Harley EITMS Follow Up-Infrared Gun, Blue Jeans ++

[@DKCustomProducts]

Here is a video where a Harley Dealership Manager explains EITMS & More- kzbin.info/www/bejne/imPEeGVuac52gcU

[@bobh2923]

The problem with EITMS (when it is active) is at a stop you need to give it some throttle to have it come out of active mode before letting the clutch out and trying to accelerate, if you don't the engine may hiccup and could stall.

[@DKCustomProducts]

Another trick is to slightly let out the clutch, that will get it to come out of active mode. If EITMS is active, releasing the clutch lever to the clutch engagement zone will deactivate EITMS and begin firing the rear cylinder. If preferred, while the vehicle is stopped, customers may benefit from twisting the throttle/raising engine speed slightly just before riding away, which will deactivate EITMS and begin firing the rear cylinder immediately regardless of clutch lever position

[@schachat01]

On 2 occasions when I left the bike idling on the jiffy stand while I was busy opening the gate to my house, when EITMS kicked in, the bike vibrated so much it fell to the right on the tar surface. Fortunately I have front and rear engine guards so the damage was relatively minor. The entrance to the driveway is slightly cambered. To enable EITMS on my 2008 105th Anniv. Edition FLSTC I have to reflash using my SERT. Since the 2nd bike drop (6 years ago) I have disabled EITMS. Thanks for the scientific approach to analysing and demystifying EITMS.

[@DKCustomProducts]

Yeah, the Twin Cams really shake when in EITMS...although that is the first time I've heard of one falling over!😬

[@TrustyZ900]

I just bought a '23 Low Rider S with 2Brothers turnout pipe. The bike was tuned with an SE tuner, which they gave me back (dealer). They never explained the EITMS. Riding around in Idaho traffic at about 40-45 degrees F. The bike starts sounding and running weird. Finally figured out it was rear cyl. deact. Some dude in a big Mercedes is next to me and I was embarrassed. Going to turn it off. Even in cold temps it kicks on. Going to disable it until the firey summer comes. Love the black bike and the sound and looks, but definitely a different ballpark than my Z900. Thanks for the great video.

[@DKCustomProducts]

Yeah turning it off during colder months will probably be beneficial. Glad you like the video! Thanks for commenting!

[@TrustyZ900]

@@DKCustomProducts Commend you guys for responding to comments. Even guys with very, very small channels being praised don't respond. Bravo.

[@DKCustomProducts]

Thank you! We do try to answer all comments as the viewers are the reason we have a channel. Thank you for commenting!

[@garryeuler9173]

Excellent testing guys!!!!Real world!!! I turned mine off out of the dealers driveway and its never been on since....I'm in south central Fl.... Did not want to break in a new motor with that thing on!! Haven't been in a situation where I thought I needed it!!!!Thanks again....Garry,Lake Placid,Fl.

[@DKCustomProducts]

Thanks for the comment Garry

[@rykerolaoghaire8781]

Thank you for the honest testing DK!. Integrity 😎

[@DKCustomProducts]

Thanks man, appreciate it. 👍

[@jamessturtz728]

Thanks for the update. Good to find an honest company that's willing to admit to not getting it right the first time and publishing facts as they are discovered. I have several of your comfort and cooling upgrades in my '19 Triglide Ultra. Keep up the good work!

[@DKCustomProducts]

Thanks James! We appreciate your business, and good to hear you are enjoying the parts on your Tri Glide.

[@georgeparker7108]

Thanks for the update on your test. Great work guys, keep up with the great work.

[@DKCustomProducts]

Thanks, will do! 👍

[@bigm383]

Thanks for taking the time to run some actual testing, rather than just bad mouthing EITMS, in order to sell your products. I’m still surprised that Harleys aren’t sold with a Jim’s Fans style of cooling system. It’s mid winter here in Australia but there’s still an enormous amount of heat coming off that Freewheeler engine! Cheers!👍🍺

[@DKCustomProducts]

Thank you. Yeah, both the Trike models can really throw some heat. This is what we have done to reduce that. Being in NW Mississippi we get some pretty warm days...not like y'all in Australia or the folks in Arizona, but still pretty warm. www.dkcustomproducts.com/cool-down-your-ride-c660-183.htm Here's a little video we did on low and no cost ways to improve the comfort. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pWS3ZKx3bqd-rac

[@bigm383]

@@DKCustomProducts Ooh, yeah, have watched all of your cooling videos and have your website bookmarked for when my cashflow improves!

[@DKCustomProducts]

@@bigm383 Cool, we appreciate your business.

