Harassment is breaking Twitter's free speech experiment

Twitter started off as a radical free speech experiment, but widespread harassment is forcing the social media giant to rethink what kind of platform it wants to be.
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[@troyb6128]

You want freedom of your speech, not freedom of speech. Can't have it both ways

[@dylandate8459]

Harassment shouldn't be covered under freedom of speech.

[@mr.normalguy69]

@@dylandate8459 I find your comment to be very harassing towards me, you should be banned for indirectly inciting hatred. Harassment shouldn’t be covered under freedom of speech.

[@julybabylio]

jonathan smith HAHAHA ur good at this game

[@kevkus]

@@dylandate8459 criticism is not harrasment. It happens all the time to people in the public eye. If I say someone is a terrible actor and is annoying it's not harrasment. On the other had throwing things at people such as milkshakes is a form of harrasment or even assault. My mom alw told me "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me." This is not only good advice but a required attitude if you plan on living in a free and democatic country.

[@AndrewGreenaway]

@DylanDate I am hurt and offended by your harrassment towards Troy B.

[@dimduk]

What people really want is Freedom of My Speech, Not Yours.

[@nntflow7058]

WHat people doesn't really want is doxing or harassment.

[@dankmeme8849]

Harrashment xD xD

[@angelusnielson7135]

No, what people want is freedom of repercussions for thier speech. Which should never happen.

[@Micklemoose]

Freedom of speech will never happen as long as there is anonymity. All freedoms come with responsibilities, and the internet removes the responsibility from the speaker for what they say. What we really need is instant universal doxing. I would know who you are and you would know who I am. I suspect it is only a matter of time before this happens.

[@verbaledge]

Michael Williams freedom of speech means there are no repercussions. that's why people want anonymity. they know they are not free to say what they want any other way. if twitter wants to make it so you have to verify who you are before using it, then that's their business, but i seem to be one of the only people that remembers when the internet was first starting and EVERYONE said "don't share too much personal information over the internet"

[@beckettkriner8050]

"No, that's just a text from my mom." A depressed look comes on his face.

[@jh29a]

the humor isnt that nice on this one imo

[@jackd6269]

I’m so sick of these comments from people who obviously didn’t watch the video

[@chidzhustle3570]

Honestly they come with their pre-meditated thoughts on a video they won’t even watch, and leave as if they’ve done something

[@jackd6269]

@@ASS_ault ok?? No I’m actually not on Twitter but what does that half to do with the video?

[@thomasmaxwell954]

@@ASS_ault Ok? It’s his first amendment right, who cares?

[@eponymousviewer8497]

Context is the light Mr. Denicore. We must cherish such a virtue we need.

[@presidentoftheussr5601]

I watched he video, it’s what u think.

[@demongrenade2748]

Hmm, I really like the "What about this?" section of this video. Really highlights the trouble of trying to define what is harassment and what isn't. Twitter is in quite the pickle.

[@drunkenlancer5895]

I really agree with this comment, I think Vox is getting a lot of hate for nothing in this relatively objective video.

[@stefstokman3593]

@@ASS_ault is this a bot?

[@TOH_Fan]

@@stefstokman3593 Almost certainly.

[@misteraxeman2680]

Vox: "Hate speech is anything I disagree with"

[@cosmosnomad]

*Trump

[@southpaw8040]

bingo!

[@alishaohara6986]

And milk shake with cement is great, right?

[@alexsmith2910]

That's not a quote.

[@lukasroth9735]

4:43 srsly do you even watch the video ?

[@carmelopappalardo8477]

The 1st amendment does not protect the speech you like but the speech you do not like.

[@carmelopappalardo8477]

@@Andrew-rk3dn You Are A Dumdass! Free Speech!

[@bradfrye1098]

The G mafia and woke warriors really are a thing and it is scary.

[@guffinator70]

Perfectly said

[@comradecommissar311]

Andrew I take it English is not your first language? Smh

[@cloroxbleach118]

actually it just protects us from suppression of speech by the government

[@derekjbarbee]

This was a great video. The section starting at 4:51 illustrating the difficulty of where you draw the line with problematic tweets was particularly eye-opening. Also, the interrupting texts from his mother, alarm, etc. genuinely made me laugh out loud.

[@radix4801]

1. Give people the tools to filter their notifications, and the trolls don't get fed. 2. Single-party enforcement will always fail. 3. The answer to bad speech is more good speech, not more restrictions on what can be said.

