Harley-Davidson Dealer Fees are Out of Control (Don't Get Sucked In)

Harley-Davidson dealer fees will ruin the perfect bike, the advertised price may look good but when you sit down to do the paper work the price jumps dramatically. You shouldn't be paying a ridiculous amount on top of your Harley-Davidson motorcycle purchase especially if it's used. Sometimes you can't help that your perfect used Harley is the hands of Harley-Davidson dealer, but there are some things you can do. If the Harley dealer is trying to add on dealer fees, call them out and ask a ton of questions.
You might be able to get them waived, if not the hardest thing to do is walk away from the perfect bike.
SUBSCRIBE FOR MORE kzbin.info?sub_...
Random and Funny Videos!!
WEEKND OPs Playlist www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HHmv...
Bikes on the channel:
Motorcycle: 2016 Harley-Davidson Sportster XL1200CP (Sportster 1200 Custom)
• Harley-Davidson Sports...
Custom Parts Installed:
LED Headlight amzn.to/2LY4NA4
LED Bulbs Front Signals amzn.to/32PjpIT
LED Bulbs Rear Signals amzn.to/2OaqP5j
Smoked Out Turn Signal Lenses amzn.to/2Oaz41m
Vance & Hines Twin Slash 3 slip on exhaust amzn.to/2O9mqQ8
Screamin' Eagle Heavy Breather air cleaner
Vance & Hines FuelPak FP3 amzn.to/2M0tV9r
Harley-Davidson Reach Seat
Harley-Davidson Chrome and Rubber Collection grips
Drag Specialties Offset Clevis Footpeg Conversion Kit
Aftermarket Chrome Foot Pegs amzn.to/30C68SA
After Market Chrome Shifter Peg amzn.to/2LBTTAZ
Aftermarket Chrome Crash Bar amzn.to/308QFhg
Aftermarket Detachable Back Rest
Aftermarket Docking Hardware For Back Rest amzn.to/32RhZ0j
Harley-Davidson Air Flow timing cover
Harley-Davidson Air Flow clutch cover
Screamin' Eagle spark plug wires
Screamin' Eagle spark plugs
Black Front Axle Covers amzn.to/32TrSe1
Flipped Down Stock Mirrors
Motorcycle: 2017 Harley-Davidson Sportster XL1200X (Sportster Forty-Eight)
• 2017 Harley Sportster ...
Custom Parts installed:
Harley-Davidson Factory Security System
LED Headlight amzn.to/2OcFih2
LED Bulbs Front Signals amzn.to/3086pQV
LED Bulbs Rear Signals amzn.to/34VFfw9
Smoked out turn signal lenses amzn.to/2Oaz41m
Vance & Hines Twin Slash 3 slip on exhaust amzn.to/2O9mqQ8
Screamin' Eagle Exteme Billed Air Cleaner (Black)
Vance & Hines FuelPak FP3 amzn.to/2M0tV9r
Harley-Davidson Burst Collection Foot Pegs
Harley-Davidson Burst Collection Grips
Harley-Davidson Burst Collection Shifter Peg
Aftermarket Black Crash Bar amzn.to/32MsUZq
Screamin' Eagle spark plug wires
CNC Front Axle Covers amzn.to/31GGE7W

[@GixxerFoo]

What fees have you encountered a dealer trying to charge you on top of a used Harley-Davidson motorcycle?

[@rollandklontz]

Dealer markups for new bikes start at $5k in addition to paper work and other associated fees in my state.

[@El_Peto]

Went in to Harley of New Port Richey. Fl to look at a Pan America. Leftover 2022 with msrp of 21,500 was 31,000 out the door in 2023. I laughed at them

[@SmittyAZ]

I did NOT buy a used fat bob that had about a $1500.00 fee. I questioned it, and it was for 'excess' reconditioning fees. #1 The person that traded it in already took the hit. #2 WTH would I buy a bike that wasn't taken care of?

[@LJSiar]

Don't pay! Find out who is the top salesmen and go at the very end of the month the salesmen are paid on a tier based on how many bikes they have sold. Tell him i want to see the pink, the invoice you wont make a dime on this bike but you will get another unit to increase your tier and overall paycheck

[@El_Peto]

@@LJSiar and get told to get fd

[@brianszulwach5165]

When a dealership says "Welcome to the H-D family" consider yourself fk'd.

[@GixxerFoo]

Lol they know they got you then, you come in for the free coffee and it turns into a $500 coffee every time you visit.

[@fivespeed3026]

You should try a Ducati. 😂

[@sqd37l]

I have bought my last harley. I won't outlive the bike I have but if I do, the next bike will NOT be a harley

[@fastsilverado]

The last bike i bought was from a used motorcycle dealership. The price listed was the price you paid. No extra paperwork, no finance fee. Stated what they did to the bike and a price. No haggling. The price was the price. Will go back to them when i need a newer one.

[@GixxerFoo]

That's what I like right there, I get the prep fee and whatever but just tell me the price and I will decide from there if it's fair to me for what it is. My dad was in sales for 30 years and worked at dealer like that once, he loved it from the salesman's point of view. It made his job easier and the customers really seemed to like it, that concept needs to come back.

[@Roaddawg68]

Tired of the bullshit fees , oh this bike is 3k over list ? For what ? Fuck off, that's bullshit MSRP is there for a reason on a new bike , being honest goes a long way , let me decide if it is a good deal . And yeah prep fee on used bike , go scratch your ass, what a wash and oil change , make it reasonable.

[@SmittyAZ]

@@GixxerFoo Aren't they getting prep fees times 2 since it's taken from the person that traded it in? If you question the low ball trade in, part of that IS the prep. it's just the way it is.

[@walkingwolf8072]

Enterprise should start selling bikes, their claim to fame is the price on the sticker is the price you pay.

[@nickhildabridle1612]

What dealership???

[@phiberoptik232]

The toughest part about getting the “right” deal at the time and place you want it is having the discipline to be willing to walk away. If you can’t get what you want, at the price point you think is fair and honest, you have to be willing to find it at another dealer or at another time. Just walk away.

[@GixxerFoo]

That's so hard to do when it's everything you been looking for, can't get excited and sign your life away in the heat of the moment.

[@frankG451]

Harley dealers in IL. Charge a 795.00 safety inspection fee, 358.00 doc fee , full sales tax and sometimes another prep. Fee. Buying private all you pay in IL. IS A 25.00 tax, plus of course plates and title fees. This saves a private buyer thousands! GO PRIVATE!