[@georgiosmaragkoudakis5570]

Hi. Just saw the follow-up video and enjoyed it. Actually, it put an end to my suggestion on your initial video. Keep up the good work.

[@DKCustomProducts]

Here is another video on the subject with us talking to a Harley Store Manager about it- kzbin.info/www/bejne/imPEeGVuac52gcU Thank you for the comments. 👍

[@williamfranklin5917]

It goes without saying, “What you feel I is real”! Great content and thanks a big bunch for the follow up ……

[@DKCustomProducts]

Thank you. Glad you liked. 👍

[@gregmannos]

When I first bought my bike used it was on. Had numerous people ask whats wrong with your bike? I like your tests you do. Thanks

[@DKCustomProducts]

Glad you're liking the videos and finding them useful. My guess is you have a Twin Cam...The M8's do not sound nearly as "wrong" as the Twin Cams when the EITMS is activated.

[@bajarvcouple]

Thanks for the logical update.

[@DKCustomProducts]

Yeah, we did not know what all to look at the first time around.

[@hwa4844]

2020 street glide live in Florida use this heat management system mostly all summer during the days does make sitting at light's a bit more bearable. At night iturn it off as do I in our cooler months. It is just another tool to use like the radio or GPS or my drink holder thanks for the numbers

[@DKCustomProducts]

What you say makes perfect sense. Thank you for sharing! 👍

[@nhzxboi]

The thing doesn't really bother me other than I lose my S&S 475 cam lope when it comes on. My '23 FXLRS behaves fine with it on and it is NOT a problem taking off from a stop. So whatever, I just leave it on. If I turn it off, I wear my asbestos jeans. You can turn it on and off whenever you like.

[@DKCustomProducts]

Here's another video, with a Harley Store Manager, on the subject that you may find interesting! kzbin.info/www/bejne/imPEeGVuac52gcU KP

[@notorioussob9445]

I ran a for sale sign on my 2015 roadglide. Hooked a big fish!🤣

[@DKCustomProducts]

Used bikes are pulling good prices right now. 👍

[@notorioussob9445]

@@DKCustomProducts water cooled is king!

[@stanjohnson8040]

I think what you really need to measure is the rear cylinder exhaust gas temperature. That would really show how much cooling the EITMS does. I also believe it does a lot more than just reduce felt heat.

[@DKCustomProducts]

I don't see us taking the time and money to put a heat sensor in the rear exhaust header. Most people do not even use the EITMS feature. Those that do notice that it radiates less heat. We initially thought it was cooling the engine, which is why we did the test....to see how much it cools it. Well, it does not cool it, nor slow down the temp rising (at least in a 5 minute period, and more time than that just sitting, the engine should be shut off). What is the lot more that you think it does, other than reduce the heat radiating off the rear header? Maybe reduce the heat radiating of the rear cylinder fins? Something else?

[@stanjohnson8040]

You state & show in your video that the felt temperature is reduced. So that means that there is cooling going on in the rear cylinder. Since the rear cylinder is not firing and only air is passing through it, the rear cylinder & the exhaust gas temperature is going to decrease. That will help cool the exhaust valve. On twin cooled models the coolant channels only go around the exhaust valve port area. That should also help reduce the coolant temperature. How much I don’t know. You would have to have several more heat sensors at different locations to really be able accurately measure the temperature drops at various locations.

[@DKCustomProducts]

@@stanjohnson8040 Everything you state makes sense. That is exactly how we were thinking when we did our first EITMS video. We were surprised that the cylinder head temp was unaffected. Also, we did not mention it, but you can see on the PV that we are also monitoring the coolant temps. They were unaffected also. We did NOT measure the temperature of the outside of the cylinder. We did measure the rear exhaust header and it did significantly drop in temp when the EITMS is activated. I am sure with time (more than 5 minutes) that there must be some effect on cylinder head temp. BUT, the EITMS is not made for 10, 15, or 30 minutes of idling. Better to shut the engine down than idles for more than 5 minutes. Coolant temps are most affected by the radiator fans. They do a really good job of keeping the coolant temps in a good range...regardless of whether the EITMS is activated or not.

