Has Arena Breakout Infinite Crossed A Line?

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#arenabreakoutinfinite

[@JesseKazam]

What are your thoughts on Arena Breakout Infinite?

[@Kyferus]

I love it, it's Pepsi to tarkovs Coca-Cola

[@GamerZone3]

F2P Chinese game

[@poenschepper]

While some of it is nefarious it might be a wake-up call for the EFT devs to get a move on instead of keeping your playerbase into a constant feeling of discomfort. Haven't played it nor EFT in a while. My go-to is Grayzone warfare at the moment

[@flubbydugnut9581]

Competition is good.

[@loadingfanboys5313]

this and grayzone both have reallly good potential if they stay true to there own game

[@cluelessbird101]

On the note of stealing code, based on what I've seen actual programers saying, it seems super unlikely any code was stolen. The two games run on different engines with different coding languages, which means most code simply isn't transferable between the two and would need to be rewritten from scratch. Also apparently those screen shots don't mean very much.

[@Durping1001]

True but its easy to say look this is stolen while providing 'evidence' thats based on nothing since people that know nothing about the subject will believe it anyways if the claim is alligned with their own opinions without actually doing the research on it themselfs.

[@capnmoby9295]

As an IT student, even if you could copy and paste the code (I know, I've tried before lolol) especially a game that's this complex. It will be a nightmare to fix if there are bugs in the system, and not being familiar with your own code that is potentially hundreds and thousands of lines, good luck adding new stuff in it , even imagining it hurts my brain so much 💀

[@tomh9553]

To play devils advocate, if tarkov was made in Unity with c#, c# code is easier to de-compile than a lot of other languages and it might not be that difficult to port c# code over to c++. To be clear I find it hard to believe anyone would actually do this but I wanted to provide a counterpoint to other replies saying it'd be too hard to do something like this. (PS. I am not an expert)

[@safetrucker]

They’re trolling eft and getting free advertisement while doing it

[@mikedebakker5820]

Exactly, Nikita is literally advertising their game for them. How many people do you think saw Nikita malding about ABI on Twitter and thought to themselves: "Well fuck Nikita, I know what game I'm gonna play". It's honestly genius. 😂

[@safetrucker]

@@mikedebakker5820 their approach on cheaters sold me 🫶🏻

[@DankTank374]

Yup

[@pmarques4322]

If you think tarkov isn't getting publicity from it too then you're wrong, tarkov still the best out there and people playing abi won't last longer than they did in tarkov

[@josephpuentes7576]

@@pmarques4322 devs are killing tarkov and many people as they grow up and get lives do not want to be playing such a no life game

[@zombiepicnic9683]

Whenever there's a clone game it begs the question; why not just play the original? Usually there's not a good answer. So the clone makes a bit at launch just because it's new, then quickly fades, while the original keeps going strong. In this case that answer might be people not wanting to deal with BSG anymore. So a even a straight up clone stands a chance here.

[@feddora5776]

This and Tarkov are super similar but different with the quality of life, and the more arcade feel, is more appealing for a lot of people

[@kayro4877]

@@feddora5776 plus tarkov is in so many ways unnescesary complicated,hard,unintuitive...

[@rytek4274]

BSG keeps taking advantage of the community... it's donzo to me. $250 pve. But it's not DLC... 😂

[@cosmicdude8282]

ABI if everything is done correctly, it will stand over Tarkov, mostly because it's way more accessible to new players. That doesn't mean Tarkov will die, no of course not, Tarkov will keep his player base because it is Tarkov, despite all the issues the game has and how much it hates the player, it has something special. But ABI is just doing everything better so far, they can fuck it up, but so far, it seems a ton more of people will get onto it

[@mikedebakker5820]

In many ways it's also just straight up better than Tarkov.

[@TheKopfjager]

super scummy no, $250 is super scummy.

[@saltydroog854]

Free to play is trash. Brings in trash people, and makes for a trash game play experience. I'd much rather pay $250 so it can exclude the kids and griefers.

[@NikkoOrtiz1]

Actual clown statement, you think 250 is gonna keep them away ahaha. ​@saltydroog854

[@erickarge1838]

Nobody made you spend $250… a generation of professional victims lmao

[@JaViNaToR23]

@@saltydroog854 unheard edition owner and proud... Thats so embarrassing

[@GenerationalDisappointment]

Game is still only 40 bucks to buy though

[@kd8gby]

I just want a good game. I don't really care who from. All of this drama has pushed me to sign off the mainstream multiplayer games for a while and start working through my backlog of other games. I just want to have fun and not have to worry about what the latest drama or patch changes are.

[@senorjigglypuff7953]

Good for you man play those games you've wanted to but didn't cause these will always be here

[@riderhenry3746]

why concern yourself so much with it and not enjoy what you want to play regardless?

