Has South Africa’s ruling party betrayed Mandela’s legacy? | Head to Head

In this episode of Head to Head, Mehdi Hasan challenges African National Congress (ANC) stalwart Baleka Mbete on whether, in the 25 years since apartheid, her party has betrayed Nelson Mandela's legacy and the dreams of South Africa's rainbow nation.
Over the past quarter century, access to education has significantly improved and the rights of all South Africans to free basic healthcare has been guaranteed.
But the ANC's successes have been overshadowed by rising youth unemployment, recent xenophobic attacks on African immigrants and ongoing allegations of systemic corruption, with former President Jacob Zuma currently facing trial.
From fighting apartheid, Mbete rose to become one of South Africa's most powerful women, serving as deputy president, speaker of the National Assembly, and chair of the ANC.
We ask whether the ANC, and Mbete personally, have done enough to hold Zuma to account, and keep Mandela's dream of a united Africa alive.
Hasan and Mbete are joined by a panel of three experts:
- Makhosi Khoza - former South African politician who resigned from the ANC in 2017, after calling for President Zuma to step down
- Xolani Xala - founder of South African Business Abroad and member of the ANC
- Andrew Feinstein - former South African politician and author of 'After the Party: A Personal Journey Inside the ANC'. He is now director of Corruption Watch UK
Has South Africa's ruling party betrayed Mandela's legacy? With Baleka Mbete, first broadcast on October 18, 2019, at 20:00 GMT with repeats on October 19 at 12:00GMT, October 20 at 01:00 GMT, and October 21 at 06:00 GMT.
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[@mariomulder3153]

All South Africans need to thank this woman for physically showing us how bad the ANC actually is . With her answers she proved how bad the ANC really is .

[@icu4life240]

This is why all of the currupt officials are being run out of office. SA will never stop voting for the ANC they just need to get rid of all currupt parties.

[@dissdad8744]

@RepublicanGuard Retarded masses? So, I guess you are the enlightened and chosen one who stands above everyone else?

[@Vv-fl2rm]

No they will vote for the eff

[@cyberanon2463]

@@dissdad8744 no but at least he sees how much incompetent the ANC is

[@mikewillis44]

@@cyberanon2463 BEE for example goes against the ANC's Freedom Charter.This appears to have been done out of jelousy and lack of forethought.

[@nathitshabalala]

She is not used to being interviewed by proper non-sensationalist journalists.

[@byroncoetzee3173]

lmao

[@corneljansevanrensburg5552]

True.

[@xpressj.carter617]

M. Hasan is Earthquake for Politicians 💨

[@fieliessa9180]

Who, from SA, is here in 2020 watching this a second time? I am , and im still not shocked as this is our reality

[@craigrockstar3390]

I am, unfortunately. This interview happened in a "better" time before the ravages brought on by the lockdown here in SA, where we still find ourselves at level 3. Things were less than 'peachy' at the time of this interview and clearly, we are a country that would not fare well amidst a global 'pandemic'. Now, after the economic suicide of the lockdown, orchestrated and led by the ANC Government mind you, the country's decline has been accelerated with unemployment spiraling out of control. Does anyone believe the ANC Gov can do anything to assist our country in any way to bounce back? What we have seen is looting and stealing of funds meant for Covid Aid; the loans and bail-outs they have and will still receive is like handing piles of sweets to unsupervised kids and telling them not to eat any! Once again the ANC members and their cadres prosper, from this 'crisis' while their people starve, more than ever! The writing is on the wall, the country is lost, hope is lost by most, everyone can see now what is happening, just empty promises. Talk is cheap and the ANC does not have the ability to take action - we need a miracle!

[@duchess_fufu2364]

🙋‍♀️🙋‍♀️ lol I'm with you. The ANC is so gross. We already have a covid-19 commission 🙄😑

[@shanelaurent4221]

I'm also watching this again 😖apart from a litany of issues there are two major problems that stand out to me as a citizen of sa, number one is the utter incompetence of our so called leaders and the other is a total lack of accountability, both of these can be clearly seen in this video

[@susanprinsloo9435]

@@shanelaurent4221 cannot agree with you more... bunch of ID10Ts

[@hairlikewool.1435]

@@susanprinsloo9435 biggest idiot was Mandela for letting white people get away with all the Evil they did

[@TheMorkSkogen]

I'm in awe of this woman's ability to unflinchingly deflect and deny anything hurled her way... it truly is a form of art.

[@woggles8100]

Lies without remorse

[@juliusv.cnwachukwu6076]

I am appalled, but being Nigerian, I am only also Furious, its the story of my life, bad leaders lying to good citizens until the citizens give up and become bad too.

[@danielverwey7980]

In 2 and a half decades all she learnt was "we are seized" In the world of good governance, she would have been sacked in a day

[@njonjokibera9587]

@@juliusv.cnwachukwu6076 is there more panel videos like this because this one is indeed interesting/comedy. This lady can’t hide her dishonesty and corruption. ANC needs to be removed from power including those corrupt incompetent officials

[@fredperry523]

It's sheer stupidity - the medical or psychological term is called 'Dunning-Kruger syndrome'!

[@loritamakhwanya1188]

This lady is a true reflection of the ANC, no accountability

[@colinkoekemoer5697]

As clueless as she is corrupt

[@ProbotX-eo5ln]

and no responsibility

[@ziintle]

yet south africans still vote for them.

