Harley Benton B-Stock Guitars?

A couple examples of Harley Benton B-Stock guitars.
One was discounted about 6% the other about 18%. I'm interested in discovering a correlation between the decrease in quality vs. discount. Please share your B-Stock stories in the comments so that we can gather info and make better informed decisions regarding purchasing B-Stock guitars.
Spoiler Alert! (below)
Unboxing the following two guitars:
Harley Benton TE-62DB BK
Harley Benton SC-DLX Gotoh Shell Pink
(both great guitars by the way!)
The SC-DLX was pretty much flawless. Probably just a return that they couldn't sell as "new".
The TE-62DB had one inch long surface scratch in the finish. But the big problem was with the pots/electronics. They do work, but they won't for long. I took off the plate (not in video) and discovered that both the volume and tone knobs/pots were basically just hanging in there. If you turned one, the other would turn (due to the connecting wire). So that I think is why it was more heavily discounted.

[@CANNIMAGINE]

I learned how to mod guitars during Covid. There really isn't much to it. Harley Benton is so inexpensive you can put new pots and switches and still not have a lot into the guitars. I also find it a fun new hobby.

[@mathiusq9128]

Me too! Covid guitar boom is real.

[@jogmas12]

How to solder?

[@nasticanasta]

I like the guitars you don't have to mod and fix up, and I've been repairing a building guitars for decades. I pay for guitars to be already set. not to HAVE to fix and mod to make work right.

[@jogmas12]

@@nasticanasta the deluxe HB’s could always use an upgrade. I like improving the sound of things, whether guitars, hi fi, amps etc….

[@ralley145]

Last Christmas, my son got me a Harley Benton Lp Special with one p90 pickup covered in sparkling silver! It was b-stock without very little defects. It is very amazing and beautiful! There are small imperfections on the side of the fretboard and silver finish on the body. They are hardly noticeable at all. I put Wilkerson vintage mint-green tuners on it. I will never part with it because it’s one of a kind. The silver also goes all the way up the back of neck and on the front and back of the headstock. Amazing! Great video.

[@umbertoyltp]

In the beginning most Harley Benton guitars were B-stock ;-), there was always something to improve upon. Low quality pots, average pickups, finish quality issues with laquer or frets, tuners. But now with the Gotoh hardware, stainless steel frets and decent pickups they really upped their game.

[@bobplisskenNYLA]

@@folondrillo No tienes ni puta idea

[@smelltheglove2038]

Still a knockoff.

[@lilgarbage3796]

@@smelltheglove2038who cares

[@smelltheglove2038]

@@lilgarbage3796 anyone with standards and ethics. I don’t want a guitar built in a sweatshop.

[@lilgarbage3796]

@@smelltheglove2038 hate to break it to you dude, but 90% of things Americans use come from sweatshops. Just because it has a made In America stamp, doesn’t always mean it’s true. It’s a sad thing, but it’s a much larger issue than just the guitar industry

[@miguelvazquez9215]

Hey dude, I am waiting for a B Stock as well, and I believe your reviews was a relief to me. Thanks and I’ll be in touch soon 🤘🏼

[@braddinsmore2696]

Good luck with the guitar Miguel. I've ordered 6 Harley Bentons and all but one have been very good. I am 3 for 3 with b-stock HBs. One was a little on the heavy side, but 2 have turned out to be my most played guitars. Peace!

[@miguelvazquez9215]

@@braddinsmore2696 Dude I received the Black Satin SC-1000 VB Progressive, yesterday, it is perfect actually, except for a chipped on the left corner of the headstock, not so small honestly, however after two hours of playing the guitar the idea of sending it back disappeared from my mind, the HBZ humbuckers sounds very good and the fretboard is great to play metal as well, so considering the price including the shipping and the custom charge still a great option.

[@jonathanpeden9930]

I bought a b-stock SC Custom ll (saved 16 pounds) Paradise Flame and it arrived in perfect condition (with fitted free strap locks). There are no finish flaws or build issues - the only thing I noticed is on the back of the headstock it's printed "DC Custom Line" (double cut) when the axe is a single cut. Otherwise a great guitar.

[@braddinsmore2696]

That's awesome!

[@RainerK.]

I buy a b-stock whenever available. So far they have been flawless. Never had one that had been deeply discounted though, maybe that does make a difference.

[@abr00ky]

My new harley benton should have been B stock. Dreadful paint job. It went straight back.

[@karaokeitaliano]

Nice video, I have 4 b-stocks from harley benton and they don't have any problem except some small dings. My feeling is that sometimes they are better than the new one because I believe that they re-check/setup some of the b-stocks before shipping.

[@giddigogo]

Just taken delivery of a hb35 plus, b stock. It’s perfect so far, I can’t see any problems For me it’s a great buy

[@ileutur6863]

I've been buying and selling Harley Bentons for about 2 years now (not professionally, I just like trying out different models) and I've encountered a lot of different B stocks. Mostly its just light to medium cosmetic damage, like blemishes, paint chips, small dings from shipping, but there were a few cases where the light damage was hiding bigger problems like cracks in the wood or electronic damage. On one particular P bass, the truss rod was broken so I couldn't set it up properly.

[@braddinsmore2696]

Thanks for the info!

[@msbrech]

Did Harley Benton or Thomann do anything about that?

[@bengarza9421]

Last week I actually had no option but to purchase a b stock on one of their hollow Bodies, unless I wanted to wait a month and a half. So I ordered it hoping for the best. The thing was gorgeous, and no signs of anything disastrous on the body neck or anywhere else. I don't know why it was returned, but I tried it out and it sounded beautiful, looks beautiful. I wouldn't hesitate buying another b stock. I believe the model number on it was the CST 24 TOL tobacco Burst

[@Mr.56Goldtop]

CST 24 HB. I have one in charcoal gray.

[@martyndormer]

I also use a guitar as a tool, so I was embarrassed to accumulate 13 instruments. Having acquired my Harley Benton Fusion 3,I have happily made 4x guitars redundant. They are now entered in an auction, and I will see what happens…

[@2dazetake]

I just purchased a bunch of wall hangers, so I can eventually do the same thing,not only is it more inspiring to see your collection,it makes it easier,to just grab the flavor you need when recording, plus it helps me justify, why I have so many guitars,you can have two guitars exactly alike,and they will sound or play differently,if your playing cover tunes,it helps to have the type of guitar,that the original music was recorded with,,it's hard to make a strat sound like a les paul,and vise versa,working on guitars can be a fun hobby,and I believe everyone that plays, should know how to work on their own guitars.

