Ponzi Scheme Victims Unleash on Pharmacist Natalie Cochran at Sentencing Hearing

[@catherinearmstrong388]

Cheats thats steal retirement savings from their own family and friends deserve longer than a 12 year sentence. So I am biased. I vote guilty.

[@BobTheSchipperke]

I am glad victim impact statements are allowed. It's important for victims to be heard, and not told their reaction is wrong.

[@hellokitty-nl]

Working as a pharmacist to pay back the victims??? Who in the world would employ her ??? 😂

[@Deethehiddengem]

If I’m not mistaken she wasn’t working at the time. Only doing the Ponzi scheme.

[@MsSista77]

Cross examination of the rebuttal witness was wild! The defense attorney wasn't helping his client at all. He was digging the grave deeper and deeper for her. Meanwhile the prosecution was just sitting back quietly and letting it all play out. Haha! Respect to the witness for staying so calm and collected. The defense attorney almost had a meltdown!

[@nh4294]

I totally disagree!! He made a great case for his client!!! He indicated Michael had total and full aspects of his company and wrote checks and made decisions I regards to the business that doesn’t mean that Natalie killed him and the prosecution didn’t prove it!! The amazing defense attorney hurting your feeling because he’s to direct… get over it!!! The states got nothing

[@ilovegodzilla]

“Michael wanted the Louis Vuitton purses.” 😂😂

[@MarshaWillis-g3y]

How does she sleep at night?? She is a sociopath with no conscience

[@VioletJoy]

🎯

[@Creative-Chaos]

First-degree murder. She belongs in prison for life.

[@MCP920]

I agree.

[@MISSjessicaNB1]

We love LLLL ( Lawyer Lee Lunchtime Lives) !!

[@jenniferrigby9801]

Guilty of first degree murder. Listened just now to closings! Lock her up

[@dmudford]

Agree!!! The prosecution presented a great closing argument.

[@nh4294]

You’re a fool!!! The states specially indicated he was part of the business and how he passed was inconclusive! By three medical examiners!!! She didn’t do it

[@decomom]

I already thought she was guilty but these victim impact statements put the nails in the coffin. Natalie is evil. I feel badly for her children.

[@lilal3753]

She's so guilty.

[@gabrielebianchi161]

NO SHE IS NOT.

[@SouthTX511]

I hope the jury thinks so‼️

[@judybranaugh7092]

Thank you for your continued coverage of this case.

[@kenolive921]

My neighbour was monetarily victimized by one of his students in an investment scam. He described the experience as “It was a keen betrayal “.

[@FogelsChannel]

Kenolive likes the adjective 'keen' to emphasize a betrayal. 🤔

[@nh4294]

You indicated “HE”

[@priscillaulland1263]

Love this lunch time live!!!! Thank you Lawyer Lee.

[@Tennisgirl101]

on rewatch crew now tysm wow! of course smashed LIKE really appreciate you!

[@snarky6185]

If you continue with the victims impact statements from her federal sentencing, I'd like to hear those from her siblings.

[@Creative-Chaos]

I know I’m so biased, but she is guilty, Guilty, Guilty.

[@ColorMeShell]

GUILTY AF listened back in x1.5 speed 😂

[@VioletJoy]

I almost always listen in 1.5 speed. It's SO helpful.

[@kaylynroth8847]

She is guilty and evil .she stole 50,000.00 from her own sister

[@Always_Thinking]

I would be more angry if a family member stole from me than if it was a friend!

[@virginia9620]

@@Always_Thinking If my sister took my money and spent it on herself, I would be totally pissed. Would forgive her and never deal with her again. That parents losses bother me the most.. they had zero ability to work to re earn the cash lost. That would make me livid at my sister.

[@DovieRuthAuthor]

The impact statement by the banker was spot on. I also worked as a teller during college. The last thing an employee wants to do is lose money for their bank.

[@pennyallen7286]

Thank you for bringing this case for us , definitely appreciate it

[@maureenbrophy7852]

Not watching trial Just following you Lee Thank you☘️

[@kyraburnett8696]

I love your lunchtime lives❤️❤️

[@lyzette102]

Less messy than Alec Murdaugh but this woman’s cruelty is above and beyond. She has no remorse

[@SouthTX511]

She’s not wired right!

