Pan Africanists vs Christians DEBATE: Is Christianity A White Man's Religion? pt1

[@HardlyInitiated]

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[@bigalescurlark8294]

Number one he keeps saying Asia well Western Asia was Africa wasn't it

[@bigalescurlark8294]

Also I'm a Christian because of my mother and she's a Christian because of her mother and so on no one really studies the Bible like that they just go on what was told to them

[@myagray4093]

@@bigalescurlark8294 This is not fact. You can read the Bible! Everyone won't because most are too lazy. But if you are going to let another man tell you about God instead of seeking the source and conducting the research then you are choosing to be a fool.

[@KingDavid1979]

@@HardlyInitiated "to anoint", and its derivatives are rendered in Greek by the verb khrio, the nouns khrisis and khrisma, "anointing" by the Greek substantivized adjective ὁ χριστός / ho khristós, "the anointed one, the one who has received the holy anointing" or by the Greek substantivized participle ho kekhrismenos ("the one who has been anointed) only Greek? Roman paganism christianism is pagan origin with the Virgin myth, we jew only say Hacohen Hagadol , anointed hight priest, Ezekiël 37-28 , no need jesus corpus delirium to build the temple . Christianism not belong to the covenant.

[@mstiffany]

How can I reach the individuals on this live: Jarrod and Melek specifically?

[@kayj2538]

Pastor Jerome said, “I know my Book.” That’s all I needed to hear. Lemme go read right now!!!

[@th3sevenera76]

He knows doctrine that they taught him in a seminary, he gets his understanding from Church fathers like Augustine, Athanasius, and Thomas Aquinas focused on defining doctrine, such as the Trinity, original sin, and predestination. incorporated Greco-Roman philosophy.

[@maxpowers111]

​@@th3sevenera76 What do you mean?

[@atyner5662]

@@th3sevenera76thank you

[@KatieWyt44]

That’s nonsense and I can tell you don’t read YOUR Bible

[@KatieWyt44]

@@th3sevenera76 and it’s predominantly evident and how many people like your comment so I want you to go SIT DOWN somewhere before you interject your opinion and READ YOUR BIBLE yourself and stop being the idiot that why people think you are🤷🏿‍♀️ I HAVE YOUR WHITE STOP TROLLING. ALL THE EVIDENCE IS THERE IT’S IRREFUTABLE…… IRREFUTABLE.

[@mahin.t3427]

I am from Africa (Ethiopia to be specific) and I must say I’m so delighted to see Christian apologetics of such calibre in our time. Hats off to Damon & Jerome! So refreshing to hear words being put to what some of us couldn’t utter but know it deep in our being that Christianity (Jesus Christ) is the answer to all confusion and disillusionment out there!

[@kelsmoshigh]

I forgot those beautiful churches built into hills named but they were showing how they have a white Jesus on display but have a black one that isnt kept on display? This was several years ago so im not sure if still the case. Bottom line Christianity in modern form is white

[@GQ-jv9uw]

Amen

[@rubyring2461]

Amen 🙏

[@alokobaju8288]

You Ethiopians were the first to be converted to the Christianity scam

[@LindaHarris-q5w]

When you ask did JESUS ever exist , that's like asking do GOD exist , and is the Bible true . Because JESUS is written in the beginning as being the WORD that was with GOD and became FLESH and dwell with us for a while . So the question is do you believe in GOD written WORD , which is all man has to tell him about his own existence and future and his end location , and most of all who Created him / man . But if man prefer creating his own god that neither claim to create him /man , nor claim to have created the heavens and the earth in everything in the world . Next tell me who is your god and where do your god dwell at ? if you have a different faith than what the Holy Bible teach , my final question is who is the author / teacher of your faith ? Shalom / Peace .

[@JustTeachMinistries]

Proud Christian here represented by two giants Damon & Jerome. They were studied, factual, and tactical debaters. What a treat, I’m so inspired.

[@andreford4622]

@@JustTeachMinistries Factual???? Nothing these two brainwashed negros said anything factual. Nothing in the Bible can be proven, and you can't call facts when the only reference you have is the book that your defending. There no grave site for anybody in the Bible, and neither Mathew, Mark, Luke or John ever witnessed, knew, or even lived in the same time period as Jesus but Christians accept this as facts....lol..... Look up the first christ, Serapis then get back with me.

[@LRoss-ct5ln]

😂😂😂😂 you a clown it was a bunch of dick licking & none of them are correct their saying the same thing people said in the 80's which have been debunked so these dudes pushing lies of what they been coerced to learn!

[@yawos9024]

I am a Christian too, but I think they are indoctrinated by western European lies. Tell us: Was Enoch a Jew? Was he a white man? In the book of Amos (9:7), it is written: 'Aren't you like the Kushites O' Israel'? Biblical traditions were more African than Europeans. It is only after the Romans coopted Christianity that the adulteration happened. It is even indicated in the Bible.

[@jordanrice498]

I’m a Christian and happy to see these types of convos. Great job Damon and Jerome 🙏🏿 for those who don’t believe in Jesus as Lord and Savior

[@t.j.p._ii]

Im Liberian my great grandfather was chief Zoe in Liberia head of all the Zoe’s. Z can ask her family bout Kpangua(Pong-gway)Jallah. My Grandfather was next in line to take over for his father. They sacrificed to everything but my grandfather got saved because a missionary told him that Jesus is the only sacrifice that saves him and satisfies the creator. And as he did more studies he came to that conclusion himself. Christianity is a religion/culture of a brown people a North African people to be exact. Jesus is for the whole world. And while I love my culture and its traditions, there is only one thing that can save my soul and that’s the blood of Jesus. 💯

[@Tony-t5d]

As a black man I've always said that some black people give white people way to much credit.

[@janepatton8100]

Indeed... Way too much credit.