[@braddinsmore2696]

Yes! That's great. My guitar playing increased probably 200% when I hung them.

[@elektrar9620]

Hi, as far as I was told, B-stock is simply a product that has been returned for sometimes no particular reason. Thomann has a 30 day return policy so if you buy a guitar or any product and you don’t like it, you return it, but it must be fully functional, so they inspect and you get your money back and this becomes the B-stock. So when I returned a tremolo because I found out it doesn’t fit into my guitar, it wasn’t even touched, but then it became a B-stock. With guitars, I guess someone buys the guitar, plays it for a while and returns it, but then they can sell it only as a B-stock. And regardless of being a Bock even from perfectly new Harley Benton, you cannot expect flawless guitars. Even in the highest price range there are loads and loads of flaws and even if they upgrade the hardware the electronics is always the weak spot so replacing any internal wiring and pots is basically a must if you want and really good sounding guitar.

[@braddinsmore2696]

100% agree with everything you said.

[@Nnmtes]

I've bought a few different B-Stock Harley Benton guitars from Thomann over the years. I've never had one that i wanted to send back. Usually i couldn't see any reason for being a B-Stock. I'm a HB fan and i own or have owned very expensive American made guitars. We need to get over having to own 'name brands' and instead buy and play excellent and great value instruments. My lastest purchase from Thomann is a B-Stock Squier Affinity Telecaster Deluxe. It hasn't arrived as yet, but shouldn't be too far away. I'm more than happy to own and play cheaper, but good quality instruments. When i started playing guitar 55+ years ago, cheaper guitars were just that: Rubbish. That's no longer the case.

[@davidnee]

I like how you put the depreciation of more expensive name branded guitars as compared to just buying and enjoying a less expensive and very playing guitar, then giving it away if it suits (or doesn't suit) you!!

[@thomasbrookes2266]

great honest vid brad, your tempting me to get the tele

[@braddinsmore2696]

Thanks. I was really surprised by the te62. So much better than I expected. If you don't have a tele and/or need a guitar I'd say this is a great option.

[@joedavis8481]

Ok so I just got my next two HB's (8 total) lap steel, t90 vw, cst24, dc dlx gotoh, fusion t, hb35, fusion t emg, sc custom fr emg. Ten days ago I was at work ordering the hb35 and fusion t emg so I was using a different debit card than usual so my order got canceled. When I got home I re ordered but they only had b stock 🤔 I ordered it and when it arrived there was a couple finger smudges on it (matte black) but everything was perfect and it is the second best that I have now , (the sc custom is unbelievable) 🎸🤘🍻

[@Mr4Strings]

Hey Brad nice video. I've had that question regarding B-Stock for a long time. Thomann gives no details, as you pointed out. I've been tempted but always opted for new. Hay man, don't sweat it dude. I never got the impression you were pressuring or trying to sell something. You gave an upfront and honest review of buying B-Stock. Thanks.

[@braddinsmore2696]

Thanks. Both of these b-stocks were great. I modified both of these and now they are my favorite guitars. I also got another b-stocks Harley Benton that was pretty much flawless, but I suspect it was returned due to it's weight - it was pretty heavy. I have no problem with ordering b-stocks, but going new is my preference. $20 or whatever the discount may be is relatively small - especially if you are planning on keeping the guitar. Thanks again!

[@Jul-wt5kd]

@@braddinsmore2696buuut if you saved 20$ per Guitar you saved 60$ in total

[@aristocaster]

B-Stock means guitar that has sent to customer who has returned the guitar for any reason. It does not mean that there is anything wrong with the guitar necesserily.

[@braddinsmore2696]

Thanks! Yeah, the pink SC-DLX was perfect. Even the "blemishes" I thought I saw when first unboxing it turned out to be handling smudges and basically disappeared when I touched them. I have no idea why someone would return that one. The TE-62DB was returned too, but with an understandable reason. I'd like to know if they try to fix before sending back out as B-Stock. My guess is that they don't based on the TE-62DB. It may not be worth it to them. But they should, it would have been an easy fix. Now it's my easy fix. Thanks for your insight! And for watching!

[@aristocaster]

@@braddinsmore2696 People actually buy guitars from Thomann because that allows them to try them at home, and send them back if for some reason you don't like the model, neck, colour etc. That is the business modell of Thomann and the bad thing is that people really order guitars so they can return them. But Thomann thinks, rightfully, that it pays back because people are more willing to make a purchase.

[@braddinsmore2696]

@@SeytonWallace I see your point here. B-Stock can mean more than just a return. And that is good clarification. Sometimes it is just a return and sometimes it's a guitar with lots of issues (which may or may not have been returned). Thanks again for your comment!

[@mikehurley5052]

@@braddinsmore2696 B stock is also ex demo/display guitars from the showroom.

[@kamiltbg]

@@aristocaster Thomann is a German company and they're simply forced by law to accept returns for any reason. They don't have to cover return costs, though, and I see they still do it in Europe.

[@mullraerae299]

Bought a B/stock Fusion £206 delivered to UK, it's flawless, that's about $300, stainless frets and dual adjust trussrod, satin neck, the action was just about spot on.

[@braddinsmore2696]

Fantastic deal for that! I paid $355 for my fusion and even at that (full price + shipping) I feel like I got a great value.

[@obeleco]

I have some guitars and basses from Harley Benton, two of them are B stock ( CST 24 HB and SC 450 P90 ). No issues at all. The first thing I do to all of the guitars is change the strings and do a decent setup. Then I test them for a long time. I only change if is really bad.

