Harriet Martineau & Gender Conflict Theory: Crash Course Sociology #8

[@storyspren]

Judging by the like to dislike ratio, this video's pretty controversial. For what? Describing what each wave of feminism is about?

Try to get an honest description of third wave feminism from a feminist who also happens to be in love with Authoritarianism, Collectivism and thus Marxism Good luck! She's doesn't have a shred of intellectual honesty which is the biggest problem

[@TeaRex]

Or a response to the oppression of women...

[@aaefvacce]

You've honestly shouldn't have asked when. You built yourself your own trap. Should have stuck with how.

[@TeaRex]

While I assume some are you cannot make such blanket statements and expect them to be accurate...

[@TeaRex]

Sources to these claims would be interesting, I don't think there was a lot of voting going on in feudalist Europe

[@NotaWalrus1]

Saw the like-dislike ratio and braced for some patronizing speech that promotes all feminism indiscriminately, I got... an explanation of the history of feminist sociologists? What's the deal with that ratio?

[@justthecoolestdudeyo9446]

Any discussion of feminism that isn't "feminists are just dumb pigs who want to make men second-class citizens" gets an automatic downvote from certain people. Assholes, assholes downvoted it

[@amitherobyn5081]

Male Sentient Void what good things???????

[@alecrisser12]

Male Sentient Void Hitler only pretended to be a vegetarian to shape his public image. I see what you're saying, but that's a piss poor argument you gave.

[@alecrisser12]

Just the Coolest Dude Yo Well I hate to say it, but they're many feminists who fit that description.

[@alecrisser12]

Male Sentient Void Pretending to be something, and striving to be something without success are different things. I call myself an egalitarian, yet I don't pretend my opinions are objective. Realizing that one most strongly held beliefs are subjective, is the first step to correcting one's own bias in a never-ending attempt to be objective.

[@almeidajonathan42]

Seeing how a video about women fighting for their rights gets so many downvotes by a community that I once thought was supposedly educated is just sad.

[@RobMidder]

Jonathan Rocha there are a subgroup of subscribers whose whole reason for subscribing is to downvote and criticize anything related to women or minorities. It's a sad life they live

[@ktg619]

Its rather unfortunate

[@roelbalaraw]

"In Science, when human behavior enters the equation, things go nonlinear. That's why Physics is easy and Sociology is hard." -Neil deGrasse Tyson

[@MicahBuzanANIMATION]

Sociology has so much political bias it's hard to call it a Science.

[@oliverock4092]

@@MicahBuzanANIMATION Yeah? 😧 Okay buddy.

[@amadeojacohinde3630]

I study sociology, and yes is hard, mostly because of the high complexity of sociologist concepts and language, but definetly it's not harder than physics. Nothing like calculus and advanced maths used in relativity and quantum physics in sociology: those are subjetcs harder to grasp. With sociology, let´s say is just about "getting the jargen", to be honest. Too many abstraction and subjectivity over here, unlike hard sciences

[@TheEdwardAlchemist]

@@amadeojacohinde3630 It is a mistake to view sociology as a soft science. It's not political like the first commenter said, even though it can seem that way because of social conflict theory. It is a hard science. The conclusions and hypotheses are drawn from real data that held to a scientific standard.

[@sarmadtalib2427]

@@MicahBuzanANIMATION Maybe you just disagree with the science and so you dismiss the results as political.

[@alineplanello4726]

I imagine that people that see the crash course videos want to learn something. Right? I'm impressed by the number of individuals that actually don't wanna learn anything that is not what they wanna listen to. Guys, in case you didn't notice this is not an opinion video, it is history.

[@Carols989]

i feel like some ppl just see a title with "gender" "feminism" or "race" and dislike the video without watching it

[@holdenmcgroin9687]

Totally. It was a great video. Dudes are like "feminism hurts my balls!!!!" It's not a zero-sum game, guys. There are enough rights to go around. Like education; if you have it, you can give it away and still keep yours.

[@Carols989]

sure is buddy, sure is... time to take a nap

[@Carols989]

right??? she didnt even say something amazingly revolutionary, but apparently just the good ol' maybe women deserve equal rights and gender roles are a Thing is apparently TOO MUCH

[@valerieblackwell5765]

Crusader Badtower CLEARLY I mean women have never done good things in history like Catherine the great, just ruined russia ya know? :^)

[@TheDansonT]

Yep, pretty much

[@Sackofbooks]

The most controversial thing in this video is the spelling of "labour" without a "u." Fight me.

[@SchiferlED]

THAT IS A PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE WAY TO SPELL IT, BUT "LABOR" IS ALSO ACCEPTABLE.

[@Sackofbooks]

No, it is not.

[@SchiferlED]

Damn, you got me there.

[@istandwithjkrowling3098]

lol

[@James-pb7kr]

Yes.

[@mustardsfire22]

Dear Nicole, Nick, Hank, John, and everyone else at Crash course. This is a fantastic video and one of the most deeply representative of the philosophy of the youngest generation of Americans. In fact, it's one of my favorite KZbin videos. Please disregard the toxic comments and keep making videos like this and do not sacrifice knowledge for likes. Sincerely best wishes, Me and (hopefully) the rest of Nerdfighteria.

[@rowandebeaufort5193]

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[@rredureis]

That´s a falacy!!! Everyone is not biologically identical, but you would not categorise men differently between then, as you would not categorise women differently between them, it´s just when they are in the same group that this idea that biological changes matters appers from nothing, thats funny isnt it? men are consider equal, women are consider equal, put all in the same place and everyone is different? Explain why? Why a Group of Men from all over the world have the same rights, roles in society and have biology ignored?