[@hallow6763]

Best comment so far

[@stormlah]

yeh just lowend content creator airbreathers cashing in on the drama, dragging us all into like we are meant to give a fuck

[@crustyspaghetti3749]

Drama or not play what you want

[@frankiepeele9220]

I got a pc recently and I kinda wanted to get into tarkov but I’m a senior in college trying to finish up a tough degree and I just don’t have time to get into tarkov and its complexities. The barrier for entry here is just so much lower while keeping the elements that make tarkov look fun to me

[@B-Donk]

I think that is where ABI is going to shine. Where Tarkov will do best is when you want to take it to the next level and engage with more complicated systems. League of Legends is a fun game to hop in and out of without much commitment with a few buddies but Dota 2, for me, has been my main game when I have the time and motivation to want to delve into the same genre. ABI does look good but I'm going to be honest my main stay for Tarkov is the immersion and hardcore factors it offers

[@Grieva-SeeD-]

My guy, take a look at SPT. Obviously if PvP is absolutely your thing it wont cut it, but the mods for it make the AI PMCs very challenging and act like real players. No wipes, just play your way.

[@B-Donk]

@Grieva-SeeD- I have been absolutely RIPPING SPT and even convinced a few friends to play the coop mod with me. A lot of fun and it's crazy how well the game can run. I see absolutely no reason to play Tarkovs PvE mode with SPT being ad polished as it is Edit: Also to piggyback on the AI and PvP. Take a loot at Starvox's channel on SAIN and what his AI presets are. Tbh they are very challenging AI and make up for the lack of pvp

[@mikedebakker5820]

As someone with 2k hours in Tarkov, don't get into Tarkov, it's not worth it. Especially now that we have this game, which is in many wasy also just straight up better.

[@sw33tialucard]

@@B-Donk More complicated systems❌ Terrible game design choices ✅

[@MrBlueeyes247]

6:36 bro this shit had me dying lmaoo

[@thefrankyb]

Hahaha good, happy someone appreciated it, immediately thought of that meme when I was editing lol

[@Avashii]

@@thefrankyb Amazing dude! Art piece haha

[@mattihagstrom1748]

@@thefrankyb Amazing job! What an edit that was 🤣Had to watch multiple times

[@yaboishrimps]

SAME

[@xPASTY]

@@thefrankybThat was an incredible edit dude, nice job. I was laughing my ass off.

[@cryptik_official]

BSG needed a cup check…

[@slackerbeats]

I don't wanna know Nikita's cup size... Spare me pls 😅

[@nathanmitchell7961]

By poteitlaly stealing their assets? Look, i'm all for competition but not when you steal the competition.

[@XxTheGoOfYxX]

@@nathanmitchell7961 Assets?? they don't own the cardboard box models, the cat statues or even the way the buildings look

[@nathanmitchell7961]

@@XxTheGoOfYxX Ah yes the animations, sounds, game design, game structure, genre, loot, textures and possibly the models are 1:1 to Tarkov, im sure it was an accident dont worry.

[@Sway.Gaming.]

We stole the german scientist after ww2 still think we shouldnt have? 😂😂😂 ​@@nathanmitchell7961

[@itscoup3183]

Here’s my take. Tarkov finally has competition. Nikita can’t just do whatever he wants now because there’s another game that can cater to the extraction genre. Competition is beneficial for the consumer.

[@Theqwert202]

Chinese development: First Time?

[@nucance102]

ikr lmao

[@hobocal3b]

So here’s the deal the courts have already stated that game mechanics cannot be copyrighted

[@ChristianBoragine]

it really feels like one day corporate shows up and tells the developers "look, tarkov has these items and sells, do the same".

[@ralphthemonster406]

and arena made it better

[@dan1dan225]

So chinese corporates were like: "Tarkov is a full-price game with microtransactions, keep the microtransactions, but make the game free." Well why not?

[@styleeyo2446]

Wait no friendly fire ... So how am I supposed to get that bronze lion when my team mate picks it up first?

[@buff_engineer42069]

"thats the neat part, you don't"

[@Noahsaltys]

Grenades

[@dubifin]

someone had to come and show BSG how easy it is to make their game functional and in a way shorter time. and then making it free is the icing on top proving we shouldn't have to pay 150-250 dollars to play a game like this

[@timg4444]

It’s a game that respects new players time and as a 10K hr eft player, it reminds me of old tarkov when the game was actually fun

[@Maxime-ho9iv]

Exactly this. To be honest it's a bit mind blowing how people have been able to endure Tarkov quirks, netcode issues, queue time, etc. for so long. You feel like you have something to manage, like it's a job or something. It makes literally no sense. It's not "gaming" at this point. Then they wipe everything and everybody restart again.

[@okemtm]

10k hrs? thats impressive, whats your ign?

[@daviddunlap5602]

No way 10k hours. Even landmark or pestily don't have that many hours.

