Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban Doesn't Make Sense?

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[@merphynapier42]

Yikes, at one point I called Lupin an Anamagus in this video. Idk what I was thinking, go ahead and roast me!

[@g.chatterjee2296]

No-one roasts Merphy :D

[@JohnBradford14]

I just ended up being like "Well I guess if a wizard is also a werewolf then technically..."

[@autumnhess6729]

haha I was just looking in the comments about that XD

[@abrilakgun]

Lol I commented about it before reading this comment

[@sparklyunicorn5431]

Lol never! Love ya Merph!😊

[@geisterkaktus]

The thing that I hate the most about the time turner: WHY DOESN'T HERMIONE GO BACK IN TIME AND S L E E P????

[@Hugo-G]

Even if she does, technically she still has longer days than everyone else and is going to be more tired even if she was sleeping as much as everyone else. I don't think Hermione would continue to go back in time to get more than the average 8 hours of sleep, because well that's not like Hermione.

[@AndresSanchez-si8ed]

I think she probably realized that she would be aging faster since those hours that she goes back to accumulate

[@theghosted]

she actually did at one point right before the smiling charms

[@follcatala]

Because you are aging faster so you just want to keep it to the minimum hours that are indispensable.

[@FerBaide]

@@lofigaming9835 this right here. She specifically said she promised McGonagall to use it only for her classes and nothing else, it was already a big hassle to even get her the Time Turner already.

[@Angel0240]

I always assumed Hagrid got so upset when Draco got hurt because he was so on edge and anxious to be a good teacher and then something bad happened in his first class so he assumed the worst because this was something he wanted so much

[@kickflipindi]

Also, Malfoy has a track record of being shitty to Hagrid. His dad too.

[@Lasmelan]

Yeah, as someone who was literally accused of murder in his third year and sent to Azkaban for nothing, it makes sense for Hagrid to assume the worst.

[@MajkaSrajka]

Tru it was his first year after all

[@arielblaser5257]

Plus, because Hagrid is a known "half-breed" he's going to face more intense reactions (stemming from discrimination) to anything he does. People and wizards are shitty, and this is especially true with the Malfoy's involvement since they advocate for blood "purity".

[@aaron75fy]

@@arielblaser5257 yeah I figured I wouldn't bother with this one because anyone with half a brain would know this

[@Aromatherapist_tris]

The permission slip is because you’re leaving school grounds. Your parents enroll you in hogwarts and therefore agree to how they run things. And the triwizard tournament was for wizards of age only. Legally adult wizards. They didn’t need permission as legal adults.

[@piotrnowak8725]

I believe it is also because visit to Hogsmeade is a reward for a student.

[@coleleaman2863]

Well no the triwizard tournament was for 17 year olds because they are the ones who knew the magic that was required. Based on their year in school.

[@herondaless]

@@coleleaman2863 and 17 year olds in HP are of age

[@wslaxmiddy]

In the 6th book Dumbledoor takes Harry to Hogsmede to Apparate away and return from the cave. In the 7th book they Apperate into Hogsmede. It's fully outside the magical protection bubble of Hogwarts, it must have its own muggle repellant charms but since it is technically fully off campus and out of the Hogwarts protection "zone" then that's why I believe they need permission slips.

[@kintsuki99]

@@coleleaman2863 No, the triwazard had no age restriction and it was implemented because of the deaths that existed in the history of the tournament.

[@KentuckyMan30]

I've always wondered why the boggart "dementor" effected Harry like the real thing. I mean, aren't boggarts a representation of your greatest fear, NOT your actual greatest fear materialized? Lupin's boggart doesn't turn into the ACTUAL moon and Molly's family don't all ACTUALLY die when confronted with one. So why does Harry's suddenly turn into the real thing??

[@merphynapier42]

This is really true. I mean, all the other boggarts we see with the students wouldn't effect them physically - spiders etc. So maybe the boggart physically effects you too, not just emotionally. But if that's going to be the case, it needs to be constant. Lupin's boggart doesn't turn him into a werewolf, so which one is it?

[@cakes_lollies9948]

Maybe it's because his fear is of what they do, not just what they are.

[@thegreatandterrible4508]

I could be wrong, but I've always been under the impression that it was more like a placebo dementor. It wasn't actually sucking joy from Harry, just essentially giving Harry a panic attack by forcing him to recall a traumatic experience. Granted, it's been a few years since I read the third book.

[@atinity6749]

This has been bothering me too! It makes me wonder what actually would've happened if the boggart had taken the form of Lord Voldemort. Would the boggart have had same powers as Voldie? That would've been one darn powerful being. No wonder Lupin was so concerned 😂

[@maxbaugh9372]

@@thegreatandterrible4508 I recall Harry saying something like "that's a powerful dementor" and Lupin laughs and says "No it's just a boggart, the real thing is much worse"

[@2602Jorno]

You can't change time with the Time Turner. When Harry and Hermione go back, everything happens exactly the same way. Hermione couldn't go back and attend Charms class because Harry and Ron already told her she'd missed it.

[@romathinio]

Nope. This is exactly how it works: if you want to use a Time Turner to be in two places at the same time, you have to go to the one place first, be there and only after that you can use TT and be in another place as well. For example: you have your classes on Monday wich starts at 8 A.M. and finishes at 10 A.M., to use TT in the proper way, you should go to the first class and be there until the end and only after that you can use TT for the first time, what means that until you use TT you can't be in another place, so there is always the whole class of people who can say "he or she wasn't here" in the same way as Harry and Ron told to Hermione. It works every single time you use TT.

[@2602Jorno]

@@romathinio You just said a bunch of stuff that doesn't contradict my comment at all, and then one thing that is wrong. Each time Hermione goes to class number 1, her future self is also in class number 2 because she is *going* to use the Time Turner. Much like how Harry sees his future self casting the Patronus because he, too, is *going* to go back in time. Even before you yourself use the TT, your future self is still there during the overlap. When Hermione missed her Charms class and Harry and Ron told her she missed it, this shattered all chance of going back in time, because doing so would mean changing the past, which the Time Turner does not do.

[@romathinio]

@@2602Jorno This is nonsense and a complete misunderstanding of the concept of time travel. First, there is the play "The Cursed Child", which is also canon according to Rowling, which shows that (a) TT can change the past in any way possible at any stretch of time (which is how the alternate universes where Voldemort didn't die came about); (b) even if we don't refer to "Cursed Child" and limit ourselves to the rules of the third book, it turns out that any alteration of the past is possible and will be part of reality as long as using of the Time Turner remains possible in the future. And the time loop with Harry is an obvious temporal paradox: the premise of Harry surviving the battle with the Dementors and going to save himself in the battle with the Dementors is that... he has already saved himself in the battle with the Dementors. A violation of the principle of causality. In the end, we only have to conclude that Hermione could have gotten to class even twenty years later when the events of the play "The Cursed Child" are described without violating the laws of time travel (she only needs to rejuvenate herself so as not to arouse suspicion).

[@2602Jorno]

@@romathinio You're awfully chatty for someone who doesn't have much of a point to make. You say that changing the past is possible if using the TT is still possible in future, but you haven't backed this up with anything. Where is this shown in POA? Harry saving himself is a causal loop, also known as the bootstrap paradox. It is a paradox, yes, but at least it is self sustaining and therefore makes more sense than the grandfather paradox used in Cursed Child. Point is, the only time we see the time travel for ourselves in POA it behaves in a closed loop, so that is how time works in the HP universe. If time travel worked in an open loop like in Cursed Child, Harry would have suffered the Dementor's kiss and never had chance to use the TT. Yet another reason why Cursed Child doesn't fit into HP canon.

[@romathinio]

@@2602Jorno Your manners are as low as your reasoning: the "changing the past is possible if using the TT is still possible in future," thesis is elementary supported by the fact that at this very moment of Harry's battle with the Dementors he had no idea that a TT even exists and can be used to go back in time and save himself; he learns of this possibility from Hermione some time later. That is, he might as well have learned about it not just a few hours after the fight with the Dementors, but 20 years later. There is no logical law that limits the length of the time loop to a period of a few hours rather than any other, even infinitely longer (like in the movie Interstellar). This is why the time paradox cannot be justified-it doesn't save the plot, it destroys it. Accordingly, Hermione didn't attend the class not because "Harry and Ron said she wasn't there," but because she DID NOT USE THE POSSIBILITY TO SEND HERSELF TO THE PAST FOR A LESSON EVER IN THE FUTURE. That's why it's reasonable to ask the question - what did it cost her to go to the past, to be in the classroom? In that case, she would have been in class, and Harry and Ron just wouldn't have told her she wasn't there.