[@Sennith]

I sincerely doubt, that you comprehend the amount of different perspectives these dislikes are coming from. Implying, you likely assume it is all coming from one perspective.

[@zombiesurvivalattacktatics3943]

"please discard all valid criticism of a video that is full of feminist propaganda". There just translated your post for you.

[@margony6921]

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[@leocelente]

I don't understand. What is so controversial in this video?

[@BiPaganMan]

There are people who will dislike anything with "gender" in the title, add to that the people who only come to claim that sociology isn't a science (they think only the hard sciences count) and you'll be pilling up the dislikes and nasty comments

[@eneryi4457]

Because kids and manchilds that don't interact with woman and/or have no ability to think for themselves in an objective manner on some topics

[@bdk336]

There is quite a bit of controversy over third and fourth wave feminism which many people believe has some very unhealthy ideas and practices and which has a fair degree of influence in academic institutions, media and politics. Because she isn't really critiquing feminism and conflict theory/intersectionality some people see this as her promoting them. I'm reserving judgement until we get further into the series.

[@Carols989]

i've seen people criticizing (english is not my first language and im sleepy sorry) other waves of feminist, specially american ones cuz they tended to be very... well, racist, on the beginning. What do you think are some flaws of intersectional feminism?

[@TRAVisty_James]

phoenixkhost Straw Man fallacy: deliberately miss interpreting an argument in order to make it easier to attack. please explain how I fall under this category. I'll wait

[@Naruedyoh]

Do any of the downvoters understand de difference between explaining and endorsing?

[@kdoe1305]

Naruedyoh Nope. Bunch of retards.

[@TheIllestDubie]

Naruedyoh if you wanted to know, I think it isn't useful to use group identity at all. Crash Course is wasting time on Frankfurt school propaganda.

[@bartsfartandshart]

Yes. The woman in the video claims basically 'Hurr Hurr, everything was bad before feminism' as seen in with her adressing the oppertunity chances. Secondly, she adresses 'patriarchy' as for men only and there could be no such thing as a female patriarchy.

[@ArtificialDuality]

Of course! For example when you gloss over a topic, present only the worst case, then use the bandwagon to let the viewer know lot's of smart people don't like it... then move on to another thing that you present as the only other option.... You're a tad biased, and I'd even reasonably assume that you're *endorsing* that second thing in your false dichotomy.

[@fede22081]

I see nothing wrong with the both regarding this video

[@divinearcher32]

The salt from this comment section will go perfectly with my popcorn

[@Crusender]

where i got the butter?

[@Chronically_ChiII]

Crusender From the fat feminist.

[@Sennith]

What kind of unearthly being eats their popcorn salty? You disgust me! Pfah

[@Chronically_ChiII]

Sennith Uhm.. Idk.. The majority of popcorn eaters? If you eat your popcorns with sugar then your moral sense is worse than ISIS'. If you spice it with something else non-sweet, then you are forgiven.

[@Sennith]

Honey! Thats what Popcorn is supposed to be coated in, you evil space alien demon from another dimension!

[@AyaMBayomi]

if there is something the mix of this course and the comments on its videos taught me is that some people don't know distinction between "recognizing other people's differences and respecting them" and "dealing with difference as a justification to hate and condescend them"

[@treymedley]

I'm always so confused when people react so virulently to subjects like this. Especially when the title of the video should make it clear the video will be discussing gender theory, gendered approaches to sociology, and intersectionality. There's no bait and switch. (I mean, how dare an education video attempt to challenge embedded societal ideas that arise from patriarchal structures). Don't let the haters get you down. This was a dispassionate, largely unbiased approach to gender and gender conflict theory (and didn't even touch on the more thorny issues). Well done, Crash course.

[@Xeth247]

I thought this video was going to make me angry. It didn't, even though I was nit-picking all the way through it. Awesome job crash course writers and editors! I'm sure you put a lot of time into making sure you had an accurate, and informative video. I commend you. Although, my nit-picking DID pick on something. It's something that rarely applies, but I understand that the feminist goal of equality would also oppose matriarchy as/if it occurs, as well as patriarchy. That's mostly because feminists tend to live in patriarchal societies. I would also like to thank for the note of mentioning women AND feminists as separate entities, because not all women are feminists, and not are feminists are women. Also, another thanks for talking about more than the gender stuff when talking about Martineau. It's valuable to know that there are female scholars who study more than just gender, as it brings them out of those ditches in all areas of study. We should spend time remembering people not just for their sex, but for what they did to contribute to their areas of study.

[@rowandebeaufort5193]

Male Sentient Void I am very curious who are you why do you make such hatefull comments

[@rowandebeaufort5193]

batman???????????????????????????????????

[@indubitablyzara]

~appreciates thoughtful comment~

[@ihartevil]

what needed to happen was not fall into the MRA trap about waves for there to be waves it means that feminism had to end so at what point in maya angelous life before she died did she stop fighting for equal rights for all

[@garethdean6382]

Interesting, where can I see gender conflict theory in action? Ah.