[@ziintle]

@Thank god for whites thats the reason why we should vote. not voting only makes things worse, we can vote for anything but the anc, the opposition grows stronger and the anc is dethroned. we are a democracy, not a socialist state. just vote for anything but the anc. simple. you abstaining from voting isnt gonna help anyhing but the anc.

[@ziintle]

@Thank god for whites there is not need to call people by derogatory names. what u must do is do your part, your family must do their part, and your friends too. support sa and vote. if the anc's numbers shake, they will have to wake up. if you watched the polls his year, the anc is losing that 50 percent majority, some parts, dipping below 50. leave the people with mealie meal alone, just do your part.

[@tshepomahlatsi4377]

As a South African...This was embarrassing.

[@thandomntungwa6697]

You shouldnt be embrassed, leaders aren't put in power based on leadership skills it's based on popularity.

[@plofkraak6536]

The South African politicians are embarrassing. And the majority who are voting for them are embarrassing. But they are fooled by years of false propaganda.

[@thandomntungwa6697]

@@plofkraak6536 hold up wait a minute they are South Africans that truly believe they can't change the way the government works from a party that isn't in power you change the negatives from within.. Remember when the Apartheid government abused South Africans for more then 150 years this government has done more for the black people then the Apartheid governments could ever

[@ghostqueen2082]

@@plofkraak6536 indeed...cognitive dissonance

[@thandomntungwa6697]

@Muslim Always come to Inanda, they were no schools hospitals, they are currently building hospitals something we would have never got from the minority. This government is by far better then any minority government talk is cheap when the minority had the right to do as they please for more then 150years we are far from those days we not perfect but I'm glad we here

[@lynetteclassen1776]

As a South African, I am extremely embarrassed that this is how we are represented.

[@nosiphosobekwa9316]

Greed ! Greed and Greed is our problem. Everybody is greedy in South Africa. Tax payers purse is a cash cow.

[@duchess_fufu2364]

Lol my fellow South Africans, why do y'all seem confused? We all know what they are like....only 7 months of 2020 in and they have already looted the 500bn covid-19 relief fund they borrowed from IMF🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@naeem-hf7xx]

Duchess_ FuFu 🤣🤣🤣 i just want to leave mybru

[@jaxonwright2243]

Not surprised

[@LisaMKieti]

Same script different cast in Kenya.... Sigh

[@MuNky1022]

Did it come from the IMF though? Usually the IMF has strict controls over the spending of loan money. Wasn't it from China, which usually has a lot more sinister strings?

[@BernasLL]

@@MuNky1022 Google it, instead of asking open-ended questions to easily answerable points, on the guise of sowing doubt to any casual reader.

[@laurian_mrensburg5027]

I AM A SOUTH AFRICAN AND I FEEL COMPLETELY DISGUSTED BY WHAT I AM SEEING!

[@airzulu2733]

It wasnt good was it laurian. And seeing something like this must put off those who may of considered investing in south africa . One things for sure the future of our south Africa looks bleak .

[@aobakwemhele6613]

@FranciscoMendez why leave the country when we could all stand up and fight the ANC, take the country back from those criminals! We can only do it together

[@shueibhassen6322]

As a fellow South African, there is a lot of work that needs to be done...and we shall follow through as a nation.

[@citizenofdaworld7582]

The only mistake is Our leaders are Afraid of the West. Whiles we were supposed to make them Fear us the most.

[@southernswag813]

If you people would have never invaded a country you wouldn't have to deal with it you European reject

[@basco7771]

Africa is doomed with people like these as our leaders.

[@gags-villsounds5351]

so sad...

[@marlonharvey8552]

They are not leaderd they are looters and incompetent. They dont possess leadership ability at non of them

[@video83046]

Africa is doomed cause they still wait for leaders instead of raising them

[@mogabriel5238]

@@video83046 nailed it brother you absolutely nailed it

[@basco7771]

@@video83046 a very true statement you have to look at perspective. How can you raise a leader when everyone is consumed by thinking where the next meal.comes from. African leaders purposefully dumb down and starve their people so thAt they the citizens see whatever basic thing the government does as out of this world hence they keep their power. Look at south Africa, Zimbabwe. The political parties basically thugs and work hard to keep much of the electorate ignorant. So it's easy to blame anyone except themselves. South Africa it's migrants Zimbabwe it's sanctions. So how in a environment like thAt are leaders moulded. It's possible but it's a very daunting task

[@afghankhijalat5620]

As an Afghan I was always ashamed of our politicians. After watching this lady I should start praying for ours. I feel sorry for hundreds of thousands of innocent people died under their leadership. She doesn’t even feel apologetic or remorseful.

[@Vv-fl2rm]

You have bigger issues there in Afghanistan and the Taliban party going on there

[@rykson161]

She’s rich she doesn’t have to feel anything

[@alegian2301]

As an South African, gou are spot on. The denial and idiotically thinking in this government is thriving. You can be lucky, we have dumb people running our country😭😭

[@nomazizizembe8662]

I agree it's a shame

[@andreasbeernaert9861]

She says,' Every loss is a lesson '. Well, The ANC has 26 years of lessons. South Africa is now a 'match and a hay-stack' right now, thanks to these psychopaths !!!

[@cleodontina1]

Your country has always been a match and a haystack because of apartheid. Stripping the natives of land and hording all the resources brings about that situation.