[@IcarusNyxaraeus]

I feel that Hagrid’s fear of getting fired is completely understandable and makes perfect sense. It’s his first year as a professor and a student was injured while in his care. And not just any student, a Malfoy. One of the most powerful and influential wizard families in Britain.

[@QuestLegacy]

The permission slips are all about the butterbeer lol

[@Amsayy]

Michael Knipp I thought they could get butter beer at school somehow? Or maybe I’m delusional and them drinking butter beer in Hogwarts actually happened when I read it in a fanfic or something when I was a kid.

[@LysanDharker]

amsayyy Fred and George snuck out to get it

[@JMSayler]

@@Amsayy winkey is drunk off of butterbeer in the kitchen when the trio finds her, so I took that to mean its available there. Maybe the professors get it at feasts!

[@lenaertsjelke]

Jacqueline Sayler yeah, I defintely think the butterbeer wasn’t available to students but it might have been at Hogwarts for teachers to consume.

[@Theserendipitywritingstudio]

I think it's about privilege. Like some parents may think their kids should study every weekend...

[@Joesphfffffff]

as a teacher l completely understand Hagrid being scared.

[@stevencundy4501]

Hagrid is so gentle and has anxiety issues, plus it was like his first day teaching I'm pretty sure.

[@zelpazz]

@@stevencundy4501 yea because of harry, Ron and hermione they proved that Hagrid have always been innocent and wasn't involved with the chamber of secrets and he got himself a job the year after because of them :)

[@benlongo904]

Yeah

[@katevgrady]

For real. Plus, I assume Hagrid feared for his job immediately because he didn't even graduate and he's half giant--on paper he's very unqualified. And Lucius is on the Board of Governors, who certainly have to vote on/approve new hires. It's almost certain that Magical Racist Lucius voted hard against Hagrid and probably even said something like "one slip up and you're done". So when he slips up with Lucius' own son, it's bad.

[@peggygross7409]

The reason Remus was thought to be the spy was because he was undercover with the werewolves. Most of the werewolves sided with Voldemort.

[@melissah.2133]

I just figured when Lupin casts riddikulus, the moon turns into a silver orb, but its no longer a representation of the moon. So his charm does work

[@katarinamandackova871]

I also thought that. Because silver can kill werewolfs.

[@samemistak3s]

That makes sense. But I always assumed that in order for the riddikulus charm to work you need to find something funny about your fear, and it wouldn't be out of character if Lupin simply couldn't find anything funny about being a werewolf

[@shelbypro394]

@@samemistak3s ya but its still works if its a failed redikulus spell ie; Molly every time she failed it changed

[@ZielonaPastela]

I think that it is described that way not to say explicitly that it is, in fact, the Moon. Because it would be too easy to connect it to the warewolf lore. Some kids in the class even think that it is a crystal ball.

[@davidcarney1533]

When on school grounds, the children are the school's responsibility. The permission slip is to say the kids are responsible for themselves whilst off-grounds

[@glenbe4026]

aah, not really. In New Zealand the school is still responsible for you as long as it is school hours (and travel to and from school) EVEN if you are not at school. Which is why you need a permission slip. I am not sure how it works in North America, but even during lunchtime you can not leave school grounds without a permission slip in Australia or New Zealand (and even then you will be expected to stay in School Uniform), and police will occasionally stop and ask you why you are not in school..

[@madismith4671]

it’s like going on a school trip, we always need a permission slip for those

[@marciaosullivan3200]

@@glenbe4026 in the UK no and it's set in the UK we had to have permission forms to go to a medow at age 14 right next to school through a fence as it's adjacent to the school field no roads to cross

[@HTMLRuleD00d]

Whilst? Okay fancy boy.

[@thomaskirkness-little5809]

The real question for me isn't "why give her a time machine?" but "why can't they schedule classes and exams at different times?" or at least "why can't she take them as special classes in a different slot?"

[@Voltorb1993]

I am pretty sure two professors would be willing to give Hermione personal classes in the worst case scenario, given her academical talents. Also what would happen if any kid would just happen to choose Divination and Arithmency but not the other classes?

[@hadasnissan4412]

Because they can't change everybody's schedule for only one student. I've been in this situation too, I got accepted into art&design major in high school but I also wanted to study advanced literature. I talked about it with my teachers and they agreed to see if they can change the schedule so that I can attend both classes.. They tried their best but they just couldn't make it work. There are more factors in determining a schedule then you would think... They probablly couldn't change the date of the exams too (or at least the date of the final exams which are the most important) just like my school couldn't- these exams were being held at the same time in my entire country. My school didn't really have any say in when they would be held.. Eventually I had to choose between the two majors, but because time traveling is a possibillity in the books Hermione didn't have to.. Her teachers thought she would be responsible enough to handle it (Sorry for my English.. I haven't practiced much ever since I graduated high school a few months ago and I think my grammer got worse.. I apologize for writing a lot, too lol) Pls tell me if you couldn't understand what I said because of my grammer so I could try to explain it again once I'm not as tired😅

[@thomaskirkness-little5809]

It's the only school in the country.

[@hadasnissan4412]

@@thomaskirkness-little5809 Well it doesn't contradict my first argument.. The schedule of the lessons in one school has nothing to do with the rest of the schools in the country. And about my second argument- I see your point but the exams' dates could be set by the ministry of magic for all we know, so even if it's the only school it might not have much of a say in the dates anyways.

[@thomaskirkness-little5809]

@@hadasnissan4412 "They probablly couldn't change the date of the exams too (or at least the date of the final exams which are the most important) just like my school couldn't- these exams were being held at the same time in my entire country."

[@jonathanfitzharris4196]

Hermoine takes 3 extra classes. I'm only pointing it out because by the end of the book she has dropped two extra classes, that means she still has one more class than Harry and Ron. Yet it's established in book 6 that only 6th years get free periods. How does she still fit in the extra class. Harry, Ron - Divination, Care Of Magical Creatures Hermoine - Arithmancy, Ancient Runes, Care Of Magical Creatures Then slight annoyance for me. At one point they look at her timetable and it's like "Ancient Runes - 11am, Transfiguration - 11am". Why would the extra class be on at the same time as the core class all the students had to take. Love your vids btw :)

[@Ninjamanhammer]

Yeah I noticed that too. Maybe 3rd years couldn't usually take the class? But it's likely just J.K. Rowling not thinking about it.

[@pongo5000]

I agree with most of these except I think there is valid reason for Remus and Sirius to suspect the other as the Spy. I think Sirius would suspect Remus due to his being a werewolf, the Dark Lord was probably trying to win over the werewolves even then and so maybe he thought Remus might be tempted. Remus likely suspected Sirius due to his family being Dark. Plus I think when it came down to it, it was more so that they couldn't imagine that cowardly, mousy Pettigrew could possibly have the nerve to go Dark. Thus they they thought it was eachother. Also just a note but Remus isn't an animagus, he's just a werewolf, its the other three marauders who are animagi.

[@autumnhess6729]

that's kinda what I was thinking but it makes me sad that they thought of each other that way :/

[@Amsayy]

pongo5000 I also think with tensions being so high, that played a factor. Friends and family were dying, people in hiding, no one was safe and they were playing an active part in the war itself. Anyone could be a spy, even your best friends, and eventually that has to grate on you and you begin to turn on each other. I’m pretty certain this whole scenario of the fight between lupin and Sirius over the secret keeper thing stems entirely from mental health deteriorating due to high stress and mental fatigue. They were both going to protect James(and lily and Harry), even if that meant against each other.

[@pongo5000]

@@Amsayy Exactly! That situation is enough to make anyone a little paranoid and scared enough to doubt even their closest friends.

[@nickbrough8335]

@@Amsayy As a werewolf Lupin would have been shunned by society. He would be more susceptible to Voldemort because of the people he mixed with and the choices he might have been forced to make.

[@michaelegan3522]

Wouldn't Pettigrew being cowardly make it more likely that he'd give in if the Death Eaters tried to get to him? Like he wouldn't have the courage to stand up for his friends because he'd so anything to save his own ass.

[@333pinkelephant333]

I just realized permission slips work pretty much the same way in real life too. You get to work with acids that could potentially melt your face off in Chemistry class without a permission slip but you need to get one to go to an art museum. lol

[@alexjames7144]

Most of the acids used even in A level chemistry are nothing more than mild irritants because they're so dilute

[@geonunes10]

Loving a book is not saying that it's perfect, but recognizing that it has issues but you love it in spite of its faults

[@katiehoraczek399]

George André Veloso Nunes loving books is just like loving people. They aren’t perfect but we love them for their flaws too. Makes the book more realistic.

