Anton Daniels vs Male Feminist DEBATE State of Masculinity & What Makes A Real Man

[@HardlyInitiated]

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[@chriscommons9045]

The only problemI’m having with this conversation is the numbers and data doesn’t support the therapist ! When we talk about accountability between men and women it is true that we both need however ! If the majority of women are having kids with a minority of men , then you have to change the women s mindset ! And that’s the pushback between men and women ! The majority of men are not making broken households ! It’s women today who are hypergamous at an all time high ! Y’all never introduce number into these convos, which would destroy a lot of talking points and narratives! If you make 99 percent of men perfect and one man is reckless , he can still impregnate a woman every hour of the day ! So if it’s women with the majority of children over men , how do we say it’s men ! Makes no sense !

[@irrefutablethetruth]

Not all men possess the qualities of leadership.

[@ThePhillyfashionista]

Thank you..... The best comment on here💯💯

[@hotepheru1555]

Because they don't know how but once they do they can and will be grea leaders. It's already in them they just have to sacrifice what's induring them from becoming a leader.

[@meganakinsanya4702]

@hotperu there are beta males and alpha males. One holds power and resources and the other looks up to him to provide for him. So there can’t be many leaders. Y’all need to get over it. Conquered males can’t say they are leaders if they are still being subjugated by another group of men

[@thestrangemanreturns]

absolutely so why don't you women lead those guys instead of saying he can't lead? if you can do it better

[@Hfgv281]

@hotepheru1555 You prove his point. Not all have leadership qualities and so males aren't automatically born leaders if they gotta learn it.

[@63112jg]

If my child came and told me they were gay I would still and always love them. But loving them does not mean you accept everything they do.

[@monstercameron]

simp

[@jmck9588]

The Bible is still a man-made construct coming out of Ancient Rome. Plus, would you still go to the wedding?

[@ladydi7195]

I agree. You can love and not accept their choices. Just like with God. He loves us; however, not necessarily approves of some of our behaviors.

[@Zaidemeit]

That's not love. You're virtual signaling!!! The only Love that matters is Unconditional Love.

[@chinnjm]

​@Zaidemeit who said the love wasn't unconditional? Sounds more like your love is conditional if we have to agree with each other's choices in life to extend it. Thank God Jesus didn't have to agree with the people around him to have grace and mercy for all. That's unconditional love.

[@alyssawesley3137]

For me and my house we serve the Lord

[@ConstitutionalConservative20]

AMEN...

[@Wolf.of.Gotham]

Amen

[@Coco_Love]

👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@888hereandnow]

Very foolish & dangerous to lead a family without being submitted to Our Creator & His word!

[@sherwoodwalker573]

As a Christian I agree. But I had a revelation last year. You will agree that people who don’t practice religion or Christianity can be successful married and lead their households. I have seen it. The reason is they apply the principles without a solid relationship with God. Remember it rains on the just as well as the unjust.

[@alvinbiggsjr8351]

Amen!

[@dialac1]

I disagree

[@sherwoodwalker573]

@@dialac1 Prove me wrong.

[@dialac1]

@@sherwoodwalker573 you can have a lead a strong family as a Muslim or Buddhist. You don’t have to be a Christian to lead a family

[@jadzia_rene]

I agree with Professor Odi when he said the first step in getting on the right path is PERSONAL ACCOUNTABILITY. I’d also add submitting and connecting to The Almighty

[@DionDetroitLion]

Actually your comment is closer to Agreeing with Anton than the professor. The professor doesn't understand the definition of "inherent". That's where the professor goes off. You received your "inherent" traits from your parents and the most high. It's what you do with that "Inheritance". Some tate it to be successful. Some squander it.

[@Anttweezy]

Facts sista and All Praises to the Most High

[@LovelyVibrations]

@@DionDetroitLionNo. Anton only wants women to be accountable remember? That means he wants women to step up and lead. Leaders are accountable sir.

[@47shadows76]

@@LovelyVibrations Anton literally that. I see we're just making things up at this point.

[@hightolerance2500]

@@Anttweezy Who's the Most High

[@KeyaCares]

Dr. Odi basically said that men need to be qualified as leaders before a woman can respect them as the leader of the household. I’m not sure why anyone would refute that. I pray the men in the community groom younger men to have effective leadership and communication skills so that they can present themselves as capable trustworthy leaders to the women they desire to marry.

[@camillecantey]

because they appeared to be on attack

[@KeyaCares]

@@camillecanteyahhhh I see! The ego took a further explanation as disagreement vs further expansion on the topic. Thank you 😊

[@unpopulartruth1164]

The issue with that is, it only happens with blk women vs blk men. Thats not true for any other demographic. Respect is something you have for another person. Most blk women believe they are above the blk man.

[@lastnamefirst9423]

Because it's a lot easier amd more salacious to just say women are the problem and they should just take a man as he is and work with him than to tell your audience (which represents a stream of income) that men need to do their work.

[@906lane]

​@@unpopulartruth1164All facts 💯

[@UpdatedView]

As a brother in the top 5% of earners and married for 15 years, Anton is like most of us. Even the men that show up a certain way on social media that you may admire are different at home(trust me). I have to admit that there is some ego involved and your confidence has to radiate. I’m negotiating deals upwards of $80M and I can’t waver in my confidence. All of the responsibility lies with me and I’ve been in leadership roles for the past 20 years. My wife fully trusts my decision making and fortunately I don’t miss. To his point, she doesn’t want to deal with the pressure. She would rather plan vacations and deal with interior design decisions. This is just an opinion based on an observation. 🙏🏽

[@sportsonhigh]

Hey what do you do if you don't mind me asking?

[@soundsaboutright---]

Bruh, she doesn't want to do all the household and child rearing tasks ON TOP of everything else

[@brandond1947]

That's only a small percentage. Problem is a majority of blk families aren't touching that and don't have the flexibility to make that choice

[@trent3788]

Thanks for your corporate resume! What does all that have to do with leadership in the home?

[@TheLOVEISWHATWENEED]

Labels are dismissed because some people don’t want to be held accountable and responsible for growth and self improvement

[@BeWiseLegette]

That is a bar!!!!!

[@RobinMoffitt-u3m]

Exactly

[@dandan4132]

Factssssss

[@dumkaisachakal6341]

please call it like it is - its not some people - its females and feminine men.

[@ALJ_1981]

I love to see this type of conversations amongst black men and they can agree to disagree without being disrespectful towards each other. Great job men. Imma share this with my younger brother and son.

[@myronscott8611]

These conversations are needed, and if you turn off, things won't get better

[@RayanaMalika]

As someone who completed a counseling program, you’re essentially taught to cater to your client, their feelings, and to be as neutral as possible to avoid imposing your own morals and values. Therapy isn’t rooted in God’s standard for living.. not saying that it can’t be beneficial, but therapy can’t do what God’s word does- edify, renew, and uplift the spirit to be more like Jesus. AD and crump are operating from God’s word and Odi is operating from the neutral position of a therapist that prioritizes clients’ feelings.

[@VI_VISIONS]

You are absolutely correct.. It’s 2 different worlds

[@lawrencegraham6284]

100% As a behavioral Scientist as well i did pick that up and was disconnected with him on that basis... He definitely has a client focused approach. He cant speaks a particular way, because he may marginalize the demography of clients he may get to work with in the future.

[@TM-fm3hh]

When Anton asked, "you're a therapist bro??" 🤣🤣🤣

[@eb4478]

Real Rap !!

[@SunnyLady8925]

Yeah, proving HE NEEDS IT 🤡

[@coreythomas3633]

​@@eb4478he a clown because he needs it...

[@problemchild2k13]

And this is the problem. This kind of clown is who we send our wives and children to.

[@TheShaniVerse]

Exactly ​@@SunnyLady8925

[@nicholasamritt]

To ignore the fact that your environment and experiences you had growing up DOESNT impact how you turn out it's outrageous.

[@jermo1213]

Stop making excuses black man.