[@moneymack151]

Radix totally agree

[@Crispr00]

Radix yes

[@aresmars2003]

I don't use twitter, but I see you can block people, so that looks sufficient. Perhaps in the future we'll have our own "bots" who will block abusive people by criteria we set up, so even 1000 fake-account bots can be suppressed without ever seeing them? www.laptopmag.com/articles/block-someone-twitter

[@JigglyJuice-sl4mx]

Radix "the answer to bad spee is more good speech" I'm sorry, but have you ever been on the internet before?

[@memyselfandinobodyfromnowh9087]

👏👏👏this

[@swissyodeler6970]

The solution seems pretty easy to me. Just ban users that make direct threats to other users. NO banning on basis of opinion, no matter how controvorsial it may be. If it's not making any threats, it gets to stay.

[@edwardliu111]

And what precisely constitutes a threat?

[@swissyodeler6970]

Threating them with harm.

[@zacharydemko1835]

I agree, that's a good starting point and doing that is better than doing nothing. But to continue it a little further, what about making direct threats to other groups of people, which causes individuals of that group to feel fear? I think Twitter should do that, too, whether the target is black people, Jewish people, white people, or any other group of people. No one should have to feel afraid of someone hurting them because of their identity.

[@VulpinetideCuteTimes0w0]

​@@zacharydemko1835 Will banning the edgy racist that makes threats. prevent him from carrying out the threat in person? Banning people for threats doesn't get rid of potential violent acts. Banning racists doesn't stop them from being racists. It's the equivalent of sweeping dirt under under the rug.

[@rickrollrizal2364]

I thought you have thick skin?

[@Ghost-jy9hk]

Maybe he meant foreskin

[@darrickmeadows8216]

No he has chicken skin

[@rickrollrizal2364]

@@propterhawk3585 kzbin.info/www/bejne/jKvSi5lqfqaZd8U It's related to this. He says only journalists can report news. He had an agenda. Unfortunately, he won. As expected of youtube.

[@blizzardregulus]

Maybe this is projection like how his circle likes to portray Trump supporters as always saying, "I'm not racist, but-"

[@rouymalic4463]

@@rickrollrizal2364 uy si Rizal

[@TheDrewThornton]

1/3 of the votes on this video are thumbs down.

[@ressnar]

More like half now

[@roknroller6052]

So half the people have common sense 🤣

[@dianaprince1552]

Dave Robinson - Probably even more thumbs down than being recorded... KZbin has a history of tampering with the votes if they lean conservative.

[@katalbinson6562]

Dave Robinson That’s good!

Considering that Vox is an echo-chamber, that's an impressive ratio.

[@wuffmayvc]

Most of these "Twitter" problems are more likely problems of the society using it. Twitter can only do so much but I don't think they are to blame.

[@joekotlarsic4360]

I agree they shouldn't be blamed but if twitter wants to promote free speech they should honestly do absolutely nothing.

[@joekotlarsic4360]

The whole idea that by not stopping a conflict you support the dominant side is stupid you literally don't support either side.

[@SAli-uh3qr]

Vin Cent but at the same time they should at least do something about it

[@walterkelly]

Yeah, the problems of hate speech, racism, intolerance, belligerence, trolling, etc., will always be endemic to free speech. It's free, not restricted. But hey, like, sticks and stones...etc. We are free to refute, reply, disregard, ignore. And, the opposite, like in Russia, China, etc., means some guys with too much power and money tell us what we can or can't say. YT comments would disappear overnight.

[@majorevangelism]

+JoeKing K I think that's the problem. Twitter isn't the only people capable of shutting down free speech. Obviously people shouldn't be refrained from criticizing people or opinions, however harassment for the sake of harassing someone to drive them off the platform is just as destructive. If they did nothing, than they are allowing these mobs to run parts of Twitter instead.

[@kimiesta]

That's a text from my mom ~~~

[@creativeusername6453]

That made me laugh way harder than it really should have

[@politics9811]

WRAP IT UP!

[@ikaemos]

I like that Vox seems to be following the same tone trajectory as the Marvel movies - a consistent slide into comedy.

[@ilikeceral3]

God I wish my mom was as nice as carlos’

[@KevinShihKevinFresh]

i cri evri tiem

[@brain_apostrophe_t]

"Nah its an alarm I set for myself" omg I pissed myself

[@soutpielsanchez1574]

1:50 - OK. I'll admit it. Carlos made me laugh for the first time ever.

[@d_wang9836]

"Twitter?" "Nah, its my mom" Lol

[@Chrisallengallery]

She should delete her account ! Someone call the police for online harassment !

[@mattsickel9875]

I'd say that if I was his mom

[@NicitoStaAna]

why am i seeing you everywhere?

[@HxH2011DRA]

What's good boi

[@leavy]

FOURTH REICH he’s suppressing the anger that there are people who use names like “FOURTH REICH”

[@qpid8110]

The montage where you asked what is hate speech and harrasment was really well done. I think those few seconds illuminated the difficulties of twitter and free speech. Great work!

