Hardly used and already dead MSI 1070 Aero

[@dex2531]

MSI sold these Aero’s at a premium due to its small size targeting the small form factor market. The fact that they skimped so hard on cooling with the heatsinks and the memory contact is real telling.

[@abracadabra6203]

they also deny repair on warranty. boycott worthy imo

[@georgeindestructible]

If the memory doesn't reach dangerous temperatures at worst case scenario, partially cooling it isn't an issue, so cutting corners isn't necessarily a bad thing, and it's certainly a better option than no cooling at all. These are design choices and they take build cost into consideration, they are choices which may or may not make the product perform bad or last way shorted life than it should.

[@ChrisStoneinator]

@@georgeindestructible ugh just fucking cool the chips man it’s not hard and not expensive either. I don’t mind paying a premium for heatsink size, better power delivery or aesthetics. But having proper contact with every component should be a fucking given. It’s. Not. Hard.

[@tristangmail7954]

Durability is very important, as well as quality. When you invest in a brand / graphics card, the bare minimum someone can expect is a good lifespan and decent performance... When the company doesn't respect it's costumers anymore and treat you like a one armed bandit then you have a problem, which you can see here. You made a valid point on cooling the memory, even nowadays most brands won't even bother to cool the vrm's. (even with cards pulling 250 watts +) It's a matter of decency and trust. MSI in this case chose to be the money grabber, in my case it was Powercolor with a RX5700XT chip. The card had a serious issue with heat and crashed frequently. It was a cooling issue with the VRM's. Solved it myself and never got a reply from the costumer helpdesk / servicecenter from Powercolor. The quality of the hardware seriously needs to be improved for us gamers! Enjoyed the video and greetings from the Netherlands! @@ChrisStoneinator

[@DimkaTsv]

@@ChrisStoneinator Well, on side of devil's advocate, RAM (at least up to DDR4 for sure) can somehow work without all these heat spreaders and much airflow. Manufacturers still design them in a such way mostly as they give a cool and bulky look for sticks, not that they provide much of a cooling. So... It actually depends on VRAM temps... For 1070 it could've not been so bad.

[@amtpdb1]

Most of the channels I watch will not do the reball as they seem to say it is too hard. You do it as though it is nothing. Thanks for the video.

[@AuDiGo6]

If you have the right tools, you can do everything.

[@northwestrepair]

i wish that was true

[@pascalvanschoor6240]

@@AuDiGo6 Lol.

[@lain39x]

Thanks for making aout an hour long videos love watching it.

[@HerrAlien]

I've seen PEX being delivered via LDOs - the XFX HD 6850 comes to mind, same for GT 1030's. Funny to see that in a 1070. In case of the HD 6850 though (but also GT 1030) the PEX would come up last, so having memory was not a guarantee that PEX was up. Love the videos, always something something to learn from them.

[@DrHouse-zs9eb]

Is there a video where all the voltages are explained? I have still no idea what PEX means 😅

[@JatXoc]

Rx 400/500 series has the "display" rail equivalent they also use LDO

[@GoonyMclinux]

​​​@@DrHouse-zs9ebpex is the power rail, pex vdd is the pcie voltage for example. The pex is basically the pcie controller and when it dies it generally takes the gpu chip with it, PLX/PEX are kinda the same beast, just look up pex pcie controller, those fancy ones are on the motherboard and blast data back and forth between the gpu pex controller and the motherboard pcie like a really fast usb port kinda.

[@farizfadillah7557]

same for 1050/1050Tis

[@Redmage913]

I always mutter to myself “Power helps…” every time I forget to attach a power cable. It always came in handy when working in-person tech support; doing so reminded both me and the client that we’re only human and make the same kind of mistakes regardless of training, and it’s a humorous bonding moment that helps create trust.

[@danytoob]

That one was a labor of love...all for a 1070. Gotta hand it to ya, perseverance furthers (iChing lore from my hippie days...yes I am THAT old). Nicely done.

[@relmdrifter]

I thought my ipad air charge port was hard to replace with a hobby soldering iron and magnify visor! Even with all the right tools what you did is pretty epic. Thanks for the vid. My 1070 Areo Itx is still going strong. Used to have it OC'd but had to turn it back, was causing crashes in a some games (maybe). I've thought about re-pasting the gpu but wanted to get some new pads first.