[@UncleKai263]

Don't be a forever victim... Rise above that... It's a choice...If it wasn't, nobody would ever make it out....

[@coreythomas3633]

Most black men are dead beats can't get a job and stay in jail. Most black men read at a 4th grade reading level... Like why ya hate women so much it weird.

[@Hfgv281]

Those on the panel that said that are contradicting themselves because they'll also say kids end up a certain way from what they see in the home and in media. Visual influence IS effective. Not for everyone but for most. If it wasn't, media wouldn't be the powerful and multi billion dollar industry that it is. Marketing & advertising wouldn't be the powerful industries that are. And these conversations would be audio only; not visual. ETA: Environments aren't just physical spaces or at home.

[@dannymizz]

you’re right. i think it’s convenient to ignore psychology and the process of a child’s development and replace the science with faith or some other belief. God and science are not seperate. the creator created-all of it-we can’t ignore the parts we don’t like or understand.

[@pepper8437]

When Anton said that all his brothers, Uncles, his Father all had traditional homes, it says a lot. Thats a generational blessing. Hes a bit hard in his delivery but his thought process is sound and he stands on biblical principles.

[@tiffanydish]

I DO NOT BELIEVE HIM

[@YvesTissot5]

@@tiffanydishaww shit guys… Tiffany doesn’t believe him

[@brianm6924]

Yep

[@TheSonyExperience]

@@YvesTissot5nooooo Tiffany!!!!

[@VV-gi6cu]

Biblical principles do not teach dictatorship. Ephesians 5:21-33.

[@crystalj3617]

Both women and men have work to do! Period! Valid points were made, but let’s be objective in conversation regarding the solutions!

[@mildredbenford249]

What an amazing God we serve

[@DarrylLangford]

Outstanding podcast tonight Fellas. Thanks!

[@ladyj2allify]

Since God ordained sex FOR marriage, Paul never got married ,he didn't have any sexual relationships. You can be single and achieve your best version, but you better be abstaining from sex, because sex is for marriage and procreation as to the Glory of God. Therefore in order to reach your highest and best self you would have to live the way God planned it. To procreate, subdue,take dominion and replenish the earth and you can ONLY do that with a wife. ❤❤

[@Lifeontheshelf]

🎉❤🎉❤🎉❤🎉❤🎉 That’s right

[@TM-fm3hh]

It actually doesn't say if he was or wasn't married. Most scholars think his wife may have died, since there are some scriptures that lean toward him being married at one point early in his life.

[@lastnamefirst9423]

The examples of men they mentioned also devoted their life to learning and applying teachings of the Bible. That is a major component. MOST men do not abstain from women, and devote themselves wholeheartedly to God and applying what he teaches. If they did they would reach a level of manhood they didn't think imaginable. However marriage would bring out a different level of actualization as two are better than one and a woman can often bring more nuance to life in helping them to apply things in a more holistic way.

[@benfrazier8385]

💯 it’s actually simple. Our flesh is what makes it hard, figuratively and literally 😂😂😂😂😂

[@djidjine5082]

@@TM-fm3hhThose scholars are wrong because Paul literally said himself he wish everyone was like him then he proceeded to say to want to be married is a gift from God. It’s all speculation whether he was married before or not. The Bible doesn’t say

[@debsantana1182]

Odi never said men should not be the leader, he stated men need to learn how to lead ..he said people will follow you when youre ready to lead. @antwon, his wife doesnt ask questions because it doesnt appear she's been given the permission with all the Dictatorship. I support Odi , women dont want to be told to shut up and take it or shut up and stay in our role.

[@chrismog286]

A woman should understand her role period. Western women have been largely raised wrong!

[@ruthwhatley6529]

OLDIE NEEDS MORE MALE MENTORS IN HIS LIFE & #I THINK HIS UNDERSTANDING IS FROM WHAT HE LEARNED IN COLLEGE.

[@maryterrell9701]

I agree Anton thinks he rt about anything he said, nothing but his opinion and how he feels.Boy bye

[@chrismog286]

@@maryterrell9701 you must be a baby mama. 😁

[@maryterrell9701]

@@chrismog286 No sir, because I have a different view point or opinion.i got to be a baby mama.Floks need to learn to agree to disagree. Not everyone has the same view point or opinions.

[@Hyper12488]

If they wanted an interview with just Anton then they should’ve done that. Every time they ask a question they go to him first and he takes all the time chatting away. I barely heard the perspectives of the other dudes.

[@Coco_Love]

Facts...

[@shmeikahall4809]

He was so aggressive and rude, whereas, everyone else was trying to be respectful of everyone else (whether they agree or not). I do believe Tysean was trying to reel it back in the end.

[@chrismog286]

It's not about perspectives when you hear the truth!

[@Hyper12488]

@@chrismog286 no one is talking about truth or lie. There were 2 other speakers and they were barely heard.

[@chrismog286]

@@Hyper12488 focus

[@michaelam7832]

All these men are highly intelligent and they all brought great value to the conversation and I can appreciate being in spaces like this where you can hear the conversations and perspectives that some men have. With that being said my goodness this help me to see the disconnect between men and women. Mr. Anton is standing on business but at least he knows who he is and where he stands.

[@coreythomas3633]

Black men why ya can't build community and protect ya family like White men.. Why ya dont practice family structure like mexican men.. Why ya don't educate ya children like ,asain men.. Ya lack masculinity that the problem....

[@dialac1]

Preach

[@sweetumsDenise]

Exactly this! We need to see this more! More of men having conversations in front of other men. Especially "happily" married men communicating to single men. Our community is not a monolith and even more varied now than it was in the 40s 50s and 60s, we've come a long way - and not all in a good way. We need more men talking... and showing and proving with the fruit of their beliefs and actions ... their families are the fruit.

[@Siege930]

What an episode! Not sure if any solutions were brought forth with all of the finger pointing and gender blaming, but great conversation & perspectives. Also, big S/O to TySean for keeping it all the way 100.

[@gzoe4real4ever]

Thats one dishonest statement. When you have someone pointing out the woman sleeping with 10 to 30% of mans and have A CO-HOST ADMITTING HES SMASHING CHEEKS IN 4K YET BELIEVED TO WANT TO DELIVERING RESULTS TO THE EARS. That means 70% of man are not being active but 80 to 90% of all woman are. So who do you shift the blame to all the broken homes and broken mans to??🤔🤔 this is crazy.

[@63112jg]

I completely agree. I got married because I was ready for family and legacy. I chose my wife for marriage because I loved her and because I felt the would be a good mother and wife.

[@irmabryant6979]

I know a lot of men who have children out of wedlock and have no desire for marriage.

[@allendennison3428]

In hebrew custom sex consummates the marriage. So men who are out here making babies out of wedlock is sinful and they are not practicing godly masculine qualities. It is a man' true purpose to create a familiar, lead, provide and protect them and produce a godly society.

[@dumkaisachakal6341]

and its because of the females in this chat, they want a 50/50 but only when its time for them to contribute, when its time for the man to contribute its 100/0. That's exactly why they jealous of Anton's wife, and they hating on him, talking in the chat like - i don't know how she stands this man.... If i where here id.... Single bitter loser females.

[@aliciarucker29]

The point that Anton was trying to make was that those men are the ones having most of the children. As a woman why would you elect to be a man’s 2nd, 3rd, 4th baby momma. Essentially we can’t worry about or fix that small percentage of men having all these kids, it’s up to us women to say no to these men that are obviously bad

[@nik-at-nite]

I love Odi laughing towards the end bcuz Anton was literally proving his point about accountability and why, in a conversation about men, masculinity, and leadership, you CANNOT blame everything on a woman and say men have nothing to work on cuz they’re already doing the work. It’s a complete contradiction 😂

[@tebogomoalusi3591]

Im convinced Anthon really has no respect for woman. The whole show this man has continuously teared down a woman. He was asked if a man can be his best self without being married and he said yes, they then reversed the question and asked him if he feels the same about woman and he said SOME woman. He also said woman are at fault for becoming single moms, Sir these men are not sleeping with themselves hey. While I agree that woman need to do a better job in protecting themselves from being single moms, Sir please ask yourself why we need to protect ourselves in the first place.

