HARRY Rage Texting & Twitter! Courtiers By Valentine Low

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Shauna x Re-visiting Valentine Low’s book Courtiers was very interesting. I was amazed to seeI missed some small key moments on first reading!
These moments give us a valuable insight into what Prince Harry was really like before he met Meghan Markle.
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[@danielleoliver1734]

She brought out the worst elements in his personality, but they were already there. She didn’t change him, just nurtured all his negative points

[@fayreid6953]

I agree

[@JFra127]

She has no boundries - that was H’s true declaration of love. She made himthink it was ok to step over lines that had previously held him in check.

[@dianadenman5637]

What she did was showed him the way out of his "prison" - the one that was trying to give him structure, purpose and dignity. Now he is "FREE" to be himself in front of cameras all over the world. Wonder what he likes best: anger at the Palace and Monarchy OR utter terror at the hands of his wife?

[@joannaennis7866]

Very loving! Most spouses try to bring out the best in each other!

[@catco8644]

The Firm covered up for Harry, just as they did for Diana! When they both left the Royal fold their true personalities came out and they aren’t pretty! Both were selfish and jealous of others! They liked being seen as the victim! They definitely are the victim of their own actions.

[@wiseoldowl7625]

The terrible, heartless way Harry treated his Grandparents, his brother, his father...publicly...is proof of who he really is. No one can make a normal person do that.

[@silva7493]

I completely agree with you there! I've been saying this since the shocking moment she talked back to Queen Elizabeth on the internet from Canada. When I saw him supporting his wife's ongoing efforts to torture his grandmother, and grandfather by extension, I knew he was equally jas evil as her. No one under any circumstances could ever have persuaded me to do that, not even under threat of my life.

[@TheSmokinducks]

AND HER FAMILY!

[@wiseoldowl7625]

@@silva7493 👍

[@Veronique876]

Yes I’m thinking he has no heart!

[@alisonrobson6478]

So.......have U read " Famous Son Got Very Rough" It's still online

[@etoyeparkman1053]

What happened when he met Meghan is he left the royal fold and no longer had their PR team to cover up his bad behavior….

[@DutchJoan]

It is quite in line with how Harry treated his girlfriends before Meghan. His sulkiness, rage and paranoia. The narcissistic traits were already prominently there. Such a person cannot be great fun to work for/with. And demanding unwavering loyalty over honesty and feedback is bad, very bad.

[@thevintageread]

Yes lots of red flags there!

[@sailingwhitsundays5672]

I credit previous girlfriends for many happy pics, trying to extract the best of him. How easy was it for MM to extract him frm RF, he was putty. Then they decided to inflict the world, the drama is draining to the rest of us. I guess previous girlfriends won & moved onto happiness, he’s still searching.

[@acommentator4452]

i wonder why all the staff seemed to put up with it. did no one say simply and politely, this is my day off, i'll deal with it on monday. and not take more calls.

[@deeshires8721]

That is probably why they broke up with him more so not wanting the Royal life.

[@annatjienilsen539]

​@@acommentator4452 You have to look at how extremely loyal people are to the RF. They all maintain very good couteous relationships with their staff and show their staff respect. Harry was his mother's child with the same personality disorder. He was an anomaly. Fox knew how to handle Harry. If it was not for him, Invictus would never have been

[@lindakirk3739]

Harry never flew helicopters he failed the exam and never got the license. It was the Prince of Wales who did and also went on to fly them as a career taking injured to hospital more quickly than it could be done by road.

[@thevintageread]

Well I’m not saying you are wrong…but it was reported in 2013 that he finally passed and could fly and take full control. (Official announcement)

[@enkisdaughter4795]

True and the now Prince and Princess of Wales lived in North Wales for approximately three years, on Ynys Môn (the Isle of Anglesey), where the Prince was a Search and Rescue pilot with the RAF; this was Prince George’s first home.

[@penedomries6362]

As Shauna pointed out Harry did qualify as an Apache helicopter commander in 2013 after three years of training. However, during his five-month tour in Afghanistan, he served as a co-pilot gunner in the 2-man helicopter.

[@monty4653]

You are correct about Harry. Yes, the papers and journos still claim that he was a trained helicopter pilot which is nothing but propaganda. Does anyone really think that this man with an addiction to drugs and alcohol since he was a teenager would be allowed to fly a £160 million helicopter in a war zone? He was educationally subnormal in intelligence as confirmed by his mother. Her words were that he was as thick as her. The fact that he flew into rages would eliminate him as a helicopter pilot.

[@patshartigan5100]

I think if Harry had qualified as a helicopter pilot he could have taken that into his post military career and put it good use, like William. It would have been the obvious next move for Harry, working in air sea rescue or as a air ambulance pilot, but he did nothing, just left the army and kicked his heals until someone created Invictus for him.

[@user-le6bc3bc9e]

Thé ginger was a jerk all along

[@sunnin1671]

I think Harry always had some mental health issues. I think his family (as they should) were trying to be protective and covered up for him and placed him in favorable positions.

[@Rhonda-df7oo]

And how did protecting him work out for him. Not very well. Should have gotten him into a treatment facility. He’d been a lot better for it. Not as vulnerable & maybe wouldn’t have fallen in with the snake !!!

[@junebyrne4491]

Harry is a litigious paranoid. Look it up on line and you will recognize it. I looked up types of paranoids and nearly fell out of my chair.

