Harry Kane's 'worst game for England' and can the Dutch go all the way? | UEFA EURO 2024™ QF Day 2

Mark Schwarzer and Phil Kitromilides are joined by Julien Laurens inside the Olympiastadion in Berlin to discuss all the action on the second day of the Quarter Finals at UEFA EURO 2024™.
The fellas discuss:
• How penalty data has changed for goalkeepers
• England's 'personality' can win tournaments
• Dutch variety is key to success
• How relevant is England's poor record against the Netherlands?
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[@vredeling]

Countries have their way of football, own philosophies and type of play. F.e., Dutch teams don''t like to play against Italian or Portuguese teams. For many years now. English teams always seem to be more open matches, where Dutch type of football finds its way easier. England are favourites, but I think we'll see a good Dutch squad on wednesday!

[@liamnaughton7996]

How could it have been Kane’s worst game, when in the first game against Serbia, he didn’t even touch the ball in the first 45 minutes.

[@joaomaciel3312]

If he doesn’t touch the ball it is a good game .😂

[@tohsimomru7797]

Netherlands vs Spain in final would be crazy just like 2010 and 2014 world cup their matches are incredible

[@Lars-rj9en]

Dutch are more creative than the English

[@peterelsey6238]

😂😂😂

[@VonDutchNL]

100%

[@SMario-wv7fr]

That’s not so hard. England is even more boring to watch than the French

[@tohsimomru7797]

​@@SMario-wv7frthe french are not boring to watch they're on of my favorite teams also the Dutch are good

[@MS-ii1sv]

The Dutch have a better attack and they aren't afraid to use it but luck plays a huge part in this sport and maybe they hit the post all day and England gets a fluke goal. Hard to call this one. Edit. Southgate seems to have a horseshoe wrapped in four leaf clovers up his ass.

[@franskos8690]

14 juli finale!!!! 14= Johan Cruijff... finale is Holland - Spain

[@JustMe77]

Holland wants to play England for a long time. Lots of the Dutchies play in the PL. And they know all the players, Van Dijk, Ake, Gakpo and more. England will have to play well if they want to go to the finals. But these boys from Orange are very hungry, and always score. The only team that did not needed penalties to qualify for the next round. Fast players, solid defence..and the knowledge of how England plays.

[@dondamon4669]

Shouldn't call them "from orange" they are not not ORANGES!!

[@westleyjohnstone4719]

You could argue that they both know each other well so it's not a advantage. It's a 50/50 for me

[@laulau9017]

Not only hungry...they are brutals, injure other players...I hope England will win ..but i don't think is gonna happend...

[@peterelsey6238]

They barely beat Turkey

[@Jhoekstra]

@@peterelsey6238like we will barely beat England.

[@CARLIN4737]

Kane was so leggy. Practically walking round the pitch. Id have hooked him at half time. Hes getting old now for a player playing so many games the last season. What is he 30 now knocking on 31, 45 domestic games and cup, friendlies and Tournament. Thats a lot of games. A month before the new season and practically in Pre season already its insane the amount of games that players play.

[@redd605]

England have to play with two strikers now because they will not score with just kane up front to keep vigil worried with one will not work Bellingham maybe close to kane more .

[@dondamon4669]

He has never done well in big games but mostly it's Bellingham that's affecting him. Kane hasn't been a number 9 for years and Bellingham is playing in his position

[@paulz4667]

Not that old he played his best season this year

[@Electricdreams21]

​@@dondamon4669I think you might be onto something. Bellingham takes up so many positions that Kane usually takes up. Wonder if he feels a bit lost up top. He also said earlier this tournament that he feels fitter than ever, but he doesn't look like it. Wonder if he's hiding an injury

[@sbxi]

the Euro schedule is too tight but they really don’t have much choice

[@electro-acupuncture]

Simple drop Kane for Watkins. Be ruthless ffs

[@Power-Play680]

U know that Kane is really good at false 9 and he did a really good pass in one of the games for a counter attack

[@therabbitwhisperer4538]

You're not the manager

[@CARLIN4737]

@@Power-Play680 Hes not playing as a false number 9 we are not set up like Spain? Hes an outright centre forward like Gary Lineker. Should really be wearing the 10 shirt.

[@albertallen2361]

kane should be dropped to the bench in the SF

[@electro-acupuncture]

@@therabbitwhisperer4538 Really?

[@iankclark]

England also have incredible versatility.... but those players barely get on the pitch because of Southgate.

[@brickie59]

Holland will beat England and send them home. They simply have not got what it takes to be in this competition.