[@Old_Geezer]

The TE62 DB is one of the bargains of the decade, even at full retail. I paid £139 ($177) delivered and it's by far my favourite T style guitar. The only B-Stock I've purchased was a left handed HB35 Plus for my son at £173 ($220) and it is flawless - no idea why it was deemed B Stock. I own three other HB guitars....2 SC 450 Plus Vintage single cut LP copies (one in Lemon Drop and one in Vintage Burst), both of which are brilliant both to look at and to play and a JB-75MN Bass in Sunburst which is also my son's. I know nothing about basses but my son's teacher, who owns a ridiculous number of high end modern and vintage Fender guitars and who plays a Fender Jazz bass picked it up and was astonished at the quality of the instrument, just as he has been with all of our HB models. In fact the single cut models have him wanting to buy a Les Paul style axe for the first time in his life. All anecdotal I know, but I've yet to have a bad experience buying HB guitars from Thomann and the value for money is indisputable especially since we enjoy free shipping on our side of the Pond.

[@ColinStuart]

You've got the right attitude on "B" stock! We all know we are going to make our own dings & scratches on guitars! Why dread it!

[@AndreKrell]

I just got a DC-580 Custom (SG-style) and love it. The pickups aren't as hot as I like them but as Cannimagine mentioned below they're a great mod platform. The finishing is great (albeit not high-end) and the playability doesn't disappoint. I got mine from Germany in 3 days (with a weekend in between). Thomann has certainly up their game in the recent years!

[@braddinsmore2696]

That's great! Thanks for the info. I've been happy with my b-stocks too. I agree that Thomann has upped their game.

[@mikeblue385]

i bought a b-stock fusion t. i couldn't find any flaws. i found less than usual for a $275 guitar. no complaints.

[@Sean_Plays_Guitar]

My measurement for all of my finances now has become HBs. As in how many Harley Benton's does something cost. A pressure washer is 2 HBs. A cup of coffee is 1/25 HBs. Both of HB B-Stocks are awesome!

[@braddinsmore2696]

That's fantastic. I was just thinking about that after filling my gas tank yesterday.

[@Sean_Plays_Guitar]

@@braddinsmore2696 Ha! Yes...One tank of gas ranges between 2/3 - 2 HBs LOL

[@NeoRichardBlake]

I have a very similar functionality mindset with my guitars. I like how they all look, and I won't play them if it's a hassle.

[@mwbright]

My B stock is great. One little blemish on the neck, and my hand hasn't detected it. It's just visual, and it's too minimal to worry about. And by the way, this is the closest sound to an SG I have ever played. It's awesome.

[@gnb6451]

Got a Fusion T HH as a B Stock...cost 30 percent less - GBP250. It was absolutely prisine... totally impressed. (The guitar spec is awesome too!)

[@braddinsmore2696]

Great guitar at an amazing price!

[@tigerbalm666]

HB guitars has been geting better and better over a short time! I think their QC is better too...that woudl be smart.

[@ondrejkauzal8969]

Some time ago I bought a b-stock acoustic bass from Harley Benton. The price was quite low compared to non b-stock model, so I was expecting that I might be returning the thing back. When the bass arrived I was surprised to find just a single dent and quite rough fret job (but that was not probably why it was b-stock?), otherwise the bass was very good. What was the main reason for it being b-stock (and so cheap), was probably the fact that the E string was very quiet when played through the amp. Which, in fact, was quite easy fix as the culprit was just misplaced piezo pickup under the bridge saddle. Slight adjustment to its position solved the issue and now the bass plays reeeally great! I can't be happier. It has become my most frequently played instrument since then. I mean, it's not without any risks, but if you don't mind having some unintended "relicing", take the b-stock :)

[@relaxlibrary1088]

Thanks Brad for your video today awesome - my Harley Benton ST-20 Candy apple red strat was B-Stock was not a problem was just like brand new , cheers

[@braddinsmore2696]

Thank you! Glad to hear that you got a good one!

[@wikedvw]

First experience with HB was pretty good. Bought two of their inexpensive guitars. My only problem was they weren't packaged well for how UPS handles them during shipping. Both came with minor shipping damage and with a few pictures and emails, HB refunded me $35 on each guitar. The next guitar I wanted from them was no longer being produced (EX- 84 EMG), so the only way to get one was to buy a B stock version. It was about $70 less than the normal guitar, so I was really expecting a pretty crappy guitar. It arrived with no damage from shipping. 🙏 It does have a couple finish issues and the tailpiece stud that wasn't completely seated in the body. A few adjustments later and it's almost perfect. 💕

[@braddinsmore2696]

That's awesome. Love to hear that you got the guitar you wanted and at a great price. Yeah, UPS can be rough sometimes. I ordered an amp a while back and I think the delivery guy was trying to audition for Jim Carrey's role in an Ace Ventura remake.

[@wikedvw]

@@braddinsmore2696 So true about Ace Ventura. That's exactly how I pictured my delivery guys handle my packages.. I was hoping someone would do video on HB's B-stock guitars before I plunked down the money on the one I did. But I couldn't wait. 🤣

[@Rockr69747]

I have a b stock fusion with FR. After Fret level-recrown and full setup, awesome sauce!

[@Peasmouldia]

A pedant writes: Buying a guitar to sell for more than you paid for it isn't an investment, it's a speculation. An Investment pays a dividend while you own it. Thanks for the video, I've often wondered about the HB "b stock". I own a few HB guitars, and they're usually pukka. I've had guitars from national retailers at full price with annoying faults that I rectified myself rather than have the aggro of a return. HB are reputed to have a good returns system. I have pretty much every available wall space adorned with guitars on hangers for the reason you mention. I do keep more high end guitars, Gibbo LP, Custom shop Strat etc, in cases. As a result I do play them less than I should. Much appreciated, ta.

[@braddinsmore2696]

Thank you so much! You are right about guitar being a speculation rather than an investment. At best they are an investment in yourself and the joy and enrichment in your life. Thanks again!

[@johnsmith-nd9yo]

Purchased Harley Benton ST-62CC RW Inca Silver b stock.....blurred finish under the bridge.......saved $15.00 such a great guitar wish I hadnt gone cheap as the gloss/blur finish bugs me to the point I may buy again /A+ stock.

[@hueffel987]

We bought directly in the shop in Bavaria a Harley Benton Aeolus Bengal Flame as B-Stock (it was the last in stock). The 3-Way-Switch was not installed correctly. They could fix it directly.

[@braddinsmore2696]

That's awesome. Try before you buy is best. Those Aeolus guitars look amazing. They haven't been in stock for a while. If I sell another guitar, I may be in the market for one of those.