[@truthbtold8697]

Truth is now considered tearing down...sticking to the traditions that have lasted for thousands of years is tearing down..

[@dicerevo]

There are more mothers than fathers. You guys are picking and procreating with the same men. If you have the monopoly on who is born then you have the monopoly of accountability

[@truthbtold8697]

Every man who is consistently honest, straightforward and pushes accountability has no respect for women 😂😂😂

[@LELE2113-c8q]

​​@@dicerevo that makes no sense by the information Anton presented most of the blk child population in the US are paternal half siblings. Men keep speaking about tradition and leadership all whilst not being traditional themselves or having the capacity to lead. A true leader would not project his deficiencies onto women.

[@richardsonpierre66]

You can either respect women or understand them, can't do both.

[@El_Aristocrat]

Odee is the type of man thats destroying our community. He comes across as intelligent but when you listen to what he says, he's hold the doctrines the enemy wants us to uphold, and he freely teaches it. Him being a therapist is dangerous 🤦🏾

[@Kristopherberry]

These silly gender role conversation and the lack of fixing the community needs is our issue. Don't be a fool

[@Karynlynne]

I agree 100% he is product of higher education indoctrination and I would venture if I had to guess he went to white colleges because his perspective while I agree that men are just as responsible and that’s where I drop off. And the fact as Anton said he’s a therapist is alarming!

[@eboniemm1]

As a BW, I 1000% agree. He act as if he don't understand terms, need clarification and make excuses. I'm very shocked that he is Ebo, because their culture is opposite of that he believes, he must have been born in Western civilization

[@eboniemm1]

He sounds intelligent because he uses word salad communication

[@kaos_krs1774]

Absolutely 💯 correct, given his education some would believe he's credible, but because he's gay, it guides his thought process. It's that modern-day educational BS that the universities are teaching our communities.

[@MondesThreads]

This conversation was a hot mess...How did it move from State of masculinity to Blaming women for the state?????

[@Derrixk]

Because it’s y’all fault

[@mjanime786]

Agreed ​@@Derrixk

[@ItsMe-xx9qm]

@@Derrixk how? You cannot stand strong for anyone or anything. Everything is someone else’s fault. Why is your divorce 200 % with white women?

[@soundsaboutright---]

Because that's how these convos always go lol

[@AJweathersby]

Because the last 40-50ish years of relationship conversations on mainstream media have mostly been women blaming men, traditional relationships, and “the patriarchy” for the state of relationships. And whenever men pushed back, women would rally to get that man fired, blacklisted, taken off the air, etc. Now, social media removed women’s ability to cancel men they don’t like and women broadly want to go back to the same traditional roles they spent the last few decades denouncing men for having them in. So yeah, men are gonna have a lot to say to women about all that.

[@jerlynnghee207]

Tone matters! The saying "you can get more with honey than vinegar " exists for a reason. As a woman or man, respect is key. If a person isn't being respected, they are not hearing anything you have to say. Therefore, Anton has a lot of good to say, but it is not being heard because of how it comes across.

[@JBCEmperor]

Kind of to each their own because while some dont hear him, a lot of us hear him loud and clearly

[@chrismog286]

Nonsense 😂

[@sweetumsDenise]

Agree... It's interesting because at one point he even said himself that he thinks Odi agrees with him but just thinks it should be worded more palatable. But you'd have a lot of people arguing that their perspectives are extremely different. I think they have some common core beliefs, the way they talk to people is just not one of them 😅 And everybody ain't for everybody. We should still be able to communicate, be respectful and work together for the sake of our communities.

[@ChadBromwell]

Anton is Jim Carey in the 👺

[@lovemanier.6172]

Omggg yess

[@LHC3544]

See and this is where I get on coach and Anton since we wanna speak the truth! If we’re speaking from the bible aspect the solution is “the culture” should stop engaging into promiscuity before marriage! Problem solved. We wouldn’t have these issues with the single family homes and the issues we are having today as a culture. This man speaks scripture when it benefits him but then speaks division. That’s not of God. This guy Anton talking about men speaking on life they’re not living up to yet he’s speaking on a reality that he’s never lived. He comes from a male dynamic that most don’t have as coach stated and has been married to his black wife for years and yet has nothing good to say about black women. Shouldn’t he be speaking on the that caliber of a women that he’s happily married to instead of what he’s not living in. Make it make sense.! I’m agreeing with ODI on this topic!

[@truthbtold8697]

Anton says that

[@Jovialjay86]

No sex before marriage would save us for sure!!

[@chrismog286]

You hear what you want. Anton is correct 💯

[@47shadows76]

Anton and most Christian leaders agree. Virginity until marriage is the standard. It's simps like Odi that would disagree.

[@coreythomas3633]

​@@Jovialjay86tell black men to wear a condom...

[@epiphanyperry1877]

Coach Crump, a man of God was the best part of this panel. ALSO as always appreciated Ty and Ryan for bringing these topics and for sharing such amazing examples. That moment when Anton's wife appeared seemed performative to me. Also I think the conversation steered away from masculinity and veered into blaming women

[@CB47796]

Agreed❤

[@plot229]

The conversation flowed the way it should have regardless of how you felt about it.

[@natalonbinder2284]

Agreed. This is not a discussion with men if it reverts to women like the brother said just goes in circles

[@aprilwashington3150]

You must be one of his Minions. He couldn't even go to the scripture right. God said worry about the BEAN in your eye before you worry about the BEAN in my eye 😂😂😂😂😂 Idiot

[@Luver4lyfe]

@@plot229just like you commented your opinion , someone disagrees. Is that a problem ?

[@milksomethinggood]

2:38:33 brother Anton says he doesn't answer to nobody but God and takes his direction from God after Ryan in part asks if part of the heat Brother Anton gets is because of his delivery... The Word says the fruits of the Spirit are: self-control, peace, joy, kindness, gentleness, goodness, forbearance, faithfulness, love So our direction in Christ includes stewarding the fruits of the spirit throughout our communication. I always keep this conversation close to my heart because it was eye-opening for me. In Women of Impact KZbin channel as Lisa Bilyeu was interviewing Stephan Speaks he touched on bluntness. He said, "When I was younger I disguised it as- I was blunt without tact. I just let it fly, and my whole defense was 'Well I'm just being real, I'm just honest'. The problem was me to you, 'You can't handle my honesty'. And I had to learn that- No, I was an a**hole. That's the bottom line. I was a professional a**hole. And I convinced myself this was okay, but I had to learn that, No, you have a responsibility in how you deliver your message. So who I am is blunt, yes; but who I am not is being rude and crass and lacking compassion with how people feel when I express certain things. So the key is not to stop being honest and blunt, I just had to learn how to do it with love, with compassion, with an understanding of how people receive me. Learning how to be in tune with other individuals so I can relay this message in a way they can receive. I had to accept the reality of- do you want to be heard or do you want to be received?" -Stephan Speaks And of course, being radically transparent with ourselves that we are communicating the truth in the Spirit and not in our self-righteousness. We're only human, and getting sucked into the trap of self-righteousness can happen to the best of us. But glory to God that His grace is greater. Grateful for platforms like these where we can-in the words of Tysean- "chop it up" and uplift each other in Christ. Blessings, gentlemen!

