Harley And Freelee DID NOT Get Lean on RawTill4

"Follow the advice of the people with the results you desire" are very wise words! However I think it is important to understand that Harley (durianrider) and Freelee did not become lean and fit on the RawTill4 die; they achieved their physique on a RAW vegan diet and maintained this physique on RT4. For people that are wanting to maintain their current weight, RawTill4 is a really great HCLF option. However for optimized fat loss, convenience, and affordability, try out FruitAfter4 and get closer results to raw veganism.
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[@komposteramig]

Durianrider even says one of the reasons they do raw til 4 is that they'd get too lean eating all fruit, so your're probably right. :)

[@HealthyistheNewSexy]

Smile_Brighter None of this adds up...Durianrider's statements or hers. Is Durianrider now revealing that he was never fully raw by making that statement??? He was supposedly raw for quite a while. It doesn't matter to me if he was ever fully raw except that he was so dogmatic about it at the time.

[@Twistedhippy]

HealthyistheNewSexy think he was fully raw but eating loads to keep up with his exercise and would have to limit the exercise because of getting too lean. Or so he says, sounds like another exaggerated harley-ism.

[@bradclarke7874]

+Smile_Brighter I'm going to respond to a 9 month comment because this shit bugs me. Durianrider is also trying to sell ebooks to insecure teenagers looking to lose weight following his lifestyle, so yea, he's going to claim that his raw food unlimited calories fruit diet will make you "too skinny".

[@komposteramig]

Brad Clarke I know, old me was too deep into that dogma. I agree with everything you just said at this point

[@VeganGrowth]

Haha, finally someone with actual knowledge and doesn't come up with their own "ideas". Great video, hope you don't get banned from RT4 now that you've posted your opinion...that seems to happen a lot now

[@PaleoPlate]

Vegan Growth Thanks! Yes hopefully it is received well by logical thinkers! :)

[@zxyatiywariii8]

@@PaleoPlate But now you're not vegan.😞 No shade intended, it only makes me sad. RT4 failed terribly for me. But there are so many other ways to be vegan, and I wish Freelee would focus on the great variety of possibilities. I think the worst thing was "It worked for me so it'll work for everyone." That's not true of anything in human health. We're all individuals. There can't ever be one thing that works for everyone. 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@xxELK]

I haven't been RT4, but have been HCLF for a year now and I keep banging myself over the head for not being able to do RT4 (just doesn't satisfy me to eat only fruit throughout the day). I have lost 30 kg over the past year, but I'm currently weighing 87kg and my weight loss has gone stagnant. I felt like if ONLY I could be more disciplined and do RT4 or even RAW I'd lose wait, but it just doesn't work for me and is giving me alot of mental pain. Thank you for making this video, I've been afraid of asking for help in the RT4 community, afraid of being told to just do RT4 like that when I'm obviously struggling to. I'll try fruit after 4, and stay tuned on your channel. Thank you for being brave enough to stand up, and stand out!

[@sofiap193]

I was thinking the same! Glad someone finally brought it up. Losing fat and maintaining a healthy weight are completely different ball games.

[@Telinajodiaz]

Love your channel. Thank you for your continued intelligent responses. You have class and it is respected and admired. You are brave to do what you are doing, but it is definitely time. Many thanks to you!! Looking forward to more concrete information from you!

[@PaleoPlate]

Telina Diaz Thank you for your kind words! Coming out with exercise recommendations today that have awesome study links! :)

[@lilybanana9610]

I think Freelee's mom came up with raw til 4 because it was easier for HER and Freelee promoted it as a back up plan

[@katie4916]

Lily Banana That is exactly how it happened :)

[@VicaCica72]

I find your videos very interesting, watched a few now that I found your channel. I don't see any disrespect towards Freelee or Durianrider in your video. I also like them a lot. But we always learn new things and find new ways to improve . If someone happens to be stuck on raw till 4 maybe your idea is the key to their success regarding weight loss. We have to share our knowledge and experience so that everyone finds his way.

[@DanielleFerreira-kt7ix]

Oh, my God, everybody says something different... Can we just be?? Can we just exist without worrying about all that...

[@fruitfunfitness3584]

I never thought of the possibility of having multiple steady states. Thanks for helping me to reflect on how much I really don't understand about how the body utilises energy. P.S. I like how you speak with consistent speed and clarity, it means that I can easily hear what you say on 2x speed.

[@gensways]

i love how calm, respectful and knowledgeable you are! keep it up :)

[@pandally4578]

This makes so much more sense than RT4. You also seem much more educated than Freelee and Harley though it's probably because you don't have their aggressive nature.