[@DankTank374]

Yes they do and I see players with 7k hrs all the time you obviously do not play the game.​@@daviddunlap5602

[@frag8476]

​@@daviddunlap5602i mean, baxbeast has 12+k hours

[@Xhotic]

EDIT: LMAO LITERALLY THIS 6:40 tbh i just want the QOL ABI has to be brought into Tarkov, for example the "Quick Equip" Tab is singlehandedly the most useful thing ive seen in a Extraction Shooter, along with being able to ROLL UP EMPTY Bags and UNARMORED Chest Rigs, its just small things like that that really show how Tarkov hasnt been pushed to make new ideas and they need to now implement these kinda things as i believe now we are seeing new "genre standards" even being set by ABI via those kinda QOL Features. For instance even a ingame map that is actually USEFUL AND USABLE IN GAME would be beneficial to EFT as I know Nakitta knows this but most people if not ALL people just use a 3rd Party Website on the phone/2nd monitor (and if only have one monitor kekw GL tabbing out nonstop to check where you are) so why would it be bad to eliminate the middle man via just putting in a USEFUL INGAME map that can be seen during Raids even? Im not asking for seeing player names above their heads n all as that would take a part of the game out i think Nakitta wants in (Teamkilling lmao) also being able to not have Friendly fire means you can just randomly match up w other players on a LFG and not worry, ive played ALL of my games with randos in a 4 man and have had a blast... so just a thought btw (Friendlyfire being removed isnt realistic yes but it DOES allow for players to just randomly team up and have fun and not worry about dying to each other or being TKed for their gear...) Its just like hmmmm.... you know i think they could and should have done half of this stuff already for EFT and maybe now Nakitta will listen more and be open to feedback/changes via community wants and needs.

[@mjesus850]

if you still playing tarkov after 8 years, and hoping for shit like this its pretty sad. nikita wants the game to be a ball bust. just give up and accept he doesnt give a shit

[@thefrankyb]

Happy you enjoyed the edit

[@MicDubTV]

If Nikita listens, it’ll only be because he realizes that ABI is legitimately going to be a competitor to Tarkov & he’s trying to save his game (rightfully so tbf)

[@TheHolacor]

And if EFT does implement a bunch of those things, are they now "ripping off" ABI? lol

[@SLAYER99338]

lol AB have that feathure since 2 year ago in mobile version

[@Spushed]

A game that has been in beta for over 10 years deserves to have all the good parts ripped out and placed into a game that hopefully won't be in beta for more than a year. They have been leaning on the fact that they are in beta for too long as a crutch to not fix the issues.

[@uneventfulgaming8023]

So if you spend a long time developing something you deserve to have your IP stolen? That's not a toxic mindset at all...

[@That_Bman]

The inventory management between ABI and Tarkov broke me hahahah 10/10. Best video yet. 😂😂

[@Br_eed]

I love ur game Nikita. But damn rolling up bags to save space....

[@TakeMe2UrDealer]

To be fair I think Marauders was the first Extraction Shooter I played where you could do this. Too bad the new content is too infrequent to keep me playing it for long.

[@daviddunlap5602]

That is one thing I wish they would steal from them lol. I mean it's inly fair to take some things from ABI since they took so much from EFT

[@ImO.uietly]

Speaking of monetization, AB mobile has decent monetization. BP, gear bundles, buying Koen, and secure cases. But this doesnt really matter, AB gives out alot of koen on each event, and we also get a decent amount of secure case trials. As for the gear bundles, it doesnt matter too much since theres covert ops and we event rewards are pretty generous as well.

[@necrolios4640]

Yeah I’m sick of games now a days costing 70$ and being unfinished they could care less about our opinions companies kinda do whatever they want to make the most money, tbh I don’t care if arena breakout is a damn carbon copy I already feel more respected.

[@DISC0Z]

I just want The Cycle: Frontier back.

[@randomentity6553]

On the one hand, Ugh. On the other hand, I don't think it had enough of a chance, so yeah. Only thing I really hated was the Not-so-subtle infil mechanic of an obvious landing craft from the sky. 🙄

[@genraw5137]

Me too

[@TheRealDecap]

It was a gem. Atmosphere was unmatched in game

[@Reaver_154]

yeah, miss it so much

[@Nothingbutskill1]

Me too man, was the best extraction shoot for me at least

[@Ron-nr8lw]

Abi is definitely in a honeymoon phase right now, plus it only has two maps at this point and I feel like some of its current converts are gonna go back to tarkov it happens in the MMO genre all the time, the new big thing comes out and after you finish the honeymoon phase you crawl back to whatever game you were playing before

[@MansterBear]

it has more. This was a beta. The Asian version of the mobile game has like 6 or 7 I think, and it's a couple seasons ahead of the global version, with 5 maps (iirc).

[@buff_engineer42069]

​@@MansterBearglobal version has six maps

[@buff_engineer42069]

not really read mansterbear's replie

[@Ron-nr8lw]

Doesn’t mean we’ll get the six anytime soon we might but on a new engine that can take awhile plenty of games have had that issue with cs2 being the most recent example

[@benjisan042]

It seems alright but the immersion and hardcore aspects of tarkov are still unmatched. I get its more accessible to casual players which can help expand the player base, which they basically need as its free to play. But the arcade feel leaves me as a tarkov player wanting more out of it. To each their own though.