[@GraeHall]

I have to give the producers of this video real no joke props with their motion graphics work, how animated between various examples of "how about this?". It was beautifully executed, whether or not you or I agree with their points, those transitions between images, between examples, they were so smoothly presented. There's the verbal content of a video, and there's the actual art direction content of a video, and the motion graphics of this video were art directed fantastically.

[@abcdefg54321x]

*STICKS AND STONES!* *NO censorship is okay!*

[@alexsmith2910]

Harassment is not censorship.

[@veryviolentanalfucking6641]

if you let random people’s opinions on the internet bother you, you are part of the problem

[@ericfernandez6706]

Free speech includes being mean to people...

[@KevinShihKevinFresh]

Free speech doesn't apply to hate speech. It only means that the government cannot restrict your opinions with a few exceptions

[@FunHowse]

Shih Town yes it does. Hate is free speech. Hate speech doesn't even have a legal definition

[@artski09]

and then these "few" suddenly get very undefined and all encompassing

[@KiTheMC]

Free speech doesn't apply to private entities. Twitter is not a public utility. it is a private company.

[@KevinShihKevinFresh]

Correct, it only applies to the government. Twitter is not the government, so therefore Twitter can make rules on whatever it wants, with a few exceptions, and you have to abide by them.

[@mikepalacios14]

So you want free speech but you want to control how people communicate............ that's not free.....

[@alexsmith2910]

Harassment isn't free.

[@philipmaclean1560]

That’s the problem he’s talking about.

[@hola-sn7lh]

you don't want freedom you want debauchery

[@flashbash2]

"Rich discussion will happen" had me laughing out loud. On the internet? That's a good joke. Carry on....

[@Ritaaw1]

You’re saying that does not happen at all?

[@elsythomas1210]

@@Ritaaw1 It does happen, but very rarely.

[@enguyen9708]

Just delete Twitter, my friend. It lifts burdens and frees your soul.

[@roshannair2118]

Did just that. It feels like a weight was lifted off my chest.

[@stunner55]

This man is evil and so is the company.

[@jeffm3825]

Free speech also means things you don't like.... Not just free speech for you

[@rr24]

Dayumm bro. Pretty high number of dislikes.

[@kekishkhan9321]

He's a snake.

[@ODST4570]

He's a clown snake

[@kekishkhan9321]

A slimy hypocritical clown snake.

[@heretical_cuttlefish]

richard L not high enough

[@ballz4kidz]

I wonder why a video featuring the target of an organized harassment campaign may have received a recent influx of negative responses . . .

[@majedalhakawati7]

I think they should only moderate content that poses clear danger, such as death threats, sexual abuse, etc...

[@Glhggthgr]

Majed Hakawati agreed

[@dstblj5222]

but under who's laws do you function, and regional opinions differ

[@ramasai1475]

and those countries are facing the consequences...... sweden,britain,germany as people r afraid to speak against ideologies like islam so as not to offend 'sensitive adult babies'.

[@leighross6472]

Andrew Smith no hate speech is difficult to nail down..... anti semitism should be allowed

[@leighross6472]

Akashi Seijuro yes indeed I live in Britain and I get paranoid by even saying the word black close to a negative connotations...

[@joshmartin4136]

"Shut up Carlos" and "wtf is this music" qualify as harassment?

[@flowerpunk5255]

Josh Martin this whole video is pretty much just "some people are saying mean things to me on the internet and I don't want them to be able to do that"

[@Skinnymarks]

If it's repetitive then yes. Unfortunately people don't know what manors are.

[@patpatng2]

No, inflammatory insults and troll-like behaviour reduces the quality of free speech, in a way drowns out constructive dicussion of real world issue. The very goal of free speech is to achieve the aforementioned, but trolls and hateful speech undermines twitter's effort to achieve free speech(which is what the video is talking about).

[@zx45zx]

people make videos like this because they cannot process people not agreeing with them

[@hexidecimark]

Manors are the household or mansion and the grounds surrounding, as well as any sub-properties the manor's deed supports.

[@SirCrest]

Took me a while to warm up to Carlos, but I enjoy the self-awareness in his videos now.

[@meesterSmeeth4182]

Stop harassing Trump. Your targeted attacks allowed by KZbin prove that they are not a GOP ally. Grow up

[@peskylogicchillinsky6007Futube]

White Smith amen god bless trump!!! Stop attacking the leader of the free world!!! We voted for him!! Stop offending us.

