Harley Benton Sells 2x12 Vintage 30 Cabinets For Less Than The Speakers

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[@SpectreSoundStudios]

Shot the HB 2X12 out against the Mesa 2X12, both sounded great. HB cab is a great deal.

[@clutchmasters3402]

Thanks for the input glenn, i usually tend to seek your opinion before a purchase anyway.

[@MsHashy420]

Glenn likes it. Im sold 😆

[@curtmurphy5374]

Who else read this in Glenn's voice! haha

[@cheomoralesguitarist]

I bought the 212 because of Glenn. Great purchase

[@BosbluzGuitarMethod]

fuck you glen....bought one!!!!...lol....you rock dude!

[@tiganman2009]

this is such a good deal, i might get one. i dont even play guitar.

[@Sound_Groove_of_America]

This guy is winning in life. I can tell by the comment lol

[@januszmynarczyk7108]

@@Sound_Groove_of_America humor this: get 4 of those cabs, disassemble, sell speakers brand bew unused under the sweetwater market value, make +25% or so :D

[@DMSProduktions]

@@januszmynarczyk7108 Yup, you WILL make more money BACK than what you spent! I have done this with budget combos. Enough to buy a much BETTER locally made speaker!

[@DMSProduktions]

@@tiganman2009 Paid.

[@Alex-yd7uv]

I was thinking the EXACT SAME THING

[@OE-jy6yt]

Time to build a wall of HB's.

[@stephendre2902]

O87E19 🤣🔥

[@riccardogaspari3265]

back when I played death metal i 2013 I used to run a full stack of HBs. I paid 600€ for them, Rocktron Piranha and Rocktron 50:50, massive rig for less than 1000€

[@kirkthechugmasterjolly8051]

that would be so badass

[@Phoebedumplings]

If Thomann says they’re Celestion, they are Celestion. Can’t say enough good things about Thomann. You should go there Phil, you would love the Bavarian country side

[@01Revanche]

Well Bavarian? It's not in the south but in the north ofGermany, and for the production you proberbly should wend to China! But honnestly who cares? As long they're are keeping their lowpriced quality goods (i bought a HB D- 120CENT www.thomann.de/nl/harley_benton_d_120ce_nt.htm) because i didn't believe the all so possitive reviews, only too come to the conclusion that its overall real!!

[@moki2093]

@J Thorsson how is this related?

[@mantelmann13]

@J Thorsson Warmonger

[@stanlee5465]

I think he's been there for GuitCon?

[@BertGrink]

J Thorsson sounds just like a nazi himself.

[@greenchilaquiles]

This is Harley Benton's version of Costco's hot dog and soda for $1.50

[@letzrok1016]

Perfectly said.

[@kevintingzon]

i still prefer the chicken bake

[@JInfinity7]

Phil says this very thing. It has a marketing term: "loss leader." Several big box retailers sell popular products at a loss to sell you more profitable items down the line.

[@chrisg0001]

Nope, it's Costco's rotisserie chicken at which they sell for a loss and often give coupons for free ones

[@rubenfernandezcampos8648]

That's the dayly meal of everyone chinese worker. For sure!

[@soulagent79]

Surreal. Here in Germany we've known Harley Benton since the late 1990s as Thomann's cheap housebrand, now it's twenty years later and even America is buying HB's stuff.

[@JbfMusicGuitar]

I only started to hear about the brand in the past few years here in Scotland, glad that I finally have!

[@soulagent79]

Actually the brand's origins are even older. Way before Thomann started selling Harley Bentons (and way before the internet-age), there was another huge German retailer, who had a housebrand called "Jim Harley". After that seller had gone bankrupt in the mid 90's, Thomann bought up what was left of him and renamed the brand "Harley Benton".

[@JbfMusicGuitar]

@@soulagent79 Alright that's pretty cool, thanks for the info :)

[@rainofficial1924]

@@soulagent79 thank God, now I know what is my harley guitar is.

[@TheEchelon]

20 years is a long time though... So it's not really that surreal.

[@f0ckdumont]

This is how you built yourself a reputation, great brand.

[@nonchalantstu54]

Seriously, Harley Benton is about to take all of my tax money. I'm getting three guitars and this cabinet for under 1k!

[@tatethompson1234]

I bought the single cab 12 inch for my Orange Micro Terror. Great cab. $150 shipped to my door from Germany to here US, can't beat that.

[@vikingbluesbreaker729]

I was thinking of doing the same with the dark. How did it sound?