[@Yarogum]

44:56 дюна=) СПАСИБО.Твой ремикс супер❤‍🔥

[@JoeBob79569]

Yea, I really hate MSI. They refused to RMA my 1080ti a few years ago in Ireland even though it was under warranty, because I bought it on eBay from the UK and I wasn't able to "return it to the shop". They just flat-out refuse to deal with the pesky public, and they repeatedly deleted my support tickets, 3 times, before I was even finished talking to them! It was only a fan problem anyway, so I was able to fix it myself, but if you live in Europe it's definitely not a good idea to buy MSI stuff unless you know for certain that you can take it back to the shop you bought it from.

[@Ja-K]

Is that a Zalman 7000 cpu cooler 42:12? I used to have one of those back in the day.

[@TechnologyHive]

Congratulations on 100k subs man! I'm happy for you bro!

[@joshsam3166]

Hello Northwestrepair, I have watched some of your repairs on KZbin. I think you are a nice individual. So, I have a MXM 1060 in my old GT70 and recently try to cross-flash it's vbios with a similar one but the flash wasn't successful due to invalid image error. So just used normally and during a gaming session system suddenly freezed and a reboot throw up a code 43 error on both iGPU and dGPU. Since then the driver won't install even if the device is visible in device manager. Things I did; 1. Reinstalled driver 2. Flashed stock vbios (NVFLASH) 3. Restore default laptop motherboard bios 4. Try to repair Os 5. Reinstalled the dGPU 6. Disabled my antivirus. All yielded no result.

[@DJdoppIer]

There are so many of these MSI Aero cards that just die with minimal use. Not just these smaller cards either, I've seen lots of the large blower-style GTX 1070 and 1080 Aero cards dead as well. People should avoid these things like the plague.

[@venas543]

look how little this card is, back then it was a high end card.

[@PaitVideo]

Gigabyte made a little bit bigger but still itx 1080s, those were throttling pretty much straight from the factory.

[@iNubpwn3r]

It was never a high end card, midrange at best. But it was still very capable GPU. We had 1070ti, 1080, 1080ti - which is still a beast today, so much V-ram, Nvidia is bashing it's head over table till this day.

[@venas543]

Thanks for the heart @northwestrepair. I love your work.

[@Lurker-dk8jk]

Liking the soundtrack: 😀 44:55 - Genesis DUNE 2 Command Post 47:00 - "My own version"

[@1SaG]

I had a 1060 Aero/ITX back in the day because it was, literally, the only GPU I could find during the first mining-BS-induced GPU shortage. Performed surprisingly well for such an entry-level card and I do miss its small form-factor. My PC looked a lot cleaner on the inside and airflow in my case was also better with this one installed. That said: When I researched my current card and which brand to buy, I came across a tier-list video for the class I was looking at (4070). The guy pointed out that the cheaper MSI 4070s (think it was all the "Ventus"-models) were the only 4070s where the cooler didn't contact the VRAM and/or VRMs and that those coolers didn't even provide airflow to those components. Something I would *not* have expected from MSI - especially since all the other board-partner designs do provide some form of cooling for those parts on all of their models.

[@JCmeister9]

The Ventus models of MSI are just bad in general. Their gaming x/suprim cards are better for sure, but it sure does not inspire confidence to recommend them when they put out some poor quality products like their Ventus models for their gpu's.

[@GoogleUser-mk1vw]

you either pay with money, or with quality!

[@miagisaggio]

So much effort for a single fan 1070? I hope your prices are good enough for the big work that you do! Respect! Здорово из Италии!

[@DavidLeeMenefee]

I love your new opening really fancy.

[@tony359]

Did you squeeze one large solder balls back into two separate small ones with your tweezers????? Also, one of the few techs online who keep their workbench clean! Well done - that said the question is: a 1070 is worth nothing these days so I'm not sure I understand the purpose of the repair, unless it was just to show youtube something super cool! :) Also the soundtrack reminded me of Command & Conquer?

[@nowaywithyoueveragai]

I do see some reasons beyond that. To further teach us how to repair the mess of companies. While it is not worth for actual gaming, it might give some retro PC a chance, an old CPU without internal GPU some functionality.

[@johnroberts5540]

What is "worth it for actual gaming"? I have to reset the barometer every now and then, and this seems like one of those times, because a 1070 still seems pretty dang good to me.

[@HNedel]

That repair took a long time, probably cost more than the card itself

[@Mastadox]

That Dune II tune at the end.. awesome lol.

[@WI5EBLOOD]

All that for a micro budget 1070. OMG bless your heart.