[@peskylogicchillinsky6007Futube]

Crackerman07 guess no one got that memo when Obama was president? Lol

[@johnnythewalrus]

Kris Chillinsky thank you! Took the words right out of my mouth! Made my day. :)

[@cosmosnomad]

@@peskylogicchillinsky6007Futube The right relentlessly harassed Obama when he was president....

[@slxsher4340]

@@cosmosnomad the left harrasses people for wearing a hat

[@keremtopalismailoglu933]

Vox can you make a video on how erdogan is turning turkey back to Ottoman Empire. Thanks

[@emreylmaz3330]

empolyon2 he is not turning back to ottoman empire. He use the ottoman empire to get vote. İs he good person ? No. But there is missunderstand overhere.

[@emreylmaz3330]

Uncle Ruckus Erdoğan is not a good person. But its not want to make turkey ottoman empire. İts not that easy. There is more complicated things is Turkey. But i cant tell you with my bad english.

[@user-og6vd6fc9l]

empolyon2 the ottoman empire back then had %70 ethnically non turk fighters. Now that everyone is doing something else, the ottoman empire is merely a dream for turks. Will never happen.

[@Nempty94]

I think its more about the current appeal of nationalism among electorates. like in turkey we are seeing increase in the right and the left, more nationalism and isolation (on the right say wilders in the PVV netherlands) with a stronger more emphasised response from the left as well (perhaps antifa in america shows that response eg). This polarisation is unhealthy and progressive liberal politics is fighting back as a result in some places, like in france and uk

[@user-og6vd6fc9l]

tom whitehead alt right islam rules turkey now. Anyone with a different opinion is killed or threatened. Its become illegal to do and say anything that might hurt the akp’s image. If you’re Kurd you are called a terrorist, if you are turk you are called a terrorist supporter of feytullah gulen. Basically a dictatorship that must be abolished or worse could come for turkey.

[@ahmadt7863]

That’s a text from my mom🤣

[@cookingforfools8691]

No, harassment is lobbying to silence and suppress the views of those you disagree with.

[@toddhitchens6272]

Twitter was suppose to be for me and me only.

[@Dr_Sweendog]

Ahh journalist in favour of censorship. Such a paradox

[@CrayCrowman]

He is part of a special subset of that hates the internet because it has eroded their gatekeeping power. He even did a video where he talked about how in an ideal world their would be gatekeepers anywhere journalism is produced. TLDR: he sucks.

[@demaupin]

@ Clay C The way he spoke so positively about gatekeeping, and described it as the most important facet of journalism, was absolutely chilling.

[@justinnamuco9096]

@@demaupin he's just a manchild

[@cultureoverall3012]

You lost me when you called Comcast and Verizon neutral providers, they are not.

[@boysoul2075]

The Sensible Position gonna need you to explain this nonsense

[@kylecortes]

Yep- CONcast

[@troyk7100]

Every tweet about harassment in this video is essentially what YOU actually do here and on Twitter

[@alexsmith2910]

Vox is not harassing you. You came hear and shared your opinion. Actually you accused them of harassment. This 'evidence' does not hold up in court.

[@zacheryjequinto7259]

There are limits to the word free. There's a reason why you don't want to say n-word to a black person when you aren't black yourself.

[@MajorMlgNoob]

People don't want to be called out when their words hurt someone else

[@twally87]

you have the freedom to say the n-word to a black person. There is no "limit" on that in and of itself. It's hurtful, isn't advised and you'll sound racist, but you have the freedom to say that.

[@laujelek]

If you dont like the argument or the tweet just say it and counter it with another argument or tweet. It is a free speech platform not a social justice platform.

[@Admiral_Jezza]

They don't have "another argument." They know they are wrong so that's why they want to censor.

[@technobloode9709]

It's not even that

[@XMan396]

free speech does not mean freedom of consequence

[@verbaledge]

yes it pretty much does...we only limit it in very extreme circumstances, or used to. the whole point of it is so dissenting voices can be heard without fear of repercussion

[@StructiveINK]

There is a thing called BLOCKING PEOPLE. I've been using it since I started.

[@mathesonbell5532]

Who’s watching after trump lost his twitter account?

[@insanylum13]

The irony is palpable.

[@roblaenrd1892]

"It's an alarm I set for myself" 😂😂😂 You are hilarious

[@TheHummdog]

This wasn't about harassment, he used his identity to try to ban a political adversary over some edgy jokes. I don't believe for a second that he ever felt in danger because of the supposed backlash over some jokes. He wanted to ban him over political views

[@manzero134gd]

It is freedom of speech when it's in favor of them.

[@secretace]

Is VOX advocating censorship? O.o

[@danielleward-goyette7476]

You need to go find your safe space. And stay.