[@gloriagrace2555]

Say it louder

[@jjfigureditout]

Give them to much credit by worshipping a God that seen it fit for them to be saved by word of mouth. But the rest of the undiscovered world America and west Africa had to have be enslaved, killed and emasculated to God to get the message across. Peoples lack of looking at the reality of things is what gives white people too much credit. “Slaves honor your master with fear and trembling as you would Christ. Why would God have anyone treat another fallible human in such a way. He didn’t it is a man made BOOK.

[@kelsmoshigh]

True but its hard to really look deep and realize we have been hood winked. Jesus is white in Christianity period. We can try and chocolate dip it but Christian Jesus is white

[@scienceandmatter8739]

How thats Not on Base of SKIN COLOR opinion so Not better than Things past ?!

[@Tavymckenzie]

These guys are super creative with coming up with the best hardest hitting topics. I’m literally getting my life. These are things that you can’t just talk about with other Christians or your pastor. I love it here!!

[@IamBillionaireBen]

Facts

[@ShaneGuyton-mj1mv]

That's why you have to learn how to do research for yourself. Church just doesn't have the time to teach some of the things that may come up from individuals or occults.

[@michaelthompson6452]

This is sad!! Dr. Clark and Dr. Ben, our crying.

[@oashy]

It's crazy how when Christian defend our faith we "too spiritual" and don't have facts but when we do present facts now it's "too academic" ... like hello???

[@G87-w3i]

Y"all dont have facts at all smh so you believe in an talking snake😂 and who is Lilith by the way ?? Smh

[@IamBillionaireBen]

The best comment this far 💪🏾💪🏾

[@ImTiredOfThisChurch]

@@G87-w3ibut you believe a man can be a woman 😂. Stop taking the Bible literally to accuse Christians of anything you want

[@weziefaith5484]

​@@G87-w3i Lilith isn't in the bible but in the book of Enoch. Two different things

[@buedhabass]

@@G87-w3i name one fact the opposing side gave with cited evidence to back it up?

[@jaealexandria5357]

Appreciate the wealth of knowledge and perspective on both sides. Thank you!

[@Wema3434]

The Christian brothers never responded to the question about evidence for Jesus’ existence. Ironically, when Ryan asked Jerome for proof of Jesus’ existence, Jerome instead continued talking about the importance of following Jesus' teachings to achieve liberation. He concluded his monologue by claiming that he was providing references so Christians could counter critics who accuse them of not answering questions. Yet, despite all this, Jerome never actually addressed the question. In my opinion, this was a pivotal moment that revealed the true nature of the discussion. Since the creators of the show are Christians, the Christian panelists were not held accountable for their responses and were often cheered on after their comments-demonstrating too much of a bias that is inappropriate for any TV or internet host. Additionally, Damon dismissed John Henrik Clarke’s relevance as an historian but conveniently avoided commenting on Cheikh Anta Diop when Jarrod referenced his work. Would Damon have claimed that Cheikh Anta Diop’s groundbreaking research on African culture and history was a fallacy? Damon also argued that Christianity existed in Africa 200 to 300 years before the transatlantic slave trade. However, ancestral worship had been practiced in Africa for thousands of years before the Common Era. Honestly, I would have love to see Dr. Umar Ifatunde in this debate. I encourage everyone who listened to this podcast to read the following books, which are well-referenced and contain numerous footnotes and sources, meeting the standards Damon and Jerome seem to require: * The African Origin of Civilization by Cheikh Anta Diop * The Destruction of Black Civilization by Chancellor Williams * Stolen Legacy by George G.M. James

[@jacolbynorris510]

Brother i agree!!! Dr.. Umar along side Ray Hagins would go crazy

[@TheUncheckedComments]

I appreciate the book list. Going to look into them for sure.

[@OldFunkyBastard]

Wooooo..... brother you killed it! Man bow thats #BlkOnBlkPride right there! Man your analysis flawless... im saying that as a social Scientist of 40+yrs

[@misterkgb1]

💯 I would also recommend The Historical Origins Of Christianity by the late Dr. Walter Williams. Religion is for the weak minded and will have you(believers) denying facts because of a feeling(faith).

[@Navifulfilled]

We need more conversations like this! So proud of my Pastor (Pastor Jerome) and his knowledge. This was a phenomenal conversation.

[@theway9156]

Definitely. He broke so much down so clealy.

[@tashakidd5204]

Our ancestors doesn’t have more power than who created us

[@ImTiredOfThisChurch]

Louder please

[@georgettacarvin7593]

Yes!

[@TrevWILL79]

Say THAT!!!

[@tinabrown9958]

Exactly 💯

[@ajtruth9585]

@@tashakidd5204 exactly. We shouldn’t be communicating with the dead or relying on them for anything!

[@vanessawilson3298]

Damon and Jerome were awesome . I learned so much . I received so much truth , Christianity and cultural history. Also this video clarified my thoughts. White men took the Bible and used it to dominate black and brown people . They misused the Bible. But that’s not religion that’s power. Christianity is our relationship with God through His Son Jesus Christ . Those are two different things . This was sooooo good . Thanks for this

[@Sayless_Beloved]

Moderators have to do better at being impartial at all times although they may share similar views and sentiments with some of their guests. At the beginning, Melek and Jarrod sat there and listened without interruptions for quite some time, and every time it was their time to speak, they were almost immediately interrupted. I mean did Jarrod speak at all?! 🤦🏾‍♂️ 😂 Sincerely, a fellow Believer.

[@kiykiyaaa]

I totally agree!!!

[@toysrus701]

They gave the Christians longer time to speak lol

[@geraldking9385]

Right thank you 😂 bias and recency bias is a mother to those who refuse to allow another perspective.

[@porshp8941]

im a christian and I somewhat agree. they shouldve had a timer. bc i was thinking the panafricanist had more time initially. bc melek did a lot of talking. but then it seemed off balance after that. def need a timer to say they have an allotted time just like a real actual debate.

