Has St George's Day Become Toxic?

For many people across the country, St George's Day is a time for whimsical displays and pride in English life - but in London yesterday celebrations turned violent as protestors clashed with police.
Is Saint George's Day traditional or is it toxic? Lee Juggernauth thinks that people should be able to celebrate St George's Day. And Narinder Kaur who thinks it is time to leave it in the past.
Has St George's Day become toxic?
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[@onlyme219]

No, it isn't toxic, this woman is toxic

[@peterlee584]

Exactly right

[@livinia296]

No it isn't toxic. Because st George is Turkish with a Palestinian mother.

[@onlyme219]

@@livinia296 Thank you for pointing out the obvious. That said she is still toxic, let's agree to disagree. Like adults

[@leighannclements7849]

She is toxic and doesn’t deserve air time

[@An-Alien-On-Earth]

She is horrible

[@MrsAsam2006]

She was toned down today, a bit and using 'we' which I was surprised at

[@leighannclements7849]

Oh help the world if that’s toned down 😂

[@ptv8113]

@@An-Alien-On-Earth why are you so offended at someone not liking the dark side of the flag? The racists and far right and hooligans that use it as their symbol? It's just about the flag- but you seem to be broadening it out into feelings about the entire country!

[@leighannclements7849]

@ptv8113 Bore off

[@BOINGBOING-UTA]

This women hates England

[@connieh6136]

So much negativity,what’s wrong with this woman,nobody is forcing her to go out and celebrate this holiday! Stay positive stop the negativity 😞

[@ptv8113]

She doesn't hate England- she hates far right politics, racists, bigots and football hooligans. Unfortunately- all of those people use the flag as a symbol of their ideology. I wish that wasn't the case but it is.

[@colettegibson6516]

She's Welsh..... they didn't have any English on!

[@leighannclements7849]

She’s Welsh Punjabi

[@BOINGBOING-UTA]

@@leighannclements7849 she’s from Newcastle

[@allanbulloch7963]

What is she talking about, "celebrating liberation from oppression"! Your celebrating your national identity, your freedoms, and unity with your countrymen and women. You can tell her "I'm a victim" mindset just by how she talks. Total waste of space!

[@lightningspirit2166]

This is whst happens when England is no longer full of english people 😮

[@sib1930]

Nope

[@leighannclements7849]

She is extremely aggressive like she can talk 😂😂

[@arranlargue6167]

Nardinder doesn’t see herself as English anyway, so why’s she part of this debate?

[@durhamfox5271]

Because she’s not English

[@arranlargue6167]

@@durhamfox5271 Since when was Newcastle not in England?

[@arranlargue6167]

@@Lancashire_Lass. Didn’t know Leicester was in Wales 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@durhamfox5271]

@@arranlargue6167 It’s from Newcastle. And her DNA wouldn’t even say she was British, never mind English. She’s a Pakistani

[@arranlargue6167]

@@durhamfox5271 My bad, lives in Leicester but born in Newcastle. However you’re making the same point as me, she was born in England but doesn’t see herself as English.

[@benwilliam9415]

Ah right so you can protest freely when it concerns a terrorist group but you can't go out an celebrate the national day of the country yeah that sounds about right in the times we live in

[@saraheastham5527]

Scary times when they put people like her on English morning tv shows 🫸🏻

[@leighannclements7849]

If she is anti British why is she here??

[@britnatzaredemocracydenier5922]

I'm Scottish never British/English ...no more evil English rule over Scotland

[@leighannclements7849]

Bore off mate. Where in Scotland do you come from? And where do you live now?

[@AM2K2]

That is her role for TV...the only gig she can get. She doesn't even believe the words coming out of her mouth.

[@britnatzaredemocracydenier5922]

@@leighannclements7849 still Edinburgh

[@leighannclements7849]

Oh I believe she does

[@crashleyt]

Wrong the police blocked them from coming through .the English want to celebrate it .the culture has become racist to English whirw people .BTW I wasn't there I watched the live video of mayor tiesi and he isn't putting agender on anything he reports actual stuff

[@juliegarland9247]

Correct

[@Tomokos123]

yeah i watched it live the police moved to block the road and created the violence by not letting peaceful people celebrating pass after waiting for 10-15mins and created the violence.