[@mattdog420yo3]

Brilliant!

[@pierrepanse2356]

And if you intend to state your opinion online, expect others to do the same.

[@shinku5463]

A hole at a truck stop men's bathroom.

[@paulbunyangonewild7596]

God these comments on this comment. Also ditto

[@AamirVachku]

Absolute freedom is an illusion.

[@mozarth]

Who draws the lines in regards to speech then?

[@justinnamuco9096]

It actually isn't.

[@arturintete2461]

Justin Namuco it actually is.

[@zacheryjequinto7259]

@@justinnamuco9096 very much is. We have laws. True freedom is do whatever you want no limits what so ever.

[@chriswalker3375]

Speech is NOT violence, throwing things at people IS violence! Remember like you told your followers to do!!!??

[@thomasdupont7186]

there is different forms of violence that have been researched and well known today. Physical violence is not the only form...

[@comradecommissar311]

Thomas Dupont Violence: behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something.

[@Toasty_-jx6zk]

Chris Walker this isn’t about him

[@alexsmith2910]

Remember when black students had to deal with white supremacists in school. Yes speech can harm.

[@chriswalker3375]

@@alexsmith2910 It does not matter it may cause "harm" but it is not violence and clearly protected by our US Constitution as SPEECH!

[@ishbanyadav]

Harassment is everywhere. I am from India and people throw hate speech at me although my comments are positive. But I just stick to Haters gonna Hate Creators gonna Create

[@FortuitusVideo]

Mr IY Tweeting is not a creating.

[@ok-wi7kt]

Mr IY open bob show vagene

[@kanishk890]

dude stop spamming every youtubers comment section .

[@hapikohw]

You got that from Phil?

[@teethgrinder83]

Which is a great outlook until haters swarm and effectively shut down what you create or try and say

[@Fillipe.356]

COME TO BRAZIL not you, Carlos

[@T33K3SS3LCH3N]

The same thing happened to Reddit, and that platform was actually BETTER thought out in this regard... The idea was that the community would regulate itself. It was a declaration of confidence towards the userbase, that their sense of responsibility would prevail statistically. With the voting system and ability to create new subreddits with new moderation principles at any time, the community was given all the tools it needed. It worked decently well for a couple of years until Eternal September struck. It has only gone downhill since, and the no administration attempt has gone up in flames as the website attracts the worst parts of society, which aren't willing to stay away from the stupidities and barbarism that we thought western civilisation had overcome.

[@Albanez39]

Depends on the sub. Some are mature and employ constructive criticism to prove a point or attack yours; other subs are just huge groups of immature males that upvote a dumb joke and downvote anyone that expresses some true insight. Other then flock to that reply and downvote it even more without actually understanding or even reading it...they just do what everyone does...

[@sherristiller]

If it hurts your feelings, then leave. You are not special.

[@PicturesJester]

"Thats a text from my mom" that was great

[@ambushbob5383]

Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me.

[@GANTZ100pts]

Unless you're on the left.

[@ambushbob5383]

@@GANTZ100pts then words are literally violence.

[@jimmysides8857]

The free speech listed in the constitution was put there specifically for unpopular or disliked speech. I don't agree with many of the things said on social media but I defend people's rights to say them. As long as it is now a direct call for action, then it's good to go. If you don't like the platform or your ideas aren't good enough to survive some criticism then don't post there. Maybe start a new platform that is more in tune with your ideas. We are still free to do that in this great country. I, myself, have been called a "troll" yet I belong to no organized online social community for deliberate disruption. I just had a different opinion than the ones who labeled me as a troll. In a since, they were harassing me. But I am grown and can deal with differences in opinion so I am not looking to have them banned. This all seems like a great deal of "my feelings got hurt so you have to go".

[@taliat1971]

You are 100% correct my friend!

[@TRASHMONGR]

I think to some extent he's more specifically talking about targeted, repeated harassment that can lead to the recipient kinda feeling like garbage. Like if I said something that I thought was fine online, and then got 150 tweets at me calling me a dumb *insert slur* etc. I think I'd take his side. And yeah. Anyone can be harassed online. By anyone. So ban people who say awful slurs in bad contexts. Ban people who are infringing upon others rights with targeted harassment.

[@ronswanson1410]

​@@TRASHMONGR I respect your response, but I disagree in that bullying doesn't go away with silencing people. It just emboldens them. When it comes to the internet... Dude you might as well be living in a house made of doors and windows. Anyone can see you and you can see anyone. How are people to behave? You have to know the nature of beast. The beast is a manifestation of everything we do to fuck other people over, be it for the right or wrong reasons, but the beast is in all of us. You can't silence that. You can muster it up within yourself or be food for everyone else. That's how life works. That isn't going to change at all by telling people what they are and aren't allowed to say. Look into the history of people accepting censorship in order to feel protected if you need any historical context of my reasoning.

