Happy Hour #8 - Battlestar Galactica (feat. Overlord DVD)

[@Ammoniumbicarbonat]

I believe that “33” is the single best opening episode to a TV series ever. It sets the hopeless and grounded mood so well, and you just get such a great sense that there’s thousands of desperate people fighting for their lives with no clear sign of what to do next.

[@dpwellman]

Agreed. It was difficult to live up to.

[@johnriley8713]

It was so good that Rain Johnson stole the idea to use in The Last Jedi.

[@mikeforester3963]

And if you're literate in esoteric things, one can appreciate the masonic symbolism of that episode. It's the origin story of the Mormons after all ;)

[@MrFetalposition]

My stomach was one big knot. What great writing.

[@Talon3000]

@@johnriley8713 This. I was watching TLJ and the only thing I could think of was "Oh this is just "33" in extremely boring."

[@gambar]

"She's broke her back... She'll never jump again!" broke my heart...

[@thomaspreston3618]

Mine also

[@lordmogg-wright5467]

@Mario Casen ah yeah? And then what happened?

[@lordmogg-wright5467]

Never before has a ship had so much character. In the words of Spacedock, 'If you don't love this ship by the end of the show, you're doing something wrong.'

[@cameronjellison2085]

@@lordmogg-wright5467 well, if you pay attention to the core prophecy of the show, that a leader suffering from a wasting disease would lead the ‘caravan of the heavens’ to their new home, but wouldn’t survive to enter the new world. Galactica is most likely the leader spoken of in the prophecy, and not Roslin, or they are both playing that role, in different ways.

[@Lopyswine]

​@@cameronjellison2085don't preach Mormon philosophy

[@tyrantsmisery]

One of the few times the remake was legitimately better than the original.

[@dobbear]

Until you get to the last 2 seasons.

[@j.g.woitas841]

@@dobbear To be fair, that was mostly because of the Writer's strike that happened during seasons 3 and 4. They had a choice, close down production (and the show), or bring in non union writers on short notice.....

[@StevenErnest]

@@dobbear I think the last two seasons were awesome.

[@MrFetalposition]

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[@MrFetalposition]

@@dobbear wait asrc- did you ever see the god awful last two seasons of the original series???? But still you're obviously right that they're weak.

[@lordinquisitordunn336]

I love it when the future ruler of earth is so gracious as to visit a poor slightly mad drunk Scotsman missing several vital organs

[@MunkeyBeans1082]

I'm surprised the Scotsman lowered himself to collaborating with an ANTI-SJW who thinks everything is woke.

[@thealphaincel1619]

@@MunkeyBeans1082 So said the centrist.

[@marcuscato9083]

@@MunkeyBeans1082 SJWs are a bunch of sadistic c*nts who try to ruin and destroy anything that doesn't fit their sick ideology. How the F you think there is something negative about being anti-SJW is bizarre.

[@thealphaincel1619]

@@marcuscato9083 Cause they are supposedly just as bad as SJWs lol.

[@ManiacalForeigner]

@@thealphaincel1619 Please don't compare us to this moron, don't listen to reddit, centrism is not "both sides are dumb no matter what hurr durr"

[@raevn11]

Bear McCreary man... wish I could have caught this talk live. Literally one of my favorite, if not THE favorite scifi shows ever. Great story, amazing character chemistries and arches; logical, followable plots and subplots. Amazing show. We need another like it today.

[@warren286]

Having served on a Los Angeles class fast attack submarine, we often joked that we had such old, analog equipment in order to prevent a Cylon incursion.

[@onefansview9874]

My brother, a sonar tech, said the same. Get your fun where you can!

[@jonathanbrown7250]

Hey, did you have a Cylon incursion? See - it worked!

[@thegalaxyhasclass]

What was the boat's name? Unless that's classified, of course.

[@StevenErnest]

Or Russian or Chinese...? ^_^

[@travismcdonald148]

SUBMARINES ONCE!

[@ecmorgan69]

Edward James Olmos was incomparable as Commander/Admiral Adama. One way or the other, he was going to save the people in his fleet. Also, I loved how RDM saved lots of money by having the humanoid Cylons while still creating lots of dramatic tension. There were a whole lot of CGI shots they didn't need to make. :)

[@InfinitePublics]

They also ended up needing editing to have the clones of the cylons. A step further to have no clones and just many different cylon models would’ve worked better

[@Golmov_the_Wretched]

Tricia Helfers introduction in Lucifer happens while Lucifer is playing " All along the watchtower" on piano; the song that awakens the remaining cylons in BSG.