[@marilynboyd6641]

Colonialism, indoctrination, assimilation, and hating who we are, but loving who we can't be (Dr. Umar). Brother Melek, keep teaching us, I hold you in high esteem. Remember that you and I were them at one point, but when we refused to be lulled and rocked back to sleep, we got up and did the work. Patience is a virtue.

[@YetuYo-vs2og]

@@marilynboyd6641 exactly. Most people in here are clearly Christians and have probably never tried to question their faith and its history and how it spread through the world. Also they never tried to do a research about other religions. All they have is religious bias and I understand since I was one of them.

[@lovefelix1566]

Jerome Gay Jr., closing argument was 🔥🔥🔥🔥👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾🙏🏾❤️. Beautifully done sir!!!

[@daisyachiro6779]

Christianity means a follower of Christ it does not mention race, gender, etc. why are we complicating this?

[@nunya54]

Because it's a man-made religion and clearly not Jesus' religion when anyone studies it.

[@kevinwilliams8033]

@@daisyachiro6779 wouldn’t that be the definition of a Disciple?

[@CacaoFlower]

So simple even a child can understand as the lord says

[@tyestable]

Christianity is nowhere in the Bible. Yahusha (Jesus) NEVER told us we were Christian or to follow religion but to be followers of the WAY. Christ only! Not traditions of man which we see all in Christianity.

[@edifiedprayzr]

​@tyestable Christianity is believers that follow THE WAY of Christ as in Jesus CHRIST. Transliteration of Yeshua from Hebrew to Greek as "Iesous" pronounced in English as Jesus. To Jesus says of Himself...I AM the WAY the Truth and the Light. No man comes to the FATHER accept through ME.

[@TytusJones]

Damon and Jerome really shined in this debate. Praying that Melek and Jarrod consider the arguments made in defense of Christianity and come to Christ. ❤️🙏🏾❤️

[@WarriorWomann]

Right on sis ❤

[@gamerelated510]

Damon & Jerome clearly lost that debate

[@TytusJones]

@@gamerelated510they had the receipts, melek and Jarrod had nothing but mythicism and pseudo history. 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@majose7787]

​@@gamerelated510then we weren't watching the same debate 😂😂 Jarrod and Melek got BATTERED!

[@majose7787]

​@@gamerelated510 we must have been watching different debates if you think the Christians lost 😂😂😂

[@FredHolmes-d8q]

i like that Brother Jerome, "it's not that Christianity not working we are not working it."

[@FreshCreationsBm]

#Troofbetoll #NuffSad

[@lifeisgood5698]

If Jesus Peace Be Upon Him said, "ye are Christians and your religion is Christianity," without a doubt, the world would be Christian. But he never said. You follow Paul, not Jesus Peace Be Upon Him...

[@avenger4027]

@@lifeisgood5698 It's like saying "you follow Moses, not God".

[@denzeleiseb6364]

Black brothers holding professional discussions despite their disagreements-this is progress. As a Black community, we are onto something great. Thank you, gentlemen.

[@curtisbracy6406]

As a scholar myself , I can honestly say I’m proud of Jerome and Damon!

[@WarriorWomann]

Wow Jerome and Damon, so proud! Well done fellas. You were clear, succinct and brought it out !! 💪🏼

[@ds98368]

Jerome and Damon were the definition of STANDING on business.

[@kingdomofzionministries]

❤❤❤

[@kelcey7579]

It's a book, its not the true creator, the true Creator language is written in nature, that's the real book, the sun is your savior, son is symbolic of the sun, study the nature of everthing in creation then you will understand the unspoken language is the spoken language one observed, not worship a book written by man, that's y theirs many contractadictions in there, study nature and be the voice that's hit, and preserve the earth for future generations, ain't nobody die for your sins, that's the spell and trickbag, god say seek knowledge, not belief, do that make sense, knowledge root word is knowing, study belief, you see the lie is there for a reason, it means your not for sure, it's a possibility of doubt, break it down, best way to trap a spirit is lay the truth out and blend it with the lie, the matrix is confusing the colonizer that, it's like laying cheese on a mouse trap

[@ds98368]

@@kelcey7579you didn’t watch the full video huh?

[@rayray5561]

They never answered any questions

[@marcustaylor4813]

Jerome and Damen did a great job of presenting the Christian narrative and they had valid historical facts! No offense to the other young men but poking holes in Christianity with no real solutions to the supposed problems Christianity has caused to me is just a one-sided argument. What are real solutions to your argument? This was a great debate I'm glad I was able to listen.

[@nathanjohnson90]

The Christian brothers have truly inspired me, this is a phenomenal representation of the church

[@Sandra-ly1ss]

Yeeeeeessss, thanks for this show!! Damon and Jerome went in, love the solid information given without emotionalism while standing 10 toes down.🎉❤🎉

[@providetriggersforevolutio3748]

Without emotionalism?

[@user-dh3qc3pq3g]

Pastor Damon’s response around the 153:00 mark was SPIT ON! It led to the notion of the problem not being Christianity, but “Christians” not submitting to the lordship of Christ and actually following God.

[@ajtruth9585]

I used to listen to the hoteps until I realized none of them can show you the fruits. They’ll have you living in the past and living through what our ancestors did. Christianity shows you that there’s an intentional almighty God! He gives us a future!

[@jamelgregg946]

Here is a hotep responding. Black people are at the bottom of every statistical category conceivable. So since you Christians believe that you can show us hoteps something. When is the showing how Christianity is the answer for our people part going to happen because we are catching hell.

[@CandyCoated96]

Amen, so well said!

[@skunkpackstudio2406]

So no one wants to talk about the missionary crusade inquisition? Like we going to totally disregard that actually happened in human history huh?

[@cebrinachandler1708]

🎯

[@ajtruth9585]

@@skunkpackstudio2406 I hear you, but what does that have to do with Jesus Christ? Man has always been sinful

[@cptheartist]

This debate was over from the jump. The Christians won

[@kingdomofzionministries]

❤

[@mresoteric]

They need to get some true scholars in afrocentric cosmology. There are some really good ones out there.