[@Richard_Nickerson]

That's love in general. Putting anything on a pedestal is unhealthy.

[@robinschicha4712]

Yes

[@TheSlammurai]

@Brook Clouds why do you think "don't judge a book by it's cover" is commonly used when dealing with people?

[@smoshbooz]

Yeah it's just a fucking book

[@CG-eh6oe]

You missed the big one. Lupin seems to be incredibly careless about him turning into a werewolf - which is HIS WORST FEAR! He not only forgets to drink his potion (which, as a minor plothole, he should have drunken two weeks in advance anyway), which would be a big plot convenience already. Snape even directly TELLS HIM HE FORGOT. And what is Lupins reaction? Not shock, not fear, not "i d rather stay here, go away from me, quick!". No, he just ignores the information, goes outside and transforms. Part 3 used to be my favorite part of the series, but it is the only book that was really spoiled for me by all the plotholes.

[@WSoulMoony]

Exactly!! Thank you!! Not to mention the tiny tinsy fact that if Lupin hadn't gonne outside and transformed without the wolfsbane, Peter wouldn't have escaped and reunited with Voldy. For a werewolf with a big fear of hurting people he sure tends to forget when the full moon is coming.

[@CG-eh6oe]

@@WSoulMoony Exactly. Thats why i said it was the only book spoiled by the plothole; its not just nitpicky, but very important to the next 4 books - yet it doesnt make any sense.

[@anaisabelpais7389]

I thought he had to drink it the week leading to the full moon. So the six days before and then the day of... But really, he was pretty careless there

[@WSoulMoony]

@@anaisabelpais7389 Yes, he says that he has to drink it 5 or 6 days leading to the full moon and I guess the day of, given the context, but I guess this potion is like the contraceptive pill you forget it one day and you are pretty screwed up.

[@flugsven]

C G To Lupins defence, crazy sh*t was taking place... Peter Pettigrew alive? With Harry, Ron and Hermione? On the way to ... Sirius?? If anything would distract him Big Time this would. "I must run to the shrieking shack! Ah, hold on. Severus will be here with my potion in 20-30 minutes. I think I'll just read the Evening Prophet 'til he's here, then." Probably not.

[@davidrubio.24]

They don't change anything when they go back in time. This one of the few stories where time traveling is portrayed right. Pompfrey can vouch for them because she didn't notice that they disappear and came through the door.

[@numberhunter62]

You mean it's an example of time travel being done well. There are other time travel stories out there that do it differently and they're no less valid, especially if they are handled well. Also, the biggest problem with time travel is when you can go back in time. This is when one has to walk the tightrope.

[@davidrubio.24]

@@numberhunter62 I'm talking about traveling back in time. Traveling forward in time is not prone to inconsistencies since we are always traveling forward in time (at a rate of 1 second per second). But in many stories, when they travel back in time they change things that have "already" happened. That's not traveling back in time, that traveling to another universe where things happened differently.

[@numberhunter62]

@@davidrubio.24 If we wanna go like that time is merely a concept created by humans to explain things happening in sequence. I've seen time travel stories that have points in time that can't be changed no matter what you do. You can try changing things but the end result had already been decided.

[@davidrubio.24]

@@numberhunter62 Yeah, those are he ones that I say that portray time traveling right.

[@meganoob12]

@@davidrubio.24 good thing you know how „time traveling“ (a concept we can‘t possibly understand with out current knowledge in physics) works „correctly“… Do you know something our best minds don‘t? Will you be so kind to enlighten them? 😂 Back to the topic of stories, time travel is usually a shit concept because it brings up many questions wnd loads of plot holes… just like it does in Harry Potter. If you want to tell a serious story, stay as far away from time travel as possible

[@LyraValley]

I love Harry Potter too but the fact that you have to constantly keep saying that you love Harry Potter in order to not get attacked by an angry mob of fans just for saying that it isn't perfect says quite a lot about the fandom.

[@taylrthegreat]

Well I mean look at football fans they devoutly cheer for their team even if they've lost all the games in the season that's the same thing with fandoms of anything they are fanatic about the thing they like otherwise they'd just be called patrons people who literally just appreciate whatever it is that they'd like the mere term Fandom in and of itself is based on fanatic and kingdom not democracy or anything like that

[@hadasnissan4412]

Tbh I feel like it's the same in most fandoms... Another prominent example for that is kpop, but I feel like there are fans like that in any fandom, even if they're in the minority.

[@aw7400]

@@taylrthegreat As someone who is a fan of perpetually losing teams, trust me that we are well aware of our teams' tremendous flaws. The difference is that even the best sports team will lose many games in a typical season (anywhere from 10% [football] to 40% [baseball] of all games they play). The same is true of books and movies. They will naturally be flawed in some ways and depending on the genre you can easily pick out between 10 to 40% of the book / film as something to be criticized. Unfortunately more casual readers of literature or consumers of film won't be used to picking out flaws so they see any sort of criticism of their entertainment as a personal attack. I find the people who have wide, varied interests in fiction are usually more approachable and less defensive than the ones who might only be fans of Harry Potter or Star Wars or something else of the sort.

[@Erri_17]

I agree, it's enough if you say that you don't see Snape as a hero but rather a villain and that he and Lily wouldn't make a good couple, and then you have fans attacking you.

[@weescotspaul]

Most people can see the flaws in their favourite shows/movies/books/teams/characters, but there are a few who just take it _way_ too seriously and can't hear even the slightest piece of criticism about what they deem to be perfect. Even though those people are usually in the minority, it's them who tend to make the most noise so their numbers seem somewhat inflated. I got absolutely lambasted once on the comments section of a video about a _Doctor Who_ episode. My crime? I said that I found Rose Tyler to be selfish and needy and I was not particularly upset when she left the show. Wow... you'd think I'd just announced myself to be a multiple murderer and child abuser. "Grow up, ffs!" is usually my first thought when encountering those people.

[@coolbeans5911]

"there's a horde of dangerous giant man-eating spiders in the forest. They will eat you when they get the chance. What should we do about it?" "send students there for detention" "here's a big flying animal that is pretty chilled but can act out when threatened" "execute it of course"

[@lizzychrome7630]

Here's a guy who admits he helped Voldemort for years, and only switched sides because the one chick he was obsessed with was in danger. Dumbles will get him off the hook! Here's another guy who was a faithful comrade and soldier, sent to Azkaban without a trail. Eh, no need for Dumdum to get involved, he's probably guilty. I mean look at that rock star hair.

[@lenaertsjelke]

I think Hagrid being so scared for his job might have something to do with the experience of him getting expelled for Arragog (it’s that the spider’s name, I’m not sure). From Harry’s stories about Draco and the Malfoy’s reputation he might have predicted that Draco would complain to his father and Lucius would try and do something about it. Hagrid has been burned badly in the past over his love for creatures and maybe he was scared it would happen again. Also I don’t think we saw enough about the Marauders friendship to really know why the Potters would trust Peter more over Lupin and Sirius. It’s why I would love a spin-off in the Marauders time at Hogwarts. From what we know about them now I don’t even get that they were friends with Peter at all. It’s just seemed like James, Lupin and Sirius were super close and Peter was just tagging along but there must be more to it as he knew about Lupin being a werewolf, he was an animagi (idk how to spell that sorry) for Lupin, he also was stil a part of their friend group after Hogwarts (if they didn’t like they could have ditched him there, say they just “grew apart”). Obviously they all were close with Peter and trusted him a lot. JK Rowling just never showed us why or how or anything really.

[@reihleoberle8702]

It wasn’t that the potters trusted Pedigrew more, it’s that Sirius didn’t trust himself enough because he was such an obvious choice.

[@Richard_Nickerson]

James and Pettigrew had a sexual relationship.

[@loonar7960]

I personally don't want JK touching this series ever again. She's done so much retconning in her Twitter posts that I don't think it'd be recognizable.

[@Richard_Nickerson]

@@loonar7960 Imagine the books with all her BS actually written into them now.

[@MYfurryLITTLEbrain]

I was going to point out Hagrids past trauma as a reason he's so anixious! X

[@ag9652]

Also, did Lupin not notice that there was two Harrys and Hermiones on the map when he looked at the map and noticed Pettigrew? You would have thought he'd mention it.

[@510.nick_7]

Mhm true, but the map has a lot of inconsistencies inside of itself already.

[@tyskflicka576]

Loved this video, but there are a couple of mistakes in it 1. The reason students don't need permission slips for the Triwizard tournament is because the champions were all supposed to be of age 2. Lupin isn't an animagus, Peter, James and Sirius are. (Though the point about him not being able to perform riddukuls is still valid)

[@merphynapier42]

Did I call him an animagus? I think I only called the others one. Maybe i misspoke at some point though!