[@mikelmcknight72]

I remember thinking she was going to be eye candy with middling (at best) acting ability. As it turned out, Tricia is an incredibly talented actress. Her different versions of Six were believable. It was such a pleasant surprise.

[@oldmangimp2468]

BSG was, is, and will remain awesome entertainment. . SO SAY WE ALL!

[@clivetrash9044]

SO SAY WE ALL!!!

[@Dragonfyre137]

@@clivetrash9044 SO SAY WE ALL

[@GrimGalore]

I always thought that one of the coolest things about the remake is that they made the theme of the old show the national anthem of the colonies in the new show.

[@tjzini]

Starbuck was taught the coordinates to jump to earth in a song her dad showed when she was a child. She drew the Eye of Jupiter before she had a clue of what it was. She was created for her role in the great epic by whatever, God/creator. Anders wrote All Around the Watchtower on the original cylon earth 150,000 years before Bob Dylan wrote the song. That song transcends our existence. How does a bird know how to create a nest? It's not taught. It's genetic memory.

[@JetEngine787]

Your comment us underrated. Was thinking the same thing when they were discussing that aspect

[@tjzini]

@2manynegativewaves I'm trying my best to find this. I remember Anders saying he played the song for his girlfriend when he finds that guitar fret board. I guess I'll have to rewatch the episode where Tyrol sees his shadow burned into the wall on the original earth. You have me intrigued.

[@tjzini]

@2manynegativewaves I've looked all over. Best I could find was a interview with Ronald Moore where he said the song was written by an "unknown colonial artist". I'm going to rewatch the episode where they find cylon earth. Would it be there or when Anders is telling Tori, Tigh and Tyrol about their past from his hospital bed?

[@blacksheep8227]

I like that tom zarek was played by Richard Hatch, the original Apollo. Zarek was a great character.

[@dragonknightleader1]

Frustratingly underutilized IMO. A lot of Baltar's forays into politics such as his presidential run and writing the Communist Manifesto, felt more like the sort of things Zarek should have done.

[@flee4urlives]

I frakkin love the scene when cain is gonna execute tyrol and helo, and adama is on the phone with tigh, and makes his decision to go up against the superior force, and grinds his teeth... i love watching him go through the thought process of what he's about to do. so badass.. the music sets it, the rotating camera shot. might be one of my favorite scenes of the entire show.

[@jonathanrees1071]

Same here: I'm getting my men!

[@lprater11]

I’M GETTING..MY MEN

[@ButrzV2]

The soundtrack for that scene in particular was one of the best tunes in the show.

[@dilanrajapaksha]

Like a scene out of a goddamn Michael Bay movie (in a good way)

[@yellowgut]

Bsg season 1 and 2 may be some of the best written and produced sci fi of all time.

[@headrockbeats]

A friend of mine was visiting back in the early 2000s, and we were talking about good TV shows to watch. I asked him for recommendations and he said "First of all, DON'T watch Lost" (thanks, mate). Then he pulled out a USB stick and said "I've got the first episode of Battlestar Galactica here. We'll watch exactly 20 minutes together - that's all you need in order to decide." I was hooked after 3.

[@scottessery100]

why hasnt anyone mentioned the cigaret smoking cynical doctor.... he was the best... and a relative of drinker?

[@johnmachuga8811]

Good one..u funny, me like

[@BigRedDiscGolf]

Doctor Sherman Cottle.

[@mikeforester3963]

He was like the embodiment of a certain Imageboard XD

[@gambar]

"I don't know what to say...." "Don't say anything, just light a cigarette and grumble!" What a moment....... "Your patient now, Ishay!"

[@TedStryker71]

Good ‘ol Dutch from Soap.