[@toysrus701]

How? When the Christians doesn't know that the Bible has been remixed the most of all books on the planet??

[@Eat_like_Irving]

@toysrus701 The Original Translation is the KJV from the Hebrew, Aramaic, and the Greek. Don't worry about those others.

[@danamurphy5241]

@@mresoteric trust me they'll loose as well

[@YahMalek777]

I'm so proud of the Christian leaders coming on this platform. I can't wait to see how they handle heavy hitters because the debating opponents who are not even the heavy hitters of their school of thoughts!

[@kentamporter7174]

It seems like Melek is presenting Animism as a worldview. He mentioned ancestral worship. He still doesn't present an argument for his worldview. But, Pastor Damon presents a strong case for why we should have confidence in the Christian worldview.

[@jchrystv]

What Melek doesn’t understand is that when you accept Christ you are in fact liberated. 1 Corinthians 2:14

[@lovefelix1566]

Galatians 5:1 my favorite verse ❤

[@C.5OH]

There’s a difference between Jesus and Christ

[@Crownedingloryhair_]

@@C.5OHyup, and Jesus is the Christ.

[@SaRaSin712]

@@jchrystv You know how ridiculous that sounds after the woman came on there and told you what her people had to go through because of Christianity just to get a education? Yall are really brainwashed.

[@freddierhymes3005]

INDEED!!

[@towardtheosis]

This debate perfectly highlights the problem at the root of the conscious community. It has as its central narrative a number of assumptions that, from an emotional standpoint, are quite moving, but they all fall apart under scrutiny. Jarrod and Melek are clearly passionate in their beliefs, but they weren’t able to provide a single shred of evidence to support them.

[@tisha1322]

EXACTLY!!!

[@jayfields948]

Facts!

[@Lastonesleftofficial]

@@towardtheosis comes down to victimization!

[@jamelgregg946]

I think Jarrod and Melek wrongly assumed that some of you Christians actually studied history.

[@nope...........]

​@@jamelgregg946- Has studying history liberated black people? If so, when and where?

[@angelajohnsonmusic3731]

This was a great debate! Please do a part 2. There is so much more to unpack! We learned something today! Mr. Gay and Mr. Richardson. Y'all better teach! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾🔥🔥🔥

[@fullimpactministries]

This debate is a great example of debating facts vs options

[@tabithadhill]

This debate exposes a key flaw. At its core, the conscious community relies on a set of emotionally powerful assumptions that, upon closer inspection, don’t hold up. While Jarrod and Melek are clearly sincere in their convictions, they didn’t provide ANY tangible proof to support their arguments. SMH

[@theway9156]

Great debate. Christianity is indeed NOT the white mans religion. But is the religion of those who follow the truth, the way and the life aka Jesus Christ!!

[@jjj0026]

Yet every bible commentary except 1 is by white people. So of course people going to think it’s a WM religion.

[@tajgibson8776]

Christianity is a white mans religion based on the books I have read.

[@nunya54]

No, it is not the religion Jesus practiced.

[@theway9156]

@@nunya54 Christian means follower of Christ. Christ is the one we follow. Why would he call himself christian, he didnt follow himself lol. We follow Him. Christ said, "take up your cross and FOLLOW ME" (Matthew 16:24). And Jesus followers & disciples said we should be proud to wear the name christian and not be ashamed of it. Peter says this about being christian... 1 peter 4:16 "however if you suffer as a Christian, do not be ashamed but praise God that you bear that name" ✌🏾

[@CacaoFlower]

@@nunya54do u even know what it means to be Christian? obviously not talkin about what religion Jesus practiced, the gospel is Jesus died for the sins of the world and all u have to do is have faith and believe ur sins have been paid for by the blood of Jesus. We are human we most likely will sin again but just repent/ask for forgiveness and do the lord work by spreading the gospel and helping the less fortunate

[@cynthiahoyi3925]

Omdzz , This gotta be the best panel yet!! As an aspiring christian apologist myself, I was very much aware of these two wonderful men- Jerome and Damon. I’ve watched many of Damon’s stuff on youtube and I have bought Jerome’s book “The White washing of Christianity”. Thank you so much for bringing them on. NOW LET ME WATCH ❤

[@Context1981]

Is that Billy Carson in disguise 😂

[@TayKnows77611]

😂😂

[@andeejay3005]

You play all day 😂😂😂

[@dizwhoibe]

Sir Ignant and Sir Mo Ignant😂😂😂 tell me the days of the week 😂😂😂

[@dizwhoibe]

Billy and his brother trying to make it back up the mountain 😂😂😂

[@pastorcharlesstewart6356]

When Melek said “you rehearsed a way to respond, to defend Christianity, but you’re not addressing like like Jarrod said “let’s be honest 😅and not academic”! Is the moment I fell out my chair 🪑 😮😅😂

[@marilynboyd6641]

We all have to study to be approved.

[@AkachukwuO]

Either way, Pan-Africanism is the only actionable system that will serve tropical (black/African) people in repairing our culture and civilizations.

[@anakingeek9538]

I'm from Central Africa and this debate is so actual and so acurate!!! I love how brothers Jerome and Damon brought evidences and facts, while the other brothers just came out with claims rooted on rubbish. I would like to know where I can have Jerome Gay's book

[@ConcealedLight-d4w]

Jerome's book should be on Amazon.

[@jamelgregg946]

As an African from Central African, I have two questions for you. Does your country control its own resources? Does your country use foreign currency? If you say yes to either one then you are under Western Christian colonialism.

[@anakingeek9538]

@jamelgregg946 The answer at your question if it's one, would still not mean what your trying to say. Sorry for your ignorance my brother. That's way too easy. Maybe you people never listen when they tell and explain you that there is no "colonialism christianity". Plus, Christ is not christianism. Christ never send those people to conquer us back in the days. I'm sure God used their corrupted minds to reach us but He never sent them. You african never blaim your elders and ancestors who sold our brothers (as slaves) and our lands. No. You want to blame Christ while those false God in whom you used to put your faith and trust in could not protect you or even prevent you from being enslaved or colonised. I pray that you finally understand the truth and the reality of who Jesus really is. You really need to stop to look for guilties elsewhere

[@jamescarter5041]

What is the correlation between being from Central Africa and the accuracy of this debate?

