Harrenhal's Curse (Game of Thrones Lore)

[@epm1012]

No, Harenhal’s curse is mentioned in the show. Little finger mentioned it when Tyrion floated the idea of giving him the castle.

[@epm1012]

Anjelica Snorcket I’m not sure, but as someone who just got into GOT 5 months ago, it’s definitely mentioned

[@Divinemakyr]

@@epm1012 Read the books.

[@epm1012]

- Blackemperor- Wrong thread?

[@Divinemakyr]

@@epm1012 Read. 'Em.

[@epm1012]

- Blackemperor- I am, I just don’t see why you’re bringing that up.

[@The_Disturber]

I love (little?) stories like these that George put into his books, makes them so much more interesting to read over and over again.

[@thema.sosoudid2229]

And a lot of these little story’s are actually very important to the main story

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[@tomlander4661]

According to the show, dragon fire can rip through stone walls. So it's a miracle Harrenhal was standing in any capacity.

[@thedeadnightking9975]

Man don’t say sorry mate you are actually one of the best GoT/ASOIAF info guide channels and thanks to you i know a lot more about westeros

[@iagocasabiellgonzalez7807]

Great vid, as always. Harrenhall was also held during Baelish's appointment by: Tywin Lannister, Amory Lorch, Roose Bolton, Vargo Hoat, The Mountain that Rides, Polliver and Raff the Sweetling and finally Ser Bonnifer Hasty by command of Ser Jaime Lannister. All who held the castle had a horrible end, or will have.

[@cureforintroversion1262]

You could argue their families as well. At least as far as D&D's shitty writing is concerned. For example, I would not have eradicated House Lannister by forgetting Cersei was pregnant but D&D wrote for that ending anyway. Tyrion is Bran Stark's hand of the king but history refuses to remember him, his new position is supposed to be a punishment and I don't see him wanting to be with a woman who only wants him for his gold (assuming he still has any). His gold is the only thing about him left to like considering he does have a hand in aiding Daenerys' assault on King's landing, and was her hand of the Queen also. House Bolton is dead also, and Lord Baelish. Petyr is curious since as the host says, he never set foot in the castle

[@made-line7627]

Gargan Qoherys was "Gargan the Guest", named as such due to his proclivity for crashing all the weddings in the region to claim his kingly "right of first night". Fitting that he was gelded.

[@hardkraft418]

Don't forget about Amory Lorch and Vargo Hoat! Even though they weren't lords of harrenhall, it still brought them to ruin

[@lordodysseus]

Both were eaten alive. Brutal...

[@voltirussk4608]

@@lordodysseus one by himself.. no less!

[@shawnyetman6875]

What the mountain did to vargo hoat was one of the craziest endings to a person's life in anything I have read

[@burtan2000]

House Whent is not yet extinct, not while all but one Stark child lives. They may not have the name, but they have the Bat blood and are thusly cursed. All the other houses were destroyed, root AND stem. Just like Slynt was and Baelish will be. I hope at least one stark lives to have kids.

[@TheWatcher802]

@@burtan2000 Slynt has sons in King's Landing, but he never set foot in Harrenhal so the Slynts are probably not afflicted by the curse. But House Whent is considered extinct even though there are Tullys with Whent blood, the same might have happened with the other houses, the main branch went extinct but some people with their blood might have survived away from Harrenhal. Or maybe there is no curse and a curse is how GRRM thinks a series of unfortunate events would be interpreted by medieval-like people.

[@shhhh6174]

I've been in Game of Thrones rehab and let me tell you how badly I just relapsed...

[@shhhh6174]

@Henryk Gödel That last season...let's not talk about that one...we dont speak about that one 🤧🤫😿

[@spikes1147]

Show's downfall started right after season 4, read the books and you'll know why.

[@dominickschrute3084]

@@shhhh6174 I did that recently. Rewatched every episode. I liked season 8 up until ep 4. Or whichever one that Arya killed the Night King. I thought that was a nice touch

[@shhhh6174]

@@dominickschrute3084 anything after that doesn't matter 😭. Spent 8 seasons building up to a battle that lasted one episode...I'm triggered. Youre right...That should've been the rest of the season 😞

[@abrarbw]

Pick up the books. You will not regret it, I can promise you that.

[@MisterTutor2010]

House Hoare not be confused with Hoare House :)

[@annahitaabd44]

MisterTutor2010 good one😁

[@Glitch_in_the_Matrix]

Love your videos. Glad you kept the content and lore going after the TV show ended. These videos give me hope for the prequel show and remind me to re read the books.❤❤❤❤

[@whycreate]

Thanks Kay!