[@Peony1307]

Although I find it extremely difficult to believe Michael didn't know what was going on, I believe she did contribute to his death. I'm glad I'm not on this jury.

[@SouthTX511]

If I were on this jury, I’d have no problem voting for GUILTY

[@virginiasoares826]

After hearing the rebuttal witness, I think he really didn't know about it, as hard as it is to believe. And I have a strong suspicion she killed him, but I don't feel that there is enough evidence to convict.

[@alidadebruyn36]

I guess you did not watch the trial to the end. The feds have confirmed NOTHING tied him to know ANYTHING about what she was up to. Hence she ended his life because he was closing in on her, wanting to go to the bank to find out why they were stalling the money

[@Always_Thinking]

Narcissists will steal from loved ones, flaunt it & never feel remorse or sympathy for the victims even after going to jail!

[@TheEkocher]

After today’s witness, I don’t know how they don’t come back with guilty!

[@delia5158]

Pharmacists are considered public health stakeholders. She used her status as a pharmacist to fleece people, which demands the maximum punishment. Also, as a pharmacist, she had a higher medical duty to render care to her unconscious husband. Did the prosecutor underline this fact?

[@lindawells8167]

You read my mind. I'm just going to research whether pharmacists take the Hippocratic Oath.

[@nh4294]

She was a pharmacist!!! But she told her husband to stop with the steroids and stop with the extra supplements he was taking and yet you can’t not prove she injected him with a thing…there’s no text messages from Michael indicating ohh I think my wife’s been giving me something and I feel like she’s poising me and if anything happens to me it’s my wife!!! Never happened never indicated she didn’t do it

[@nh4294]

Just because the police say ohhhh well after she pissed some people off from taking their money financially doesn’t mean she’s a murder it’s absurd

[@rosedavis333]

Thank you for the update

[@catherinewhooley3003]

Shame on her. I hope she spends the rest of her days in prison. Her daughter looked so sad when she testified. So sad,

[@carolynmcdonald2746]

She really did..I just watched the replay of her testimony. I wish I could’ve just reached out and held her hand.

[@SouthTX511]

It’s sad, she took the father away from those children!!!

[@ShelleyAgua]

She reminds me of Kouri Richards!

[@We_Are_All_Vultures]

We love these! 🙏🏻

[@FredGCopping]

The first testimony was extremely eloquent!

[@kaylynroth8847]

People if it sounds too good to be true..

[@ColorMeShell]

I TOTALLY forgot about lunch live! 😮 Darn. This morning was CRA CRA

[@mandystrong8196]

The defense closing had me laughing so hard.

[@micheleemberger1034]

Observing Natalie on defense table, she looks arrogant n disinterested! I think she planned this whole murder from the get-go! She’s an intelligent woman ,and just knew how to play the game !

[@SouthTX511]

I think she thinks she’s above everyone! She’s not wired right! Imo!

[@Deethehiddengem]

Anyone wrongly accused of is serious crime would NOT be smiling or calm or giggling.

[@KathiLou1980]

Dave Ramsey would call some of this Stupid Tax. So sad

[@KatFish-ky9jm]

Hi Lee! Love your show!

[@Moonlightdance58]

I love your lunchtime lives!!

[@juliaboneafiedpetsitter9690]

Yay! Here for a LL replay-Lunchtime LIVE crew today. I believe the business was started legitimately by Michael, but Natalie took over the reins -with malice aforthought. Also intentionally chose NOT to call for med. help, for her now deceased husband Michael. Justice will be served now, for the remainder/ whole of her crime ( s)!!

[@67Dan]

That defence lawyer? Omg

[@juliaboneafiedpetsitter9690]

@@67Dan You mean “ The Penguin” ? Saw this in the Law and Crime chat 🤭

[@jenniferrigby9801]

Her poor children

[@LB13394]

Replay crew!! Love the lunch updates

[@jerichoharperjmc6277]

I'm not watching the trial just watching you 😊

[@jerichoharperjmc6277]

Get the marshmallows and gather around the dumpster fire 😅

[@SharonEllis-j2h]

I hope she i charged with murder. I truly believe she is guilty of killing Michael. It is so sad all th way around. Much suffering by many

[@walkyourdog6584]

I really think that the investors should take some responsibility in losing their money. There is such a thing as doing due diligence. "Trust but verify." And of course the in-laws do not want to consider that their son may have had a hand in the ponzi. His spending was obscene and he had quit his job.