[@persimmondanceremilie8878]

That's the same conclusion I came to as well after 1 1/2 years of trying RT4. It's great for maintaining weight but, for me, not for weight loss. That's why most people have had to tweak the diet a bit in order to lose the extra pounds. Thank you for sharing this info. :)

[@janetlewis7071]

raw till four made me gain weight. then I got acne. im glad I found your channel before I went to far down that road.

[@katrinac9450]

hi savy i absolutely love your videos! i just want to ask...the reason to eat fruit at night is so that your body can burn fat at night because there's no glucose interrupting fat burning. but is it also the same if i eat fruit for breakfast? like...i have fasted the whole night and then eating fruit (so would i still be burning fat?). or does it only work at night? thanks x

[@janicemorris6085]

Before Freelee was in the picture at all, Durianrider, then went by Harley was repeatedly and I mean daily on the discussion board hosted by Dr. DOUG Graham on VegSource.Com Harley was 80/10/10 Raw and stayed like that for years. He was getting to thin on all Raw and has said if he ever Was not exercising He would return to Being Raw I agree with you completely Rawtill4 is a vehicle that is deluding and dissapointing a lot of females in particular. Oh well to each his own

[@PaleoPlate]

Janice Morris Great response, I really appreciate your support! "Rawtill4 is a vehicle that is deluding and dissapointing" Unintentionally, but yes I agree. That's why it is so important to discuss and challenge these types of things, friendly and respectful discussion will only bring growth. :)

[@lulolancy]

This is a great point you made Earthling. Harley put out a video once where he admits adding cooked food, rice, potatoes, etc, to his diet because he and freelee were losing to much weight on a raw diet. Do you remember when they began promoting, "the back up plan" well the thing is that they relied to much on the back up plan. Anastasiaraw said it best, "If you're using your back up plan every day then its not a back up plan." You are 100% correct--they did not get lean on the RT4 program. Especially Freelee. When Freelee and Harley turned on Doug Graham, because of the WFF fiasco, that's when they began to promote RT4 to distance themselves from the 80 10 10 "raw diet". So yes, Freelee and Harley got lean and fit on the 80 10 10 raw diet. And let not even get into Freelee biking across Australia under carbed to lose her weight.

[@ahmedalnumairi3498]

Love this comment

[@tami2side]

Great video! I found you from a comment on Happy Healthy Vegan's video about fruit in the evening. You make a lot of sense and explain things very well! Im wondering how old you are and what your background is - are in college now, or working? Just curious :)

[@PaleoPlate]

tami2side Oh cool, nice to meet you! I'm 20 and fund myself through health coaching at the moment. I am certified in a few different nutrition programs, but mostly am self educated :) Welcome and let me know if you have any questions about anything! :D

[@jakehobbs1]

I don't want to give up my fruit for breakfast. Will having fruit for breakfast and dinner, then only having starches for lunch work well for fat loss? Also with about 30 min to an hour of cycling every morning before breakfast.

[@PaleoPlate]

***** Sounds great! Eat whatever you like HCLF during the day before supper! :)

[@willowbrook6909]

YES!!!! thank you for posting this!!! I have no ill feelings towards them at all, i used to follow them all the time when they were raw vegan, but THAT is how they lost their weight!!!! Raw till 4 is waking people up to the movement though which is great, just wish they didn't say they lost weight on raw till 4 when its only like 2-3 years at most old and they have been on the tube for a long time. They were aggressively raw vegan for a loooooong time before cooked foods. raw food for thought ;)

[@ahmedalnumairi3498]

Love this comment

[@kiddie300101]

Loving your channel, you are fantastic at explaining things clearly. I was wondering if you have any suggestions for people that exercise at night. I am active through the day but i practise yoga around 7pm for over an hour. Thanks.

[@PaleoPlate]

kiddie300101 Hi there, thanks! Is fat loss a goal of yours? If so, yoga at night will not facilitate this, but is still a very healthy practice for flexibility, core strength, mood etc. If fat loss is a goal, then is it possible to take a walk or bike ride in the morning? Possibly on the way to school/work, and then eat breakfast when you're there? Give me a few more life details and I'm sure we can work something out :)

[@kiddie300101]

Earthling Nutrition thanks for replying. I'm fairly slim but i'm struggling to lose the last bit from my thighs, bum and lower stomach. I have definitely got muscle in those areas just seem to have a layer of droopy fat. I don't have a very routine life but i could probably walk or do some rebounding in the morning. Really interested in this as i tried fully raw and i was losing weight but i felt really anxious and my skin was bad. On the other hand i feel like i stay the same on starch solution.

[@POSTMASTER_Rion-Donald_Harmon.]

kiddie300101 one word, cycling.

[@kiddie300101]

oɌionⓋ thank you.