[@anakingeek9538]

@jamescarter5041 Maybe you didn't read the topic well my brother. Then read it again. In case you didn't notice, Central Africa is actually in Africa. And yes we african are deeply concerned with this debate. Does your question not even sound stupid, since you're the only one to ask it ? 😂

[@WintersLighthouse]

Mann…I have to say @HardlyInitiated YESS!!! I am not even half way through and I am so proud to be a Christian. This was a great debate! I learned Marcus Garvey was a Christian! This is different because many Pan Americans do not know or choose not to acknowledge in their history. God’s word- the gospel/the good news cannot and won’t ever be surpassed!!!! Amen! I pray seeds were either planted or watered. Amen!

[@jamelgregg946]

If you didn't know that Marcus Garvey was a Christian then I have to question how well you know your history. As a pan African it is probable I know more of the origins of the Bible than you as I study history.

[@SUMofALLfears33]

Who cares ​@@jamelgregg946

[@WintersLighthouse]

@@jamelgregg946 I am not ashamed to say there is a lot I don’t know. As I grow as a Christian, I depend on the Holy Spirit to help me gain knowledge; discerning truth from falsehoods. Remember the original sin was desiring knowledge outside of God to become like gods. John 14:26 KJV - 26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

[@WasItSomethingUSaid]

@@WintersLighthouseAmen Amen ❤

[@mauricemuhammad]

​@@WintersLighthouseDon't forget he was taught his way by Bro Duce Muhammad a Muslim... They work hand and hand...

[@VisionOnDuty]

Damon and Jerome, thank you!

[@bisolo8]

Melek Dexter did an excellent job!! Great debate.

[@BudaMac]

Great critiques which are valid but no real solutions.

[@bisolo8]

@@BudaMac He did give a real solution. “Knowledge of self.”

[@gloriagrace2555]

​@@bisolo8that is not a good solution

[@geraldking9385]

​@@bisolo8u see how that goofball tried to dismiss him?

[@WendyWendy05]

Cognitive dissonance throughout the comment section. Melek tried. Some will come back to this convo in a few years with a different perspective

[@jrenee34678]

This was sooo good I appreciate Bro. Damon and Bro Jerome. You all spoke a word.

[@kingdomprinciplesmarriage101]

I could NEVER get debated up out my faith in Christ because my faith in Christ is NOT up for debate with ANYBODY!!!

[@nunya54]

It should be if it's based on the Bible.

[@fruitsarelife7073]

It should be, you should be able to defend your belief and even spread it.

[@holpcs2]

Okay, beware, brother. When you spouse pride like this, you open yourself up to Satan to get a foothold and humble you quickly.

[@Sicoy28]

@@kingdomprinciplesmarriage101 great for you sir . Geezus saves All

[@bornagainchristian3742]

As a Cameroonian I can confirm what my sister Angela said. If the Africans don't joke with it why would you?

[@garynnbonds-jz1sq]

Thank you!!! They be looking at us like yall crazy😂😂😂

[@rasone9172]

Yes ; Afrikan Traditional Spirituality is powerful & sacred. Of course it’s not to be “joked with”…

[@bornagainchristian3742]

@@garynnbonds-jz1sq people are picking the fun part but the scary hard bits of being African are left out of the communication. Why don't they watch a few Nollywood movies about these rituals?

[@d.miller6062]

Damon, we need that list of people! Great job!!!

[@PoeticTherapy95]

That list went crazy 😅. Need that on a track and a T shirt!

[@royalflush8173]

That Damon Richardson is One Smart Cookie

[@ericthomas9192]

I love this pod cast ! Seriously. The live responses from the chats it’s so many minds with different pov’s

[@nikamoff5835]

Christian 🖐🏽One thing that really stood out to me is (the reminder) of how Important it is for us to read the Bible. However I was impressed by the research on history that the men did. Some of it was a bit over my head but impressed. I’m proud that these men are researching & discussing hopefully for (proper) TRUTH & understanding . Gods truth 🙏🏽♥️.

[@TIGERHOOD007]

❤❤❤

[@iamservant8016]

I am in tears right now. All glory be to our Lord Jesus Christ.

[@immetv5337]

Jesus never said he was god

[@SoftWifeLife]

Its truly refreshing to see such intelligent Blk men. All of them have done their studies and its to be respected regardless what side of the argument you stand on.

[@sunshinegold9093]

1:22:25 into this podcast episode ,Melek is definitely hitting all the points. As a person who grew up Nation Islam and Christian there is a commonality in between both these spectrums. What I love about what this brother is rain to the conversation is the very thing that Christians need to address and at the same time he's also highlighting deeper roots that truly bring both sides together.

[@TheAmhyacinth]

I need Jerome Gay’s entire book list.

[@Fiskgyrl2]

Yes! me too

[@Bballer3407]

Somebody come with this list . I actually purchased the white washing of Christianity from brother Jerome . It was a pleasure to hear him speak

[@GQ-jv9uw]

And Damon 😂

[@AndrewMoore-x1c]

Same here

[@glorifiedosikang7866]

All the ancestors you have reaching out to, how many has come to librate you? 😂😂😂

[@ImTiredOfThisChurch]

😂😂😂don’t start… please don’t I’m begging you

[@jamelgregg946]

Well, let me ask you Christian? What is your definition of liberation? Cause where I'm sitting black folks doing pretty bad.

[@cecitheot]

I’m waiting too 😂

[@jizzygamerboy]

So the Jesus we are praying to in Africa has he liberated

[@ImTiredOfThisChurch]

@jizzygamerboy He Did way better young lady. He Libarated the whole world by his death and resurrection his followers are counted by billions after his ascension. What about your gods??? Akhenaton, or the god of the songele people what have they been up to?