[@trebel]

Thank you for all your hard work. I love the humor. Cheers m8.

[@28KKaann]

Just ordered this card for 75 bucks. Hope ot will run well. Previously i have bought the 1060 3gb msi aero itx and the seller decided to put in a small boy without any padding and ahip it like that. The slot was bend etc but the card runns just fine and is practically silent in furmark benchmark. Also mewer rtx 30 and 40 msi card are super silent. Only thing i have to critisize is that some fans seem to wear of quite quick or are low quality from factory and making a clicking sound.

[@scroopynooperz9051]

It's a beautiful thing to watch you work

[@dusan_silni]

Firstly, excellent work! You are my favorite channel for gpu fixes, in front of Kris the neat guy and Nortridge better than factory. I watch your videos on regular basis and you inspired me to start doing gpu repairs as a hobby, ie buying broken ones and try and bring them back to life and resell. I have my soldering and hot air / voltage injection station already arrived from PRC along with most of the tools that you use. (I don't intend spending Kris money ofc). Already fixed an old 560 TI although I jumped to a conclusion it wasn't memory problem since MATS doesn't seem to support gpus prior to maxwell...well today I learnt something new :) My question is : Do you recommend using square extension on a heat gun for BGA chips? Temps and air speed? Also would 45x45mm work for most mainstream gpus? Thanks in advance, keep up the great work!

[@northwestrepair]

Thanks.

[@bumpahhi]

I have learned something watching GPU repair videos, first thing you re-ball the core and it's 50/50 problem is fixed by then

[@eugenijusdolgovas9278]

At 48:00 Dune: The Battle for Arrakis - Command Post. Couldn't find the "remix" that's in this video. Waiting for confirmation.

[@SianaGearz]

Oh it must be on one of his other channels.

[@DuncanApex]

What a Masterpiece, Appreciate the video man

[@Dandan-tg6tj]

You got to love the way the memory thermal pads are so big. How can someone not love this?

[@SignedAdam]

That reball taken you longer than normal my friend, great music, maybe that why I like watching these videos more than Rossmann

[@EliteRock]

I have an Asus Dual GTX1070 (budget card) kicking around and it has no cooling of any kind on the VRAM chips, but they've only got heatsink fins between them and the fans except for half of -two- ETA > four of them which are under the cooler plate (like all eight are on this one). Similarly, they have half a pad on them, so I guess the pads are to compensate for the lack of air flow over the areas of the chips obscured from the fan by the cooler plate.

[@derkanderson3650]

you should always check tools before you start any project i was always stuck running back and forth tell. I learned that you should it makes the headaches go away i'm in construction

[@saberint]

Lol, I sat here screaming at my iPad: power cable, power cable😂

[@tyrellwreleck4226]

This guy just reball the core perfectly. Incredible

[@qbishop1]

Thank you!

[@dethskullcrusher]

Why is nobody talking about your version of the Dune 2 Command Post soundtrack is mistery to me, great remix!

[@Bluelagoonstudios]

Well that seems a bad one, I had a EAH5850 Asus card, and 2 weeks ago exploded on the power side of the PCIe bus, I was in time to get rid of that GPU very fast. Unfortunately, it took my power supply in its fall. So a major short circuit in the GPU.

[@finco7726]

had the same half-pads on MSI GTX 970 GAMING 4G under the frontplate... and none on the back (no backplate)

[@kikihun9726]

Try out the mods -gputestjs -oqa -test 2/3? -memorypercent 100 -pwrpercent 100 -matsinfo command(not totally like this, documentation or help mentiones these) This command will run the mats test at full power.

[@kokodin5895]

this memory might not het enough cooling, but have you seen some gigabyte ideas? r7 260x 2 momory chips get thermal pads, and 2 don't because they aredirectly under the heatsing fins and are air cooled with no contact to a heatsink at all

[@Zensaitv]

Wish cards were as small as the 10s but they got too hungry 😂

[@LittlepieceofP]

loved the new intro ;)

[@scotttait2197]

25:27 did you remember to plug power in , no power no detection

[@EinSwitzer]

Fuse lines / wax retainer / pcb substrate soak / RAM timing capacitors 3 sizes .

[@EkaMei]

I am surprised you bothered to reball a 1070. These cards barely worth $100 even fully working.

[@JohnnySmith1234]

35:30 Dave Chappelle / R Kelly reference?