[@rschaerer98]

Thanks for the informative follow up. Can you clarify one point for me... You said you were looking at the rear cylinder temp sensor which power vision refers to as headT but you called it engine temp in the video which is a different measurement that PV labels ET. My ET readings change fairly slow while my head temp readings change instantly with any changes to wind, throttle, etc. I would think that you would see more of a change in the actual head temp when the EITMS engaged but zip on overall ET. Were you just using the word engine temp as a general term vs specifically relating it to the actual PV labeling? Thanks again for all you contributions. Ron

[@DKCustomProducts]

Thanks for the comment, and kind words. Glad you are finding the videos useful. 👍 Dynojet did a weird thing with the Power Vision. The ET displayed on the PV is the direct reading from the cylinder head temp sensor. The HeadT displayed on the PV is NOT the cylinder head temperature. It is a number that is a result of an algorithm. That is why you can see an instant (split second) change in the headT when you nail the throttle...because it is looking at the MAP sensor, IAT, and other things and can bounce all over the place very quickly. When you think you are looking at your head temp reading...they have been misleading you with their misnaming of the readouts. The ET is the Cylinder head temp sensor. Yes, I know it make no sense....but that is what dynojet did. You may find this video on the ECM and what sensors are what interesting- kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZqfFhZ6Iq6uUbpI

[@toddgittins5692]

Never have used mine, either. M8, never ride in heavy traffic. Live in BFE.

[@DKCustomProducts]

Yeah, so much nicer to stay out of the heavy traffic. 👍

[@low1200hd]

So, can you do a video of using fans to help cool the bike. Like this video but you said you weren’t using the fans in this test. So, does using fans help with felt heat. The wife just started riding a ‘16 Freewheeler. Here in Nebraska this past weekend it got to about mid 90’s and she was NOT liking the radiated heat felt. I’m honestly not worried about the engine getting to hot. I’ve always kinda trusted the moco with knowing how to build a bike that would last. So, this is more about the wife and I bombing around on our bikes on the weekend and trying to mitigate the radiated heat she feels. Thanks guy’s love the products y’all make and the videos are good too.

[@DKCustomProducts]

Hi Jack, thanks for the comment. We have done several videos on fans, we also have some written reports with fan cooling data. Here is one video- kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJ6tnqOanKeAaaM Here is a link to a written report- www.dkcustomproducts.com/force-flow-fan-test-report.htm

[@rickgriffith1]

Great information! Thank you.👍🏼😎

[@DKCustomProducts]

Glad it was helpful! Thanks for the comment. 👍

[@Dubhghaill]

Thanks DK , doesn't the EITMS come on automatically once the motor meets certain settings, whether you manually enable it or NOT ?? Iam referring to a M8 , I have a 2018 Fatboy

[@DKCustomProducts]

It comes on automatically IF it is activated. If it is not activated it will not come on at all. In this video linked below we show how to activate/deactivate the EITMS kzbin.info/www/bejne/pn-ze4yDfddnqrs

[@jackklarich7045]

Very good video and info. This should be used as a commercial to help y'all to push the sales of your tank lifts and air cleaners. You might say something like, without these two items on your bike it is like sticking your head in an oven. Nuff said @ D k Customs

[@DKCustomProducts]

Hey Jack, thanks for the good words. Glad we got this test right the second time around! 👍

[@talkingrock7011]

Kevin I don’t use the EITMS system either and probably never will either

[@DKCustomProducts]

I hear ya! 👍

[@KelvinWeiss-yv2zh]

Great video!

[@DKCustomProducts]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@cgscprspecialist3937]

Great information

[@DKCustomProducts]

Thank you, glad you're liking the vids. 👍

[@sLowRider114.]

Do you think running it will cause ware and tear on other parts?

[@DKCustomProducts]

I think it will on a Dyna or Touring Twin Cam. If nothing else, just on the motor mounts. Here is a video that you may find interesting- kzbin.info/www/bejne/imPEeGVuac52gcU

[@DG-america]

I absolutely hate the EITMS. When my bike hits full temp, it kicks on at every stop. Its damned annoying. I need some alt cooling improvements. Thanks guys.

[@DKCustomProducts]

Yeah it is irritating. Here is a list of what we do- www.dkcustomproducts.com/why-how-to-cool-down-the-twin-cam-engine-part-i-dk-cl-tc-dn-1.htm Here is a video series on the same info above- www.dkcustomproducts.com/why-how-to-cool-down-the-twin-cam-engine-part-i-dk-cl-tc-dn-1.htm Here is a video of 10 low and no cost things to do- kzbin.info/www/bejne/pWS3ZKx3bqd-rac

[@jmendizabal1025]

So I run the oil cooler fan up front and just installed the comfort rear cylinder fan on. Do you think I still need to take the left heat deflector off? Also ordering the DK tank lift and wind deflector Thanks

[@DKCustomProducts]

Hi George, additional cooling is always a good thing for these bikes... I recommend collecting temp data to determine how much more cooling you would need to achieve a healthy engine temp overall but I am certain you would benefit from the effects of removing the left side thigh protector. - Dwayne

[@billflixtone6684]

Our bikes here in Asia activate the EITMS at 288*f

[@DKCustomProducts]

Yeah, that is what bike did here for a few years...since then HD, for US bikes, changed to ambient temp as the primary trigger to activate. Here is another video you may find interesting- kzbin.info/www/bejne/imPEeGVuac52gcU

[@toddaod295]

I have asked this question to others: EITMS..engine protection, passenger comfort or both? It seems you guys just determined...passenger comfort.