[@user-yw9mw9hv8o]

OMG, LISTEN FIRST, REFLECT. THEN CRITICIZE COSTRUCTIVELY. dont be so oversensitive, this is full of well-sereached facts, a very well produced video, omfg

[@hsbchsjajsjjccdohchhxhzjzj3195]

For those of you who do not understand, sociology does not further the disparity between groups; rather, it recognizes that over history until now society has created separate groups, the social statuses across them, being unequal. Yes, unequal. And with the inequality being so widespread among so many different groups, the groups become real on the basis that group members face inequalities unique to them; Blacks: segregation, Women: unequal pay, Veterans: lack of health resources, etc. Sociology, seeing this, hopes to remedy those social groups by recognizing the group differences in unequal treatment. If you dislike the video or sociology because if mentions these differences, then you do not care about equality, you ignore the problem and become it, thereby.

[@abhishekkumar3679]

Charles K. What if the problem is no longer relevant? What if it is based on wrong notions?

[@joesouthwell4080]

if sociology is seeking to "remedy" anything, then it's not a science. It's a cause.

[@bangboom123]

+Joe Southwell By that logic, medical research is a social justice movement.

[@xenoblad]

Good year tire disputes your claim of unequal pay. : P

[@pushpanjuli754]

Charles K. Ii

[@principetnomusic]

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE! LET THE COMMENT SECTION BUUUUUURN!

[@tanukioh]

Imperios oy, ah you wun o' dem Korn gits? Das not propah orky! I'z gonna learn you da wayz o' Gork and Mork! WAAAAARRRGH!!!!

[@ilhamabdulhakim9554]

im gonna eat a khorne soup while scrolling trough the comments

[@theakbars98]

MILK FOR THE KHORNE FLAKES!

[@Yawgmothx]

BREAK THEIR BACKS!

[@DominickvdHoff]

I guess when you call white american women racist you get 50% dislikes on your video. She described 3rd wave feminism, said the quote nicely described it. It might be forward of me, but i assume she herself would identify as a feminist and thus agree with that 3rd wave feminist movement and it's statement. I don't know why you are defending someone who is ok with calling an entire race racist. Are whites that bad? What did i do? And what is with marx popping up everywhere? this seems like a huge underlying ideological issue that deserves its own video discussion with proponents and opponents. It seems the key pillar yet it's ignored completely.

[@mikkicarr5717]

Why the dislikes? This was simply an unbiased video explaining feminism and the people who contributed to its theory. The presenter never expressed her opinion on it.

[@midnightsg]

This comment section is going to be great and everyone is going to get along just fine!

[@Papalovesleo]

midnightsg I sure do love a nice relaxing day where everyone can be happy on the internet

[@Chronically_ChiII]

midnightsg These garbage comments are getting so boring.

[@camellia_black]

G.G. Agreed. When did outrage get so boring?

[@lois7956]

I have good feelings about that young Ned Stark in Game of Thrones, he'll definitely rule the 7 kingdoms at the end :P

[@victorc8944]

when people don't realize she's just stating one facet of Sociology and the whole series will cover other facets besides feminist theory 🙄

[@spacebread501]

this comment section gonna be good. *grabs popcorn*

[@darrinkelly6891]

Jens Hans lol true XD

[@ianalvord3903]

You gonna share that popcorn?

[@puskajussi37]

Peanuts and lemonade, right here! Only 10 bucks for a combo!

[@tomgordon001]

Make space on that couch for me

[@darrinkelly6891]

Tom G same

[@TheAnimeguy44]

HER GLASSES MATCH HER SHIRT YAAAS

[@JenHurler]

This was such a great and neutral way to break down a very complicated topic. Well done, Crash Course. : )

[@victoriaridgway2286]

The like to dislike ratio is insane! Thank you for making this video! Thank you for speaking so objectively!

[@skykid]

Feminism really sets people off, even just a brief scholarly summary of it... well that's fine, people get offended by so many things, it's like you have to protect their feelings with every word you say publicly...

[@DoneDragon1]

im glad ive been watching this series, its taught me a lot about how our society works without giving into biasis. keep up the good work

[@Bubbleztoo]

What if this video is also a test to see how many people will downvote because it talks about feminism.

[@divinearcher32]

yo that's so meta

[@istandwithjkrowling3098]

+Jarful of piss And those two things are exactly the same? Is there any point in me trying to be logical here?

[@Chrome166]

Oh my god, I understand now. It's a new branch of sociology called meta-feminism, the study of people's reactions to information about feminism.

[@DabIMON]

Apparently over one third of all viewers... This is why we can't have nice things...

Ah feminism...Anyone who actually stands for equality opposes it "but muh dictionary definition!" I'd mention first and second wave as positive but the terrorists it bred that bombed public places and attempted to assassinate politicians. Second accomplished to give women rights men don't even have reproductive rights

[@mullac1992]

I have a feeling that all the people saying "Unsubscribed" weren't subbed in the first place, but will come back next week to downvote anyway. What a way to live one's life, silencing scientific theories you don't agree with.

[@pramitbanerjee]

it is the kind of behaviour that promotes hatred and suffering, instead of tolerance and open mindedness. It is the reason we have polarization of thought and ideas. The world is infinite and gray, but the human intellect is small and simple, it must classify in simple manner. I will tell you this - i shall always be intellectually humble. Go to www.coursera.org and search for the course on intellectual humility.

[@Leon-le9cn]

"scientific" huehuehuehue good one

[@BennKay]

Very often sociology doesn't follow the scientific method. Bad science is everywhere

[@nickparisho5266]

Sociology is a soft science

[@aajjeee]

there is no silencing, the point is not to prevent people from hearing ideas, but that the position taken in the video deserves an unsubcribe (according to them). the only people i have seen actively silencing is ''feminists'' attempting do have MRA meeting cancelled or movies as the red pill not to be shown. I stand with both feminists and MRA btw, no issue should be neglected

[@PreacherAtArrakeen]

I am grateful for one of my Sociology Profs for having Martineau in her syllabus. Hi Susan Hoecker-Drysdale, wherever you are!