[@Arbiter8114]

They copied tarkov, fixed all the problems and made it better, im fine with that lol

[@Xenofant]

In addition, Tarkov now has a competitor and has to really dig in to avoid being overshadowed

[@user-vd4xy8ru1h]

This is my thought on it as well. They made it so much better. Idk really on how similar things are. Most games are similar to another game in one way or another. Especially when its a genre defining game. The drama will pass. People will forget. Hey this games mobile version has been out for almost a year. That says a lot as well.

[@daviddunlap5602]

Definitely not better. Games feels cheap. Tarkov looks and plays much better. Plus ABI just feels empty. Maybe in 10 years. But at that point unreal engine 4 will be ancient.

[@Xenofant]

@@daviddunlap5602 Arena breakout Infinity Has been in a closed beta for 22 days and Escape of Tarkov has been in beta for 2488 days as long as my calculation is correct

[@Swift_Arrow_]

I agree with everything said, but ultimately I don’t really care that much. I live Tarkov and still enjoy it, but it’s taking so long for anything to happen with it. It needs competition, even if it’s extremely similar competition.

[@Vanal-lc1id]

bro the cycle frontier was such a good game, i hope they revive it someday

[@420reefblowergamingc3]

Can i just ask. When making games in the same genre, and trying to give people another option to their favorite game but want to make the transition on small things like the number of your health feel the same. If they change it too much then the time to kill feels off and then thats the problem. Or they change the number of health and balance dmg numbers around it so time to kill feels the same but it reads differently to the eye, then people would say theyre lazily trying to hide what their "stealing" from tarkov

[@exiledone6712]

In the words of Von Dutch artist Kenny Howard, “Nothing is original. Everything is in the subconscious, we just 'tap' it sometimes and think we have originated something”

[@TSmitty214]

Dumb quote

[@mjesus850]

@@TSmitty214 found the 14 year old

[@opDiamondKnight]

I agree with you

[@oX313Xo]

@TSmitty dumb comment/user

[@clevername1349]

It's a great quote! However, it's applicability here is not accurate. There was no intention to even try to create something original here. If you created a "Von Dutch-esque" painting that would be fine but if you took an actual Von Dutch painting and just made it different colors, that's slimy and not an actual artist.

[@iluvx360]

I mean, Escape From Tarkov is inspired from the Stalker film (by Andrei Tarkovsky) and the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. universe. Escape from Tarkov is literally named after the director of that film. Most people probably haven't played the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. games but EFT has a lot of resemblances with design decisions. Much like S.T.A.L.K.E.R. the entire game world takes place in a restricted zone where various special interest groups, adventurers, gangs, and bandits are trying to get a piece for themselves. Originally EFT even wanted to be open world, and it wanted to replicate "points of interest" like the developers had in the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. series. Escape From Tarkov has certainly made significant contributions to the genre, but at the end of the day it is a First Person Shooter game. EFT does not have the right to cordon off an entire genre of video games and to horde it for themselves, especially given that their game is based off of the mechanics of another popular series. Arena Breakout Infinite has every right to develop a game that looks and even plays similarly to EFT, whether or not people like it.

[@Ching91919]

Holy , thats funny and correct at the same time !! 06:40 lmao !

[@scottwilliams1891]

ohhhh Jesse you are brave to tackle this topic, crazy that this isnt just what the entire world is saying

[@TheFlashHawk]

It’s like an alternate universe Tarkov XD

[@kiingchunk502]

China gonna China man, idgaf im going to play it as long as its up. i had fun playing this game thats all that matters to me

[@eqinoo3746]

100% true. Idk if they copy eft. Arena makes lot more fun for me casual noobie. So I keep playing it.

[@_Bonez12]

It would be a better game if it fully had its own identity and I think that’s the whole point. They were willing to cut corners and people still want to play it anyway. Sometimes you should hold people accountable instead of being ignorant just because you want to play with a new toy. If you let this team get away with it, then it’s 2017 again and everything is a shitty battleroyale.

[@josephpuentes7576]

@@_Bonez12 Its tencent they are a huge company they do not care also fuck tarkov nikita makes the game more pay to win everyday

[@_Bonez12]

@@josephpuentes7576 Nothing you said has shit to do with what I said. All I’m saying is you should care whether or not they want to put in the work to make a good game. It doesn’t matter if you like tarkov. It’s easier to make a point with a brick wall than you mouth breathers.

[@josephpuentes7576]

@@_Bonez12 I was just stating reality dont get your panties in a bunch

[@DivineOfMadness]

If tarky had half of ABI's QoL i'd play tarkov... but nikita doesn't want to cater to semi casual players

[@alexpiva3193]

Very comprehensive video, you covered everything I think was important. Cant wait to see where this genre goes.

[@brandonmeyer2327]

I worry about bsg as much as they worry about me. Arena Breakout looks dope, can’t wait to try it

[@buff_engineer42069]

there is a mobile port if ya can't wait

[@missedme715]

i still want to play it....and BSG hating it, makes me what to play it more

[@----.__]

If there aren't people looting the entire map while standing stationary at spawn then it's already better than Tarkov.