[@dawnjohnson5937]

@@Rhonda-df7oo Yes. But a family member's instinct is, usually, to protect one's own. And, to be fair, your absolutely spot-on analysis/ comment is born of hindsight - that infamous (?) amazing teacher. The question is, what to do NOW?!!

[@ginnysutherland2216]

@@Rhonda-df7oohe did have professional treatment. Everyone worked in the background to get him a place in the world for example Invictus. The Invictus idea was put to him to try and give him something positive to get into, perfect for him but not his idea. Unhappy boy unhappy man, sad but true.

[@trudisinclair8817]

🇨🇦...over here after 19 yrs. of age...nobody (especially💔family) can "make" them do anything...they have to ask for "help" by themselves...it's easier access...delightfully more social to turn to a drug dealer then an actual doctor...Your not special Harry...your a global problem that can be seen on any city "BENCH"...

[@janwilliams1781]

I think the family worked very hard to craft a role for the very limited H. He obviously needed that structure. Seriously, I don’t think he could ever live on his own. He doesn’t have supportive friends, he has staff. When he can’t pay them, he loses them. Can you picture him working a regular job? He’d be fired within hours.

[@aliciab4236]

It does make you wonder what goes on at Better Up doesn't it? Oh to be a fly on the wall.

[@MaryB-tx2xq]

@@aliciab4236I think they don’t let him do very much or get too involved in case he upsets people

[@HilaryB.]

​@@aliciab4236I think he's just a figurehead, they'll more than likely drop him when he's no more use!

[@maureenwood8910]

One of my mum's favorite saying was, ' Be grateful for a boring life'. To this day I am grateful that all my joy comes from simple things that could classify as boring!

[@thevintageread]

Well said!

[@wg8859]

So very well said.

[@PollyAmorous]

If things ‘spark joy’, they are in no way boring!

[@himurahaibara1459]

Agreed. No drama and more likely to keep away people who wants to steer drama from entering your life.

[@Seth-gd4mz]

Imagine how bad a reputation Harry would have had had the Palace not constantly cleaned up behind him.

[@thevintageread]

Indeed

[@lbw1325]

How is it possible that signing an NDA allows employers to abuse their staff and violate their terms of their employment?

[@penedomries6362]

Makes you wonder what really happened during the Dog Bowl Incident. Knowing that Harry was involved in the bullying of staff as well as Mehgan, you can understand William's anger. In turn, I imagine that Harry became enraged over William's support of the staff. Harry would have seen it as a betrayal; he would have expected William to support him and Meghan. How did Harry initially respond to William; what did he say and was he the first to get physical? We can only speculate.

[@LynneHancox]

As it was reported Harry was drunk when william went to talk to him, I'd say knowing how Harry always seems to fall over when drunk, that he didn't like what william said and took a swing at william who deflected and Harry went A over T and landed on the deck probably spilling the dogs water.

[@thevintageread]

Yes indeed!

[@kappy-nf6uh]

Most of Harry's stories in his memoir seemed incomplete and at once, you know he's not telling the truth.

[@sahdogwrangler5594]

​@@kappy-nf6uhvery one sided! Lies of omission!

[@wendieking4184]

I know brothers fight. The dog bowl thing is just two brothers having a tiff.

[@johnsanders2266]

CORRECTION! HENRY flew IN Apache Helicopters, NOT flew them! Unlike Prince William who FLEW Sea King SAR Aircraft over the infamous Irish Sea and Prince Andrew who FLEW Sea Kings in their anti submarine role IN THE FROZEN AND ROUGH SEAS OF THE SOUTH ATLANTIC during the Falklands WAR!

[@bluediamond4502]

Thanks Shauna. I think it is pretty clear that hazzy has always been an arrogant prat but it wasn’t so obvious when he had proper guidance in public. They really do deserve each other. 💎🙏💕🐨

[@m5sunflower665]

Thank God Prince George has more than one Godfather !!!! Because angry Harry is useless and not safe near those Royal 😮children

[@m5sunflower665]

Thank you very interesting but we knew both need inpatient care !!! And now they are speaking about parenting ? 😮

[@foofookachoo1136]

@@m5sunflower665????????!!!!!!!!!!!

[@cilajoao1]

I love Jo Brand! There's a lot of truth in jokes. Harry KNOWS it's true. I lived in England a long time ago, and Harry was always excused for being the 'poor younger prince who lost his mommy and has a temper'. Sod off, ginger.

[@thevintageread]

It was a great joke! Straight to the point…yes I agree LOTS of excuses!

[@helenunsworth5100]

I always knew Harry had issues, when partying, before his marriage but I didn’t realise he was obnoxious towards staff and army colleagues. I assumed he condoned Meghan’s shocking tantrums and despicable behaviour towards others because she was the stronger character in the marriage.

[@larhumba4233]

Fascinating book extracts. Thank you. It's why Cressida left him, nothing to do with not wanting to live the life of a Royal, that was a convenient excuse. In many ways, Harry and Meghan have ruined eachother's lives. Though I have sympathy for neither. We've seen photos of Harry in 2012 at the London Olympics when he was 28 sitting beside Catherine with his arms folded, red faced, sulking like a 5 y.o. And Catherine is trying to console him over something....probably jealous of Zara winning a silver medal. No, Palace Staff, the RF and ELF covered up the real Harry. We saw the good, jokey side of him, until Meghan cam along, then he had the confidence to believe they could leave and rule the world and the RF would become irrelevant. He obviously wanted to control the narrative even then, as Jo Brand was right, he was taking Cocaine! No wonder William grew apart from him with a wife and child and responsibilities. They weren't teenagers anymore but grown men, though Harry never grew up.