[@TRASHMONGR]

@@ronswanson1410 You have many great points, thank you for the discussion. I honestly agree with the fact you have to grow thick skin, and that it emboldens them when they're banned, silenced, etc. Because humans will be egged on when they get a reaction. And the only real way to have harassment stop is to just take it, don't budge. I just won't ever stand by when it crosses the line of targeting someone for an opinion/belief so I think we need some way to help it, although it may not be banning, I feel it's better than nothing. But I understand what you mean and why you disagree. Conversation is important in these trying times. Thanks.

[@ronswanson1410]

@@TRASHMONGR No worries. Adults converse and children bicker. Thanks for being mature adult w me :). I think you just want people to live happily. I can't fault that. I am only skeptical on how we achieve the mission because I want that too.

[@katethegoat7507]

Hoo boy lots of people here who don't understand the points brought up in the vid

[@jesuschristthesecond]

1:45 - First time I've ever laughed at a Vox video

[@Mikeyvellii]

Nice political compass profile pic.

[@ypdd91]

Right!? XD

[@NightHawk92929]

Normally I like this guy but don't find him funny. That was the one exception to that.

[@uniqueblue1114]

Isis/terrorist accounts are rampant on twitter. But nah lets focus on the trolls, they are the worst of all

[@annoythefish]

Unique Blue islamophobe spotted, prepare for reeducation, bigot.

[@SFUWags]

There is actually a reason they haven't taken those accounts down, there is a massive amount of intel that can be garnered from those accounts. GPS, social networks, recruiting strategies, and much more ca be gleamed from those accounts as the governments actively due. The thing is harassment and other activity detailed is not nearly as useful or paramount to any bigger investigation or anything. The harassment is just a issue of randomness rather than any concentrated effort.

[@fakeItRight]

Isis is a construct made up for the people in Alabama who might want to send their children to another awesome war somewhere so we can justify our ludicrous defense budget. Isis is just the name of the big troll farm in the desert east of dumbfuckistan

[@uniqueblue1114]

Fair point. But what about indoctrination?

[@SFUWags]

So I looked it up, and while initially that was the case sometime last year the policies switched from government wanting the accounts up to them wanting them down so twitter terminated over 100,000 accounts linked to terrorist accounts. ( www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/02/twitter-isis/460269/) This is honestly a decent job considering the estimates at the time were about 1/3 that number of isis linked twitter accounts. To answer your question on indoctrination, thats kind of the nature of this problem isn't it? For as much intel is being collecting there is always the issue that the same source of important intel is also a source propaganda for further issues. In 2014 when isis spread at insane rate over Iraq. It was new force and I suppose the intel and strategies were far more important than the risk that they were going to indoctrinate others. As time went on Isis growth slowed and reversed and as such that physical fight seemed to be handled by Iraqi and Syrian forces. As Isis began to fail it reached out through social media trying to inspire terrorist attacks and as we saw in 2016 there was a response. If you watch recent isis propaganda they basically seem like the victorious caliphate regardless that they lost almost all of its territory. They can still get recruits and inspire terror attacks now even as they are about to be defeated in reality. So government saw their presence in social media as more trouble than its worth and told twitter to shut down any ISIS related accounts. TL:DR Indoctrination was always going to happen as long as ISIS the government felt that the amount they would gain from having these accounts info was worth the couple hundred recruits ISIS would gain in the process. Thing is as the war went on and ISIS lost the value of said intel became less important and social media presence became more deadly as terror attacks spiked. Twitter responded by banning 125,000 main ISIS accounts (worth noting that these are probably accounts of actual terrorist and ISIS efforts rather than just random people retweeting). Yeah you will see people responding to the to terror attacks on twitter seemingly in support but they get banned shortly after. (www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4532662/ISIS-fans-celebrate-Manchester-terror-attack.html) Every account seen here has been suspended.

[@ryakkikiojyn-ji3382]

You want the freedom to be awful without having to hear any negative feedback. Too bad, go away.

[@justinnamuco9096]

That's why they say "absolute freedom is an illusion". Those people are ridiculous.

[@moirawendel6658]

I really enjoy Strikethrough! Your videos are informative and entertaining. Thanks Carlos!

[@iostr]

Anarchy and freedom are been confused by the original rules of twitter. To be really free you also need to be educated. Disagree and/or express your own ideas isn't the same that just yell or insult someone, people usually write their twits in the heat without thinking what they want to achieve or communicate. But the idea of twitter is also unfiltered thoughts to nowhere in a popularity contest, so.