[@comert89]

AB mobile player here. The game has kits for guns and gear which you can buy for bonds and koens can be bought for bonds but none of them are useful if you have no skill as a level 9 can blast a level 30 if they have grenades. the only p2w feature are cases as they can store golden or red items which are very valuable and will stay with you if you die, just like tarkov. Gear can be gottten from a 2-4k gun as well as ones above 300k so yeah, just depends on how you play the game.

[@KiddBuu_]

I don't like how similar they are, gives me a "icky" feeling, especially with obviously ripping Tarkov's old recoil, BUT I have no ill intention towards the game. I think some people are scared it'll kill Tarkov, but I personally don't think it will. What BSG can do is take a look at some of the well received QoL features and implement them in Tarkov in their own way. Tarkov would GREATLY benefit for in game maps, but instead of maps that show where you are, either a map that doesn't show where you are at all, or a map that only gives an radius that you are somewhere in, that also has fog of war that clears up and marks points of interests, extracts, etc. as you explore that map during the wipe.

[@KedrChadEater]

yeah even just a hand drawn map, it slowly fills up, itsnt super descriptive etc

[@josephpuentes7576]

tarkov needs a map with a compass that actually marks points and has damn names and titles, it also needs wayyyy faster matchmaking times, arena breakouts matchmaking times singlehandedly make me prefer it to tarkov, that and I can play the higher level modes without damn cheaters

[@TakeMe2UrDealer]

I think ABI will be the wake-up call Nikita needs to make those changes that keep the game hardcore, but still less frustrating to play. Gearing up and matching takes way too long, to the extent you could have a four hour game session with only a few raids inbetween. Tarkov does have in-game maps but you need to have them on your person in a raid to be able to view them, if they removed this requirement and made it more accessible with a quick key-press then I think that would be great.

[@sinzinnimar3150]

at this point with what bsg have been doing I don't care if someone "rips them off" i just hope they fail and if it is replaced by something the same as tarkov that is all the better as long as bsg is not in control of it

[@BourneAgainn]

The comparison bit at 6:46 is so accurate coming from someone new into the extraction genre 😂👏🏽

[@jcozyyt]

The Tarkov community trying to cope with competition is hilarious

[@MortemWard]

im ready for a tarkov replacement, and i dont have to pay for it? im in

[@HighImPoe]

For now!!!

[@MortemWard]

@@HighImPoe never had to pay for fortnite

[@MarkoVuckovic32]

​@@HighImPoemobile version has existed for a few years now and it was always free to play, I don't see why this would be any different.

[@Hossimo]

I really liked the cycle, I wish it worked out.

[@RiiZ89]

I play this because it's Tarkov but with friendly markers, a map, and a very simple weapon customization / loadout system.

[@AppleJambles]

Other than the game systems, the guns and attachments are based off real life so there’s no “copying” there as long as they got permission to use it

[@zeeeNy]

CS has Valorant; Dota has LoL; Tarkov has ABI. Tencent has been doing this forever.

[@Roland4430]

Tencent didn't originally own LoL, that came later and Dota 2 had been existing side-by-side for a while.

[@zeeeNy]

@@Roland4430 doesn’t Tencdnt wholly own riot games?

[@sohide8699]

​​​@@zeeeNychinese even copy other chinese game mobile legend copy lol they have big money in 1000 of chinese gamea and they always milking players

[@Br_eed]

I actually like this view point. Its just competition and for me tarkov didnt have a clear competitor till now

[@duckfliper696]

Gamers just focus on their games and not in their lessons about entrepreneur stuff.

[@toknhp3919]

Having game play elements in a game don’t make things arcadie, they make it a video. Taking the ability to understand what’s going on in a situation isn’t the best game design, making shit confusing and hard to interpret during combat isn’t realism, it’s make things harder to create the illusion of real unpredictability. 7:10 you should know who’s on your team…

[@jackknife1229]

Well-developed and well-explained opinion. Thank you for putting this together, Jesse.

[@TrialZ_]

I haven't had this much fun in a extraction shooter in a LONG time. ABI has been a blast to play & stream

[@N0ctVrnaL]

At least Tencent will take the cheating issue seriously!

[@kohnr3381]

no they wont. mobile is full of cheaters

[@slackerbeats]

Especially since they don't make money from cheaters like eft does... By selling account after a ban wave ...

[@antoniohagopian213]

Haha pubg would like to have a word with you. They didn't stop cheating since 2017. The closed beta is already filled with cheaters.

[@hitmanhartman1394]

The game looks better, feels better, runs better, and is free, sure there's plenty of copy and paste things from tarkov but tarkov also has a lot of REAL things in their game like vudu scopes and stuff that are real brands and irl items.

[@kenyangomm2397]

I think that if there are copyright infringements they should be taken to court. I also think that this game looks fantastic and a Tarkov with better QoL and optimization sounds like a huge W.

[@globalfreaking]

This being an EFT clone IS the reason why I wanna play it. EFT is good but too hard and it feels like it's made for streamers or sweat lords without a social life. Arena seems easier (in-game map, more in-game information, map pinpoints, you know who your teammates are, etc.)