[@thefartpoweredcyclist24]

hey... loved your video and your easy approach..it's nice to see. Just a thought,i have noticed a few posts under your video's that seem to be from trolls who don't show their real profile and are trying to wreck/discredit your video's,not offer any actual constructive views, being rude and insulting. I was thinking maybe block and remove the trolls who can't be identified..i would if it was my account..(i know this account i'm commenting under isn't identifiable either but it's so i don't get deliberate trolls wrecking my own account for sticking up for decent youtubers.)

[@toddjohnson2190]

Seems correct. The most weight I ever lost was while eating starches during the day and fruit at night. But I would run at least 10 miles per day.

[@VICC031]

I agree - I was eating highly starchy meals at night and during the day (at pretty much every meal) and I just maintained my weight. I started having salads at night instead with tofu instead of rice and beans and I've started losing fat .....

[@LinHen0805]

That`s so interesting! I have the same problem. I am eating a lot of starches (cooked foods) combined with fruits and veggies and maintain my weight. I first read The Starch Solution along with watching Freelees Channel and I thought doing TSS was more convenient and better for saving money. Didn`t loose any weight so far. So happy I found Savys Channel! I think carbs at night are the problem maybe? How much have you lost so far (Fat or weightloss)

[@VICC031]

Not sure if it posted my reply?

[@LinHen0805]

Dont think so :-D

[@VICC031]

I've replied twice now but it hasn't posted haha

[@VICC031]

Basically I don't weigh myself so I don't know how much I lost but I've definitely lost several inches all over

[@jcroc1419]

Thank you for putting this information out there. Everything I've heard you say in your videos makes so much sense. Keep making videos!

[@marinalina6348]

I remember this trend in dieting was made popular by Susan Powter over 2 decades ago. People got hooked on refined carbs (i.e plain bagels etc) and companies started to take fat out but load products with sugar (Snackwells). It wasn't done right but only because people didn't think or know about how bad refined carbs and sugars were, and thought they were safe because the fat was taken out and that they could eat much more food than fat containing food. I believe in a balance of protein, fat and whole food carbs and eating proper portions with limited snacking for myself.

[@chervenovino]

This was true for me, I did raw till 4 and maintained my weight, which would have been great but I wanted to get a bit slimmer, I am now figuring things out myself and have lost 5 kg so far and when I am down to my comfortable weight I will incorporate more of a raw till 4 vibe to maintain and help me work out more for my body health. Thank you for making these vids.

[@janicemorris6085]

The immature responses remind me of high school and who is popular. Facts ..Freelee and Harley were lean way before they pulled Rawtill4 out of their ass. That is fact ..do your research on a time line and if one has been following them since B4 Rawtill4 , the response should be "oh yes of course" An emotional response to a simple reality represents something going on with the objecter. On a side note, I am grateful for both of them

[@PaleoPlate]

Janice Morris As am I, well spoken words my friend! :)

[@harambethegorilla75]

Exactly!!! Finally someone puts it out there!!!

[@HekaAlchemi]

uh oh. looks like you're on their hit list now even though you respectfully disagreed with them. watch out for "bittersweet" lol

[@PaleoPlate]

***** I loved your video response mate, your attitude is the kind I try to put forward. Also, I have been listening to "How to make friends and influence people" on KZbin and its really wonderful, thank you for suggesting it! :)

[@rawfoodphilosophy7061]

***** What's wrong with being kind to 95% of the population and then hate on the haters?

[@rawfoodphilosophy7061]

***** What is wrong with being mean to mean people............. and kind to kind people?

[@rawfoodphilosophy7061]

***** Ya.....kind is vague. Ok, aaahhhhhh what about being nice to vegans who eat starch solution or 100% raw or vegans who simply have a slightly different viewpoint on food?

[@shadow7dreamer126]

+Vegan Meets World Are you fucking stupid? FL and DR got famous SOLELY from USING OTHER PEOPLES FAME. Example: Jenna Marbles, Kim Kardashian, other celebs. Hypocrite.

[@pamfox70]

Great job! Keep up the great work!

[@rawfoodphilosophy7061]

lol......""lack of knowledge"".......you're banned! Great vid!

[@mirandafinch5506]

Love this approach, and I'm already a HCLF vegan and definitely will try this! I have a question about exercise, what if you enjoy high intensity workouts and long runs/bike rides and can only make time for this after work (around 5-6) right now? If i do moderate exercise in the morning (ie. biking to work) when would be a good time for higher intensity exercise? Before dinner? After dinner? Also ill be going back to school in the fall and could exercise doing spare in the afternoon, would this be a better time? Thanks

[@PaleoPlate]

Miranda Finch Hi there! Exercise at any time of day with whatever intensity feels manageable is healthy. It will make you more fit. The difference between this and working out in the morning before food is that you will not be burning exclusively fat in the afternoon or evening. If fat loss is not a goal of yours, then it does not matter what time you work out, you still will benefit in other ways from the exercise. Moderate exercise in the morning (biking to work like you said) will be the time you can burn fat. For the high intensity (no fat burning) sessions, do them whenever you like! :) Hope that helps!

