Total War Saga Troy Is Underrated - But Is It Worth $50?

[@happycompy]

Tldr; fun game, pretty game, good-sounding game. Not worth $50 in its current state though. Needs more content.

[@MedjayofFaiyum]

That is all this game really needs.

[@joker4lifemw2]

You mentioned Age of Mythology, are you going to make a video for it? I used to love that game. Also, what do you think about the new age of empires coming in the near future?

[@EmperorKandyKatsuVonKandai]

6.66k subs, scary

[@michalkrasnodebski8709]

It won't get any more content, i'm pretty sure it's gonna be abandoned very soon

[@happycompy]

@@michalkrasnodebski8709 I share your pessimism but I hope we're wrong.

[@anselmliow4139]

Troy's optimization is so good, it runs better than rome 2 on my crappy old laptop.

[@happycompy]

Game overall feels so smooth!

[@rarepepe1819]

Weird..I played it at launch and despite other titels like Warhammer 2 running quite smoothly on my pc Troy managed to run at a solid 10 fps and looked way worse than rome 2 for some reason (in battle) :/

[@alexs_toy_barn]

other than a siege rework and diplomacy updates, the great optimization from troy is what i'm hoping for the most in warhammer 3

[@D4rjeeling]

What is your laptop specs. I wanna try but I just have a laptop

[@godisforever7263]

Wait does it cuz mine can run rome at 20 fps at low graphics

[@thomasmott3518]

They really should have had a "Reality or Fiction" option like the records and romance versions in 3 kingdoms. Maybe "Myth or Material" or something where the reality version has the figures they have now, but the mythical version has giants and minotaurs etc. As for going more accurate, I'm very excited for the Age of Bronze mod for Rome II, it looks like it's basically an entire game's worth of content: the bronze age total war we've really wanted.

[@Blastoice]

Yeah I would play it then! :)

[@happycompy]

I've been waiting for age of bronze for YEARS!

[@eduardmart1237]

@@happycompy isn't it for rome 1?

[@oscarblanco2763]

@@happycompy there's a rome 1 mod for It, very fun to play

[@bzoner16]

I think the problems with the Records/Romance divide in 3K showed why this probably wouldn't have worked. It's already hard for CA to keep both sides remotely balanced, and it can't help the fact that Records feels like a version of Romance minus a couple features (namely character abilities). Troy's setting would make this even harder because at least the Romance was mostly just about superhumans, not gods and monsters. Putting Lu Bu from a single entity into a cavalry unit is much simpler and feels less gimped then downgrading from a mythical minotaur into the...dude in Troy.

[@fressicoldessi5402]

I have to commend CA sofia for the siege maps they created, the ones in Thrones are very good but at the end of the day they are enhanced versions of Attilas. The cities of Troy really feel unique.

[@happycompy]

CA Sofia has yet to make a bad piece of content imo. Desert Kingdoms, Empire Divided, Rise of the Republic and Troy all range from good to great imo.

[@MedjayofFaiyum]

@@happycompy CA Sofia saved Rome II.

[@happycompy]

@@MedjayofFaiyum agreed

[@randomguy2023]

Even though they look good the warhammer siege maps are trash

[@DragonballBlack]

I’ll be honest. I played it for free and only played it once. I find it hard to think about buying it to play it again. Especially with all the dlc I would want to add on. But on sale. Eh maybe. You should do a Three Kingdoms 2021 video. I feel like 3K has really been flowering lately. Mods have even added Roman Units.

[@happycompy]

I think mods and DLC could turn Troy into a worthy title. I truly believe that. The fundamentals are there, it's just too barebones. Rest assured, 3K is on my radar :) It doesn't seem to be as popular in the west though :(.

[@bortoo6634]

@@happycompy dunno about the rest or the west, but my 3 kingdoms campaigns were the most fun i ever had in total war

[@happycompy]

@@bortoo6634 who do you recommend playing as to really sink your teeth into it?

[@Alababm]

Please but it please if you don’t buy it I don’t know what to do , I think will kill myself please buy !!!! 😍🥰😘😗😙😌😉😂😅🤣😜😝

[@DragonballBlack]

@@happycompy Lu Bu, Sun Ce, Cao Cao or Don Zhou to name a few. The southern tribes are fun too.

[@rayneeder]

It just kills me how this is probably the only Bronze Age era total war we will ever get. So many amazing empires and civilizations from that time period that would provide so much faction diversity. You have the obvious big players like the Egyptians, Assyrians, Mycenians, and then tons of other cool civilizations like the hittites, Bronze Age Scandinavians, and the sea peoples. I just feel like this time period should have been saved for a stand alone full title game.

[@happycompy]

Yeah I'd love a full-scale Bronze Age TW, but like you, I'm doubtful we'll get one. I think Med3 is next.

[@lHistoireResumee]

Great news bro the next one is in the brone era (okay in the end but still)

[@Ultraelectromagnetic]

I'm glad you pointed out the soldier shouting/chanting because it's one of my favorite things about TW3K and seeing it's in Troy too makes me glad it's becoming a recurring theme. It's such a little thing but it makes your soldiers feel so much more alive. Will definitely play some campaigns on Troy when I get off my 3K high

[@happycompy]

I knew I wasn't the only sound enjoyer out here, hell yeah man! So glad to hear this.

[@Ramirez4565]

Love stumbling upon small channels such as yours that put out high quality content. Thank you; God bless.

[@happycompy]

Thanks for saying so! Glad you enjoyed it :)

[@bully2please91]

People who voted on the poll: we recommend 3K Happy not caring and choosing Troy: "i love democracy"

[@happycompy]

Hahahahaha I almost started the video with "I put out a poll asking which TW game to try next. You guys chose three kingdoms, but I ignored that I went with Troy because I'm a piece of shit."

[@icecreamvendor433]

Democracy was only present in the Athenian city-state not the whole ancient greek world, the rest still had oligarchy or monarchy. Not to mention that this policy of democracy comes much later than the era of troyjan war as depicted by Homer. Troy saga - 12,13 th century BC/ Athenian democracy 507 BC. That's like 700 to 800 years later and only in city.