[@QueerKidStuff]

Thanks for covering gender and feminism! This was AWESOME!

[@jamescarmody4713]

Agreed! Sociology makes so much sense, you just need to understand it.

[@starrnguyen]

*sips tea and waits for the shitstorm to approach*

[@wtblack5]

TACTICAL SALT, TAKE COVER!!! BEEE-DOOO BEEE-DOOO BEEE-DOOO

[@Eventhorizon1122]

Sips tea and waits for more posts instigating drama

[@jadzzzz]

I don't think that the people who disliked this video even watched it. It has about zero opinion, just definitions and history.

[@CherylMcMinorrr]

I've taken Sociology classes and obviously as aspect of that included feminism but I've never heard the name Harriet Martineau before... Or if I have only in passing so I've forgotten it rather than the amount of focus people like Marx and Durkheim get that I would never forget those names. Weird. Also keep it up! I'd only ever heard the word "feminist" mentioned in scornful way before I actually heard my Sociology tutors talk and learned for myself that it isn't a inherently awful word. Glad I didn't stand up in class, shout UNSUBBED and walk out before bothering to learn something :)

[@pssurvivor]

Why so many downvotes?? People in the US might laugh off feminism, or hate its practitioners. But it's a truth that the vast majority of the world has and does benefit from at least examining it.

[@VictoriaCaswell]

Harriet Martineau is from my hometown and it's cool to see her recognised! Elizabeth Fry is also from the same city and the first woman to campaign for Prison Reform, something Martineau was passionate about.

[@TheCowgirlgem]

Well done! I am always impressed by the way crash course succinctly explains big ideas and movements.

[@shingshongshamalama]

Oh dear, you defined sex and gender as separate things. People get really butthurt about that. Because apparently a lot of people on youtube think they're more qualified to define those things than people who study them for a living.

[@tothumn]

-Everyone gets sex and gender are different but only complete morons think they are unrelated. -and theologians study religion for a living, because its appealing to people, but nice try.

[@zombiesurvivalattacktatics3943]

"Because apparently a lot of people on youtube think they're more qualified to define those things than people who study them for a living." Empty appeal to authority. Feminism is nonsense, someone who studies it for a living and believes it is as credible field has less credibility than the average lay person. This is coming from someone who doesn't think much about the smartness of the average lay person. I would take a biologists and anthropologists opinion on sex and gender over a feminists any day.

[@shingshongshamalama]

So because YOU say something it's true?

[@kenichimorita9780]

Zombie Survival Attack Tatics Resources You say empty appeal to authority, but it's also a fallacious ad hominem argument to argue that a person presenting statements lacks authority and thus their arguments themselves do not need to be considered, which is what you seem to be doing with the second half of your comment. I think it's also worth pointing out that "feminist" and "sociologist" are not exactly interchangeable terms, so I'm not really sure why you're treating them as such.

[@shingshongshamalama]

Countering a crappy argument by pointing out that it's not an argument but a deflection is not invalid. It is an attempt to bring attention to the failure of the original argument.

[@Reiswaffel]

When discussing the waves of feminism, maybe add a disclaimer, that it is very much focused on the US feminist movement. The way it is now, it sounds like women suffrage started in the US.

[@osaleh94]

Really enjoyed this episode, as usual! CC sociology and CC mythology are definetly competing with CC astronomy for my favourite. Simply loved this episode, especially how well you explained the 3 waves of feminism.

[@bioniclestef]

[sees title] I wish you good fortune in the wars to come.

[@oliverulrichsandoval]

ppl triggererd at the mere mention of the word gender

[@Tuckems]

Male Sentient Void no thats Feminazism

[@pigsnot1]

People who are disliking this video simply because it is conveying the concept of gender conflict need to seriously grow up. Even if you dislike the concept, it is still an idea that exists and is used by many people. Don't be mad at crash course for simply explaining what this concept is just because you disagree with the viewpoints of gender conflict theory. If you want to critique it, by all means do so, but don't get angry at the messengers

[@CamelDance]

She defines her terms quite clearly, I like that. It's always important to define your terms, rather than use a word that can have many meanings and say 'but the meaning I use is the /real/ meaning!' as so many in the comment section appear to do.

[@ylteylte]

This is such a coincidence. I am writing an essay for Critical Psychology, where I am kind of challenging the methodologies of mainstream Psychology, which led to inequalities in society. I am mainly focusing on gender and sexuality. I have to submit tomorrow morning and I am really stuck. Then suddenly I get a notification from KZbin about this. THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!!!

[@RaritytheDressmaker]

Methods in mainstream psychology lead to inequalities in society..? What?

[@ylteylte]

Josef Little maybe you should look at Critical Psychology, Philosophy and Anthropology.

[@hoptoads]

Modern psychology is dominated by feminists. So yes, modern psychology leads to inequality.

[@ylteylte]

hoptoads do you even know what feminism is? Based on this comment I assume you don't. And no, psychology is not dominated by feminists, unfortunately.

[@bdk336]

What wave of feminism are we talking about? If it's third or fourth I'd agree with you but not second.