[@tatethompson1234]

Jonathan Benway I’ve owned super reverbs, twins, Jcm’s, vox, etc. I plugged in the micro terror in to the cab and holy shit! The muddiness went away and amazing warm crunch tone! My favorite new rig!

[@vladanm.1352]

I had the horizontal one. Changed the jacks almost immediately. They seemed really cheap and I didn't want to let the powered signal from amp burn through them. Also reinforced the whole cab because it seemed little "floppy" sometimes. After these mods it was really amazing for the price. I'm from Czech Republic so the price was even more ridiculous - somewhere around 200$ (with the delivery) back when I bought it

[@Ricky21mt]

This cabinet is amazing, I own this exact one and I can assure you, it’s the real deal y’all!

[@Endstation93]

It is very good and the 4x12 one was my main Cab for nearly 8 Years. But now i have an Engl 4x12 and it sounds a lot better. It is a lot punchier and not so fizzy. But for the price it is amazing!

[@colebowman2833]

How can you assure us it's real though? You only said that it is. Is there some way you were able to find out?

[@Ricky21mt]

Cole Bowman you can take my word for it and watch the tons of KZbin reviews on it. Obviously, the only way to know if a piece of gear will work for you is to try yourself. But having such a good reputation and word of mouth does wonders.

[@garycrant4511]

@@colebowman2833 live with your suspicions and miss out, or trust these good folks and get a real bargain. its that simple...

[@colebowman2833]

@@garycrant4511 I'm not trying to argue with you Gary. It's not important enough. I don't trust companies and I don't buy suspicious products. There's nothing wrong with the question I asked. I want to know how he knows. If he doesn't know, that's fine. I don't care. And if I miss something because of that, it doesn't matter and it's not the end of the world.

[@AndrewAHayes]

The savings are made by not having anyone in the middle handling distribution

[@yungchill69]

They also save costs by not doing alot of advertisement, just letting the product speak for itself. I like that.

[@LosTroopos]

And huge quantities. I kinda expect Thomann to be biggest buyers of Celestion V30s at this point.

[@heavyjoechipman3594]

That makes total sense. Absolutely😊👍

[@Deliquescentinsight]

Yes, once again the global middleman of the World Wide Web 'disrupts' the old chain of profit, precisely

[@VintageSlide]

It also applies to their Harley Benton guitars. They used to be bad, but now the quality and quality control have much higher standards than what they used to be. I own a HB TE-52 tele. It’s way better than my Fender mim standard tele in every way. And goddamn, it under $150 new. And yeah, it’s all about having no middle men. I cannot believe how good their stuff is these days.

[@jakemitchell1671]

What a great time to be a guitar player!! I started in the '70s when music equipment may have been at its most expensive era when adjusted for inflation and compared against average income. Things are so much cheaper these days it's just CRAZY! These brands also REALLY shine a light on products such as those from Fender's Custom Shop - of which I own two. I love both my CS Telecasters, but at 5x the price of my Fernandes teles they really only are marginally better and certainly they don't produce better MUSIC! And I'm thinking these HB guitars might be similar to the Fernandes, especially the later ones.

[@nicholascremato]

Yes it is real. I have been in the loudspeaker design industry and the wholesale price of a speaker driver like the Celestron Vintage 30 is 15 dollars.

[@christiancibulka1886]

Yeah it's like a lot of audio stuff, it's very inexpensive to manufacture.

[@hadleymanmusic]

@@christiancibulka1886 in mass

[@IRieAsAVirus37]

Word I can see that. Ha some companies charging 250-345 for one low watt speaker ehh but no difference whatsoever then one $200 less

[@gjganotisi]

I bought a pj bass from them last year and since then I've bought that cab, a Les Paul copy, prs copy, tele copy, and looking into their 800w bass head. I can't believe how good their products are!!!

[@dannyv.6358]

Would like to see the inside construction if it wouldn't be to much of a hassel! Thanks in advance🤟😁

[@gabrielledebourg2487]

I have the 1x12 cab (now with a G12H30) and I’m so happy with it. Fun analysis, which sounds rather spot on and one that seems to work: here in Sweden Harley Benton cabs are EVERYWHERE, because for what you get it’s just so much. I see people use the cheap price of them by getting the V30 and changing speakers and then selling the V30 used.

[@princenothingofficial]

Hey dude, i just want to compliment your work here. I got ADD and it's hard to keep track of things and stay on task. Your videos have been a huge help to me. Your set up and review style is very entertaining and i followed along the whole time. I loved it. Instant sub!