[@JV-xf9ry]

I started with the miniseries and was absolutely hooked. I was in the military and the language they used was great. That first scene where the colonial transport was landing on the galactica was great. Checkers green, call the ball. The only thing they were missing was a tail hook cable! When the cyclons started their nuke attack I was actually open-mouthed watching them go off all over the planet. The idea that the Galactica was being turned in to a museum, with the starboard landing pod already being a museum part was awesome. It was like taking the Lexington out to war again from its port in Texas. Or the part of Battleship where they fire up the Missouri to take on the enemy aliens. Great stuff. When they finally got ammo for BSG 75 and we got to see it at full power laying out a fire screen and taking on a base star was just awesome! Baltar and his arc over the series was really cool, got kind of weird for a bit, but finished really well. I liked the finish of the series. It wrapped up things well, except for Kara which was a bit odd and didn’t make sense. I guess she was an angel? The big twist when they found “Earth” and had complete depression when they figured out it was uninhabitable and they had to keep moving. That was a great episode reveling that the human Cylons actually existed as a race prior to humans inventing the chrome toaster versions. Great twist. Anyway, great series. I loved it.

[@nickcosentino5368]

B.G. was fracking awesome. A serious, mature story with realistic problems. Love how they beat cencorers with fracking.

[@Brownie-ms6sv]

Thank you for doing this, I love this series. Edit: The entire series is available on bbc iplayer now. Great timing guys!

[@Palidyn1]

I've rewatched all the seasons 3 times. BSG did not get the attention it deserved. Good on you guys highlighting it. Damn I miss good writing. Cheers guys!

[@mikeforester3963]

18:45 I was sold when Adama first grabbed that raggedy phone-bone off the map table and announced war to his crew. Drinking, smoking, cursing, bitching, fighting people ... real people. Even the damned feminism kind of worked in that series. Much like as it did in Firefly. 34:35 Best line/moment of Ty in the series when he puts his ear on the wall and growls: _It's in the frakkin' shiiiep_ 1:16:20 Racetrack was Crashdown's co-pilot as a Raptor recon team. And Kat's struggle was to surpass Starbuck and make it to CAG, which, in her last moments in sick bay, was fulfilled as an honor to her service. 1:23:10 You have to understand the background of the entire show. Glen Larson was a Mormon, and when he wrote the original series he distinctly had the Mormon creation myth in mind. An IIRC Larson had an advising role in the Remake as well.

[@MorsMeld]

To be stuck in the desert of modern, scripted television, but still have eyes that haven't seen Farscape or The Shield? You lucky, lucky bastards! You've found the oasis.

[@solarsailer4166]

What I adored about this series was it tackled the question of "do the ends justify the means?" How far will the survivors go to keep going and how much humanity will they retain at the end of the road? Brilliant. A really good stream: Overlord singing to us, great conversation on the great SciFi flicks of the 90s and 00s, listing the great characters and why they're great, even a reference to my favourite TNG episode "Q Who". Does anyone know what kind of writing Overlord has done? Has he written any books? I've just started reading The Drinker's series.

[@WayoftheFerret]

Which is the real first book in Drinker's series? Amazon lists two different books as being the first.

[@84C4]

So that's why the ship's called the "Peg-a-sis".

[@jamessullivan4391]

Dude... dude... you had to go there. It took me about 10 seconds I confess.

[@eamonnholland5343]

I didn't know about that Ron Moore Voyager story. Crazy that's the reason why he did the BSG show. I'm kinda glad it went the way he did, because no way in hell he would've been able to do the things in Voyager that he did on BSG.

[@colinellett]

Never seen Battlestar Galactica but it's being rerun on BBC2 from 5th September. Perfect!! Great stream guys, I'm sold :-)

[@stephenlanuto5993]

Drinker got replaced by a Cylon just as the stream got started

[@jamessullivan4391]

Noticed that too.

[@ButrzV2]

Frak this was an awesome show. Now i must watch again. In addition to the degrading title card, there was the count of human lives left in the intro to each episode. And it just keeps shrinking a few here, a few there, sometimes significantly. I remember when the first birth in the fleet happened at the end of an episode. Rosalynn breaks down a little cuz she's so thrilled, and the count is bumped up 1 the next episode. Then when the Pegasus shows up and the count goes up considerably, it felt really monumental. When the stakes are so high that theres only 50k people left in the universe, you actually feel every death. Brilliant frakkin show.

[@Skraboing649]

Drinker, I must echo what Doomcock said, you should definitely check out Blake's 7! Sadly, poor budgets meant the production looked flimsy as hell, but the concepts, writing and characterization was excellent. Avon is one of the all-time best characters in any sci-fi show!

[@HpArtcraft]

Hell yes. It's an incredible show. Love Bear McCreary's music!