[@sunnysza9707]

This was shameful. Just shocking.

[@khomotsosekoaila2286]

I hereby resign as a South African with immediate effect 😂😂😂🤦‍♂️

[@LM-rg9lj]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@FM-in8pn]

😂😂😂what will you be?dont run away from problems like her deal with the ANC!

[@LisaMarieClarke]

😂😂😂😂😂👏👏👏

[@O10866]

😂😂

[@caitlynryder8639]

Bruh. Same😂

[@mosiuoatsomela5622]

this was the most embarrassing interview for the ANC and Baleka Mbethe and yet revealing of how the South African government is operated under the ANC government. she just made an idiot of herself by defending the failed party policies. someone, please talk sense into her. my 15 yrs old daughter would have provided better answers.

[@aobakwemhele6613]

This interview basically describes the role of the ANC in the past 26 years. Pathetic.

[@desertrose606]

And corrupt

[@siyabongasiyo2634]

This is the most embarrassing interview I have ever seen. Baleka Mbete was exposed and this interviewer was on the ball, he had his facts .

[@alphaj33326]

Medhi Hassan is the toughest interviewer out there, he's a nightmare for politicians.

[@averagesoap124]

This interviewer is an solid anchor. Even our the anchors at the SABC has as much balls as this guy has. A shoutout to this guy. He has the most balls that I have ever seen.

[@petermulenga3687]

What an embarrassment

[@eisbeinGermany]

and thats why the country is in such a mess,, hardly any anc cadres have a higher education than st 5

[@macimeza]

This is just too embarrassing to watch this as a South African 😥

[@daahirgeedi5906]

Watch nicely

[@qinisobuthlelezi720]

Ei mft Yaz

[@robertmcleod8248]

Macimeza, history will show that so many talented, mostly black SA expats have left SA for better opportunities. Its sad that the ANC failed these expats as they were too busy feeding from the trough, focusing on their own narrow interests.

[@mhlengimkhize5028]

😥

[@topenglish6674]

You are not your government.

[@heinkapp4288]

She is not ignorant. She knows everything that has been going on. She is just a 'good comrade' that justifies everything to safeguard the ANC. Very sad state of affairs in so many African countries where the liberation movements end up betraying the people who continue to support them blindly.

[@jonwhelan2333]

This parasite makes me sick, and I pay tax money to it every year for the past 25 year…

[@lithaTafs]

This woman has embarrassed South African in front of the whole world. I'm ashamed to call myself a South African right now. SMFH

[@thatomogatla1676]

That's on you if you base your national identity on people like her, she isnt South Africa she is only one person be proud to be South African and an African in general it's one thing no government or person can take away from us

[@mubarakcewu9462]

This is embarrassing: no superior logic, no reasoning

[@luyolomify]

mubarak cewu 😂

[@luyolomify]

mubarak cewu my South Africa the banana republic!

[@giftnkele4962]

@Ndlovu Twiga 😂😂 accurate analysis

[@dillonkilian347]

Superior logic? Which cockroach made up the word superior logic?

[@Voyager1211]

@@dillonkilian347 You can be sure it wasn't anyone from the ANC.

[@thinadlamini4671]

Sadly Nothing has changed under Cyril Ramaphosas administration. 🤦🏾‍♀️

[@MO-ss5mj]

Hes an ugly Rodent

[@j-sundayrichards7742]

This woman is corrupt than the word it self😡😡😡😡😡why can’t she be honest to her self for once?

[@Isochest]

Because it would not benefit her. Remember she is a machine with no conscience

[@pheladilamola9458]

That Xolani guy will make a perfect ANC MP/minister one day. He's already arguing like them.

[@bandilenkabinde5672]

It doesn't make it right just because whites also do it.

[@makitimorweng8318]

He's defending baleka. He's singing for a position after this interview

[@sivuyilemaqokolo7900]

😂😂😂He's already fight his salary..

[@sivuyilemaqokolo7900]

He's already fighting for his salary.. 😅😅😅Thts how they fight for their stamach and their children in the ANC

[@anziohoffman9451]

The way he's trying to cover up and sugar coat things

[@hugo_kruger]

I am glad that the outside world is starting to speak out on South Africa. There are so many wrongs in this country. Zuma was only the tip of the iceberg.

[@sinethembatepture2155]

I hate that thug you talking about

[@khumothage4629]

True.

[@thabisopgumede1126]

So was your great grandfather

[@videoboer]

@@thabisopgumede1126 Hey dont be a poes man

[@sbahlethabede1851]

This country is a comedy show 😫 we are a joke

[@donianderson449]

Good i was cleaning the house while listening.... The frustration went straight to the dirt. What a disappointment

[@ntombifikilepetronellamkhw3760]

🤣🤣

[@ayyylmao101]

A healthy way to displace frustration XD

[@lesaaaaaaaaaaa]

😭😂😂😂

[@adorablydeplorable7580]

How can anyone look at the poverty in Africa and then see the leaders lives and be ok?....

[@zendydumezweni5788]

"I was too busy with parliament" yet over 300 000 people died wow this women has no shame !

[@nguniwealthonly3957]

Something is wrong here

[@squattakamper7045]

I was beezee toeing the ANC line becoz I wanted to be a SPEEKAH.

[@moonqueen192]

Should charge her for negligence

[@byroncoetzee3173]

she is in the top six, they have ALL the power, they could have made a snap decision over any issue and implemented it.