[@thevintageread]

Yes I think that is spot on!

[@christineduffy3113]

It was why Chelsey left him too although he says he finished with her due to Press intrusion etc rubbish I am Scottish and never saw much about him or Chelsey in the Press anymore than any other Royal he is pathological liar anyway a decent woman would see through him and go lucky escape and he was left with the choice of a Gold Digger who he married of his own free will

[@dianad1968]

He wanted to destroy his grandmother's legacy...that to me is unforgivable...all because he is jealous of his brother. The man has no redeeming qualities.

[@sarahhayse-gregson689]

@@christineduffy3113 what made me spit out my morning coffee was when he said that if it wasn't for the British press, he and Chelsy would still be together. I bet that went well with The Wife, 🤣

[@bettysmith9466]

Harry called the Monarchy a cult and he was glad to be free of it. Harry has left his duties and is OUT from behind the walls of the palace but he's still miserable and still complaining.

[@GeorginaDent-Jefferies]

Still making money out of his family and titles really do you think she actually wanted him or was it a career move ? 🧐

[@barbaraperkins3747]

So Harry’s bad press had nothing to do with William’s image, it was simply the palace losing at wack-a-mole as all of Harry’s bad press overwhelmed them-all of Harry’s own doing! The palace could only call in so many favors, meaning what made the press was the mildest of his entitled antics. What a piece of work!

[@Kari_B61ex]

Harry doesn't like when his true personality & traits are found out. He often acted/acts like a petulant spoilt child.

[@lisaforeman6312]

@Kari_B61ex That is why I think he's found some others w/money to join up buying newspapers. Anything and everything to hide the (in his mind) bad publicity for both of them. Many of us out here in computer land...well "we" just call that trying to hide the truth. The two of them do seems to excel at misinformation and redirect. IMO

[@ilmaba1756]

Makes one realise how much the Palace was covering for him.

[@thevintageread]

Indeed!

[@grazynakawka8585]

While providing therapy for him, I believe...

[@sahdogwrangler5594]

Interesting! That reminds me of the meeting Harry describes in his book where his brother yells at him & he says Granny didn't say a word. She did not take his side & that enraged him! When no one took MM's side, I think he was the same way. He gives himself away over & over in his book. He was very angry that Angela Kelly didn't just break all the rules for his wife to hand over the tiara & seemed full of rage because she had the nerve to be angry at them!! I know someone like that! Always the victim of injustice & if I'm not 100% on their side, I'm accused of not supporting them. Since I often can't condone their bad behavior, I'm ostracized. It's exhausting. I feel bad for the staff.

[@thevintageread]

Very exhausting. When you don’t condone their bad behaviour you are holding onto your integrity though so… feel proud! 😉💗

[@thevocalcrone]

working for hazza as a crack head would have been hell on earth. the happy days would have been the days he was using and the angry days (day 3) would be the scary ones. it also explains why he was so paranoid. the phonecalls (I always thought this in regard to him calling the queen) where they are relentless and every ten minutes - is symptomatic of a personality disorder. I do suspect both Haz and and MM are two peas in the pod - neither accept responsibility for their behaviour and both are egocentric. Great podcast thankyou)

[@thevintageread]

Thanks, interesting insight.

[@dawnjohnson5937]

As well as the NDAs, I wonder what H & M's staff's contracts laid out: surely calling staff OUTSIDE WORKING HOURS was not part of the deal, and therefore a BREACH OF CONTRACT???

[@LG-nb5ur]

True, but I had heard that it was the priviledge of having worked for the RF on their resume was far more important to someone than the salary (which was not ott from what Ive heard) or the timeframe of tenure, and plenty of people put up with bad bosses for a little while for the benefit of the experience. Also the bullying was reported, but was obviously not acted on until they were on tour in Australia and then further after megxit just before the Oprah debacle.

[@BarbaraHardacre]

I remember you saying not so long ago about Diana all ways keeping Paul Burrell for hrs just while she eating and calling him when at home with his family. So like mother like son. Their attitude towards staff. Was prince Charles like this in his younger days. I hope and pray that William and Katherine don't behave like this.

[@Joyof...]

H never flew helicopters. He couldn't pass the test.

[@thevintageread]

In his 2nd Tour of Afghanistan he flew.

[@eleanormilbank]

Think he flew over the cuckoo’s nest instead. Lol

[@anastesia3127]

😩 And they both claim to be compassionate, kind and well "into" people's mental health well being 😲😩🚫

[@hazelholmshaw9415]

Why should he be allowed to fly them if he could not pass the test.

[@katiehill619]

I really enjoyed Valentine Low's book - and I think it really helps us understand the operations of the royal households. This past few years has really shown how much great work was done by the palace staff to manage Harry's public image over the years, and how much work the family did to temper and balance Harry's temperament. He's clearly one of those folks (and sadly I've known a few), who jump on the most negative interpretation of every situation, take offense where none is intended and generally just go through life convinced they are being singled out for bad treatment and aren't getting the respect and adulation they deserve. Exhausting personality. Love the deep dive into this stuff.

[@thevintageread]

Yes! I’ve known a few too! 😂

[@barbraluce5706]

Many of us have encountered the uber-entitled by family wealth and/or position. They create little skirmishes and fights, they tilt at windmills, they offend easily. Your work is top shelf, Shauna.