[@demarcusblack1328]

Black Sails is also excellent

[@kreese-yi2nb]

@@demarcusblack1328 So is Caprica, Defiance, TSCC, TWD and Agents of SHIELD. The best gift Elmer Bernstein left humanity.

[@SpartyCubsFan]

Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.

[@Francois424]

@3:26:00 -- What I heard/Read is that thy didn't want to get rid of the Pegasus as much as they couldn't afford the 2 different sets. Something about needing to reconfigure Galactica's set in order to "make the Pegasus" and then shuffling everything back to Galactica. So they decided to get rid of it. It was a shame too, it added quite the dynamic to the show. At least they gave it a Proud warrior's death. I loved the fact that it could manufacture it's own vipers ! Just imagine if a modern Aircraft carrier could manufacture it's own F22's !

[@ecmorgan69]

Poor Dualla. She ended up always playing second fiddle to Starbuck.

[@tjzini]

She knew that going into the relationship. She even said it to Lee that she would be happy to live in that reality. She wanted Lee even when she was with Billy, then he died in her arms. He knew he was second in her heart. "I've had the blues The reds and the pinks One thing for sure Love stinks"

[@ecmorgan69]

tjzini Yeah, that’s right, you’re right. I didn’t really remember that. Has it really been that many years since I watched BSG? 😖

[@gambar]

@@ecmorgan69 time to re-watch ;)

[@xyonblade]

I remember people being obsessed with "lost", I never got into it, thought it was dumb to begin with heh.

[@Off-Brand_Devin]

You're smarter than I was, then. I got through the second season and realized, "They have no idea where they're going with this." I dipped out after that. Little did I realize that "has no idea where this is going" would be the defining aspect of JJ Abrams career. Mystery box!

[@manoz6194]

​@@Off-Brand_Devinexact same with me!

[@brianmucha2391]

Brother Cavil's season four rant to his creator (Ellen Tigh) about not wanting to be human was the best two minutes in the entire series.

[@pablom-f8762]

"...I want to smell dark matter..." holy molly

[@scarletteshadow]

One of my favorite shows of all time!! An amazing epic sci-fi that goes above and beyond every expectation!!! Better than the original by leaps and bounds. Mind bending, heartfelt and genuine as hell. I wish I could have had this talk with you...I could talk for hours about this criminally underrated show!!

[@faitheffect254]

Wish you would have spent more time talking President Roslyn. Amazing character especially in the first seasons. That’s how you write strong female characters

[@kevinwilson455]

I love these chats about old movies and TV shows. I think we must be similar age and grew up watching the same stuff lol

[@kevinwilson455]

Oh, heil Doomcock!

[@tjzini]

The name given to the blackbird was "Laura".

[@targe762]

I think Doom is wrong on the two shows being alternate universes, one of the things that was Awesome was they tied in the original series as 'the first cylon war'. They reference it, they break out 'old' Mk. 2 Vipers to fly, you even get to see original Centurions, Raider ships and a Basestar in one episode (which was EPIC and one of my fav episodes). Sure they 'updated' Galactica ( love the new one even more) but almost all of the canon discrepancies can be explained or they covered it. Briliant and so not done very often!

[@AdaminPoland]

Reboot or remake? I like how they ran with 'all this has happened before, and it will happen again' - it kinda gave you the choice to believe that maybe the old 1970's series was actually modern canon, but if you didn't like them being associated, then it's fine as well. A clever and respectful piece of writing that many a modern day writer could take heed of....

[@daddystabz]

I never thought of it that way! That is an awesome thought and concept!

[@AdaminPoland]

@@daddystabz thx man.

[@mback3713]

How can I "thumbs up" this conversation enough? BCG reboot raised so many excellent moral questions - and the balance was perfect. Every decision of every powerful character was "justifiable" within the charachters' individual frame. It's up to the viewer to connect with all these viewpoints and resolve... and... can these various viewpoints be resolved?