[@merphynapier42]

woops, just remembered that I def did say it at one point. Dumb mistake lol!

[@tyskflicka576]

@@merphynapier42 Still really love this video though lmao

[@elephant35e]

It makes sense why students need permission slips for the Triwizard Tournament, but it doesn't make sense why they would them to visit Hogsmeade. Hogsmeade is within walking distance of the school and it's filled with places appropriate for 13+ year olds such as candy shops, a joke shop, a butterbeer bar, etc. Why would someone need permission to go there, especially if they're with a bunch of other friends?

[@jelielm.8103]

@@elephant35e because parents sent them to Hogwarts, and if they leave the school, parents need to know. Every school is like that.

[@breezy3392]

Hermione and Harry didn't change time at the end. Everything they did was happening the first time around, we just weren't shown it from that perspective

[@anna_banana7019]

5:15 It was hagrids first day as a professor he was incredibly nervous and insecure and was worried when he let of all students, Draco get hurt.

[@ImALefty08]

7:50 here’s my explanation as to why Lupin’s spell had SEEMED to be not working: When Lupin saw Harry was about to pass out he casted the riddikulus spell at the boggart to help him out. It may have changed into something funny at that time and we just weren’t told about it in the book since the focus was on Harry. Harry also wasn’t actually paying attention when that happened. The boggart averted it’s attention to Lupin and it transformed again, this time into a full moon, hence the loud crack sound. Still, Harry was too exhausted to see what happened and just noticed that his patronus, along with the boggart dementor had vanished but didn't see the actual transformation of the boggart from something funny to looking like an orb. Lupin didn’t cast another riddikulus spell but instead forced the boggart orb back into the case with his wand since he didn’t want it to be destroyed, like what happened during class, because they still needed it for their next private lessons.

[@divadrelffehs]

They never changed time because in the future they'd already gone to their past. That day had always had two Harrys and Hermiones running around.

[@smoshbooz]

Yeah and that's a huge problem it creates an infinite loop and a fixed timeline. Everything that has and will happen is already decided. It's such an enormous problem I can't believe Rowling didn't think about it for 2 seconds

[@divadrelffehs]

@@smoshbooz How is that a problem?

[@smoshbooz]

@@divadrelffehs because it means that everything ever has already happened because there are in infinite number of timelines going around and around. So there was no real risk, no real stakes. Harry had already defeated Voldemort and won the war an infinite number of times. Everything ever was always gonna be the way it turned out to be. It feels cheated and so unnecessary. Time travel should never have been included. What we watched or read was not the first timeline so by then everything was already planned.

[@smoshbooz]

It feels like you're watching something that has already happened an infinite amount of times even though it's the first time watching it. You're watching just 1 timeline of the infinite timelines

[@divadrelffehs]

@@smoshbooz But it hasn't happened an infinite number of times. It's happened once. On the point of determinism. Everything will turn out the way that it will turn out. Harry was always going to defeat Voldemort, or not. But that fact isn't where the causal power lay. Voldemort was always going to choose to kill Harry, not because it was destined, but it was destined because he would choose to . His decisions were the causal power, and he was free to do otherwise, but he didn't so that world wasn't his destiny.

[@dylanhall9470]

Even though it makes no sense to give a 13-year-old the power to time travel just for more classes, I think the time travel logic in this book is really good. They aren't changing anything when they go back (that's more like Back to the Future-style time travel). They are just enacting the things that they already experienced, such as Harry saving himself and Sirius from the dementors. They just didn't realize before that their presence was necessary to make those things happen. But Harry even has that realization at the end when he says he knew he could do the patronus because he already saw himself do it.

[@starryk79]

yeah i agree with that. Thats why Hermione couldn't use the time turner to attend to the charms class. She was already seen by many students as NOT being there, so that would have been the first time she would really change time. The scene at the end with Madame Pomfrey is also not change of time because Dumbledore let Harry and Hermione in as soon as her earlier version left and it always was that way. But it is indeed a bit weird that Snape didn't know about the time turner.

[@xilj4002]

If Hermione decided to use the time turner to be at class she would have always been there. No changing time. If she decided to attend every class and use the time turner whenever she needs it, she could have fallen asleep, but she would have been at class, then be woken by classmates not getting how she got there so fast from the classroom. (And if someone decided to save the Potters with a time turner, their death would have been fake news, it's just that noone thought about it.)

[@MamaMOB]

This is the main problem with time travel. It can't have always happened because there HAS to be a time when it didn't happen for it to happen in the first place. If time travel always existed then there's no incentive to invent time travel therefore it can't have always existed. That's the paradox of time travel.

[@PhilBagels]

@@starryk79 Snape could have just been playing the fool to throw Fudge off the trail and maintain his cover. Snape had to endure a lot of indignities for the greater good.

[@dylanhall9470]

Well that's why time traveling to the past most likely isn't possible in the real world, but in fiction there are no problems inherent in time travel, as long as the rules are clearly established and the story doesn't break them. For instance, this is why The Cursed Child isn't good. In Prisoner of Azkaban, it's clearly established that there is only one timeline, and it cannot be changed, so there is no "first time" - it only seems that way to us because we are following our characters as they experience it. But thinking linearly about all of the events, a person can go back as many times as they want, but it won't change anything because they will have ALWAYS been there. But in The Cursed Child, they are going back to change the past, which clearly violates the previously established rules.

[@ConstanzaRigazio]

2:41 The staircases in Hogwarts move. Maybe they were positioned in a particularly inconvenient configuration that day.

[@oggylinchen2596]

No, they dont move in the books. Just in the Film

[@LanguageImaginations]

Harry‘s parents made Peter Pettigrew their secret keeper exactly because they thought Voldemort would never think they would make such a stupid person their secret keeper. This is very well explained in the books in my opinion. Anyway, love how Harry Potter is still talked about and discussed to such an extent. I have my issues with the developpment of some storylines within the story as well, but I think this is just a testimony of how amazing these books are! We end up talking about them for hours and it they keep us thinking and I think that‘s wonderful! Like many of us I grew up reading the books (in German, English, French and Spanish) and they will be a part of my life forever!

[@hannahhansen3005]

I feel you may have answered your own question. Hermiony could only use the time turner for the extra classes, not to “goof” off taking a nap instead of charms. So she had to miss charms class.

[@philippzimmerer1280]

About the time Turner and Hermione missing charms: she can in no case change past events, that's actually the important rule in using them. So, as Harry and Ron have already noticed her not having been to the class, she cannot go back to it. It's basically a "don't create time travel paradoxes" rule. And the whole final arc of the book is about them working around what already happened. And no, there is no changing in what Madam Pomfrey saw or did. Harry and Hermione return to the hospital wing at the exact moment they disappear inside. Dumbledore even says, before he lets them in, that he's just heard them disappear. So unless Madam Pomfrey was actually watching them use the time turner, sie wouldn't know.

[@spackenvids987]

except the only way for Hermione to miss the class is if she decides not to go back in time to take it... otherwise she would have been there in the first place, not missing it...

[@hexingon6088]

Well if she is on 2 same places at a same time it means that she changed past because in the past she wasn't in the one class to begin with.Whole rules of time travel aren't really clear and JK really shouldn't have added something that complex and dangerous in her books without thinking about everything that can go wrong and trying to "fix" it

[@philippzimmerer1280]

@@hexingon6088 except she WAS in two places at the same time. Everything that happens, happens twice only to her, and once to everyone else. And both instances of Hermione influence things at the same time. So if Harry and Ron live through a charms class and Hermione isn't there, that means she can't, after realizing she missed it, go back and change that. Same goes for their rescue operation at the finale: they can't do anything that directly contradicts what they experienced the first time they lived through it. The stones they throw into Hagrids hut came flying without explanation before that. Buckbeak never died (which Dumbledore knows when he instructs them to use the time turner). Harry saved everyone from the dementors. It's all already happened. For the record: JKR has plenty of logic flaws in her books. I don't think anyone who has considered them in depth will argue with that. But I think the time travel thing is halfway neatly wrapped up. You could, of course, always ask what happens when someone goes rogue and DOES change events, and there's no clear answer to that. But then again, this is not a SciFi novel. I don't need that answer here.

[@philippzimmerer1280]

@@spackenvids987 that's the thing though. If she went and was there, Harry and Ron would not tell her she missed the class, which in turn would mean she wouldn't go because she didn't think of it without events that were actually caused by her missing the class. She has been instructed by professor McGonagall when she received the time turner at the start of the year. She can't change things that have already happened. As I said in another reply, it's basically a rule against creating time travel paradoxes.