[@heavyjoechipman3594]

I'm seriously thinking about getting a 4×12 for my old JCM900 head thats sitting without a cabinet. I'm very impressed by what I hear. When you've played a long time, you recognize certain tones. And I hear nothing but "goodness" coming out of yours. Even on video. Great review!😊👍

[@AlbusBand]

I work retail (GC) and it’s nice to see a company make less per unit, with the thought being that they’ll move more, rather than selling less product, but covering more ground with each sale. Plus, as you said, they’re shining a big spotlight on the brand, which in today’s market is no small feat. Very well thought out and executed plan 👏👏👏. Thanks for sharing this Phil. -Aaron

[@mrpres17]

I got one of these awhile ago as a recommendation from spectre studios. I spoke with a guy who did world tours and he said it was the best 212 cab he'd ever heard. I dig the tone!

[@dennislbrown]

Hey Phil, I have the side by side version of that cab, I've pulled the back panel, and yes, it is definitely plywood. The tolex is very lacking on these, and like you said, easy to scratch or damage, but for the price, they are impossible to beat. I keep my Fender Supersonic 22 head sitting on top, but have been known to plug my Blues Jr. into it as well. I haven't tested for high volume (vibration) but I've had mine for 3 years now, with no worries. One note about Thomann: If you buy multiple items, they only charge you shipping once. I bought mine with a Harley Benton Vintage J bass, and they only charged $34 total shipping to the US. I probably need to do a video on both of them, as they both are tremendous values.

[@LarryMar]

Particle Board will swell and crumble when in contact with water. Plywood will just warp when in contact with water, and is "much lighter" than Particle Board. If you want a good sub-woofer for your home or car use Particle or MDF for the enclosure. Want a good sturdy lightweight speaker cabinet then use Plywood.

[@aarons.8532]

I can vouch for the one without the 30's. I bought one for smaller gigs and it sounds great. I wanted something different since my 4x12 cab has 30's. Totally worth it.

[@13bluestars]

I got one before Christmas 2018. It's great. I put some casters from Home Depot, and... it's awesome!

[@guitarmac79]

I have the horizontal 2x12 and it's great. Handles my Mesa dual rec like a champ!

[@PursuitSk8]

Me too man. I use one with a power amp and a line 6 pod with cab sim off and it's so much better

[@robbievalentine8239]

Hey gang! After seeing this video I bought this cabinet, and then ve had it about 2 weeks. I play an evh lbx 2 with a full band, and have compared it to the stock evh212 cab, and a carvin legacy 212 I've given it, on estimate, 30-40 hours of play time at stage volume. I do NOT think it sounds like my legacy cab, even tho they both have celestion v30. Legacy are UK made, HB are Chinese. First noticeable difference is the HB cab is lower in volume, tinnier on the highs, and less round on the lows. It's night and day with the evh cab but that was expected. The speakers are totally different. I may need more time to break in the speakers, but imo it sounds fine for the price, definitely a budget cabinet.

[@joshuatucker6214]

I have the horizontal v30 HB cab and it sounds almost as good as my mesa 212 for the price and what you get you can't beat it

[@dirtyharry1881]

I have it. Doesn't sound like a Mesa . Not when you mic them

[@BaldyMacbeard]

I've owned a Vintage 30 loaded "g412a vintage" and have a lot of trouble imagining that. Compared to my V30 loaded Engl Pro, it sounded like shit. Even close mic'd, there was a big difference.

[@1972LittleC]

@@dirtyharry1881 read! He doesn't say it sounds like, but as good as. Huge difference. And maybe you're using a mic that colours your sound a bit...

[@LaDrouille64]

I have the HB cab, the mesa recto and an evh and what I Can Say is that this cab IS only good considering the price of it... If you plug an high gain amp with low end frequencies it will sucks... When I pluged my mesa head in it, it was impossible to dial a good tone and when I purchased the mesa recto 2x12 it was night and day! I would Say this is not a Bad cab for soft stuff but really not for metal. You will think it IS as good as other but when you try a high end cabinet you absolutely know why they are expensive

[@dirtyharry1881]

@@1972LittleC Why so much attitude? I was offering another perspective for potential buyers. I did read what he says, it says "almost sounds as good as". That could also mean mic'd. And I'm saying it's not as good. I use an SM57 like most, I also have a Heil PR20 mic specifically for guitars and I've got 3 different preamps. Do us all a favor and take your snarky attitude elsewhere please...