[@Spitefulrish]

@@icecreamvendor433 and look where that got us, should have stuck with oligarchies, at least you knew who was screwing you lol. 😂

[@adrianbunea2006]

Idk, fantasy was Warhammer's thing, I like that they kept realism here.

[@happycompy]

Fair enough!

[@KakavashaForever]

You must love the game now that Mythos mode exists? Historical mode is also fantastic with the way you can customize the General's Bodyguard unit. Troy might be my favorite Total War, it scratches the Historical itch and the Fantasy itch at the same time in a way that 3 Kingdoms almost did but fell slightly short.

[@HamanFRD]

I love Troy so much, the theme, the fights the characters I just love it. How every character has his own mechanics and how it does affect the way you play and the Homeric victory with following the story line is just a fantastic way to finish the game instead of just occupying the whole map I love the diplomacy too and how the greeks are all together against the Trojans. And by far.. Troy is the most optimized game of the series. I'm glad I played this game and had so much fun with it 👍🏻

[@happycompy]

Nice to see someone unabashedly love Troy. Thanks for sharing man.

[@HamanFRD]

@@happycompy It is a nice game but I feel people after WH1 and WH2 want everything to be methodological. I like the half real half meth to be honest it is like the Iliad.

[@gaaaaaaaaaaah1]

An honest review and I like that. When it comes on to Steam I'll give it some serious thought. I'm a bit of a TW sucker but some guys are just vile negativity who don't seem to argue from an honest position. You do, thanks

[@happycompy]

Thanks for watching. I appreciate that.

[@AdmiralPrice]

Btw notice the price creep in Troy as well. Up 10 bucks from Thrones, which released just 3 years prior.

[@happycompy]

Yep. Like you said, they're going to keep increasing the prices slowly (boiling the frog) until they notice a drop in sales from pricing out their audience. I hope your "3-year life cycle" in between CA's studio releases prediction holds true, because that would mean we'd have at least another year of support for Troy before the next Saga. Troy has the fundamentals to be worthy of a $50 price tag, but it doesn't have the content currently imo.

[@cuentaparacomentar8737]

A hitite DLC would be amazing

[@happycompy]

Yeah, it sucks to not have them in a Bronze Age game.

[@bumbaclot813]

My laptop is coming Friday and I am so excited to play total war and some other games like this.... played the first total war when I was younger and I would spend an entire Saturday playing.. sooo excited.

[@happycompy]

Hell yeah man!

[@bumbaclot813]

Great video

[@happycompy]

@@bumbaclot813 Thank you.

[@BassFlapper]

I was very happy about getting this game for free when it released on Epic Games store. I got pretty bored with it around the late-mid game when I started invading Greece (playing as Hector) and had to kill Agamemnon for the third time. I also didn't like how red vs blue everything was. Playing against a united Greece all determined to kill you while your own allies were busy fucking around and getting themselves killed was pretty grading and it didn't leave much room around for diplomacy.

[@happycompy]

Yup, the game lacks replayability because of the 2-dimensional conflict, and it also lacks a fun end-game challenge like Chaos or Attila's Invasion.

[@BassFlapper]

@@happycompy I never played Attila or Warhammer but I agree. You made good points in the video, especially with the sea peoples and a more mythical approach. I think they didn't go more fantastical because they didn't want to risk too much similarity with Warhammer.

[@Hoi4o]

Good video, however I don't agree with your criticisms on several points. Let me address them: 1. The devs clearly aimed for a realistic depiction of the Bronze Age Greek world, NOT a mythological one. From the resource system to the visuals of the units, it's clear they aimed for historical accuracy. Why would they ruin that historical immersion by adding actual mythological units, magic or other fantasy stuff klike that? The "Truth behind the myth" approach fits perfectly in this realistic approach for the game. 2. Simply reskinning the Warhammer units would have been really cheap and would have made the game look like a cash grab. 3. This game is not simply a TW game set in the Bronze Age, it's specifically set during the Trojan war, as described in Homer's works. Including other factions like hittites or egyptians would have made the game just a generic TW game set in the Bronze Age, not a game focused on Troy and the war for it and Helen. 4. The unique faction mechanics and unique questlines and heroes for each faction DO make the game replayable. The game also offers a lot of flavor and story. 5. You asked where are the sea peoples. The acheans ARE one of the sea peoples :)

[@happycompy]

Thanks for watching! Yeah I should've put in the script that I'm not super familiar with the Iliad, so for the people who are familiar, I'm not sure how much this game scratches that itch. From your comment it sounds like this game is perfect for Iliad fans, which is cool.

[@czukarpathian6621]

@@happycompy They really aimed for something historical with mythical falvor, and if so they did it fine imo. If you read unit description for Sirens for example it says that Sirens described by Homer probably have been a bit more poetic version of port towns pr*stitutes which really lured marines, so they made unit human. It really makes you think when recruiting a unit of those women. I mean, really xD you're hiring a bunch of pr*stitues with slings(oh yeah, and the lure ability) :D They kinda wanted to show origins of those mythical creatures that could have come from real stuff. I didn't expect that, but honestly that's cool in some way

[@khyroz9519]

this comment aged like milk after the myth units dlc. apparently they did :) they even teased an egypt dlc

[@cloudPvP]

I totally agree with you in every single way. I even though the same answers as he raised the points during the video. The only thing I would love to see is naval battles as they were so important in that age and time.

[@Hoi4o]

@@khyroz9519 The commend aged perfectly, because while they included the highly requested mythical elements in Mythos, they also double downed on the historical realism with the realistic mode, which excludes even the "truth behind the myth" game elements. Remember, Mythos includes BOTH, not just the fantasy stuff.

[@LootnScootn]

Bit late but ive been holding off on getting this. Checked your review sense the ultimate edition is on sale right now for 40$. Ill go ahead and grab it now. Thanks for your sensable take.

[@happycompy]

I'm glad it was helpful! Hope you enjoyed the game.