[@coquimarinero7246]

This was a pretty good video. I found it informative and will research further. It seems like this one was trying to a lot more information than prior videos, though. The topic may have benefitted from more than one video

[@bro_what777]

Watching this for my sociology class, wonderful video

[@avery-quinnmaddox5985]

This is education, pure and simple. This video shouldn't be a place for petty flame wars.

[@MicahBuzanANIMATION]

Men and Women are different. This is a fact of biology. For most of human history we were hunter gatherers. Our evolutionary history has had a huge impact on behavior differences between men and women - no amount of social engineering is going to change our limbic systems or neurological sex differences.

[@FuckFakePpl]

I don't get all the hate on this video, even if you don't understand or agree with feminism. This video was intended to be informative, which it is. Don't shoot the messenger.

[@FuckFakePpl]

I wouldn't say that feminists in general are censoring. In fact, I would say that feminism is all about discussion. In my experience, a lot of time when I try to discuss equality and feminism, I'm actually the one that gets shut down immediately. A lot of people completely disregard feminism without giving it a chance, as there's always going to be people who will shut down opposing views, no matter what school of science they belong to. I do however believe that most feminists (just like most people who do not identify with that term) will at least hear you out, as long as one go about discussing in a civilized and mature way.

[@stormelemental13]

In my case, I disliked because it wasn't informative. The video didn't explain the principles of gender-conflict theory as a distinct theory and didn't show how to use this theory to examine sociological issues. Telling me a theory is like another theory with elements of another theory is not useful. Briefly going over the waves of feminism instead of talking about the theory we are supposed to be talking about is not useful. And thus, I downvote. I would have much preferred the episode do a thought bubble example of how to use gender-conflict theory to examine a phenomenon, such as why the majority of primary educators are women.

[@FuckFakePpl]

Eric Taysom Fair point. I think CC would benefit from changing the title of the episode to fit the actual content a little better :)

[@arturmo1046]

As a anthropologist I was happy with this light inside view. As I observe the news topics and videos about gender topic I see so much hate towards the information (80% are responses from men). That is why I love it = the topics are looking deep in a not healed wound if our society. It hurts, but this treatment is necessary. As a guy I learn so much about women and my own gender. It's fascinating and painful the same time :)

[@stormelemental13]

+Dalnbetweenah Indeed, with 4 minutes of the content about feminism, it might have been good to include it in the title. ^_^

[@Lordwakawaka]

This was an informative, well made, and accurate video. Frankly, the amount of sexism and just plain meaness in this comment section disgusts me. I expected better from the crash course viewers

[@incollectio]

How do you define "identity"? Specifically, I'm interested in two possible dimensions to be considered in the definition: a) Is "identity" one individual thing including many aspects (e.g. "my identity is a CIS-gendered white female etc.")? Or is "identity" one thing included in some larger whole (e.g. "my identities are CIS-gendered, white, and female etc.")? b) Does (or should) "identity" include biological categories (e.g. sex and skin color) as well as social categories (e.g. gender)? Concerning (a): If "identity" is the latter, can people not claim a potentially infinite number of identities, and that can be individually appealed to when any perceived inequalities between the large number of identities are discovered (and even if most of an individual’s identities might by some standards be privileged, it only takes one to identify as a "victim")? Or are there some boundaries to what can be an identity (to appeal to)? If "identity" is the former, this problem doesn't seem to follow (at least not as easily), as the one identity is a unique mixture of many things; some aspects socially perceived as positive, some negative, some neutral, and many of them moving, thus forming a dynamic aggregate. Concerning (b): If our identities include many things that are socially (if not individually) constructed, doesn't that especially imply that the first concern about (a) might follow? At least if some boundaries to what genders, for example, can be constructed, are not defined. And insofar as we identify with biological categories, that cannot change, how productive is that if the goal is to diminish the social problems based on biological categories? And furthermore: insofar as we have any group-affiliation categories in our identity (be those biological or social affiliations), are we not upholding said group-affiliations and thus possible group-conflict between them?

[@Mr0Ma]

There seems to be a false dichotomy here. Gender is either absolutely biologically determined or socially/culturally constructed. Both factors play part in complex relationships and ignoring any of them is wrong. Steven Pinker wrote a great book about this tendency to ignore one or another of these factors known as The Blank Slate: Modern Denial of Human Nature.

[@Emmamake]

This video verbalised for me so many ideas that were floating about in my head. I now finally know what intersectionality is - thank you! 😁

[@LadyTaraJo]

This is the first time I've seen someone talk about these issues without using them as justification for being a huge jerk. Good job!

[@drogonaut2012]

>Historical utter dominance of men in all leading positions in all western society >Queen Victoria

[@simongiles9749]

Who had to face an enormous amount of resistance within the establishment to her becoming Queen in the first place.

[@alinekelley7214]

Very agreeable way to discuss it. I think the reason people are so opposed to Intersectionality is caused by the assumption that it's extremely black and white when it comes to what provides advantages and hindrances especially in a way that feels completely devoid of nuance in the individual's experience. I don't think it's fair to say that without question one group always has an inherent privilege over another in every societal case. There's a myriad of possibilities and experiences, so Intersectionality should reflect that.

[@goshapopov3393]

Thank you for sharing the truth, regardless of how people may feel about it.

[@jamescarmody4713]

I’m a white, male, heterosexual Irish-Slavic-American. My ancestors knew suffering, and I’m proud to descend from them!

[@zephaniahpodlewski2965]

Are their any non politically biased sociology courses?

[@orenashkenazi9813]

Another fantastic video explaining both the roots of Gender Conflict and the importance of intersectionality.