[@audioengineer86]

I have both cabs, the V30 and the regular one, both horizontal. I like both. I bought the G212 with the idea in mind that it is much cheaper than an unloaded cab and I can load it with whatever I want. It's not as pristine in the highs as the G212V, and not as tight in the lows, but for $180 shipping included I won't complain at all.

[@iniquity7]

I don't get why some people hit the dislike button. What is the possible problem with this video how can u not like it at all? He showed u a piece of equipment. What is there not to like?

[@brandonhuisman4351]

Super Mecha Death Christ had to dislike this comment for laughs 🤪

[@sdlatson]

Harley Benton is one of a few companies he's made videos about that have been considered a "best kept secret" by gearheads. These videos are going to make these insane deals go up in price. I didn't hit the dislike button, but there is a part of me that hates to see these videos get the views they do.

[@hoboroadie]

Aside from trolls or other insane people, at some point statistically there are a few klutzes gonna thumb the button wrong or inadvertently. I have a hell of a time fighting this "smartphone" interface. Also could be a hater trying not to deal with some jealousy of a better product than what he paid too much for? I've been hearing some irrational sounds from that camp. I totally appreciate these, but not for me I guess I am running AlNiCo

[@christopherlord3441]

I bought my daughter a Harley Benton PRS copy, she loves it to bits. Whatever they are doing, they are doing it right.

[@armikm9846]

I cannot find the "Cabinet made in china" song. Any links? At 1:14

[@NeilDjents]

ARMIK M lma0

[@flimbonimbo7259]

It's a rare unreleased song. This is the only version that can be found on KZbin.

[@clannadcannedbread6932]

ARMIK M I don’t think that’s really a r/wooosh.

[@roypetty3739]

LMAO

[@thebrawnysquirrel6344]

@@armikm9846 r/woooosh back at you lmao

[@DiegoRamirezrocks]

I bought one last August. In my case it came broken. Now i wasnt sure who was responsible for it.. Although i would not be shocked it was the USPS. That said i opened it all up and saw the plywood was cheap and the cabinet was put together with very thin staples. That said i recently moved to a house with a nice garage. i took it apart had to fix a crack in the wood and put it back together using screws and i added some casters while i was at it. I can confirm they are vintage 30s due to this. Also that all said even broken this thing sounds amazing. I used it with 3 amps a three channel mesa boogie and compared it to my mesa 4x12 cab. A 6505mh and the prs mt15. I use it primarily with the latter and it's such a perfect pairing. So even with the issue I would still recommend it. You arent going to get anything this good at this price.

[@CollieTheViking]

Hey Phillip, just checking in to say I bought the horizontal 2x12 after this stellar review and I am in love!! Man for the price I cannot believe the quality of this. I have a 1968 Fender Bassman running through it and that break up point on the head unit is killer on this thing.

[@lovecraftmusic8717]

I have the horizontal version of this cab for 7yrs now. Swapped the V30's (because I hate them with all my heart since they're all about fizziness especially with bright NON high gain amps like my Jcm800) in favor of a g1265 and a g12m65 creamback. Love it.

[@lovecraftmusic8717]

@@aliengrey6052 in my case it's more about speakers.

[@LordFuzzman]

HB have been doing this with vintage 30s in their cabs for a few years! That’s why I buy their cabs used and steal the speakers for better cabs👍🏻

[@MrRewski830]

I have this cabinet. It is fantastic!!! To say the least, I was taken back at how well this cabinet performs. Hard to believe.

[@malcolmhardwick4258]

I was gonna buy a Celestion speaker to fit to my amp. Thst was until i found out about these Harley benton 1x12 cab for less money than what the speaker alone was gonna cost me. Had it for over a year and its a great buy ☺

[@null2405]

I picked up one 2nd hand for £50, was sure that when I popped it open it would have the speaks swapped with something cheaper, but nope, still had the V30's in. Was also suprised how well made the cab was made for its price. Best eBay find to date!

[@guitarathomewithremy6064]

I've been looking at this and you put me over the top. Like you say, the speakers cost about what the whole thing goes for. Worst case scenario I can build my own cab or recover/grill theirs. Even if it gets beat to hell on the way here, if the speakers are ok I'm not really out anything.

[@beatleme2]

in the 70's and 80's..i pulled those speakers out for JBL d120f speakers - nowadays i use a 1 12 red knob tube amp from the 80's with one d120f - back then u needed the big cabs now days the PA mics everything in large outdoor venues and these are used as fake cabs mostly..nice cabs for a permanent location tho..but to haul around..na

[@tarkenton3895]

Everyone on about the bowling for soup riff but the shinedown riff is what got me 👌

[@Cole-ek7fh]

Tarkenton but whinedown is for not men.

