Has FFP killed the transfer window?

[@prazleacelvoinic]

no, buying 100+ mil Anthony, Mudryk and other flops has killed it

[@willrea9]

neither of which were over 100m

[@timbolton5968]

Despise how the transfer window is glorified as some sort of competition these days.

[@barrypegg3070]

Don't forget if you buy a young player from another country when they are 18, when they reach 21 they can count as homegrown. For me the bizarre example of this rule is Taiwo Awoniyi. Joined Liverpool in 2015, never played for Liverpool because could get work permit so spent his entire Liverpool career on loan around Europe. But as he was registered as Liverpool player now qualifies as "homegrown".

[@colouredIncognito]

Cool story bro But literally unrelated and well known

[@PresidentSquigglyMiggly]

It's handy on football manager though.

[@DaveStuart-n8i]

Some of the City charges are related to doing activities to circumvent this particular rule.

[@shadowace104]

people have been spoiled by the excitement of clubs overspending in transfer windows so now thst some clubs are being more sensible they think its boring

[@bradleyg7498]

It's nice for the teams to slow down a bit, there's way too much money spent nowadays.

[@DaveStuart-n8i]

100%. It is an economic bubble. European Football will be decimated once the economic bubble collapses.

[@gwheregwhizz]

Think of the poor agents 😢😢😢😢😢😢... 😅

[@CheGypter]

Its been too common the last 5 or so years, that clubs pay 30-50m for a player labelled as a signing for the long term and then selling them if it doesnt work in 2 seasons. Then you have the problem where the contract of the player is too big for 80% of the market, so he is just benched. Eventually, clubs either sell for big losses or keep hoarding talent by sending them out on loan

[@maxfayers9235]

Yep this is bang on, also notice how players that haven’t even played in a top 5 league are going for £50m+, no justification

[@mrdeanojw]

Why no discussion on spurs or liverpools sensible money management over the last few years finally paying dividends? Spurs are in a position to buy players this transfer? Spurs having one of the lowest wages to revenue ratio? Seems odd to not discuss them at all?

[@KailamiMwiinga]

They wanna focus on clubs that have poor management.

[@trishennaidoo1309]

Next season total player cost is capped at 85 % of total income and the next season its 75% ,most squads are over that or near to it

[@thedislikebutton163]

Clubs which respected ffp have not suffered.

[@nettyswobb1]

And some clubs which haven't have more than benefited...

[@lambert8915]

Like City? 😂😂😂😂

[@-MarcusAurelius]

Tottenham is probably the best example of following FFP to their benefit. You could argue it lost them a few trophies but the future looks bright for them

[@tinderuppal]

​@@-MarcusAureliusSpurs haven't spent because of FFP its because they don't have money after spending 1 billion on a stadium. And they have gone backwards in recent years, so I wouldn't say they are doing particularly well.

[@DaveStuart-n8i]

@@-MarcusAurelius Same with Arsenal and Liverpool.

[@crooner4848]

State owned and oligarch football has killed the transfer window. It's been a long time coming but the hyper inflation created by the clubs concerned has ended up taking it's toll.

[@davidhoward5392]

FFP has benefited the top 5 plus Spurs, its kept certain clubs in check..

[@DaveStuart-n8i]

It is either good fortune or genius that Arsenal and Liverpool are in the situation they are in.

[@jdjphotographynl]

FFP mostly means clubs just have to spend within their means, this also applies to the big clubs. It's no longer about who can spend the most and buy their way to success, but rather who can spend the most wisely.

[@amphiphil844]

​@@jdjphotographynlThe biggest club have more means. Hence, they can continously spend more than other clubs and stay ahead of them. It is not about being wise. For the big clubs it is about not making multiple huge mistakes on transfers. Bayern, for example, are so far ahead that thay can buy the best players in the Bundesliga to always stay ahead.

[@jdjphotographynl]

@@amphiphil844 True, however to let the smaller clubs then spend an unhealthy amount of money in an attempt to compete with the big clubs, which more often than not fails or is at the very least unsustainable in the long run... 😬 Take Leeds United, for example. If they would have had FFP in the early 2000s, Leeds couldn't have made such a royal mess of themselves.

[@hussey1990]

What is your problem exactly? When club splash cash, you say game is ruined, now that FFP is doing its job, you have a problem with that too?

[@crayontom9687]

Seems a bit reductive and a bit of a strawman there friend

[@tinderuppal]

"Saudi and Newcastle spending insane sums of money" Wait, that's bad, but Chelsea spending billions and Man United 500m + is within the rules so thats ok. Joey and Oli don't seem to see the contradiction. Big 6 clubs will always be up there and no one can compete. So do the others just say ah forget it? Did Chelsea spending ruin the market for everyone else ?