[@DKCustomProducts]

Yes, it is for rider and passenger comfort, which Harley states...just took us a bit to figure out how/why it works. Seems really easy now, but when we started out the obvious eluded us. 😀

[@tex9280]

Great work boys❗ Keep Living the FUCKING Dream Safe travels 🙏❣️ 💪DK Customs 💪 💪🇦🇺💪

[@DKCustomProducts]

Thanks man! 👍

[@gary8399]

So which tank lift looks best on M8 Roadking?

[@DKCustomProducts]

For touring models, the most popular choice is the 1.5" lift with the deluxe option to lift the rear .5" as well. We do recommend checking for clearance before placing an order for your preferred lift height.

[@x07mcmlxxiv]

This EITMS is only available for touring models, I suppose....!?

[@DKCustomProducts]

No. 2008 - 2016 Touring models with the Twin Cam Engine AND 2017-present (All models that have the Milwaukee-Eight engine)

[@taddostendorf4173]

So how do I turn EITMS off? 2017 RoadKing.

[@DKCustomProducts]

Rotate the throttle forward and hold it for 3-5 seconds. It should toggle off. You can look in your manual and the instructions for your model will be there. You can also look at our first video on the EITMS and we demonstrate how to do this. Here is the link- kzbin.info/www/bejne/pn-ze4yDfddnqrs

[@taddostendorf4173]

Thanks, I didn't know that it was on this bike, bought it used.

[@DKCustomProducts]

@@taddostendorf4173 Glad the vid was helpful.

[@webry65]

My twin cam shakes so bad with it on. Don't feel safe at traffic stops.

[@DKCustomProducts]

Yeah, it just does not feel right on most Twin Cam rubber mounts.

[@roncoburn7771]

can you pull a fuse to disable eitms i got a 128 ci and dont use this crap

[@DKCustomProducts]

I am not at all sure that there is a fuse dedicated to only the EITMS. Best to disable it with a 5 second twist of the throttle Forward. See how in this video, it is cued up in this link right to the spot where it shows how- kzbin.info/www/bejne/pn-ze4yDfddnqrs

[@richardrussell500]

Good video... :-)

[@DKCustomProducts]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@conardwilliamson2366]

So far on my m8 street bob it never came on

[@DKCustomProducts]

Have you checked to make sure the EITMS on your bike is enabled?

[@conardwilliamson2366]

@@DKCustomProducts yes

[@conardwilliamson2366]

Hada m8 first year street glide it came on all the time and it wasn't that hot outside dealer said it was normal but I found out what it was don't have that one any more my mm8 road king and m8 glide never came on did not like the hydraulic clutch so got rid of them have 5 bikes now lol 😀 2 sportsters 2 softail deluxes and m8 street bob have nothing Against the new models but they're just not me I'm picking up one more bike and I'm getting me an Evo I wish it didn't sell my other 2 Evo years ago I just don't like the new wheels they put on the bikes I just like the spokes What's gonna get a street Bob in the 114 but I do not like the paint jobs but that's me They gotta do what they gotta do to keep customers happy And make sales

[@DKCustomProducts]

@@conardwilliamson2366 Yeah, there is a world of difference between the Evo bikes and the M8's.

[@calimilk1113]

So if i have my EITEMS OFF, will my beard grow out like Kevins??

[@DKCustomProducts]

The short answer is YES but results may vary. edited to add- gotta keep the razor off the face too.

[@calimilk1113]

😂😂😂👍

[@LonesomeNomad137]

We’ll done men.

[@DKCustomProducts]

Thanks! You may like this one too- kzbin.info/www/bejne/imPEeGVuac52gcU

[@darrenlingerfelt5879]

😎👍

[@DKCustomProducts]

Thank you! 👍

[@Ram-re5em]

You be better off putting a Yamaha road liner engine in your bike it will run easily to 100k miles.

[@DKCustomProducts]

If I have to explain.....nevermind. Thanks for the comment.