[@nicoletteralfe733]

Yes, these people are exhausting. I’ve also known a few. I’m so grateful Harry was the 2nd born

[@kirstenanderson1435]

Poor Prince William being saddled with this nightmare his whole life. He must be so glad to be rid of Harold.

[@Alexandra-jj2qh]

@@kirstenanderson1435 Well, yes and no. As a close sibling, and having many good times together as well as bad ones, very, very painful, heart-wrenching and full of anguish to finally and completely let the relation go.

[@sammemrys8195]

The fact that Buckingham Palace curated Harry's image so well is a testament to their talent, and to their loyalty to Her Majesty and the Royal Family. They should all be given appropriate honours.

[@jeangodding6348]

I have always maintained we are seeing the real Harry … Megan let the genie out of the bottle that the rf had been protecting , & covering . I recall piers Morgan saying that Megan copied Harry’s lead on dealing with staff .

[@carolinaochoa7900]

I agree that H was already spoiled before M, but I think she made it worse. He loves to say that he found the perfect woman, better than everyone else’s, but deep down his behavior proves that he knows he chose the wrong woman.

[@dawnjohnson5937]

No!!! I think he is correct: he DID find the perfect woman FOR HIM! A woman who supports and encourages all his toxic behaviour!!!!

[@cindyknudson2715]

No woman can _fix_ his "issues"

[@chrisgodfrey2742]

It seems H has always been erratic. With drugs added he has become highly unstable, but few seem to have joined the dots through the exceptional work the Palace staff did in coverups. William (and Catherine) knew his frailties for decades and loved him and helped himself, only to be knifed in the throats.

[@cherylanne4390]

Wow! If Harry thought he was getting 'bad press' way back before Meghan, what on earth must he think now? Imagine reading the 'effing grifters story from the famous podcaster Bill Simmons, Candace Owen, Megyn Kelly etc. etc. They have brought it on themselves. Remember that old chestnut "Never complain, never explain"? It's the good advice that you just didn't take, as the song goes isn't it Harry?

[@Tuppence1]

Headline: most influential Public Figure in America is Prince William. Get the lay of the land in my country Mr. Van Snortsem!!!!! USA for Prince William.

[@thevintageread]

Yes I bet it feels like vital advice now!

[@smileyzed3843]

Would’ve loved to have been a fly on the wall to have seen them hear the grifters comment for the first time 😂

[@Shellytrifle.]

Also in spare he lies to his police officer guard "i never did drugs angrily "then in the next paragraph says of course i was doing drugs.😅

[@thevintageread]

Yes I made a video about that! 😂💕

[@Shellytrifle.]

I know that's probably why I know it ,😎

[@judithhall6683]

If someone is cruel to animals then they are the same to people.

[@voices_vary]

Excellent points. Drives home Tina Brown's quick assessment: "Harry was a very troubled person."

[@thevintageread]

It does rather!

[@wendieking4184]

Harry’s mother included him in too much of the turmoil of her life. Harry shouldn’t know the term ‘the men in grey suits. Harry wasn’t able to accept his mothers passing, a thing that exists in a fixed point of time, and can’t be changed. It’s terrible that he lost his mother, but he hasn’t matured a single day since. Prince William managed to rebuild his life without the self pity, Harry wasn’t capable of it.

[@cathy3546]

Don't forget that Diana, Princess of Wales had paranoia issues. Also, she told Harry "You can do whatever you want to do, just don't get caught".

[@MissGelly]

Wouldn’t it be grand if one of those ex employees produced a load of evidence showing how vile they were to staff and then accepting they were going to be sued by the gruesome twosome - maybe if one of them wins the lottery and can pay the legal fees-😅 I bet there are so many stories that ex staff are grinding about every time the two appear!

[@thevintageread]

Yes it would be great to hear a first hand account!

[@kappy-nf6uh]

NDAs should never be used to silence a victim. Its original intent was to protect trade secrets and business confidentiality but now it's becoming so widely abused.

[@Wildflowers516]

I’m disgusted the duo State their returning to NYC next week . Imagine their going to discuss mental health with parents n cyber bullying!!! I’ve called in my concerns to Mayor Adams 212-NEW-YORK if outside NYC dial 311 if in NYC ! Harry needs to be deported!!!! ☮️💟🇺🇸

[@marcywatkins5878]

I emailed the mayor myself too. Especially costing money to the taxpayers for their stunt last time. I can't believe she's cut the gall to go back. Hope they boo her off this planet

[@thevintageread]

Yes poor NY!

[@jasminebean5762]

As a Brit, while I understand your point of view, we really don't want them back in the UK.

[@Wildflowers516]

@@jasminebean5762 I’m sure you wouldn’t ! Don’t blame you one bit😊

[@Rando15]

Like you, I missed that detail on my first reading. I usually read books twice anyway, because it's very hard to absorb everything the first time around. It struck me that he was always combative, petty, and a nasty person to be around. Meghan only gave him fuel to be public about his perceived woes, but they were always there.

[@thevintageread]

Exactly!

[@judiemarshall9708]

Even when he was a child... kicking William, acting like a brat...he was out of control...and it seems to have continued into "adulthood". It would seem that he and M really do deserve each other.

[@user-em8wj7zu3m]

I suspect Harry is a borderline personality disorder person….all the signs are there, and it is getting worse. I know, as my adult child has it too.