[@sirus13019]

You talked about lupin's patronus but didn't mention how an entire classroom of students could not identify the moon when they saw it

[@hadasnissan4412]

I think they were just confused cuz they didn't expect that but also didn't really think of it too much... Ik too many people who wouldn't really give a shit about that if they were in this situation irl lol

[@Matthew_Murray]

The Time-Turner is my favorite example of time-travel in fiction. The thing about how the book does time-travel is that everything is already predetermined. Example: In the end, Harry and Hermione are saved from Dementors. Harry and Hermione go back in time and save themselves from Dementors. It's a nice logical time loop compared to other stories with time travel that use alternate timelines. Basically, Hermione was always going to miss that class because she didn't go the first time. If she would have used the time turner then she wouldn't have missed the class, but once she did miss the class that basically locked the timeline. Best not to think about it too much, my heads hurting just trying to explain it lol.

[@spackenvids987]

Hermione missing the class doesn't make any sense... The only way for her to miss it would be her deciding to miss it, otherwise she would be there in the first place NOT missing it, because she would later turn back time to take the class

[@spinos1237]

@@spackenvids987 Hermione gets woken up by Ron and Harry though, so the first thing she knows when she wakes up is that she didn't go to charms

[@Billythekid73192]

@@spackenvids987 it is cuz it already happened she can't go back and change it anymore or else that would create another timeline

[@lucaleone4331]

I think that Peter always seemed to loyal or dependent on James. They say how he follows them around doing everything and such. So I dont think they would think he would be with volde. Lupin being a werewolf and volde having control over most dark creatures is why I think sirius didnt trust him. And sirius is black so...his family is an issue. That's the logic I see atleasr

[@lordihlendam3619]

"I'm going to end on the time turner" (7 minutes to go in the video). Yeah, the time turner was a logical nightmare. No wonder JK got rid of the lot by the end of book 5.

[@DarkLordGanondorf190]

I imagine Sirius thinking like this: "Well, one of us has to be a spy. Could it be Peter? Weak, cowardly, spineless Peter? NAH!"

[@samwheaton8591]

why wouldn't james himself just be secret keeper? Bill did it for shell cottage in deathly hallows

[@drogadepc]

Because he and Lily couldn't leave the house for nothing. Someone had to bring them what they needed like supplies and news.

[@bluegreen5377]

@@drogadepc So? James could've been secret keeper and told people he trusted where they lived. Like Dumbledore had to be the one to tell Harry (on a piece of paper) about Grimmauld Place but until Dumbledore died Harry couldn't relay the information to anyone else.

[@desmondgentle1474]

8:10 What have you been doing to that book, you depraved woman?! And don't tell me it's just a book that's been written on. Desecrated, bespoiled, befouled! And before you all get upset, this is a reference to Half -Blood Prince

[@jwinget1999]

Well Hermione couldn't have gone back to attend Charms because she would have gone back only after the boys had asked her why she wasn't gone, which they wouldn't have done if she had gone back to Charms and she couldn't have woken herself up because YOU MUST NOT BE SEEN. That would have created a time paradox, which I am pretty sure that she had been warned against.

[@lucasdisabato3869]

Wouldn't Lupin have been able to see 2 Harry's and 2 Hermione's on the map before heading to the whopping willow?

[@scion2245ify]

Why did Peter need a wand to transform back to a rat but Sirius doesn’t?

[@ilotusi8840]

Maybe they do to him some kind ofspell that couldn't let him tansform to an animagus by himself (sorry for my eng).

[@lordvika2526]

The thing about Hagrid and losing his job, you have to remember it was litterly his first day as a teacher and a student got hurt by one of the animals. That's why he was worried about losing his job, not that he had fore sight , but it was his very first day on the job and he done messed up. The thing about Lupin, maybe his boggart turned into like a silver or glass ball, instead of the moon.

[@eduardoo31]

for me, time travel can make sense if it follows one of these two rules: either time is completely linear and you can't change ANYTHING (i.e., if you go back in time and try and kill your grandparents you won't be able to do it, because you exist, therefore your parents must come to be), or the act of changing something creates a sort of parallel universe (so if you do manage to kill your grandparents, you won't be born in that universe's future, but since you were born in another one, you continue to exist just fine). for me, the first rule is the most interesting one, because it allows you to play around with fate and prophecies and such. but yeah, just my two cents as a physicist hahahaha

[@onceuponamelody]

Yes! I think one of the best examples of the second option is in the Back to the Future trilogy. I have yet to encounter the first scenario in a movie or book, but it would be interesting!

[@eduardoo31]

@@onceuponamelody Lost is this way more or less. It's where I got the idea. "Whatever happened haopened"

[@jamieconnell5584]

Back to the future doesn’t quite follow that set of rules cuz he almost erased himself from existence so it proves it’s not a parallel universe but the actual future

[@FrenkieWest32]

Almost every story involving time travel doesn't stick to these and becomes illogical. Anyway, for the first option it kinda removes the point of time travel imo. Both for character motivation and storytelling. It also kinda means that characters have no free will or smth while in the past. Kinda strange.

[@eduardoo31]

@@FrenkieWest32 it is, in my professional opinion as a physicist, how the universe works haha. So it's just really natural to me. Also, the characters don't need to know that they are walking down an inevitable path. That's what makes it interesting!

[@HarperJay_]

I think the permission slip had more to do with it being a privilege rather than dangerous.

[@Isabella-de7kv]

Bree Burch i felt the same way

[@taylrthegreat]

Field trip

[@glenbe4026]

I went to High School in both New Zealand and Australia. (New Zealand in particular is very similar to the UK). You ALWAYS needed a permission slip to leave school grounds, even if you were going for lunch.

[@alyssaw750]

@@glenbe4026 That's exactly what I have thought for a while, because you're leaving school. Same in the US.

[@janospergely3805]

what do u mean privilage? how is getting your parents signature/permission giving you more privilage than others? not being sassy just curious lol. i have to re read that part to see exactly what was said.. i remember them making it such a big deal that he didnt have SOMEONE who could sign for him. harry even asked them to please sign for him. clearly people agree with this theory so i wana know what im missing lol. wasnt hogwarts really protected? and the field trip more dangerous because it wasnt as guarded? been a while lol

[@riyaziyyat2757]

Lupin didn’t want to “finish the boggart off” - also, he’s not an animagus

[@rohanmulgaokar5682]

Maybe Dumbledore was using reverse psychology my making Snape list all the other possibilities rather than time Turner so that he doesn't think about it and Hermione didn't reverse her nap because she was being a model student only using it for attending classes until the end of course precisely why McGonagall gave her the turner

[@theendofit]

No they never changed time. They always walked in. It was a loop

[@epicsamurai5]

As I said on the other video, all my problems with JK, she pulled off good closed loop time travel. Then Cursed Child messes it up.

[@sirmurford2737]

Hermione couldn't go back in time to make sure she didn't miss Charms. She only realized she missed Charms because Harry and Ron told her. If she goes back to not miss the class, Harry and Ron never have a reason to tell her she's missed it. Creating a paradox.

[@UnderageStrangeGames]

I’m pretty sure the way time turners work you can’t actually change anything. So if Hermione missed a class she can’t go back and fix it because she missed that class. If she realizes she missed a class but someone was like “no you were there” than she can go back and fix it. But time travel is weird so who knows

[@guitarfreak80ftw]

You mentioned Seamus! (another KZbinr I follow) Edit: it’s Seamus GorMan not GorDan

[@christalbot210]

This is my favorite of the series and the fact that the time travel is actually done well is one of the reasons. Past Harry would have died if Future Harry hadn't saved him with the Patronus charm. Nobody else was close enough (they were already scattering by the time Snape got there). As such, the loop always existed and there were two Harrys and two Hermiones for that period of time. One detail I did NOT notice (a friend pointed it out) was when the trio were waiting for everybody to clear out of the Great Hall (if memory serves) before they put on the Invisibility Cloak and visit Hagrid. It was mention that the last noise they heard was two people running very fast and a door slamming. This was future Harry and Hermione arriving from said future and running into the broom closet. I thought it was so cool that bit was put in there and left for us to discover (even though I didn't).

[@thefrankster875]

This my favorite book too, I think the Sirius parts through the book are the best ones!

[@Jc-dm9gn]

The part your talking about lupin and the boggart thing the reason the spell ridiculous doesn’t work is because he doesn’t think anything is really that funny

[@CoopDVille-rx3hp]

I love these books as well. However,I personally really enjoy watching you tear them apart with observations that I either missed or would have never made. They're enthralling and well written books, but by nature of the types of magic and their applications in the story, there were probably always going to be problems with the overall cohesion of its logic. I love these videos!