[@GixxerFoo]

Absolutely! That's the only way to go, it sucks though if you find the perfect used bike at a dealer. The price is fair but then the add ons come into play.

[@Squatch_Rider66]

That Windy City group is famous for doing this nonsense.

[@serafinsilva1055]

So... Since they are charging you a "safety inspection fee" and something catastrophic fails, causing you to get hurt, They are now libel instead of Harley? LOL!

[@BlackMountainCycles]

@@serafinsilva1055 if it doesn’t fail on that initial ride home, HD won’t honor that anyway. They will argue that you can’t prove it was like that when you got it from them.

[@danwilliams5867]

LOL I know exactly which dealers do that. They don't even check anything

[@easyglider1307]

I've been recovering my HD dealer fees by showing up and eating every free hotdog and every free beer I can get. Not sure how many more beers it will take to get to $1300

[@GixxerFoo]

LMFAO that's great, that's one way to do it. I never thought of it like that!

[@mellsterr6192]

Considering the hot dogs at Costco are a buck fitty, that’s a lot of dogs!

[@easyglider1307]

@@mellsterr6192 I hear ya, but a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do. LOL

[@gorion70]

Get em back at the buffet! Lol

[@MoeLarrycurly1]

👍🖖🤭🤭

[@lpd1snipe]

Just like car dealers, motorcycle dealers do not want to give you an out-the-door price. They want to get you in with the finance manager and hit you with all this extra stuff. That's why I'll never buy a new bike or a car.

[@GixxerFoo]

Finance manager, that's the other person it's not my responsibility to pay for. To me that's something the sales person should do is run your credit and see where they can finance you.

[@deebedwell580]

@@GixxerFoo Well, the finance manager isn’t really the credit specialist, he’s just a higher level salesperson. When people think of him as something other than a salesperson, they are suddenly compelled to pay extra money for whitewall tires - AND finance at 18% for 120 months!

[@nickhildabridle1612]

​@@deebedwell580finance manager is the "Warranty Specialist" 😅😅😅

[@brianmcdowell3728]

I was looking at a used road king a couple years ago and the dealership wanted to tack on an $800 prep fee, which they add on to all used bikes. I asked what it was for. They said that fee is their average cost to get a trade in ready to go so oil change, new tires, etc. I took my trade back the next week to see if we could work out a deal. They looked at my trade and gave me a fair figure to start then noting it needed tires, oil change and state inspection, started taking the cost of those off the trade value. I asked if they were gonna charge the next guy the $800 fee when they sold my trade. They said they would. Essentially they were double dipping. I politely told the salesman they were trying to screw me and I won’t do business with them.

[@GixxerFoo]

You did the right thing by walking away there, it's insane how they get away with stuff like this.

[@barbaramercer8395]

I had the exact same experience at Conrad, Harley, Davidson, in Illinois. I refused to pay their safety fee on the used bike and then they tried to take away from my trade-in and I told him the same thing and then you’re going to have the new owner pay it too you’re like the government taxing us twice . Worst thing is that every person there acted like they had a attitude then and didn’t even care about us as a customer. I ended up going and buying a brand new bike at Illinois Harley but with outrageous high prep fee, but to justify that I got him to throw on a sissy bar and labor for nothing. I spent hours haggling at dealerships and still felt like I got ripped off, but maybe did a little less for doing so.

[@user-yi7lj2xh2j]

Buying my first and only harley, I knew there would be a learning curve. It was an ok experience. In the end, I didn't feel like they earned my repeat business. The accessory parts sales experience sucked! Plus, during the warranty, I've had them service my bike 3 times for over $500 each. I thought It was getting the full service inspection. They didn't even check the air filter. As an Aircraft Mechanic, I can wrench and was willing to support my local dealer to build a community; I just didn't find what I was looking for.

[@GixxerFoo]

That's part of what is killing the company right there is the dealer experience at every level. They wonder why a lot of people don't come back to Harley after dealing with experiences like that!

[@moosecapades1722]

Bought my '93 FLHS October 1992 off the showroom floor the day they put it out. $11,700. Still riding it. Have not ever wanted another HD after the bad stealer experience with a CVO VROD. It was good in a straight line, but was always draggin' something in corners. I have an '09 FZ1 for corner carving and track with 153 rwhp. The hog is what it is, and I can work on it and I support my local indy.

[@jancirillo909]

Our dealership just added a $45 admin fee for all service work orders!! Unbelievable!

[@GixxerFoo]

I would imagine that's in addition to "shop supplies", that's ridiculous. They act like it's some kind of honor to do business there.

[@BillyCune]

I live in Poland (European Union). I bought 2 new motorcycles and one used 6-year-old motorcycle from the dealer. There were no strange fees, and they were even happy to offer various discounts. In the case of a used motorcycle, the commission was small.

[@GixxerFoo]

Used bikes are big business. I worked for a dealer and I would watch private seller ads. Bikes would sit and sit, someone would be asking $7500 (USD) and I would get cash from the owner go and pull out 5K in cash. Say I work for a dealer, I want the bike and put the cash on seat. We got it for 5 and put it out front $9995, come off 500 bucks to makes someone feel like they got a deal. Still got about 4500 profit on it, that's the inside on a dealer.

[@BillyCune]

@@GixxerFoo In 2018 I paid 21 000 PLN for 2012 sportster superlow. Dealer bought it from previus owner for 19 000 PLN, so dealer took only 2000 PLN (about $500). In 2016 I bought new sportster 883r (2015 from Last year). Price was 42000 PLN but I paid 33900 PLN. In 2020 I bought new softail street Bob. Basic price was 62000 PLN but I bought it for 56000. I wish the prices were like before covid. It was easy to buy new Harley.

[@hbikerbob7210]

Last year I bought a 2020 heritage with 3300 miles on it. They wanted to charge me 800 bucks for a reconditioning fee, what needed reconditioning, nothing, started to walk out the door, they removed the fee and I made them reduce the price of the bike

[@GixxerFoo]

Very nice work! I love how the fees magically disappear. I had the same thing with a dealer once and by the time he said oh we won't charge you that I was just done.

[@nickhildabridle1612]

​@GixxerFoo it's like ask for forgiveness vs permission

[@jamessouthworth1699]

Maverick Harley-Davidson in Texas tried to tack on a bunch of junk fees when I bought my used bike. I was in the office negotiating for over an hour. It wasn't until I walked out the door that they came out to the parking lot and finally offered to remove them.