[@thevintageread]

💕

[@EspressoBaby]

As most critical thinkers suspected, the traitor has always been an absolute monster - and the palace did a brilliant job at selling us the 'cheeky chappy prince.' I've been a strong monarchist for decades, and I feel completely betrayed by the BRF. They knew full well what they were unleashing on the rest of us, then pumped and primed with his jezebel - which they also knew about. The king has his own self-serving agenda while he ignores the frustrated cries of the people. Absolutely reprehensible.

[@milliewood3817]

H & M are bullies imo. I dont understand why the queen allowed this situation to continue for years!!

[@heatherhensley9183]

My heart breaks for their staff Abusive behavior towards them 😢

[@evelynpaterson2823]

I agree, in his own book, his comments and his behaviour at Eton, definitely pre Meghan, by his own admission are appalling

[@BuntyMcB]

I would give all the palace staff a medal for the amazing job they did for years protecting him from his own worst instincts. Even his mother said he was difficult and took him to see a therapist. I’m pleased the RF and staff don’t have to put up with him each day and they’re used to ignoring the media chatter so it must be a much more pleasant environment to be in.

[@cherylwright9408]

He thought he would get what he wanted and the R.F. would beg him to come back. I think they hope he doesn't come back .R.F. has been under blackmail. ..... or is that racist to say anymore? ??

[@praxisfurnaturheilkunde5394]

Lafdy Colin Campbell schreibt, das Harry das nettere Kind war und William das unangenehme (“basher“). Ich frage mich, wie William hinter verschlossenen Türen ist. Es gibt da Gerüchte...

[@ladytamaya4737]

I am a Twitter fan and often offer my "humble opinion" on ex royal matters ... Harry is monitoring us all, just as well to repeatedly hear the real truth !! 🤨

[@lynnewilliams6662]

The truth hurts that’s why Harry always reacted.❤️❤️❤️🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@LG-nb5ur]

Yes, he probably always felt that he should be above reproach, being a royal.

[@mariekeany1026]

One can imagine the staff plus family must have been relieved when they left, before realising later there was no escape

[@annmolloy8600]

Looks like he got all the worst traits of both parents.

[@leono7380]

He was a great target for Meghan.

[@deva5488]

Diana did hurt her sons by treating William as a grown up and convincing Harry, he was just as important as William. Harry's bad behavior has always been there. His mother gave him permission. Sad. Love from California. ❤❤❤

[@aliciab4236]

Diana did seem to enable Harry. I think HMTQ did as well. It's no wonder adult Harry appears to be quite entitled.

[@Tuppence1]

Diana was not a good parent

[@Veronique428]

It baffles me to see women blaming Diana for everything that goes wrong with Harry, although she was in his life for twelve years, and for more than twenty years since she died, nobody is blaming Charles for the wrongdoing of Harry, nobody is saying how bad parent Charles was to let both of his sons wearing nazi costume and covering William while putting Harry under the bus; then putting more fuel to Harry vindictive and entitled enraged against William. Harry was always been Charles darling boy, Diana might wanted to raise her sons equally, and to see royal seniors treating William and Harry fairly (as they should), but Charles played the biggest part to raising of Harry, not Diana! Women like you should be received all the blame for the behavior, mistakes and wrongdoing of your adult children, then you will know how it feels, when random people blame you for all the bad things your kids have done!

[@dawnjohnson5937]

@@Veronique428 Prince William did NOT wear a nazi uniform.

[@cindyknudson2715]

As a human being, he IS just as important. It's not wrong to instill such a belief in a person. Of course, also being sure to include that, as a human being, _each_ person is important. Something that, it seems, their mother, as she matured, sought to instill in each of her sons through her own example in her work. The catch can be that each person is not born a blank slate. Each of us processes the world through our own prism of personality traits. William and Harry have different basic personalities. And, also, their mother wasn't the only influence in their lives.

[@pattipride9731]

I think after 5 yrs of studying Harry & Megan they make me sick. The persons that really make me mad are King Charles & Thomas Markle Sr. What a couple of push overs! The daddy's who couldnt say no😭

[@cherfromtn8225]

I know this is an unpopular opinion, but the one I really wonder about is the late Queen. I know she was quite accomplished, so I don't mean to discredit her, but Harry being put in as a working royal was done on HER watch. Now Charles has to deal with it, and William after him. The way your titles are structured, once given, they can't be easily taken away. I have heard someone claim that the late Queen envisioned Harry as providing support for William. Seriously? Surely Harry's emotional and mental problems were well-known to the Queen and the Palace. Why didn't they find a nice ranch somewhere that Harry could have "managed" (complete with horses and ATVs)? He could have had a small charity providing gentle horses for disabled children to ride, and still been out of the public eye. No working royal role. No giving him a platform that only made him a target for someone looking to use that royal "shine." The Queen was highly thought of after years of service. SHE had the clout to put her foot down way back when, and she didn't. If Harry had been clearly sidelined, Meghan might not have given him a second glance. IMO.

[@jackiegould1569]

Lovely listen - thank you. It was well known in the UK that Harry wasnt the boy or man they made him out to be. Many things were done for him to try and improve his image and we largely ignored his faults the way we did his mothers. He was never likely to ascend to the throne so what did it matter. When people say He isnt the man he was before Meghan - well yes He is exactly the man he was before Meghan but now its not covered up by the palace so its out there for the world to see. Thats why I have often said that even though I dont like Meghan I do feel like she must have it rough being married to him!

[@thevintageread]

I agree! Not a great catch!