[@robertgronewold3326]

You're greatly missing one very important part of on the time travel. IT'S CLOSED LOOP TIME TRAVEL. This means that the person from the future is ALWAYS meant to come back and influence the past. Nothing is being altered Back to the Future style. When the trio are for the first time moving down to Hagrid cabin, they stay out of the Entrance Hall for a moment because they hear footsteps and a door closing. This was future Harry and Hermione hiding so they would not be seen. The past trio heard MacNare hit something with his axe. This was always him furiously driving it into the fence because Buckbeak was gone. There are many subtle clues in the text that explain how the time travel in this instance is looped. And the looped time travel is evident through all the book. Hermione was diligently making certain that she was not seen when she went back in time, so that she was always maintaining a stable time loop that did not alter the past, and in fact made it so that she was destined to travel back in time. Everything was orderly. This is also why she did not go back to her class. Had she gone back to her missed Charms class, she would have altered the past, which was strictly against the rules that she was set. We must also give Dumbledore some credit in this. He clearly deduced how things had been influenced by Hermione beforehand, and so set things into motion. In fact he might have even noticed Harry and Hermione in the garden through Hagrid's window, delaying things so that they had time to get away. Of course Dumbledore would be all for saving Buckbeak, and then, realizing that Hermione was in two places at once, sent her on her mission to expressly save Buckbeak and use him to rescue Sirius. Now, it is true that he could have simply changed time with the Time Turner, but I imagine that Dumbledore, much like Hermione, would be leery of altering the past, even for the sake of capturing Pettigrew. There was no way of knowing how things would have played out if the loop had been broken.

[@MamaMOB]

The problem with closed loop time travel is it's a loop. Once she time travels that's ALL she can do. She'd be living the same hour over and over again. Even if she is in 2 places at the same time she's still only one person. She's in 2 places at the same time to US not to her. For her every time IS the first time. At the end of the class she'd have no choice but to rewind time and relive it or she never will.

[@She-Devil94]

@@MamaMOB Not really. With looped time travel you just create a second version of yourself (Future you). At "the end/beginning of the Loop" past you will go back in time and starts the loop again while future you goes on as if nothing happened.

[@Theserendipitywritingstudio]

@@She-Devil94 there is no "future" you its alwsdy PRESENT you. Like she said its always the first time for Hermione doing something .

[@She-Devil94]

@@Theserendipitywritingstudio I just named them Future you and past you to make it less confusing. Both are present you but only for themselves. But one is older than the other. For example: If you first go to Divination then use the timeturner and go to Arithmancy the version of you in Divination was not in Arithmancy yet and will use the timeturner afterwards to do so. The version of you in Arithmancy was already in Divination and will go on afterwards.

[@Richard_Nickerson]

Then why is it such a dangerous thing and kept under such protections if it's a safe little loop? If something only happens because it was always going to happen, then why does time traveling actually even matter? There's no good explanation for any side of this.

[@laloveisbad88]

Hagrid is scared for his job because he’s seen Malfoy’s power when he got Dumbledore fired. He knows what he’s capable of. I thought that one was pretty obvious.

[@aw7400]

The difference being that children were being petrified under Dumbledores watch, meanwhile Malfoy was only scratched by Buckbeak. Furthermore, Hagrid was the exact same person who took Malfoy out to the Forbidden Forest as punishment two years earlier and *left him on his own with just his - as admitted by Hagrid himself - cowardly dog as protection.* If Malfoy was going to try and get Hagrid fired over anything you would think that would have been the thing to do it.

[@masongarrod6681]

Dumbledore did not actively do anything that allowed students to get petrified. The case against Hagrid would be that he brought in a dangerous animal around students and didn't have enough safety precautions to prevent students being injured. Obviously we know Malfoy provoked Buckbeak, but hippogriffs are still dangerous creatures and the fact that he brought it in and a student got injured by it in his very first lesson, sets a pretty bad case against Hagrid, especially considering his past record where just getting the job in the first place would have been no small thing

[@kargas20]

The hallways in the school are sometimes in other places, also the staircases switch on different parts of the day. I think they weren't used to the rout from the class cause it changed. About Lupins boggart, he might be so terrified he couldn't riddicule it for long.

[@lucassilveira1027]

8:57 I agree that Lupin is very talented, but Lupin never became an animagus, because the whole point of them becoming Animagi is to accompany Lupin. Besides, it's phisically impossible for a werewolf to become an Animagus, because one of the steps of becoming an Animagus is to keep a Mandrake leaf inside your mouth for a month, and it's impossible to keep the leaf in your mouth in wolf form

[@corysboredagain]

A lot of interesting points! I think the permission slips are about liability insurance. Forbidden Forest, Quidditch, Triwizard are all on Hogwarts grounds. Hogwarts insurance must not cover field trips! And as for Hagrid, I felt like the reason he was so fearful was to show the power of money and status against the little guy.

[@marceloalvarado6554]

I've been loving your reviews of the books, I have been rereading all the books at least once a year for the past 12 years (it's been kind of a christmas tradition of mine by now) and before that I always re-read before each new book release. I just wanna comment on the Hagrid being so scared of losing his job at the Buckbeak situation: I'm a teacher myself and just last year I started teaching at the biggest/most prestigious school in my town and it truly is nerve-wrecking. The pressure of wanting to keep my job at this important school is so much that every minor mistake put me in an anxiety attack that I started not wanting to go back because I was afraid that the moment I set foot in the school they would fire me. Hogwarts is such a huge school and so prestigious in the wizarding world, allegedly the only one in England, and this is Hagrid's first year in a job that he himself has clearly a lot of respect for, plus he has such awe and respect for Dumbledore that he would not want to disappoint him. This job is SO important that he is afraid any minor mistake will send him packing, especially considering he is not a "graduated" citizen, he's a half-giant, he probably knows the tantrums that parents probably threw, so yeah, it is totally plausible for him to be that scared over a scratch. I really hope you read this, I've been admiring you and your work for a very short amount of time, but I already love your channel.

[@ShoeLessJoseph]

After hearing your rant about the time turner, I can't wait to hear you rant about Harry being forced to participate in the tri wizard cup.

[@catej.2044]

I was thinking the same thing. Perversely, I love how pointlessly convoluted Voldemort's whole plot was in that book -- he's so extra.

[@FrenkieWest32]

What was it again? "Both parties of the contract (ministry, Hogwarts, Harry, etc.) wanted him to get out of it, but "we must honor the contract" as if it's the unbreakable vow.

[@lordteensie6156]

@@FrenkieWest32 well that was the deal "binding magical contract" they don't really explain what this means, but the implication is that Harry has no choice once his name comes out of the goblet

[@FrenkieWest32]

@@lordteensie6156 yeah, but a "binding contract" usually means that one party cannot dissolve it, not that both cannot dissolve it. I cannot imagine any possible reason as to why you'd want a contract that is binding even if both parties want to cancel it.

[@lordteensie6156]

@@FrenkieWest32 but the other party is the goblet of fire

[@OlgaSPN]

As for Hagrid freaking out over Buckbeak "attacking" Malfoy (let's be real it was a justifiable bitchslap) - probably it was the first time he realized that he's basically negligent and puts the students in real danger. Breaking your leg during PE is not the same as e.g. being mauled by a rabid dog the teacher brought for a petting session. The first one comes with the territory.

[@insuburbia]

"Man, do people get mad when you say this series isn't perfect." Truer words have never before been spoken. Full disclosure: I *love* this series, and I think JK is a master of the craft. There, I hope that's enough to save me in the comments. ;)

[@stevencundy4501]

Harry Potter is fantastic and has some really lovable characters and a great setting but like anything, it isn't perfect by any means. That's ok. It is entertainment and doesn't need to be perfect.

[@insuburbia]

@@stevencundy4501 Couldn't agree more.

[@BibiixMusic]

I'm guessing the permission slip is because they're leaving the teachers supervision? Best explanation I have at least.

[@kaster03]

I think the spell, Ridiculous, needs laughter to work..

[@zarablogs4382]

A boggart does

[@franciscoramirez1940]

I always thought that the reason why it took them so long to find Mcgonagall's it’s bc the stairs are always changing, so the ways to get to someone’s class are not necessarily the same every time. Also, the classroom might not have been the same.