[@thapelonotwane4469]

She's disgusting, she makes me mad. How can a person be this insane???

[@ClydeD1337]

And the audiance seems stupid too, They think all that is funny.

[@raymonddunne627]

@@ClydeD1337 that's because they don't take Africa seriously, we are a joke

[@bananaman3536]

@@raymonddunne627 we are a massive joke. US and UK don't give a shot.

[@byroncoetzee3173]

they are thye top six, they have unimaginable power, she does not care. After the interview she goes back to her position, her friends in power, her money. they are has been revoutionaries on a gravy train.

[@jj56x7.5mm]

@@raymonddunne627 she got mad cow disease

[@drdezamekgwe4646]

Baleka Is such an embarrassment, she’s representing the ANC exactly how it is. We are here 2020 August.

[@bernarddesmond9761]

That man is turning in his grave ,27 years in prison all in vain

[@mgnn5100]

Imagine how we the people of SA feel with such useless govt.

[@karlbenz5636]

you are in a minority. the irony is that the majority actually are quite happy with the useless guavament.

[@stephankuhn5873]

@Porter Maxwell True that. The ANC voting fodder would give her 100% for this interview.

[@masegosehume1637]

😂😂 I blame the world for painting ANC as Mandela and now everyone still keeps voting Mandela's party that is completely different now to what the man even tried to represent

[@wlk2408]

@@karlbenz5636 no they are not happy they just support them out of loyalty. Like in Zim and other countries one day they will turn on these corrupt government.

[@kgothatsomoiloa1784]

@Porter Maxwell Bantu is a language family. Stop using Apartheid terminology..

[@lindi3hbrands274]

Why did she even do this... all she did was embarrass this country

[@claudiarobertson5972]

so could have declined and then prepared herself

[@emdolokhov7848]

She embarrassed herself.

[@trentburness8293]

Literally. Can't understand why she thought this was a good idea

[@squattakamper7045]

Everybody has a price.

[@PatchesOHoolihan]

Are you honestly asking why she did this? Understand that this might shed some light to many South Africans that the ANC is not able to take accountability for anything and thus South Africa needs to change, I agree that many more young South Africans need to speak on forums and discuss the issues. Sadly the government won't recognise anything that the youth has to say and hopefully in the next 25 years we can change that! Kind regards

[@johnbutler3141]

She defended zuma in parliament , she shielding him from the questions.

[@husainmotala8339]

When they ask her about he’s comments saying the ANC is more important then South Africa and her replies is basically a so what, he said it

[@jimmybindra]

Sorry Ms Mbete, I love you for the way you acted so cutely I would say but these were the best moment of this interview: 04:28 ...World Bank isn't God 😅😅 07:12 ...That wasn't a swimming pool 😅😅 09:25 ...The cockroach comment 😅 11:30 ...In ANC, we don't look at things as they are 😅😅 ..how cool is that 😬😬 12:52 ...We have stuff to catch up on 😅😅 25:08 ...the way you are putting it Mehdi 😅 27:25 ...Medi, I am not a doctor 😅 27:37 ...I never had a private moment with the President 🙊🙊 28:25 ...the eyes expression 😅😅 31:10 ...so he made it 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️😅😅 34:16 ...long term solution using beetroots 😅😅 (mr Xala) 39:29 ...I will find out 😅😅 40:00 ...If you remember very carefully, something have happened 😅😅 (Xala) 41:35 ...then I guess a coup will do 😅😅 43:25 ...let us sit together with you and your girlfriend 😅😅😅😅😅 (she was talking like as if she's mother of the boy) 45:12 ...It is a problem 😅😅 (another problem that she will look into) 47:05 ...I am wondering who says that? 😅😅 47:40 ...I have no me, outside of the collective & an African lady in the audience giving a look to her 🙊🙊 Oh! ...it was an awesome interview and worth watching it again for time collection ...lOl

[@Vv-fl2rm]

Worry about the trash in your own country

[@jimmybindra]

@@Vv-fl2rm lOl ..looks like you want to live in a bubble ..good for you ..but mister unfortunately we consider all 'human race as one' & think for everyone. Visit India once ..it's a big country with different cultures, languages & religions. BTW, I represent citizens of my country & not the corrupt govts. And we welcome you to our country & hope you will like some things.

[@Vv-fl2rm]

​@@jimmybindra LMAO the only bubble here is that empty container you have for a brain. I have been to India several times for business. Theres nothing wonderful about that over crowded filthy space. So stop making assumptions

[@RichardDHooper]

and this is what a 30% pass mark in school will keep creating.

[@MrFlamingballs]

The standard were higher back then. This will only produce worse results.

[@jj56x7.5mm]

@@crearekrelnein2601 they have just made the past rate 0 percent check out the statement from the minister of education

[@trampssa6803]

@@jj56x7.5mm Government schools do not fail students in primary school because the class average passes them. It's all about the collective.

[@trampssa6803]

The world is being turned up-side-down as was foretold in Scripture: My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, ... "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge": Here the verb is plural and its subject singular, because, being collective, it comprehends all the individual members of the nation. Book: Book of Hosea Christian Bible part: Old Testament

[@brianbayer4868]

@@trampssa6803 the knowledge in the Bible is referred to scripture not the western book standard,geez how gullible can you be

[@mavinselemela8159]

We as south african don't recognise this woman, we don't know her, never saw her.. Any country can have her

[@TransurLifeawai]

It is not only her ignorance and failure to hold leaders accountable which is being exposed, but rather the entire ANC...for it is the entire ANC which supported Mbeki's AIDS denialism, Zuma's corruption, and the overall party's moral decay and failures.