[@Francois424]

The two parter episode from Voyager called "The Equinox" where a ship that looks very similar to voyager had to make due with far more limited ressources and had to become far more creative with what cards they where given encapsulate the darker-toned voyager you talked about. And it's an episode that is cherished by fans. As for the new BSG, it acted as a contrast with all the "positive sci-fi shows" of the era. It would be like today getting a serious, well thought out and with a positive outtake on reality new Startrek series about a Starship aking to say, the Bismarck battleship of WW2 (Think like a Defiant-inspired warship but with the Enterprise-E size). They would go on the fringe of Starfleet space, and get in deep doo-doo often with closest starbase a month at near max warp... They make due, they patch things up... AND they have the starfleet positivity we've been missing since ST:Voyager ended. I think it would be as good a hit as BSG was at the time. Just because the time is ripe for such things. Just look at the Orville and the praise it got (to be honest it's a good show, but not to the level of hype that was broadcasted everywhere, IMHO). The time is ripe for a good show without SJW in-your-face exposition and good dose of "It's going very well Sir !" and exploring new interesting things.

[@giantclam1822]

Wasnt Moore involved in the original ? Or do I have the wrong Moore

[@dpwellman]

Its the one thing about the final episode that I appreciated: biblical scripture teaches God is the beginning, end, and _continuation_ of all things (Alpha and Omega). In a way from God's perspective everything has happened, will happen and is happening simultaneously. Distinct from, say, the Hindu concept samsara.

[@jamessullivan4391]

Well said.

[@beeldverteller]

Combining robots with spirituality is a stroke of genius. It makes for a new step in the evolution of robots in cinematic history. First they were just clumsy dummies. Then they looked like us. And with BSG they connected to something wich we ourselves can't reached.

[@jpdominator]

I need to watch Battlestar Galactica. Again. Such a great show.

[@theglanconer6463]

Loved both series. The hard drinking Starbuck was brilliant. And no woke politics.

[@johnmcternan4157]

The ending is what actually made me love the series as much as I do, when I watched all in Summer 2009,, we act so like them because they are our ancestors. Haunting how they live as best despite being added with PTSD in a verdant paradise, and they eventually disappear into the mists history just like we do will, but that doesn't mean our lives have to be meaningless, we can choose in spite of the fact it may not be remembered. The cycles of human history might be forever but you can still make the best of it, you could feel that throughout the series. The colonial anthem feels like final hurrah and eulogy for the civilization that dissapears onto the sun, civilization was over on day zero of the attacks and it was never coming back, it really did end and they were just a gang by the end, keeping up the facade of what was before for their own sanity. This was constantly reaffirmed throughout the series. The series is ultimately about acceptance, losing yourself to regain, what sedentary and inertia might have taken from. You It actually made a better case for hope than Star Trek ever did (or does now) because it these people were truly tested and life demanded they become more. Moore said I think there is something hopeful in every episode if you look, they keep on keeping on. Particularly true in the last two seasons. The ending is not a tale of future woe as we thought. but all it is past and thr future is literally unknown...maybe. Adama didn't want to to become tribal leader at the end.

[@Ship-security]

The scene when Kara Thrace finds her own body...... Epic!

[@blacksheep8227]

BSG and the Expanse are the two best syfi shows i have seen. I really like the realism of the Expanse. Most syfi shows never work in gravity but in the Expanse gravity is its own character. Fucking great shit.

[@benjamingood3223]

I'm one of the few who genuinely loves the ending. It was extensively foreshadowed from the very, very beginning. It's especially important to NOT STREAM this show, it must be tracked down on dvd or Blu-ray. There are extended cuts of many, many episodes that add something like 14 hours to the total show's run time and rounds out the story much more fully. These cuts are not available on streaming services. The ending will sit much better with you if you watch the show again, on disc, with the extended cuts.

[@johnmcternan4157]

The ending is what actually made me love the series as much as I do, we act so like them because they are our ancestors. Haunting how they live as best despite being added with PTSD in a verdant paradise, and they eventually disappear into the mists history just like we do will, but that doesn't mean our lives have to be meaningless, we can choose in spite of the fact it may not be remembered. The cycles of human history might be forever but you can still make the best of it, you could feel that throughout the series. The colonial anthem feels like final hurrah and eulogy for the civilization that dissapears onto the sun, civilization was over on day zero of the attacks and it was never coming back, it really did end and they were just a gang by the end.

[@promnightdumpsterbaby9553]

The most epic sci fi show of all time! The soundtrack,story telling,special effects,the characters! Awwwweeeeeeee! Nerdgasm!!!