[@mirandafinch5506]

Thanks :)

[@catie052]

I lost weight being vegan and then adopted the raw till 4 diet except the whole max cal. and started gaining...even getting off the raw till 4 I was still gaining and not understanding why. I never lost the last few pounds to achieve the weight I was at before raw till 4. Funny, I just started eating fruit as my snack after dinner (been going back to raw) so we will see what happens. I like the honesty and I will certainly keep researching myself.

[@pescatarian8520]

Check your fasting glucose.... You could of come insulin resistant

[@janiejackson234]

I have a question about fruitafter4. I hear a lot of people saying that eating fruit after starches will give you serious digestion problems? I'm sorry I always ask so many questions on your videos haha

[@PaleoPlate]

Jacque A A lot of people do say that yes, I encourage people to try it out for themselves to see if this holds true for them. I personally can eat fruit with and after starches no problem, and many other people find this to be true for themselves as well! Experiment! :))

[@EarthMonkey]

Good video definitely another approach people can try to lose weight.

[@fainulllka777]

I seriously love all your videos! You're like no one else on KZbin.... Thank you for always being so factual and so nerdy with all your videos ha ha in a good way of course! Great way actually 😄 keep up the great work

[@amazingyummy2]

Thank you for your findings on this. I have been constantly bloated on raw till 4 with starches at night giving me diebetic like symptoms (frequent urination and night sweating)..excited to try your lifestyle.

[@Brandon3739]

I wish i knew about you earlier. But, i learned about veganism through durian and freelee. I gained a lot of weight on rawtill4.

[@gerrygold9273]

Fantastic girl you said it. You explained it on point. 😄" Raw till 4 does Not make you lose weight." The only way you lose weight on Raw till 4 is when you are doing vigourus excersice daily. Freeley and Durian jump on their bikes and ride all day. They need all those extra carbohydrates to mentain their energy each day. Raw till 4 will make you Gain weight if you Don't excercise to burn off the calaries each day. If you are an athletetic person then this is the diet for you. If you not, then try the Microvour diet. Do whatever suits you. Thank you. God Bless.✌

[@juliettehannah7721]

Um no they don't exceesise all day and your basically saying that you have to exceesise all day to eat a lot which is completely untrue. Just eat as much and as you want and exceesise how hard is that to explain to poeple it's not calories in calories out if you don't exceesise you don't have to restrict that's basically what your saying

[@TheMcguins]

What about eating all raw but adding the exception of 1 cup of cooked beans/lentils for dinner? Will I slow my progress by doing this?

[@PaleoPlate]

TheMcguins If you are strategically exercising, you're going to be losing fat regardless of what carbs you eat in the evening. If you want to lose fat as night as well, fruit is recommended! :) Just depends on what you're comfortable with!

[@lovleyrose124]

I like the fact that you're respectful. On to my question now, are you saying to not eat starches for diner? And why would it be beneficial to eat otherwise? I'm not criticizing but you've been vegan for a year and a half, not that it truly matters but I'm exceptionally curious seeing as I'm brand new to veganism.

[@PaleoPlate]

Lanie Hi Janie, nice to meet you :) You can eat starches for dinner I just encourage you eat them throughout the day when they are of most benefit to energy levels. And to eat greens, vegetables, plant fats, and fruit in the evening for a lighter digestive load and fuller vitamin/mineral absorption (plant fats and greens are a killer combo in the evening). I promote eating earth foods (whole plant foods) in whatever combination works best for you, but I do suggest a lighter starch meal or no starches in the evening as there are going to be many benefits to doing this.

[@francois-mariearouet5655]

Why do you think ppl lose weight on the starch solution ? I think its because they use the satiating effects of starches to create a calorie deficit?

[@PaleoPlate]

Vegan Pukii Great insight, I agree and will elaborate in a video comparing Starch Solution to FruitAfter4 soon! :)

[@allaroundhome]

Earthling Nutrition great video! yes please could you elaborate on starch solution.... thank you!!! :)

[@superbobor]

Earthling Nutrition Have you ever made the video comparing starch solution to FruitAfter4?

[@velegance2007]

Very interesting, I'm going to try that out, thanks! But one question: pure fruit for dinner or is fruit + veggies (raw, as a salad) alright?

[@roxannat89]

Awesome video, liked the way you explained it and you aren’t super critical of them, just stating your point, I did find that I put on some weight on raw til 4. I will try this method of exercising before eating. In a video freelee says that eating fruit and starches together is not good for digestion as fruit digests faster, any thoughts on this?