[@gloriabrown6403]

Your timing is actually Perfect!! I needed this, thank you.

[@whycreate]

:)

[@iagocasabiellgonzalez7807]

I believe Harrenhal has the same effect as the touch of a dragon while burning things. I think they're kinda radioactive. There's radioactive fallout at Harrenhal, and the stilbirths and curse seem to have a relation to it. As for the dragons, every dragonrider who went burning around a lot got sterile: Maegor the Cruel is the best example.

[@wisdommanari6701]

Um... Aegon and his 3 sisters killed a lot of people during the conquest and they all procreated

[@iagocasabiellgonzalez7807]

@@wisdommanari6701 After Rhaenys was captured and the Targaryens unleashed the Dragon Wroth in Dorne neither Visenya nor Aegon were fertile. Even Visenya was rummored to have used black magic to get herself pregnant with Maegor before that, for she was dragonburning around more than her siblings.

[@wisdommanari6701]

@@iagocasabiellgonzalez7807 Jaherys killed a lot of people with dragons too and he and good queen Alysane had ton of kids.

[@brendan9868]

If Dragons caused fertility issues with their riders then House Targaryen would’ve died out long before Aegon’s conquest. Maegor had fertility issues, but this was probably due a bad hand of genetics or issues with being inbred. Jaehaerys fought on his Dragon way more than Maegor had to and still had like 13 kids.

[@alyisandraadam5515]

In fire and blood you find out that one of maegors wife's is poisoning the other wives so maegor won't have children

[@coyotegaxiola4281]

Thanks for extra Halloween goodness in November! Love it!

[@crazychips123]

7:50 Ah so this is why you recommend this video now.

[@youngnat]

Yeah I already watched this video and it was in my recommended 😂

[@kagekun1198]

There's also an aspect of the curse that makes the inhabitants infertile. Aside from the many miscarriages and the failure of the many families that held the castle to produce heirs, it is noted that Pretty Pia who had lived in the castle her whole life and had carnal relations with half the Lannister army showed no signs of being impregnated. Jaime himself noticed that part about her.

[@Casper_That_Guy]

Your voice is so soothing

[@TheEmpiredown]

Excellent, informativecontent as always. Your use of visual aids and cues is fantastic. SS

[@sonofjack6286]

I'm hoping somebody decides to dismantle Harrenhal since all that stone would probably be useful.

[@nealfirstofhisname]

Because of the Dragonflame, it's probably all melted together, like Dragonstone and the walls around Volantis and Tyrosh or the Dragonroads in Essos.

[@nicmagtaan1132]

Harrenhal is still a functional castle that hosts big events and among others

[@Captain_Insano_nomercy]

It will likely be the place of the last stand during the Long Night

[@adampalmer2103]

Am assuming Tywin wasn't so taken in to ideas of curses and hexes. Otherwise, he would take serious note to the stories of sad and grisly endings of any lord or King who makes themselves comfortable in Harrenhal

[@whycreate]

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[@saintcharlie3245]

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[@Jimmyhillschinny]

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[@DukeOfSummerset]

17 lol I ruined the thread 😎

[@sonofjack6286]

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[@goryanadazaghal1206]

@@Jimmyhillschinny 16

[@punisherhotel92]

Keep up the Lore videos!

[@whycreate]

:D

[@Adiscretefirm]

There is a scene with Littlefinger visiting Tywin at Harrenhal with Arya in the room, so he visited at least once before his death.

[@C-White-88]

Little finger is not dead hes still in the Vale with Sansa .

[@solarityrealms3666]

Lol I came back here after seeing House of the Dragon episode 6 now knowing who was really responsible for the burning of Harrenhal while it was under House Strong.

[@zuhayrsadiq7388]

ur lore vids are always a nice sight

[@mehdibougaraa1817]

Nice work bro I love your video so much

[@bikashsubedi2222]

Remembering good old days

[@ananymishra968]

Hbo should hire you they need someone with the knowledge of the book lore so that there is no repetition of season 8

[@lancegonzales518]

Season 8 was the perfect ending to the series

[@thedecider4755]

@@lancegonzales518nice joke

[@grimtopia4804]

I think there is 3 times in the show when the curse is "mentioned" When littlefinger is given harrenhal Tyrion mentions it when he gives the idea to give littlefinger harrenhal (I dont know if this did happen but i think it did) --> varys made a quip at it when he was talking with littlefinger

[@TeWhero]

The Harrenhall in the show always just looked like a tiny courtyard.