[@LootnScootn]

@@happycompy Yea its good, I own all but 2 of the total war series and i will say it holds its own with the best of them to be honest. I guess my expectations were low sense the game fell under the radar in a way.

[@maxmustermann-zx9yq]

- boring duels - single units op - bad unit collision - unit models look like I'm smashing action figures into each other rather then constant synced animations - unit models have hitpoints instead of rng chance to die in a synced blade exchange - difficulty ruins the already flat infantry meta by giving AI flat bonuses instead of just giving the AI bigger armies, meaning chease tactics with ranged units rain supreme - having to recruit a general for each army and army upkeep depending on number of armies means you cant customize garrisons like in the old games by just leaving a couple of units behind - lack of cavalry takes away from the stone, paper scissor principle - infantry doesnt have interesting weigth mechanics despite the whole game being about it, heavy units should be able to push light infantry back and thereby break the enemy line - exhaustion doesnt come into play which means switching infantry in and out of combat isnt important

[@ryanpatterson5278]

I love this question. As a geography enthusiast, I often hear or get asked "Where is Troy", but nobody ever asks "How is Troy". Thank you for saying this HappyCompyTW

[@happycompy]

🤣🤣🤣

[@mericairon1909]

They truly messed up not making this age of mythology total wat

[@theprussianmink]

You must be liking the recent news!

[@mericairon1909]

@@theprussianmink hell yeah lol

[@philburnell5148]

I would like to see Total War:Peloponnesian War or Total War:Greco-Persian Wars.

[@falloutnewvvergas5910]

There's a DLC for Rome 2 called "wrath of sparta" that is set durgin the Peloponnesian war

[@happycompy]

@@falloutnewvvergas5910 yup. It's also one of the worst campaign pack DLCs for Rome 2. Super bland copy and paste hoplite rosters with no siege weapons makes for super boring slugfest combat.

[@nindew21Laughyourassoff]

@@happycompy that’s pretty much the war for you. I did not expect much more

[@cornemou]

@@happycompy well its acurate to the era then

[@SolidContent]

Heck yeahhh, I've found one of my new favorite review channels. This really helped decide the purchase THANKS

[@happycompy]

Awesome, thank you so much 🙏!

[@marconapolitano2821]

The campaign is a lot of fun, but the battles are trash, everything feels weird from the animation to the blood, and they completely removed 1vs1 engagement for the standard troops, now they are just slashing at each others, and the formations are also terrible they don't feel solid, and most of the time you can just push through an enemy unit without consequences and surround them with ease.

[@oldrabbit8290]

imo, the battles in newer titles are not as good as the old (Medieval, Shogun, Rome).. units just slashing the air and a guy 1 meter away fall to the ground, formations aren't solid, and charge lack the impact of the older titles (your chariot can plow through a unit of archer yet they will just get up and walk away, while in Rome II, a well-placed charge by chariot/elephant/heavy cav will murder that unit instantly). And then heroes have arcade abilities, but at least Troy has the sense to make it harder to spam..

[@marconapolitano2821]

@@oldrabbit8290 completely agree

[@afriendlycadian9857]

1 v1 animations were good but glitchy as fuck some times and yes your unit just running through without conseqences has been around since rome and just is a conseqence of mechanics of moving you units

[@FLEMNMable]

Controversial opinion but one thing ToB did well was making its units feel mad chunky. Never experienced anything quite like a huscurl wedge crashing into an enemy shield wall. It feels meaty!

[@adrianaslund8605]

1v1 animations are non existent in Warhammer:Total War. I just like how its still around for Heros in Troy. I think that's a Good compromise. But yes overall the animations arent great.

[@Jwlar]

The removal of sea battles is pretty sad. They needed some work from Rome 2, but the fix isn’t just to remove them entirely. Sadly, Empire and Shogun 2 still offer the best sea battles after all these years.

[@iroh9816]

and don't forget napoleon

[@liam-398]

I like how the excuse for Warhammer was that it couldn't be licensed from Games Workshop due to other titles, but then we've not seen sea combat since in other titles either.

[@bencatzilla]

sea battles are just boring

[@nyyfandan]

I think whether or not they support it further is going to be completely based on the sales when it comes to steam tbh.

[@happycompy]

I think you're right but I'm pretty pessimistic overall. I don't see them adding significant content to the game. I hope I'm wrong.

[@ZubiForce]

Which won't sell because it lacks the content. They won't update it because no one buys it, and we won't buy it because they don't update it.

[@happycompy]

@@ZubiForce I hope you're wrong but I'm inclined to agree.

[@diegocamacho6477]

I think the road map they showed a while back promised one more DLC. My guess is they are Sabino that for the Steam release.

[@sausagesausage]

Will this come to Steam for sure or is that speculation?

[@levimalone4433]

What upsets me about this game is it's a never explored era and deserved alot of attention. This part of history is full of myth and legend but if they would focused on making the campaign reach to ancient Egypt and middle east as well as the map they ended up with and focused on more realism with these legends fighting with their men like they did in actuality. Achilles had his mermidons he didnt fight alone and was of course just a man not a God. You could of focused more on unit and army bluffs with these famous leaders. Like putting Achilles into a spear unit and leaving his mermidons to fight by themselves or leave them out of the battle instead of risking losing men. And when achilles is with this spear unit they get buffed moral and attack or something similar to make him decisive on the battlefield but in a realistic way. There is no doubt men like achilles inspired all they encountered but they wernt actual demise gods

[@SavageHenry777]

"achilles" is no more real than the mythological character. That's the only mention of him we have. I think if you get to the point where you're featuring this story and these characters, it is much more authentic to go all-in and not try and change the original but rather capture it. They should have divine intervention and heroics etc. Trying to be all realistic makes no sense, may as well make a bronze age total war then and not focus on Troy.