[@Romans99]

The vast majority of black Christians are doing fantastic! …marriage…kids in wedlock…educated…a part of building communities and society.

[@Happey67]

Say it again. The truth and accepting God's principles.

[@jamelgregg946]

What institutions do you own? Name them: Hospitals, financial institutions, building infrastructures, universities and don't say HBCU's because they are not privately owned. Is there a proliferation of small businesses amongst you Christians because that is what is necessary for a real community.

[@Romans99]

@ The accusation was Christianity does not liberate black people…throughout the video I’m still waiting to hear what liberate means from “the African perspective” and I can say as a history teacher in the inner city communities people make choices that hinder and destroy them. They make say “I’m a Christian” but their lifestyle does not match the Christian lifestyle. So black people are not liberated unless they own banks and hospitals etc…what does liberation look like? My sons grandfather in law owns his hospital in Chicago, and I personally have a friend has own oil company in Nigeria and there are lots of other examples I could use. I gather you are in the USA…where have you travelled to in Africa?

[@toysrus701]

Only 1 out of 4 black women will get married 70 to 80% of black kids are born to single mothers. 7 out of 10 divorces are filed by black women Black women on the average make 30k We are at the bottom when it comes to getting bank loans to start of business. Yea. Black folks are doing great lol

[@Sicoy28]

@@Romans99 blacks are the least least married with the most kids . They don’t follow the bi-ble

[@MizzleboyOnline]

Great debate on both sides. These brothers went at it with class. Very useful segment.

[@nathanielmouzone1394]

I am both Christian and Pan Africanist and absolutely loved this; I felt very enriched by my two Christian brothers. In all actuality unapologetic Christianity and unapologetic black nationalism are very much compatible, and I am not surprised to here the very deep African roots that are all over the Bible. From Yeshua's ancestry, to the African roots of the writer of the gospel of Mark. Really like the way Pastor Damon mentioned the radical black revolutionaries who were unapologetically Christian, Maleek lost me when he said they were not liberators and really showed himself up. Also, Pastor Jerome referencing pre-colonial West African Christian communities was very enriching, a lot of the time I am the only Christian in the room when I am reasoning with my Pan African brothers and this has definitely given me language, perspective and information that will help me defend my position but of course in the spirit of love, community and black liberation. One love.

[@zinawoolridge8597]

Melek is making the same argument as the people in Jesus' time. Looking for Jesus to make political impact when He clearly stated that His Kingdom is not of this world. He came to bring the Kingdom of God to earth, not to establish a new world system. John 18:35-37

[@healsis]

This is the comment I was hoping would be said!

[@Speakeroftruth58]

Proud of Damon and Jerome! They represented Christ well!!!

[@ThePinkPrayerClosetPodcast]

If Meleks argument is that we are still not liberated, then he also needs to ask how has his world view failed to contribute to our liberation. Him using that liberation argument against the effectiveness of Christianity while arguing that we are still not liberated, and while suggesting that his world view is better than Christianity is at best.... duplicitous.

[@crespeakslife]

Well said!

[@jamelgregg946]

Critical thinking is required. He was arguing that the Abrahamic faiths were not organic to Africa. We didn't create these religions because they are not ours. Christianity was the invention of the Greeks to control the population within their empire from Alexandria, Egypt. After the Greeks lost power, The Romans took over using Christianity to colonize people in their empire. Then the Catholic Church used it to enslave Africans. Black folks are at the bottom of every category imaginable according to statistics. How has Christianity benefitted black folks in the long haul because it for damn sure benefitted white folks.

[@enterblackvoid]

But Christianity has had a 2000 year head start, and it has not unified our people or caused racism or suffering to end. Pan africanism is fairly new in the context of world history. It's not fair to compare the two.

[@IAMJUDAH1]

@@enterblackvoid lol where in the holy bible did GOD ever called his people christians?? that was a joke n others mocked us n thy called us christians after christ died....

[@TrevonChenier]

Idiots. Black people are in last place in America. We all have the same religion. Liberation has nothing to do with religion, but everything to do with education, science, warfare.

[@fnuros429]

Great debate! I am 100% with Pastor Jerome and Damon.

[@ThePoshMel]

Research who Makeda was and what role she (as a black woman) played in bringing the worshipping of the God of Israel to Africa before it was colonized. She was pivotal in forming the spiritual framework that set the tone for Christianity, way before the prophesy of Jesus Christ being born was fulfilled. The foundation for Christianity and Christianity itself has been in Africa way before the white man got there. Let’s focus on ACTUAL history.

[@crespeakslife]

Oooooh! Let me research. That's good stuff!

[@rydengood]

still not African & All most all African Americans is west African nobody writing a bible knew You or nothing about You in West Africa You ain't on one page in the bible like all black people I know grand mother had a white man hanging on the wall as jesus not a made up black jesus

[@stablsed309]

@@ThePoshMel I'll take your word for it - since you're insinuating that Africans were connected to the true God pre colonization, why didn't God stand up on our behalf against the colonisers? Did he fall asleep?

[@livelaughlovin_lifeafter50]

@@stablsed309 We have a tendency to generalize when talking about Africa as if certain things apply to every single person on the continent or even a particular region of Africa. You can have a group of Africans who were christians in a particular region but maybe there were a certain number who didn't convert to christianity who lived in that region as well. Just because christianity was in a certain region doesn't mean that every single person in that region accepted it and embraced it. It's just like in some families, the mother goes to church and takes her children but the father stays home and is not a christian. And there have been mothers in certain households who have even allowed their children at a certain age to decide whether they wanted to go to church or not so they may have stayed home with the father and didn't become a Christian. Maybe some of the people that were taken into slavery weren't christians and didn't embrace christianity although they lived in that region.