[@aryanerry7004]

HERMIONE CAN'T CHANGE TIME! That's the issue with closed loop time travel. Hermione can't go back in time to take the Charms lesson because she was told by Harry and Ron that she missed the lesson. If she did, she would change the past which is not allowed. But again, this assumes the Cursed Child is not canon. Great video though! I've been binge-watching this playlist :)

[@jonwojtowicz9940]

so at 7:39 you were talking about how lupins bogart never changed into something funny after he yells riddikulus but it actually says it turns into a cockroach after lupin says "Forward, Neville and finish it off!"

[@paulblana]

Why can't Hermione see herself when she's time travelling if she knows that she's the one messing with time?

[@ABurntMuffin]

Imagine for one moment what might happen to the universe if future you walks up and says something, something that you'll have to repeat later. But now you decide, I'm not gonna do that, I'm gonna say something different. Now imagine for one moment it's not even something said but something done, a brush of the hair, a sneeze, anything. Literally any incongruity could tear apart the fabric of reality if it is indeed a closed loop system like it appears to be in the books and movies.

[@felixfeliciano7011]

@@ABurntMuffin Nothing would change, at least not in the HP universe. For very few exceptions which seem to have more to do with inconsistent writing than changing rules, the Time Turner seems to obey the laws of causality when it comes to Time Travel. That is it is a closed loop. When you travel back in time, you can't actually change anything because it already happened. We see this very thing happen with Harry when he saves himself. You will note that while Harry was reeling from all of the dementors, he absolutely saw himself - whom he mistook as his father - casting the patronus. He broke the one rule that you said would cause a cascade paradox. Yet there were no negative consequences. This would be similar to Hermione meeting herself. Anything she said to herself would have been the same thing she had heard in her past. Nothing would change based on that meeting - that is because nothing could change. Time has already been written and you can't affect it in a closed loop.

[@ABurntMuffin]

@@felixfeliciano7011 That was a very long comment to say "I don't understand." You're not wrong about a closed time loop, but that's not the issue here. Theoretically it is totally possible to create a closed time loop in which you can never escape and it is also totally possible to alter a 'closed time' loop if you're the initial condition, or patient 0. Think of it this way, if you break all possibility of creating a closed time loop, then the timeline you start and end in are no longer the same timelines and the reality you initially left will be forever without you. You can totally attempt to create a closed time loop but mess it up. There's 2 scenarios. Scenario #1 would entail you accidentally running into yourself. Since that never happened to you in the past, you're now in a different timeline ala the butterfly effect. Scenario #2 requires you to have the plan to meet yourself, so then it happens. Your future self comes to you to say something. That can work. The problem here is if you also make the conscious (or stupid) mistake of saying something different or not saying it at all, you also end up in a different time line. Neither of those scenarios are closed timelines because you are, in the end, not replacing yourself but another version of you. Hope that makes more sense.

[@felixfeliciano7011]

@@ABurntMuffin You cannot have alternate or different timelines in a closed time loop. A closed time loop or time travel that obeys causality does not allow for changing the past. You cant "mess up" what was always going to happen in the first place. You cannot "attempt to create" a closed time loop. It is a concept of time travel, not a situation or circumstance you can find yourself in. Either time is a closed loop, or it isn't. You cannot have it and then lose it or not have it and gain it.

[@ABurntMuffin]

@@felixfeliciano7011 Sure but it's still not a closed loop by default. Closed loops only come about when conditions are met and THAT is why it is dangerous to mess with time. Now you're just purposefully misreading.

[@marcusflaviusGS]

My main problem with this kind of time travel, where everything is predetermined and, no matter what you do, anything will change, is: why use the time turner in the first place at all ??? Because if going back also means "not changing anything", why use it at all?

[@kami_kauai]

Everything you say about the Time Turner makes a lot of sense! I always thought it was excessive to have one given to a young student, but you go into in-depth analysis and it's really making me think about this more! About Lupin and his boggart not going away: I"m thinking there might be a possibility that he is actively preserving the boogart because there aren't too many available in the castle and he wants to keep it for a next group/class (I seem to remember something about him needing to chase one down for practice with Harry). Probably convoluted anyway ;)

[@Mona-kg6hy]

4:58 you gotta think tho, this man not only didn't graduate but was EXPELLED and was in PRISON the year before (was eventually deemed innocent, but still). He's only a teacher because of Dumbledore's good graces as far as I can remember. So for Hagrid, a person who was _expelled for endangering students_ ending up making Malfoy get hurt (Malfoy's fault but still) - aka _endangering students_ - and knowing Malfoys father will likely hear of it and bring the government into it, yeah, I'd fear for my job too

[@booklanerecommendations]

Maybe the answer to "Why did Sirius suspect Lupin rather than Peter?" lies in Sirius's prejudices. Sirius was brought up in a very prejudiced environment, and we know that he was strongly opposed to his horrible family and their snob ideals, but we also know from the way he treats/treated house elves that he did take over at least some of their prejudices. We also know that Sirius was and still is a bit of a macho, who loves to show off and take risks. From Sirius's perspective, I can imagine Peter would look like a wimpy child. Inferior to the three tough "real men", and someone who might run away and hide from the war, but far too pathetic to ever be able to actively work for Voldemort as a spy. And Sirius, impulsive and proud, thought letting Peter be the secret keeper was an ingenious plan. Then Lupin. We know Lupin's friends loved and accepted him and became Animagi to support him. But it's still possible Sirius had some small prejudice against werewolves in the back of his mind. We know he was occasionally insensitive towards Lupin's situation (a.k.a. when he thought bringing Snape into contact with werewolf Lupin was a funny "prank"). Maybe he thought werewolves were more likely to turn bad through their aggressive animal side, or maybe he figured Voldemort was more likely to recruit marginalised groups such as werewolves (which he literally did with Fenrir Greyback's pack). It's a stupid reasoning for many reasons, but one that I think could be possible coming from Sirius. I guess the real question is how James and Lily agreed to this.

[@bea-jv9ri]

I think about the permission slip is it’s actually leaving hogwarts so when they let them go to hogwarts they’re signing them up for everything in it but hogsmeade is outside hogwarts

[@ShadowDogProduction]

Oh and I'm floored that I never noticed the Snape plothole. I've read the book many times and its literally my job to analyze plots and I never noticed that of course Snape would know about the time turner. Very sharp of you to pick up on that.

[@leif6534]

I think the thing with hagrid had to do with the prejudice. It seems in the later books, his being half giant is pretty much commom knowledge amongst older kids, adults, and obviously the kids of adults who have the same prejudice

[@houseplant8540]

Remus isn't a anamagus, his friends only became them to be able to comfort him when he was a werewolf

[@jolteonrpgplayer2751]

Actually with the Madam Pomfery one that came back at the exact time they left and their past selfs would still be there every time she checked on them

[@adisonshowalter1985]

What bothers me: 1. Lupin ran straight to Harry when he saw Sirius chasing him. But he didn’t take the map with him but instead left it out..... unveiled. For anyone to read. Which Snape conveniently did so he could take them back to the ward later. Because yeah plot contrivances. 2. Lupin’s friends became Animagi to help him cope with his werewolf curse. When they were together, they would help him keep a sound mind. Yet when he goes full werewolf when they exit the Whomping Willow, Sirius is unable to keep him tame in his dog mode.... because I guess it’s not working anymore? 3. My biggest Lupin grievance in this book: why and how did he forget to take his potion? I know the issue at hand was pressing but still. I guess he had a scheduled time he took it. But even so. Why in the world would missing one day cause him to lose his mind when he does transform? If he takes it everyday leading up to the full moon, how is missing one day going to cause him to completely lose his sense of self once he transforms? Maybe lose a piece of it, sure, but all of it? Still my favorite character from my favorite book of the series.

[@cookiemonster6468]

Here are my 2 cents on the things that you commented about: 1. I think Lupin ran to Harry when he saw Peter on the map, not Sirius. It makes sense to forget about everything else and run as fast as you can when you see someone return from the dead. 2. We weren't told if Sirius could tame Lupin on his own - the same goes for James. Which makes me think that Sirius and James could only tame Lupin when they were together, not on their own. 3. I don't have anything to say about this point. :D I'm not picking a fight, I just wanted to share my thoughts.

[@drogadepc]

Trellawny probably wanted the tea cup to be broken. It has a special meaning, so no fixing it.

[@DevilboyScooby]

It's possible that Lupin didn't use the riddikulus charm in the second instance- he didn't want to defeat the boggart, he just wanted it back in the cabinet until next practice. Using riddikulus runs the risk of destroying the boggart, whereas 'forcing' the boggart back without magic negates that.