[@ramiromen6595]

I liked Troy, it reminds me of shogun 2 in that it's good enough for me to play all campaigns but didn't really care to replay any

[@happycompy]

Yeah compare that to Rome 2, where I've played all the major factions more than once some of them over 10 times 😂

[@ramiromen6595]

@//// HAHAHAHA that's peak comedy right there, nice one man

[@BigBoiTurboslav]

@//// pff good luck proving your point on youtube comments

[@Ac1dB3a5t]

you know what would be cool, everytime you went into diplomacy with a faction or if a faction agrees to something with you, theres a little ciematic of the factions leader agreeing and his emotions would change depending on how good the deal is. if that makes sense but also add a skip button becasue its going to get long and boring after a while.

[@김주원-s5v]

The most stressful side of game is aegean sea. The enemy army landed from the fog of war constantly. This is problem in all other totalwars but due to Aegean sea this hit hard to troy. if there is update I hope CA give more range of sight to sea to player or do something for the player to guard the coast line

[@harrisonbathgate253]

At the end of the video when you said troy is a good game and you hope CA decides to make it a great game my first thought was holy shit quote that

[@happycompy]

Thank you! What are your thoughts on Troy currently now that its final DLC is here?

[@harrisonbathgate253]

@@happycompy I don’t currently own Troy but after this video and your great advice I think when I see Troy on sale next I will buy it

[@Slim_Ch4rles]

Damn no Middle Eastern factions? Not even Assyrians? No Phoenecian colonies?That wouldve been so cool to see. Seems too lacking in terms of historical intrigue even though its mythologically centered but will check it out of the price is acceptable

[@sebastianchantre3152]

Love what you said about the semi fantasy elements. They definitely should've gona all out

[@happycompy]

It's the #1 thing holding the game back in its current form IMHO. If you're going to go small scope then you should go big with the myth to help with variety.

[@OnlyHereForCake]

I know it's wishful thinking, but here's hoping with the Steam release or whatever that we see a "Mythic Mode" added. That way people could choose to replace the units with their proper mythological counterparts. If they can do it for 3K, it's a no-brainer option for Troy IMO

[@CsStoker]

@@OnlyHereForCake and an option to remove single entity units like in Three Kingdoms

[@happycompy]

@@OnlyHereForCake You're a friggin prophet.

[@OnlyHereForCake]

@@happycompy Guess you could call me the oracle of Delphi, lol

[@michalkrasnodebski8709]

I really like troy, and in case of bad reviews I felt like a lot of people decided this game is bad before playing it mostly because of typical drone mind set: "Epick store BAD" "not historical enough BAD" "not related to warhammer BAD" "not a total war game I relly wanted at that momment BAD" "some youtuber told me it's bad so I will think its bad without checking it for myself"

[@happycompy]

Savage af 🤣

[@mynamejeb8743]

i am one of those people, but now it is summer sale, and my wallet is ready to venture out of my comfort Total War and brace for dissapointment if it occurs lol

[@hallodunase]

I didnt know how much I wanted full fledged mythical Units and Greek mythology in Total War until now.. Damn

[@WhackyRavenLand]

Aaaaand now we get full on fantasy DLC (Mythos expansion) for TWS: Troy :p

[@happycompy]

I'm STOKED man!

[@Flicky669]

Yes!!! Thank you for saying what I have felt for a long time about Troy---it would be absolutely amazing if they made the mythical units actually mythical looking. They can still do that with a patch! Man, that would make my day if they did that. Thanks for your honesty!

[@happycompy]

I really hope they do it, but I think they're committed to their original design philosophy.

[@toastertastic5085]

Boy do I have the DLC for you

[@Flicky669]

@@toastertastic5085 yeah lol. But I still havn't bought the mythical dlc yet because it is overpriced. Waiting for major sale

[@geneko8633]

You really did Troy a big favor by reviewing the current state of the game. Whenever i look up Troy on youtube all of the videos are MONTHS old from the day it released and never a video on the current state. Great vids keep it up!

[@happycompy]

The same thing happened to me when I was trying to decide if I should give the game a shot. So I had to pull a Thanos "fine, I'll do it myself."

[@xxGizmodioxx]

I'm guessing Troy didn't have the gameplay options when this review was done, but man i'm I glad we got 3 options. 1 for historical/realistic for people like me. 1 mythical like you personally wanted and 1 mix that might not quite please anyone lol

[@King.Bojack]

your content is so good man. your channel will surely blowup soon. mark my words.

[@happycompy]

Thank you Don, I appreciate that!

[@dnaseb9214]

If you get the mythos DLC yes. If not, dont bother.

[@Corndogman42069]

Quickly becoming my favorite TW channel. Keep it up sir!

[@happycompy]

Thank you, I'm honored to hear that! If I can ask, what is it specifically that you enjoy most about my channel, and what do you hope to see from it in the future?

[@tbam21-12]

I’ve been playing since medieval 2, how did you select all units then click 1 enemy and your army charges all enemies. Watching that has changed my life.

[@happycompy]

Form a "locked" control group, and then issue an attack order. The units will try to attack nearby enemies when they get in range.

[@dukejason]

So funny how I completely forgot I own this game.

[@Alexwhatisit]

The heroic edition is on sale for 60 with the humble bundle. Think I'll check it out.

[@williammcmaster3891]

Although I've only completed one campaign on Troy, I definitely enjoyed the time I spent playing it. The ability to scale the mythological or historical side of the game was also a nice feature added post launch. I appreciated the clear time and effort that the developers put into recreating the sights and sounds of the time period. Since I managed to snag it when it was free through the Epic Games Store, I'm pretty glad I did

[@theimperialtacician3824]

Let’s cross are fingers for the game to improve

[@LeandroCapstick]

Can't wait for this game to release on Steam. The setting alone is such a cool feature to me.

[@happycompy]

The main menu theme?

[@LeandroCapstick]

@@happycompy I ment to write setting, as in the "historical" setting.