[@stablsed309]

​@@livelaughlovin_lifeafter50Thanks for the response - are you suggesting Africans that were Christian pre colonization were spared from slavery by God, while those who weren't were given up to it? If this is the case, why has God allowed even so-called Christian African nations to fall into pillage and disarray post slavery? The question remains - why isn't the Christian God showing up for Africans in real time, in a material way?

[@daughteroftheking5875]

Omgsh you got Damon & Jerome on here!!!!! Can’t wait to watch 😆😆😆😆

[@WarriorWomann]

They smashed it 💪🏼 ❤

[@charmedlife6933]

Spectacular display of Christian conviction. Revealing synopsis of other belief systems and the substance there of. All knees will bow before the true King and He won’t care the color or creed of His children.

[@Dr.SoulBrother]

Very good and important discussion!

[@JalonSmith-rd7zv]

Haiti is the clearest example of Black people who didn't use Christianity to successfully liberate themselves from slavery. ...unlike Nat Turner, Douglass, Denmark Vessey et al., mentioned by Damon.

[@misterkgb1]

💯 Ogun was a driving force behind the revolution.

[@jayfields948]

Damon and Jerome showed they were well prepared and studied from the jump! I love the work they did on Eric masons books… Urban Apologetics

[@joellekabamba9289]

Great debate, however, strange listening to Melek without any strong basis. As an African of which I am from DRC. Important to not just claim to be African without sharing where in particular in Africa he is from and at least share what nation and its practices he is from. Africa is a continent of 55 nations, with multiple of cultures. He is shared nothing substantial, nor his world view. Thanks for Damon and Jerome for sharing not only their convictions but backed it with facts and historical contents. As a fallen world you cannot assume there has not been any transformation in hearts. Let’s pray for those who are lost in their philosophies and not recognise they are in the dark.

[@toysrus701]

Dr. Ben and Anthony T Browder

[@rasone9172]

As Yoruba/Asante Afrikan; I realize that Melek Dexter is a son of the soil also. Melek is descendants of enslaved Afrikans in American. You sound silly & ignorant trying to diminish his Afrikan Ancestry because, he didn’t specify where in Afrika he is from. You also are dishonest or not intellectually equipped if you say Dexter lack substance in his submission. It ironic & evident that in fact you are one with the “strong basis.”

[@rashuadjohnson7719]

@@joellekabamba9289 This is a debate not a sin. They're not lost in philosophies or their philosophies.

[@avenger4027]

@@rasone9172 "Enslaved Africans" - I long for the day when people would no longer believe in this stupid Western concept that presupposes that people can somehow have the same cultures and religions and political predilections based solely on the color of their skin. "Africans" are not a monolithic thing.

[@marilynboyd6641]

Not putting words in Brother Melek's mouth, but when he refers to being "African" could he refer to his genealogy? We look definitely look like the people who live in Africa. It's not like we can go to Harlem and see Puerto Ricans, and they say to us, "My brother, my sister!" We are at the bottom where white supremacy (with our help) has put themselves in our place.

[@ayannaelese]

Jerome and his beautiful wife have been TEN TOES DOWN for Jesus for decades. I met them in college as boyfriend and girlfriend and they were already in ministry! May God continue to use their ministry and embolden them to Defend the faith with FACTSand not feelings🙏🏾 great job!

[@TheUrbanPerspective]

Ayanna, wow, it’s great to hear from you. I’ll tell Crystal you were on the live. I hope all is well!

[@ayannaelese]

@ All is wonderful! Yes, please tell Crystal I said hello and I’m so happy to see that you are doing well! 🙏🏾

[@ilianbh]

What a fantastic show. I have learned so much. I don’t quite have the time right now to give my full appreciation, so all I can say right now is THANK YOU FOR A FANTASTIC SHOW !!!

[@CreatedbyJones]

Our education is steeped in western colonialism. That fact that we’re learning in English proves that point.

[@ThadisonSolutions]

This is a great conversation. Melek was hard to follow but I hope this truly educates the masses. Christianity is not a white mans religion

[@skunkpackstudio2406]

Of course it’s hard to follow when most of y’all have your mind made up on who y’all want to win lol

[@rasone9172]

Melek was clear & articulated. Your bias inhibited you from understanding him.

[@letholamokhesi1253]

Christianity is a White man's religion, it's just the truth

[@geraldking9385]

Exactly​@@skunkpackstudio2406

[@connectingwithkhyri8543]

@@rasone9172he was clear on not providing any facts.

[@kimseals3458]

Every time they ask Melek where he got this information from he just wants to believed! Where are your sources Sir?

[@IamBillionaireBen]

This conversation needs a number 2 with Dr. Umar Johnson as well! I would really want to see this conversation and add Marcus Rodgers to this along with Anton while keeping Jerome and Damon

[@beefaye18]

Team Dr Umar 💯….he will kill it 👏🏽✊🏽

[@JR01015]

Marcus Rogers or Anton Daniel would not be the right people to have in this particular conversation given it is not their area of expertise. Y’all just be following any influencer on anything instead of investigating their area of expertise.

[@majose7787]

​@@JR01015agreed. He simply doesn't have the knowledge or the sharpness to engage in this type of convo. I think Umar would really have met his match against Damon and Jerome

[@hopecrishom5836]

Oh Pastor Marcus would bring the smoke

[@hopecrishom5836]

@@JR01015Pastor Rogers would be a great candidate He’s more then an influencer

[@Alfaunoh]

Melek really hit the nail on the head when he said Rehearsed. 1:00:03 The debate over all felt rushed and disingenuous. Damon and Jerome where arguing what they had rehearsed, but not discussing the perspectives. Why didn’t you all let melek and Jarrod expound more on their points? They actually had extremely strong points that needed more time to explain rather than to argue.

[@deepcover8184]

They never responded to the question.... why aren't black ppl liberated after following Christianity for all this time?

[@SoldierLifeAJ]

That guy Malek had no real sustainable information just all over the place with no historical facts, just claims...