[@jerryphoko4937]

Aho,monna You behave Like Thomas you dont know Baleka.Even if is an embarrasment she is one of us.

[@kooskoekemoer]

@@jerryphoko4937 One of you looters..

[@orapelengtawana3287]

@@jerryphoko4937 She's a South African yes, but we dont recognize her

[@errolmotau927]

@@TransurLifeawai research the issue of AIDS in relation to MBEKI, the truth about AIDS, CDC, MERCENARIES specialising in AIDS, DR. GALLO'S expose' in AIDS, ALL I am saying research and reading will give you the truth on MBEKI'S stance on HIV.

[@debc7584]

Thank you for this interview, watching this in June 2020. God heal our beloved South Africa

[@chadalexander8722]

I love SA.I begg and plea to my bros and sisters in the majority.Come the next election PLEASE remove the ANC.Not for my sake but your own. How is it possible for Zuma(children,grand children),are millionaires and living a lavish lifestyle while the GOGO and MALAU/MADODA is living in a shack and starving.I know You are loyal to the ANC but please vote with your head and not your heart.Regards:Gary Alexander(Still proudly SA

[@duchess_fufu2364]

🙏🙏

[@Waldemarvonanhalt]

Mandela's legacy was never betrayed. He was just as corrupt as his successors. His family has gotten very wealthy from that. The difference is that the international media doesn't fawn over Zuma or Ramaphosa as they did with the former.

[@josephotunga9608]

Exactly, he started the rot while the true revolutionaries were sidelined from 1994

[@jacquesw3086]

As a 19 year old South African, WE NEED MORE INTERVIEWS LIKE THIS. It's a step in the right direction - people are being held accountable! There is so little communication between our leaders and us as citizens that other countries have to keep our leaders in check... You can not only see the misunderstandings, but feel the rage between these people. We need a president to unify South Africa, because unity has been long gone in SA.

[@dineingesheya9566]

This form of interviews are required to every country leadership as it my cause change in Africa leading class.

[@Isochest]

No leaders in Government just self serving crooks sadly. People have to stop voting for the ANC who at best view public money as a personal ATM and are working with criminal gangs to destroy South Africa 😢

[@lightningRatPack]

This does nothing because the people that vote the ANC in are the ones that will never watch this or cant watch is.

[@user-tr6cf9oz4s]

Yes that is true. Mandela was uniting South African. But this ANC is dividing people by means of corruption. As long as this present party government is in power nothing will come right in South Africa it will become worse and worse as long as the parasites are in power.

[@freddymabule6037]

I see many fellow South Africans saying they were "embarrassed" by the interview. Embarrassment should be the least of our worries.

[@sandindamae.iwantmetowin5652]

THIS INTERVIEW REVIEWED REALITY OF WHO WE ARE IN SOUTH AFRICA. WE NEED TO SEE OURSELVES FROM OTHER PEOPLE’S VIEWS. WE ARE VERY UGLY IN SOUTH AFRICA AND WE RE GETTING UGLIER DAY BY DAY.

[@bereal6590]

Never feel bad when your country is led by bad nasty people. They aren't you ✌

[@meilinchan7314]

It's spreading everywhere....not just ZA....I'm sorry.....nowhere on the planet is safe :(

[@sebastiaantheartartist]

South Africa has become an international embarrassment . And this was 3 years ago. Things only got worse since then. South Africa is far worse than in the apartheid era. At least everyone had food on their table. Clean clinics and hospitals. Quality education. And everyone had jobs.

[@nwanakhazitv2116]

I as a South African I feel like what baleka mbete responded to the questions brought an image of lack of believe to ourselves as SOUTH AFRICANS,it also shows that we still have a long way to change

[@luckyvusi6438]

We need this type of journalism, oftentimes journalist are afraid to ask tough.

[@AJENKINS1920]

Lucky Vusi this guy is a sell out and a racist..He is playing cards with the Neanderthals

[@brianbayer4868]

@@AJENKINS1920 no you must watch all mehdi's interviews his even going easy on her

[@brianbayer4868]

Vusi ..tune in to Eusebius on 702

[@Juniatadelphibey]

Right! Whites paying off not only her! But, THEM TOO!!! 😆

[@houseplant1016]

@@AJENKINS1920 Another butthurt who's idol is crushed.

[@Kolobebv]

She was there,she was the shield of the looters and made sure that they don't get to account.She is shamelessly sitting there and playing dumb.

[@cecileverster1513]

I wonder if she knows how dumb she is

[@cecileverster1513]

And she gives colonialism the fault of everything with that ugly wig on her head. (also) colonialism.. F,, k she dumb.

[@patrickfizzo918]

South Afrikan leadership must be ashamed that such platforms never get to be broadcasted to those that vote for them

[@kamvelihlem6207]

Watching this interview reminds me of George Orwell’s Animal Farm, when the pigs came into power and suddenly some animals became more equal than others. Quite chilling.

[@emiliodeolim-thefisherman9957]

Thats deep hey..you right

[@Asad-zeetwo5241]

Just before watching this interview, I was watching a video about 1984.