[@Daamwright]

There’s also a scripture in the middle of the Bible that says “a soft answer turns away wrath, but grievous words stir up anger!” It also talks about our little members (the tongue) and how it can set off the course of nature and start fires…

[@truthbtold8697]

​@@Daamwrightwe have gotten to the point where if is a disagreement it's looked at as bad tone..even if it's respectful but blunt it's tone, no raising voices, no cursing, no blatant disrespect...but a woman will see it as a bad tone...you can barely even be honest with today's woman

[@dialac1]

Eat the meat and spit out the bone. You don’t have to like Anton or his delivery but you cannot deny he’s speaking facts and it comes from a place of love. Dont expect a man to talk like a woman. A woman is nurturing. A man doesn’t have to be. If you grew up with a strong father, you’ll understand this

[@tboog8356]

yall are always talking about delivery when the message is real countless women on youtube are getting cursed out for saying the same things and they've delivered their message even more "gently" smh

[@dialac1]

@@tboog8356 facts

[@soundsaboutright---]

Panel: let's discuss masculinity Anton: but the women...

[@devnotes00]

Infantilism of the men while pointing the finger at all black women for our problems

[@SonorousSilence]

He called himself a "Benevolent Dictator." *(Meaning: Well-Wishing Forceful Ruler)* .... So 2 faced? Manipulator? I don't know. 🤔🤔🤔 Did he think that through? I'm tired of Temu Rock Ross thinking he got bars. 🤓

[@idareyoutolove]

😂

[@Haramu-Fal0]

All I hear is, Women: blah blah accountability is off of us. 🤡💩

[@Goddessneith888]

Exactly Professor Odi hit the nail on the head. Anton is a goofy and lacks the same accountability he wants to project onto women

[@Daft_Sage]

You cannot hold anybody accountable but yourself. You can punish them if you have power over them, but very rarely do you have power over them. An important point that was glossed over is that Tysean claims he is Christian and yet engages in unchristian behavior. This behavior is indicative of the modern ethos. You as individuals (man or woman) have to know what is right and do what is right. If you cannot find anybody that lives up to the standard do not get married. There are too many men and women who do the wrong things and complain when it blows up in their face.

[@sweetumsDenise]

You made some good points.

[@claudettespencer5448]

Captivating episode as ever, but not all for the right reasons. Referring wholly/ solely to the Anton Daniels guy. What’s up with his obnoxious, self righteous, rude, pompous attitude, especially towards the the prof. AD was insulting, condescending, disrespectful. Reference his statements (paraphrased): “and you’re a therapist”; “you’re saying all the things I am saying only with a lot of big words”! Smacks of insecurity because the prof came across more learned & experienced in relationship matters. Further along he addressed the prof as follows: “what’s his name, the therapist? “, said in a most disparaging way. You mean to tell me, he is co-guest with the prof & has been debating for about an hour by now and doesn’t know his name , the simple OD, or his academic title. Add in AD’s faux outrage body language when OD speaks, false incredulity & as if OD uttered something ridiculous. The irony is OD especially & even Crouch Crump’s dispositions were remarkable studies in contrast. Retorts were calm, measured and with humility & respect. No comebacks from OD despite the subtle insults from AD. It got worse in the end with AD laying every problem of society at the doors of women. Totally cowardly from someone with so much braggadocio. AND to cap it all, he was insulting/ scurrilous to viewers who took him to task in the chats read out by Ryan. Man! I sincerely hope he reviews the episode with a professional communicator, relationship expert. He is clearly none of those things. Re his pontification / boast on his ‘perfect’ marriage, ‘perfect’ extended families, ‘perfect’ other relationships and since he claims to know his scriptures so well, may I remind him of Jesus’ disposition with the woman at the well, the woman the Pharisees wanted to stone, David, who lusted after Bathsheba, took her from her husband then plot to have him killed. Yet, this same David, God called “a man after my own heart”. How about AD studying the life of the Apostle Paul, ( whom he referenced) when he was Saul and before he was converted? Bro Daniels, A PERFECT Christ came to save an imperfect world. His followers are expected to be Christlike, humble, not boastful (except in our salvation). I reiterate the irony of your co-guests who while being far less performative than you were, displayed far more Christlikeness. I also suggest you review all previous HI episodes featuring men of the cloth as guests. I refer to speakers of the ilk of Pastor James ( with polygamist guests for example), Pastor Blake, Pastor Bryan Meadows, Tim Ross. Lots of lessons in these about Christlike interactions with both the saved and especially the unsaved.🙏🏾✝️✝️✝️

[@PlutosMoon22]

🤔🤔If Andrew Tate were a Christian, he and Ant..... nvm😩

[@ChadBromwell]

You are spot ON”appreciate your statements 🗣✊

[@bethanaaaay]

Very well said! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@tamaralatavia6546]

BEST. COMMENT. HANDS. DOWN. YOU LITERALLY SPOKE MY HEART IN IT'S ENTIRETY CONCERNING THIS!!! THANK YOUUUU 🙏🏾💕

[@nonayobiz8511]

My God!!! I love the 2 hosts! God bless and keep these young men!!❤

[@TrishaBurris]

The Shumake Way should be your next guess on the Panel true man of GOD!!

[@victoriahurdle1393]

Yes 🙏

[@cemeciam.4019]

Agreed! ✨

[@filmadcamp1512]

Love him but not sure if he is interested in debating (going back and forth with) anyone. I could see him and Professor Odi on together though.

[@epiphanyperry1877]

Agreed

[@Lightreign888]

🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯

[@chantellgray6425]

Thanks!

[@nikki7168]

Just finished watching this. Some reflections: overall, I believe men are to train up other men and women other women. I do believe Anton has a pharaoh spirit. Though he knows to quote the Bible, he comes across as a person who lacks humility that is emboldened by his privileged circumstance. Jesus reserved his harshest criticisms for those who professed themselves to be spiritual teachers, not the sinners looking for guidance. On another note, I do believe that both men and women are called to abstinence until marriage (not just women) and I do agree that biblically there is only singledom or marriage. A lot would be sorted out much more healthily if people took on this approach. Overall, the convo was a bit draining...mainly because my personal experience of God is that I desire to obey the Lord out of my delight and gratitude for His abundant love, not fear of retribution/condemnation. Shame has never worked for me, it only reinforces harmful behavior.

[@jlynn9575]

well said

[@AbundantLiving7]

Also Note: Just cause someone is "Married" doesn't mean the marriage is Healthy and both involved are fulfilled and Happy😚

[@FatherDIVINE.]

It ain't bout happiness user

[@sallyhemings2295]

@@FatherDIVINE.😅marry someone that your unhappy with and see how that goes!

[@flatout1017]

Most men put their happiness to the side for the relationship/family, a lot of woman will put the relationship/family to the side for happiness. Happiness seems to always be the way out, when ultimately happiness comes from within. The compromises and sacrifices one makes don’t contribute to happiness of self it’s all for the betterment of the relationship/family and at times it comes with agony but you find peace and happiness there for the sake of your loved one. Jesus wasn’t happy He cried out to God, He suffered for the good of the people but we think we aren’t suppose to suffer because we are taught to blame Jesus for our sins. You’re not going to always be “happy”. And if people can stop trying to seek it outwardly and go inward where God dwells you’ll be more secure in yourself and relationships.

[@kevinlb10]

To be honest with you, a lot of people say fulfilled and happy and is usually the most arbitrary reasons. It's not necessarily within the full capabilities of the relationship. It's usually based off of something that's feel good

[@flatout1017]

@@kevinlb10 Exactly!

[@kizzyharrison6906]

We could learn a little something from each one of these men💎 but we don't have to subscribe to 100% of everthing they said.✌🏿💯🙏🏿

[@shmeikahall4809]

Agreed!

[@growingwithg]

01:01:50 ODI said “I’m not going to tell my child that what they’re feeling is incorrect” pertaining to his child hypothetically coming to him saying they like the same sex. If by principle, you can’t tell your child what they’re feeling is wrong, I can’t get on that wave because where does that line stop? If your child wants to harm another, you won’t tell him he’s wrong? Principles make life simple. I’m only this far in the podcast but so far Anton& the other guy is on point. I’ll continue.

[@jerlynnghee207]

That's not the same thing. Feelings and harming someone don't equate.

[@Tono.W.Herrera]

​@@jerlynnghee207To cause harm would be based on feelings. Violence starts with your emotions. If your child says that they "feel" like responding with violence every time they have a disagreement, would this not fit the context of the OP's post?