[@ZZhorses]

Yeah..I can see this. I lost 24lbs on rt4 but when I started I ate much more fruit than the cooked carbs. Now I've incorporated WAY more carbs and my weight has remained constant

[@HiCarber]

Not really sure about the point of this video. Yes, technically they didn't get lean on RT4 because they were both on the trendy raw bandwagon without knowing any better at the time (I'm so glad they jumped off). Seeing as they are just as lean on RT4, do you really think they couldn't have achieved the same results? I sense a little spitefulness in doing this video.

[@PaleoPlate]

Hi Carber Hi there, my intent was to point out that DR&FL achieved their lean physique on a raw vegan diet, and so they did not BECOME lean on RawTill4, therefore it is inaccurate to say that their physique can be obtained on RawTill4 with any doubt. What I did note is also what you said "they are just as lean on RT4" meaning that RawTill4 did not cause fat gain for them. And it won't for anyone else either if implemented correctly (weight gain experienced by most is water retention, food weight, glycogen, etc). We know this because the mechanisms that are favoured over fat storage from carbs makes fat gain very difficult. However, why do so many people not lose weight on RawTill4? This is the question that drove me to research and realize that strategic carbohydrate timing and exercise make important differences in the physique that can be obtained on a HCLF vegan diet. Thanks for your comment, I really appreciate you challenging my points. I carry no spitefulness, it is something I am very careful to be conscious of in my thinking and conduct.

[@HiCarber]

Earthling Nutrition My opinion why some can't lose weight is they haven't done it long enough. When DR & FL talk about metabolic damage, after looking into a lot of the people who gained and couldn't lose weight, they all came from calorie-restriction and eating disorders. What I think metabolic damage is is basically low thyroid which a person will get if they calorie-restrict long enough and even a doctor told me low thyroid can take over a year to correct, so with all the evidence I've seen so far, I have to go with DR & FL's thoughts that people will gain if they have Mdamage and could take a year or more to heal from it before the weight starts coming off. Most of the people who quit their advice did so less than a year in. Now I would like to see just as anyone if they could have achieved the same results on RT4, but I don't think we can convince them to eat how they used to eat and gain the weight and poor health back haha! Sorry if I sounded hostile in my first post. I support everyone's right to challenge everyone else.

[@PaleoPlate]

Hi Carber Excellent thoughts mate! I think thyroid health can definitely influence weight issues, but not everyone has a damaged thyroid, there is something else at play here I think! This is what I'm advocating though, not just calling every complication "metabolic damage" but actually looking into it and finding specific mistakes, areas of inadequacies, etc. so we can produce helpful solutions! :) I appreciate your thoughts, please keep them coming!

[@POSTMASTER_Rion-Donald_Harmon.]

Hi Carber They still promote 100% raw, they see cooked food as a back up plan. They obviously say fuck it thought and eat cooked food any way. Probably just to spite woodstock fruit festival

[@HiCarber]

Earthling Nutrition I think it's all thyroid, personally. Of interest, go look at all the people who gained or can't lose and ask what their thyroid levels are. I'd be surprised if any had levels in optimum range. There is some controversy with the "normal" thyroid range, so that's why I say "optimal range" which, from what I've researched, seems to be between 1-2.

[@POSTMASTER_Rion-Donald_Harmon.]

How are starches better for fulfilling glycogen stores? You would think fruit is better because of the digestion efficiency

[@PaleoPlate]

oɌionⓋ I'll do a video soon on starches vs fruits in digestion/metabolism! Thanks! :)

[@paaiigee7]

Love your videos, and I appreciate the research you do to follow your words!

[@iusanem]

I like your videos! you adress great topics and in a rational way. I don't agree with you on everything, but I guess I don't need to :)

[@joannakowalska9247]

what I do not understand is that raw till 4, starchsolution do not work exactly the same on everybody. ( I did more of bread solution with starches and other goodness). I was already owerweight (169cm, 74kg) and in 8 months I gained 6kg. I am upset that HCLF did not produce weightloss. I walk bloated all the time. It is annoying as I do not fit my clothes anymore. I hope that Microvorism will help me reduce my weight.

[@fUP420babe]

+Joanna Kowalska maybe you should go with whole food starches like brown rice and potatoes versus using bread, bread is a highly processed food and digest very quickly, i have been hclf starch solution for 2 months and have already lost 25 pounds.

[@HighCarbDiabeticV]

Bread isn't whole food.

[@joannakowalska9247]

Cheers.bread can be addictive especially it it tastes like childhood and associated with comfort

[@HighCarbDiabeticV]

Joanna Kowalska I do like bread as well 🙂

[@joannakowalska9247]

Bellaud Did u read well what I wrote? I did not follow rawtill4. I did HCLF. I live in cold scotland. I do not hv resources to buy so much fruit, nor we hv good quality produce here. Also there is a social angle regarding rawtill4. I hv already shortage of good friends. Do not want to separate myself even more. Starch solution is the best for my circumstances.