[@rexrivers2220]

*Kicks in the council hall in king landing* I heard GOT news

[@vahinmohan3563]

What about curse of king's landing. All families which ruled king's landing ended up with just a single member surviving or no one at all. Be it the targaryen, baratheon,Tyrell, lanisters

[@foxtrot372]

yeah obviously... the house doesn't stop ruling the iron throne until they're all dead or have been conquered, which usually results in most of their deaths. It's not the same because the longest harrenhal was ruled for was about 70 years but the Targaryens ruled for over 300. The iron thrones is also very sought after as it literally rules everything but harrenhal is just another castle.

[@stomper2888]

No just the last 2 kings dum dum

[@alondramorelos1978]

Love all your videos, keep it up I’ll never get enough of game of thrones!

[@TheTam0613]

Thank you so much for another great video! I appreciate your time and effort. I love the story of Harrenhall!

[@laurelsilberman5705]

I love art of balerion where his rider is just a teeny little speck on his back😂❤

[@ravenwood1865]

a vampire in westeroes, cool. it's already got werewolves, zombies, and frankenstien. a vampire fills it out nicely

[@sweetpotatofries99]

I wonder what Littlefinger will do with Harrenhal. Maybe nothing, and it'll become a haunt for brigands and such. Or maybe he'll have it torn down. A massive task, but probably the best thing to do overall.

[@kaylariddell007]

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[@debrajenkins5390]

The castle belongs to the Starks now by right. Arya killed Petyr and it belonged to her grandmothers house. Their First Men blood and greenseer/warg magic can handle it. Bran can vanquish any lingering and unwanted guests he sees as Three Eyed Raven. Starks are hard to eradicate; ask the Night King and the Lannisters.

[@BIastwave.]

debra jenkins That makes sense, because House Stark is doomed. All the male heirs are dead. According to Sansa, Bran can't have kids. And even if he could, he claims he isn't "Brandon Stark" anymore.

[@WERTYUIO821]

Well... That means Starks are no more as well then

[@nickdentoom1173]

Not in the books.

[@snakes3425]

King: I award you the ancient seat of Harrenhal Person with Common Sense: UH UH NO WAY THAT PLACE EATS FAMILIES ALIVE

[@fabe4youth]

Make a video about the jungles and woods of Westeros!! Including Sothoryos! Where giant spiders, wasps and werewolves live! I wish they showed more of that in th series..

[@Eshkanama]

Game of Thrones/ASOIAF likes to dabble in the idea that blood and fire and sacrifices conjure great magic. I think the curse is real, after Aegon roasted it, the kind of shit energy that Harren and his family had pretty much gave it a horrible curse.

[@Goldenxbih]

No wonder the strongs died there too.. just creepy

[@Ignisan_66]

Don't forget about the other holders of Harrenhal. Amory Lorch is eaten alive by a bear. Vargo Hoat is slowly dismembered by the Mountain and then killed, Ser Gregor Clegane dies slowly and painfully from a poison, Tywin Lannister is shot by his own son, and I'm sure Roose Bolton will die soon in TWOW either executed by the One True King or killed by Ramsay.

[@jaysimmons82]

Thank you for setting my mind back! when, we all still had mad (lol) love for both the show and the books!! Props for having the courage posting this after season 5 -8! Plus, you have a nice smooth and sexy voice-over!!!

[@Piirsmos]

13:23 “Harrenhal sucks. It’s creepy, and ugly...” something about the delivery was funny

[@Charles36.]

Haven't listen to a game of thrones video In awhile

[@lordausa9657]

I know it's two completely different series and worlds but this place gives me Minas Morgul vibes.

[@brotherhurricane7124]

Legends here after HoD ep 6, we gather for this Watch.

[@kiandrahall6206]

You know i was thinking in season 3 episode 3 "walk of punishment" varys calls roose Bolton the "lord of harrenhal" when rod goes to riverrun for lord Tully funeral and guess what happened to everyone who carried his name 😂

[@agent3269]

12:44 Excuse me? Littlefinger at best has temporary governance over the Vale, and we don’t have any indication that he has interest in the Iron Throne from the books.

[@TheRoguePrince0]

Does the Death of little fingers count as the curse because he was named the lord Harenhal

[@fynnexv6537]

why do i see you everywhere :/?

[@dutchpangermanist5673]

Rhaena Targaryen lived here, and the tourney at Harrenhal led to the downfall/almost destruction of house Targaryen.

[@sanderkoekkoek9866]

Wasent Vargo Hoat also briefly named lord of harrenhal by Bolton?