[@Alfaunoh]

They never even responded to the one about proof that Jesus even existed. The moderators allow them to skate by hard questions, then stop and lean in when they ask hard question of their own. They only make them answer questions that there are easy/hasty answers to. @hardlyinitiated Sloppy.

[@jonathanmonroe1833]

@@deepcover8184 Liberated from what exactly in the 21st century?

[@jonathanmonroe1833]

You're conflating preparation of a debate which focuses on research and sound argumentation, with rehearsing, which is going over a script for a play or performance. There is a difference. And what exactly are black people being liberated from in 2024 in the 21st Century? Because that seems more like an excuse. And how is appealing to African traditions the solution for black Americans, not only to unify but to thrive?

[@godivabaker6622]

This was so good! I’m an unwavering Christian and my feet are deeply planted in my faith, but it was good to hear this debate even though I don’t agree with the opposing view of Christianity. At the end of the day, you can’t force anyone to have faith in God, only he can change their heart if they’re willing to accept Jesus into their hearts. It’s not too late. At the end of the day, somethings can’t be explained. Supernatural and Miracles cannot be explained. Kudos to the apologist that are able to do this work on behalf of Christians

[@crespeakslife]

They mad because they came prepared for this debate 😂😂...This is their lifestyle not just for show!

[@stacystone406]

As a God fearing, Bible believing, woman and mother, I appreciate that this conversation is happening. The apologetics are STRONG With Damon and Jerome! The other two are killing me with their nonsense. I don’t have enough faith to believe what they’re spouting! Also, I would love to know if any of the 4 guests dislike or hate whites. My faith in Christ and His Word, cause me to love them no matter what.

[@Tavymckenzie]

I love when the show the panel, you can already tell who are the Christian Apologists and who are the Pan Africanists 😩😩

[@riapurple523]

That's literally what I said to myself before they even started talking lol

[@aliciarucker29]

😂

[@geraldking9385]

Finally a real comment

[@rossalynmoore5407]

Excellent and informative discussion. I am looking forward to more discussions like this. Thank you.

[@Cjmcghee91]

I love it! Fact based answers to fact based questions with sources and dates.

[@SnippetsandNuggets]

These Christian men !!!🔥🔥🔥 Outstanding 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@ralphnoel6642]

22:35 the Bible never even named the names of days of the week or month. We just use that for society not for our faith

[@toysrus701]

African ppl didn't use days either. The sky was a clock fir Africans. Sunday was a day of worshipping the sun and Monday was a day to worship the Moon Please wake up and understand

[@ElizabethSHowze]

We are sinners. We are inherently flawed. That’s why we need Jesus, a sinless savior. Melek thinking that, as flawed people, we can liberate ourselves when we ourselves need to be liberated from ourselves is wild. Also, prideful. This is exactly how the cycle of oppression continues.

[@tylndaberry2720]

This 😂

[@taebrown384]

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 tell them sis, beautifully said

[@marilynboyd6641]

My mother surely considered aborting me, but she didn't, and I say that her woman was the safest place for me. How can I be a sinner without the help of who oppresses me? Who is the most violent and taught everyone to be just like him? Hint: Night-riders, lynch-men, cannibals, etc. They taught us well, but on our worst day, we are of a higher calling. "And you know this, man!" Chris Tucker.

[@sharons3541]

Do anyone know what church pastor Jerome serve, I would really like to know to follow Him. Thku

[@Karen_theresa]

Vision Church RDU

[@treyway8146]

I was really looking forward to hearing a great debate from both ends, but Melek asked more questions than actually giving answers. I appreciate the sources that were given especially by Jerome.

[@tashakidd5204]

Yesssss, the issue is us not God🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾

[@lh3643]

This conversation needs a part 2 but with Professor James Small and Professor Kaba Kamene please!

[@jamelgregg946]

Do you think that the unstudied Christians could take Dr. Smalls their heads might explode.😂😂😂

[@danamurphy5241]

​@@jamelgregg946James small would get cooked just like those two non Christian dudes in this debate

[@a.dlamini]

Proud South African Zulu Christian girl here🤚🏾 I love and respect my culture however African spirituality is not what many Americans think it is. It doesn’t save and there is no freedom in it. You can honour being black and love your roots without having to disregard the truth that is Jesus Christ. Most of Africa is still Christian and we worship Christ within our culture we do not abandon it neither has Christ ever asked us to. Thank you Ps. Damon and Jerome God bless you.

[@alishaoneal2372]

Jerome you better preach!!!!!!🙌🙌🙌

[@ohmyshebeautiful]

At 1:55 Jerome made it plain and simple! Thank you very much

[@LearniingtoPrayLikeJesus]

This is the best debate I've ever seen on the subject fire. Facts you guys are representing the Lord well. I think one of the gentlemen has a book if you guys can please mention your book again I would love to order it

[@chiefservant7862]

@@LearniingtoPrayLikeJesus The White washing of Christianity, Jerome Gay, Jr

[@Tramaine108]

I didn’t know that I am currently in bondage - Man it’s 2024 and you still saying the “white” man is keeping you down while being a college professor… what😮

[@marilynboyd6641]

Listen to Master Dick Gregory and learn.

[@Tramaine108]

@ I don’t need a man to teach me anything that I can see and experience for myself. Your experience nor his experience necessitates a collective. What holding “black” people is maintaining the victimhood mentality and lack of accountability.

[@goldengirl7625]

Yall shoulda brought Preston Perry on here again. He did a great video on this very topic with another man of God years ago

[@mauricemuhammad]

This was a good conversation I wish questions were answered...

[@Faith4you77]

I'm a new listener to this show... I'm learning a lot and this is one Great platform!!!

[@tamnikoanderson5113]

Say that Pastorr Jerome!!!! When we submit to the word THEEEN!!!!We will be Free indeed¡!!!!!Truth will make you free! Try the true living God and receive true peace and understanding! Most won't experience this whether white or black because we still trying to prove superiority and continue to be distracted by the enemy! Let's not only read the word but apply it to our lives.

[@hopecrishom5836]

Amen