[@tarkenton3895]

@@Cole-ek7fh oh I know, but it was aa nostalgia trip nonetheless

[@redukonio]

Playing the vertical v30 2x12 cab for a few years now. Is available here for a long time now. There was no vertical one back then ... would love that. Super fat sound and well built. Get it.

[@lije927]

Welp I was looking at a $490 orange cab, same specs, but HB is getting my money now....

[@jasonandrews8400]

Buy the orange.You won't regret it. I love my ppc2x12 and ppc4x12. They are awesome.

[@jacobbrown1690]

if you gig it u will regret it..

[@jasonandrews8400]

@@jacobbrown1690 gig with the orange and regret it?

[@MrDussek]

Brandon Ivey absolutely true! you’re just paying for the brand name at that point

[@TheJMan1K]

dirtyhit187 I’d say you’re paying more for the construction

[@richiebricker]

Thanks for all your knowledge and interest in sharing the "inside" industry secrets most of us dont kno about. Might be a perfect fit for my SMARVO 110(Randall) 1x12combo

[@jameswright2230]

Kudos on that G&L Phil.

[@philclarke7712]

Harley Benton do a version 😜

[@Aarlog]

Celestion still does make V30's in England, though they're specifically made for Mesa (and maybe MIB Orange?) cabs. You can still buy the MIB V30 through Mesa's online store page for the same price as the current MIC version.

[@johnnytheblacksmith6932]

i thought the vintage 30s are made in china , and the only celestions made in the uk are the alnico ones , maybe i'm wrong ?

[@maxwellwinter2114]

I have the 112 version and it is amazing! i will probably buy the vertical 2x12 because omg they are so good and have the best speakers

[@funnyassguitarguy69]

You can't make up how CRAZY a deal that is! I have seventy 80's in my Blackstar amp and cab and I'm pretty happy with them. Although, I sure wouldn't mind vintage 30s in them LOL

[@KeithMilner]

I have the 1x12 version of this, and it's excellent.

[@tubaljohn1]

I love that you check out these odd finds. For me personally (I plan on getting one now), the skin will come off! Bare wood, and speakers. I think it would really pop out in my studio with maybe an Orange head. Thanks for posting.

[@maxwellwinter2114]

Can you review the Harley benton fusion with the flamed roasted maple neck?

[@rainofficial1924]

Very curious about ss fret quality

[@tugginalong]

I bought a HB Les Paul gold top. I call it the copper top. I took mine to a party to show a couple of guitar friends and they ordered one that night. We’re in the US. I’m about to order this cabinet.

[@stevenaustin4591]

I bought the Harley Benton 1x12 Celestion a while back and its by far my fav cab to date!

[@dcbluez4883]

I did some work at an amp company in China that build fantastic amps for several major brands. The speakers come in full containers so its a lot of speakers per shipment/order and the price drops based on huge volume. Thats how its done. Buy 10,000 speakers at a time and the price drops per unit.

[@simondeobald2524]

Well - I have the 1x12 version of this, which is pretty nice and small. I thought of getting this vertical 2x12 one but.. well... the 1x12 is great, too. By the way: The horizontal one (those Thomann uses in all their guitar youtube videos) is even cheaper and offers stereo inputs while the vertical one is to be preferred for its form.

[@cvexOCE]

Got a Harley Benton 2x12 with V30s shipped to Australia about 7 years ago... even with the shipping cost, it was still the best deal on a quality cab I could get, even against the used market. Fantastic value, solid build quality and sounds great... I have run a Bugera 333XL, Marshall DSL5 and Orange Micro Dark through it - great clarity, no fizziness when cranking the gain, nice chunky low-end for rhythm too.

[@nelsonporter8387]

I've got a Harley Benton te-30 Tele style guitar.$126 shipped and it's just about as good as my Fenders!

[@reficul1984]

Is it made like the tele and does it have the same twang tone?

[@nelsonporter8387]

@@reficul1984 Its an amazing guitar! 21 fret satin maple neck- 2 single coils with 3- barrel bridge-Mother of pearl scratch plate and beautiful see-thru vintage blonde finish. This guitar is WAY beyond a $93 guitar!

[@nelsonporter8387]

And yes it's got twang- and it rocks with my rig!

[@gcarlson]

I'm rebuilding my set up, and had settled on buying speakers separate and building a vert 212 from ply salvaged from my job site. (I used to have a Mesa vert 212 with the metal grill) Plus, I used to live in Seattle, now I'm on Maui. Shipping is tough. I heard about this company, sent them an email asking if the shipping would still be as cheap, and they said yes. I was pretty much sold on it, but now I'm all in. Your logic works... brand recognition. Get em while their cheap!