[@buff_engineer42069]

I mean if ya really can't wait there is a mobile port it has sweats who jump shot though

[@MtRob]

​@@buff_engineer42069the mobile is the first version to release , they just made a pc version not a mobile to pc port

[@keeb__]

I feel there is a difference between making your own weapon models on unlicensed item vs literally taking the same unlicenced model for yourself without doing the effort. Legality is different from morality.

[@BrianTheeFirst]

Imagine working a whole day maybe even 12 hours. You get home to play the game you love, just to find out you have to spend your days paycheck to get something that was theorized to be included in the $150 game you bought 😊

[@xxyoboigxx]

I've been playing arena breakout since season 1 of the global mobile release. In terms of the recoil, it's mainly because infinite is a souped up mobile port. it's not bad but in terms of some "questionable" things (like the recoil), that's why. i can understand the equipment similarities can throw people off but both arena and tarkov both use equipment based from (if not directly from) reality so i don't understand why that would be such a big deal. in terms of the loot being similar, my best guess is it's to help give similarities to those who have played tarkov get a quick understanding about what loot is extremely valuable. (not 100% sure but that's just my guess). monetization wise, they have a "skin system" that let's you buy customization options for your character but it is based off a gacha system (which i'm not a fan of) but they do also have some customization items you can earn through the ranked system/points. You can also buy gear but genuinely idc about this since gear doesn't mean anything in the game. I've seen people and had myself play with low tier equipment, kill a few people, and come out with some really high tier items. in terms of the allegations, i haven't seen anything that holds any real water personally so i can't really see them being true until some evidence from trusted sources come out about it (I don't trust random people over twitter talking about things because there have been too many cases where trusting those individuals ended up very poorly for situations in general, overall) If you've be2en reading this far, i don't hate tarkov. infact, arena breakout is what pushed me into looking at tarkov and considering playing it for myself, instead of just watching gameplay. but, i've always been skeptical with games being in beta for a long time, still asking for money for said beta, and have their own launcher. I'm not saying early access games are bad but if you have all 3 of the details that i've listed for a game, it screams red flag for me. and unfortunately i was right and the dev team for tarkov decided to eat shit and treat their fanbase like idiots. regardless, I hope tarkov gets their shit together and i hope arena breakout stops getting this "tarkov clone" stigma soon cuz it is truly a fun game and has many details that separate it enough from tarkov that makes it worth playing. i genuinely think both games could not only be good for the extraction shooter genre but i feel if both dev teams and both communities as a whole azctually try, we can have 2 great game communities have some great friendly competition between each other

[@Xenofant]

Arena breakout Infinity is just the PC Version of Arena breakout

[@flash3652]

200 IQ

[@MalRak02]

It's not a port 😂 it's a completely different game

[@Xenofant]

@@MalRak02 Not realy Most of it is still the Same (500 Hours in mobile 5 in PC)

[@Justin-ny8df]

As a gamer, I just want a good and fun game. If they do it better than EFT? Then EFT needs to step up their shit. Both are good and fun in their own ways. AB:I took the winning formula and made it better in certain aspects while there are certain things that EFT still does better than AB:I.

[@bruhmandude1276]

ABI is super accessible. No team killing lets you take newer guys along to try the game without adding threat to you. There’s a compass on the hud. We didn’t have to ask for ammo stats in game. Lastly it’s free. If you’re new and want to try a ball kicker sim, are you going to pay $40 for something you may not like, or do the free game? Tarkov might want to consider some free play weekends so people can try it risk free. Just wipe those accounts and lock access until they buy it.

[@torktastic521]

I like ABI. It doesn't feel like tarkov in terms of the "get kicked in the dick and like it" that EFT started to feel like over time. I think ABI doing things tarkov would never do is the difference, it's just so much more accessible and quick to get into to. The questing is fun and the PvP feels good. Performance and importantly sound are better.

[@Gnarwolf]

When the clone exceeds the original in every way. Then I don’t consider it a clone.

[@jowidubolali5417]

Exceed?? Lmfao

[@mikedebakker5820]

@@jowidubolali5417 Easily.

[@jadelalam9993]

@@jowidubolali5417from what I’ve seen its looking objectively better. Better net code, way better frames, no way of cheating, extremely better QOL in many ways, it being literally a FREE game…and those are off the top of my head. So yea, think before u speak next time

[@voidgaming3700]

@@jowidubolali5417better graphics, better QUOL, better performance, an anti cheat that actually works, being a higher level doesn’t for some fucking reason give your character better stats for a so called “hardcore game”, yeah I would call it superior

[@GankBaronGuys]

@@voidgaming3700 Better graphics? Have you even looked at the animations in it? Looks exactly like cheap chinese knockoff it is. And of course the anti cheat works atm, it just came out. It takes time for cheats and methods around the anti cheat to be made. It's a chinese game, it will be absolutely rife with all sorts of hackers within a couple months.

[@SimplySinify]

Nikita can complain about theft only after everyone who wants a refund gets it

[@gabrielchcosta]

9:00 something that came to mind. Since you will be able to buy game currency this will potentially scratch the itch for those that were desperate and bought items from other players in tarkov.