[@lastnamefirst9423]

If a child wants to harm someone and simply tell them not to. They haven't learned anything from you and you haven't learned anything about them. If they say they want to harm someone and you ask them why? You're more likely to get to the root of their feelings. Feelings and thoughts precede actions. Feelings are important.

[@nik-at-nite]

His perspective is that attraction is natural, which I can’t disagree with. And simply telling a child that something is wrong doesn’t mean their feeling automatically change. As he said, if that was the case, conversion camps would be successful. But they are not. The success rate is trash and they cause more trauma than good.

[@sarayconcepcion]

This is one of my favorite episodes! It was so good! I’m definitely watching it again and sharing it!

[@mwongicaga5443]

Much needed debate. Food for thought. More that anything, I think these conversations need to take place in our communities where these problems are happening. Much love from South Africa.

[@Ra_ZoneJ]

Anton is getting a Headache and its intensified min by min as the show goes on. God graced him with strength to set the record straight on each discussion point

[@Jovialjay86]

Ladies be responsible for your cookie! No sex before marriage. If we all stay on the same page men can't believe we are the reason for the decline.

[@brandonpeacenlove4375]

Good luck with that

[@Jovialjay86]

@@brandonpeacenlove4375 We don't need luck. We need God at the forefront.

[@cyes1156]

That works if your a Virgin or 25yrs old or younger..............Thats for young women not women in their 30's......How you been on the dating market all the way until 30yrs old, now you want to withhold hell no

[@Jovialjay86]

@@cyes1156 what you're saying is a mindset of the world and you're entitled to it. You also don't have to date those women. Age shouldn't have anything to do with the principle. It doesn't reduce a woman's value. Especially as children of God. Holding out until marriage saves women from being baby mama statistics. You should be excited about that.

[@cyes1156]

@Jovialjay86 You live in the same world I leave in.... True or not 70% of black women have children of wedlock (most by the worst men of our society)......True or not black women are the only race of women that will disqualify a man due to his height ("girl he gotta be 6ft tall").....True or not black women date bad boys while in her 20's then want the "good man" in her 30's........Men are waking up we know the facts......No man of VALUE wants to be anyone's second choice Also, marriagiable people (men and women) get married in their early to mid 20's (college sweethearts or meet each other no later than 28yrs old) and then get off of the dating market and BUILD TOGETHER (black women don't want to build) There is an unprecedented amount of single, attractive, black women in their 30's.....Why??? You waited too long thats why.......Your husband was in your Friendzone in your 20's and you know it

[@charlenerobinson2965]

So far I’m agreeing with everything Anton is saying at 1:32 in my catching up.

[@Jovialjay86]

So many men are stating that pointing out his delivery is us "missing the point" No. it matters. The same men will say women speaking sternly is masculine. You know why? Because delivery matters! Even if she's telling the truth.

[@soundsaboutright---]

Exactly. These same men will comes to blows because a guy called him a b-word.

[@63112jg]

You can't have traditional outcomes with modern mindset.

[@conniecrawford9707]

True 👍🏼

[@houstonveganchick5659]

you can have both

[@63112jg]

@houstonveganchick5659 I'm sorry but you can't have both. Just like you can't go to dental school and then be an heart surgeon. You can't approach a relationship in a modern way and get traditional outcomes. Most modern women want traditional men. But doesn't want to put in the work of what a traditional man is looking for. Now if you want to be modern that's completely fine but don't expect a traditional man to be looking for a boss "B". It's possible but not very probable if you're being realistic.

[@RobinShane]

@@houstonveganchick5659Yes you can have both and it will be chaotic as hell.

[@ItsMe-xx9qm]

Yes you can.

[@tebogomoalusi3591]

Professor ODI for president. Also I dont like that Anthon questioned Odi's profession. Its a debate and Anthon cant debate without tearing people down. Terrible human being.

[@AlbowaSinema]

You can hate Anton all you want, he is right!

[@JetLagWorldTravel]

Odi is a clown Anton actually has results of 20 years in a successful marriage and a self made millionaire

[@houstonveganchick5659]

I agree. I don't think he realizes that he contradicts himself a lot and that is frustrating to me. He is an intelligent men, but I think he needs to prepare before he gets on a panel so that he can sing the same song throughout.

[@tebogomoalusi3591]

@@AlbowaSinema If you gonna call out woman dont just stop there, call the men out too, which is not what he's doing. My issue is how one sided he's views are. But I assume you also believe its just woman that are the problem right?

[@AlbowaSinema]

@@tebogomoalusi3591 you are aware the moment women get criticised, you jump at everyone doing that...as you are doing now. You are looking to be coddled as most men do to you. Women have become promiscous, disloyal, no respect for men with your feminist nonsense ideology, you don't build shit yet keep talking crap about working class men, you abort our next generation and also expect to be called a hero for that, the list is endless. So spare me the double speak. I can question anyone's profession...especially when their ideas are below par...as this Prof dude is one such case. You are just defending him because he is a woke person pandering to your sensibilities. You called Anton a terrible human being for having morals and principles. You are just emoting that is all. Your opinions are watered down to nothing because you just spew nonsense as an emotional response to a fact told to you....and expect praise. Your reaction here is immature and pretentious. So there.

[@itsmekiaratee]

In so many ways my husband is like Anton. He makes his position clear and stands on it!! It’s not for all women, but it’s definitely for the women who want to be taken care of and who don’t mind truly taking a step back. I used to work in Corporate and made 6-figures. When I married my husband, he asked me to resign and to let him take care of everything. Just like Anton, my husband does ask/ take my opinion into account but ultimately he does make the final decisions. When you want to be with a respectable and well off man, these are definitely the type of changes that will be made. These types of men don’t worry about fitting into your life, they more so make space for you to fit into theirs. This is when they have Purpose! It’s important that a woman doesn’t have manipulative ways when dealing with a man like this because she could easily turn his way of being into a negative by trying to label the man a certain way but honestly, most women truly do want a soft life. We’re not used to seeing this demonstrated because most of us have seen our mothers work 40+ hours (like men do) but it’s okay to change the course of your life. Though it’s not always easy, I’m very glad that I have! I get to be home with our son and travel with my husband for work when he leaves.

[@morena1484]

I pray that you have a safety net, because God forbid that you've positioned yourself to rely on your husband financially and structurally, and then something causes you to separate. I've counseled too many women who've had a devastating result due to not having anyway to take care of themselves after being left, abused, cheated on etc. God Bless

[@Tono.W.Herrera]

​@@morena1484That's the problem. Why would you project fear and a scarcity mindset to her as if this dynamic is bound to fail? That's the wrong way to approach any situation in life if you expect to be sucessful.

[@itsmekiaratee]

⁠@@morena1484 I understand your standpoint. Whatever you fear will become your reality. I have no fear of what you’ve stated being my reality. I intentionally mentioned that I had a 6-figure career before I married him as a Project Manager for 10 years. I prioritized my savings and investment accounts for over 10 years, as I’ve had a financial advisor since I was 23 so I’ve thrived financially for over a decade. I married for love and to be of service to his purpose/vision, not for away out, to be saved or for a come up!!

[@drillingig2368]

@@Tono.W.Herrera They don’t understand that even if they lose everything, they have contingency plans for this very reason.

[@itsmekiaratee]

@@morena1484​​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠I stated that I had a 6-figure income before him. I was/still am a project manager of 10 years, I just PM for his business/purpose. I’ve been financially stable for over a decade because I’ve had the same financial advisor for over a decade so my portfolio is well diversified. I didn’t marry my husband for him to save me, so that I could resign from my career or for a come up. We’re not all out here doing bad and out of options lol. I’ve done incredibly well for myself and always will. Whatever you fear will become your reality. I don’t fear what you stated above for my marriage. It’s all about prosperity and endless possibilities in my world! That shall be the fruit of my life/reality. God bless you!