[@Rhonda-df7oo]

Agree he’s always been like this & now is in the open but disagree about last part. Must be hell living with a malignant narcissist that nothing is ever good enough for. You can see his misery on his face. Going to end in heartbreak for him & possibly tragedy.

[@jackiegould1569]

I think its probably hell for the pair of them. I agree He looks miserable but that could be partly because He isnt getting his own way! He didnt like being second to William but at least he was feted when he went about the royal duties. Now he is second to meghan but not getting the royal treatment. Im just glad Im not them! It really is true it is better to be broke and happy!@@Rhonda-df7oo

[@patriciakeys4873]

If only I were a fly on the wall. I'm quite certain that those fights are epic.

[@goldcoastlady5377]

Ha, ha, ha! Yes, They, really are made for each other. Perfectly deserving even!

[@juliettelynne5861]

It’s my belief that Harry’s rage and anger began as a child when he realized his brother would be King and not him. He’s carried that chip obsessively; Meghan has merely reinforced it.

[@beatles7238]

This just shows us how great palace did in covering up his really bad behaviour & blaming the press or the palace if he got busted doing something stupid or if he broke up with his girlfriend. I just can't believe how jealous he is of William and his beautiful family, to think that Williams children would turn out like him, bitter, spiteful, unhinged & more. Thank you God for Prince William being the Heir & not the spare. 🙏💙💞

[@cindyhoffman5547]

Harry was not a helicopter pilot. He couldn't pass the academic rigor. He was a gunner.

[@thevintageread]

Yet it is on the record he finally passed in 2013 and the BBC interviewed his commanding officer. Not arguing though as I thought the same as you… but it is in the book for 2013 and it was easy to confirm.

[@heidimeigs5192]

My belief is that he was born with this disposition. Look at photos when he was just a tot…he was often sullen then. He absorbed his mother’s attitudes early on. He often looked blank in photos when William was laughing…..William was always engaged and curious even when small. I always thought there was something wrong with H developmentally.

[@helenadavies5674]

Yes...💯...he CANNOT be as enraged and dangerously irrational as he is, despite drug taking, alcohol, and his w...he would have HAD to be born with those problems.imo.

[@carolineyoungs5878]

Even when Harry was under 5 he was known to be spiteful to his brother, the signs were always there. His denial of Charles being a good father, when there is so much pictorial evidence of how loving his father was. Show me the child, and I'll show you the man.

[@kymdagnall8344]

You can distract a child's bad behaviour and show them acceptable ways. Unfortunately for Harry, he was given no such boundaries, so he never saw a need for them. The old saying spare the rod spoil the child. Not physical punishment, but allowing him to continue to treat people with no respect shows how protected he was

[@partlycloudy3519]

If I was William I would Insist on that bullying report is released . The late Queen is dead and she no longer can be upset at the release of the report .

[@darcymccattipus908]

Always said they're a well matched couple. Both toxic, he's just as a big a bully as her. Can't understand why the staff tolerated their behaviour nda's or not.

[@Loobylooto2]

I do hope we are going to hear a boo in nyc on the 10 th 🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@dawnjohnson5937]

HOPE SO!!!!

[@sciencewins8798]

They will defintely try to hire some crowds to cheer . On some channel I heard that they wrote invitations to schools saying that the students shall turn up infront of the building and they will answer their questions and speak with them. 😡

[@Loobylooto2]

@@sciencewins8798 😳😳🤦🏼‍♀️🙄

[@carmelcritchley3037]

Another excellent dissection Shauna. 👏👏

[@thevintageread]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@blueberry3168]

Harry’s problem started with his jealousy of his brother. Sibling jealousy - competing with Wills for their mother’s attention. So sad.

[@dawnjohnson5937]

WOW!!! So, they really are made for each other!!!

[@thevintageread]

True! 😊💕

[@judybertagna4527]

The palace was so wrong wrong wrong to cover up Harry and Megan’s bad behavior toward their staff.

[@cindyknudson2715]

What should they have done instead?

[@gailmartin3731]

I believe I read or heard that Harry used to be out of control at times even as a small child when his father and mother were still married. I wonder if he ever received any treatment at that time. He needs/needed some serious help as an adult. These things just do not rear their head as an adult with no forewarning from childhood.

[@cyndicarter8075]

Harry and Meghan biggest problem is that they did not anything negative about them even though it maybe true. As an example, Harry getting mad at the British press for reporting about him using certain substances when he then admitted that he was indeed using substances. They both just want control to excuse their behavior! They are like little toddlers having temper tantrums for not getting their way

[@dawnjohnson5937]

Literally like tired toddlers who don't even know why they are angry 😅!!

[@lornaackerman7022]

I know I’m late to the party, but I really enjoyed watching this. Thank you Shauna for bringing this up, I’m going to have to go back and read this book again. I have to admit I read during a stressful time and probably missed a lot of things. H has always been a difficult person as has M, the two of them together compound both of their issues, I feel so much empathy for the people who had to deal with them.

[@thevintageread]

Yes it is worth a re-read! 😊

[@acommentator4452]

a folly a deux

[@qhluvr77]

@@thevintageread I must go back and re read as well, I’m sure you pick up on different things each time.

[@christinestudley3982]

This was the 1st time I have seen you, excellent job! I’m American and don’t know a lot of how the RF works, but they sure did a great job with PR on Harry, I have a sister with mental illness who won’t take her meds cause she said they would make her fat. My heart goes out to William, the stress of having a sibling that needs help will stay with him forever .

