

There's deep themes in these stories & can see why Zack Snyder reflects Spocks death in BvS (UE). In The Wrath of Kahn, part of the theme is 'The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the one', whereas it's the symmetrical reflection & redemption of ST II in its sequel, as in ST III, the crew risk their futures for their friend, where, 'the needs of the one, outweigh the needs of the many.'

[@jamespfp]

57:15 -- RE: Canuck v. Yankee accents; speaking from experience as a person who is resident in the eastern part of Canada, I can affirm that there is a large and obvious difference between *most* American accents, and those found in Canada. *HOWEVER,* there are regions where the lines and the differences are blurred together. In short -- the American Midwestern accent, particularly those found in the northernmost States, are indeed quite close to parts of Ontario, Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and Alberta. But regional distinctions inside of the United States itself practically make a standard American Accent an imaginary device. In fact, there are parts of Canada which have been isolated enough to maintain what academics call "museum dialects" throughout the 19th and 20th centuries. Thus, it is entirely possible to find dialects which are clearly related to those found in Europe, such as Scottish.

[@jamespfp]

^^ Hollyweird has also made this a bit complicated, through the hiring of Canadian talent not only in the last 30 years, but for the last 100 years. I can usually identify Canuck actors in radio, theater, film, or television productions, based on their occasional backsliding into "aboots".

[@jamespfp]

^^ I should also add, the American Midwestern accent is sometimes identified as being a descendant dialect of Scandinavian immigrants who came to North America during the 19th and 20th centuries.

[@michaelreilly7106]

Wrath of Khan had a better villain but I liked seeing the Enterprise crew fighting for one of their own in ST3. Search for Spock was definitely a more emotional film.

[@miller-joel]

1:01:00 The Federation didn't design or create Genesis as a weapon. If anything, it's supposed to be the opposite. This was not like working on the atomic bomb at all.