[@cstraws4718]

As a South African i am embarrassed by this 😧

[@givenstuurman3556]

I am DEEPLY embarrassed to call myself a South African after watching this. Wow 💔

[@Andilewethu]

Given Stuurman 🤔🤔🤔

[@LisaMarieClarke]

@funbot Given wrote "embarassed", not "surprised". This does not surprise us. South Africans are well aware..... and the sensible are embarassed

[@hamzarawashdeh7077]

@@LisaMarieClarke South africa is one of the best countries I've visited but some people are making it looks bad also some foreigners are doing bad bussinesses there

[@the90-daychallenge88]

Him: "You disagreed silencly in private?" Her: "Yes"

[@SeekTheTruthAndTruth]

Welcome to the new world where swimming pool is a fire protection measure:)

[@lavenderflowers1075]

😂😂

[@wynandbritz9056]

when does 'mistakes' include murder, fraud and total lack of responsibility??

[@SharifMustafa]

This would have been an award winning comedy show.

[@TransurLifeawai]

Funniest thing I've watched in ages.

[@davidchrismasamba2491]

Hahaha I know right

[@anacipaulina818]

Yupe.. i hope trevor noah watch this.🤣🤣🤣

[@christinebeal3893]

Sharif Mustafa yes it would! But if you call them out they deny !

[@beautifulcrazy]

The greatest comedy show 🤣 now the world will feel what every South African lives through daily

[@oneblackman4994]

Africa,my continent...i weep for you

[@muranginetshilaphala2721]

as south african I'M embarrased by this woman

[@samkelokey4656]

You are not a South African Chief

[@muranginetshilaphala2721]

@@samkelokey4656 by which logic?

[@samkelokey4656]

@Nomfundo Fuma He is NOT ONE OF US

[@sizwenicolasndlovu548]

@Nomfundo Fuma if you Judging from his surname, have hear venda people is south african, the surname sounds more like venda to me and thus he is 100% south african.

[@watchingthehawks355]

I'm Short of words,who will take the responsible of corrupt government and fail government?

[@Donmarcusiano]

she's doing what Zuma & Mbeki used to do, 'she denies everything'

[@tfmkhonza5084]

No better Anc president.

[@Michael-xj4pp]

Wow, this is scary watching this for the first time and living in South Africa. This country is DOOMED!

[@the90-daychallenge88]

47:44 😂😂😂😂the disgust on her face😂😂😂priceless!

[@wade1198]

Africa is doomed with this type of leader all over africa, they never took responsibility for anything🥵🥵

[@tegistkebede2917]

Yes you are right these kind of crooked politicians are in power right now in my beutiful country Ethiopia. That's why Africa will never change unless people start a movement

[@BeezyNgeezY-ul1nu]

They didn't even talk about how the murder rate is higher now than apartheid times....

[@johannesdejongh4102]

Lucky you said that and not me for obvious reasons.

[@johannesdejongh4102]

@Ndlovu Twiga Glad at least some of you are starting to see the truth.

[@johannesdejongh4102]

@@tegistkebede2917 Nope people need to start thinking for themselves and get out of the brainwashing.

[@lordbored2706]

I feel like I'm watching the Roast of Baleka Mbete.

[@mogamatyusufmartin9171]

True 🤣

[@cecileverster1513]

Stupid bummer woman. First of all she must learn to speak English.

[@jj56x7.5mm]

@@cecileverster1513 she was drunk the swine

[@stevemiller9299]

26 years later and still blaming others..........ANC is useless

[@anthonymogale2567]

Mehdi, Your last question to Ms Baleka on Chris Hani brings sombre memories to me. Chris made those comments at the students meeting University of the Western cape, at which I was junior student. From that meeting I was intrigued by the statement, trying to understand what Chris was trying to warn us of. How true of your comment Mr Mehdi.

[@khangwelobethuel2360]

I stay in Johannesburg, the criminality is bad bad!!!! And yes the police service is corrupt to the core

[@anhofanhof8133]

EVERWHERE!!

[@anhofanhof8133]

georges Tchianga Yes. Unfortunately!

[@anhofanhof8133]

georges Tchianga LOL! You are not safe ANYWHERE! In fact the wealthier the area , the more they prey. Believe me I would leave tomorrow if I could. Even tho I have dual nationality, it’s not an easy situation to be in. Many personal factors why some of us get stuck here.

[@Voyager1211]

"...is corrupt to the core." Like everything else the ANC touches.

[@anhofanhof8133]

georges Tchianga Thank you, really appreciate your comment. Go well.

[@nnomzok4149]

This woman! Deputy President and Speaker of the house. Yet she says there's nothing she could have done personally. Smfh.

[@joeblack4436]

Party over country dude. That's their motto. They hold their unity in almost a religious light. They would rather see the country go down the drain than risk the party being weakened even an iota. It's rule by committee. And every member of the committee has a private stake.

[@leshmanmehla728]

Morena.... please tell us what you would have done.

[@stephankuhn5873]

@@joeblack4436 And further, just like Zanu-pf in Zimbabwe, they would rather push forward policies that keep them in power with a gullible, purposely under-educated, grant-financed (17m out of 55m) voting pool conequently flying the country into the ground rather than growing SA democratically with enlightened policies. A criminal syndicate in every way. She basically admitted to Omerta.