[@thevintageread]

I think you have given us some further insight…thank you 😊💗

[@trudisinclair8817]

Thank you...from family caretakers 🌐🕊🌹🕯

[@jeannelipham2583]

Harry in a Nazi "costume" told me all I needed to know.

[@sueforte4947]

Agree. Both unable to control rage . Spoilt from babies . And Both fathers have the same traits. I M O.

[@janetgreen4642]

Markle, in my opinion, was the willing enabler and channeller of the anger, frustrations and jealousy he had. Reports we had read over the years and, the fights, drunkenness and drug taking, showed the depth to which these ran and, it is now obvious that both his family and the palace PR worked overtime to limit and conceal his true personality. In between the cheery smiles and handshakes, there was a slight menace about Harry. From the cruelty to polo horses, that has been documented, to the edge on some of the comments about William that, just left that doubt in the mind as to his true feelings regarding his brother. Followed by some of the more recent personal comments about individuals in his circle, highlights that loyalty and regard are of no consequence to him. He certainly seemed a person that could ‘fester’ on his perceived ‘problems’. Diana seemed to have that tendency to wallow and, also liked to stir the proverbial, as she allegedly did with her supposed friend Fergie. Like her son, there was no great depth of intelligence, but the capacity for malice and malevolence ran deep, in my opinion. For all that is now being said, I believe Harry to be as vile and repulsive as his wife, but the treachery, lies, ingratitude, self entitlement and betrayal are unforgivable and, he has these in abundance, exploited by her. I also feel, despite his protestations to the contrary, that his military commitment wasn’t what it is made out to be. It seems, at Sandhurst, he was perfectly prepared to accept the place, despite not having the necessary wherewithal for entry; he also, apparently had rules relaxed, when random drug testing was undertaken; and, was unavailable; all hitherto reported. Not the actions of a dedicated military careerist to flout such all important rules. Much is made of his tours of duty, but obviously, this was positive PR that was much needed, but we now know that his involvement was not what we were led to believe and, he was prepared to put the lives of those keeping him secure in jeopardy, to burnish his halo and keep the committed, patriotic Harry image uppermost. Along with the helicopter pilot story, which is still shrouded. To then cancel a long standing engagement to honour fallen Marines, when his, allegedly revered grandfather had retired and personally entrusted him with the rank of Hon. Capt. Gen., to accompany her to a Disney premiere, was the tin hat on it for me and, could in no way be excused or condoned. He is a disagreeable, duplicitous person, who has found someone equally so, but she is also able to construct the most elaborate lies and scenarios to perpetuate his deep seated, distorted and dangerous beliefs of victimhood, that continue to benefit them both. Another brilliant video.

[@gwendolineknox784]

Very well written piece of analysis to add to the well researched video.

[@helenanderson-smith5605]

Spot on and very well said.

[@Rocdag]

Brilliant yourself! Such a well phrased and carefully worded synopsis! Well done, janetgreen4642

[@mycatsnameiskaren8253]

This was excellent!!!! Thank you!

[@wendystavinoha5618]

Hello, my loves, I can't stay because I have to walk my dog, who has no sense of humor about being put off. I will watch in its entirety when I get back. BUT...I have felt for some time that both Meghan and Harry are seriously mentally ill. And we are being dragged down with them, because they won't go away! Love you, Shauna.

[@TardyGater73]

Hearing that both of them have no boundaries, or fliters doesn't surprise me in the least. I think both are personality disordered. It's troubling that two people, with obvious problems, should be advising others about their mental health.

[@louesparza8003]

Exactly!

[@mariefortier2991]

The joke was probably too close to home !

[@thevintageread]

Probably!

[@fionasaunders7646]

Bunker Harry, was not a pilot, he was a gunner.

[@2000konnie]

I knew that Harry was a troubled boy-man in spite of his hail fellow well met persona. That was why I was hopeful when he was engaged to Meghan that she would put him on the right path. Little did I know at the time what an awful person she was. I wish the people under the NDAs could be released. Thank you for another deep dive, Shauna. Sometime I think it would be fun to hear you talk about the books you display. I see you love music, and I enjoy reading books about and by musicians. Just a thought.

[@thevintageread]

Great idea

[@dawnjohnson5937]

YEEEEEEES! Brilliant idea 👏👏👏👏!

[@annenield8125]

Wow. Fascinating. It explains a lot. Sad that Harry was seemingly never taught about limits and respecting others.

[@SugarWildflower-si4ox]

Andrew had entitled bully behavior problems unchecked too. It came to a head in a bad way for him. Harry is getting some spotlight now on his very disrespectful unhinged behavior..both are not working royals..money cut off..no longer in high ranking military positions or connections. These two grown men born with silver spoons have more excuses ..never admitting any faults of their own.

[@martharamirezdelacruz5106]

I think that if someone is not a drug addict, they would laugh at the joke, but if they are drug users then the joke is too close to the truth. It would hit a nerve and they would get angry.

[@thevintageread]

Yes I agree

[@grasshopper1451]

This isn't the first time I've heard that Harry had issues long before Meghan entered the picture. I do remember reading something about Diana seeking professional help for Harry. It didn't say what he'd done but apparently whatever he did do was egregious enough for his mother try to get him help. We've all seen the video of Diana greeting her son's coming off the royal yacht. She hugged William first and the moment she reached for Harry he kicked William so hard I felt it. All that to say, did Charles bother to do anything to get his son the help that he needed after Diana died? Something might have been able to help him. It's too late now! If you haven't been sorted out by 40 this is who you'll be.