[@bumpahhi]

@26:55 quite a curve ball, had to be careful not spit my food on my monitor

[@aleksandrbmelnikov]

YES! They do make a PCI-E ZIF slot for testing.

[@northwestrepair]

I don't need to test my slot. I need to replace it.

[@aleksandrbmelnikov]

@@northwestrepair Wish i could just give you link, but KZbin will delete my post.

[@aleksandrbmelnikov]

@@northwestrepair Take your old normal slot off. Then replace with ZIF type slot. ZIF: zero insertion force.

[@northwestrepair]

@aleksandrbmelnikov where can I buy it ? Remove dot com. Trick KZbin. You can email me using link in description

[@aleksandrbmelnikov]

@@northwestrepair Meritec. You have to place request. Google Images showed PCI-E.

[@DIYRepairHour]

I just had a GTX 970 with no coils on 5V or PEX or 1.8V. Just linear regulators.

[@georgeindestructible]

"hardly used", a relative term with lots of translation irl meanings...which could mean, " i never used it for games or extremely rarely for light games" but it was probably on a system with no airflow and possibly with the added fact that it's a budget card(possibly also with a subpar cooling system, configuration and/or implementation), it probably suffered a great deal of heat cycles or just being constantly running at like 60C, having heat staying in the entire PCB thus reducing its life span really fast, let alone another fact a lot of people miss, used with a PSU with a very bad ripple voltage.

[@thunderclap-3641]

New intro👍

[@karimfaressPlay]

Man of steel

[@Morpheus-pt3wq]

Correct me, if i´m wrong, but GDDR5, when not overclocked to the bone, did not need much of a cooling...

[@SianaGearz]

Yeah well consider the total heat of the GPU. The GPU only cools the core, doesn't know the RAM temperature. But core and RAM and VRM contribute to the PCB power/ground plane temperature. The discolouration of the substrate does come from somewhere, that epoxy has gone degraded, surely not from being comfortably cold. The RAM itself runs at temperatures that it is capable of surviving in ambient, but like, you can do better, and you don't have to engineer products for a mere 3 year life.

[@wesleypiper7675]

Good work

[@northwestrepair]

Thanks

[@brandonroeder2461]

So if the core needed reballing, is there a chance that C0 was actually fine? Btw, love the Genesis music. There are alot of games with stellar tracks, my 2 favorite being Streets Of Rage 2 and 3.

[@dorfschmidt4833]

Yes, memory chip could be fine.

[@PaulHigginbothamSr]

The 1070 aero probably had this problem all along and now problems still arise because of heat thermal issues.

[@TheBlueBunnyKen]

Cheaper msi cards are the cards to avoid

[@derim006]

what about rx 580 msi ???

[@PSXman9]

cheap models of anything in general are to avoid.

[@TheBlueBunnyKen]

@@derim006 MSI just has bad thermal design, it probably would overheat a lot. That card in general sucks a lot of power, but avoid msi

[@derim006]

@@TheBlueBunnyKen tnx on reply and tips :)

[@TheBlueBunnyKen]

@@derim006 could always look up reviews before purchase as well

[@clydek3227]

Another happy fix!

[@clintcolombin]

I suspect the card was lightly used, but in a case the whole time. the eventual sag could account for the need to reball

[@clintcolombin]

You wouldn’t normally think it, sure, but these cards aren’t new anymore, & gravity doesn’t just ignore them

[@clintcolombin]

Then how do you explain the solder ball issue? Light usage, age of card, nothing else makes sense with that evidence.

[@cinlung]

I love you "True RMS my ass!" device :D

[@jackpamular1623]

Awesome video as always :) guys make sure to always comment to this guy, so youtube will recommend his video the more comment the more YT will recommend his videos :) thats how YT algorithm works :)) also dont forget to click on ads, just click it no need to buy hahaha so he will earn more ad money :*

[@mibfox]

Since 90s I m building PCs and sells them. The most broking HW from my experience is from MSI. I see 2 red flags in this video. 1st, its msi card, 2nd its small type of card. I am not wondering THIS card is broken at all.

[@predatortheme]

Hey I wonder, what are the Linux based tools you keep using in your repair videos? I have tried to search for them but i cant find anything.

[@aleksandrbmelnikov]

Pad are too small? MSI cooling plate over memory is too small. And once again, there's no back cover. They just all-around screwed up going cheap. If it were your card, i'd say to find another cooling option. If it were mine, i'd switch to water.

[@mime4331]

ls -l shows if it's a folder or file

[@u9Nails]

Hopefully the sibling cards sent in this that one are kind to you.