[@tjzini]

Daniel was the artistic cylon model(each of the models had its own area of human nature that predominated) whose line was contaminated and destroyed by the Cavil model because he was jealous because Daniel was the favorite of The Five, especially Ellen. I never thought that Daniel could have been Starbuck's dad! Wow! When Starbuck thought there was a guy playing the piano in the make shift bar, that was her dad. That's who taught her the song when she was little and he was helping her remember it. This is what makes this show so great, it's so multi-layered that even after multiple viewings over 15 years, you can still find something new! I've watched the entire series at least five times and read a couple of books on it and I don't think I've ever heard of this theory. Thank you!

[@nigelhickman2274]

This has all happened before, and it will happen again?

[@thac0twenty377]

Hollywood reboot comittee took THAT one way too literally

[@gambar]

There must be some kind of way out of here...

[@thomaspreston3618]

life started out there.

[@jjnonken]

Heh heh, you feel old... I was an adult when I watched the first series during its original broadcast. :)

[@6364LEGACY]

Battlestar Galactica (2004) is the holy grail of excellent quality.

[@_Loadie]

i grew up on star trek and tng but my all time favourite sci fi shows are firefly, farscape, and this battlestar galactica. great breakdown guys and i have to admit i didnt like how it ended but doomcock has me reevaluating it. also, the stargate 200(?)th special episode is the greatest crossover ever

[@frankl9583]

Two great commentators discussing a great show. When I first watched the series as it aired, I was disappointed with its ending, but with each rewatch I have loved it add appreciated it that much more.

[@DavePowell666]

Hearing Doomcock's raw voice....hmm...familiar...is he the actual Man in the High Castle himself? That could explain a few things. 😆

[@briankrause2359]

I just wanted all 4 seasons again a few months ago, introducing it to my son who is 12. I loved the show when I first saw it when it premiered i the 2000s, and I felt it held up great watching it again now in 2020. My son thought it was totally awesome too. One reason why BSG was so compelling to me was the integrated story arc from episode, which gave you a good reason to tune in week to week. Babylon 5 was good for that same reason (though having watched season 2 again recently, too many episodes were fluff that didn't move the real story forwards), and that one Star Trek series with Scott Bakula TRIED to do something along those lines. BSG had so many great parts to it, loved it. Loved the cylons as humans (appearance), the special fx, strong story (imho), Grace Park and Tricia Helfer AND president Rosilin all were great on the eyes. Tricia was jaw droppingly gorgeous especially when she had her crimped perms/curly hair. Loved the final 5 cylon reveal plot, especially the 'music in their heads' part of it. Commander Tigh is great, so many plot points he was involved in were highlights of the series. Same with Lee, I can go on and on about how many wonderful character arcs virtually every character bought some kind of 'season highlight' to it.

[@terikay2541]

So glad I found this, was just thinking that BSG the best remake ever, and could show modern writers how to write strong women. Watched the other day, and it's still brilliant

[@Loki.Lyesmyth]

The Adama Maneuver is probably one of the best things in Sci-Fi history also... BSG is the only show to make me ugly cry repeatedly. We used to track the survivor count on our white board here at the office. Each Monday it got updated. We still use frack in the proper way. :) That show has so serious legs and not just 6.

[@essexexile]

I’m glad drinker and I are on the same wavelength with our opinion of Apollo.

[@DarkEmperorRay13]

"You're kind of roboting out" *Sweats in binary* No no, Tactical Droid Commander, stand down, he doesn't know... he doesn't know..

[@TDQ_Gaming]

I always got the feeling the story is really Laura Roslin's heroic journey. From becoming president to the point she vows to destroy the cylons and that Adama loved her more than she loved him.

[@WayoftheFerret]

I gotta agree with Doomcock in that BSG nailed the ending. It had some clunky episodes leading up to it, but the ending itself was a satisfying conclusion for me which both answered some of the show's questions and raised more to contemplate.

[@Beuwen_The_Dragon]

The only part I dinae like was the choice of ‘scuttling the fleet” at the end of the journey, with ‘starting over” being the excuse. Giving Galactica a send off was one thing, but It made no logical sense to destroy the entire fleet and drop humanity into the Stone Age.

[@ecmorgan69]

The Pegasus episodes were positively amazing. RDM did such an amazing job humanizing Cylons while still portraying them as genocidal monsters. The sequences with Baltar and Cain's Six were just heartwrenching.