[@macjakedom]

Exactly this mate. Absolute dribble on here. The 3 of them licking the boots of the top 6 clubs and god forbid anyone should catch these clubs up. The 3 idiots.

[@NatalieLawrence]

As someone who remembers seeing what happened to Portsmouth and Leeds, I agree that controls need to be imposed. Chelsea used their wealth to effectively stockpile players, just so others couldn’t have them. Now, clubs have to focus on building their academies to grow talent and ensure they are run properly. I think we forget a football club is not just players and managers. Local people and businesses rely on them for employment and custom, so it’s important they stay solvent.

[@xain86k70]

PSR is not a government body, it’s regulated by the premier league for its own benefit. The only reason they are going hard now is because the Saudis are trying to muscle in on their game. They have been shocked into action…..they do not care if City or Chelsea spend billions, as long as it stays in the PL

[@bernardfox9078]

I think killing the transfer window was the idea ! Stopping clubs spending silly money they don't have

[@texpatriot8462]

When is Man City going down?

[@albertbrammer9263]

Never. People do not understand the diplomatic issues with finding Man City at fault.

[@texpatriot8462]

@@albertbrammer9263 I think we do understand. They get to cheat without consequence while little NF and Everton get hit hard.

[@rem90mer]

No video of Horncastle in *THAT* Roma tracksuit top? Gutted

[@ericbohms2981]

How is this conversation stalled on this channel? Quiet Jan window? No update on City charged for ages?

[@Vesuvius081]

The overspending indebted clubs with illegal founds kills it, not ffp !

[@johnclewley1363]

The FFP should be based on the debt that clubs still have and the money they still owe to other clubs for transfer fees. I would not trust to Premier league so called financial experts with my grandchildrens pocket money They are all totally incompetent

[@DaveStuart-n8i]

Word. Imagine if 4 or 6 clubs from each league were insolvent... Our game would be destroyed.

[@randomcon123]

The question is whether this is a bad thing…. I don’t think so

[@philhearing]

I agree. If it means there's smarter investment and tactics with players that works that great. Especially if any club can do it

[@randomcon123]

@@philhearing and it stopped clubs from going for quick fixes that are, more likely than not, not going to work out which will in turn leave the club with loads of deadwood to clear, or worse, leave the club in financial disarray

[@albertbrammer9263]

No, FFP/PSR has not killed the transfer window. Clubs running huge losses has killed it. Teams know that they will need to bring in UEFA's squad cost ratio rules, so they need to think carefully about any transfers. Personally, I feel that this will bring in longer term thinking, with managers lasting longer. Fans need to be more realistic.

[@eggsII]

Is the academy operational budget figured into FFP in any way?

[@eggsII]

Just looked it up. Nope.

[@joshuacampbell6212]

Could’ve talked about the Chsrly Alacaraz move to Juve!

[@natangweiitula]

This is a good thing’ this insatiable fixation on transfers is so toxic and continues the dehumanisation of footballers

[@davidpollock4060]

I totally agree with what Oli says regarding the Chelsea academy and who should be playing at Chelsea.

[@KailamiMwiinga]

Gallagher won't win you the league or UCL

[@ds37]

The winter one? Yeah for sure and for the better. Unless a player can walk free comes February, absolutely no English club in its right mind out there is going to break the bank on a dream signing without the risk of massive points deduction looming over their heads because of their dodgy bookkeeping.

[@DaveStuart-n8i]

Word.

[@levisnafu]

Villa fan: dont see Jacob Ramsey leaving, I think clubs should be savvier about which academy players to let go, Villa sold Archer, Chukewemaka, Grealish, Philogene Bidace, we don't "need" to sell Ramsey, it's just a talking point... all that being said, this encourages teams to develop their young players to a level they can actually sell which is a very good thing!!! FFP and PSR is good, clubs need to think more long-term anyway, so many pointless transfers and the bubble was bound to pop. This is how it should be. Smarter choices, more investments in young talent... ALSO... if clubs DO BREAK THE TOP whatever in their league WITH SPENDLING LIMITS, it's much more likely to last. Newcastle will have more for years they don't have to rush, it's better to build steadily.

[@BruvvaUK]

THE best football podcast out there by a mile for me! I look forward to every show

[@JamailvanWestering]

Well when you don’t really have any competition? Like Tifo is pretty much dead and FD/EFD were awful

[@sajit68]

Tifo is now the athletic I believe

[@JamailvanWestering]

@@sajit68 it is and it isn’t, you follow me?

