Poly vs Monogamous Couple DEBATE Is Polyamory A Sin & Is Monogamy Unrealistic

[@HardlyInitiated]

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[@lushcrowns]

God is not the author of confusion

[@jasminewillis4997]

But will allow it to further His purpose. He cause all things to work together for the good of them who love the lord and are the called according to His purpose. We spare ourselves lots of unnecessary troubles by obedience. When I hear these stories I think of Abraham/Sarah/Her Maiden, the war that’s been happening in the Middle East as a result of the confusion between who is the chosen one. David had war in his house, a son raped his half sister, the brother kills him, then wants to kill David and sends him into exile. It’s messy. It’s not a move for Gods people. Let the world do the world✊🏾💯

[@zetnodevol8457]

God is everything that keeps us alive and everything that un lives us all.

[@curtissartor9500]

Exactly

[@marthamaina9721]

❤❤❤

[@Superpius91]

​@@jasminewillis4997Exactly. You nail it.

[@stephaniegordon2689]

She said it loud and clear she's not hear to debate truth AMEN.

[@miriampamperedinpaper3366]

Marriage is God’s institution. Period. No debate necessary. Please and thank you to the First Lady. She came in on business!🥰

[@Jay-jb2vr]

Monogamy is only unrealistic is the person doesn't have self control

[@Talk2Me7]

Facts!!

[@shaylaparks17]

I can only imagine what/who the polygamous couple will run into in the future. Praying for them. They’re inviting so many different spirits into their lives.

[@rosehamilton2665]

Exactly the bible says he is not the author of confusion so am sorry can.t even think of sharing a man sorry

[@3DSuccess]

Listennnn, as I heard them explain, and definitely to each his own, I said this sounds so unstable.

[@1love847]

Polyamory, is not Polygamy. Please look up the definitions for there to be true understanding.

[@1love847]

​@@3DSuccessThe divorce rate in America is over 50%. What is more unstable than monogamy?

[@shaylaparks17]

@@1love847 are they both not involving having a relationship with MORE than one person? Purpose of the root “poly”.. & if I’m not mistaken, if you pay close attention , Carl mentioned most of his relationships are strictly platonic. (If you’re trying to point out nonsexual poly relationships) Their whole demeanor showed who they really were. It was a gimmick. Please do not be deceived.

[@SharmaineCook]

Team manogamy over here. As I watched this, I could clearly see which relationship was more confident and more peaceful. I hope others were paying attention. To God be the glory.

[@1love847]

Peaceful, the pastor and wife looked disconnected, border and didn't Crack a smile the whole time. If that's peace...I have a different understanding of peace.

[@TheVirgo92083]

@@1love847they weren’t feeling the other couple and the shade being thrown

[@SharmaineCook]

@@TheVirgo92083 absolutely. They were at peace. When God is the center, they couple don't have to pacify each other or sell the relationship. Confusion requires comfort. (Mm, my God, that went over somebody's head) God is not the author of confusion.

[@ninichic11]

@@1love847they laughed and smiled with each other mad times lol. If anything the shade that the poly couple was throwing at them was making them uncomfortable because they were being respectful.

[@ladyloveishere1838]

​@@1love847 the other couple is selling a scheme. Of course they will smile & rub her husband. Look at her husband closely when her other man came up. His jealousy peaked & the polygamy man spirit dont seem peaceful. Discernment can pick up on it & his wife so caught in this that she is acting happy bc it gives them attention for her to live a lifestyle. She is the brains of this scheme & her husband is a Beta who following his wife. Solomon wives destroyed him too. He also followed them by leaving God to worship his wives idol gods

[@curtissartor9500]

When it comes to Polgamy and polyamory lifestyles, I consistently hear people try to downplay the effect of sex. They say it really dosent have anything to do with sex and how they just want a village and they want to build an empire. What dosent make sense about that is if thats whats important they why does there need to be a title attached? Why couldn't this just be a group of friends that are close and help eachother out? You can build an empire with friends and start businesses with friends. Titles and sex don't have to have anything to do with this. You don't need to be between anybodys cheeks to build generational wealth. You don't need to be in the bed naked with other people to build community and partnership. In my opinion i wish people would just tell the truth which I believe to be that people want their cake and to have the ability to eat it to. People want sexual variety and the freedom to do so without having to sneak around and without the consequences of divorce. Why can't this be everything they claim it to be about without sex and titles if it doesn't have anything to do with sexual variety?

[@PolyPimps]

You are correct! And it's all of that too. Do you know how many women don't have orgasms whom are married?

[@anisjt]

THIS!!

[@R_U_Good]

It can be there are a few polyamorous couples (not all) that don't have sex at all but still cuddle and date. Kind of like if you're in a relationship and Christian and waiting until marriage to have sex and don't want children. That relationship isn't sex based at it's core. Like with any romantic relationship the option is there, but that isn't the focus. Especially when you consider how many asexual people choose to be polyamorous because they can get the close emotional connection and partnership without sex

[@anthonyyarborough4231]

A lot of friendships are stifled and are only allowed to be surface level because of the fear that you might appear to be cheating on your current monogamous relationship. When you take away that fear you can have real deep meaningful friendships that can be beneficial and healing in your life. But that can't exist in a monogamous ideology. Left feeling alone you end up cheating and then trust falls apart and that's why the divorce rate is where it is.

[@girlmeetskingdom]

Because they are full of it. It’s ALL ABOUT SEX. Idk why they are lying.

[@shakitamoorer2053]

The husband's face when Kenya's partner came on the screen said a lot to me. Facial expressions and body language speak louder than words.

[@ItsMsMal]

I noticed that too. It spoke louder than everything they’ve said. It also seems like Kenya slept with that second husband based on his body language also. I believe Kenya’s body language would have changed too had her husband’s other wife came in.

[@petracain6794]

Glad someone else noticed.