[@LHC3544]

As a single black woman with no children I find it extremely difficult to meet a black man w/o children and has never been married. That static is lie and can be easily disputed. We can’t sit here and say we need to hold women accountable for being in the streets and blah blah blah but put the actions of lying, manipulating ect on the mothers of grown men who choose to operate in dysfunction. No self control, discipline and choose to not grow. Also some men weren’t raised like that. When God comes for judgement everyone will be held accountable for THEIR actions. We can’t pick and choose when we want to apply the word of God to our agenda. So I don’t agree with Anton! Both men and women need to be held accountable for their actions.

[@canadianbrotv1303]

Where you from i have no children, not married

[@truthbtold8697]

Where do you get these easily disputed stats???

[@AbundantLiving7]

Lol like /single black Moms have a Single BAby Daddy somewhere.. and he is dating in these streets

[@LELE2113-c8q]

The stats that Anton presented does not make sense. He suggested without source that 10 percent of BM father 100 percent of blk households. That would mean that most of the present blk child population are paternal half siblings. He only wants BW to take accountability for fatherless homes. This is not leadership. A leader would address both male and female behaviour and choices.

[@ITISKONY]

I'm single and with no kids. I have friends like that too. And when I meet women they say something is wrong because I don't have kids. 😂 You need to change your circle.

[@theoracle2760]

Anton is VERY needed for the simple fact he exposes the hypocrisy of so many. He is literally the example of what so many CLAIM to want the blk man to be. Married 20+ years, never been any accusations of him being an adulterer, financially well off, celebrates his wife and always has her by his side, provides a lifestyle where she doesn't have to work a regular 9 to 5, she always has a big smile on her face and looks healthy and happy, she's even dark-skinned so they can't claim he's a "colorist", involved father, no outside kids by him or his wife, etc. But because he speaks up for men, does not bow down to BW, and is willing to openly call out their behavior that is not healthy for the group they ABSOLUTELY HATE him for it. That should tell anyone all they need to know about where things are in the so-called "community".

[@derrickcox645]

Man you cooking with this statement! They want a good man but good men hold them accountable! That’s why they settle for Ray Ray and them cause they know the standards they have.

[@Blueskullz503]

Agreed!

[@davidestick9936]

One thousand percent

[@cliftonwhite108]

Bro was solid the whole interview.

[@ConsciousRebel85]

💯 The communitah is a joke. Most bm are cowards and are afraid to hold bw accountable and this is why all these issues they claim to care about won't be fixed. BM are raised under a matriarchy to be simps, so most of our default setting is to blame bm for everything. You can't mention one thing about the bw without some simp bringing up the faults of bm as if we haven't been examined time and time again, and have actually made progress and gotten better. It's the bw is the Queen Mother Goddess mentality and that's why I think it's a waste of time to even try to save or fix the communitah. I think there's just going to be a separation and different pockets of the black community. The bm who want to be men, leaders and stand on masculinity will do their thing and the bw who really just live to serve bw no matter what even to the detriment of themselves and the community will keep doing what they do. Then you'll have the passport bros and sysbm guys who decide to not deal with the foolishness of the black community.

[@nicolenikita9325]

Hey professor Odi love your videos❤❤❤

[@alyssawesley3137]

There has to be a standard period

[@freshprogressbeauty]

I do agree with Anton on you will know them by their fruit, our community leaders often have rotten fruit: - Dr umar should be married - Diddy should have been called out etc

[@DG-nk9ji]

Facts

[@sweetumsDenise]

I think I get what you mean, but I don't know that I'd want to subject any sister to being the wife of Umar 😅 He's probably in that category of most men not being ready. real bad lol

[@d3v1ll1an]

I do, with all respect and context, truly believe this conversation has to be reevaluated in full transparency if I'm being honest. Why? As a man who lives in spirituality coming from a full (Baptist) household, with my level of success, has issue with how masculinity is addressed here. Not to discredit @AntonDaniels, @CoachCrump, or @Professor Odi for their credibility and experience in this space, but let's REALLY talk about masculinity in the transitions of governing seperate of the "culture", religion, and blood ties. Frankly (No disrespect to AD or Crump) the manner of grooming children to be the standard of textbook masculine or feminine utilizing religious doctrine in place of emotional sustainability is a toxin. The argument made to invalidate the intellect and "human rights" of man/woman based on people being: Alpha/Beta/Sigma/Omega, Simps/Feminists/Traditional, based on a socialcultural change in the dynamic of what it means to be masculine is, in simple terms, false. While Odi fell short of detailing the process (due to interjections for commentary/rebuttals), this episode allowed AD to go Kevin Samuels on delivery and always be able to exhaust points mostly scutinizing the "insecure" women for being too irresponsble or the "broken" man failing himself in manhood. How is this problematic? People were live buying/selling a subscription to operate based on the definition of red/black/pink/etc pill dosage to condition themselves from both the conscious reality and level of work required to success as a whole. For someone who actually lives his best life living in understanding divinity and masculinity for what I've been through, I thank Tysean & Ryan for being able to do this.

[@Daamwright]

Good commentary. Perfect assessment. Thanks

[@motivation-wz7qi]

A lot of talking and over complicating something that has been simple from the beginning of time. Stop simping. It is breaking our communities.

[@d3v1ll1an]

@@motivation-wz7qi "Stop Simping" is one of the trashiest rebuttals ever to this convo. That's elementary school grade behavior my guy. Being intentionally ignorant is easy/simple, but since the beginning of time? Ya might wanna revisit history and the economy when it comes to black oppression, period. Don't simp for Dusty Ol Masta's Praise in whipping you into his image.

[@nRODuTRUST]

Anton stated that being a good man is not enough but had a whole back n forth with a woman who made a tik tok about leaving her man even tho he was a good man because being a good man wasn't enough for her.

[@TheLOVEISWHATWENEED]

STAND FOR TRUTH EVEN IF ITS AGAINST YOU

[@jacks21glife10]

2:05:13 where can one find the statistics, this Anton guy speaks about, that states: most black men don't have children out of wedlock and that they still make more money then woman? Is it possible to get the link to these stats? P.s. @ 2:05:46. So these "ppl" aka women, that Anton is referring to, are having children out of wedlock with themselves?¿¿

[@muchgoodisgiven1517]

I’ve been searching for the data too.

[@derrickcox645]

Your body your choice right? You see how that works.

[@pepehands3399]

As of 2015, at 77.3 percent, black Americans have the highest rate of non-marital births among native Americans. In 2016 29% of African Americans were married, while 48% of all Americans were. Also, 50% of African Americans have never been married in contrast to 33% of all Americans

[@Tono.W.Herrera]

Search for Black Demographics or go directly to the CDC.

[@jacks21glife10]

@@derrickcox645 It's to early in the morning sir. Lets make this make sense.

[@Daamwright]

I strained to hear or see Jesus Christ of the Bible in Anton’s final comment.

[@Jovialjay86]

This! His delivery does not reflect the image of God and I say that in the most respectful way possible.

[@SoBeIt27]

For the most part, he is a representative of John 8v44. His whole demeanour and speech are coming from that source.

[@Daamwright]

@@SoBeIt27 dang smh

[@birtminer]

That’s because he’s not a child of God, he just be talking because he has a mouth. He consistently contradicts himself

[@Daamwright]

JESUS said … Take my yoke upon you and learn of me for I am meek and lowly… that right there didn’t reflect that.

[@KEXOCOLD]

Anton is right and The Numbers and The Culture reflects what he’s speaking to.

[@thezu9250]

His stats are actually false. Super scary how people dont look them up just because it feels good to them.

[@soundsaboutright---]

​@@thezu9250 right?!

[@mjanime786]

Im with Anton especially when he mentioned women with kids. I'm not trying to marry someone with kids already

[@888hereandnow]

A woman wants a great leader ,who is submitted to God and also realizes his wife has intuition,insights & awareness that he does not possess.He is a very wise man to humbly value & consider his wife's input when she has one..Otherwise the wedding ceremony should have a part where they rem8ve the wife's brain,emotions & mouth.