[@orenashkenazi9813]

I'm curious to know if you say that because you don't think different forms of discrimination don't overlap, like sexism and racism might overlap for a black woman, or because you don't think any of those discrimination exist at all.

[@orenashkenazi9813]

So does that mean it's the second one? You don't think sexism, racism, or any of the prejudices commonly discussed as part of intersectionality exist, so a theory combining them doesn't make sense?

[@orenashkenazi9813]

So it isn't really intersectionality that you have a problem with. Internsectionality is just the idea that multiple times of discrimination can over lap. I'm guessing by your profile name that you believe that men suffer discrimination, and that white people suffer discrimination. In that case, intersectionality would refer to the overlapping discrimination faced by white men. None of that is true of course and you're living in a fantasy universe, but that fantasy still allows for intersectionality.

[@zombiesurvivalattacktatics3943]

If men can't suffer discrimination, why do they get longer prison sentences for the same crime?

[@orenashkenazi9813]

Nothing passive aggressive about it, Analyzing, my dude. You are clearly racist and misogynist, and I'm not trying to convince you to abandon those beliefs because it would be a waste of my time. You are in way to deep for anything I say to reach you on those fronts. I'm just trying to show you that your problem isn't actually with the idea of intersectionality. You clearly believe that multiple types of discrimination can overlap, it's just that you have chosen fictional ones rather than real ones.

[@freyanichuagain1211]

This was really well done, keep up the good work

[@rudyblock619]

I love the video, not many books or people talk about the declaration of sentiment... half the people here don't even have Degrees or went to college , so again thanks for the quick lesson on gender conflict theory.

[@herp_derpingson]

This video just describes the history. Why the dislikes?

[@valerieblackwell5765]

some people seem to automatically dislike this series and I legitimately can't understand why, I disagree with third wave feminism but they are educating about subjects of sociology and to an extent feminism, they aren't telling you to believe this or that, if they do then you can dislike the video if you so wish but you cant plug your ears and say "lalala" everytime somebody says something you dont wanna hear

[@lois7956]

Guys, as a girl who's not a feminist....this video isn't bad! It's a good video on Sociology, what's with the downvotes? This is why I drink, I swear

[@jamesharbor4893]

I await the day where we stand together as humanity. Not by race or gender or whatever the hell we do to seperate ourselves and others, but for now I'll just read the comments and hope for humanity to settle down.

[@PixieLady45]

Thank you for discussing the waves of feminism. Great video!

[@Spoot1RHGL]

there wasn t really a lot to say about gender conflict as a sociological topic in this video. you just told us about the history and conext of the topic

[@grimtheghastly8878]

Definitely showing this to the social justice in at my school. They're gonna love it.

[@sociologyforallexams522]

i like the way you speck out ''the suck ''it is the anger of suppression.and atrocities of past.

[@AB-eq9mm]

the thing about intersectionality is that eventually the intersection gets so small that you are the only one left in it.

[@ArleneIgwe]

* * That's the point. Different people come from different backgrounds with different experiences and different views.

[@AB-eq9mm]

Arlene Igwe im commenting more on the unnecessary use of class warfare language when really its individuals.

[@Pensnmusic]

We already had an individualist culture that promoted individual characteristics over the class or group distinctions of the past. We are now trying to emphasize the differences between groups in spite of that philosophy because somehow that will get us back to that philosophy, but better.

[@dlat1825]

This video (1) unnecessarily perpetuates American nationalist myths and exceptionalism - only what happens in the US matters (2) enters into little detail on Gender Conflict Theory. (3) provides an unbalanced historical coverage -- it ignores all other countries and implies that feminism was pioneered in the United States. (4) mentions only Harriet Martineau because she visited the United States.

[@minmax5]

Jesus christ why the thumbs down? this is simply an explaining of these concepts, not a declaration of their factuality.

[@NadiaG1998]

This video was smoothest of the whole series

[@Antenox]

864 people read the title and immediately disliked.

[@Crusender]

how do you know?

[@Antenox]

Because it *always* happens when any video on KZbin tries to discuss feminism in any serious matter. Anti-feminists and MRAs will flood it and spam the dislike button. It doesn't matter how level-headed or objective the discussion in the video, the behavior from the MRA cesspool is always predictable.

[@Chronically_ChiII]

Antenox Wow a basless statement. Let me try: 'All the likes come from people who saw the title and immediately liked.. Most of them are also in bad shape and blame the patriarchy for their own problems. ' How did I do?

[@cv4809]

Antenox Yup I confirm it

[@dandansen4261]

Antenox Personally I watched it before disliking it. Intellectual dishonesty should always be downvoted.

[@zeromailss]

I'm now loving sociology as much as psychology and philosophy

[@zeromailss]

and I can't understand why a lot of people don't

[@Farisss92]

Most are men or White people who can't fathom the amount of indirect oppression they have visited upon other people.

[@shroom2k]

The Crash Course on psychology was shite

[@gay5023]

He says, perpetuating the hate towards women he claims don't exist. Nice quandary, there, mate. Always lovely when people contradict themselves. Stupid people are endlessly entertaining.

[@gay5023]

No, however what you did say was that women are the most privileged and aren't oppressed. And then oppressed a woman. Funny how that works out.

[@Dionysus24779]

*sees title* "This is a bad idea" *sees like/dislike ratio* "Ayep..." To be fair the video was fairly neutral, just explaining things.