[@alistairwalker7947]

FFP obviously widens the gap Man city fans have been saying this for years and everyone ignored us glad you are catching up Oli Kasy is wrong, the rules are wrong all the rules should do is limit the amount of debt a club can carry. If an owner is willing to put money into a club, new money into football, that has to be good.

[@jdjphotographynl]

That's not good at all, it mostly makes a club increasingly dependable of that owner. If an owner stops being willing to put money into a club, or he or she is no longer able to (for example Abramovich), that club is in trouble. Clubs need to be able to keep their business up in a sustainable way, without any sugar daddies saving their arses. So FFP rules are perfectly right, they drive a change in culture from clubs. Not simply spend dangerously crazy on anything with a pulse, but make solid, wise, well educated transfers. The only thing that does need to happen, is that the big clubs also need to be punished if they don't adhere to FFP regulation. It's still baffling to me how Everton can get a 10 point deduction based off of a handul of violations, but Manchester City stays in the clear despite over 100 (alledged) violations.

[@alistairwalker7947]

@@jdjphotographynl thats easily solved you have to put the money into trust to cover the costs of players (wages for the term of the contract, total cost of new stadium etc) owner leaves trust says and pays out to cover costs.

[@JPzizou]

Big asterisk with lfc is that the team is so good it is easier for youngsters to be Bedded in. You need a solid spine which they have and a manager great with youth in klopp

[@albertbrammer9263]

Selling an academy player only makes sense if he is a real fringe player and the money will allow a team to buy a first team regular. It is a false economy almost every time.

[@albertbrammer9263]

Academies should play in the same way tactically that your first team does. This requires forward thinking and planning.

[@_surreal99]

Didn't kill Spur's transfer window

[@jboothroyd6531]

Stops the newly rich from breaching the gap to the established rich? For a couple years

[@christerskjellvik2169]

What about everton new stadium? They could not bay pleyers but new stadium to billion… is ok?

[@DaveStuart-n8i]

Everton got into bed with a Russian to build the new stadium... That is the issue.

[@msdm83]

Those things are things that you know that the person is just giving their opinion. A much bigger problem is people speaking on topics in a way that they present themselves as experts on. "Climate is everything".

[@johnroth7938]

Chelsea ruined the transfer window period

[@DaveStuart-n8i]

I am flabbergasted how much the new owners spent... Plus what Abramovich spent... Wow.

[@gerrymccant6782]

No, being charged 115 times for fiddling has

[@jelmervanriet790]

boooo, why cant Boehly spend another billion pounds on Chelsea. waaaaahh, I want Forest to sign another 30 players. stupid ffp. :(

[@mikehernandez6345]

A seb! Hope his gate is still good.

[@oppenz3723]

Great. The reckless spending by the likes of Chelsea and Forest should never happened in the first place

[@greg2502]

Why?

[@joshbracken5450]

​@@greg2502 Why? Artificially increased transfers costs, wages getting out of hand, certain clubs spending beyond their means. The player transfer market costs have dramatically increased to obscene levels. No one is saying if a club has the money that they can't spend it, but they have to spend it within their means. For example Liverpool have done good business the last 8 or 9 years whereas other clubs haven't and have spent more money and ruined their clubs. Everton have spent so much money and they have nothing to show for it. All in all the answer is to make sure clubs act responsibly when it comes to their finances and fairness. No one wants clubs going down because of bankruptcy or points deductions or players not being played etc, and no one wants 1 club who are state owned being able to outspend every other club in the country.

[@oppenz3723]

​@@greg2502because if said clubs go and spent beyond their means and ended up in bankruptcy, the one that suffers the most is the fans.

[@filosofastone1442]

Chelsea is in a profitable position, stop speculation. Hire an accountant and just do a desktop PL

[@chrisking9700]

Poor business decisions have led to clubs not doing much in Jan.

[@davidwellings8239]

transfer fees are way too high compared to the revenue of clubs.

[@DaveStuart-n8i]

Word. Economic Bubble, if the TV money and oil money disappears, many football clubs will disappear...

[@tinderuppal]

FFP has only and is only benefitting big 6. More protectionism from other clubs trying to compete

[@DaveStuart-n8i]

This happens in all economic systems: people get rich and then to protect wealth, they stop people from getting rich the same way they did.

[@willywonka7812]

Citation needed​@@DaveStuart-n8i

[@tinderuppal]

Agreed. This is exactly that. Just disguised as supposedly good for smaller clubs. If you got rich and a "big club" over the last 15 years its fine. Funny how 20/30 years ago Chelsea nearly went out of existence. Liverpool were no where. Spurs were mid table. City were down 2 divisions...

[@intergalacticmuffin7071]

No city killed football.