[@StormTroy]

Lmao at 5:25 Girl All The Bad Guys Want by Bowling For Soup

[@ThatOneGuy21223]

I thought i was the only one that noticed

[@codykensington1424]

She wears a 2 way and I'm not quite sure what it means.

[@jielyu4943]

I just bought a Harley Benton jazz bass. It’s $160 and it’s so good. Easily beats a $400 squire and comes very close to a $700 MIM Fender. Would totally recommend it.

[@Damaged262]

PHIL! Sssssssush! I can't afford it right now Don't let them know they've been noticed, I'm trying to save up for the PRS fake, not to mention a cab!

[@dluten100]

I bought one of the 1x12 Vintage 30 HB cabs over a year ago for my Tubemiester 18. OMG it's an amazing cab for the money. No issues, sounds great and very well made. I also use it for my Micro Dark. I would have gone with the 2x12 but living in a apartment, I don't really have the room. If anyone is looking for a quality cab on a budget, it's hard to beat the HB Vintage cabs.

[@vapporiesat3125]

price went down to 222..... i recently bought a used G212 vintage (horizontal).... it is just good. also much louder then the 212 i also have which has eminence legends in it. i also used to have the version that does not have the vintage 30s in it.... it was just bad. the. worst. speakers. ever. i learned what "ice picky" sounds like from that speakers.

[@ransombaggins9301]

Just bought the horizontal version for $202. Such a great deal, especially for a total casual amateur like me who really doesn’t even need this but, you know, G.A.S. The stereo mode on the horizontal looks cool, and I can add some feet to the end and turn her sideways when I want. Also, this being my first cab, I’ve opened up the door to amp heads! Woo how! Can’t wait for delivery!

[@corygoff9996]

Phills playing Shinedown? What is this madness?

[@tomtaylor9731]

Was just about to say the same thing!

[@patricm]

i came to read the comments to see if someone already commented that :D

[@s6p6]

@@patricm internet on väike 🕵

[@patricm]

@@s6p6 Mida sa selle all mõtled?

[@someoneyoudontknow3257]

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[@brandonnkylerblake7315]

I'll never know because after 3 months of waiting I told them just send everything without the cabinet really hard to get the cabinet in stock. After them pushing back the date for the third time I'm over it

[@scootertrasher1369]

Harley Benton G412A Vintage, w 4 vintage 30s, $375+ $33 shipping

[@neilrodgers1488]

It really is an awesome cabinet:) I've got one paired with an Orange cr120 head and it sounds killer. My buddy liked the cab so much he bought one to replace his aging halfstack. Now the other guitarist in my band is talking about getting one! Can't say anything negative about it and the size and weight is perfect. Big enough for huge sound but small enough to lug around with out to much hassle.

[@mavrek808]

Thank you for that Bowling for Soup riff

[@M3Z4C]

Harley Benton (Thomann) do this all the time. You can get some guitars/amps/cabs cheaper than the price of individual parts. If they are selling a ton, they either discontinue a product or raise the price. I have that Fender HRD clone that was like 285 dollars, and sounds amazing (i have the real HRD to compare it to).

[@dingdong6069]

I just got two of the 1 x 12 Cabinets loaded with the Celestions. They're just brilliant. Especially for the money. Everyone take advantage of these "Loss Leaders" while they're doing them. If not... well it's your loss.

[@willcresson8776]

Don't be fooled, this isn't a loss leader. Harley Benton is making money on these. Most guitar cabinets are just insanely overpriced/marked up (see literally the same cab from orange for $500). You can get those celestion speakers for like $40/ea if you're buying (iirc) a hundred or more at a time. Hell, if you're buying ten or more you can get them for less than $100. HB is buying them in the thousands, if not tens of thousands. Theyre likely getting them for a song.

[@dingdong6069]

@@willcresson8776 Yes you're absolutely right. Its why I called them "Loss Leaders" in inverted commas and capitals but maybe should have explained or qualified that with more detail. I worked for over 25 years in musical instrumental distribution so have been involved in quite a few "loss leaders' myself over the years. Yes the economies of scale will allow them to buy in bulk at highly discounted rates but they have 'skimped' on the cabinet. Your robustly solid Orange would tour very easily. These Harley Benton's? Hmmmm.... I'd be taking a couple of spares with me put it that way. But they do sound the business!. They really, really do.