[@hueffel987]

@@braddinsmore2696 As your SC DLX Gotoh, the Aeolus has great Hardware. Both guitars were on our shortlist. For us the decisive factors were the look and feel of the roasted maple neck.

[@johnwashburn3793]

#1 Your keys are in your door 🔑 #2 please paint the headstock on the pink LP 💗 #3 This Washburn says I'm glad you laughed, but... Great video. I may try a Tele, always wanted one I have a 39 year old Washburn Tanglewood, rosewood and cedar. It is bound everywhere and beautiful to see, hear and play. A little odd neck but I am not one of those...

[@braddinsmore2696]

Thanks John! If I were a Washburn I would definitely have at least one - probably 2 or 3. Mine wasn't terrible, but it was a double humbucker metal machine and I was just learning chords. I'd probably like it more now than I did then. Thanks for the keys, I've been looking for those! Cheers!

[@CodyTheGuitarist]

Recently got a my first Harley Benton, a B-Stock EX-76. It had a few imperfections, a very small paint chip, a few of the upper frets were slightly rough, the edge of the pick gaurd was coming up a little bit, tuners we a little loose and the tailpiece of the tune o matic bridge isn't as held in place as firmly I'd like it to be. That being said, after adjusting the action the guitar plays perfectly and there wasn't a single problem that I couldn't remedy. For a 20$ discount I think it was worth it.

[@braddinsmore2696]

Cool! Glad you got one that works for you. My two B-stocks have become my favorites.

[@CodyTheGuitarist]

@@braddinsmore2696 Yeah, the more I play it the more I love it. I just cant get over how good mine is for 101$ (even if shipping added another 70$ to that). Im very impressed. HB just might be my go to brand now.

[@biglutherie]

Holy cow . You are a talker. Good for you. If you're not in sales, you may want to explore that avenue. Have a nice day.

[@braddinsmore2696]

Thanks for watching Lewis. I'm not in sales but working on my pitch nevertheless. Take care!

[@DMetal-yv6gl]

Left comment on one of your other videos, as I am looking at a Fusion-III with EMG pickups and it's a b stock, hence I am I terested in this video to see your experience.

[@braddinsmore2696]

Thanks. I've had good experiences with the b stock Harley Bentons. Other people have had issues. But from my experience and what I've learned from others is that it's not a bad option. Sometimes you can get an amazing value and I think sometimes paying $20 more to get a regular stock "blemish free" or closer to blemish free is worth it. Also b stock can be good if you can fix things yourself. The cool thing with the Fusion 3 is that the parts alone may be worth the b stock price. Best luck to you on whatever you decide!

[@23skidoo46]

I bought 3 of the HB 335 guitars all were b stocks and bought 3 of their Juniors and DC's and all were B stocks and not one problem with any of them. The pot stickiness is an ez fix. All of those b stocks i bought were all under $200 each. most around $170.

[@Steven_SK]

I agree with all your points. I own several HB guitars. Some are new but now I am only getting B-Stock ones. I'm looking for the budget of budget theses days, I have my "good" guitars, and you really can't go wrong with the price point and you lose nothing if a "small" defect is present as far a playability IMHO. At least with the ones I have bought. Like it as is or mod the ____________ out of it. Have fun is the game.

[@braddinsmore2696]

Thanks! Yeah, I have a few "collectable" name guitars and really one play one of them. I now have 5 Harley Bentons and play them just about everyday. I just got another HB B-stock two weeks ago - it's awesome! Nothing wrong, but maybe a little heavy for some. Rock on Steven!

[@kevinbyrne815]

Nice review too would like to see the guitar after you do the paint job on it keep us updated on that cheers

[@dukeofearl4117]

I have been looking at HB guitars for awhile.. I wind my own pickups so I don’t mind replacing them, because I know what I’m putting on the guitar. I like the Fusion models. After I pay off my current purchase I mighty go for a B Fusion.

[@Leo_ofRedKeep]

I bought one of the last SC-7 as a very discounted B-stock a couple of years ago. Its only issue was that the first buyer had failed to set-it up and the bridge was all wonky (all it had originally required was a truss rod adjustment). It looks good and plays well.

[@braddinsmore2696]

Good to know! Thanks. Those are interesting guitars. I've never tried a 7 string. And the angled frets intimidate me. But I'd love to try one.

[@Leo_ofRedKeep]

@@braddinsmore2696 The model was discontinued within a year. I think not too many were made. It has a basic design flaw in that the Tune-o-matic bridge limits the angle at which it can be mounted, which forces a sharper angle at the nut. That sharp angle makes playing the lowest fret somewhat less than comfortable. But the thinner body and longer scale make for a well balanced guitar and the neck is Wizard thin. The TE-7 (also discontinued) had a softer angle at the nut, thanks to a monorail bridge.

[@wombatmats]

Just got my b-stock sc-custom II black last week, and I couldn't find a single blemish. Definitely won't be writing them off in the future.

[@nethbt]

You guys are lucky in the US they don't put hefty taxes here in CANADA it is nearly impossible to get a good value Benton due to the absurd tax laws

[@edatkinson322]

Just ordered a Harley Benton B stock TE 70 Black Paisley for $50 off. I was going to buy the TE62DB but this was even cheaper and upgraded compensated brass saddles. So we’ll see. My first b stock purchase I have 2 other HB guitars and they’re impressive.

[@braddinsmore2696]

I hope it's a good one!

[@edatkinson322]

@@braddinsmore2696 me too this will be MY 3rd HB

[@mitchellskellie2473]

Im thinking about getting a b-stock HB-35 plus. I already have a HB te-52 and I LOVE that guitar. Sounds great, looks awesome, and the neck is to die for. I'm seeing mixed things about b-stock quality. The particular b-stock available is discounted 55 bucks. Something to worry about or go for it? let me know what you think.

[@braddinsmore2696]

Hard to say! I was really interested in those HB-35s myself but I heard a lot of mixed reviews regarding QC for regular stock. I would not expect it to be perfect at all. It might be worth it depending on your standards and ability to fix things. If it were me I'd probably just go A-stock with the HB-35. But who knows? Best luck to you on whatever choice you make.