[@GixxerFoo]

That's how it's done right there! I had a similar experience where I said up front I am not paying the "fees". The guy was just so arrogant and a comment he made got me to walk out, I literally told him I am just kicking tires. "Are we doing this or what"? I shook my head and said, not today and not here.

[@moosecapades1722]

Gotta be willing to walk away. Get 'em last day of the month. Look for the sad sales rep...

[@davidharrell8890]

I’ve always built my own bikes from scratch, so I don’t have to worry about a dealer, or Individual screwing me.

[@GixxerFoo]

There's nothing wrong with that and you cut out all the bs!

[@MoeLarrycurly1]

👍👍👍👍

[@Frank-sf1wh]

That’s what I want to do too. I can’t find a bike I want nor can I find a dealer near me I want to support.

[@msweat]

I was looking at a used bike at what used to be Ray Price HD in Raleigh, N.C. several years ago. A salesman came up with all the usual talk and I told him flat out I was not able to buy, I was just looking. He asked if I wanted to take the bike for a test ride. Well, sure. I'll take a ride whenever I get the chance. Rode it and when I came back he wanted to talk some more. Well, it wasn't a "talk" it was a hardcore sales pitch. The man was very aggressive. I could hardly get a word in edgewise. This sort of thing turns me off and especially did so since I told him I was not in a position to buy right up front. One thing I noticed, in all his fast talking, was that he was going to charge me a shipping fee. On a used bike? No way! I reminded him that I had told him I wasn't looking to buy and then he acted all upset, pretty much said I had wasted his time. I felt like if anyone's time was wasted, it was my own. He said he had motorcycles to sell, which meant he was pretty much done talking to me. I told him good luck with that, a comment he didn't seem to like at all. I started to find the manager and see what he thought of what had gone down. Then I thought, why bother? This guy is his own worse enemy. I checked back by a few weeks later and he no longer worked there. Wonder why?

[@GixxerFoo]

I won't turn down a chance to ride anything lol, I've dealt with that crap. If you've ever seen the movie "Used Cars", there was dealer called Lynn Hickey Dodge in OKC, it was a lot like that. Tire spikes that let you in but not out, they would valet your car and hide it, it was the worst of the worst. I could almost see some Harley dealers getting to that level of insanity.

[@walkingwolf8072]

At least he wasn't trying to sell you a lottery ticket to buy a new Harley. I went into the Miami HD dealership 30 years ago to buy a new bike with hard cash in hand. But they would only sell a lottery ticket giving you the privilege to buy a new bike at inflated prices. I told him to go procreate himself, and bought a used bike from an individual. One day when us boomers die off so will Harley with no entry level bikes to attract young people they will all buy Honda instead.

[@fighttechnician8676]

Color option fee is ridiculous. The bike is on the floor already painted and they want to charge extra for a factory color. Surprised they don't charge a cover fee to walk in the door.

[@GixxerFoo]

Black was the base color, now it's grey. Now they are charging more just straight gloss black.

[@skymningforelsket1302]

I went to an autobody paint supply store for auto paint. White was $30 for a pint. Red was $90 for a pint. It actually costs a lot more for certain colors of automobile paints. I'm not saying $895 is justified, but it might actually cost them $150 more to paint it a different color.

[@nhzxboi]

No extended warranty ever for me. It's a rip off even if I didn't invalidate it in the first 1K miles by modification. Buy the thing, do NOT finance it for any more than it's worth and own it. Screw the HD dealers. They're(in general) thieves. If you need to finance a motorcycle for more than a year, think again before signing a debt note for it. It is a losing proposition. You don't really own it and you're gonna get burned. BTW, if "Eag;eMark" financing appears on your credit report, count on losing 50 or so points. They're considered a consumer finance company for high-risk borrowers. Do it through your own bank and stay away from HD dealer financing.

[@GixxerFoo]

I would honestly say Harley's financing is pretty predatory for some people. You can easily end up paying for that bike 3 times over in interest if you ever do pay it off. You can tell when someone is trying to selling a CVO for more or close to the price of new. Buyer's remorse is a real deal.

[@chrisdadigger1018]

One motorcycle I would never consider swinging a leg over.

[@mikefrech1123]

Make 'em an offer and then walk away.

[@positivelynegative9149]

I will never buy a bike from a dealership. I tried to buy a used bike from a dealership, a few years ago. I was willing to put up with their slimey tactics, to a point. I tried multiple dealerships, too. I cannot stand them any more.

[@GixxerFoo]

It's that kind of garbage that turns so many people off from the brand!

[@ozziejim8472]

No matter how cheap you buy a bike , it’s constant money out when owning any bike, especially if you ride that thing regularly. But…. we love em!

[@GixxerFoo]

We sure don't buy them as a retirement investment lol, but they are so worth the money spent.

[@safaricartvideos]

If it's a good bike, most of that money is going for tires.

[@ponowai1]

When I started riding 12 yrs ago Harley dealer always had a good amount of people shopping. A few months ago I acquired a 2nd bike so went in a few times to get parts, the showroom is like a ghost town now.

[@GixxerFoo]

They have pretty much run everyone off to other brands or to the used bikes the way they have done things.

[@frankmarkovcijr5459]

My local dealer adds a$649 doc fee and $849 dealer fee. RIP off bastards.

[@GixxerFoo]

That's exactly what I am talking about when I say junk fees, dealer and doc fees that's such a joke.

[@FloatingFire358]

Have the strength to get up and walk!!!

[@frankmarkovcijr5459]

@@FloatingFire358 l would never pay any rip-off fees for anything.

[@FloatingFire358]

@@frankmarkovcijr5459 sorry! I didn't want to imply you did, trying to encourage others to walk off the deal . Its the same at almost all dealerships, not just HD.

[@darrellkinkade9205]

Just say "no"...

[@simonosullivan1660]

Here in Ireland, I purchased my 2003 Fatboy 2 years ago from the main Harley Davidson dealer, the owner of the shop is Biker and president of a 1% MC and gave me a great trade in deal on my own motorcycle, fantastic to deal with.

[@GixxerFoo]

That's awesome! You know as long your on the good side of MC you're in pretty good vs the latter.