[@willcresson8776]

@@dingdong6069 you bring up some very valid points, vis a vis rigidity, but on the other other other hand you could alove that pretty quick with a trip to the hardware store and some wood screws and barely be any the poorer. I think I get what you meant though, that they could over charge for it (and it would still sell and be a good deal relatively speaking), but they don't because it's good publicity and leads to more over all sales down the line?

[@dingdong6069]

@@willcresson8776 Absolutely! The idea is that you're so happy with your incredibly value for money Harley B's even if just for practice/recording that next time you're in the market for whatever your first point of call is Thomann. One thing I'll point out that many are not aware of is the warranty situation. For such as myself being in the UK I have of course happily purchased off German based Thomann many times. All well and good. However, if I have any issues - even if the product is still under warranty - then I am liable for getting the product back to Germany. Not Thomann. People often refute this but I simply cite the example of buying a pair of trousers. You go to the store, select them, pay for them and take them home - but - for whatever reason you have to return the trousers a few days later and the store happily replaces them for you with no quibbles. So you go home happy again with your new pair. But its cost you gas/petrol to drive there and back. Maybe even to park. Or you may have had to buy a return ticket on the bus or train. The store does not refund or compensate you for that. You do it under your own steam. So you are invariably out of pocket. So the thing to consider when buying off Thomann (unless you're in Germany of course) is the "what if it goes wrong?" question. Ok, some strings or a strap or even a cheap 1 x 12 cab you might take the hit on. Doesn't matter if it breaks just buy a new one. But if your purchase is a considerable sum and the product one that may need fixing or repairing then it needs to be factored in before you make the transaction and consider the store in town, even though its more expensive might be a better option warranty wise. Hope that helps!

[@shawnshipstad8883]

It is real, I bought the 2x12 slant cab with v30s. It cam i about 3weeks, no customs charges or additional freight. It was 35.00 -everything converted to Euro dollars. Fast cheap. Buy lots of cables they are cheap and great.

[@MesaGuitarGuy]

wow! I don't even need one but I'm gonna buy one! Thanks Phil!!

[@guitarandmore69]

I bought a Randall RV412A 4x12 cabinet with two V30's and two G12T-75 a few years ago. Brand new for $499.99 shipped to my door from Reverb. I too believed up until watching your video, that the speakers were fake.

[@IlNeige]

Dang, Phil. Busting out the Bowlijg for Soup riffs.

[@jebreski]

Il Neige I was gonna point that out!!

[@kronabus199a]

I was awesomely surprised when Phil brought that riff out! Hell yeah!

[@HellionBlade90]

they're his favorite band after all :)

[@CormacTunstead]

Just got myself the horizontal cab recently also. They're amazing!!! I use it for my kemper & the sound is fantastic. It's so light & has the option of 8 ohm to 16 ohm. If anyone is think of getting this but on the fence, JUST DO IT!!!

[@quadfather_]

Finally a reputable review from a trusted source! Thanks Phil!

[@kevinblythe2192]

Great price but from comments I have seen there are no screws used in the internal construction (only glue) so may not stand up to any kind of travel. Back is glued in as well. Speakers are fine as long as the cab holds together.

[@rockerbob949]

Damn for that price I’d get 2!!!

[@Superjet113]

They also have a 4x12 w/vintage 30's for $373... :)

[@m7alan7johnson7]

Phillip...so weird! The cab looks like a 4x12 setting way back in your room and then your hand reaches...INCHES and touches it. What a mind trip, lol! It took a while to get use to this style cab. Love what you do. Thanks

[@jamesf2918]

That’s actually pretty damn impressive. I am curious though, did you break the speakers in before recording this demo? I know you have mentioned that process on a live stream before.

[@geraltofrivia4890]

Still $235 in 2022. just got mine for my engl fireball 25. loving the micro setup!

[@icenic_wolf]

All you have to do to understand Thomann's tactic on this is to look up "loss leader" in wikipedia. ;-)

[@thehound2161]

Indeed. This cabinet and many of the Harley Benton products are priced to sell and increase the brand awareness and get you set with a Thomann account and keep your business. They got mine and continue to hold it. I feel like a win every time i order from Thomann.

[@davidrussell8918]

Partical board is heavy ,its mostly glue plywood is much lighter .

[@TheRealRichardBlack]

Ok, I'm sold. This a far better deal that buying anything even remotely similar locally. $370 aud delivered. You can't even get an empty cab for that price here in Australia. I was initially looking to put my old 90s celestions into a new 2x12. I like this option much more. I'll still do the change over one day but for now, take my money.