[@carmondawkins2202]

Yes his face said it all!!!!!

[@shondah.2195]

Facts!

[@jennifermcdaniel8673]

He had the same stone face on their show Seeking Brother Husband. On the show he didn't have other partners, just her. Also they don't have a sexual relationship anymore.

[@spacebar6020]

Noticed that when team poly was quoting statistics, they conveniently left out sexually transmitted infections/diseases from the conversation. There is a health crisis in the Black Community. We are disproportionately affected by AIDS and HIV and have been since they discovered this disease. How does having multiple partners combat this?

[@amorette23]

Their point is.....that if there is HONESTY and TRANSPARENCY and AUTHENTICITY, there is no need to sneak around and not being able to talk openly about sexual status....

[@tanyabeale4232]

That's so true the black community has health issues. But if we really pull the stats, we all would really know the truth that married, single, gay, etc, people are sleeping around with each other. Not only people who choose polyamory lifestyle. The real way the black community can improve if we all stop lying and just be truthful with each other.

[@mimij4341]

​@amorette23 really and you think that's going to combat the problem. As humans we are flawed. We LIE, steal, cheat, and a numerous of other sins. I'm not going to give another human that much trust with my life and safety.

[@chenanigans]

They also conveniently leave out *any* of the bad parts. Like they're over there talking like they're always on cloud 9 and never have any issues. As if polyamory is the magic bullet that fixed everything wrong with relationships. But that's simply not the case and never will be the case because humans have natural and normal human emotions such as levels of jealousy, feeling insecure, anxiety, fear, etc. As a friend of many gays, of which most practice open relationships and open marriages, I can tell you my one friend him and his husband practiced in this lifestyle for years. It was all rainbows and butterflies at first until my friend decided he didn't want other people in their relationship anymore. But the other side still wanted it and now what do you do? It affected him so badly that his husband wouldn't stop seeing other people that he started drinking heavily and ended up checking himself into a rehab center. I'll never forget the day. I got a call from him in there. It's real, man. Careful what you ask for.

[@FalaqX]

Poly couples have LESS stds. If a poly man has an issue with a condom breaking then he won't have sex with anyone until he gets tested. If a monogamous husband cheats & the condom breaks, he CAN'T not have sex with his wife the next day.

[@DiedraYCole]

Proud of my cousin, Pastor Edwards and his Queen and how they represented. I'm sure God is well pleased. 🙏🏾

[@vivianwebber2001]

That spirit of the people that married them attached itself to them. Because they admitted they started off monogamous but then she started having dreams...cast down every imagination that exhaults a itself against the knowledge of God....they not even aware that they are under a curse

[@LomoArt.]

Such a great point! Some people don’t realize how much the spirit realm affects this physical one.

[@nettab2]

My exact thought as well.

[@anthonyyarborough4231]

He said they were always open to other people's beliefs, he only included that information to show that they weren't close minded. They supported others beliefs even though they practiced monogamy for a long time.

[@flydollronda1926]

⁠@@anthonyyarborough4231so why did they practice monogamy for so long ??? 🧐

[@indiawood19]

That couple that married them planted that seed of poly and it grew for the worst. Fyi I as a believer in Christ agreed with some of there views ...they were valid. Its just the multiple I cant be apart of.

[@nigell.8705]

To the men considering polyamory, remember that you are the foundation to the family, so God is going to hold each of us accountable. Don't give in to this. As Dr. Myles Munroe beautifully stated, "Purpose is the key to fulfilment, purpose is found in the mind of the creator of a thing, when purpose isn't known or understood it will be abused."

[@reliza93]

Your comment should be pinned!!!

[@bosstravels36251]

Amen brother ❤❤❤❤

[@chayilevents7979]

Thanks for sharing your perspective on polyamory BUT it's a Big "NO" for me. TeamChrist

[@moishacurry4611]

Come on girl! #TeamChrist4Life

[@Ldogg247]

🤣 Christ is Teampoly.

[@3DSuccess]

Same. It's a NO for me

[@DMMBX3]

Forever and Amen, sis.

[@magnificent_kimberly]

also a HUGE NO for me. #TeamChrist4Ever

[@td7868]

A relationship with God can fill in the empty spaces that we are seeking in other people. Adam was whole with God before Eve showed up. The vertical relationship (God) makes the horizontal relationship (spouse) blessed. Awesome show!

[@mishawilliams4319]

GOD IS NOT THE AUTHOR OF CONFUSION 🙏🏽

[@zetnodevol8457]

God is, everything that u can understand and everything that you cannot fathom

[@mrembo777]

Amen 💯

[@LMAO-Entertainment]

how do you know?

[@LMAO-Entertainment]

@@zetnodevol8457 how do you know?

[@ajjj013109]

The purpose of marriage is to show the same love that Christ showed for us: Unconditional love.

[@sweetxjc]

This sister ❤❤

[@tehutizephaniah2627]

People where getting married long before the idea of Jesus Christ came along.

[@LMAO-Entertainment]

no the purpose of marriage is so if you impregnate a woman you're responsible.

[@morganlloyd7323]

Teach!!!

[@PumpkinPie1985]

I missed the rest of the show. But man, this was such a reflection of how much we truly need God, Jesus,and the Holy Spirit!! Great show. Great panel ❤

[@shondah.2195]

Excellent point and definitely an aspect that was not fully delved into during the discussion. How many men would be okay with their Wife's falling under the authority of another man or 2nd, 3rd , 4th husband?

[@mrembo777]

💯

[@PumpkinPie1985]

@@shondah.2195 I don't see how anyone would truly be ok with that.