[@skymningforelsket1302]

Now he knows where your bike is, for when he feels like sending some of his club members over to steal it

[@barbaramercer8395]

I had the exact same experience at Conrad Harley in Illinois . I literally told them you’re like the government taxing us twice. I refused to pay the fee on both bikes, and then have the new owner have to pay the fee again . The funny thing is their motto is “honesty upfront “ the truth is they sugarcoat it. when I brought it to their attention, they only seem to be pissed off. Didn’t even seem to care if I was a customer or not. I ended up going to a different dealership and buying a new bike. I paid their disgusting outrageously way over expensive prep fee at illinois Harley but to justify that they paid for the parts and labor for my sissy bar . At least they seem like they wanted me as their customer. I spent hours haggling and I still feel like I got ripped off , but maybe not as much as I would’ve had I not

[@GixxerFoo]

That's insane, it's just unreal that dealers act like that and lose sales over that garbage. Even crazier is how they stay in business with people actually buying bikes there and love the place.

[@Scott-rr7dy]

P.s. save on Fees, and by your harley, private party.all the good stuff has already been added, ect,ect. Cheaper to rebuild the motor, than to by a Bike, I.e. financing.

[@GixxerFoo]

Harley is happy to help with private party sales now with financing, they hit you with fees there too.

[@ds9886]

First off, realize the salesperson and other dealership personnel are not your new friends. As soon as you leave they will forget your existence. Second, vote with your feet and walk out. They will call you (and act like your new friend) to come back in to the dealership. Third, the finance department personnel are not to be trusted. Say “No” to everything they ask you. Have your financing done ahead of time at your bank/credit union. Last, leave your ‘gotta have it’ emotions at home. Now practice saying “No”.

[@GixxerFoo]

That's some the best buyer advice I have ever heard and everyone should hear that!

[@mikedempsey1041]

A dealer should already build in the cost of doing business IE the overhead, the carry costs, and the employee sales commission. That is why they 'purchase' the vehicle on trade in at much less than retail to cover these costs. Therefore, the advertised price should be the asking price without any additional fees other than the doc fee...which 10 years ago was unheard of, now it's normal business. Get pre-qualified if you want the lowest interest rate as well as the known fees to be paid. The best negotiation method is to do what I do - what is my 'Out The Door cost'? Hold them to it, this incudes EVERYTHING, so that when you get that number, you can expect to be able to ride the bike off the showroom for that exact price.

[@sargepent9815]

I returned from deployment prepared to buy a Fatboy Lo for cash. They never even gave me the time of day, so I left. The way they treat their customers if you don't come in looking like a 1% MC member is astounding

[@GixxerFoo]

I don't blame you one bit for walking away, they act like they are doing you a favor rather trying to actually sell you on the bike.

[@percivalgooglyeyes6178]

No matter what extra fees the dealer charges it is all worth it. Harely's are the absolute best and most efficient way to convert money and gasoline into noise known to man.

[@GixxerFoo]

Lol that they are, but fees can make the deal absolutely not worth the purchase.

[@markman7]

Last Harley I bought was from an Indian dealer. Price was actually pretty good on the bike, and they had a doc fee that wasn't too bad, but my final negotiated price was OTD. They didn't make me insure it or plate it, and they delivered it 40 miles to my house as it was cold weather season. Yea for the Indian dealer!

[@GixxerFoo]

That's awesome to hear! Indian dealers usually have really good deals on used Harleys. Sounds like they took care of you and treated you right!

[@hijodelantorchanunya1572]

Over the years (since 1990), I've gone to my local H-D dealership on 4 separate occasions wholly prepared to by a new motorcycle. The dealership screwed the pooch every single time. The last time (October 2023) they had the audacity to charge $1945.75 in fees plus an additional mystery deal add on of $755.61. I don't care if the greed is corporate's or the dealership's...all I know is that they seem content to be 0 for 4 in sales and I can't be the only customer that they've turned away. I'll continue to buy used from an independent shop or private party.

[@GixxerFoo]

That's bad, it's amazing they even stay in business and even more amazing people will pay that too!

[@stephendrake8145]

Remember, they can charge anything they want & just might get it if they wait long enough. Just know what you want & what you are willing to pay before you head in the door. Like I always say “ I’m always looking & occasionally buying”…

[@GixxerFoo]

Absolutely and they will charge whatever they can get away with!

[@walkingwolf8072]

Unfortunately there are many that will pay whatever they charge just because it is a Harley, same goes for Indian. Before getting my RE Hunter I rode, and still will ride my 1997 Valkyrie, made in the USA BTW. I shut up a Harley boy a couple years ago running his mouth by showing him the made in USA stamp on the bike.

[@eddiegerlach7121]

Have not had the pleasure (?) of purchasing a bike from a dealer...was fortunate enough to find my 2005 Sportster XL200C and 2004 FXDL thru private sellers. 🙏

[@GixxerFoo]

You aren't missing much and they sure treat it like you should be grateful to buy one from their dealer.

[@fg3901]

My wife went into Seacoast HD in NH knowing what she wanted to buy and they were such jackasses she walked away and bought a used one from another woman.

[@GixxerFoo]

She did the right thing not putting up with their crap if they are going to treat her like that!

[@johnd.5601]

There's usually only a few people who own all the dealerships in the state you live in. It doesn't matter if you're buying a Harley or a Kawasaki, Honda, or Yamaha, and now we have China bikes.

[@GixxerFoo]

I didn't like the direction it was going when metric dealers sold and became "whatever power sports". Something about the phrase power sports just signals the end in my mind.

[@mikeburnett7028]

Bought my last new Harley in 2016. Couldn’t sell the old 2008 bike, nobody wanted it. Had to trade it in. Nobody wants a used bike anymore.

[@travelinben1966]

I've owned several Harleys,most I bought privately,so this never happened to me.I don't have brand loyalty,so if they tried to pull that shit on me,I'd be out the door in a heartbeat.

[@GixxerFoo]

I truly wish people would walk on the fees more, maybe they would learn and quit doing it. They just get people who look at what it is monthly and they just really want it.

[@blakebeene8188]

My most hated thing they try to do is the service fee on both ends. They give you less on a trade bc they’ll have to let the service department go through it and see what it needs. Then they try to hit you with a service fee on the used bike you’re buying. Nope

[@GixxerFoo]

That's exactly how they do it, try to justify every aspect of low balling you.

[@marknasia5293]

wanted to buy a 1994 sportster with cash in pocket. the guy really gave me the run around talking about probably hard to find a bike etc, and i asked if the bike i was looking on the sales floor for sale, he said yes but he didn’t see me as a HD rider. i walked next door and bought a new honda shadow, cash. I am not sure if I will ever buy a harley.

[@GixxerFoo]

That just blows my mind how they act like they are doing you a favor rather than trying to sell you on a bike.

[@thekrutchinator]

Good content as always!

[@GixxerFoo]

Sadly that's all it's turned into these days!