[@sbrave]

You're lucky. I oprdered my first HB and it did show up fast, but the box was ALL tore up. I got right from the UPS guy, so I know it wasn't sitting outside. There was minimal packing inside as well. I ordered a B stock as well, and so far I don't see any chips or cracks etc. I got the Fusion III in purple, with the HH and Floyd Rose. The finish isn't quite as dark as in the photos, but it still looks pretty sweet and there's no gap in the veneer bookmatch, which is what I was worried about. Probably saved $75 on the B stock. As far as the knobs, I got the same ones, and one had fallen off in the box, but the other was tightened without being lifted off the body even just a hair, so it was hard to turn. Try removing yours (just need a small allen wrench) raise the knob off the body a bit and tighten it down. Should fix it.

[@braddinsmore2696]

Thanks. Yeah, the knobs on my TE 62 were really bad. I'll spare you all the details but they were broken in a couple different places/ways. So I am just replacing them. I've been fixing it up slowly. I've replaced/upgraded a lot. I'll probably show the updates in a video in a few weeks or so. Thanks for watching!

[@hawleybrowder4083]

I purchased a B-Stock SG style from them. It saved me $80 and I cannot find the flaw. It is a great guitar. I bought a HB135 Plus, full price and it came with a broken switch. So it’s a roll of the dice I suppose.

[@braddinsmore2696]

True!

[@tonyr669]

One of my favorite guitars is a black CST 24 Hardtail B Stock. I could not find a thing wrong with it. I think I got it for $160. I put it in a hard luck kings strat case. And I had it set up by my luthier and I had him change out all the wiring and pots, dress the frets, and set the action and intonation. I have since sold my three Paul Reed Smith guitars. I just play this one more and they were superfluous. I have about eight other Harley Bentons, half of them B Stocks, all great (with a little TLC).

[@braddinsmore2696]

Awesome!

[@2dazetake]

Pull the knobs up a little on that Tele,most likely just pushed down and rubbing on the control plate, you should pull the knob completely off the tone pot and tighten up the nut on the pot,most likely everything works just fine, often the knobs get smashed down during shipping,we never buy budget guitars with the intent of resale,but you can get most of your money back if you have to.

[@braddinsmore2696]

Thank you! I will try that. I did take off the control plate and have already ordered some replacement parts to upgrade. But that is good to know. So true about the resale. All the HB guitars around here fetch as much as new models. That's why I felt comfortable taking a risk - could sell it with little to no loss. Thanks again!

[@mraycgz]

I’ve heard of this happening on a Harley and the tight knob ended up being pushed down too far and was rubbing on the housing. Actually on that guitar I think it was on the pick guard.

[@braddinsmore2696]

Thanks! Yeah, I took off the control plate and found a few things. Basically the pots were totally loose. I think it was dropped or smashed based off of that and the near by scratch. I'm just going to redo the guts. No biggie!

[@someone_else303]

Thomann sells returns as B-stock. Thats why you can get flawless B-Stock guitars. If for any reason you don't like one, you can simply send it back and exchange it, or get your money back.

[@Nnmtes]

The other thing about buying a B-Stock guitar is that at least it is checked over by someone at Thomann so you know at least it must be ok to be re sold. If its crap, they wouldn't re sell it without putting things right. At least that's how i see it, and I've bought several new and B-Stock Harley Benton guitars over the years.

[@dawoud8013]

@15:55 yes ! perfect neck and frets (had the blue DB) ! the best that i have had ! but sadly the wood was too soft...

[@greenslider]

Harley Benton do single cuts really well I have three of them. My te52 is fine but the pickups are a bit warm for a tele. Haven't done a b-stock yet ( and there were tiny blemishes on all my HB's.. found when I really went looking hard) so your point is well made. HB tone knobs are a weak point in all my HBs. Pickups are great though.

[@karkmnopfler]

Agreed on the single cuts. Had one and also a strat and a tele. The tele is perfectly fine. The strat was an okay guitar but just not a strat in my book. Cant tell whe though, just did not feel it.

[@Mr.56Goldtop]

I've bought 2 HB B-Stock guitars, and I have never found any reason why they were B-Stocks. So, I don't know.

[@kevinbyrne815]

The two b stock guitars I got from Thomann Harley Benton’s have been ok one had a stain mark on back of neck it’s under the finish the other hadn’t a thing wrong

[@KENNA25]

I got b-stock dc600 6 just fine, great guitar. I even called them to ask about it, there returns.

[@nonrevnosnibormetalbeerrev6251]

Greetings from Northern Ireland brother 🤘

[@braddinsmore2696]

Rock on brother!

[@lovemonster8857]

I have 550 deluxe B stock its the best guitar I have ever had

[@braddinsmore2696]

That's awesome to hear. I've been playing both of these B-stocks exclusively for a month. I can't put that Tele down. Thanks for watching!

[@waynegodfrey6119]

Hell yeah get the b stocks , a little fix up might be a fav.

[@fedestrat2caster]

Nice review! Do you know how much it weights the tele custom? Thank you!

[@braddinsmore2696]

Thanks! The Tele weighs about 7 pounds. It might be a little less.My scale isn't super accurate. The SC-DLX reads 8 pounds on the same scale. It's very light!

[@fedestrat2caster]

@@braddinsmore2696 Thank you very much!

[@discocrisco]

Hoping to see a follow up vid on the paint job and pot fix. I'm still stuck on brands. I want to play the guitars my heroes play and seeing that name on the headstock feels good.

[@braddinsmore2696]

Thanks Discocrisco. I will post videos after I paint the SC-DLX and fix the TE-62. It may be another month before that happens. I totally get the brand thing. There's a lot to it and I'd be a liar if I said I wasn't still influenced by what my heroes played. I do have a J Mascis signature jazzmaster so I have no room to talk. But I like the spirit of affordable guitars.

[@zoostationjason]

Great video dude! Was wondering how their b stocks actually come! From one keen player to another

[@johnsmith-nd9yo]

Purchasd Harley Benton CST-24HB Tortoise Flam B-Stock.....covered in deep scratches, heavy use. $50 reduction.....