[@mmcd256]

Did MC also put money in? I agree people should have a lawyer check things out for them if they are risking money.

[@WYOmarla]

Love lunchtime updates!!

[@brooklynrules6117]

GUILTY - short deliberations- Thursday

[@bigalbiggs]

Thank you 🙏

[@Desiree_D]

What happened in the morning? I’m almost afraid to watch myself because I’m acquainted with a couple of the lawyers, and fwiw, defense counsel are experienced and capable trial lawyers imo. This would be a horrible case to defend. Having said that, I don’t think the State has proven that she intentionally killed her husband.

[@mmcd256]

Possibly she gave him the B' Diaz. and wanted to make sure they wouldn't be found in his stomach so delayed hospital visit.

[@beverlymccomas4257]

The Lunchtime Lives are great!!!

[@lorenehenio9531]

I like lunch time live, I can watch during break at work.

[@nh4294]

The defense team is amazing and is indicating that you need to hold FACTS and EVIDENCE not a emotionally opposed verdict

[@VioletJoy]

Yes, this gives a much clearer picture of her as a whole.

[@janedixon8491]

Poor Michael 😢

[@BondJames-vz5wk]

the defense attorney referred to her financial crimes in the closing.

[@debbiewindham5021]

I don’t find the part of the trial with the testimony first discussed in this video. Can someone tell me where to go for that part of the trial?

[@Friendofstfrank]

hot on lawyer lees icon. that will take you to all her videos on the case and you can go thru day by day.

[@danakavanagh]

I watch. Today was fire 🔥

[@nanaof07]

She will be found guilty. No doubt

[@PeaceTrainJump]

Craziest case ever. She was a next level scammer. Claiming a billion in federal contracts ahe. She had none!

[@rikkitikkitavi997]

I’ve watched a lot of the trial. I saw a whole bunch of Natalie smiling, head tilting, almost flirting in court. I have no idea what the victim, Michael even looks like. I thought in closing there would be a good description of what kind of person he was. And didn’t he wonder where all that money he was spending came from? I’m left wanting to know more about him.

[@dellabrown6015]

Love your channel

[@sammiecheco6239]

I think it’s odd that a father would be saying things to his kids thinking he didn’t have or wouldn’t have a chance to do so at a later time. Suppose he had an inkling that he was being poisoned maybe?

[@rfss1715]

I don’t know what to think. Clearly a liar and manipulator not necessarily a murderer. Would love to know what is going on in her head.

[@l.a.w.79]

I don’t think you want to know what is going on in her head. 😮 That’s a dark place.

[@brittanythomas8073]

Agreed. I feel the same. I’m not sure she killed him

[@brittanythomas8073]

I also believe hr was in on the whole thing. I don’t think she was doing it alone at all

[@LeanneRigby-iy7nx]

Just the fact that other body builders have talked about them also using insulin for muscle bulking… that gives me pause. Reasonable doubt.

[@KathiLou1980]

We need that man’s statement and assessment of the narcissist comment - there are a few people I want to ponder while looking at that intuitive statement.

[@Mgmorris98]

Wow the sentencing hearing metaphors and illustrations are so good. they really show the impact that she had on all of the families and how little she cared in the moment when she did these actions versus now that she's been caught. It was so well-written! I'm a law students so I'll be taking a page out of their book

[@nh4294]

I disagree with you on soo many aspects!!! How specifically did it showe dhse cared? Show me??? Specifically?? The defense came out that she texted some one on his phone after he passed why if she knew he was going g to die would she text this person? Hmmmm why??? Because she wasn’t expecting to g him to die!!!! But get better

[@nh4294]

It wasn’t just her!!! She was involved but he also was!!! The prosecution indicating that he wasn’t is absurd!!!!

[@chelsea8043]

Why did Natalie take pictures and record this banker? 😅Wtf? The way I would have went to jail that day if I was him! 🙃

[@Spongebobisha-r3l]

They should have asked to see the contracts ffs. People are daft

[@lsb888]

Love these lunchtimes, only don’t have time to view otherwise

[@athenabrickley3368]

This trial is a roller coaster

[@terievans7318]

You're right. The Banker's statement just moved my innocence needle. Still not sure that proves murder tho.