[@jerrykruse8807]

Great info as usual, thanks. It's going to be more relevant as all the new changes from H-D & the EPA start to run the costs up on new bikes. The dealers & bike shops are going to have more & more leverage. Unfortunately, those that are first time buyers are going to be more compelled to buying from a dealer thinking that it is safer to buy from them and I for one don't trust them. Even when you know the people. Sadly, the nature of the sales business.

[@GixxerFoo]

You are 100% correct, I know I am not telling most people that watch the channel what they don't already know. You hit the nail on the head is that first time buyers feel safer buying from a dealer, in some cases it's more expensive but it might be best.

[@tex9280]

Big G'day GixxerFoo from Down Under 🇦🇺 It's 7am Saturday morning here in Melbourne Victoria Australia 🇦🇺 Great content yet again helping the HD community worldwide. May all your days be Harley days 💪🖤🧡🖤🧡🖤💪 Safe travels 🙏♥️🐾🐾🇦🇺

[@GixxerFoo]

Thank you! Finally summer and we can start getting out riding without freezing to death! Thank you for your support!

[@michaellobdell7064]

Great channel man, I look forward to it every week. My old cammed 88 is smoking from rear cylinder with a noise. Now’s the time to big bore. My question, I hope you can answer. Should I go S&S 100”? Will I see a big improvement? What can I do about my heads? I got the biggest Fueling kit/cams before I have to install springs. On the cheap, what direction should I go? Can’t really afford new heads but they’ll be off. Ideas?

[@GixxerFoo]

The 100 inch kit is $$ compared to a 95", if you're working on a budged the 95" with some bolt in cams would really be some bang for the buck. A nice mild port job on the heads would run you about $800 bucks to port and get the heads cleaned up. You'll need valve springs unless you go with a bolt in cam. If you're goin on a budget the 95 inch kit with some bolt in cams, clean up the heads and it'll rip hard over stock!

[@michaellobdell7064]

@@GixxerFoo I couldn’t find the Twin Power brand 95” kit you recommended in a video from 3 years ago. Any other recommendations?

[@coastalhillbilly3419]

I think most all dealers are doing this regardless of manufacturer most are not even trying to hide it, ‘additional markup’

[@GixxerFoo]

I've seen it at several dealers aside from Harley, Indian dealers haven't been so bad about it in my area. I feel like Indian is still trying to build up the brand and that's a great way to get someone turned off by Harley markups on an Indian.

[@ZZZX718]

Kawasaki charges over 300 dollars for a basic oil change. All dealerships are getting out of hand

[@GixxerFoo]

That is absolutely insane for an oil change! I get things have gone up but my gosh that's crazy!

[@moralthreat2745]

I call bs. I had an H2 done for $135.00

[@yoshit9819]

I worked at an indian dealership where we charged a total of 695 dealer fee. That was it A few years later went to work at another indian dealership. They charged 995-1495 on freight fee. 995 dealer fee and 499 dealer prep. It was quite difficult to sell bikes

[@GixxerFoo]

I can see the 695 especially on a new bike, freight and prep etc. But you get anymore than that and people walk out, which is horrible if you're the one selling the bike.

[@kurtd8396]

Friend found perfect bike online. Went to dealer, looked at bike. Asked price. Was told that the payment could vary. Guy said he wanted the bike's price. They wanted his info for financing. Guy left dealer frustrated. All the small dealers are being swallowed up. Not sure who likes the dealer experience. I sure don't.

[@GixxerFoo]

That sounds insane but that's exactly what they do!

[@Bikerbug2020]

They can show all the fees that they want, but in the end NEVER EVER EVER pay anything over MSRP of the bike OTD… ie., MSRP is max price including all of the fluff and dust that a dealer says they need too sell you that bike. Point of Fact, new CVO/ST dealers are asking $5000 over MSRP so $47,999 to $49,999 here in SWFL, when the bike has an MSRP of $42,999.00 believe me when I say you CAN get that CVO/ST come September for nothing more than MSRP OTD. I bought a FAST JOHNNIE RG 2023 in October for just that. Now dang it they have some of the 2023 that got delivered in January 24 and you can actually save money and get it under MSRP out the door.

[@GixxerFoo]

I keep hearing of people finding leftovers for crazy cheap, sometimes 5K off msrp but I can say for sure you're not finding that where I live. I would be willing to take a road trip for a leftover 2023 or 2022.

[@eb1941]

I visited greenville, sc dealer last week. Nice dealership with good inventory. No info displayed on new or used bikes. No msrp, fees, mileage on used bikes, nothing. Not for me, so I left.

[@randymack1782]

never bought from Harley dealer, but I have always haggled with an "all inclusive" price, thats means total, no hidden fees, and works well at used car dealers. as for me, i have no intentions of ever buying a NEW Harley, i was 1 that dealers mistreated in the 90's and they went after the yuppies, several places wouldnt deal with me to sell me oil, then 1 dealer had a bike i liked, tried to work a deal, and I was offered peanuts for my old shovelhead, $600 claimed it was worn out, needed lots of work, they argued about transmission leak? I still had the factory chain oiler working, which keeps chain lubricated, but they used the oil splattered chain rear wheel to say it leaked, i walked out cussing, only been back 1 time in 15 years, that was to order new key.

[@GixxerFoo]

I don't blame you a bit and they wonder why they aren't selling as many bikes these days!

[@randymack1782]

@@GixxerFoo well after the mess in the 1990's, then that, I have always had used bikes, bought from individuals, & I wear my patch upside down, if you remember that movement? so im a permanently lost customer, how many more i wonder, & I have spread the word on flipped patches many years

[@coleyounger5882]

I wanted a Harley, so I went to my dealer as several bikes were priced right for me. Shit what a waste of time, I looked they went in the office and came back with way bigger payments than they said and advertised. I gave my dealer every chance to sell me a ride but, in the end, I stood there and watched the salesman's shoot himself in both feet. Ya know by the time I left I was angry and sad at the same time; the guy didn't even seem interested in selling anything. What the hell has happened to Harley Davidson.

[@GixxerFoo]

I can't stand dealers like that, that turns me off so fast. I don't blame you a bit for walking out of there.

[@serafinsilva1055]

My local dealer wanted to charge me a $10,000 covid tax (dealer markup). I said I'm not paying that. The dealer said, "Let's go into the office and talk about it." I told them we just did and walked out. I ended up at another local dealer with no added markup.

[@GixxerFoo]

Talk about what?! 10K on top of the price?! A motorcycle isn't completely a life or death thing, they lost their minds.