[@marthamaina9721]

absolutely 💯🤗

[@morganlloyd7323]

Amen and Amen

[@DarraCherieTV]

I would like to hear the conversation pastor and First Lady had after they got off this live🤣🤣🙏🏽🙏🏽 I love that they stood on the word throughout this interview and made great points.🙏🏽 Spiritual warfare is REAL. People have to wake up. “Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.” - Galatians 5:24

[@kiararolanda]

Right! Because the looks they were exchanging said it all! 😂

[@philw9787]

Probably not much, just pray for them. Poly couple being doing this long time.

[@el3ase]

Me too!!! I know it was good! 🍿😂

[@piscespisces6]

People hate when God is brought into the conversation because they know they can’t win.

[@alekamurphy1625]

Is not God it's the white man's Bible when you know there is no need to argue about it

[@narobigaines5072]

@@alekamurphy1625 Bingo

[@crespeakslife]

Its easy to run away thats why!

[@brandonpeacenlove4375]

No it's actually people know when religion or politics brought into something people are stubborn and nobody can for a fact prove the other person wrong

[@kenofken9458]

Your god. Not mine.

[@SierraShear]

Whew!!! I wasn’t sure I was gonna be able to stomach this one, but it was an AMAZING Round Table! At the end of the day, the Word of God WILL Prevail! 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾

[@kenjones8139]

Thank you guys for bringing a variety of guests and topics. PLEASE bring more traditional married and committed couples. My wife and I have been married for 28 1/2 years!🙌🏽

[@Sugarchaela1]

Congratulations ❤️

[@ariest5636]

The child of poly really spoke a word. My friend grew up that way and all the girls are damaged and the boys are completely monogamous 💯

[@888hereandnow]

"because they refuse to love & accept The Truth that would save them, they believed lies 2 Thessalonions 2:10-12

[@ariest5636]

Dishonesty is what destroys relationships 💯

[@morganlloyd7323]

And so does having soulties with multiple people at the same time.

[@ariest5636]

@morganlloyd7323 absolutely correct. It's disheartening how so many people accept Sodom and Gomorrah as reality today.

[@DaniSoCali]

Exactly this! I liked what that man said. Kenya and Carl were addressing the lack of integrity & transparency in any style of marriage. They looked and sounded positive and hopeful the entire debate.

[@dredugan6893]

People are so stuck on the sex aspect. The part that bothers me even more is my wife following another mans lead and advice. At that moment my marriage is over!!

[@LomoArt.]

Great point! What happens to the structure of the household when there are multiple houses?? 🤔

[@MsJiJi23]

Good point!

[@chenanigans]

​​@@LomoArt.Right and all the issues that come with dysfunctional households. Just cuz they're polly doesn't mean they're immune to the same issues monogamous couples have. Like my last boyfriend who had a severe drinking and gambling and money spending problem. Could you imagine having two husbands to deal with that had those issues and messing up your financial stability. Oh what about two women who don't agree on the way you should raise children? Maybe one being a gentle parent and one being a spare the rod spoil the child parent yet they are supposed to parent each other's children 🤔 People can hardly hardly ever agree on things in one relationship and it takes significant compromise and sacrifice just to make one relationship work nonetheless, bringing in multiple people into the relationship and children and households.

[@chrissyj8920]

Following his lead in what aspect? When your friend gives you advice and you share it with your wife is that not the same . When women work and are under the leadership of a man does that bother you? The thing is if the wife had another husband I’m sure she would have the sense to choose partners that do not conflict with her community. That’s chaotic in any aspect. Likewise if her friends or parents conflict with her community I’d hope they are checked or cut off too. It’s simple imo 😅.

[@IndigoWisdom1]

Makes sense.

[@3DSuccess]

Listen when he said how can God give a decree and not equip us to fulfill it! Yesss

[@JamesEdwardsMMC]

So many people missed that

[@mrssheilasworldoffuninspir1919]

BIG NO!! One Man & One Woman periodtt!! Awesome debate and discussion!!!

[@moishacurry4611]

PERIOD!

[@FalaqX]

?? But over 50% of marriages end in divorce. Periodt

[@twill387]

That has never worked...most men desire more than one woman.. maybe not to marry but definitely for sex...always been that way.

[@NuiFitness]

@@twill387 yup same with women. Most women would want another man. For sex, for more resources, or for an amazing friendship

[@sunshine2343able]

Thanks! This segment was so good! I watched it twice. I love the way the Pastor and his wife was kicking the devil behind!! It’s very obvious that the people in that type of relationships are emotionally unavailable people!!

[@charlenerobinson2965]

Her husband didn’t look genuinely happy about Kenya’s partner calling in.

[@CurtisJackson-ox5ro]

Facts

[@ShefNesa]

Yeeeeeees I just wrote this JEALOUSY AND UNCOMFORTABLE ALLLLLL OVER HIS FACE

[@rhondalipkin985]

I was thinking that!

[@chynadoll77cyn59]

Facts I saw that too, looked very uncomfortable.

[@evaoliveira8579]

I agree. Actually, I think he looked miserable for most of the time. And she was being really extra.

[@demetria7076]

Oh my Lord! We are doing everything that we are big and bad enough to do. You wonder why the world is so violent, insensitive, suicidal, filled with anxiety, and down right ludicrous. The devil always makes sin look enticing. Its wrong.

[@silkxo]

Evil will be called good and good evil Isiah 5:20.

[@1love847]

Confirming to a morale standard that most couples today fail at, is delusional and dishonest. Having an ideal is ok but monogamy is a social construct imposed by the Bible. The Bible was written by men, for men, in order to control their lack of discipline in society. God is not the issue. Man controlling other men is the main purpose of the Bible.

[@demetria7076]

@@silkxo Yes

[@bosstravels36251]

​@@silkxoAmen

[@jasminewillis4997]

First Lady heavy in that word tho🫡. Pastor have a powerhouse helpmate wife🔥✊🏾

[@Superpius91]

It's obvious the two marriages are being run by the women. The pastor's wife is still with him because she controls him.