[@rustydaboyrobot]

Lupin actually uses Ridikulus to control the Bogart. He forces it back into the cabinet due to the force of his spell; no student can actually force the bogart to MOVE and be contained, only to change forms. The minister of Magic doesnt know about the time turner. Funny, but he doesnt. Snape isnt told everything, and there's no reason Mcgonagall would share that info. AND Dumbledore keeps secrets. 😄 The TIME TURNER story device is a convoluted contrivance for plot convenience. The Marauders Map works without fail. Marauders can only see each other; the reason for this is to protect Lupin being outed as a werewolf. No one NOT in their group would be able to look at the map where the werewolf is standing and see REMUS LUPIN in that spot. That's been my theory for years, so it's nice someone else has that same thought. 😄 Oh. P. S. Glad you are feeling better! 😄

[@beanieau]

i found your channel like 3 days ago i want to say and i literally have been binging everything you've ever uploaded. such a soothing voice and such great outlooks and opinions on books, very happy to have found your channel

[@urty24]

Switching the secret keeper has always bothered me. What's the point? I understand preferring Sirius over Dumbledore b/c James and Lily trusted Sirius implicitly but how does switching to Peter make any sense. The entire point of the charm is that no one can take the secret from the secret keeper by force or deception, it must be freely divulged. So how in the world is Peter possibly a superior choice?

[@333pinkelephant333]

Secret keepers can be forced to give up the secret through torture. Killing him also works because when Dumbledore died, everyone who knew about the headquarters became the secret keeper. This means that making yourself or your best buddy be the secret keeper is the dumbest idea because that exactly what the bad guys will expect. I think you're confusing the "can't force it out" part with the fact that you can't force a secret out of a non-secret keeper. So even though Snape knew the location of the Order, Voldy can't torture the address out of him because Dumbledore is the SK and only he can give up the secret.

[@urty24]

@333pinkelephant333 I’m pretty sure there is a similar passage somewhere in the series but according to JK on her website... “although the secret cannot be forced, bewitched or tortured out of a Secret Keeper who does not wish to give up their secret; it must be given voluntarily.” Given that; torture or veritaserum would be useless. I think the death thing is pretty easy to get around as well. Don’t let Sirius tell anyone other than James and Lily. Then if he’s killed the only remaining secret keepers are the Potters themselves.

[@333pinkelephant333]

@@urty24 I swear I'm going to need to start annotating my Harry Potter series. I don't remember anything xD I guess a loophole around the SK is to torture the loved ones until SK confesses?

[@urty24]

333pinkelephant333 that could work i think. Though in this particular case that pretty much just leaves Lupin and Peter bc of Sirius’ family situation.

[@drogadepc]

Hagrid had already been accused of releasing the Basilic years ago. That's why he could lose his job this time

[@1994Ivygirl]

Trelawney used the dustpan cause she was being dramatic, like LOOK I GOT THIS RIGHT GUYS!!

[@onceuponamelody]

Yes, good point on the permission slip!! That always annoyed me so much. Most sports in regular schools require permission slips and waivers and such (not sure if this is true in U.K. though). And why would they need one for Hogsmead but not need one to ATTEND HOGWARTS?!? It's a boarding school! Totally fair assessments, and I"m loving your review of HP!

[@gabrijela0978]

I agree with you saying that Sirius thinking Lupin is the snitch is illogical. But I raise you, it was the brink of the war, everyone knew there was a leak in the Order, and everyone suspected everyone, perhaps it was just one of those things where Sirius didn't trust anyone except James and he DID trust Remus, but there was still that part of him that believed he was the snitch, so he made Peter. Oh and I think it also is a good point on the fact that Sirius trusted Peter MORE than Remus, which really makes all canons over how they didn't care for Peter or how he was dumb and an idiot, disproved (if you say it like that).

[@TheMorfra]

Uhm, the time travel is the one thing that makes the most sense in the entire series

[@Jacob-du5if]

yes

[@TheThoerlChannel]

I think using this kind of time travel ruins the whole "your choices make you who you are" message, because literally no one in the world CAN make choices by that logic. It seems that it is physically impossible for Harry to just walk into the hut, because if he did, the perfect plan some time-deity made would be broken. Destiny already knows that Harry will cast the Patronus. He doesn't have a choice to do it, he HAS to. Because what happens if he doesn't? What happens if Lupin gets him before? He won't, because choices aren't real and Lupin is destined to not kill them. And that logic can be expanded onto every single choice every single person has ever made in this universe. Apparently, time doesn't allow mistakes and everything happens exactly as it is supposed to. Even if it were possible to somehow act out of god's plan, the consequences are unclear, and whatever they may be they are either not that bad, or world shatteringly bad, in which case there is no heckin' way this has never ever happened with an item they give to a school kid. The time travel only makes sense if you accept that every single living being in the Harry Potter Universe lives a predetermined life that has already been decided for them and every single thing they do their whole lives has been programmed into them. I think the only forms of time travel that make sense from our logical viewpoint are Dragonball-Timetravel (i.e. jumping from one timeline (or universe) to another, unable to change what happens in your own and immediately creating new timelines by even existing in one that isn't yours) or one-way travel to the future.

[@TheThoerlChannel]

(The same goes for prophecies in my opinion, however those are a lot more vague and could be resolved in loads of ways. I still don't like them very much)

[@lolcats4ever]

@@TheThoerlChannel you lost me on the "god's plan" sentence, stating "time doesn't allow mistakes" is an interesting proposition: what does this mean? otherwise determinism ftw xd lul

[@garynaccarto8636]

The thing with the time turner is that the adults should have figured that giving Hermione the time turner had the potential to do more harm than good and that giving it to her just so she could take extra classes seemed to have been both irresponsible on the part of the adults as well as not being worth the potential problems it could have caused.

[@sath2749]

Ok, I have to say that when she mentioned breaking the rule she was talking about changing things. When she was given the time turner for the classes she wasn't changing things so she wasn't breaking no rules. She was only breaking the rules when she was changing things to save Buckbeak and Sirius. Second I think the whole non-trust thing is not really that big of a thing between them (Sirus & Lupin). I think the reason he trusted Peter was how Sirius saw him, Peter idolized him and James. But if you want to say the trust thing Sirius had for Lupin probably was because he was a werewolf, and werewolves took Voldemort's side. I truly get the feeling that Lupin was closer to Lilly then to James and Sirius.

[@aletheastauron2009]

I love that we can speak about the books we love with such passion.

[@cecetivey345]

I was on Pottermore this morning and looked up "Hippogriff" 's. It said that a Hippogriff's scrape/cut has some sort of vain thing that whenever you get cut it can infect you? Idk. Pottermore.

[@vivianray8734]

Lupin isn’t an animagus, he’s a werewolf. James, serious and Peter are animagi. They did it so lupin wouldn’t be lonely in his werewolf form.

[@raelynndeschner3571]

Lupin's bogart does change when he used the spell. Directly above the section you had underlined it says it turned into a cockroach. He stepped forward to prevent Harry from getting a chance, it turned into the "orb", he said Ridikulus then immediately asked Neville to come forward. It went orb - cockroach - Snape, and didn't have another student in between who could be afraid of cockroaches.

[@Illjwamh]

Hermione couldn't go back and do the class that she missed, because the only reason she knows she missed it is because Ron asked her about it. If she went back, Ron wouldn't have asked her, meaning she wouldn't know she missed it, meaning she wouldn't have gone back, etc. It's the same reason Guy Pierce couldn't go back and save his wife in the 2002 adaptation of The Time Machine.

[@elephant35e]

Been waiting for this video!! Looking forward to GoF next!

[@stephenmalovski313]

Time travel never makes sense! One of the main reasons why all Terminator sequels beyond part 2 ѕuck

[@elephant35e]

Terminator 4 - yes. I actually loved Terminator 3 though. That chase with the crane was AWESOME, the ending was good, the cemetery scene was cool, etc.

[@my_cousin_mose6063]

I 100% agree with you that T-3 and beyond are all varying degrees of crap. I disagree with your comment because the original and T-2 are based around time travel as well, thats not why the later movies suck.

[@HQofrandom]

Linear time travel always makes sense actually. Which is the type of time travel used in this book (unlike in the cursed Cursed Child). Whatever happened in the past happened and you can't change it, traveling back in time to try to change, for the most part, is what causes the things you're trying to change. Hence past you *always* wants to travel back in time to change things/do what ever. Then time-traveling you tries to change things and realizes the nature of time-travel and does everything they're supposed to before returning to present right after past you left. This closes the loop and always gives past you a reason to time-travel in the first place. Long-ass winded explanation to say that the time-travel in the PoA does make sense logically.

[@captbrownbeard1599]

Actually even T2 doesn't make sense because the T1000 is liquid metal, no actual flesh so it shouldn't be able to survive the process