[@nannabanana6538]

Do you still think you can get results if you eat fruit at dinner, but exercise in the afternoon? Thank you for sharing xx

[@francois-mariearouet5655]

I think rawtill4 maybe for ppl with less damaged systems and more "metabolic strength" fruit after 4 /might be "the last option" if everything else fails? (metabolicly seen)

[@magdalenafinke]

Hey Savy! I really like your videos, especially that you never just go ahead criticising people but instead also appreciating their work and all they've done for the vegan community!:)) What are your thoughts on not working out at all when you lost your period and that you have to eat more calories to ger your period back? I would loooove to see a video on this topic!!!

[@sabriasasalinas]

I can't eat fully raw. I'm always hungry the days I eat fully raw. I ate lots of quantities. I don't understand why?

[@eiliyanatorres4770]

Fruits and veggies are very low in calories. You can eat like 5 cups of strawberries and that would only be about 250 calories yet it's so filling! Also, fruits and veggies digest super fast. They go in and out quick. Eat more calorie dense fruits. Banana, mangoes, dates. Also, incorporate some cooked starches if you have to

[@TascamTascam]

Nonsense. HCLF is the way to go regardless of when you eat what. And in the end calories are a big factor in losing weight

[@_RedWizard]

I've lost fat on rawtill4 but it's been slow (over the course of 6 months). I also exercise every day.

[@daniell6816]

You just said DR and FL have lack of knowledge. I think you just got banned from TFF.

[@PaleoPlate]

Daniel L Respectful and polite discussion of improvements that can be made in any scenario should have no repercussions, but unfortunately sometimes they do. Look at ***** , this sweet and thoughtful guy just got banned recently from attending... :( But I am doing this for people that are interested in health change and finding solutions to the problems they experience on HCLF, so that we all can be healthy individuals who are confident and capable of taking care of the world.

[@genna7598]

Earthling Nutrition you are doing this to promote you.

[@daniell6816]

Earthling Nutrition Yes unfortunately it doesn't take much to feel the wrath of the DuranduranRiddler. Soon you may even get the mysterious "bittersweet" commenting on your channel.

[@robinlillian9471]

If you follow the same diet as someone else, you will NOT necessarily get the same results, unless you have similar genes. If I ate loads of raw fruit, I would get so much diarrhea (fructose malabsorption) that I would probably die of dehydration. NOT everyone can tolerate the same diet. Of course, white sugar and processed food is bad for everyone, but individual tolerance varies. It's similar to the way some people get allergies to certain foods/animals and others don't. One person could get a bee sting and barely notice, and another could go into anaphylactic shock and die without emergency medical treatment.

[@daysoftheboo]

Fruits and vegetables are painfully expensive especially fruits who can afford to eat fruit all day?

[@mootv9785]

Interesting. How do u explain weight gain on raw till 4? I did it for a year and always did exercise in morning on Empty stomach.

[@Lulu-yn9mv]

Great vid! Thank you!!

[@mariamnersisyan2511]

Thank you for your video :) Although i have a few questions, i sometimes get hypoglycaemic when i exercise on an empty stomach so I have to have some food prior and I also can't exercise in the morning, the only time I can do is in the evenings, does that mean I wont be loosing weight following this regimen?

[@saxenart]

So it’s better to exercise before eating?

[@veganbanana4687]

why don't you contact them and discuss the issue with them... I think it will do more good to the community. Good video btw

[@OfTheSidhe]

I like Freelee but some clickbait titles and bad advice for weight loss. I guess they can't make as much money with promoting eating just raw food as not great cooks. I gained 5 lb in 5 days - thank God I weighed myself and knew in my gut it was a bad way of eating + seemed to trigger sciatica which is a sign of inflammation.

[@Ali-mq2id]

So what Vegan diet will make you loose more weight? :)

[@boldir5909]

Another very good video!