[@kayannthegreat]

I'm convinced society will become like The Handmaid's Tale if you leave it up to men.

[@brielax4441]

I love your comment!!! 💯

[@sherwoodwalker573]

The current society and economic freedom you enjoy and this platform was designed by? Women?

[@888hereandnow]

@@brielax4441 💖

[@888hereandnow]

@@brielax4441 💓

[@alyssawesley3137]

You have to set a standard by leading by example

[@epiphanyperry1877]

Professor Odi was on point when he pointed out Anton is passing the buck. Turning a conversation about masculinity into the woman's fault. It's cap that women aren't teaching women to hold themselves accountable and telling women the truth. Lies. Every woman I've ever met, talks about accountability for women. We and their fathers are the ones teaching them to focus on self improvement, get education, abstain, wait until marriage before sharing your life with men. It is the broken men who influence those young ladies and call us bitter old women when they begin lying to the women to get sex. Then the women who listened, didn't sleep around or have children and built a successful life are told their standards are unrealisric, abused by men,trafficked, lied to. Yes women should be accountable but men have to be taught they should not seek women as a masturbation sleeve. By and large men still tell other men they're acting on instincts to chase tail and have no requirement to discipline their own actions. Feminism was necessary because if the victimization brought on by men. Controlling the women, their access to resources, their autonomy without men first having self control and discipline

[@sherryguidry8131]

Some men and young men trick some young girls into to believing that they can do it and never get pregnant. We should be accountable men and women to do the dance. My disappointment with men is if you make a baby your responsibility is to step up and change your child's course of life. The solution is that one of us has to do the right thing. It does not matter it can not happen if one of you do not engage in remarriage sex ,then it can not happen. Fathers need to really be active in raising their daughters and sons .

[@TM-fm3hh]

You're talking about 15% of men. They should pick from the 50+% of black men that are single and childless. They'd rather have babies with Dequaveontaviouses, pookies and RayRays than the decent wholesome men. They picked men that would make them baby mamas instead of men that would make them wives...that's on them!

[@petracain6794]

I've worked in enough nursing homes to agree with Coach crump on reaching your highest self in marriage. I will bring another perspective to it. Those two other guys are looking at life from the angle where you are strong and capable. However, in the midst of all this attaining success alone, you fall ill. Who is more committed than a wife and kids to take care of you and to speak life into you? I cared for a 85 year old virgin, and her regret was never getting married, I asked why you did not get married? She was ambitious she was building, and she got too pickey was her response, saddest individual ever, yet the married ones and the ones whose spouse died were happy as well. So you are saying you are doing all this building and achieving just to end up alone? I have the privilege of seeing that does not work.

[@drillingig2368]

People who fall ill whilst building wealth have a different perspective. If I fall ill my assets and business will take care of me and my family until I become better. Always trying to insert fear into others by projecting your situationship onto others. Yes if you fall ill, you’ll suffer, but not the wealthy. If at all, they don’t even have to work as money is making the money coming in (AKA assets, businesses, dividends, etc)…. Just say you’re not wealthy, it’s okay.

[@djidjine5082]

I had similar experience! I had a lady who was also ambitious and traveling. She didn’t get married till late 30s. Her husband ended up passing away a few years later and she did not have any children. Her niece was in charge of everything but she was barely reachable. I remember my job was throwing a Xmas party and I noticed that she was sad. I asked her what’s wrong and she said that everyone has their family but no one came to see her.

[@burnthrust]

With as high as divorce rates are and how women are initiating 80% of them, I have to disagree with u. Women in mass are hurting men more than helping

[@djidjine5082]

@@burnthrust Women are initiating because most men will love to have their cake and eat it too! Most women divorce when they’ve reach their breaking point.

[@sweetumsDenise]

@@burnthrust Blame blame blame, geesh 😬 if they are married, what's leading to the decision to divorce? Do you agree that it takes both men and women to work toward a happy, healthy marriage (together)?

[@kenjones8139]

Wow. Now he’s just being rude. Now who’s being EMOTIONAL?! Bro.

[@flatout1017]

1:11:30 true the best flex is when you become the example for the community. Everybody wants to build programs, and counsels for the community but aren’t a reflection of that in their own home or in themselves. You have single people or divorced individuals trying to illustrate their perception of relationships to the community when they weren’t accountable for breaking up their home and trying to build a platform to teach the community. If divorced people want to teach, teach from a place of where you went wrong rather than blaming the other for the circumstances and pushing negativity in your teachings on why you shouldn’t get married and so forth. Just be the example and the community will see your walk rather than your talk.

[@ChadBromwell]

Well said 🗣

[@Arie1317]

Out of all of the man in this panel, I gained extreme respect for Professor Odi. He’s the most level-headed, articulate individual in this debate. He’s honestly too intellectual for this 4 vs. 1 “debate”. Truly demonstrated the type of character a leader should show even when they are being cornered, like in this supposed “debate” turned into a 4 vs. 1 attack on Professor Odi🌝.

[@BigmommaKi]

He stood on his word fasho❤

[@trent3788]

He pandered.

[@lajoyahill3139]

Ty and Ry, hats off to y'all for your platform. There will be haters. There will be difficult guests, but you two always keep a hold on the right perspective. We love y'all and y'all are easily the go to podcast for "our" perspective in life! God bless you guys, always!❤❤❤

[@coreythomas3633]

Black men why ya can't build community and protect ya family like White men.. Why ya dont practice family structure like mexican men.. Why ya don't educate ya children like ,asain men.. Ya lack masculinity that the problem....

[@Mrpdw1]

We don’t need men like Odi leading anything

[@njerikimuhu5974]

Odi's discussion is based on reality on the ground, the rest based on an ideal world.

[@chrismog286]

Not true!

[@dannysan2441]

You must be Nigerian!😂

[@chrismog286]

@@dannysan2441 you must be ghetto and a "strong black woman,don't need no man" queen. 🤣🤣🤣

[@BigmommaKi]

Facts

[@chrismog286]

@@dannysan2441 I am Nigerian for sure!😁

[@patricefeanny6621]

To be wrong and strong is wild😂 This conversation was an emotional roller-coaster 🎢 😅😅

[@shawntelthomas6413]

I would rather be single than deal with an Anton!

[@JetLagWorldTravel]

You not even on Anton level he's 20 years successfully married and built a self made multi million dollar business while you're just a pump and dump

[@aishawoods2787]

Yessssss. I couldn’t! GOD have him with the right one. Thank GOD for my Husband!

[@ChadBromwell]

I'm a granddad and I must agree 👍 all men , me included “wear masks 👺

[@ItsMe-xx9qm]

I bet he gives Rita the blues. She doesn’t want to lose the life…

[@JetLagWorldTravel]

@@ItsMe-xx9qm Rita hasn't worked in 15 years and can buy anything she wants I'm sure she's so unhappy you're a hater

[@bricehudson3948]

Anton has spoken in circles several times during this podcast. When will we boycott the far right rhetoric from men and women? You can tell when the industry backs a content creator. I completely agree with the professor. One hand has to wash the other. Meaning ALL have to be accountable for the part they play. The Professor standing on business. Regardless of the likes from men. It is always funny to me that when hit dogs hollar they scream simping or a man is feminine.

[@jasonmorris3051]

I only saw the 1st part and I have to say I freaking love this 5 black brothers just conversing no one is yelling just great conversation

[@NikkiBeDoingStuff]

Oh My! Anton! I don’t understand how a man of God who considers himself as “the blueprint” resorts to name calling and put-downs when someone disagrees with him. How does that contribute to a productive conversation among adults? I was kinda getting what he was saying although I may not have agreed with everything but then it got distorted with his inability to control his emotions.

[@marthachess9300]

A Man is always the head whether He leads you to heaven or Hell is the woman choice to accept or reject

[@petracain6794]

Men are not having children out of wedlock? So who are they having these kids with?