[@ancienthistorygaming]

I would still like a full historical Late Bronze Age Era game

[@happycompy]

Troy MYTHOS DLC is out! You can check out my re-review of Troy/Mythos here and whether or not I think it's finally worth the asking price: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qISul3puaLWAfqM

[@MedjayofFaiyum]

Firstly, this is an excellent video. This will be watched by the CA devs mark my words. Your videos have a lot of impact (even if you don't know it.) Secondly, thank you for listening to my viewpoint of why they should expand to the full Bronze Age. I fully agree with the Dorians, the Atticans, I wish Egypt or at least Assyria would make a mention. When you see the Bronze Age mod for CKIII and Imperator and it's map, you know that's no excuse NOT to expand the map. When I mentioned this I was told: Oh no its a saga title, why would we EVER want Egypt or Assyria, it's a game based on the Trojan period... (Like really let's just ignore the entire Bronze Age factions like Egypt which has influenced Western Civilisation on a Grand scale, or the Assyrians or Babylonians that built those massive cities. What I would give to see a city map of Nivenh in this game. CA could literally make an entire Bronze Age total war game with this title. Seriously!) Thanks for putting the argument in a new constructive manner for us Bronze age bois, the Bronze Age is so neglected, as a mythological total war game - Look Troy hasn't flopped, its because perhaps epic (putting it on both steam and epic would have been better) but Troy has a lot of good things. I don't want it to become another Thrones of Britannia simply considering the fact that the map for Troy is so rich with mythological lore and detail it is practically the launchpad, the next step begging to expand into the Bronze Age. When I see an event from Egypt like the Pharoahs, it makes me annoyed, frustrated and a little tedious at times to wonder why the heck the Egyptians haven't been added. Or the Hittites. This game can be expanded and improved. Which is why when the steam release comes out, I hope it brings new life, new mods, and new factions as well. I don't want this game to be another Imperator Rome, Thrones of Britannia flop. I want this game to succeed. And CA should take your recommendations for mythology, and expanding the map. They can pull of a No Man Sky approach very successfully. CA Sofia deserve the credit for doing a wonderful job on Troy and the soundtrack is great. But I think they should watch your video and at least consider most of the suggestions you've made. I'm just one dude on the internet with his own imho lol.

[@happycompy]

Thanks for the reply Medjay! Well said all around. While I would also love a huge map expansion, I tried to keep my critiques and suggestions within the scope of the setting CA chose. Even relatively low-effort faction and unit expansions could go a long way in this game, simply because the map is so detailed and physically large. I hate to say it but I'm pretty pessimistic about creative assembly's plans for long term Troy support. I really hope I am wrong because Troy has great fundamentals imo. I also hope that we get a full-fledged Bronze Age title, or a full-fledged mythology title soon.

[@MedjayofFaiyum]

@@happycompy Np, True, either way the game is set in the Trojan era, and any expansions would have to relate that. I think the decision to solely focus on the Trojan era as a saga titles makes perfect sense. But when I read the interview of what CA Sofia was thinking - this argument between mythology and historical must have been exactly what we're talking about in the comment section right now. There could have been (and I'm hypothesing here) some devs that wanted to go the full mythology (Because this would then become a sort of spiritual successor to AOE and AOE mythology as you so succinctly pointed out) but then there were other devs that wanted the historical approach. So a compromise must have been reached. The truth behind the myth approach just didn't work (despite its noble and well meaning intentions) simply because the fanbase in Troy's time (especially the historical community weren't happy that CA were giving full attention to fantasy and didn't like 3k's hybrid mix of fantasy and historical) and so when they saw this, they said, meh, to heck with hybrids, hybrids aren't my total war! You know exactly what I'm talking about here (never mind the other ridiculous conversations of the Epic Games store, and such) and Troy's approach didn't go so well. I like the game, but when I see it, I'm not as interested in the Trojan era as I would be doing a Battle of Kadesh scenario. You are not wrong to be pessimistic about the plans for long term support for Troy as of now. A steam release will be enough to gauge whether players want to do it and I don't want it to become exactly how Imperator Rome's game was abandoned. 11 or 15 people worked to save Imperator Rome but after every patch, there was a certain base going wah wah wah game bad. Troy doesn't have this but what it has this: The team at CA are still adding new content to Troy, but Troy is being ignored because while lots of players use Epic (yes we're all hypocrites) for free games, they don't exactly go for total war (On a plus side, most of the money that Epic gave to CA is funding their future projects, so you can see sometimes a bad investment can become beneficial). Moving back to the Imperator Rome point, Paradox saw this, and they said well heck. There's no point in working on a game that's not even gaining much money nor the players count that isn't reason for us to support this game. I can see CA doing this as well and it's a shame. When games come from an ancient era, they're hyped beyond belief, then the flop due to an innumerable amount of reasons, then after that, they are improved but the players never return. Then when companies like Paradox/CA leave it, players want more of it. I mean do you see the absolute mind stuff that is going on here? (And I'm not minicing my words here. Part of the reason ancient games aren't doing great apart from Ubisoft even bothering to make third world open action games like AC going to Ancient eras, is because the playerbase gets hyped, devs don't do half the work they're supposed to half the time thanks to investment pressures and rescheluding, and after that, all the bug-testing, but the player base gets too hyped which is affecting a lot games now, and then after that, the game gets abandoned...this what I don't like.) Now Paradox released 2.0 and everyone thought yeah the game's getting good. Then they abandoned it, and all the Paradox fans are going (justifiably) this is bad. Yes. But then that isn't an excuse to review bomb lots of Paradox games and Imperator. They're now review bombing EUIV. I say well you guys practically enabled Paradox to encourage its DLC policy for buying every aspect of the game, you wrote reviews saying yes its worth it. Now that these controversies are happening, now its oh no don't support Paradox anymore. Why am I saying this? Because the very same could happen to Troy easily. CA could add a couple of factions, new map expansions and steam workshop support for example. Then the game would be good, but then the player base wouldn't work so well and CA would want to move to a new project, and then the same exact situation will happen again. This is not good for us nor for CA. You yourself made the point that CA went back to Rome II (And thank God they used CA Sofia to do this) because people didn't like Attila's setting and Rome II was by far the most popular game (and look where it is today). I don't want ancient games being released in the future from ANY COMPANY that are launched in broken state, then they pull of a No Man Sky's approach to get where it is. If the future of releasing a game in classical anquitity is a broken launch with a horrendous backlash and then to reimprove the game again, then what's the point? Any video game devs that want to make a video game based on Rome, investors nah it's the cursed cycle. So that's WHY WE DON'T GET MORE ANCIENT GAMES WHEN THE SETTING IS SO DAMN GOOD. (Bear in mind my caps is also at a frustration but also frustrated at those fans that become hyped with an ancient setting game and then rage at the devs when the game doesn't come out as advertised, I know I'm part of that crowd too but now when a game release I'm getting less hyped because I can't trust game dev companies these days, I mean in general to properly bug-test their games, bug testing is AFTER the game has been launched and that sucks.) Which is why I don't want a Rome III. I don't want an Empire II. Because they'll be big bloated games and they'll flop and then they need new content - it's the same cycle. I want those games, but I'm afraid this is what you're going to get. I do hope CA Sofia at least understands this, and does more to improve and add more content into Troy because that game is practically begging for it. Sorry for my walls of text, but this is what I'm saying. I don't want this game's fate to be like Imperator. CA at least add map expansions relating to this period. Troy is great. Nothing wrong with it, apart from some minor improvements, but give us the DLCs we need to expand this game. And yes, I want the same as you Happy. Luckily we have a Bronze Age mod in Imperator and CKIII, but the Rome II Bronze Age mod will take some time.