[@LilLibben]

I'm confused at the dislike bar... nothing offensive was stated, all that was said was that peoples experiences are different depending on their class, race and gender and explaining what the waves of feminism are. There was no bias, no one saying how you should and shouldn't think, it was just a statement of facts. I'm genuinely confused by the ratio of likes to dislikes.

[@ThatAnnoyingBird]

I'm just gonna give this video about a day or two when the shitstorm settles.

[@joshwilner5622]

Mistergamer9892 good idea I might have to steal it after a 30 second look at these comments

[@skyemiddletonx9006]

I wouldn't hold your breath, this is youtube after all

[@thesirenofwoods]

I don't understand why the shitstorm. I hope you learned that feminism does not equal man hating. But I guess not.

[@Cultura2p0]

I am a little puzzled about the problem of celebrating Marx and ignoring Martineau. While now it is clear to me what was revolutionary in Marx, I didn't really get what was great about Martineau except vulgarization of other works.

[@justinehecht1197]

I really love crash course...but this doesn't actually explain what gender conflict theory is, and instead just talks about women who were, or are, sociologists and a narrow history of feminism. So it's awesome to know women sociologists and this history, but to talk about their lives, and less about their ideas...I mean that recreates that gendered assumptions that gender conflict theory works to unearth and transform in the first place. Gender conflict theory argues that social structures work to maintain gender inequality through the structural enforcement of gender roles. For example, maternal leave is assumed, but paternal leave is understood as an exception to the norm. This results in the reinforcement of the idea that women are natural caretakers, and men are naturally breadwinners. This also ends up reinforcing pay inequality as the domestic labor women do to raise children is not paid, and we know that having a child decreases women's lifelong earning, but increases men's. These are the types of social phenomena that gender conflict theory seek to understand and explain. Secondly, the first wave of feminism was actually kicked off by the movement to abolish slavery, as white women who were opposed to slavery, fled the south to join the Abolition movement. When speaking publicly against slavery, white women faced all kinds of ridicule and violence and were told to go back to the kitchen, more or less. So they realized in order to fight against slavery, they also had to fight for their rights as women. And thus, intersectionality actually begins during the 1800s, not the 1990s, as bell hooks' book Ain't I a Woman gesture towards, as she draws on female former slave and abolitionist, Sojourner Truth who gave a speech by the same title.

[@Davao420]

omg, the thumbs down! hahaha! so fragile. this video was awesome.

[@kimone6831]

Oh goodness. I weep for the thumbs down and the comment section. I loved this one.

[@Whatiswithsomepeople]

phoenixkhost i agree it isnt science but the vid portrays these as ideas not facts

[@dlat1825]

There are significant criticisms to be made: (1) this video unnecessarily perpetuates American nationalist myths and exceptionalism. (2) It entered into little detail on Gender Conflict Theory. (3) a unbalanced historical coverage -- it ignores all other countries and implies that feminism was pioneered in the United States. (4) Harriet Martineau is primarily mentioned for her US visit

[@Lill0fD]

The like to dislike ratio is fascinating to me right now. Not once have you mentioned the gender issues at the time. I had to remember it all. In hindsight, it was a very damaging time for feminism in general and not because of the "not-a-real-feminist" argument people like myself hid behind to ignore actual issues. The media coverage was really damaging at the time, focusing on caricatures instead of the actual problems being presented. Truth is, men had a fear of matriarchy. Taking every word of feminism and the caricatures being presented and thinking of the motivations being a shift in power rather than a stabilization. I remember a lot of the arguments back then, and I will admit in embarrassment that I believed some of these people claiming that these feminists didn't aim for equality and were focusing on the wrong things. In a way they were right about focus on the wrong things, but that wasn't the feminists, it was the debunking narrative. Let's take the ban bossy situation for example. The focus in reaction was the sillyness of banning the word, and... yeah... the banning of the word is silly. In hindsight though, the ban bossy was trying to talk about the real problem women have to face of stereotypes and gender discrimination. The word itself wasn't the problem, but ignoring it was not a solution. There is a true problem where words are more harmful to a minority voice than to the privileged. I'm a white male, so I have the advantage of being able to laugh words away and not have to worry about my future. Us being called bossy is not something that can affect us, even in the most sensitive of levels. Meanwhile, as a small girl, being called bossy is something that does have more consequence as a female. That word does become a weapon and does push them down from being able to be stronger than they can be. If boys got called bossy and, let's say cried about it at home... it's more likely a father figure would describe the tears towards that as silly. The stereotypical boy would have some sort of support, even if it seems minor. You'd think a girl would have something similar at home, the only difference being gender. Without making assumptions, I'm just going to bring up that a nagging wife is a stereotype that is still presented in modern media. Yet that being said... at the time, that reality wasn't the focus. The focus was that some silly woman was doing something silly. The reaction was to shut it down, treating this problem with behavior therapy when it needed psychoanalyzing.

[@dittoma]

I know there's a lot of hate for this video for a controversial topic, and I don't wan't to help or hinder either side (probably 'cause I'm a Nihilist) but there's only one error I can truly point out: Feminism is *not* the opposite of Patriarchy, it's an opposite of the combination of Patriarchy *and* Matriarchy; egalitarian is the opposite of exceptionalism. A law abiding is not *the* opposite of a murderer, they're the opposite of thieves, murderers (etc.) Honestly, I *DO* believe feminism's true *aim* is for equal rights, but you're not helping your case by [essentially] saying "feminism doesn't fight against men for women's rights only" and then following up with "The polar opposite of equal rights for everyone is equal rights for men only" Honestly, apart from that, the video was pretty good Edit: Law-abiding citizen (Law abiding makes no sense :D )

[@haydeeserpas7394]

Our generation appears to have lost the ability to listen to one another

[@Unassuming_Gay]

Oh no, precisely because we are being denied the right to listen to one another in a respectful way, without having to be ordered what pronouns to use by the law, that's why we are railing up. I have listened and listened to feminists, hundreds of hours, and the neverending hypocrisy is baffling. One good example, and why I personally disliked the video, was how intersectionality was presented as the sole way of looking at gender theory. It's just stupid. I'ts down right marxist theory. Completely bollocks, Silvia.