[@Christian900]

Pastor Edwards kills it every episode

[@shimba_]

With all due respect to the poly family, we Africans do not practice polyamory as it was described as part of "African culture." This is actually contrary to our culture across Africa! We do not embrace confusion in our families despite our imperfections. That is a culture created in YOUR family tree like many others and we respect you for walking that path and being true to yourselves. 🙏🏾

[@LomoArt.]

Preach 🙌🏾

[@IndigoWisdom1]

There is a huge difference between PolyAmory and Polygamy, for sure. 👌🏾

[@Moonshine-d5i]

If a Muslim man has four wives, is he practising Polyamari?

[@XFiles4]

Most African women that I know, who were raised in Africa and moved to America, don’t like African men nor do they want to marry y’all because of traditional polygamy.

[@newtendai]

Very true. I am African and agree with you.

[@desimo9127]

Kenya's spirit was challenged this night. You can tell she isn't used to that.

[@nenajay3174]

Authenticity is always the goal, however that does NOT mean that every thought/feeling/desire is ok. Because we are imperfect beings, we have thoughts and desires that are also imperfect. We aren’t supposed to act on every desire. If that was the case, drugs, pedophilia, overeating junk food, lying, cheating, acts of violence…those things would be permissible. Those things may feel good to some, but would it be cool in the name of authenticity to express those desires to your partner and not expect limitations? There are rules and limits for a reason-to prevent chaos and destruction.

[@daphney_elaine]

The polyamorous couple is insinuating that everyone who practices monogamy desire to be with “other people” within their relationship. That is not true! It’s fair to say that monogamous ppl find others attractive from time to time, but that doesn’t mean that they automatically desire to sleep and be in relationship with them!

[@djdspence]

Yall be cheating 😂

[@danhilarious1395]

As a high value man I honestly think bout sleeping with fine chicks all the time…it’s only a matter of time before I get them cheeks married or not

[@sweetxjc]

@@djdspencethe cheating has very little to do with “desiring other people” but often feeling neglected, but they do prefer their partner.

[@focused0002]

You are correct...at least not the women

[@junebug120]

Let's be real. By in large - they do!

[@naturallyanna153]

Body language is body languageing!!! The body doesn’t lie

[@missionbasedastrology1013]

You can tell who leads the relationship but the first 12 minutes, the poly couple the woman spoke first and the monogamous couple the man spoke first!

[@happywomb7464]

That’s a good thing

[@almondeyes210]

Noticed that too

[@gogoldiego]

I didn't see that. Some men are more reserve. My husband and I are monogamous, and he is not really a talker as I am. The same as my grandparents. My grandmother spoke the most, and my grandfather was quiet. They were true believers in the Christian faith and highly respected in their community.

[@Fashionmix52]

Good observation.

[@DaniSoCali]

@@gogoldiego exactly! Ppl are swearing they’re federal agents & body language specialists. They saw personality differences & translated it into division & power struggle. How they get all that? Kenya is more extroverted & spicy. Her husband isn’t that way. They balance each other!!

[@Ser.gio_Official]

Demons come also in dreams. This woman talking about she dreamed about her current second husband ....demons brought confusion in their head by dreams is how I see it listening to this poly.... couple 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@cherryblossom6702]

Exactly a familiar spirit came in the form of that man to have sex with her in her dreams. That opened the door to that. 2 Corinthians 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

[@stormship1647]

Exactly

[@laraeeverythinginbetween4148]

Speak. I said the same thing.

[@Lakeshahahoward6465]

Monogamy couple preach!!! God knew to put the two of you together because y'all are standing strong! I come into agreement with everything y'all have said.

[@The_Love_Clinic]

Why get married without the commitment 😂‼️ They may as well be single lol They doing what they want anyway‼️

[@IndigoWisdom1]

I think they are defining the Commitment as to never break up or divorce one another, aka commitment to the relationship(s)/marriage itself.

[@1love847]

There is a commitment just not on terms of false understanding of monogamy which only those who have never had sex with another person in life can uphold.

[@tt4759]

This part I really can’t understand. Like just date..

[@multifinn]

I'm not arguing for either path at this moment, but doesn't it seem like it would take MORE commitment to practice polyamory than less - just off numbers? Now there's at least two people to honor, respect, listen too, contribute to, protect, pay for, pray for, etc. This is all in addition to your own commitment to self-care. If everyone you've chose to take care of is genuinely happy/satisfied/fulfilled - including yourself, where is the commitment missing? Haven't you instead multiplied the commitment?

[@sweetxjc]

@@multifinnyou definitely haven’t. People in poly relationships aren’t giving equal to each partner. Also to commit to more people you have to commit less to the other person because you have less time in the day for them. You’re spreading yourself thin and don’t get me started if you add kids to that mess.

[@nikki7168]

The poly man doesn't even look like he likes his wife. She is affectionate but his body language screams closed off because this dynamic brings him no honor.

[@favoredhandsofjudah4932]

I said the same thing. She is trying to save face. Why are you holding his arm. They putting on a show.

[@patricefeanny497]

The poly couple, as much as that man says he's comfortable, When her partner came on, His Body PHYSICALLY GOT UNCOMFORTABLE. and it only became a topic of exploration when HE found himself attracted to someone else. I hope they both get free from the subtle dilutions they have embraced. God bless all the couples!!!

[@donishaconley7905]

I was looking for this comment right here 💯 💯

[@geraldinemichel5195]

I noticed the same thing ! Meanwhile, she was applauding and cheering. 🥴

[@camillec18]

Peeped this too🫠

[@alyssawesley3137]

I seen the same thing

[@tashacrews5372]

I NOTICED IT.

[@TheSoulePurposePodcast]

I would love to see Pastor James & Pastor Tiff to be on a separate show to talk about dating in this generation. As far as Poly vs. Monogamy, Having Kenya and Carl on with a couple who now disagree with poly life would be a more fair debate. I normally never comment but this was a good one!