[@stephankuhn5873]

@@leshmanmehla728 Honesty, hard work, skill, competence, and compassion for the previously disadvantaged above all. Instead we have theft, sloth, uneducated incompetence and uncaring from the Party mandarins.

[@thembalihlevideosolutions542]

It’s true though. She has no power within he ANC. She is a small fry. She only got the job of Deputy President as a ANC campaign gimmick of women transformation.

[@NGHTRDER-lw7ss]

5 minutes in and I am already disgusted by her ignorance and the way she contradicts herself

[@afurakashomara3409]

I like the tone of the interviewer who appeared to be friendly but the questions would make me rush to the bathroom, he is really excellent, he grilled our politicians but the mood and the atmosphere was electrifying. I think being an ANC member I realize that we need a serious turnaround strategy otherwise we have taken the role of former apartheid government and we have excelled at impoverishing our community further. ANC is like an abusive partner in a relationship or marriage, and the other spouse is so battered to an extent that is beyond the danger lines.

[@mfundomncube8210]

🤦🤦As South Africans, we have failed to create an alternative party to the ANC, that's why we are here.

[@sinethembatepture2155]

Juju come up with the eff idea as alternative party

[@faizeladam1404]

@@sinethembatepture2155 and he's just as divisive and corrupt.

[@bongsndimande1284]

@@sinethembatepture2155 EFF is only 6 years old they just can't mushroom their way to government i give them my vote though i still lament the death of PAC

[@kgothatsomoiloa1784]

@White Brad Bad Maybe you're right, but go into the townships and tell our old parents and grandparents who experienced Apartheid first hand to vote for white people and see how they'll react. That's the only reason why the ANC is still dominating. Parents brainwashing their young children of how without the ANC, Apartheid would still be here and would continue. We grew up with such fears... And sadly not a lot can think for themselves that it was simply a hoax, you shouldn't feel indebted to a party in a free democracy.

[@khumomatlakane2009]

@White Brad Bad the D.A are an alternative to white South Africans. They don't relate to problems facing black and coloured communities.

[@Gunner_182]

Christ! What an embarrassment. The sad part is there are people in the ANC who still think like she does.

[@servantofthemosthigh2525]

Can you protect me from yourself? 😂😂😂😂😂

[@Gunner_182]

@@servantofthemosthigh2525 Fam! 😂😂😂

[@moonqueen192]

Must if them do. The attitude sucks

[@dennisabordo6043]

Baleka Mbete's responses to the issues were typical of incompetence and indifference. She persistently demonstrated her unwillingness to challenge poor practices within her governing party and in that regard she failed to represent the suffering masses of her nation.

[@carlylefortune852]

Why is Xolani even on the panel? Hes been asked what he thinks, not what the ANC is thinking... Can he not speak for himself?

[@ebonyjazz1172]

As a proud African. I am embarrassed for South Africans

[@onelove9599]

As a South African I am ashamed

[@cinnamonstar808]

im embarrassed that you cant see through this. SOUTH AFRICA like all western society is built on 'suffering'. THE UN IS NOBODY and isnt there for Africa. AT NO POINT IS EUROPE AND THEIR PEOPLE IS/was RELEVANT TO AFRICA; history backs me up for 350 million years. the brought crime, suffering and bacteria /virus all over the planet. they should apologized for the common cold up to HIV

[@kamvaallan6351]

Dont even mention it. I just wna hide myself

[@Refilwe_Fifi]

The host was thorough and professional, a foreign concept to the ANC and seemingly South Africa at large ( public & private sectors).

[@spa33meister]

Fi fi not completely professional, but yes thorough. His “beetroot” snark after the initial question was in poor taste.

[@theobaki]

ANC must be dismantled and thrown in the dustbin of history. Baleka enabled corruption and lack of accountability , did everything to defend Zuma

[@siphelelemkhize9908]

South African here. That woman is complicit and despicable. The ANC is disgusting and has diminished all they're work in the liberation struggle.

[@sedikanelerutla8489]

This is the kind of leadership we are dealing within South Africa.

[@lindelanintuli6028]

Sedikane Lerutla some of her statements were vague because she didnt really have the answers because the jobs wasnt in her juridisdiction...at the end of the day she was merely trying to protect the country as best as she could....

[@julian56792]

Lindelani Ntuli she was trying to protect herself not the country

[@sedikanelerutla8489]

@@lindelanintuli6028 I hear you man and agree with you to some extent, right now in this country we need accountability and not excuses. All I heard was excuses. You cant tell me minsters and speakers meet and discuss issues around the portfolios. What are the portfolio meetings for? I hope you understand where I am coming from. We still have issues around funds disappearing, forever green contracts around our energy producers and so forth. But in meeting they are forever there

[@danievanaarde3653]

Interesting also to note how the past is the past when it comes to anc misdemeanors but the past is not the past when it is time to blame everyone else.. hypocrisy of note.

[@TheAlibaba19]

I was waiting for your comment. Absolutely true! They are quick to point the finger at the past to protect their complete failure at governance, but when someone else brings up their past failures they don't want to acknowledge or talk about it. The hypocrisy is astounding.

[@chumanindzala6017]

Simple truth

[@lesigelesige2821]

The ANC is disgusting, I hate ANC with my whole heart

[@chopsticksandchappedlips9734]

"What security was the swimming pool providing the president?" "In his view that was not a swimming pool" This might be one of the dumbest responses I've ever heard from a human being.