[@MashaT22]

Have you tried to put some nut lube on the tuners? I bet that’ll get them moving better! Is the Tele a 25.5” or 24.75”? You should be able to get the guitar replaced. The issue with the pots is more than cosmetic and was not disclosed before purchasing the guitar. You’re not saving much of anything if you have to buy parts and make repairs yourself, right? So I’d say either get them to make an even exchange . . . or see if they’ll send you free parts to make the repair yourself and offer you a discount on the pickups you want for the inconvenience. They’ll likely love the latter option because it’s cheaper to ship those parts and take a small loss instead of paying return shipping and sending a new guitar. Then everyone would be happy! 😉

[@braddinsmore2696]

Thanks. I haven't tried nut lube yet. It stays in tune very well so I'm not constantly re-tuning it. It's the traditional 25.5 scale length. Thanks!

[@Justkeepplaying7248]

I am also planning to order a bstock with a $30 discount. I am little hesitant if i should give it a go as I feel the bigger the discount, the bigger the issue could be in the guitar.

[@braddinsmore2696]

@@Justkeepplaying7248 tough call. Most b stocks seem to be normal returns with no major issues (or any issues at all). However, sometimes there are some deal breaking issues. One time I got a guitar that looked and played perfectly, but it weighed a ton (10 pounds). My guess is that whoever bought it returned due to weight. Sometimes I take a chance on a B stock (especially when adding to an order). If you're really excited about a guitar, I'd probably not go B stock. Hopefully it all works out for you!

[@Justkeepplaying7248]

@@braddinsmore2696 Little smarks, minor flaws, I can live with. I guess I will find out when I order. Appreciate you answering, man. Awesome skateboard and guitar collection btw! 🤘

[@melvynobrien6193]

On the fourteenth of August our Regiment was lost, And a ball from the enemy our lines came across, Oh it struck me in the temple, The blood trickled down, I wheeled and I staggered and I fell to the ground; Come here, says our Captain, come here with good speed, For I fear by this bullet young DINSMORE lies dead, Two men with a stretcher did quickly repair, And they carried me away to my hospital bed.---BONNY WOODHALL, sung by Andy Irvine.

[@lucabartoliniprof]

I bough my HB 15W tube Amp. It is a B-stock. Probably I was Lucky, but is perfect like a new ones. So I save 20%. I'm looking now for a Tele HB TE 62DB.

[@braddinsmore2696]

Great amp. I have the 5 watt version which I use for recording sometimes. I'd love to get the 15w too. As for the TE-62 DB I cannot recommend enough. Best value for a new guitar.

[@lucabartoliniprof]

@@braddinsmore2696 I'm agree about the 15W: fantastic amp for the money.Thanks for your advice about HB tele!!

[@Barbarapape]

Having rejected 3 Harley Benton CST24's for various defects, i am probably a creator of their B stock guitars. At the prices they charge i can live with and correct poor setups and cheap hardware, but not cosmetic issues. The cost of refinshing a guitar that meets my very high standards is just not worth the stress and expense of buying someones reject. Thomann refused to send me any more CST24's, so i waited until a mint unplayed one appeared on Reverb, so they do make some good samples, but far too many bad ones. In contrast, the Fusion 2 i bought was perfect, and only needed a fret polish and setup, i think the answer for me is to avoid the cheaper mosels.

[@braddinsmore2696]

Thanks Allen. I can appreciate this. If I wanted an absolute perfect finish, I think I'd stay away from HB because at their price point, their QC has practical limitations. Thanks for watching and the comments!

[@Barbarapape]

@@braddinsmore2696 Harley Bentons are clearly made to a price, and expecting a blemish free finish is asking a lot. I was lucky with the Fusion 2 and received a perfect sample. They save money by leaving the QC to the customers, this can be said of other brands costing far more. Many years ago it took me a long time to find a perfect Fender USA standard Strat. The only way is to inspect and try before buying.

[@scottguitarsuk23]

Hi Allan, I bought a CST-24 it was appauling, it had flaws within the finish, a bent tuner and the frets were really rough, I have just bough an Artist LP 59 which is a nice guitar, the first one came damaged courtesy of UK Parcel force, I had to wait a while for a replacement but the finish is flawless, just needs a fret polish which I don't mind doing.

[@Barbarapape]

@@scottguitarsuk23 I thought it was just me receiving bad samples of the CST-24, but after three with obvious defects that should never have left the factory, Thomann refused to send any more, i asked them why they had not inspected the 2nd and 3rd samples, but they did not reply. Re Parcel Force are well named, there are no good couriers these days, we have many problems with all of them at work. Great to hear that you are happy with your 2nd Artist LP 59, i was the same with my HB Fusion 2, all it needed was a basic setup, so they are capable of making good samples. From what i have heard, Thomann have now changed factories for the higher spec models, it's a shame that good samples of the CST-24 are hard to find.

[@dasmuss6174]

@@scottguitarsuk23 yeah mate Artist guitars are great, bloody good service too, I have a couple guitars and their 30 watt tube amp, all great products

[@deesnutz42069]

I got an older style EX-76 with the reverse headstock, and a te-20hh. the ex-76 was great, pretty much flawless. the te-20hh had GNARLY fret spout. the te-20hh was at least under $100, the ex76 was like $130, maybe a little cheaper because it was b-stock.

[@darrenflaxman7665]

Hi Brad, what paints do you use to overpaint artwork on guitars, was thinking of doing something similar.

[@braddinsmore2696]

Hey Darren, it depends. I've used different types for different jobs/reasons. The first one I did was with enamel paint, like you'd use on model cars, etc. Spray paints work well. Acrylic paints can work too, but you'll want to seal it. The main tip would be to paint "flat." Try not to have texture in the brush strokes. Then space a sealer over it to protect. Hope that helps! Let me know how it goes.

[@darrenflaxman7665]

@@braddinsmore2696 Perfect thanks Brad

[@andrewfrancis3591]

In Europe Thomann have a free postage no quibble return policy. Don't like it courier comes to your door to return it. So there is literally nothing wrong with many of their 'B' stock.

[@idealmethod]

funny i just bought 2 b stock hbentons. about 4 flaws on each one. may make video.... ex84s. i painted my shell pink. the great thing is with the satin shelll pink is.....assume the shell pink is ur primer- then buy a can of satin rustolium spray paint, give it 3 coats of satin and you will have a perfect satin finish no sanding or polishing required. pain in the ass if you have a gloss finish tho! a joy if ur spraying over satin pink.