[@SPASTICSTONER]

Listening to you guys really made me intersted in the series, especially the fact that it has an analogue twist.

[@sigurd2873]

''There is a hole in your mind.''

[@jyrifrigard227]

I hope you do this with babylon 5

[@warchild1673]

The phone aspect actually fits. Modern naval ships use hard line phones threw out the ship but they have sound powered phone as well to.keep communications going throughout the ship in the event of a power loss.

[@gram440a]

I just finished watching all 4 seasons of BSG plus Caprica just so I could watch this!

[@warren286]

The sleeper Cylons reminded me of the Manchurian candidate.

[@Darthviewer]

Absolutely loved the score for this show. Intense music. So good.

[@mikeisaiah768]

Arguably one of the greatest OSTs of all time... great show, I had mixed feelings on the ending but was fine with it... there was also a writer's strike that hit between seasons that had a negative effect on the direction of the show in later seasons

[@adamdavies1068]

Farscape is excellent. I'm Australian so I'm biased. It was badly publicized here in Oz. Constant broadcast time changes and no media interest really hurt it here. Thanks Cannel 9 top job. It's not as dark as BSG but it's mythology is rich. Plus Claudia Black was in it so.... awesome 👍I'd watch her read the phone book! Especially in Peacekeeper flight suit mode. Did you know the actress playing Zaan was in Mad Max 2 Road Warrior? She's the big blonde Amazon woman at the refinery

[@nickboylen6873]

Adam Davies, great show, and even the theme tune was alien and weird. “Harvey” was hilarious!

[@Dreadtothink]

Razor part 1 and 2 is the best piece of television I’ve seen in the last 20 years

[@brysimm404]

BSG definitely IS sorely neglected. Epic show and great chat fellas! FWIW getting the DVD set is SO worth it - no commercials and perfect for binging [just like in the hilarious Portlandia episode]. It really works as one long movie [minus a couple of irrelevant episodes] :D

[@KA24DERACER]

Just to mention an amazing scene that you didnt bring up. When Baltar and the living 6 are walking around the new earth at the end and Baltar is laying out how he wants to erect his house and cultivate the land for farming, and he turns to 6 with tears in his eyes and says "You know I know about farming". An AMAZING reference to much earlier in the show when he talked about hating growing up with his dad and having to farm along with a fantastic character moment from him when he realizes how something he always hated about his past will become an important part of his future. Just a simple 40 second scene and a few lines which drop a huge character moment about accepting your past and such. So many little things like that strewn throughout the entire show that illuminate just how much the writers and everyone else who worked on it cared.

[@cannedbollocks]

Wut? "little thing"?? it was a deliberate and obvious reference. This is NOWHERE as amazing as you seem to think.

[@KA24DERACER]

@@cannedbollocks "Little Thing" as in they didnt make some huge deal/scene out of it (it was only 40 seconds out of the last episode) and there are lots of others similar to it. It was a perfect cherry to top off the character development sundae for Baltar and it was done with just the right amount of care that it didnt feel like it was shoved in there JUST to give Baltar his moment. Youd be surprised how often Ive seen other shows, even quality ones, that forget references similar to this and miss out on a good character moment.

[@dc9277]

started watching this show because of this stream, it's pretty great.

[@electricmediamadness]

Cheers guys for this discussion. Rewatched all of new BSG about two months ago. It holds up so damn well. A fantastic series and a template for how the industry should reboot/remake something! All the best!

[@bringdapain8462]

Re watching this again now its all on iPlayer (Minus the Plan episode) thoroughly enjoying it like I did the 1st time 17 years ago!

[@billyhodges7194]

Just occurred to me that two of my favourite things EVER, BSG and Withnail & I feature All Along The Watchtower 😁

[@mtndogrally]

That Farscape spoiler was hilarious! And I agree, seasons 2&3 of Farscap are some of the best sci-fi ever made!

[@promnightdumpsterbaby9553]

The trial of baltar,the admiral cain triple episode, the exodus from new caprica ,and the tylium mine episode are utter masterpieces! The whole show is fucking glorious! Minus the final five....

[@waszyrowski]

im not sure how i missed it first time around but this show rocks (only good thing to come out of lockdown was finding forgotten gems like this one)

[@xandermav4527]

what do you hear Starbuck" "nothing but the rain" :O Kinda off topic but I'd love if you would discuss John Woo films like Hard Boiled, would be extremely entertaining!