[@feelthebliss2065]

I love this video so so much. You say that Freelee and DR have no ill intentions, it's just lack of knowledge. (?) Well, so THEY do not KNOW themselves anymore how these things went? You think they just FORGOT that they got so healthy and slim and fit on YEARS of a 100% Fruit-diet (which they agressively promoted at that time?) and NOT by overeating on cooked carbs? Since you say that these video appeals to logical thinkers I would AT BEST be able to say that Freelee and DR have lost their ability to think logically. Let's say they do not want to harm people and they do want to save animals. O.K. But they also want to have a following that is huge, ensuring huge income. And people love to be told that they can actully MASSIVELY OVEREAT and have those incedible physiques they are showing. IDK but I still see something evil in all this. Why not eat reasonable amount of plant-foods, even run a small calory- deficit on a low-fat-plant-based diet? You see how this sounds boring and not sexy and sensational at all? It's all about the clicks and I really don't know what to prefer: That they really believe their BS on massively stuffing yourself AND losing weight and healing (there really is no healing in overeating) or that they create this stuff and make it up to be a sensationalistic thing so that the whole world talks about it, which creates millions of clicks and so that (as happening now) youtube sponsors them to come and live in L.A. IDK.....many people in the meantime seem to be harmed by the calorie-cramming-thing......getting more and more desperate every day and losing time on their personal way to health and happiness by believing in advice that just does not work the way it is being promoted.

[@Lonwolf.]

Speaking truth wow good stuff makes alot of since

[@stellannie86]

Does one really get all the necessary amino acids and fatty acids from a fully raw diet?

[@lisascarlett8971]

Very helpful thanks

[@surfdetective]

if you want to see how it happened watch their videos from oldest to newest. You are spot on.

[@eyecandii1987]

What about the starch solution

[@PaleoPlate]

that.mango.girl FruitAfter4 will optimize fat loss for people doing Starch Solution as well :)

[@GodlessLesbianxo]

Sorry if you have answered this, but do you have a degree in nutrition? i am not being a smart ass, I just think you sound very intelligent. I love the science aspect.

[@PaleoPlate]

Godless Lesbian Haha love your username and profile pic

[@GodlessLesbianxo]

Thank you. I wanted to be very obvious. haha.

[@earthling9374]

So you can't eat before workouts?

[@nora4417]

Makes so much sense!

[@VeggieDude]

what about all the people that have lost weight on a high carb low fat cooked vegan diet? for example the people who follow Dr mcdougall's starch solution diet.

[@eiliyanatorres4770]

That's what I was wondering too

[@Caine1976]

Thx fpr your videos. I think you shoud differentiate fat in the blood and depot fat: The heart-rate-range is interesting when you want to be most efficient in burning fat in blood - but the more sport you do the more fat you loose...in the blood. If you haven´t eat anything (no fat, carbs and proteins in the blood) the heart-rate-range doesn´t matter...you will burn depot fat. :-)

[@PaleoPlate]

Caine1976 Yes, but high intensity will burn glycogen rather than fat, and glycogen is plentiful on a HCLF diet. So I think heart rate is something to be aware of :)

[@Schlingsi]

Not trying to discredit your message as there is definitely some truth in it here but to be fair, if you look at some of Freelee's videos from 2 years ago and now, you will see that she has still transformed quite a bit on rt4 and continues to do so. Same goes for DR, his face is leaner than ever. But yeah, my cousin is as lean as he is eating a SAD diet and lots of it... Not everyone is the same.

[@alexandarpetrov]

Body ALWAYS burns carbs and fats. Even if u train fasted body will burn more fat while fasted and more carbs later on. You can’t target fat loss and hope u came to these conclusions as the years went by. People who eat mostly carbs always end up skinny cuz is hard to store carbs as fat. So raw til 4 , raw or whatever carb diet u choose u will always be skinny

[@PaleoPlate]

Freelee the Banana Girl durianrider

[@PaleoPlate]

***** Thank you so much for your passionate comment, it is so healthy and beneficial to express your opinions and speak out against things you believe are incorrect. "It is not lying, it is lack of knowledge I think, they have no ill intentions towards you and they have contributed more to this community than any other KZbinr", (me) so I mean a lack a knowledge of insulin presence following starch meals deterring fat oxidation during sleep, and more specific knowledge regarding fat oxidation during exercise (fasted exercise in around 65% VO2 max). They have not discussed these specifics in their videos, and so they do not have knowledge in this area specifically. I was not saying they didn't have any knowledge, goodness no! :) They're both very well informed and great teachers too! I think metabolic damage is a blanket term and we can look more closely into problems and figure out solutions rather than stay confused and sick. "Why so many people on the starch solution are losing weight" (you). What an excellent question! :) I intend to explain why individuals are successful on Starch Solution in an upcoming video; as there are a few reasons that I would like to explain in length. "The truth is that any HCLF diet will make you better and healthier" (you) Absolutely!! "Sadly people like you are shooting progress in the foot because you're all about you and not about the people who are getting help" (you) Actually, my motives are selfless and my passion is to help people in this community and outside achieve healthier lifestyles and bodies. Unfortunately, I get many comments and emails from individuals that are not getting these results and it has drove me to find solutions. To discuss these solutions, it is necessary to discuss RawTill4 and its creators to understand the improvements that can be made on their foundations. I understand your reaction, as many KZbinrs criticize and bash each other and it has become somewhat the norm. But I am very conscious of my thinking and language to ensure my videos are fair, informed, and helpful. Thanks for reading my reply, have a beautiful day! :)