[@christopherjones6607]

England will massive struggle against Holland..only thing gives England a fighting chance GS makes massive changes for Wednesday and I can't see it ..kane needs to be dropped ivan toney for me all day long

[@brickie59]

The team will play far better without Kane, he really is not worthy of being in the Squad. If it wasn’t for Bellingham in the last game, and Saki in this game the England team would be sent home

[@christopherjones6607]

@brickie59 I am so pleased kane got took off last night because I don't think he'd of scored a penalty

[@peterelsey6238]

😂😂😂

[@fabianpatrizio2865]

The problem is that players play SO MANY games now over the season, that by the time these tournaments come around, they are spent (see: Mbappe, Griesmann, Kane, etc etc etc....)

[@user-uf5sd3yk6g]

I agree with you, man. What about player welfare? It's all driven by greed and money..

[@BabzV]

They get paid enough for it.

[@Marenqo]

Let's hope for the sake of football for a Spain Netherlands final. England and France are boring af

[@frankdevries5739]

I agree. Both teams bore me to death. England is killing the game, Spain deserves to win it so far.

[@Adam-zh4hm]

Sorry buddy but England actually played well

[@brendandempsey2528]

Drop Kane and play Bellingham as a false 9. Foden @ 10, Saka up top on right side. Keep Rice and Mainoo in CM Shaw and Trent wingbacks. Back 3 of Guehi, Stones and Walker.

[@dondamon4669]

Bellingham is already playing in that position and that's what is affecting Kane as Kane normally plays in that position! Kane hasn't been a 9 for years

[@kjmok]

17:00 absolutely love Julien's honesty and words in meaning (or lackthereof) of the past head-to-head stats. Commentators love them, true fans hate them. Big example, they said Spain has never beaten a host nation in the Euros. Objection judge, relevance is questionable. Commentators should stop mentioning these stats, stat.

[@ljacobs357]

The minute Kane went off their chance of winning increased.

[@leehaslam5751]

Yes cos we had no shots

[@matthewwassall798]

Feels like England play with 9, as Kane and Tripps are so limited at present. Could we change those two?

[@SMario-wv7fr]

The Dutch have the flow to win this Euro. They’re not playing well but can score and have all the luck on their side. England, France have difficulty to score goals

[@tohsimomru7797]

Dutch are lucky? Ur a funny guy

[@Adam-zh4hm]

You okay mate? 😂

[@newtonheath8938]

Dutch is favorite to meet Spain in the Final

[@jt8083]

England gets far more criticism than the other 3 semi finalists who have also looked either boring or fragile defensively. Its all 50/50 games from here. Old stats do not matter. England are now a tournament team.

[@frankhoebee4908]

The Dutsch team has to be superfocused , and up and top in the game otherwise England wil send The Orange back home. It's all in subtle things who will win this game. As a Dutchman is see potential but also the fear in the way they play. Sometime you can see two steps ahead were they will play the ball , there is nothing spectacular or surprising. In anyway we wil see who will win Wednesday.⚽🏆

[@dondamon4669]

Kane hasn't been a number 9 for years and always plays deep but Bellingham is playing in that position so basically Bellingham is affecting him and i think he affects the others as well! I guarantee in future players will say hiw Bellingham ruined there system. Its hard to play with someone like Bellingham. Drop him and the players will love it!!

[@LiveLongLiveHappy]

I havent followed club football until QF here but from a neutral (siding with Eng) watching. I think something is off with Kane, after 75 min, he was slowing dramatically

[@SamMerchant-vn4or]

of course you can drop him, Ollie Watkins has performed well against Van Dyke before he'll get England up the pitch, you can always bring Kane on from the bench

[@gpumn1]

Harry is so wrecked, he’ll start the semifinal but won’t reach 40mins. If he puts in any effort he’ll get injured for sure! The question remains, will he put in any effort.

[@jaybe2908]

England had a few crosses/passes across the box yesterday but Kane didn't go for them, I think its because all the other games the crosses have been pulled back to the penalty spot area, the problem is Kane should be going for them in the box regardless and leaving any pullback for others. The other issue is numbers getting in the box and them not being all in the same place when they do get in there.

[@dondamon4669]

Kane isn't a 9 and hasn't been for years, problem is Bellingham is playing in his position

[@westleyjohnstone4719]

They've got it drummed in, you must keep possession at all cost

[@leehaslam5751]

What its kanes fault we didnt cross the ball not the fact we have no width on the left 😂😂

[@westleyjohnstone4719]

@@jaybe2908 Shaw may help with crosses. If he don't get injured

[@WingWingHerro]

My man Jules in optus now?