[@RandomNick422]

nice new intro🙌

[@northwestrepair]

Thanks 😁

[@robertlee6338]

This card was discontinued 6 years ago

[@MasterJediSean]

I don't suppose you can use the PCIE X8 Slot instead of the top PCIE X16 Slot? or do you need the full x16 bandwidth for testing purposes? Just curious.

[@fcmancos884]

For gaming and get the full FPS you need all the bandwith, for stress test you don´t, miners only use x1 1.1 and they can burn the card using all the power in the core and memory, but anyway i think is good to know if the full PCIE in the card work as intended.

[@MasterJediSean]

Good Point, For higher end cards e.g. PCIE 4.0 64gb/s (RTX 4080,4090 etc.) you would need full bandwidth for an accurate test, especially on this PCIE 3.0 32gb/s Slot. Although many newer GPU only have an x8 bus, like my RX 7600, or the RTX 4060ti and many more are yet to come as the new PCIE 5.0 Support is going to have a much higher bandwidth 128gb/s thus more x8 cards. @@fcmancos884

[@ZeeNVeeN1]

we need more lesson about injection voltage for VGA

[@Maxximilian]

Any download link to "my own version" ?

[@northwestrepair]

its on my other channel. Look at my main page to find it

[@Maxximilian]

@@northwestrepair Done & thanks.

[@geoepi321975]

Why they don't put a socket on GPU that is very shame for the makers

[@iphonegoes1250]

THE BEST

[@criticscooby]

yeah banana color is boring so better be they do something better with that

[@michaelwood9866]

i wonder how much it costs to do that job and is it really worth it

[@PSXman9]

what a ridiculous amount of effort for a 80 dollar GPU...

[@soldierglider]

👍

[@UnrealVideoDuke]

The card looks like it is a 1050i. You would think they would have more fans on a 1070

[@yanagida_01]

8:18 thermal bits🤣

[@rotgut-12]

The 1070 Aero makes me sad because it has terrible cooling, and only 3 gb of vram...

[@constantinesoldatos]

I call them Bikini pads.. It's why the memory's so ''hot''.. Get it..? hot. I'll leave now.

[@aliemlek]

👌👌👌👌

[@slkslk9324]

🥳

[@mabyss4674]

what software did he used when testing gpu ?

[@4zims]

leaked software from nvidia - Nvidia modular diagnostic software

[@Kiekerr]

What do you mean with PEX/PAX?

[@Thelemorf]

PEX rail goes directly to the core to power the PCIE logic on it.

[@Rmm1722]

wow

[@ajayaYtube]

🙏👏👏👏🙏

[@apotato5563]

Why are MSI cards always so cheaply build? They usually have really good performance but are made to the bare minimum like their 3070 where even their mid range Gaming X had a worse vrm than every other 3070. Or their 4070 where they just skipped on cooling two phases.

[@ottokrieg]

there's no way all this repair work is worth the time right?

[@FacialVomitTurtleFights]

msi 970 has the famous fan issues and wicked coil whine... Have not been impressed by their psu either... still getting an msi motherboard but never gpu/psu again.

[@lowkey3820]

Why would someone spend money to fix a 1070 card? You must have great prices for repairs. That card can’t be worth more than $100.

[@EinSwitzer]

1070 Toxic kicks 1080tis with power frames and single 8 pin mini

[@EinSwitzer]

I call it my demi titan

[@CallMePaine]

I avoid MSI like the plague.

[@dillon4813]

gotta fix something for yourself? itll be about 1 year wait

[@jaypeeztabernac851]

Lol, you love pooping on MSI,i have 3 examples of their RX580 4GB Armor cards that I bought from a miner and this was 5 years ago they are still going strong :)

[@South_0f_Heaven_]

EVGA were always the best GPU’s. They learned from their mistakes and always upgraded cooling on at least the 10 series. Other manufacturers design their cards and sell them accordingly, with at least the 10 series getting cooling updates during its generation of manufacturing.

[@peterlarkin762]

Pooping on brands creates division and results in more comments. It's also how politics, media etc works.

[@warrendyver1055]

Not a piece of junk then, simply cos its not AMD?

[@sylwesterirla9246]

.

[@Hellwalker855]

Don't buy MSI.

[@sogetsu60]

But it's so easy to kill them today. Just boot up Starfield.

[@OneCosmic749]

Since it was a cheap MSI card i would suggest throwing it into bin