[@jasminewillis4997]

I know poly ain’t for me cause honey the thought trouble my spirit. When I first started dating this might have been a thing but having experienced life, I’m sad I didn’t wait until I found my mate to experience intimacy. Having so many partners has really confused the order and created soul ties.

[@tashacrews5372]

@patricefeanny497 I NOTICED .He did NOT feel comfortable when the other gentleman came on and said that he was the extra husband. His body language shifted!!!!

[@Montrail.101]

It's normal to feel a connection towards other ppl. But it's the sacrifice we make to be one. The boundaries you have with marriage. It's all just temptation you have to avoid.

[@andria234]

That's YOUR rules of marriage. The two people in the marriage decide what the rules of their marriage is

[@Montrail.101]

@@andria234 always someone with no pic. First off I dont make the rules about marriage. It's either God rules or government rules. If there is rules I'm going to follow it's God and not man or my own. Now my opinion is mine. And yall just low key hoes trying to build lego communities 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@Sandra-jc2fs]

@@andria234that’s the rule OF marriage 😊

[@andria234]

@Sandra-jc2fs I dunno what comprehension issues you have. But the rules of marriage are defined by the people in that marriage. The LAW of marriage is the legal documentation of the union.

[@Marriageclass]

God's word is eternal and it is not meant to be manipulated or tweaked to fit your purpose/agenda. The interesting thing about God is, that you are allowed to make choices freely.

[@chaplainayeshakreutz7698]

The enemy of our soul definitely makes sin look and sound good!

[@teecee1678]

It doesn't look or sound good at all. You can see there is no depth to their marriage, look at their body language.

[@caitlinsoliman1658]

There was so much polygamy in the old testament Christians ignore. Not that it was prescribed.

[@deborahdonald9323]

@@caitlinsoliman1658the sons of God came down to the daughters of men and too as many wives as they wanted. It all comes from somewhere but doesn’t mean it’s what God allows.

[@1hunnitvlogs772]

@@caitlinsoliman1658you also see how it destroyed them

[@Allthingsjohnette]

Not gon lie I lovvvveee pastor delivery!!! He literally stand on business for God 😅

[@funkemcamarita4888]

Lord am grateful for my salvation,My people perish because of lack of knowledge

[@silkxo]

Hosea 4:6

[@1love847]

Your people don't need your judgement.

[@lhurdle87]

Why would anyone want to have so many personalities in their space unless it's about the flesh? That's too draining.

[@tashaydie2673]

If you have to be careful with family friends co workers strangers protecting your energy from ppl you telling me your sleeping with ppl and think 🤔 the most intimate thing you can do as a human … when it comes to this conversation I always say let’s be logically and bring facts it does not logically make sense why ppl say they do it except for it’s just what they want to do and I have no problem with that I’m just tired of the conversation of like this is what we are really suppose to be doing this is a ( if it works for you it works for you if it don’t it don’t ) thing

[@enlighteneddominatrixso]

@@lhurdle87 When you realize all is you that shifts

[@vibebeautiful1805]

Cmon Pastor & Lady Edwards! I don’t need theory because I have an experience!! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@shondajohnson4218]

Poly is confusing, and my brain can't even comprehend all the definitions they came up with.

[@SupremelyBeautiful]

😂😂😂 same I was like what😂

[@geoffreywright9856]

Nothing is new under the Sun concerning God. We will push whatever agenda we want… BUT God’s Word will forever be the same from generation to generation.

[@The_Love_Clinic]

4 HUSBANDS‼️ 2 live in husbands‼️ I never wanted to be a fly on a wall so bad! Wow

[@MariahBethea]

😂😂😂😂

[@jzloveinfinite]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Rightbrainedboricua]

She winning in life so I can't hate on her

[@Dominiquebroom]

She seems to have a seductive personality

[@TM-se5jf]

​@@RightbrainedboricuaWinning what exactly. Getting her body pounded by different penises simultaneously is Winning now?

[@kenjones8139]

”In those days there was no king in Israel: every man did that which was right in his own eyes.“ ‭‭Judges‬ ‭21‬:‭25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

[@3DSuccess]

I would find it hard to allow someone with two wives and a girlfriend or four husbands to be my mentor and teach me how to resist urges to be with other people!

[@nettab2]

👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@Foreverdensword]

Pretty much

[@Fashionmix52]

They won’t be teaching me anything .

[@Elove450]

me either

[@evaoliveira8579]

Exactly. That would be the blind leading the blind right off a cliff.

[@preciousolea]

This is an exact example of what it looks like to call evil “good”. Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

[@dariusmcintosh8748]

Basically she was ready to cheat … and said well instead of you having to cheat we can open this marriage up ! Lol 😂 Smdh

[@ForeverCryssy]

This was an amazing conversation! Love how pastor describes the spirit, soul, and body. 🙌🏾

[@JamesEdwardsMMC]

Check out my interview with them about Soul Ties! I’m sure you will enjoy it

[@ForeverCryssy]

@@JamesEdwardsMMC all caught up! You guys are a gift. Thanks for working in your purpose and being passionate about it as well.

[@mimij4341]

That husband didn't crack one smile. This ain't it.

[@DeshaunExitRealty]

Most married men don't smile much.

[@teecee1678]

It depends on what type of married men you are exposed to. Watch Tony Gaskins, RC Blakes, Jerry Flowers, Todd Mullins, John Lindell, Craig Groeschel and I can list many more if needed. I have been blessed once I changed my circle and the environments i was in to be surrounded by healthy monogamous marriages where both husband and wives smile quite often.

[@jesilynsylvia9665]

He smiled when her other partner popped up. Then he got serious lol

[@msaverielle]

Sometimes poison is wrapped in a beautiful package.