[@braddinsmore2696]

Yes! I'd love to see your video and how your paint job turns out. Thanks for sharing!

[@pads-zr9ln]

I personally find them so cheap I won't take the risk on a b stock, especially with the shipping costs to the usa

[@BoltRM]

Same here, doesn't seem to be a large enough diff in price.

[@markbaum9615]

No shit...all to save 25 or 30 dollars I'm cheap ...too point....

[@ToCatchAVein]

I've wanted one of the SG shell pinks but have held off but is this that kinda shell pink that almost doesn't look pink at all? Curious cuz I love that shade to death it's like white with hint of pink is it more like that?

[@braddinsmore2696]

Yeah. It's pink, but very very light. I don't think it's a true shell pink. Most other shell pinks are a little more saturated. The pink is most noticeable against white things. It sounds like it might be the color you're after. It is a matte finish (just so you know). Looks cool with the gold. I'm not a huge SG style fan, but I'm tempted to get one of these Gohto DLX versions. Definitely a great value.

[@bassmana2z686]

Thanks for the great content. These HB's are great modding platforms. I have a Fusion T coming. Any of the faults you came across would not be a problem. Have you tried removing the HB stick on decals ? I'm not a brand snob, I want to put my own brand decal on the fusion. I will check out your artwork. Sub'd.

[@braddinsmore2696]

Thanks Bassman! I think you'll love that Fusion. I haven't tried removing the logos. I have a Fusion T and the logo appears to be on top of the finish. It looks like it might be a sticker. I don't know, but I think it may come off relatively easy. But it might make a mess of the finish too. The Fusion headstocks are glossy. Anyway, anything is possible with effort and determination. With that said, I love that mine say Harley Benton. Truly! Especially here in the States where they are not quite as common. Thanks again!

[@frankcarter6427]

I have a perfect looking B stock HB P bass and sent back an unplayable POS A stock mandolin

[@braddinsmore2696]

Thanks! I'll stay away from the mandolin!

[@frankcarter6427]

@@braddinsmore2696 the replacement they sent was OK, needed a set up and they were great about the return to be fair - the £80 P bass is phenomenal for the money

[@UCS0608]

I don't think every B-stock guitar has imperfections caused by the fact that they were sold before. Most of them were returned because many people just want to check them out and know they can return them without too much trouble. So most of these guitars either were good or had these imperfections anyway. Maybe there are some playmarks on some of them...

[@braddinsmore2696]

True! Some are "perfect" guitars that were bought and returned and some were guitars that have some cosmetic issues. I've had both. Thanks!

[@dovguitar]

`Great video! I'm waiting for a harley benton telecaster 62 b-stock myself, might do a quick video on my experience :)

[@braddinsmore2696]

Awesome. Let me know when you do. I'd love to check it out. I have two b- stock te-62 teles now. My first was great and I made a few upgrades to it. I loved the first so much I bought a second for $99 as an add on to another order. It's perfect except it's much heavier. Still it's fantastic, but I think the heavy weight was the reason for it being returned. Best luck to you and your te-62!

[@dovguitar]

​@@braddinsmore2696 Oh sounds promising! Have you done any upgrades? The one I'm getting is only 10 euros cheaper so I don't expect huge defects, but I feel getting b-stock is a bit of a lottery

[@braddinsmore2696]

@@dovguitar Yeah. On my black double bound TE-62 I made lots of upgrades. I will have to make a video sometime to show them all. But basically I replaced the electronics, pickups, and pickguard and bridge saddles. Not needed though! I am leaving my te-62 in charcoal frost stock (or shall I say b-stock). The biggest reason I modded the first was because the electronics were damaged to begin with. It was sort of a pain because I had to rout out wood to get the larger pots and cloth wiring in there. But it's now one of my favorite guitars.

[@dovguitar]

​@@braddinsmore2696 yeah that would be an interesting video. I read that in Harley Benton are usually not compatible with parts that were designed for Fender, so you need extra hand work to make them fit

[@braddinsmore2696]

@@dovguitar yeah. There are slight differences and some parts are not interchangeable without a mod. The pickguards don't fit. But everything else was fine. The body was slightly thinner too which made routing a little more risky. I did get a custom pickguard made for the TE-62 DB. I used a gotoh bridge/saddles which fit perfectly. This might be an upgrade, but it isn't needed. I added some Bootstrap pickups which sound great (but aren't needed). The Roswell sound fine. The tuners are fine and hold it in tune. And my nut was cut perfectly so I didn't replace - even though I have spare bone nuts.

[@joedavis8481]

Good video 🎸🤘🍻

[@braddinsmore2696]

Thanks Joe! 🍻

[@johnsmith-nd9yo]

i've had a few b stock harleys and its not worth it. I want to keep these guitars for years and years and living with faulty or damaged goods plays on my mind. I decided not to buy b stock again but fell off the wagon last week and purchased a sc dlx pelham blue and its a real mess, one tuner ripped off, rattles, pickup switch broke , tone pot wonky, and scratches on the finish. It needs to go back and that's a hassle for me. Pay the extra for A stock - these HB guitars are cheap as chips, and normally very good quality. If you get a good b stock you are lucky.

[@pauldavid22212]

Had 2 b stocks off HB. A sea foam Tele with roasted maple neck. Couldn’t find any defects at all. Also got a Matt black strat with active pups. It’s a dog, bridge is faulty, two slices out of the fret board and stand scratches on the back. Luck of the draw I guess.

[@robj4881]

The biggest problem with HB guitars is their hit or miss QC. You can get a gem or a real dud and a hell of a lot in between. Thomann/HB have a policy of you can return it if not happy and I have found their customer service to be good - no complaints there. This is why they have a lot of B-stock guitars: people buy em, try em and return quite a few of em for various reasons. I bought two A-stock guitars that I consider to be B-stock but the physical issues were easy to fix and the blemishes were minor. Thomann did refund me £20 on the one that had the worst issues. I'm in the UK/Europe so returning is less of a hassle and quicker than if you are in the US or Canada - plus you guys get hammered on import duty and State taxes reducing the low cost value of HB guitars. By the way, don't expect much resale value on any HB guitar no matter how good it might be! In short, if I lived in North America I would not buy Harly Benton from Thomann in Germany but I'm ok with buying from them from the UK. I had to return a duff new Blackstar amp to them as well and the refund took about two and a half weeks from day of return.