[@natheriver8910]

Fascinant castle

[@dagnirglaurunga1620]

😂😂😂 Littlefinger's thoughts on harrenhal always Crack me up

[@TriuneWorshipper]

I’m pretty sure in GoT Baelish actually says something about the castle being cursed and all of its lords dying premature/unnatural deaths when given the lordship over harenhall

[@OldschoolHIT360]

There was good reason for Gargon Qoherys to be hated, he practiced the “lords night”. He would often find out about weddings and show up to deflower the bride, until he deflowered a maiden daughter of one of his servants who would open the sally port for harren the red.

[@nidohime6233]

Is called the lord's right.

[@OldschoolHIT360]

Nido Hime also called the lord’s night by the small folk

[@voltirussk4608]

It's called "first night" in asoiaf

[@WhiteMetalNinja]

Will you ever do a video just on the Golden Company or Aegon/young grif?

[@pinoproxy2828]

When will the book be out on sale for the finale of got?

[@yahboiyaa4922]

25 years

[@pinoproxy2828]

@@yahboiyaa4922 bruh

[@villekuronen6242]

@@yahboiyaa4922 nah thats when winds of winter comes it takes meybe 60 years more till last one comes

[@yahboiyaa4922]

@@villekuronen6242 forreal though I'm very sad to say we may never get it.

[@sausagejockyGaming]

Pino Proxy never, sadly martin will die before he finishes the last book and has stated that no one is allowed to right the books except him

[@tywinlannister8341]

There were never such thing as the kingdom of Riverlands. However, great video

[@nunyabiznes33]

I think it was united (at least most of it) under the Justman dynasty's rule but I don't remember if they styled themselves as kings of the Riverlands.

[@MADGUNSMONSTER]

Well if we go by the show, we saw what Danerys' dragon (Drogon) did to stone when she attacked Kings Landing. It demolished stone. It's still canon, even if we do DESPISE Dan & Dave now. Harrenhall was response for giving me my favourite scenes from the show: Every interaction between Twyin & Ayra.

[@rainluna9765]

Interesting video about the castle Harrenhal. Its worth wondering if being there makes the curse happen. Baelish never entered it.

[@AnthonyWilson-rp6bm]

Thanks for helping take down the serial killer, your reward is cleaning the house 😬

[@Creativerose1000]

I have a question. Is Harren the Black an enemy to House Stark?

[@elizabethbond4574]

I think he probably was an enemy to the Kings of Winter (as House Stark then were).

[@wisdommanari6701]

Meh he was pretty comfortable fucking with the Riverlands.

[@Creativerose1000]

@Elizabeth Bond Thanks 😁

[@ythandlename]

Ahh yes. Harrenhal. The halloween castle without a roof.

[@averyrandomllama6516]

Well for lady shella... they came and WHENT

[@jay-t1030]

So will the curse effect Littlefinger even though he has never set foot in the castle.

[@Ignisan_66]

maybe

[@hellsjamfleas]

In the books the curse seems more real because everyone who holds it during the war of 5 kings meets a sorry end, including a lot of the staff. Sansa asks Littlefinger- if we need to leave the Vale, would we go there. He laughs it off citing how active the curse has been and unappealing the castle, he only needed the title. They then joke about giving it to the Frays or Cerci. In book this is Martin enjoying the string of deaths connected to the castle. It would be confusing if the curse started affecting legal owners rather than people who stayed and had possession of the castle. However, Littlefinger is playing a dangerous game and is likely to die at some point, so although it wouldn't quite fit the pattern, Harrenhall will likely get some blame

[@miguelelias4909]

I'm wondering if in the books harrenhal will have a purpose in the long night. Seems a perfect place to defend and house multiple armies and survivors? Mayne that's why it's cursed, it purpose was probably to save people from the long night, not for wars or power

[@XTREME1246]

@whycreate What do you think a match between Ramsay Bolton and Danelle would've been like? Or any marriage between the two houses?

[@matiasrodriguez7408]

If I were rewarded with the seat of Harrenhal, the first thing I would do would be to empty the castle of people, loot it, and fill it with explosives so that the 5 towers collapse and the remains accumulate inside the walls, so that inhabiting that cursed ruin becomes an impossible task, any other castle in the region is a better seat than that monument to hubris The lands of Harrenhal are fertile, extensive, and are located in a strategic point for trade, if they were worked properly, you could become a powerful lord and possibly well connected in politics and the royal family (since the lands of Harrenhal are next to the capital)

[@michaeldiaz631]

loved the vid

[@seanmorris3765]

The God's eye looks like what craters here on Earth look like >.>

[@KorithStoneheart]

If the Targaryens hadn't have shown up with their dragons, the Ironborn would have ruled Westeros.