[@blkyogi999]

Wasn’t that like the stupidest comment… Anton is a different kind of

[@Tono.W.Herrera]

Well, men by in large are not having children out of wedlock based on the demographic statistics. This means to say that women are often having babies by the same population of men that already have children. The majority of men are single and childless, but a majority of women are not.

[@ItsMe-xx9qm]

Anton says things to always contradict the statistics 😂. He does not speak on truth at all. It’s about image with him. .

[@lyavule360Degrees]

I was asking myself 😂😂😂😂

[@Tono.W.Herrera]

@@lyavule360Degrees What you and the others missed is that women are having babies by the same population of men. Stats show that most Black men are single and childless. Conversely, most Black women are not. The overlap is the women who picked the guy that had 4 other kids already as if she would be the one...

[@makedamarie]

This was a great debate with various perspectives. As with any debate there are some things you may agree and disagree with. I must honestly say Anton at the end of the video really showed his true self and it was not a good look. He needs to hold his self accountable and take note with his actions and that he may not always be right.

[@ChadBromwell]

Agreed..anton thinks he's one of a kind, but he knows that not true, the best lies are when you believe them first”so his ego is in for the journey

[@bronxishomenomatterwhereig3149]

He has the results to back up his talk. Most of ya trying to push back, got nothing to stand on.

[@wayne1mgr]

Is it possible we can talk about feminine and masculine as a form of energy. And the questions that we debated on.

[@NuancedNita]

🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@lorenzohardaway8828]

Anton is the truth when it comes to this subject matter. Flat-out

[@myhicks]

Really, because he makes himself sound like an unstudied idiot who can’t see being his need to stand in the necks of Black women.

[@JD-ge9eb]

Facts!

[@BlackKingtoRook]

Let me translate on what Anton & Odi is saying: All men or at least the majority are born to lead. But how effective they are at leading is what Odi was trying to say.

[@tobiuchiha8370]

Anton has the results a lot of us are trying to achieve and people are tight for what he is saying. I could understand if he wasn’t living what he preached, but the man has been SUCCESSFULLY married to a BLACK WOMAN for 20 years now. You would think logic should tell people he knows what it takes for marriages to work. No, their feelings gets in the way of them actually receiving new information that will help turn things around in these homes that’s ran by women. I feel bad for our current generation because so many people are moving away from traditional values.

[@DG-nk9ji]

Facts odi sound like a the new umar to me

[@cemeciam.4019]

With Anton it’s a facade, he has an air of arrogance to his approach. I’m not saying he’s not living what he’s preaching. But what I am saying it’s the way he goes about it. His tone, his posture, and his demeanor. A lot of reverse psychology and mind control with Anton. I see right through it. I get that if you are in his marriage, there’s little that you can say or feelings are being dismissed and what he says is final. You lose your voice as a woman being with this type of man. Uh uh. 😒

[@Luver4lyfe]

You will be swindled the same way KS swindled the masses and had an embarrassing demise . Anton’s message is disingenuous… masquerading as perfect is a STRATEGY. Yall help him build his lifestyle and wealth by supporting him and believing his stories 😂😂😂 no street smarts whatsoever!

[@ChadBromwell]

Both points are valid..and in 10yrs God willing if Anton is still standing and HOLDING it 🙏

[@themightyafrodite5029]

How far back are we going to pick the tradition we prefer to follow?

[@alyssawesley3137]

I believe you can be your highest version without marriage. I don't believe everyone is meant to be married. The bi product of following christ is being the highest version of yourself

[@roots1458]

There's a lot of Christians that behave like trash actually. No fruit, but they believe themselves to be following Christ. Nowhere near the highest versions of themselves.

[@njerikimuhu5974]

Hey, I live in Kenya and would absolutely loooooove the cards! I love this podcast...okay let me sit back and listen to this episode...

[@davemusyoka5144]

Nairobi kenya in the house, Anton brought me here

[@trent3788]

Kenyan women are in "come we stay" relationships having babies out of wedlock and then the men bounce. These women then want a good man to come and rescue them from financial issues.

[@gig-squid9573]

Oddie gets it!!! God bless you bro

[@hearmistory3281]

Thanking God that you’re bringing in the men!

[@jermainehatcher3230]

Anton, is making some good points.

[@Wendy-wj1gy]

I love Anton thinking! This is a REAL man! I love it. I hope all men on the panel will learn and apply this teaching!

[@kpw12002]

They will not simping and pandering pays too well

[@JamesASharp]

FACTS!!

[@Wendy-wj1gy]

Men wearing women hairstyles is crazy to me! Long hair, hair twist, braided hair/ beads! Earrings in ears, these men r looking more n more like women everyday!

[@tam6011]

They have for the last 10 years. So much so they thinking a woman has to super feminine woman.

[@Luver4lyfe]

Just say that’s YOUR myopic view. Every generation has men with long hair. And in certain African cultures it’s not unusual to see a man with earrings. Why are you so rigid about preferences that have nothing to do with you. What someone else wears on their head has nothing to do with you 😂😂

[@eb4478]

EVERYDAY! Nail polish 🥴 ? Eew

[@hotepheru1555]

Agree viking egyptians afrians tribes gauges...if you say wearing purses tight jeans nail polish pegging make up i agree​@@Luver4lyfe

[@aramisa528]

Professor Odi coming through with facts and not emotions like Anton!!

[@shemarphelps1986]

Brotha Anton Daniels is always on point when it comes to these conversations 💯 I respect the fact that Anton is not about “order” but “consistency”. I think tha ya what you need in order to have a thriving, loving & dope marriage & family. Men are too afraid to speak up nowadays in fear of being cancelled & hated. Men & women both most embrace the roles that God has given us, & when we become out of order with each other, our relationship with God starts to fall apart, as well with our Wife/ Husband, children & Many other loved ones.

[@coreythomas3633]

He lame just like you

[@12days-ago]

This was a fiery DEBATE! ALL the men made valid points. However, I didn’t appreciate the tone at times. Anton acted callous and lacked respect towards the men, especially when they disagreed with him. Not the characteristic I would expect from an “alpha”male. Odi could have watched his language and Coach was the Best Role Model on display. Another great episode from HI! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@1111ScorpQn]

I can agree with that. Anton will definitely invoke the spirit of “beg to differ” in any debate. He seemed triggered almost the hold time.

[@coreythomas3633]

​@user-mg1gd5vw9xBLACK MEN why ya can't build community and protect ya family like WHITE MEN.. Why ya dont practice family structure like mexican men.. Why ya don't educate ya children like ,asain men.. Ya lack masculinity that the problem....

[@coreythomas3633]

​@user-mg1gd5vw9xBlack men why ya can't build community and protect ya family like White men.. Why ya dont practice family structure like mexican men.. Why ya don't educate ya children like ,asain men.. Ya lack masculinity that the problem....

[@Silhouette_1]

Anton has never labeled himself an “Alpha male”. That’s just how you perceive him

[@Lil08103]

​@Silhouette_1 if you call men betas and simps, which he does regularly, i think you implicitly buy into the framework of alpha / beta whether you openly self identify or not. and presumably he doesn't see himself on the simp or beta end of the spectrum, so it's kinda saying it without saying it. if the spectrum is broader than an alpha / beta dichotomy, i think he and others in the space have to do a better job of articulating it cause all i hear when i listen to these guys is false dichotomies: winner-loser, alpha-beta, modern/ 304s-traditional, etc...extremes with every little middle ground or complex grey.

[@Dr.Elaine1]

2:22:28. Thanks, Odi and Tysean for holding men accountable. “If you are gonna to talk about chastity, we gotta talk about abstinence. Tysean! 🔥🔥🔥

[@SAMack-xd2fn]

Black men are always held accountable, bw on the other hand...😂😂

[@nenajay3174]

I think more fathers were for the streets and mothers were doormats.

[@mauryspease]

Anton and Coach gave great game and perspectives 👌🏾