[@zacharydemko1835]

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[@davidg9649]

"With great power comes great responsibility" - Uncle Ben

[@John.T.]

That’s why the only responsible thing to do with speech is allow it to be free.

[@John.T.]

@Midorima Shintaro Twitter shouldn’t be the ones who control speech though. Just give each user the ability to hide tweets or entire profiles they don’t like. Done. Everyone wins. You think it’s acceptable that Twitter banned Trump from the platform - nobody’s ALLOWED to read what he has to say? ☝️What is responsible about this?

[@John.T.]

@Midorima Shintaro That’s not why they banned him off Twitter. I just gave you the solution that doesn’t impede on anyone’s rights.

[@John.T.]

@Midorima Shintaro A) your most recent comment has no real point or argument. B) yes they can…. C) we’re talking about harassers not trolls - they are not the same thing D) trump didn’t care about trolls or harassers. E) what we’re taking about is: if someone doesn’t like trumps tweets - Twitter shouldn’t ban him - Twitter should give users the ability to hide his tweets from their feed. Let the choice be up to the individual- not the corporation. F) if they can ban the POTUS - they can ban anyone - you believe that’s acceptable. 👍🏼

[@unreallilac5554]

OK guys I’ve come up with an ingenious solution to this problem. Remove Twitter. You can thank me for my big brain ideas later

[@dysongus4613]

You are based

[@NathanPlays395]

@@dysongus4613 u are based

[@MysticGamingJason]

Freedom is the right to tell others what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell

[@JohnnyReckless]

It's funny how Vox can post a video, and it is immediately spammed with dislikes. If you watch the video and don't like it then that's understandable. But if you just spam dislike to "lol trigger sjw's' before then you look like you're just part of a hive mind that will blindly hate everything with the name 'Vox' underneath it.

[@Fruzhin5483]

John Pawl maybe the video starts really annoyingly and ppl just get a negative feeling. the trump reference at the start was so useless that it doesn't make sense to be put

[@quintenfranks8024]

It's a segue

[@crashingwolve]

I agree, Vox does alot of well informed and well conveyed videos that discuss important topics using credible and valid information sources. However a video with a title that boils down to and is as illogical as "free speech is killing free speech" further shows this series of increasingly biased videos that don't discuss any real problems or issues.

[@albertovillaescusarico9456]

Trolls be like: "Lol, gonna generate traffic for this video to own the libs."

[@stijnlauwen6227]

It's paradoxical. Not illogical.

[@jaymay7957]

My son cry’s when he wants something too! Sometimes I feel bad say awe and pick him up and sometimes I realize he is manipulating me to get what he wants.

[@Albanez39]

Even if Instagram has started gaining a lot of traction the last year, Facebook still remains the most complete social network. It's Instagram, Twitter, Tumblr, Linkedin, KZbin all in one. But still, it's also the most malevolent of them all...

[@alyx6427]

“He or she” yep, enbies are above the rules

[@unreallilac5554]

Yup

[@mbe67]

Well duh

[@politicallynonbinary]

Wow, this video just suddenly became so much more relevant given the last couple of days

[@heretical_cuttlefish]

“Free speech experiment” has got to be the most concerning thing I’ve read all day. The fact you would see it that way is all the more reason why we need it

[@egito9930]

"@SelenaGomez COME TO BRAZIL" I died

[@michaelkahn4983]

It's a rough internet out there. If you can handle it, log off, but don't make it worse for everybody.

[@newgreen956]

The sequence from 4:50 onwards is ingenious. I cant see how someone can criticise this video for having a bias

[@iAmTheSquidThing]

Yeah, that was actually a very fair and interesting thought experiment.

[@Plasmallama]

honestly and all these ideologues jumping to conclusions makes me unbelievably sad. :C

[@NotANameist]

Then go ahead and jump to 5:45.

[@iollankmurphy4496]

If you don't support free speech for people who don't agree with you, you don't support free speech. It's easy to support free speech when you agree with the content

[@TheKiroshi]

Free speech doesn't make you immune from repercussions of what you've said. There are times and places for all discussion, but harassment isn't justified as free speech.. Its an attack, and not protected by Anything other than inaction.

[@akki015]

You can't hurl abuses and threats online and say "oh I'm just exercising my right to free speech" that applies to both left n right wing

[@rsp9238]

free speech doesnt mean you can say what you want. for example, why would we tolerate ISIS spreading its content and ideology online...

[@varuzhankadoyan7377]

"You can't hurl abuses and threats online and say "oh I'm just exercising my right to free speech" that applies to both left n right wing" Legally, yes you can. Social media platforms are private entities, however. You should never face legal consequences for tweeting anything, regardless if it's insults or not, but whether or not you get kicked out of the platform is completely dependent on that specific platform.