[@guyonthenet9482]

What its like listening to politicians as a South African: There will be an inquiry to discuss meetings to prepare a briefing for an investigation to set up a commission in the diplomatic gathering to set up a plan where we doing nothing.

[@hghbryson6821]

Omg nail on the head

[@clarkent61]

This woman is beyond an embarrassment...

[@hamonryechinaski180]

She is thick as well as an apologist and is as corrupt as the rest in the cesspool in SA parliament.

[@lucindafrancis8450]

Watching this on 12 May 2023. Things have just gone worse in South Africa and still the ANC is not accepting accountability

[@cmichaels9544]

This is brilliant! Thank you so much for this

[@user-xw8iv7jw3e]

Excellent interview, Medhi. As a South African, I can assure you, the ANC does nothing concrete to help its citizens

[@taurayichinowona9891]

It is quite telling that she says she supported the coup in Zim because it saved ZANU PF, rather than that it saved Zim. Freudian slip perhaps.

[@joeblack4436]

You hit the nail on the head. I also noticed that.

[@views330]

ANC its like Zanu of dont u see it

[@Voyager1211]

There was no slip - that's exactly what she meant. Here in SA, she and the ANC cadres put the ANC before the country. Why would her thoughts be any different for Zim?

[@taurayichinowona9891]

@@Voyager1211 I know, that's why I prefixed the word "slip" with "Freudian".

[@yondoodle]

If only we could recycle the ANC's excuses. We'll never have load shedding again.

[@piethermanus8777]

This is why Al Jazeera is the best news station on the planet...objective facts...

[@joaquimpimentel2608]

How could someone like "Baleka Mbete" represent South Africa................really this New SA is a joke!!!

[@robertbaird6432]

Medhi Hasan is arguably one of the most impactful interviewers in contemporary media. The scope and depth of his line of inquiry is nearly peerless.

[@michaelh878]

As long as he isn't talking about Islam. Then he is extremely biased.

[@G_Flash84625]

@@michaelh878 True that

[@michaelh878]

@J G It is. But the Muslim brotherhood seems to be slight less bad than the Wahhabi alliance. Sometimes the enemy of your enemy can be a friend.

[@mutheiwanap]

The unfortunate moment in the history of South Africa is this interview,

[@wolfieinu]

On the contrary. Sunlight is the best disinfectant. And I don't mean the brand of green soap.

[@MYBLOODYUSERNAMEFFS]

You didn't see the sars ininterviews then? xD

[@ziintle]

@@MYBLOODYUSERNAMEFFS i need a link to this sars video

[@sphiwegoodwill4396]

True

[@azaniajuicethwala5324]

I highly doubt I’ll be able to watch the full interview in all honesty.

[@ODGreenZa]

I was a 10 year old white south african in 94. Im now a 36 year old foreigner in the very land I was born in. I've seen corruption cripple this economy and few with political connections get richer. Our very covid 19 relief funding has been stolen while our company cannot trade during this lockdown. There's no accountability here just cabinet reshuffles. God help us weve gone from an economic powerhouse to the laughing stock of the world

[@batgirlp5561]

What a shame. I hope this interview has brought many things to light and hopefully things will change.

[@nickeywalters8067]

I AM GLAD SHE IS ACTING LIKE A FOOL SO THAT ALL CAN SEE WHAT IS THE REALITY IN SA

[@sisandangiba8666]

That's exactly what I was thinking too.

[@azaniajuicethwala5324]

RK I was just about to type this.

[@jj56x7.5mm]

@@sisandangiba8666 she is not acting she is crazy

[@thatheforest5806]

I can't believe she was once suggested for position of president, what an embarrassment 😔😔😔😔

[@johnthusi]

After nearly 3 decades, South Africa still has one of the most unequal societies in the world. There are very rich people here, there are also very poor people living side by side with the very rich. Can we for a moment just digest that? Maybe we should revisit Kempton Park. Yes Kempton; - that's where the whole balls-up happened.

[@arlenehiles2689]

You are so right.

[@sydg9577]

You can not blame apartheid for the failures of the anc. ANC has destroyed South Africa

[@nwu.kidding]

This is embarrassing for me as a South African.

[@tonygq3269]

She does not have intellectual answers, she did not prepare for the unexpected questions .....my dear God the name of the program is "head to head" how do you go to a show like this and make a mockery of your self and your so called political party corrupt bastards "angry"..........I'm black by the way im not white, and last time i voted was during Thabo Mbeki the ARV's president.

[@Peekaymaja]

@@Abraham_Tsfaye not really, it's this old people.

[@Juiced10111]

@@Abraham_Tsfaye The actual problem is that the ANC has destroyed the hope of a government of national unity by treating other parties as not important. All races can work together, but not if you have one race dominating the other in making decisions.

[@bananaman3536]

@@Abraham_Tsfaye although is pretty racist to say that. It's 100% true.

[@hlempheabielsemelane3358]

What is embarrassing here

[@nizlopist]

Now that was an embarrassing interview. Mendi came prepared and it’s like Mme Baleka was only interested in going to the UK for shopping/holiday. It’s like showing up unprepared for an important exam

[@riyaadhm2808]

I don't understand why she would agree to the interview, like what good can come from it for her?

[@Isochest]

@@riyaadhm2808 Narcissistic supply?

[@jacokoegelenberg167]

Please share this I am south african and the world should see this and maby that could help because south africa truly is the most unfair country at the moment