[@Christian900]

The point of marriage is to be monogamous So why are they married just to be non-monogamous ? Mind as well stay single

[@FalaqX]

The point of marriage is monogamous? Says who

[@Rightbrainedboricua]

You clearly need to learn about life more

[@IndigoWisdom1]

In some societies, yes. Not all.

[@Christian900]

@@Rightbrainedboricua you clearly need Jesus Christ

[@icycici6191]

​@@Rightbrainedboricua You don't spare no one!!! 😅😂

[@nigell.8705]

When Adam was created, he was given 6 things. 1. God's image 2. Gods presence 3. Mandate to have dominion 4. Duty to protect 5. Innate ability and mandate to be productive and when Eve came he was given the role to 6. Teach We as men need to remember these things. This is our purpose and we need all 6 things to have the key to fulfillment in life.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

I always have felt, that people should just do what truly works for them. What other couples decide to do doesn’t affect me.💯

[@zagarlotdeneus7607]

That’s being irresponsible what others do may not effect you now or directly but sooner or later it will effect you or your children, because they are preaching it . The fools increase when the wise remain silent

[@Wonderwoman79G]

People do this and it affects their children.

[@jzloveinfinite]

RIGHT!!!

[@R_U_Good]

@@zagarlotdeneus7607 their children are doing fine.... Their daughter is also polyamorous and rather successful. Also they're studies on this topic... Your children do just as well as any other monogamous couple. They basically found out that children just needed supportive adult figures in their life. This is also true in single family homes where an uncle/aunt or grandparent stepped up to be the secure attachment figure

[@IndigoWisdom1]

@@zagarlotdeneus7607 It's actually the definition of being Responsible. Leading by example is all you can't do you Cannot control others.

[@joymacasieb9540]

Wow I have to honestly say this has been my favorite show of all 2024 so far. I have had polyamorous tendencies and practice them for about a decade now but I grew up in the church. Watching this and hearing both sides, I found myself siding with the pastors, because my flesh is one thing but my spirit knows the truth but it was eye-opening and after watching I can see how selfish I’ve been and how I’ve made it about my own desires. This episode has help me clarify and reminding me of who I am, a daughter of the most high king the Lord Jesus Christ, and now my prayer is change me Lord, I know that I need to try to do the work to get back to you serving the Lord and not myself. Thank you for everyone who made this episode possible!❤

[@jesilynsylvia9665]

This comment is awesome! I love that you watched and learned!!

[@joymacasieb9540]

@ Amen! 9 months later and I’m 2 months celibate and on fire for God again ❣️👏🙏🙌To God be the glory❣️

[@petracain6794]

The way i submit my life to the holy spirit. No matter how intelligently you put it. I still disagree with that gluttonous lifestyle call polyamory.

[@IndigoWisdom1]

Some of the biggest terrible Non-stop eaters and gluttons I know are Christian though 😭 🍗 🍟 🍔 . This should really not be a who's spirituality or relationship with God is better debate. It should be a which relationship style works and is best and which do you prefer? Hiding behind the bible but cheating in the church does No one any good. Just because these people admit and confess their lifestyle doesn't mean those who claim Monogamy or biblical are actually Living it.

[@kenofken9458]

So disagree. That's your right. For those of us who are poly, it's our right not to care about whether you agree with our existence. We don't need your approval or permission just as you don't need ours to live the way you want to.

[@petracain6794]

I understand your perspective and it is definitely your choice. I know the church is jacked up, but as for me and my house, we will stand on the principles of the bible. Christians who call on the name of the lord and live however they want will give an account, and on that day it might be depart from me I know u not or as the bible say I give u over to your reprobate mind.

[@IndigoWisdom1]

@@petracain6794 Marriage (according to the Bible and many cultures) was meant to be had between two Virgins. The gluttony is all over. It's easy to say I'm ready to repent and stop being a sexual glutton after you've eaten the entire buffet. Easy to say no more ice cream when you've tried all 31 Flavors 😂 Equally easy to default to a better man after a humiliating divorce (also not Biblical). Easy (trauma-based) decision. But how many people are truly sticking to the script, not just out of convenience or folly of poor decisions/regret from STDs and single motherhood/post-hoedome phases? Easy to mask shame with pseudo-repentance. How about roll with God from Day 1 like he's rolled for you since Day 1. Now THAT's true and Proven loyalty, beyond the words and circumstances. Gotta remove the mote from your own eye. If you can see the speck in someone else's better/bigger than the speck appears as a mote in yours'- then the accountability ain't there.

[@leonajackson6093]

@@IndigoWisdom1 Girl you under every single comment, literally! Like what exact points are you trying to make? Give it a rest, trying to stir up your own bitterness in these comment sections. God bless your heart!

[@blkjzz411]

Her body language speakers volumes. Literally hanging on to her husband. He on the other appears to be devoid of emotions. No hate or shade, just an observation.

[@CookWithStephh]

I seen the same

[@sade0131]

She’s giving witch vibes.

[@marshathompson9580]

I see that too

[@MarjyGTV]

Yes I noticed it too and made me uncomfortable the way shes clinging on so tight and keep rubbing him. Trying to soothe his ego so that he don't feel insecure. So inauthentic

[@imjade1520]

Jezebel spirit

[@jasminewillis4997]

1:31:08 sis this is definitely a Christian conversation because the behavior is going against the arrangement that is ordained and considered a safe space to have a marriage within

[@CandraWard]

I feel like Kenya is the leader of the marriage. I see the husband a little uncomfortable at times. Especially when the other partner came on talking. When you are under the influence of spiritual strongholds you’re blind. I pray that their eyes open soon.