[@happycompy]

@@MedjayofFaiyum Great writeup, and apt comparisons to Imperator Rome's fate as well. I feel like Attila is the current Imperator Rome of TW games. Abandoned just when it was getting good (Age of Charlemagne). Let's hope that Troy doesn't become the new IR. I hope CA Sofia is allowed to continue to work on Troy for the next few years and shape it into a game worthy of the $50 price tag, but I have my doubts. CA doesn't usually stick with their games for very long. (Rome 2 and WH2 are the big exceptions, with 3K close behind). I don't expect Age of Bronze to release before the heat death of the universe, so I'll settle for Troy for now ;)

[@MedjayofFaiyum]

@@happycompy Yep, apologies for the long walls of text - Indeed Attila could be do that. Same, and fully agree. Indeed! We have some BA stuff for now to keep us content in the short term

[@nemben86]

Looks like CA heard your suggestion, Troy: MYTHOS is coming out lmao

[@happycompy]

I'm pumped. Here's hoping it's worth the money.

[@Jesse47.]

Asked you about this game a while ago, a blessing from the gods this video is! Waiting for its release to steam, I'll surely get it then!

[@happycompy]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@donkey9113]

i have this sound bug in battles where the sound stutters all 5-10 sec which the devs are aware of but haven't fixed in a year

[@JarloftheAppianWay]

eeeeeey! more troy content!! How do you manage all these views??? Consider me VERY jealous.

[@happycompy]

There's no question that your channel has a lock on the Troy MP space. Hopefully, the Steam release will be a great boon for your channel, brother :)

[@JarloftheAppianWay]

@@happycompy Thanks! You should come visit and comment sometime!

[@happycompy]

@@JarloftheAppianWay I will :)

[@duckterdoland3881]

How is it 1 year later?

[@CarlosFerreira-rh8zj]

Somebody send this Video to CA Sofia, the idea of gave me chills! It would be so awesome!

[@theonewhoseeks4880]

just saw the mythos trailer man if iam hyped about them still working on this i know you gota be stoked !

[@happycompy]

I am very stoked!

[@R3GARnator]

The soldier sounds were present a lot in earlier Total War games, you just need to be zoomed in enough to hear it.

[@happycompy]

Very true! They are just more audible and better mixed in the new games. WH3 is kind of a step back though imo.

[@MercytheMad]

Great video again, got me tossing up between Attila, RTW2 AND TROY now! I get from your comment at the end that it's important to you to be kinda even handed and honest and show both sides (totally respect that), but listening to the first half of the video, I was actually thinking that if you wanted to do paid/sponsored promotions and stuff you would be great at it. Your voice and the way you do your videos would be really go for that stuff I think. I get that you probably aren't interested in that stuff, but maybe it's fine as long as you are up front about it? (Like "full disclosure I worked with CA on this as a Promotional piece - it is NOT a review" or something like that). Or is that 'being a sellout?' I dunno just an idea.

[@happycompy]

Hey Mercy, thanks for watching! I'm glad you think I'd be a good fit to do paid promotions, I take that as a big compliment! That being said, folks come here seeking my honest opinion. I'm a big believer in not taking yourself too seriously (we're grown men playing video games lmao none of this is that serious), but when you're influencing peoples' money...that's another story. If I ever did paid promotions it would be very clear in the video that it was an advertisement and NOT my honest opinion.

[@MercytheMad]

@@happycompy Totally understand, no offense meant! Just thought I'd throw it out there in case it was something that might interest you that you hadn't considered. (I'm pretty open about the fact that I'll buy all their DLC even if it's not great anyway, so I make a pretty terrible critic :P )

[@happycompy]

@@MercytheMad None taken! Personally, I don't think there's any issue with doing paid promotions or things like that as long as you're upfront about what's going on (as you said). As for myself, I pretty much never buy games full price lol (DLC is another story, but I try to seek sales there too!).

[@BooshMighty]

Really enjoying your total war reviews and re-reviews. Keep it up! Earnt my sub for coming back to this game and hitting the nail on the head with the mythical units

[@happycompy]

Thank you man! I appreciate it.

[@dash4800]

I really enjoy this game. Specifically the change to the economy. I love the idea of actually trading for resources outside of gold and having different resources in different regions and actually encouraging trade. I also really liked the way they implemented the heroes. They felt powerful, but not game breaking. If you used them right you could win battles where you were completely outnumbered but at the same time if you knew what you were doing you could also overcome enemy heroes with good strategy. The only real issues I encountered were the AI magically getting way too many resources way too early in the game compared to what you could get. This allowed them to have way more armies than you ever could. I think the resource cost of troops should be reduced, especially if you want to span the entire map but still have forces around to protect your territory. I felt like I was only ever able to have 3 serious armies at a time and if you are campaigning with them there is no way to get around the map quickly to stop an invader. Also the diplomacy was wildy skewed for most of the time I played. Often there was nothing I could offer to get an alliance with people, even if we were already on good terms, maybe a glitch in my campaign?