[@WoWOmegor]

Akato I mean it's not Marxist but okay, I dislike it as much as the next free thinker. intersectionality is dogmatic and a lot of self proclaimed SJWs will respond angrily to difficult questions even if you present them in the nicest way possible. There is a culture of shutting down discussion and it is extremely unhealthy.

[@borussiagermania7428]

Silvia Serpas You sound like this Generation is the worst 😂😂 It used to be worse back then so be happy that you live in this Generation or do you want to go back in 1940s?

[@yabbadabbindude]

Silvia Serpas did any generation ever have it?

[@gamerboss740]

From the way you say it if only the leftist didn't exist all of the worlds problems would be gone. I think it is more of a mixture of conservatives and liberals who mess the world up.

[@elizabethcochrane8801]

Loved this video! Such a great explanation of feminist theory over the years!! :D

[@Helmet_Von_Moldy]

" the problem of generalizing from individuals to a whole society" please everyone remember that 😂😂

[@uuuuuuuuuuuuuuaaaaa9]

I wonder why Harriet Martineau didn't get so much recognition....

[@claytongriffith8323]

When my essay due in two days is based on gender conflict and how it influenced women's voices in literature

[@holdenmcgroin9687]

Cool. What authors are you including?

[@claytongriffith8323]

***** Thanks for your advice but I'm good

[@warflower.]

Since this is a crash course about sociology, a subject that relies on some form of bias to make a judgment, explaining only one perspective of an issue makes you look like you endorse it. It's better to squeeze in a few opposing viewpoints especially for highly controversial topics like intersectional feminism.

[@AspLode]

And the award for most sensible comment of the year goes to...

[@ItsJustMe0585]

I agree. However, she has managed to stay fairly unbiased. She hasn't stated if she is pro or anti feminism, but merely stating the history and rationale of the different waves of feminism throughout the years, and the issues that sparked the movements. Yes, she should have done the same for the opposing viewpoints, but you still have to give credit where it's due. Crash course has kept more to the facts than the vast majority of other channels that cover these topics.

[@godo1989]

Except that intersectional feminism isn't controversial WITHIN the field of sociology - only in mainstream culture. It's like why climate scientists do not feel the need to quote climate deniers: there hasn't been compelling evidence raised within the discipline to merit it. If you want to change it, go become a trained sociologist and provide compelling evidence to challenge intersectional feminism as an area of thought.

[@mrmimeisfunny]

Great video. I have Asperger's Syndrome and i hope This Crash Course will be a way for me to understand society better.

[@UteChewb]

Gender Conflict -- release the Kraken! And I'll get my popcorn.

[@JillianBohrer]

people will really dislike a video just cause it has the word gender in the title?? i'm completely astonished.

[@ThatAnnoyingBird]

Don't be. There's a good reason behind it. SJWs bring made up imaginary genders to justify their arguments, it's also plagued much of pop culture, and those who spout it are science-ignoring assholes.

[@bw6603]

Made up genders are stupid - you can't be bird gender or whatever. But strictly male and strictly female don't fit what all humans can NATURALLY express. First, there are people with ambiguous genitalia - they neither have a penis and testes nor a vagina and ovaries; could be a mix of both or any other number of malformations. Secondly, gender as a whole is a social construct and helps define what roles you take. There are more "masculine" and "feminine" cultures around the world. Korean men wear a ton of makeup - does that make them effeminate?

[@Moscato_Moscato]

Mistergamer9892 you do realize that there are people who psychologically don't associate their gender with their sex right? And the ideas of Gender is very different in different cultures right? A little perspective goes a long way mate

[@spacebread501]

You must be new to the internet.

[@MrNyagasu]

After watching the full video I don't regret disliking it :P

[@AIVolkov]

The video was pretty neutral, but still got 40% of dislikes and rage in comments. Oh, well.

[@ludvik3161]

If we weren't there last episode... We're there now.

[@katiewaters378]

Guys. Whoever disagrees with anything in this video doesn't realize that this is about as unbiased and objective as sociology can get. All of what's discussed in these videos are sociological theories, events in history, and simple vocabulary with some talking afterward to illustrate the new vocabulary. Look closely enough and you'll notice that there is no political agenda here, it only serves as proof that society is so polarized right now that people have difficulty even accepting truth as truth in this discipline as well as many other domains of modern society. If sex and gender are the same thing and both biologically determined, then why would the two different but similar concepts have different names? You're more than allowed think critically over how you feel about something, but if you just jump to conclusions and immediately reject something as falsehood or wrong, it's obvious you're missing the point of anything. I like to say that people aren't entitled to their own opinions, they are entitled to their own *EDUCATED & RESEARCHED* opinions.

[@ryn3575]

Last time I was this early Britain was still in the EU☹️

[@CamelDance]

Now you made me sad =(

[@ihartevil]

last time i looked there were no waves in feminism because it never stopped

[@ihartevil]

last time i looked there were no waves in feminism because it never stopped