[@PaleoPlate]

Examples are good for learning, and what better examples are Harley and Freelee for representing the diet that they created. I did not speak meanly about them, and whatever views are generated by this video will help to open discussion about this topic. What is important to be conscious of, is respect for everyone that is involved in this discussion. I have respect for Harley, Freelee, and you. Hopefully you can see that. :)

[@franvargascoach]

***** I think that is freelee's and DR's strategy... everytime I go to see one of their videos the content is totally different from the title... and u can tell it's because they want more views. Why do u defend them so passionately? Earthling Nutrition is just trying to spread a message that would work for other people. You didn't really get what she said and you have a very bad comprehension.

[@IIHappygoluckyII]

Ignore what that person said, savvy (savy? Sorry:p) you're doing a great thing in this community and you're a real sweet girl. Sadly that person seems to be perceiving you to have some twisted ulterior motive rather than just helping people and clearing up the facts. Different ppl, different way of perception. But the fact that you're getting disagreements means that your channel is growing. Keep doing what you're doing!:)

[@franvargascoach]

***** if you are talking about rawtill4 of course you would use the promoter's names...As Earthling Nutrition said in the answer to ur comment, freelee and DR are miss informed about fat burning at night eating fruit, otherwise they would be promoting the same lifestyle (aka. fa4)!!!...She is not trying to call them frauds at all, actually she mentions in this video that she LOST weight on rt4 and that she is NOT against because it has worked for many people. She just wants to give people other options if rt4 didn't work.

[@mikw2026]

is the raw vegan diet healthy?

[@tranquil87]

It can be, but not in the long term. It's incredibly unsustainable, unless you live in the tropics.

[@catalinelevy6199]

Very interesting! If your theory works, youll be huge (not physically..lol). Just imagine eating 2500+ calories and still lose weight? Thatll be so awesome. Ive been failing on eating 1000 calories on fruits. I just dont like fruits and cant have smoothies as a meal. Im half Asian, I need rice, not oatmeal or smoothies.

[@alalrllawson9654]

Interesting. Love the different choices and maybe a person could mix it up doing fruit after 4 most of the time and then maybe once a week doing raw till 4 so they can go out to a vegan restaurant. I think that is what I will do. And if I get a bunch of great delicious fruit I will do some only raw days. Ah, the potential.

[@zapowee]

Your great, Thanks

[@KimArmstead75146]

The truth is that many who claim they were RT4, were really not. A prime example is HCH. This chick is still tippy toe-ing towards RT4 with all the sillyassed challenges that she embarks on every few months. Wonder if low fat will help her lose a few pounds?? Wonder if cutting out salt and oil will help her lose a few pounds? Really? These ARE THE GUIDELINES for RT4. These are pivotal to success! But tecall her video whining about how she was doing it perfectly and she got fat. The question becomes are you ON PROGRAM or OFF PROGRAM??? RT4 definitely works, but few actually LIVE THE LIFESTYLE!!! They skirt the perimeter, cheat 50% of the time and then whine about their half assed/non existent results. No worries...fresh meat for the haters....

[@genna7598]

sweetie you speak like you expert but you aren't lean healthy fit like them? You are trying to promote your own program by discrediting them.

[@PaleoPlate]

Genna Hi Genna, nice to meet you :) They too were not always not as lean, healthy, or fit as they are now. I am introducing a program to help individuals who struggle to lose weight on RawTill4 although they are following it exactly. My language reflects my respect and credit for Harley and Freelee, I mention this several times in the video. It is my intent to open up discussion of improvements that can be made on a HCLF diet, not to discount the effectiveness of RawTill4 for some individuals. :)

[@genna7598]

Earthling Nutrition honey they are obviously not giving the life-style long enough and you are cashing in on their impatience. Shame.

[@PaleoPlate]

Thanks for expressing your thoughts, but you do not understand my intentions if this is your conclusion. Have a wonderful day! :)

[@BloodMeridien]

Excellent videos. I stumbled on my own successful 'raw after 4' diet plan having not lost any weight on raw till 4 after 8 months. You've explained the biological processes and associated science very well. Unfortunately you are now an enemy of the RawTill4 crew with their 'metabolic damage' dogma. I hope the ad hominen attacks against you won't be too bad and DR/Freelee reasses their scientific knowledge. Good luck :)

[@PaleoPlate]

BloodMeridien Thank you, and yes I'm sure I will not be accepted by them, and this is okay. All I can do is keep teaching what I know about nutritional science and everyone can come to their own conclusions! :)

[@CharlotteElizabethMA]

So pretty much... intermittent fasting.