[@JarloftheAppianWay]

Another addition? More campaigns. When loading into the lobbies for coop or h2h campaigns you will notice there is a dropdown menu for different campaigns. They designed the UI with the future goal of other campaigns in mind. Lets see them!

[@happycompy]

That'd be awesome.

[@Gyrosmeister]

The campaign map and the battle terrains look awesome. Almost feels like home :P I am not a fan of these single entity stuff though, given that they under good conditions tank a fuckton of arrows. Those "end game" invasions are a good idea but I think they are limited by the source material. I may consider jumping to Troy and explore its modding capabilities, so there is a distinct possibility of a scenario overhaul if the modding boundaries allow it and I have the time to actually work on such a thing ;) And after all, there is a unknown non-playable faction there that has a special place in my heart, so I have one more reason to go and try modding that thing. If you want a hint regarding that faction, there is an Easter Egg in Demetrios Poliorketes regarding it ;)

[@happycompy]

I'd love to see you tackle modding Troy!

[@sercastamere9853]

I cannot for the life of me understand why CA insists on using UI/Art styles for the units that will be very dated in not even 7 or so years. *Thrones of Britannia* and *Shogun 2* (moreso the former) had AMAZING art styles and perfectly in-tune with the game's subject matter, and it was everywhere within the game. *Troy* has some great art in the menus, but all the units and even the map just look goofy as hell and don't maintain that beautiful art style. Such a shame!

[@happycompy]

I think Rome 2's is pretty timeless as well. Age of Charlemagne's too!

[@avavaviv1]

Shogun 2 units also screamed during a charge.

[@alexanderajax2956]

I was playing this 3 hours ago, definitely worth it for me. it's Great!

[@Spitefulrish]

Maori, pronounced similarly to the world moldy. You dont pronounce the A 😊😊 Great video, highly under rated tw game and one of my faves. I just love the resource system and the burning map. Its just so fucking pretty. Edit. It just needs an extra option for adding the myth back in. It would have been so easy and it would have brought the game from a b tier to a+ tier game.

[@happycompy]

Completely agree and yeah someone else corrected my pronunciation of Maori. Nice to see someone who enjoys Troy. Thanks for watching.

[@johnst3313]

Awesome review! Definitely gonna jump back into it again

[@happycompy]

Thanks man!

[@FlyingNimbus808]

I personally really like the mythos expansion and the historical ones is neat but I love just taking my pet hydra for a walk.

[@happycompy]

Mythos is fucking awesome, but it's way too expensive.

[@FlyingNimbus808]

@@happycompy ehh $50 for the whole thing right now isn’t bad. What’s expensive to people is very subjective. A complex game, been loyal to for years. $50 is easy, hell I probably spend that much on alcohol alone every week. Regardless I think $50 is okay since average console game I put less hours of my life into costs roughly $60 new.

[@thearchangel9835]

you mentioned Age of Mythology and my heart skipped a beat!

[@happycompy]

I hope they make a sequel someday

[@Chtigga]

Looking forward for your new review about the next DLC of the game!

[@happycompy]

I'm looking forward to playing the damn thing! I'm more excited for it than I am WH3 at the moment.

[@MrPireotis]

TW Games are alive and thriving mainly due to the Mod community. I hope when it comes on Steam we shall see some overhauls and smart improvements. Thanks for the video!

[@godzillagus8358]

What command is that at 02:56?

[@HAMSTERPOESJE]

Good review mate and I'm just as excited about this game. Rotating between Three Kingdoms, Rome 2 (DEI) and this one.

[@happycompy]

I really need to put more time into 3K next.

[@missinformation5451]

I personally love this game because of the setting, but the way it actually plays can be game-breaking in my opinion. Starting off is easy and similar to previous Total War games, but eventually you will start getting attacked by all your neighbors, especially if you are playing as Troy. The main issue is that you simply don't have the resources to deal with all these little armies attacking you from every side, since creating a large army will bring up your 'administrative cost'. This basically means that even though you should be able to field more units given your resources, every time you go up an administration level the amount of food and bronze you spend increases a great amount. You can go from making 2000 food and 80 Bronze next turn to -4000 and -400 just because you created one shitty unit. That is a really bad game design imo and I don't know why they put it in. Another problem is that the AI literally act like trolls in the campaign; they all declare war at you at once whenever a larger power attacks you, they constantly raid and raze your food and bronze settlements and then run away and sometimes they declare war on you one turn and then offer you peace if you give them resources. I don't know, maybe some people enjoy playing this way but I certainly don't, and I got absolutely sick of trying to manage the three armies I could afford, chasing a bunch of little retards across the map only to get attacked from the area I left behind 2 turns later. It's not fun and you don't even have the option to play how you want because literally everything you do after a certain point is just a reaction to the stupid AI. That being said, there is a really good mod out there called Radious mod which fixes all of these things. You no longer have to deal with all the stupid penalties to your economy thus allowing you to maintain more than three armies at once, and the AI becomes less trollish and actually attacks your settlements to conquer them instead of running around razing. I'm really glad I found this mod because I was ready to give up on the game; as cool as Bronze Age Aegean setting is, there is nothing that will convince me to play against that piece of shit AI ever again.

[@ian69williams]

Good open balanced and honest review

[@happycompy]

Thank you! Glad you enjoyed.

[@BLACKJW-zs6hc]

Very good review ❤️

[@happycompy]

Thank you!

[@TheRogueJedii]

Now with full mythology monsters it will be amazing imo.

[@happycompy]

Hopefully! It certainly *looks* like a ton of fun.