[@marisalchimovics1395]

I enjoy watching on Fridays most of the time,other times i like to wait for all the great comments left behind,this is one of those times. Cheers GF...

[@GixxerFoo]

The comments do get really interesting, I try to keep up with them over the weekend and catch up with the rest on Mondays.

[@peterhart5882]

recently, i saw SDHD put a used street glide on sale for $10,900. i went in and their out the door came to $19,400, which included a 2 year warranty. COME ON MAN.

[@GixxerFoo]

Holy crap that is absolutely insane! The price gets you in the door and then they tack on the fees.

[@ChristopherBrusa]

I had such a poor experience when buying my 2022 xl1200x that I will never go buy another Harley. I just totaled that bike and will be replacing it with an Indian Sport Chief simply because of the poor experience from start to finish. I'd much prefer to buy a Low Rider S, but there is no way on earth I am giving them my hard earned money again. (PS. I'm good...just lots of road rash. And yes, I wear gear.)

[@GixxerFoo]

I feel you, that's why I say Harley shoots themselves in the foot time and time again. I am a Harley guy but I can say from own experience I have had a better experience just browsing the Indian dealers. It's not surprise to me the best inventory on a used Harley are at the Indian dealers. It's no mystery as to where all those Harleys came from used.

[@dennisharrison4744]

Only thing i ever get from harley dealer is a battery when you call they give you 1 price you go to get it it be $20

[@GixxerFoo]

I have experienced that same thing myself as well.

[@MicahBell_1860]

I can't really give you my experience on that. I did go to my local Harley dealer here in australia, back in 2014. I ordered a Softail with a Screaming Eagle 120ci motor, ape hangers, king & queen seat/sissy bat (or rather Harley's take on a king & queen seat/sissy bar). $50,000. I was knocked back on finance. I went out, found a 1997 Softail Custom with apes etc & a dodgy gearbox for $13,000. Bought a S&S 124ci crate engine $10,000 & a Jims Fat 5 Overdrive $5,000. So for $28,000 I got almost the same bike, but instead of a Twin Cam, I had a brand new Evo engine & a bulletproof gearbox. I love that bike. More than the Twin Cam I almost bought. I am still friends with the dealership boys. They are great people. My only gripe is they won't look at any bike built before 2000 Happy trails, Cowpoke

[@GixxerFoo]

That's awesome! That hot Evo has got to be a monster and honestly a much better engine!

[@English_MoFo]

If you wanna play you gotta pay. You’re scared of dealers making profit off a great product then I recommend buying used and roll the dice. You just might not get scammed or murdered 👍🏻💯

[@GixxerFoo]

I'm not against a dealer making money but when they give you X price on a used bike and when you sit down for papers you find out it's going to be another 2K... that's a problem.

[@markochs2495]

I bought a used HD at a dealership and they gave me a great deal. The price was right and they put extra parts on the engine and waved 850 dollars in labor. They have been there for any parts I ordered and the only problem I had was a ignition switch. That I got from drag specialty's and I installed it myself. Finks Harley Davidson in Zanesville Ohio.

[@GixxerFoo]

That's awesome! It's always good to hear about some good dealers still out there!

[@gregkeller80]

I like buying used twin cams and evos (carbureated) from women who didn’t put many miles on em.

[@GixxerFoo]

I see you know the secret, you see and add with all kinds of extra gear and accessories and you can tell someone got excited and lost interest.

[@Blu_Grease]

Heritage Harley got shut down for bad business practice of overcharging customers. They just relocated the scam to other Harley dealerships in the area

[@GixxerFoo]

I am honestly impressed something was actually done about it. But like you said they just opened back up somewhere else.

[@TimHWolfe]

Bought my 2009 FXSTC new at a Harley Dealer. Once. Never again. Paid for an extended warrantee. They wouldn't cover my seat that pulled apart or the leather piece on the tank. Had a couple mechanical issues that were supposed to be covered with the warrantee. The dealer wouldn't honor any of them. Still have the bike. I like it. But I take it to a retired bike mechanic. He could use the money more than the HD dealer.

[@GixxerFoo]

That's sad how they upsell people on a new bike but won't honor the warranty. That's exactly how I see, take it someone who's going to do the job right and put the money where it counts and not feed the corporate machine.

[@ronnybooze8003]

Wife attempted to buy a used Softail Slim at Rock and Roll JD in Ohio . Initial price was $14,000 . She was putting $4000 down. After all the add-on BS ( dealer prep,delivery,1 year warranty, etc) payoff after 4k down was another 24k. Noped tf right out the door.

[@GixxerFoo]

Oh hell yeah I would of been out the door too! That's just insanely crazy, I don't see how they stay in business like that.

[@bernardlesperance742]

Don't know if you heard, but H-D Co. is considering mandating that all dealerships begin implementing a 'visitation fee' payable by all non-employees (i.e., the public) who set foot in a H-D dealership. No word yet as to how much the fee will be, except that it may be less for females (reportedly because on average they are smaller than men and therefore take up less space and consume less oxygen - not sure where that leaves non-binary folks). Anyways, just wanted to give y'all a heads up to bring some cash (cash only) next time you drop in at you favorite H-D dealership. Will keep you posted as soon as I find out more.

[@ChiefMiddleFinger]

I’m calling bs on this.

[@GixxerFoo]

That's interesting, the way some of the dealers are it wouldn't surprise me charging admission just to get in and look around.

[@bernardlesperance742]

@@GixxerFoo Gotcha ! ; )

[@ptsb5a]

I've purchased two bikes from HD of Edmonton, one barely used, one new.. Both times, the price on the tag was the out the door price. Both buying experiences were great. Maybe our rules are a little different up here in the Great White North. Either way, I've cultivated a great relationship with the staff at the dealer and still own both bikes.

[@dandude2010]

There are so many sweet used Harleys on fb marketplace with very low miles right now people are in need of cash its a buyers market

[@GixxerFoo]

You ain't kidding, I have been shopping market place too and there are some deals out there!

[@user-nv1dk9ex1f]

My local HD still has not lowered prices on their 2023 bikes.

[@GixxerFoo]

That's crazy, I've had people comment on the steals they got on 2023 models cause a lot of dealers are trying to get rid of them!

[@jofknoll]

in the UK there is no charge for change of owner you can do it on line and the DVLA will send you a new log book for no charge

[@GixxerFoo]

Now that's really nice, I wish we had something like that here in the States.