[@gbya2247]

THANK YOU JESSE! Next time you are live - I'm SUBING and DONATING! FINALLY a streamer with an opinion!! Love it!

[@lucasfiorinibraga]

After all that, I guess BSG will have a bit more of a hurry to deliver stuff. If that story of forever unfinished and soon soon soon keeps going, they will lose the audience to their competitors. Competitors who really do a ton of work to deliver as much as possible to overcome bsg in a short term, instead of stalling as much as possible like bsg does.

[@feddora5776]

Can't wait to play ABI man

[@wego808]

I don't like giving admin access to a video game on my rig. Uninstalled

[@martijnraven1823]

For me, the fact that ABI is so similar is exactly the problem I have with it. I already spent a lot of time with Tarkov and I dont need a game that does the exact same thing. Thats why I usually play Dayz, it scratches the same high tension pvp itch with good loot system , but the survival aspect us much more in depth and a persistant map.

[@MrColoskyj]

They made the eft that we all wanted and now we're mad because they listened to the player base?

[@DROCKTECH]

I have 5k hours in tarkov. Been playing since 2020. I dont care if abi copied tarkov at any capacity. It's a win for gamers. Competition will push for improvement. Pretty obvious bsg needs all the push for improvement it can get.

[@TheLime1]

as someone who own both games and prefer old tarkov , ABI PVP feels like home . i left tarkov for you to enjoy inertia :)

[@Gunship]

My biggest issue with EFT is cheaters, ABI at least looks to address this a lot more. That might swing it for me. I just want fair play.

[@bussy_spoiler]

It doesn’t really bother me tbh. After all this crap with unheard edition and P2W, not to mention over 5k hours, I’d be glad to try something similar but different. Nikita has disappointed me immensely over the years

[@HarryANuis-gi9hz]

As someone who played thousands of hours of league and pubg I can tell you it’s just as frustrating to deal with tencent.

[@bussy_spoiler]

@@HarryANuis-gi9hz I completely believe you honestly..no company is perfect but I’m just interested in trying something new

[@N0ctVrnaL]

League and Pubg have both been going strong for years. Finished games.

[@HarryANuis-gi9hz]

@@N0ctVrnaL on the surface they are but you have to actually play those games to see the underlying issues that are directly caused my tencent. I could write an essay about the state of league pre tencent and post tencent.

[@eddzar420]

If you aren't in it for P2W we'll ABI might become incredible with P2W as the mobile version you don't even get a secure container unless you pay a monthly sub, you can also buy gear and currency.

[@Mm-zi3bj]

Games copying other games is EXACTLY how we get good games. That's how we get good products IRL too. Its called competition and its good for consumers. Look at world of warcraft. They copied things from all the MMOs before them and became one of the biggest, if not the biggest gaming community we have ever seen. They had loyal die hard fans for years untill they messed up. If youre going to copy, do it right and youll be praised people will even forget the games you copied. Copy and do a bad job... youll be meme-ed on for eternity. Its that simple.

[@asog88]

? Why do you think patents exist? Why invest in making a new product when somebody can just copy it? Patents allow innovation and is why inventions have shot up so much in 2 years. Arena had some good ideas. They should have just made their own game. Like PUBG and fortnight.

[@Mm-zi3bj]

@@asog88 Its almost impossible to enforce patents in gaming since you can just change a couple things up and call it a "different game." in the eyes of a gamer sure its a copy in the eyes of the law...not so much.

[@asog88]

@@Mm-zi3bj I kind of understand this, but it depends on the court and tbh, it’s a Chinese company. Hopefully it gets taken down from steam. There are a lot of extraction shooters that tried to be like EFT. And all did pretty bad. And the only reason this one is doing so well is because it’s so close to EFT, but with some changes that made it less intense and hardcore. Plus the cheater and que issues. If they had made their own game, like how grey zone did, I’d leave it alone, but this is too on the nose. Cuz people can hate on nakita for bad tactics but he really did create something special and deserves to not have it counterfeited.

[@Mm-zi3bj]

@@asog88 Yeah its just extremely hard to say "we own the extraction shooter genre" and "we own realistic games" the problem with EFT is that its a realistic game. Cant say they copied them when the games are based around reality. Even Nintendo couldn't do anything to palworld when they literally copied Pokémon and Nintendo is VERY strict when it comes to these things. Another thing is BSG didn't get the rights to use any real guns they just used them anyways and can still get sued anyday. I understand why you would be pissed that they straight up copied Tarkov but it might be EXACTLY what BSG needs to get their act together. Competition, especially good competition is VERY good for THE CONSUMER. So you should see this as a total win.

[@zephynfranks807]

I don't think they care that there copying they jus wanted to make a good game!!

[@ScrumPMC]

I think it's more of Arena Breakout just heavily replicating Tarkov because they knew they could be more successful with an arcade feel.

[@thcxcrew2731]

It’s not 250$ so I like it 😂 but tbh if they had any foot to stand on it wouldn’t be a twitter battle on who stole what or copied what. IMO

[@sergiovillarreal4546]

May the best game win. The fact that ABI is making changes we all wanted will force tarkovs hand into coping ABI lol

[@rivtekk]

I was (mistakenly) optimistic about the Division: Heartland because they actually released a play test. Pretty annoying that it got cancelled.