[@andrewward5891]

I doubt it. Haren had pretty much put everything he had into building Harenhall. He would have had the same problems garrisoning and supporting such a huge castle as everyone else who has had the misfortune of owning it. And Riverlands hated Haren for taking all their riches to build his huge castle. They were on the edge of rebellion when the dragons came. And while the Ironborn did well in the Riverlands where they can attack from their longboats aren’t very good at land combat. The Boultons drove them out of the North without much difficulty.

[@duukvanbraak8331]

Nice video!

[@Brandonhayhew]

This video should have made a long time ago

[@therealmotherofdragons8231]

Fire will reign 🔥🔥🔥

[@BUckENbooz]

Fuck no offense man but i was falling a sleep, felt like I was in history class again.

[@kristiandonchev2641]

Could the curse come from his location?

[@rc59191]

They should just tear down the parts they don't need and use the material to improve the wall and main keep.

[@C-White-88]

They can't build that advanced anymore, where we are in the story they are way behind where they were when they were building these huge castles. Storms End , Casterly Rock, The Wall , winterfell, they definitely would not be able to replicate any of these in the current story. Most of knowledge is lost.

[@ayiza8511]

I see you did not mention Oswell Whent the most famous member of house Whent.

[@RobbyHouseIV]

So Harrenhal was never repaired even though the complex was inhabited by later Houses? Seems kinda odd. When Littlefinger was given Harrenhal for his diplomatic efforts to merge House Baratheon which by then had effectively become an extension of House Lannister and House Tyrell he became the Lord Paramount of the Riverlands. A Lord Paramount required a capital to administer the region yet he was keen on wisely staying the hell away from the ruins of Harrenhal. So what did he have in mind to serve as his capital. I know Littlefinger married Lysa Arryn who had fled to Eyrie in season one after murdering her husband John Arryn who was Hand to King Robert Baratheon. In Season 4 Littlefinger orchestrates the poisoning of King Geoffrey at his wedding to Margaery of House Tyrell who run The Reach and extracts Sansa Stark in the process. What was Littlefinger's plans beyond the death of Lysa Arryn? How was he planning on ruling The Riverlands and from where? 🤔

[@toomanyaccounts]

its too vast to completely repair all of it. a place that can garrison a million men in medieval times is gigantic basically an entire city.

[@toomanyaccounts]

he was moving to manipulate Sweetrobin (who he believes will die due to being sick) by making the boy his ward, and rule from the Eyrie for the moment from what was in the most recent book

[@WiicBoyHunto]

Rip my boy harwin strong

[@joshallen4848]

Maybe they should have turned the place into a a fortified town of sorts rather than repeatedly trying to move one family + servants into it. lol 🥔

[@andrewz6986]

Rivers is the riverlands equivalent of snow so ya she was a bastard most likely

[@tb9360]

Can you do one about the first Thanksgiving with Jon Snow and Danny? Boy was that awkward!

[@kelsier1726]

I know more about the history of westeros than about the one of my own country, what's fucking wrong with me ?

[@eumemo4814]

Uh. Nothing? Can’t you open a book about the history of your country?

[@kieracunningham6805]

What ever happen to Alicent Hightower (Aegon the 2nd’s Mother) ?!?

[@Ignisan_66]

She died during the Winter Fever in 133 AC.

[@kieracunningham6805]

Tom Bombadil really I tried looking it up they said she captured and in the dungeons until the rest of her days idk lol but thank you

[@NYCeesFinest]

I feel like Littlefinger.

[@Mike-vh9gs]

I dont think the targaryens burnt the castle the on the harren moved. I believe they arrived in Westeros on the day they moved in

[@saimanikanta2317]

The harrenhall is cursed.. I mean it's cursed haha .. Guess who's gonna add up the list next ??

[@Southern_Crusader]

After Littlefingure House Frankenstein will take over.

[@jarednewitt484]

The one thing I don't get with the lore is how can towers be a bastards name in the books but yet we have a noble family by the name house towers?

[@nunyabiznes33]

Towers is a bastard name? Which region?

[@ptptpt123]

Dragon fire can't melt stone walls

[@judeau9151]

mid-bleezy again here and thankful for the GoT fix +1

[@Hijamerd]

I love your voice

[@kryptonite7743]

George RR Martin's books are like sopies

[@nhmooytis7058]

Yet people kept taking this hot potato. You can’t fix stupid. As for the last one, they came and they Whent. I’ll see myself out...

[@michaelhawkins7389]

Game of Thrones session 8 was shit. Why did they m"Dan and David" ,mess it up

[@biologicallyyaseen]

EARLY GANG

[@SHARKVADERS]

WC!!!