[@chezlamere4276]

Why do all those victim impact statements sound like they were written by the same one person?

[@Kmarty1010]

Lawyer Lee IS SHE GUILTY. ??

[@hellokitty-nl]

You can watch back; when Chris took the stand, Natalie her body language. She was wildly attracted to him. His wife is lucky to be alive, in my opinion, bc she could have been next.

[@donnabisbal9115]

It can't be proven that's what it sounds like to me !!!

[@garvingirl]

Natalie is at least guilty of “not rendering aid” for hours!!! She should have called 9-1-1 the minute he collapsed and passed out. A normal person would have called 9-1-1 when someone goes unconscious right in front of them!

[@melstiller8561]

Unfortunately, I wasn't "alive" for your lunchtime livestream, Lawyer Lee. Yet, from what I watched of the trial, I simply observed the total deflation of the defense via the anti-climatic performance of the annoyingly repetitive and badgering Mr. Victor. Yikes! 😳

[@DPierce-c5g]

Love you, LL...I hope to be just like you when I grow up!

[@VioletJoy]

Sidenote: It's interesting how no one discusses the fact that there are preferences for women owned businesses, which is completely sexist by definition.

[@NancyBriant-wr9vo]

She sits at the table smiling laughing and talking to her mother! She is so twisted. How can her family have anything to do with her after she lied and stole a lot of money from them. Wow. Just her attitude is sickening. She thinks she is going to get away with it. GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY. Justice for Michael and his parents. His children were disgusting on the stand. Liars like their mother. Michael deserved better. LWOP is not good enough for this evil monster!! Hope she gets life and never sees daylight!!!

[@DazyGo]

Aloha!

[@johnrodriguez5182]

I really enjoyed the movie War Dogs!

[@anabandana666]

SAM VAKNIN!!!! IS INCREDIBLE!

[@Melissa-b7x]

Leaving aside the atrocious actions of this woman, I still don't know about this murder. I think it was very wise to add the manslaughter charge, especially if it's involuntary manslaughter (can anyone tell me if that's right?) That really makes sense to me on account of the nothing she did to get emergency services for her husband who was unconscious all day. That is just unthinkable to me.

[@luvn2limes]

She is 💯guilty.

[@ChristinaCooper-uc5tr]

Shows how gullible people are believing what is too good to be true. 😮

[@Deethehiddengem]

It sort of surprises me she was able to trick SOOO many people. It sounded really way too good to be true. They were very trusting people. And that she was able to prevent people from calling 911 or taking him in. Only when the one guy came over he took control (too bad he didn’t come earlier that day). I think she played the pious Christian women role and they believed in her faith to God.

[@rosedavis333]

I think they are over charging. I believe she killed him, but not sure 1st degree

[@jjoyce1681]

They added involuntary manslaughter to the charges. Which was suggested by the defense which I think was a mistake on their part to offer it. I think she’s guilty but probably would’ve at least gotten a hung jury. But… she could be convicted of involuntary just for the fact she didn’t get him to the hospital. Who knows? We will find out.

[@bconsilio3764]

Beautiful bright pink!

[@SouthTX511]

GUILTY, as the DEVIL

[@rfss1715]

Kids have lost their dad should they lose their mother as well unless it’s 100% certain.

[@l.a.w.79]

Huh? They’ve already lost their mother.

[@christosea-dar-3325]

Extra extra - Hear all about it. While. ~ maybe be making pizza slice or ~ um..scrambled with tomatoe salt. Mayo. Pepper...

[@joycehughes4522]

I believe him

[@anitaholst7671]

I feel sorry for "Julio" (sorry I dont remember names).

[@TJD63]

Geez all this for money.

[@InternationalMysteries360]

Minority set asides, which mostly benefit white women. Natalie knew this, yet we constantly hear about people of color getting something.

[@uneedasims1266]

Her lawyer talked to long

[@terievans7318]

Having heard testimony of their kids in the other trial, that her husband was "working on the contracts" while she was gathering investors, is there PROOF in this trial that it was all her doing?