[@TracyGunz]

I work on my own bikes. You'll never see my bikes in the garage at Harley, ever! If I can't do something I call my buddy who owns a local bike shop! I believe anyone can work on their own bikes, man, just gotta watch, listen n learn. It can be intimidating at times, but thats what makes it fun!

[@GixxerFoo]

Watch and listen is the best way to learn, take that knowledge and apply it!

[@craigkemmerzell5741]

My buddy traded his Super Glide in on a brand new U Glide it was only 3 years old very low miles they did not give him shit for it They then turned around and sold it for 3 grand more then he got The bike only sat there a week before they sold it We know the guy that bought it 😮

[@GixxerFoo]

I worked in a dealer and that's exactly what happens. We would scout the private seller ads, for example we'd offer cash $5,000 on a bike someone is asking $7500 for. Then we'd put it on the lot for $9,995 then take 500 off for someone make 4500 .

[@XL883CNick]

The fees were one thing but the lie of come on in we have 3 used Sportster 1200 Customs in stock like our website shows and they had none. Tried to upsell me from a $7,500.00 1200 which is pricey already to a Softail Standard for $14,998.00+ tax, fees, and financing. I walked away, helmet in hand

[@GixxerFoo]

I would of done the same thing! Sounds like a good old bait and switch there!

[@heybruh3274]

This has happened with EVERY car dealership I have dealt with over the past 40 years. Just saying it's not just a HD issue. Maybe it's because so many car dealerships now own HD Dealerships? Shop smart.

[@GixxerFoo]

I can't stand car dealers and the games, this is a huge reason why I am still driving the same truck I bought gently used 15 years ago lol.

[@all4adv757]

El cajone HD was selling a 1200 sporty used advertised at $10,500. The out the door price was $16,500 with fees

[@GixxerFoo]

That is absolute insanity and just taking advantage of people... sad part is people probably got taken by that too.

[@thomascorcoran2718]

Not just fees one Harley Davidson dealership I went too try to upsell the price of motorcycles this location has been bought out by another Harley Dealership back in June 2023 and they tried to sell me a 2023 Street Bob for 27,7XX. 720 monthly payments was what they wanted me to agree on. That was outrageous I just walked out of the store. I can see a street glide or a road glide, but for a street bob, get out of here.

[@GixxerFoo]

They wanted that for Street Bob?! OMG how do these places stay in business, even more mind boggling is someone has to be biting on it or they wouldn't be doing it.

[@mosswelding1]

720 payments! You would never pay it off. On a 28000$ deal none the less.

[@thomascorcoran2718]

The place was called Heritage Harley in IL I think it was located in town called Naperville. It's closed now they got bought out by an owner that owns multiple Harley Davidson in the Chicagoland area. A sales man at Illinois Harley Davidson in Countryside told me this.

[@mosswelding1]

Even if you paid $50 per month it is $36000. And I'm sure you would be paying wsy over 50. Your children would inherit your payment book. 60 years is a long time!!

[@soldierboy425]

I bought an 86 softail in northern Colorado a few years ago. Got charged close to $800 in dealership fees. Most of which I didn’t get! No fluid change, no “set up. The clutch was so far out of adjustment. It barely grabbed. I’ll always own a Harley, but I’ll never step foot in a dealership again.

[@GixxerFoo]

That's ridiculous, it's hard to believe they would let a bike out like that even if it's an 86 model.

[@bogiewheelman71]

Bought my last two bikes online. Last one being from Road Track & Trail. The price listed was the price you paid.

[@TheRoadGlideRider]

I’ve purchased several Harley-Davidson motorcycles new. I shopped around at different dealers to compare prices. Now upfront, I knew about how much the dealers were paying. I knew they needed a profit. But they weren’t going to get it all from me. I purchased a 2009 Road Glide because of the new frame. I got a good deal. I upgraded in 2021 to the new 2021 Road Glide Standard after shopping around to get a good deal. That’s the secret. Shop around and don’t be afraid to walk!

[@GixxerFoo]

Absolutely, especially if you're not afraid to take a road trip to get a bike too. You can find some deals if you're willing to do some traveling.

[@donthornton7528]

I brought my 88 2006 ultra classic HD paid cash now with 45 thousand miles on it I need replacement parts HD can't help me I'm done with them

[@robertaccorsini4663]

Harley drove a lot of small mom & pop dealers out of business in the ‘90s when they made them all build huge palaces and sell all kinds of clothes and such. The remaining dealers are probably still trying to pay off that upgrade expense.

[@GixxerFoo]

That's exactly why most all Harley-Davidson dealers are owned by investment companies anymore. It takes that pool of money to keep with the dealership requirements, very few wealthy individuals privately own dealerships.

[@gordforsyth9454]

china davidson , that fancy clothing boutique doesn't have one stitch of clothing manufactured on this side of the pond . h d boots made in china soul broke right in half h d you guessed wouldn't honour their crap . It gets worse brand new ulta classic 2017 you know the fancy obe with luquid cooled heads , retirement bike about 10 K in extra's , right out of the showroom first trip home right back to the dealer that funny noise comming from what appeared to be the bottom end , the efn h d mechanic apparently his orders come from on high and he is to inform excellent 40 + year customer not to worry about it , the noise is just idle chatter .??? Numerous trips back to dealership wirh same problem , blown off by dealership to idle chatter ( at least they are consistent ) didn't put a whole lot of miles on bike due to health complications 17000 km. On bike now out of extended warranty bike is all of a sudden billowing blue & white smoke and sounds like pistons are trying to swap cylinders . 17 ,000 fn. Km not miles we're in Canada here miraculously this is not an h d problem after no less than a dozen trips into the shop right from day one and they refuse to honour their junk . Currently it is in a good aftermarket shop with the cases split . Looks like the path alot of ex h d supporters have taken over to Polaris is going to get alot of traffic .

[@bonditltd5346]

So many Harley dealers have closed in the U.K., we’re just grateful for the ones left. Saying that I’m my experience they’ve been awful and act like they’re doing you a favour. Don’t ask about range and mileage like I did - he just stared at me 🫤😳. It’s usually a bunch of guys standing around in an empty store trying to fleece you more than the next one. Jersey HD has closed ( we used to buy parts a bit cheaper by mail order), Preston & Manchester have closed, so the HOG groups have to find their own way. We love the bikes despite their flaws but Harley have not supported their owners

[@GixxerFoo]

What you said about they act like they are doing you a favor is just something I can't understand with a lot of dealers. They should be trying to sell you and not here it is take it or leave it, that has always blown my mind.