[@DefinityGamingCA]

The first division game looked sweet until you realized that the ai had 3x the hitpoints they needed because their ai sucked so bad. They just never got the fact that realism would have paid off big for them

[@David-vk2ic]

I wished for 2 years playing tarkov, that another studio would make the same game just to not deal with bsg issues (1 account locked and cant even get it back cause shit response), bugs etc, so im finallt going back to the genre cause of this

[@itsjustbradttv2382]

I'm so glad they crossed the line. Nikita deserves it.

[@AeRoSiKTh]

Welcome to Chinese game design? Idk

[@mikedebakker5820]

Can confirm it's better than Russian game design.

[@AeRoSiKTh]

Evidently it’s the same 😂

[@casualez1438]

@@AeRoSiKTh Not really, Soviet game design revolves around scamming customers, Chinese game design about stealing from other companies which is a W in my book.

[@jakerulesgaming1124]

I always thought it was weird how even the UI looks just like tarkov’s. It’s blatantly a clone, however they might’ve made a better one

[@AriwaraDeStar]

Even if its a copy, aslong it is better, tbh idc, im a consumer not a true beliver.

[@Thewhitedrunk]

samehere

[@nodnarb101]

Lets all admit it. They are straight copying it. Even down to the crap loot. Come on... an awl? lightbulb? cables? If they are going to be that lazy then what else are they going to be lazy with? When I heard this is "free to play" that crapped on it for me.

[@mikedebakker5820]

I didn't know Nikita invented lightbulbs and cables?

[@nodnarb101]

@@mikedebakker5820 Uhhh every single bit of the loot is the same as tarkov. All of it. That was just 3 examples. You're high if you dont play this game and see the exact rip from tarkov they just dumbed it down.

[@mikedebakker5820]

​@@nodnarb101 Definitely not all of it, that's just a lie. Obviously some of it is refferencing Tarkov. But personally I think they just did that as a "fuck you" to BSG. And personally I think that's hilarious.

[@MicrosoftSpreadcheeks]

Copying is how 98% of things get made unless it's a novel idea. You copy and tweak in ways you believe make it better.

[@derekmchenry8224]

The allegations make me hesitant after the days gone incident

[@haidora9321]

lets be real here... stealing the models of weapons to make a realistic first person model of a weapon and creating that in an engine and rendering it and so on...or ripping the already finished files from someone who has done all that work are two diffrent kind of things

[@buff_engineer42069]

let me guess your a person who thinks LI (Level infinite) stole assets from BSG? (battlestate games)

[@nurreven1]

So we are just going to look over the part where Morefun Studios is owned by likely CCP backed Tencent who has a shady data collection history and we don't want to make the connection? The game's english name was the first red flag for me. What does "Arena Breakout Infinite" have to do with a gritty milsim extraction shooter? Nothing more than an odd translation. Further, the alleged asset grabs, code stealing, similar game mechanics, UI etc is likely all part of a quick cash and data grab. This game doesn't just feel shady in implementation. It feels shady behind the scenes, too.

[@igorsena4403]

This game has less tension than Tarkov. It makes the game more casual and fun to play to those who can’t spend too many hours playing

[@kiwix_983]

its free and way easier to run which are two really good things to build a playerbase

[@dugannash9109]

I get people are mad at bsg, and for good enough reason, but ABI is such blatant plagiarism it's comical.

[@mikedebakker5820]

It's not, that's like saying Pepsi is blatent plagiarism of Coke.

[@Cyanmint-Gacus]

​@@mikedebakker5820 They just kept coping

[@JaViNaToR23]

Unheard edition owner lol

[@I3erzerker]

And?

[@Solidcambo]

Right

[@27actanonverba]

I am not really sure what y'all were expecting from a mobile game. They are notorious for stealing or blatant copying.

[@triviumtrivium1985]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/rn_RYnlogb9liq8&ab_channel=Eroktic

[@jayyang236]

Get off your high horse man. Nikita is just desperate, so he's going straight for lies again.

[@davidponder1654]

The games are in 2 different engines, even if they did directly rip code they use different coding languages so it wouldnt work like everyone thinks

[@mr.mustacheninja4809]

I think one of the biggest elephants in the room with ABI is Tencent. Also what about hackers if the beta is already seeing them how will that problem be solved in a ftp? could it be they put more effort into solving it instead of just banning people so they more copies of the game?

[@GamerZone3]

Taking inspiration isn’t bad but blatantly stealing and copy pasting is. Keep it in limits

[@avengedsevenfold998]

@@henryg3313*insert the m4 reload animation from api and eft*

[@jayyang236]

​@@avengedsevenfold998 just a reload? Really?

[@avengedsevenfold998]

@@jayyang236 if it’s just a reload then why copy? Why not try and make your game your own. Like Jesse said, it’s a good game. Why leave low hanging fruit to get picked apart.