[@Dreyno]

The term you’re looking for is “loss-leader”.

[@bradbiggar6285]

i just bought HB 4 x 12 with Vintage 30's and i think its a great deal. The build quality inside the cab is not the greatest but nothing a little carpenter skills cant sort. I've sealed it up inside, reinforced and it sounds great, better than when i bought it. Cant beat it at the price.

[@soulstringer]

Just curious, when you took the back off to confirm that the Vintage 30s are real, did you also confirm that the back panel is also made of plywood like the housing is?

[@PhillipMcKnight]

No back panel, The speakers are from loaded on to a plywood baffle. So the whole cabinet is ply.

[@Nellil]

The V30's in Harley Benton cabs are made in China and sound very different to the UK made ones...

[@Ppuffdiddleydangdoof]

Phillip, thank you. After watching this video I went to Thomann's site. The Single Cut Guitar Kit (shaped like a Les Paul), was $77. Holy crap, Really? I've always wanted to build a guitar. At $77, how could I go wrong? Even if I constructed it poorly and it played terribly, I'd still have gone thru the process of building a guitar. So I bought the guitar kit, even though I really came for a cabinet. At $225 for the 2x12 cab loaded with V30 Celestions, I Couldn't go wrong there either! They arrived today in California, from Germany, in 5 days. Just when they promised them. The total with freight came to about $400. The cab sounds great and I've got some study to do before starting the guitar project. The cab sounds beautiful. I run a Bogner Atma w a 1x12 cab and wanted to see what a larger cab would do, but didn't feel like gambling $500. It's a much fuller sound, commensurate with the increase in cab size. After a short time playing it, I find that it's a bit brighter than my Bogner 1x12, which is also closed back. You feel the music more, (which was what I was looking for), because of the sloped face and height, I believe. As noted in some videos on the cab, the fit and finish aren't what one might expect from a Marshall or other big name cab. If this matters a lot to you, you may not be satisfied with one of these. If you wanted an inexpensive art project, you could tear off the Tolex and grille and you'd have a blank canvas, that sounds great. I'm less concerned with looks and it looks like a dynamite bargain to me. Thomann's was absolutely superb. This was one of the simplest, fastest transactions of my life. I will absolutely shop there again and would recommend them to anyone. And If you're thinking about getting some of their gear, I wouldn't wait. I believe they've set ultra low prices to get their name out there and develop brand recognition. As other's have stated, the speakers alone would cost ~$275 a la carte from Sweetwater, today. At these prices, demand may soon outstrip supply and prices will go up. And FWIW, I have no association with Thomann's or Phillip McKnight. I just wanted to thank Phillip for making the video and Thomann's for making the gear.

[@markdakel9253]

It seems like something finally lives up to the hype and it may be a legitimate value

[@KrillyMaNilly]

Props for the Bowling For Soup riff at 5:24 ! And thanks for bringing light to this cab!

[@timmiller4205]

Trying to order 2 of these now.🤘😵🤘

[@moribnd]

I bought it earlier this year. It sounds good -not as good as some standard cabinets, but better than beginner or cheaper cabs with budget speakers.

[@angryheb1]

Malmsteen needs to switch to HB wall of sound!! Imagine that? Lol

[@holygoat]

The term you're looking for is "Loss Leader". That's what this cab is, and it's awesome.

[@mindfixer4you]

Next on Trumps hit list!

[@granvillefriel1877]

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[@beatleme2]

Obama is the one who tried to shut down Gibson.. so wtf?

[@allanb1402]

Phil you are the only KZbinr I know that is not afraid to speak honestly about KZbin darling brands like HB and Chapman. Your thumbs up was good enough for me and I picked up a couple of these and they indeed are amazing. Thanks for always keeping it real!!!!

[@schecterseven3894]

I have that cab ,great value, I have some Harley Benton guitars , also great for the price.

[@vapporiesat3125]

i used to have some harley bentons as well. i thought they were great for their price too.... sold them in the end because you can just buy used and get a much much better guitar. i feel like they do not sound like the "shape" they are copying. for example i had a SC450GT (les paul) with p90s..... it just sounded like p90 pickups, but not like a les paul.

[@schecterseven3894]

@@vapporiesat3125 Agreed on the Harley Bentons, the best deals on guitars I have come across have been used.

[@brunomo123]

it is real...$210 delivered to my house in wisconsin. sounds great. opened it up and definitely v30 and 13 ply birch construction . Great deal!!