[@shaylaparks17]

The poly relationship is reminding me of the saying … how you get them is how you lose him. Instead of her getting a divorce she decided to conform to his ways. The same way he met her in college, (in a relationship ) & still pursued her is the same way he is now. Bc why would you decide to start off your marriage for twelve years monogamous? Meaning you believed in that… now you’re polygamous. Sounds like it was his idea 💡 or vice versa … But I’m only 20 minutes in. Let me finish

[@MariahBethea]

This!!!

[@LomoArt.]

Ohhhhh so well said!! I look forward to seeing if your perspective will shift after you finish but I truly doubt it.

[@anthonyyarborough4231]

You misheard the introduction lol his friend was trying to court her but was in a relationship, she checked him, and his friend back peddled and said, naw I was just trying to introduce you to Carl.. (her now husband). They were committed for a long time and after he had the same feelings she did (love for someone outside of the marriage) she decided that they both should be able to have the freedom to experience love outside of the marriage. If you listen close, he said he wasn't down. He didn't want her to have other men but he actually came around to her view.

[@shaylaparks17]

@@anthonyyarborough4231 ok, I definitely misheard the first portion. But to the second part. yes, I heard that part after I got past the 20 minutes. Hence why I said “I’m only 20 minutes in let me finish watching”. Now that I watched it, I can tell she is the reasoning behind all this. & watching her husband sit there while her other husband appeared on the screen, Carl looked completely uncomfortable & his whole demeanor changed. Looks like he still isn’t down with the idea and is just going with it to “save” his marriage.

[@candacieamsterdam4857]

Is it manogamy that casuse all divorce or is it lack of maturity, selfishness lack of self control and lack of integrity

[@tamecawilson7267]

I think THIS is probably how God feels about us putting other people/things on the same level as HIM. When he said put NO OTHER GOD (Anything we Love more than God) BEFORE ME. Sad world we live in where this is ok. Praying for them( the poly couple)and others who think like them

[@SammyFavoured]

Polygamy it’s true symbolism idolism idol worship

[@emunahbatyah6775]

Why can't there still be help in the community without sharing partners? Supporting the community, building the community is great, but why do you have to share partners or have multiple relationships to do that. God structure is building the church with our different tools, skills and abilities that work well with others. You can help the community and be one man and one woman.

[@IndigoWisdom1]

There can! They literally said they are not trying to enforce their lifestyle onto anyone and actively discourage people they feel lack the skillsets or readiness. For me, I would love to see more Christians live what they preach. No sex before marriage. No out of wed pregnancy, no cheating and no Divorce or back to back multiple marriages (same as Poly to me if vows were broken). Start there. Basics.

[@latoya87lr]

witches and warlocks it really getting out of hand

[@morganlloyd7323]

My thoughts exactly. You can see the demons all over Kenya. satan is spewing out of her mouth freely -trying to sell the filth of their sins and cult. Carl covers his up better, but he's full of demons too. Righteousness doesn't have to be sold - it speaks for itself.

[@aywill1026]

Lookin like Jeezy and Ahab....

[@dkgnew]

Most (many) ppl can’t even deal with their spouse having even a “friend” of the opposite sex….that part is the most significant thing the poly couple stated. We should be able to have community without everything being sex.

[@djnobeva]

Because many of our romantic relationships are ego-driven. It takes a lot of emotional maturity to discuss our desires that conflict with socially acceptable Christian values.

[@he6153]

Wisdom dictates that the flesh is weak, so its best to avoid areas that will get you in sin just like you avoid certain locations because you can be drugged, killed or kidnapped.

[@MrsMcCraney23]

Respectfully you can build a loving community and still be committed in monogamy. I think I would respect the poly pov more if they were genuinely honest about the fact that they want more than just one sexual partner without the responsibility of commitment instead of faking as if they don’t care about the sexual aspect that comes with that lifestyle.

[@kenofken9458]

That's a very long winded way to say you know nothing about polyamory.

[@BABBALUCCI315]

Glad you mentioned this because I suspected alot of CAP about sexual desires for others not being a priority

[@jesilynsylvia9665]

​@@kenofken9458🤦🏾‍♀️

[@ms.acbeautiful]

“A real encounter with God.” Monogamy in a nutshell. ✊🏽🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@Not_A_Hopeless_Romantic]

1:32:27 can we speak on how Kendra’s partner made her first husband very uncomfortable? There is clear jealousy in the husband’s face. If you want a peaceful life, this isn’t the way to do it 😂

[@Not_A_Hopeless_Romantic]

@@jerseygirltraeRIGHT! He doesn’t like his wife being with another man. He’s a liar!

[@jacquelinealaine]

Kenya gives off Jezebel controlling vibes

[@godsmissionministry.6224]

Jezebel and Ahab.

[@caseieholbert6269]

Facts its on her heavy.

[@evangeline1983]

She’s loud and overbearing because she knows she’s wrong.

[@sistalarrissa]

EXACTLY!!! That Jezebel persuasive spirit wants total control and authority…whew!!! My spirit was vexed; I heard enough; it was not necessary to watch till the end…my God put me to sleep. The “nerve of the world”. We as God’s ambassadors got to be just as bold. Grace & Truth prevailed…hallelujah ✝️❤️🙏🏾🤗🩸💨

[@ziluojaiah8129]

No she dosent

[@tonisanders7017]

I consider myself to be an open-minded person. However polyamorous relationships is a difficult concept to for me to wrap my mind around. It seems like a legitimate way to be live a single life while attempting to be married.

[@bettytv4730]

Hi HI, thanks for the great work. I am Betty in 🇫🇮 Finland. Your podcast has been a blessing to my life. I have learnt alot from here. God richly bless you and take you to levels you have never imagined❤.

[@kimmiecroc]

It seems like everyone that came on the screen was poly and knew the couple that was. That in itself was not a fair poll on the screen. That lady KNEW EVERY MAN that came on that screen.