[@braddinsmore2696]

Thanks Rob! Yeah shipping is really the only issue. I can't speak for everyone else, but for me it was just an extra $73 total for two guitars. This does make it less of a good deal, but still very competitive and hard to beat here as well. I got both of these for a little more than $400. I think the SC-DLX is worth that alone. It is a gamble for sure. But I've had pretty good luck so far. Thanks for watching and the input!

[@michaelchristianson7743]

Why he keep stroking the tele neck?

[@braddinsmore2696]

Cause it's so nice! I just can't get over it! 😂

[@Vidar.m]

take the knobs off check if the nut on the pots are loose, thighten it !

[@braddinsmore2696]

Thanks Vidar. I did that. I've decided to replace the guts anyway. I really like it so I thought it would be worth the upgrade.

[@Vidar.m]

@@braddinsmore2696 i just ordered harleybentons DC-JUNIOR fat faded cherry

[@braddinsmore2696]

@@Vidar.m that's awesome. I haven't tried one yet but I want to. The fat neck makes it even more appealing. If I sell another guitar, I might end up getting one of those. I think they are now what their inspiration was originally - a good, simple, rock machine.

[@Vidar.m]

@@braddinsmore2696 have wanted a original but i would have to quit eating for a year 😂

[@braddinsmore2696]

@@Vidar.m 😂 seriously!

[@SuperSpear2009]

My b stock SC custom with floyd 1000, grovers ..best cheap guitar I ever bought.

[@braddinsmore2696]

Any noticeable blems? That's an awesome guitar.

[@jayteesgear]

No! Only HB regular stock. I bought a Fusion T and the neck is mangled!

[@stevepelham9010]

Somehow...they seems to have a lot B-stock of any brand, never had anything but B-C-D from (yes) but most people seems to be happy anyway I know because I was able to sell them quick fixed severly faulty ones with some profit on the top.

[@Funky85Mess]

I've had good experiences and bad experiences, their premium(gotoh/SC550/fusion/dullahan/etc) are always great, the others? not so much.

[@marcuswells2494]

I just bought a Harley Benton Fusion Tele, I adore the specs but there were some smudges and knicks in the finish upon arrival. Little irritating since I didn’t order a B-stock, and after emailing them back and forth(with pictures provided) and they informed me that at the $300 price point it’s acceptable to have those flaws in a brand new instrument. I can return it but that’s a whole fiasco and it breaks my heart since everything else I’ve bought from them has been fantastic. Feels like I’m getting the shaft, they won’t even let me exchange it for the same model. Since it “could possibly have the same defects” So I guess take Harley Benton/Thomann’s customer service with a large grain of salt. Maybe everyone blow up their social medias and make them correct these sorts of policies.

[@braddinsmore2696]

Thanks for sharing Marcus. Sorry to hear about your experience. Depending on how bad the blemishes are and how much they bother you, you might just return and ask for a full refund. I have a fusion T-HH that is pretty good. It's about 98% perfect. For me it works. Can't get anything close for the money, so a couple finishing things and a little personality it's a keeper. Thanks again for sharing! It's good to know.

[@marksvideochannel3592]

I think you're being a bit unreasonable. At that price, you should/could expect a slight defect or not 100% paint finish. I have bought a few B stocks and A stocks. For the price, I think it's more than okay. I just don't get the hangup on "Flawless Finish". Is it a show piece or a musical instrument for making/playing music? If its a showpiece, low end, made in China shipped semi-direct is probably not going to satisfy, nor should it come as a surprise especially not for "blowing them out on Social Media", If I see that, I tend to think the issue is the end user and not the supplier (within reason of course).........Each to their own I guess.

[@ldfox11]

Someone probably returned the single cut because they didn't like the color after receiving it.

[@braddinsmore2696]

I think you're right. It's really light for "shell pink." But a really nice color actually. I suspect that it will fade and change more over the years and eventually almost look off white - which would be cool.

[@NeoRichardBlake]

I've only gotten B stock from Harley Benton. I couldn't tell you what was wrong with any of them. 😂

[@stu-j]

99% of the time I buy the b stock and out of 5 guitars only one had a blemish and that was the dc junior in blue and it had 2 or 3 tiny black spots on it..

[@braddinsmore2696]

That's awesome. 5 for 5! That's hard for A-stock. I was tempted by the DC jr's too. I like a thicker neck. If I end up selling my guitar with p90s I will get one of those to replace it. Thanks!

[@stu-j]

@@braddinsmore2696 it's a fantastic guitar and one of my favourites at the moment. It's got a nice neck to be honest and not that far off my Gibson just a little slimmer towards the nut but it gets nice towards the middle. The pickup is nice and clear and loves a bit of overdrive. I did add a shim to it tho because it's so far away from the strings compared to my Gibson so added 4mm shim and that brought it to life!

[@sperl42]

Some of these guitars are just being sent back by the previous customer.

[@belkocik]

Even new harley bentons are sometimes worse than B-Stock. Got to return 2 new hb sc custom silver burst guitars.

[@braddinsmore2696]

Very true. Now those are B-stocks. Guitars under $300-400 new are pretty much always going to have QC issues. Some great. Most pretty good. Some bad. And a few absolutely terrible.

[@nigellacey559]

they add more discount each month until it sells.

[@braddinsmore2696]

Thanks Nigel! That makes sense. It's funny to see certain colors reduce the price while it's still a current model. I think the Shell Pink SC-DLX is one of the best values at Thomann.

[@ZitherBeast]

I have some 6 sub $200 dollar guitars and the Harley Benton just sits there unplayed. I can't see me ever buying another HB guitar.

[@braddinsmore2696]

Thanks for watching. What's your favorite sub $200 guitar?

[@ZitherBeast]

@@braddinsmore2696 The Slick Guitar. Solid body single humbucker in the bridge guitar.

[@braddinsmore2696]

@@ZitherBeast I just looked those up - very cool. Thanks for sharing!