[@ignite137]

So if you don't keep a clean sheet, the team has to start playing football..

[@dorienvanb971]

Perhaps pepperspray helps for a bit action.😂

[@fabianpatrizio2865]

PS - the knob in the middle gets annoyed too easily...get over it ya whinging pom :)

[@WilliamJones-hc7ff]

His punditry is more underwhelming than Gareth Southgate's tactics.

[@Oliver_WithNoBrainCells]

France could not win from the Dutch so I don’t know it’s a 50 - 50 deal

[@Its2025]

France was OK with a draw. They didn’t go on full pace.

[@waso778]

60 -40 Netherlands

[@waso778]

​@@Its2025Dutch also

[@pimjcb9964]

​@@Its2025I guess they are ok to have a draw each game they played. They even refuse to score a goal themselves.

[@Marenqo]

France almost lost, but saved by VAR

[@pimjcb9964]

If England decide to play with 4 defenders against the Netherlands. They will lose. The wingers and even Dumfries are too fast for this English team.

[@ignite137]

Don't forget Micky van der Ven, he's the fastest runner in the Premier League.

[@Hyde_Hill]

@@ignite137 Unlikely to start unless the Ake situation is worse then expected.

[@Hyde_Hill]

Don't see them changing it so likely. (As they did not play 5 at the back no matter what the bad commentators say).

[@ignite137]

@@Hyde_Hill Rumour has it. Probably 2nd half.

[@jordizee]

Something is up with kane that we're not being told.. Hes hiding an injury.

[@32446]

I think so too. His legs have gone. Somethings going on with his back. He needs subbing much earlier.

[@rizvaldo]

I think it's selfish. It will no doubt come in his autobiography in 6 or 7 years time - "I was carrying an injury for that tournament but knew that if I was presented a chance, I would take it." Or something like that. He needs to be dropped.

[@Electricdreams21]

He's had back injuries in the past. And the thing is you can play through them unlike a leg injury. But if it is his back it'll massively affect his ability to play. And he definitely looks like there's something going on

[@robinlabouche2230]

Jules, France are boring too you know !!!!!

[@AndrewHindley]

1 goal from open play. There only interested in England.

[@dondamon4669]

I think they are talking about England ATM as the game just finished

[@user-ky4rz2sn8v]

Harry Cane had a terrible game I don’t think he could run properly, something happened to him but he disputed that and said he was fit so what’s going on?

[@jeffery8792]

It’s Kane. Learn to spell.

[@user-ky4rz2sn8v]

@@jeffery8792 Your right Kane had a terrible 😤 game 🥴🥴

[@bamdadmohri1953]

England is lucky to ge there at all

[@jhonnycubero21]

So are the Dutch (and I'm Dutch myself)

[@UnwindyourMind247]

@@jhonnycubero21thank you for being humble, the Dutch have always had great teams and England never really been at their level, on paper it’s the other way around this time, England got a stacked team probably only second to France in the world, still hoping for a great game, may the best team win

[@original.dwornboy]

'Holland have always had great teams'.... Are you for real? Only since 1974 have Holland been a team to fear. And having said that they have failed to qualify for a couple of World Cup recently. I'm a bit fan of Holland and watched the 2010 World Cup Final in a pub in Amsterdam but let's get things correct.

[@dylanvogler2165]

​@@original.dwornboyif you are a fan, would you mind stop calling us Holland? It's the Netherlands. Thanks

[@UnwindyourMind247]

@@original.dwornboy cmon man, I’m a diehard England fan, even if they couldn’t qualify doesn’t mean they lose their DNA, England also failed to qualify for a few tournaments since the 80s, also the Dutch are responsible for the change in dynamics of football from the slow 70s to what we see today, both teams got amazing heritage and it will be a great game.

[@ArchieFatcackie]

Kane has been a liability in all 4 games abysmal. Any other centre forward playing like that would have been hooked and binned.

[@dondamon4669]

"hooked" this ain't American football 😂 and "binned" what does that mean??

[@ArchieFatcackie]

@@dondamon4669 Regular terms in football. Do you attend games?

[@mohameddanish2069]

in Carnival tournament knockout game,who has composed,mentality and strenght as a team,they can win the tournament...like England they has exprienced,young and good mentality.....once upon 2018 russia semi finalist england already lead croatia 1-0 but cannot finiish the game inside 35 minit....in the end of game Croatiaa punish them with the crucial goal...for me England squad this time must revenge what they fail in russia 2018,wembley 2021 penalty shoot out and 2-1 lost at quarter final against France at qatar 2022..i predict england will cruise to BERLIN ULTIMATE GAME NEXT SUNDAY AGAINST FRANCE

[@patricksocks9538]

England hasn’t been successful since 1966. So Southgate maybe the most successful failure since then, not the most successful because he got to 2 semi finals and one final.