[@arsenalogist4285]

If it's so hard for tomorrow smaller clubs to compete, how comes Leicester won the league? Not all about money, you have to be shrewd in the transfer window

[@jzilla1234]

The dozy boyz continue their unbeaten run. Get your slippers and pipe out.

[@FlashMeterRed]

No, this is how a January transfer window was intended to go

[@billbaggiotmua372]

The clubs can only blame themselves if they can't spend, every club in the league get plenty of cash to improve themselves.

[@chrisclassical7]

it is city and chelsea, they have ruined it for everyone

[@ammarbaagu]

​@@chrisclassical7because without City or Chelsea, the League would still be held by United, Arsenal or Liverpool.

[@DaveStuart-n8i]

@@ammarbaagu Word. Liverpool, Unitedm and Arsenal were definitely the richest clubs before the modern era. Look at the spending at Forest when they started to compete in the 70s. Money has always been a big part of the game. Leeds City were kicked out of the football league because of financial improprietry... The FL had teeth way back when.

[@williamrobinson4253]

The analysts that hype up imaginary transfers have got their arse kicked. Wonder kid spotted in a burger bar talking to a club rep is shown as pure fabrication.

[@weeds56]

Football agents must be doing it tough.

[@harshbaid2511]

Eventually FFP will help rationalise transfer fees and wages. It may take a couple of windows to take effect

[@Panjax]

This boom in fees and wages happened under FFP. It's done nothing to rationalise them. What it's done, is prevent smaller clubs from spending those inflated fees and wages, which further separates the smaller and bigger clubs. Which is what FFP was brought in to do. What's much more likely is that FFP will be amended to allow the bigger clubs to spend even more money and further separate themselves from the pack. There needs to be a fundamental change to rationalise fees and wages. FFP/PSR isn't designed to do that. It doesn't limit how crazy you can go, it just limits how many times you can go crazy. If a small club buys 10, £10m players. They've spent £50m. A big club can spend £50m on one player. Both have spent the same, but the fee and wage is vastly separated, so the big club always gets the best players. FFP/PSR can't stop this. You need to look at individual deal restrictions. And then limit the amount of deals each club can make. Essentially, you need hard cost caps kind of like the NFL does. Then you'll have parity.

[@fplgregfrost]

I'm still hopeful Rashford goes to PSG for 100m & Antony to Saudi for 50m. Sancho somewhere for 50m this evening!

[@marlonblade007]

Linked to arsenal today 😂

[@fplgregfrost]

@@marlonblade007 Onana needs to go too!

[@richardlefaive1944]

If so ... good!

[@SLM3573]

totally agree about Chelsea academy graduates what would Chelsea give to have Tammy, Tomori, Guehi, Mount,RLC and gilmour in the side

[@finfog4590]

They had the chance

[@greg2502]

They are not good enough. Like Lukaku , Tammy and Tomori excel in a lesser league. Guehl, Gilmore etc.. are not better than what we have and we robbed United for Mount so....

[@DaveStuart-n8i]

100%.

[@DaveStuart-n8i]

@@greg2502 Lukaku was 100% good enough, those idiots did not play him properly. Wow.

[@BKKLB]

Premiere League operates under PSR not FFP. They got it right in the podcast...

[@marlonblade007]

Mbappe will probably end up staying 🤦‍♂️

[@chrisclassical7]

chelsea have the best academy, don't forget that they lost billions under the russian and he just pumped in the cash.

[@pianomerchant1830]

Hate that headline

[@joshbracken5450]

No FFP hasn't. The clubs that were spending ridiculous money ruined the window. I'm a Liverpool fan and I am glad my club spends realistic amounts on the transfers as it is within our budget. But other clubs ruin it for others as they artificially inflate the transfers costs and then suddenly a 20m pound player is now worth at least 40m to 50m. I remember we signed Fernando Torres for 26.5m. I know it was a good few years ago but that was a big transfer. Now I couldn't even imagine what he would cost these days.

[@chrisclassical7]

bet you are glad you saved 115 million on caicedo, otherwise you wouldn't be here posting or is it gloating.

[@joshbracken5450]

@chrisclassical7 gloating? I was just pointing out the way we have done our business. Also we had the money for Caicedo. So what are you on about? We have been very strict about our transfer spend. Plus if you take 2 seconds to check out we sold and got rid of several high earning players last summer freeing up a huge amount of wages and funds.

[@JPayne95]

Its all lining up nicely for city to be found not guilty isnt it.

[@hellohellohellohellohello-h5l]

FFP and PSR have accomplished what they were intended to do: to crystallize the oligopoly in football.

[@governormadea5937]

FFP sucks

[@Gabrielbattou]

Saudi Pro league >>> MLS

[@DaveStuart-n8i]

Word.