[@Meems56]

These two are certifiable! This may be a reach but there are people out there that on their own wouldn’t escalate bad behavior but when joined with someone else with similar issues can do horrible things! I may have written that poorly but you get the drift? Thanks Shauna!

[@hellpoint7534]

Folie a deux

[@lisaforeman6312]

@Meems56 I think a perfect correlation between the two would be similar to the Clutter Family murder. Perry Smith and Richard Hickock is what popped into my mind listening. Sick isn't it? That that was the match I came up with right away.

[@Meems56]

@@lisaforeman6312 its scary to think of how many horrible crimes have been committed by two. Not saying that the Harkels are in that league but you can kill someone’s reputation just as easily! Have a fab Sunday!

[@sheilathompson1026]

Turns out Harry never actually flew Apache Helicopters. He couldn’t cut the mustard

[@desiree32129]

He was already paranoid and unstable, unsuitable to be in the military. Trauma plus substances is a recipe for disaster. M just came along and knew how to take advantage of it because she had such similar problems herself.

[@SueSA2009]

Harry is a great student and product of his mother's teaching and install vindictive personality in him. What she did made it ok for him to follow in her foot steps. Such a shame, so many people have to suffer, just because of those entitled individuals.

[@user-tt3jb2do8m]

It's shocking behaviour, but sadly not surprising, considering what we know since. Some of us of a certain age, knew he had issues, falling out of clubs, fighting with photographer's, the questionable party outfit, racists remarks to his only south asian army colleague, etc. He just met his perfect match in Meghan. No wander Chelsey Davey, and Cressida Bonas ran for the hills.

[@helenan7368]

In case of misconduct of one of the parts, as harassment is, with proof - the messages, all NDAs should be considered null by law. He's a bully, and as all bullies, he has high levels of entitlement and insecurity at the same time. If coming from him is only a joke, if coming from others is outrageous and a personal attack. Shame on RF for covering him up for so many years, now they get the cost of it.

[@malgorzatachrobak9676]

Harry's usecurity, short temper, and child like behavior hurts everyone around him. This man needs real therapy.

[@susie2366]

This information makes me very sad for their children. Imagine growing up in a family atmosphere of paranoia, frustration, and clashing professional goals… it can’t be easy for them. Add to that their isolation and the lost opportunities to have the benefit of the protections and rich experiences that Harry grew up with and the loving support that Meghan had from her father. This isn’t just about the adults involved in this situation anymore.

[@larafields3106]

You covered details that other reviewers did not. I appreciate your thoughtful analysis.

[@thevintageread]

Thanks (that’s the aim 😉)

[@jenwratt9976]

Absolutely horrific! To treat anyone with such disrespect is appalling. Harry is a spoilt brat and so is Meghan. I'm amazed that the staff didn't have nervous breakdowns. I feel for their current staff!

[@thevintageread]

I feel for their current staff too!

[@gloriathompson4010]

He was said to have an aggressive streak even at school

[@renekirebornrenekireborn4777]

This was a really great reminder of what was actually said. Thank you Shauna!

[@thevintageread]

You're so welcome!

[@jessicaalbright7429]

I think NDA’s should be illegal, the world over.

[@pjbax]

Wow! I am not a physiologist, but as a layman, I can certainly THINK of a few labels I could attach to the then and NOW Harry. . Shauna, I totally missed the joke….”Harry Van Snortten!!! “😂

[@thevintageread]

How did we miss it! 😂

[@cindyhoffman5547]

I think all the staffers were given a generous severance package and a big payoff to stay quiet. I hope one of them actually writes a book under a pseudonym and spills the beans. If King Charles pursues legal action against the staffer then he will be shown to support his drug addled, emotionally arrested, abusive son instead of women and men who suffered essentially domestic violence.

[@katrinakarena]

My initial thoughts right now are that the palace staff did too much work covering up for pre-Meghan-Harry because the public was sold a bill of goods when, really, he was, and still is, a spoilt, underdeveloped maladjusted prince. Second, the remaining staff that didn’t get sacked or quit from the stress and abuse, along with William and Catherine, must be breathing sighs of relief that they don’t have to suffer dealing with and covering up Harry’s issues and poor decisions any longer. Thankfully the time of William and Catherine being publicly trod on was brief enough that they can now get on with there endeavors minus the energy drain of damage control and propping up the spoilt man child Haz.

[@Shellytrifle.]

One more of Harry's faults is he has no sense of humour 😂l

[@jaygatsby2790]

Narcissists have no sense of humor. They do like to laugh at others' misfortune, discomfort, embarrassment--especially if they're the ones who caused it. And then they mask their cruelty with "Oh come on, it's only a joke! Can't you take a joke?!"

[@thevintageread]

😂👏

[@karinmccarthyeliz]

Thank you for this episode. I really hope that the nda’s get dropped and people start singing!

[@maureenball6733]

N DAs are disgusting weapons in the hands of an employer at times like these.

[@delilahsalas891]

That is why the Royal Family let him go!! They had enough of his behavior and temperament!!

[@cbtink2]

Shauna I wish I had a reference for you, it could be from Valentine Low himself, but I'm not sure- an author shared in an interview that Harry used to send emails, texts & voice mails (as well as speak this way directly) to his father's staff full of expletives and derision. These would have been the people that his mother called "the men in Grey suits." And it seems to me that a part of this behavior came from the way he believes his mother felt about those people, not just the press. Great read today!💕

[@thevintageread]

Fascinating!