[@peterroberts505]

I bought a brand new Deuce and paid on it for four years, no problem. I got behind on payments. I caught and got current on all payments and late fees. I paid them everything and had the finances to continue paying it. They said everything was good. Just continue pay as agreed. Then Harley Financing repoed it that week. Guess who will never buy another Harley, Ever. I sure like my Honda Fury!

[@GixxerFoo]

That's absolutely crazy how they do business, I don't blame you for leaving Harley at all.

[@arthurleino]

I bought mine Military Sales while abroad USS Midway VA-115 1981-83. Picked it up Portland Motosports in Fall of 83. Paid $25 Dealer set up fee. Still own and ride that Shovelhead.

[@GixxerFoo]

Those Shovels are some fun bikes! Pretty cool you still have it after all these years!

[@d1mennis]

Whenever I buy anything like a bike or car I always ask for the Out The Door Price! That is so I don't have to hear about any of those add on fees. If I like the price I will buy it if not I walk away. Sometimes they'll ask you so how do you intend to pay for it. I tell them we'll work something out! It all depends on the out the door price!

[@GixxerFoo]

That's what exactly what I like to hear, and that's why I did business at Forman. They didn't yank you around, this is the price out the door with no BS.

[@stephendrake8145]

Yes, it is the out the door price that is most important…

[@dogsnmotorcycles]

I was seriously going to buy a HD a couple years ago. I didn't know exactly what i wanted, but they were constantly pressuring me to buy anything and offered me next to nothing for my trade. I left there and never plan to go into a HD dealer again. I'll never go to Road Runner Harley Davidson in Goodyear, AZ again...

[@GixxerFoo]

There's some bad dealers out there and it seems like more bad than good. It's things just like that that will have lasting future issues for the brand.

[@thelastrebelshow1627]

Most bike prices are out of control and Harley is right with them. The dealers and the I’m a bad ass crowd gets old and I own two Harley’s.

[@GixxerFoo]

I feel you, I can't stand the "I'm a bad ass crowd". Just ride, nobody cares, people trying to look and act cool makes the general public hate motorcycles and the rest of us get lumped in.

[@shanecarr3880]

Tucson Harley said my used 2019 Street Glide came with free batteries for life. I later found out I was charged $700 for it.

[@GixxerFoo]

That's some crap right there! You need a battery once every 5 or 6 years, that's a pretty good scam.

[@JP-dw1fp]

In my area all motorcycle and car dealers add a bunch of BS fees. Always make an out the door offer. Just look up the NADA value guide and find out what the tax, and tag fees should be and make an offer. Either they take the offer or they don't.

[@GixxerFoo]

That's the best way to do it and they don't like it when you bring up the book, try to bs you some more.

[@truthbetold-jq8iw]

I've had car dealers try this crap and I just get up and leave and never come back. Buying from an individual with good maintenance records is the way to go. If you don't know enough about Harleys to look the motorcycle over and ask questions, ask the owner if he will take it to a mechanic of your choice to inspect it. If the motorcycle is dirty and the owner starts, well it needs this and that walk away.

[@GixxerFoo]

It's hard to walk away sometimes but it can save you a lot of money and headaches.

[@williamanthony5021]

JUST BOUGHT 2024 ULTRA CLASSIC THREE WHEELER THIS UNIT MAY BE MY LAST HARLEY AT SEVENTY YEARS YOUNG WILL TELL YOU IF ITS WORTH IT AFTER ONE YEAR OWNING IT AMEN

[@GixxerFoo]

The trikes are neat bikes, it will be nice to the 117 put in there in the coming years.

[@moralthreat2745]

Hardly Ablesons are simply not worth it. The bikes are limp and the dealers are shady.

[@GixxerFoo]

I've said it for years and Harley is just running on the name, if they had to run on build quality they would be in even more trouble than they are now.

[@marklaramie7393]

Straight up man , pay attention people , youre not only just buying a used/new bike, youre paying to keep their harley boutique open

[@GixxerFoo]

That's literally what these dealership have become with how ridiculous they want them to look!

[@moosecapades1722]

Nope...

[@dennisharrison4744]

I work on my own I have for 40 years iv owned a 09 sportster 1200 custom for last 4 years my first harley probably my experience there not hard to work on lol at least for me I bought mine off of a older guy low miles and a good price it never was abused

[@GixxerFoo]

Sportsters are some the easiest most straight forward engines out there, almost even more that the big twin Evo.

[@jerryfarmer5989]

A buddy of mine just had the stator replaced at the HD stealer. It cost $1,053.32. I was like what? Are you kidding me? Now he admits he is not one to turn wrenched except the wrong direction. But crap I just put one in my old piece of crap and I just can't see it.

[@GixxerFoo]

There are so many indy shops out there that will tell you they would love to charge what Harley dealers do but they like to sleep at night.

[@STIFFRIDES]

👊🏻WHATS UP PAL👊🏻 I know this feeling!

[@GixxerFoo]

I hate the games and fees some places to try to play!

[@timmcpeck2764]

I bought a leftover 2023 Street Glide ST in February. No fees and two grand under MSRP. Granted I had to negotiate out but it worked out well.

[@GixxerFoo]

I love finding leftovers they are just trying to move, that's the way to buy a new bike! Dang you got an ST, I am jealous! I love those models, puts a little sport in the touring models.

[@user-ky3ti7fs3i]

as a Brit, I'm only going to pay the advertised price and no more. Here in Britain, I understand that it is illegal to ask for more than it is advertised. I bought my used Softail from a shop several years ago, and I don't think I would even be able to contemplate a situation where the price I was about to pay was more than advertised. May be its the Scot in me. I payed £6000 cash.

[@kennethwise7108]

Corporate is starting to drop the hammer and are not sending bikes to those Stealerships who are blatantly "robbing" people with all of these nonsense fee's. This came from a friend of mine who works at my local Stealership

[@GixxerFoo]

That's really interesting, I am surprised they are actually doing something about it!

[@kennethwise7108]

@GixxerFoo I have no way of proving that, but that's what I heard.

[@brettrenshaw253]

Just remember that depending on if you do all your own work on the bike and are going to do anything to the engine internals, a warranty might just be a waste of money depending on whether or not it still covers the engine after you’ve done some things to it. These days the warranty might only be applicable if you only add Screamin Eagle parts.

[@GixxerFoo]

It is when it's done at the dealer using SE parts, the warranties aren't worth much when it's a fight to get it honored.

[@JDye-youtube]

If they want to charge overhead, that should be included in the upfront price of the bike.

[@GixxerFoo]

That's how I feel instead of showing you one price and then bending you over at the time of sale.