[@fkkk916]

Isis videos are online. And they should be on KZbin.

[@geekdiggy]

with what's been going on with twitter the last few months, this video is more important than ever.

[@Sfaxx]

Love your videos. Keep going man!

[@Maxiboi84]

How does the existence of hate speech make a platform non-neutral? I'm sorry but that comment makes no sense.

[@TheKiroshi]

They never said Twitter was "non-neutral". The only mention of such, was that since Twitter doesn't moderate itself well.. Its breed trolls into it.. And their (Twitter) response to that issue.. Is that they're unsure of what to do. You can't take neutral side if you need to moderate comments. And Twitter isn't willing to change to stop that. Their allowance of harassment, on the basis of trying to be "neutral" is what Voxx (and many other users on Twitter/post-twitter users) demand to change.

[@inamib.9786]

Think about it this way. If someone was bullying you everyday and your teacher saw it happen but didn't do anything about it what would you think? He has the power to stop it, but chooses not to, effectively taking the bully's side. It's the same principle here. Watching people get harassed and doing nothing about it when Twitter has the power to moderate the conversation is not neutral, but taking the side of harassers. Silence is tacit approval. When people being harassed start leaving Twitter it becomes a question of who is Twitter for? The people who want a civil conversation or trolls and hate groups?

[@Maxiboi84]

TheKiroshi Thanks, that was pretty insightful

[@babyfaec]

Inami B. The teacher isn't taking the bullies side, the teachers is taking no-ones side. Taking the bullies side would be joining in and bullying the person too.

[@paramortalics]

Except to make your allegory suitable, the neutral party here is the physical classroom itself--the _medium_ for conversation/discourse/interaction etc. Your metaphor is imperfect, it does not help your point. The actual discussion is over Twitter turning itself from a neutral classroom into an adjudicating principal.

[@hannah-marievillalobos1735]

People say mean things, it's a part of life; get over it. I rather have free speech.

[@devni428]

targeted harrassment based on someone's identity isn't just spouting "mean things". speech shouldn't be free if it's promoting violence against marginalised groups.

[@hannah-marievillalobos1735]

@@devni428 He never said to hurt him, so what violence was spread? And guess what Steven is a comedian, he makes fun of everyone get off your high horse

[@kabdreams93]

I love this series!

[@asg102]

This guy scares me.

[@tynan8641]

Make it so every account has to be verified and get rid of anonymous posting except in the case of whistleblowing (have some administrative oversight). You shut down bots and trolls who require anonymity. You shut down repeat accounts that only serve to further harassment. If people want to be terrible, they get to be, but at a similar social and possibly financial cost of being terrible in the real world.

[@13Luk6iul]

Free movement does not mean you can hit me in the face. Free speech should not mean that you can insult me.

[@draganpetrovic3823]

But what is even more important is that his content has a good quality and I learn every time about something new.

[@glyph_official]

"we'd better hope it knows what it's doing" hits different in November 2022

[@Matt-kg2uh]

Just do what you always do, block them and continue to refuse debate.

[@LoraxChannel]

How arrogant, you telling people what Twitter is supposed to be.

[@ImDougDimmadome]

Todd Walker To be fair, everyone on the internet is telling everyone on the internet how things on the internet should be lol

[@tamerlane9889]

Yes.

[@alexsmith2910]

Harassment is a blight on humanity.

[@billykobilca6321]

Laying it out there.... spot on

[@tylerhammond6590]

I like how when he mentioned the trolls and harrassers he mentioned all the alt-right groups and not, say, ANTIFA.

[@paulxavier331]

A lot of bad ideas exist in the world. Get over it. Most people will be able to tell the difference. If there were no bad ideas, there could be no good ideas.

[@jimmymcmanus9467]

Very interesting series

[@ReevansElectro]

Freedom is a concept that should never be said or used on its own without the concept of RESPONSIBILITY also attached. No one on Twitter seems to want responsibility for what they say.

[@12jaryd]

You can’t force people to say something or to not say something.

[@centralctbench6843]

LOL NO MORE FREE SPEECH ON TWITTER ANYMORE

[@Btouhy1]

Or youtube..

[@reiswan7105]

I thought those tweets were not real. Gosh,some people need to human up

[@ron034]

Yep

1. Who determines what is called "hate"? Who's standard are we using? Everybody feels and thinks differently. 2. No matter how nice you explain things, if someone is emotionally unstable and insecure they will find your entire idea as "hateful". Its like the word hate is being used as the word witch from Salem.