[@mephistoxarses8585]

Hard Boiled and The killer!

[@warchild1673]

Also the music for this series was top notch.

[@EffequalsMA]

BSG got right what Space: Above and Beyond tried to do in the mid-90s....and Doomcock's ending for GOT is very Conan....

[@squat666]

Supershow !!! My two favorite youtubers.

[@thehorsefromhorsinabout]

recently binge watched this after not seeing it since it aired, and it blew me away.

[@TheGouliat]

Doomcock looking like a "Prototype" Cylon, liking Battlestar galactica. Coincedence? ;-) Theory: The last Episode of BG, Doomcock traveled deactivated in a lost Storage Compartment to Earth. Forgotten in Time, he slumbered untill he was Activated by a Solar Flare and went into a Dark Cave to hide from the Humans which he didnt know made Peace with the Cylons. Carving himself his "Underworld Empire" to the middle of the Earth.

[@briancorrigan5350]

The Adama Maneuver for the win. And that wasn't Lee Adama guys, it was The Old Man who jumped into atmosphere. Lee as his best? Pick one: tillium refinery takedown or defying orders and jumping the Pegasus in to a no-win fight, main guns blazing, no air cover, into the valley of frackin death, resigned to his fate ...to save the Galactica. And the sacrificed Pegasus's broken flight pod wiping out the last basestar? Angry in death.

[@Beuwen_The_Dragon]

Rest in Peace Pegasus, you deserved better.

[@kevinkim9620]

one of my favorite shows ever, probably is my favorite tbh. grew up in my teens watching the whole thing and remember watching season 4 in college. it was huge at the time, but i dont really remember many people around me watching it. just started rewatching the whole thing and it is just as good. gonna recommend it to my friends again haha.

[@curmudgeonextraordinaire1884]

My two favorite KZbinrs

[@TheAutistWhisperer]

I remember enjoying the new Battlestar Galactica at first, but it really became confusing in the end.

[@AdaminPoland]

Well, it was a thinking man's series....

[@4600norm]

@@AdaminPoland The last two seasons were also absolute garbage.

[@dpwellman]

True. It turned a little soap opra-y. There were a lot of interesting ideas early that went no-where.

[@AdaminPoland]

@@4600norm Well, we'll chalk that up to personal opinion maybe? I personally loved the end. I thought it wrapped things up very nicely, especially in an era of TV that usually rushed their endings out due to writers strikes, and blanket cancellations. The twist about 'earth' was very cool.

[@cheeseburger12]

The first two seasons I saw every episode three times, one by myself, one with my cousin, one with my mother. I was watching the heck out of it. But halfway through the 3rd season I was just watching each episode once. It seemed pretty confusing and a bit of a mess. Tigh was a cylon but he was also making a baby with Six. So that was a cylon on cylon baby? What? So the Six in Baltar's head was an angel all along? She seemed pretty evil for a angel. Kind of not really sure I buy that. I don't know.... I do need to rewatch it again sometime. But I think it jumped the shark on New Caprica. It just wasn't the same after that.

[@lprater11]

I love the Bear McCreary soundtrack to BSG. Listen to it all the time while I work. His soundtrack on Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles is also excellent

[@TheSchaef47]

30:50 I think the read on Adama is that he's a product of the old military. He's fallen out of favor because his combat readiness was considered obsolete as the humans grew complacent. So he had Galactica as a largely ceremonial role but he was also the only one ready to jump into action.

[@Beuwen_The_Dragon]

Well, as ‘ready to Jump into action” insofar as a Mothballed Battlestar with no Munitions could be at least..

[@TheSchaef47]

@@Beuwen_The_Dragon more the man than the ship, but I take your meaning.

[@VenGooner]

Just found this. Awesome.

[@adamdavies1068]

I only have vague childhood memories of the original BSG, so I didn't care about the casting of Starbuck. I absolutely loved it! Space combat done mostly well. Pretty well realised Newtonian physics for ship to ship combat. And Bear McRearys soundtrack is phenomenal. The only other show that had similar realistic Newtonian physics was the Starfire's in Babylon 5. The ship designs rocked, especially some that never appeared in the show. The Colonial Manticore Corvette is probably my favourite lol They should have had Pegasus' manufactorys make the fleet a Manticore or two