[@nothingtoseeheremovealong598]

I may have just been lucky but in all 3 campaigns i’ve finished there were always like one or two other powerful factions left in the endgame that could actually pose a threat to me

[@happycompy]

That's awesome. That's what you love to hear.

[@marcelojoelpaolin5683]

Troy is a gem I can run it in high with my potato pc. Also the map is perfect for modding. You can have peloponnese war, macedonian wars with rome, a lot more including byzantine restoration from Komnenos to empire of nicea. If they expand a little more the map with dlc adding Syria and Egypt we could have Hittites and Egypt with a lot more of content and possibilities.

[@mopground]

Don't think you can mod the maps anymore after rome2 maybe Attila

[@anon-zk6iz]

Just bought the ultimate edition in the ongoing steam sale, loving it more than WH3.

[@jamescooke7243]

I got this game for free when it came out and since then I have uninstalled it. Do I still need to pay or can install it for free again because I already owned it?

[@fatleg1000]

Once it's in your Epic Games library you can play it whenever you want

[@jamescooke7243]

@@fatleg1000 thank you sir. I'll have a look when I'm home

[@chasebroyles6585]

I want to get into historical total wars, but I've already pre-ordered WH3. Not sure which historical game to get first.

[@gildaherrer5131]

Man you are slowly becoming the best TW related content creator on KZbin, you gave us an honest opinion without being overly negative. Also the editing and scripts are S-tier

[@happycompy]

I really appreciate that man, it means a lot. Glad the production quality feels high as well!

[@reardeltoit4644]

I got the game free on epic games when it released. I dont even give it a try because of the huge differences on the UI and cartoon like graphics. I think the barrier between players and purchasing new games of TW is the amount of difference and trying to learn a whole new game. I spent 300 hours to Attila and learned how to play/enjoy the game yet. I can not take the risk of spending 200-300 hrs to completely learn new TW games. Attila is love. And I also thank you for your Empires of Sand thoughts. Its all real, I purchsed the DLC and my most played factions are Aksum and Himyar Empire in the all TW Attila now. Like you said, TW knows how to do desert factions.

[@merlin4084]

I doubt this game will get any more content after Warhammer 3 releases. If any content at all. It all comes down to the number of people playing it. So many may have got the game at release, but I do not believe there are enough players still around to make it worth the time and money needed to make any more content. I'd go so far as to say that like Thrones the game was dead on arrival and any DLC content made for it since then were probably already in the works, since they were following the Warhammer 2 method of low effort DLC character packs, adding mostly surface level changes. Anything more substantial than that is just a pipe dream I think

[@happycompy]

I share your pessimism about the long term support for this game. I hope we're wrong.

[@TheTerminatorGaming]

Loved this dude very good points all around. I 100% agree on it being the best looking TW we’ve had and fantastic sound design (studied sound production at university myself). Other than that generally a missed opportunity with not enough depth especially 🍻

[@happycompy]

Thanks man! That's awesome that you studied sound design. That must be why your mic set up in your videos sounds so good. What's your secret? EQ curves, mic model, help a brother out! It's a warm tone without being boomy, and it's crispy without being overly harsh. Very professional sounding.

[@TheTerminatorGaming]

@@happycompy it’s mainly the filters I use in OBS, happy to take you through some of it over discord some time! Would be great to connect with another creator as well! 🤝

[@happycompy]

@@TheTerminatorGaming A collab sounds great :) What's your discord name? I can delete your comment after I see it if you'd like for privacy reasons. Or I can send you an email if that's easier for you.

[@happycompy]

@@TheTerminatorGaming Sent you the invite :)

[@tehhzombeh6810]

Nice review, I feel like this is how I may feel about this game... if I were able to play it. Alas, the Epic auto update simple doesn't work on either of my gaming PCs, so I am relegated to waiting for its August release on Steam. Ah well, I'll just watch you play in the meantime.

[@shock_n_Aweful]

Not mad but just for your info, Maori is just two syllables the first part is similar to Moa Zedong, rhymes with cow. Mow-ree. Not May-or-ree. The r has a minor roll so it kinda almost sounds like Moldy

[@hypdal1982]

Too soon, you missed the mythology update !!

[@Tonystarkes888]

soilder shouting was one of the best things in medievil 2 when they are winning the entire units yells

[@mynamejeb8743]

they could make a side historical twist for DLC Faction of Rome faction. Name it The Forefathers or something. i would dig that

[@interstellarlapisthecccp4946]

So my condensed opinion on this is... it's pretty fun, but takes a while to get used to and overall is harder than the average Total War game. It's harder because you can't play the way you would typically play a TW game by conquest; rather, you need to follow the quest-line and politics are just as important as battles. Economy is more complex than other games due to the addition of various resources, but overall it's easy to understand. Battles are pretty straight forward mix of melee infantry, ranged infantry and cav with the addition of some varied units; some are buff and hard to kill, some are really fast and good against ranged units etc. There is also the addition of spells and buffs to your hero. (I'm going by the mythical mode, it's the only one I've played.) My overall advice on this would just be to figure out how to play your faction before you start or you may end up having a really hard time.

[@happycompy]

Good advice!

[@user-nh6yf5xm9y]

is there an option for turning off the white trails of arrows?

[@chewadadu2511]

Stopped playing when I realized auto resolve was deleting units. Mop up fights, nobody is hurt, except a whole elite high tier unit is missing. Every time. I play for the battles, but really only the good ones. I hate being forced to fight every two unit army the AI throws at me. Otherwise, yeah, it's a good game.

[@theaverageitaliandon998]

Honestly at this point I’d love if they just made a total war game based in the pike and shot era, something that mixes elements from Empire and earlier total wars like Rome

[@justinius2170]

I agree, I would love more time periods with these exact mechanics and feel.

[@Max-hc7mx]

Roll in the Thracians, they never made it to Troy thanks to Odysseus and Achilles but were ment to have world renown cavalry. Few more factions would be good, it's only really fun in coop campaign

[@happycompy]

Yeah it's such a no brainier to add more playable factions. Kind of frustrating that there are so few tbh.