[@IndigoWisdom1]

Btw, Ya'll are excellent discussion Moderators! Keep up the great works!! ❤❤❤ 👏🏽

[@Sariah07]

I’m so very proud of y’all progress in the faith and more faith based topics ..

[@jasminewillis4997]

1:30:08 but a follower of Christ can’t just put down their assignment to follow their desire. In fact we’re to bring those things under the subjection of the mighty hand of God. That’s why we wrestle and war in the spirit to fight against those things. Lust is one. Anger is another. Jealousy. Just to name a few.

[@silkxo]

Ephesians 6:12

[@RayCW3]

❤🙏🏾 AMEN!!! Spoken well.

[@kimberlywright4988]

Monogamy- the state of being married to one person at a time.

[@Steph2da]

This was a great show. I agree with the Pastor’s wife about being able to come on the show and have respect for each other’s beliefs. This was golden :)

[@dw9054]

People are either not considering or underestimating the power of spiritual warfare. Being married by someone engaged in poly, being open to it invited those spirits into their new marriage. Over time that was introduced to them thru her “feelings”. To each their own, basing who we think we are on feelings will lead to alllll kinds of trouble. Truth is that spirit should’ve been cast down not embraced.

[@1love847]

We are all inspired by feelings. Don't act like feelings are sinful too when they are God Given and designed.

[@curtissartor9500]

Poly wife said when they are looking for a partner they arnt looking for somebody to have sex with because that would be ridiculous. They are looking to solve relational concerns and they are looking to see what sed person can being to the table. BUT YOUR ALSO SLEEPING WITH THEM AND HAVING THEM AS BOYFRIENDS AND HUSBAND'S 😂 WHAT A CONFUSED WOMEN 🤣🤦🏾‍♂️

[@dkgnew]

Exactly, I have lots of lady friends… I don’t call them GFs, and I am not sleeping with them etc. but I truly love them as I would any sister/friend!

[@ceoproductions6612]

Just sitting here saying “ but you don’t need them as a partner to achieve that!”

[@JaeAllDay777]

I enjoyed both couples .. but as a monogamous person I would’ve appreciated a stronger couple to add to the conversation versus hiding behind Jesus 70% of their responses .. or please add an ADDITIONAL couple who is able to speak to the topic directly

[@susiq1121]

Just read the CDC and the STI statistics especially in the black community. Blacks have the most STIs in the nation yet under 14% of the nation's population. Let's not get into broken families and abortion rates. Perhaps why there's so many undisciplined males out here cuz they had no men in their life.

[@flydollronda1926]

hiding behind Jesus? The center of marriage is Christ…how can they speak on marriage without God at the center…it’s fundamental…as they clearly articulated….you want them to use the worlds “wisdom” on a Godly principle? Impossible.

[@IndigoWisdom1]

Same. I'm team Monogamy. Both couples had spiritual reasons but I wanted to hear the Monogamous wife choose her husband not because she has a terrible previous marriage or because she doesn't have time for other men because they're trying to pick out what to eat for dinner 🫤 I wanted to hear more of what they LOVE and UNDERSTAND about monogamy even if it is from why they understand their Creator to want this For them. I didn't hear that outside of just repeating verses. Good point! 🙏🏾

[@NaturaylMystic]

That’s a whole fact … a love for one another and a personal relationship with yourself as well…

[@IndigoWisdom1]

Many married men and women are already Poly, (their wife or husband just don't know that). 😅

[@tanyabeale4232]

Facts, and that's the truth of it all. I don't understand for the life of me why these people in the comment section are not keeping it real, and most of them are probably cheaters themselves.

[@IndigoWisdom1]

@@tanyabeale4232 It's a key factor.

[@mondalesmith86]

Facts!

[@danhilarious1395]

I’m not proud of it but I’ve slept with several “happy wives” its terrible but honestly women are only loyal to thier feelings choose wisely fellas

[@Paulatics]

Yes but the problem is communication. If people were honest with themselves then they could work through issues regardless of mono or poly...

[@Lakeshahahoward6465]

I love this monogamy couple!! God bless your union

[@tiffanyjay20]

Carl's face and body language (when Mister called in) killed their whole argument... in less than 10 seconds. But carry on, ya'll.

[@reliza93]

😂😂😂😂😂 that part!

[@kenjones8139]

Yes Ryan! Your Spirituality and morals dictate what you believe!

[@Odinmama92]

(1:43:28) “you cannot possess people, touch can only experience them”. AMEN. Thank you beautiful King.

[@Christian900]

2:03:07, Wow Pastor Edwards said this so true The battles of Beliefs system will collide when both practices try to come together Same with a man and woman belief system in a relationship, eventually it will your beliefs and value system will clash

[@3DSuccess]

It could be just me, but the spirit of the first husband seemed to wane when the surprise partner of Kenya showed up.

[@MrBigkel15]

GREAT JOB PASTOR AND WIFE, Yall held that thang down and did NOT compromise on MARRIAGE!!💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@victoriamonet1117]

Polyamory is not realistic. I have tried it. If you don’t think people can do monogamy, polyamory is twice as worse. Polyamory will not stop infidelity. It will not create trust. It will just be three times is worse. I have seen it up close in person. My closest friends are in the lifestyle. All it is is drama that should be on reality television. It’s messy, they still cheat, they still lie, they still sleep around. It’s like a person that’s not able to control their eating at home. Going to a free buffet every day. What do you think is going to happen?

[@blackboiblick5991]

You can’t make exceptions.. the rule .. those are just those individuals experience I have friends and family in it and they are just fine

[@happilyhealing2749]

The training is with GOD! Jesus take the wheel LORD!

[@jasminewillis4997]

Lord rebuild the car🙌🏾😆🤣🤣🤭. All jokes aside, seriously 🙌🏾🔥🙌🏾

[@trams313]

I live in NC and started listening to TFCC bc of this podcast. Thank you bc their ministry has been a blessing. ❤