[@craigsmith3157]

Kane was absolutely terrible

[@dondamon4669]

Kane is not a 9 hes a false 9 and has been fir years but for some reason Bellingham is playing that position and surely people can see the tension Bellingham is causing!! Saying "who eose" whilst playing rubbish is ridiculous! He's very unlikeable

[@dawnto3818]

England won’t win as they are just not good enough Can’t remember they ever won

[@CARLIN4737]

Your not very clever are you...Like the comment of an intellectually challenged 5 year old.

[@user-ky9px1po1g]

Ido😂In 1066 wk cup .With the vikings

[@tohsimomru7797]

​@@user-ky9px1po1gAlso in 2 million before Christ the wc final was in a big cave. The English caveman almost won but the game got canceled because of a nearby T-rex 😂

[@tigergooner7214]

I wish Southgate 🤞 all the best for the future endeavours 😊

[@naval-nation2259]

As we say in England "Tit for tat" Taylor screws Germany Germany screw England. England are going to need a miracle to win this game. A match fixing ref. I don't see us winning it at all. Its clear to the naked eye Germany have made this personal with anythony Taylor and England against the Netherlands. Jude Bellingham has already been a victim to this by the same referee. That same ref that rigged the Dortmund game in 2021 i believe they will rig the England game. England are bon Jovi as of moment of time. "Living on prayer"!!!!!!!!

[@else1133]

Underestimate the Dutch big time 😅 Bias

[@christopherjones6607]

I'm not think England will be taught a lesson

[@Its2025]

Funny fact a lot of Dutch underestimate the English as well. Both teams were very mediocre during this tournament. English has much better players on paper, but I think we play better as a team. That the best may win🍻

[@christopherjones6607]

@Its2025 the advantage for the dutch their coach will make changes if needed..Garth Southgate don't he just sits there until 2 late that's where I think England will get caught out

[@Its2025]

@@christopherjones6607 that is true. Its such a pity to have a coach like him while you have one of the best squads in the world (on paper)

[@christopherjones6607]

@Its2025 they was a moment last night watching England when they was attacking the Swiss they got caught out and I sat back and thought maybe garth Southgate realise we actually not that good to press that's why he plays the system he is 🤷 it's a interesting one

[@acustomer3518]

JC whos these three muppets, one minute i was out of here

[@eddyrozema4064]

We beat them at 1996 ? That is almost 30 years ago England never beat the Dutch ever cince Btw we beat the English in 1988 3-1 Ow and in Braga (Nations League) also 3-1

[@Adam-zh4hm]

The lesson we should all learn here is that old stats mean absolutely nothing 😂

[@Adam-zh4hm]

And England actually beat The Netherlands in 2018

[@user-ky9px1po1g]

The weakest team is England .from the4.

[@jack-thetrollingexpert2605]

Just wrong really

[@bf1716]

​@@jack-thetrollingexpert2605 yeah, england is just wrong, boring anti football with zero entertainment

[@matthewwassall798]

Not the brightest comments here. They are the strongest squad, easily. They are in the poorest form. Wake up.

[@BKtheUltimate]

@@matthewwassall798strongest squad LOL, France is the best squad by far on paper for those who bother to watch other leagues. It’s not even close

[@matthewwassall798]

@@BKtheUltimate ok, so why are they playing so badly? With the best squad.

[@Dryhten1801]

"England bad"

[@user-uf5sd3yk6g]

England plays the Netherlands next, I am backing England to win this game.

[@sybrows]

yea agreed

[@garethdavies9848]

As a neutral definitely

[@bf1716]

So you like boring anti football

[@AndrewHindley]

​@@bf1716😂😂

[@WilliamJones-hc7ff]

@bf1716 Is that you Jock?

[@user-ky9px1po1g]

Isee nothing from england ..Only luck .A poor team .

[@user-nj8io4kl1u]

More than luck. Match winning players throughout the entire squad. Switzerland have been amazing and England made them look average. Deserved win

[@32446]

They’re not a poor team, they have a poor manager.

[@matthewwassall798]

Scoring 5 perfect penalties is not luck 😂

[@MallaBoei]

I hope shaw play..terrible player

[@Lucas-vj8rr]

Both bad teams so far Spain Germany France better

[@dorienvanb971]

Perhaps pepperspray helps for a bit action.😂