[@rickipaddon6962]

We’re celebrating being ENGLISH. We’re not “far-right”. Neo-Nazis are far-right.. ask Tousi is we’re far right when everyone is shaking his hand and he’s walking around wearing the St. George cross

[@timminsmark]

He’s got a good grift going on mate

[@edwardburroughs1489]

@@timminsmark Maybe he's just got some principles that he want to stand up for? If he succeeds as a result then fair play to him.

[@timminsmark]

@@edwardburroughs1489 nazis

[@timminsmark]

@@edwardburroughs1489 he’s paid by Israel

[@Thesimon221]

Two tear policing yesterday the police wanted trouble riot gear horses, they don't behave like that at palatine protests

[@socillizt4life]

Protesters against the massacre of tens of thousands of innocent lil CHILDREN are not equatable to a bunch of racist ex football hooligans,who were trying to capture a bit of their long gone youth by getting bladdered in order to start a riot.

[@abdul361]

St George's mother was Palestinian, please do some research.

[@leighannclements7849]

Saint George was born in turkey died in Israel what is now known as Palestine.

[@socillizt4life]

@@leighannclements7849 I think you meant “died in Palestine which is now known as Israel”. As Israel only became into being in ‘48, due in a big way to the then British colonialists.

[@leighannclements7849]

Think you got that the wrong way round. Palestine is new Israel gave it apart of their country as nobody else wanted them. Do your research properly.

[@rickipaddon6962]

You’ve got to loosen the term “far-right”, it’s pathetic.

[@PoopZombie970]

Should we leave Eid celebrations in the past? You know considering the riots that happend in southalll? Oh wait no that would be culturally insensitive, that culture that has no place or history here in the uk

[@malcolmhouse9547]

Did she say anything about the BLM protest when objects were thrown at the police on horseback causing a horse to bolt throwing its rider .

[@hmu05366]

Whataboutery

[@emstirling-is4nu]

Thought Not!

[@cHFBb]

Why is the racist always given air time!!!!

[@MarkGenner-xz4zu]

She Was Indian 🇮🇳

[@melnik2621]

She never heard about the Romans, the vikings, the normands ??

[@baronvoncrags771]

Brown people come here and get to decide what English means?

[@saraheastham5527]

🫸🏻

[@kevinmease]

IS ITV anti English . ? ? ? I ask the presenters of this show if they are proud to be English . Please show us any part of St Georges day 2024 that was racist .

[@michaelenglish2066]

shes os anti english the hate shows through

[@JohnSingleton-yg7yn]

I am a Welshman iwas watching live KZbin on St George 's day waiting for the English to start trouble but what I seen was the police going in to upset the English that is old style policeing why do you want to make out they are bad .

[@ElemennoP]

there's that many now in this country who will never celebrate it and that's such a sad thing..

[@leighannclements7849]

Yes like the metropolitan police ran by Sadiq khan

[@socillizt4life]

Who are the “them” you’re referring too ? Your comment just defined the mindset of every single rioter. Your comment has literally proven her point. WELL DONE!👏👏👏👏

[@leighannclements7849]

Who are you talking to?? Nobody said them??

[@leighannclements7849]

Sadiq khan is the mayor of London

[@lanahaslam2970]

It is sad. As for who you're referring to I'm sure you mean non-immigrants too as it seems many have lost pride.

[@colettegibson6516]

I didnt even know it was St George's day, what a national shame. I knew when it was Ramadan

[@deniserobinson3194]

Do not enploy her again and you english presenters should be supportive of all english things

[@stevekirby2509]

The first people that were oppressed by the English Tyranny were the English civilians! St George symbolised the end of that Tyranny to the English!

[@simoncox9689]

really? guess you now clue about our history then

[@williamfallower2446]

She has no Clue what she's talking About, she's blaming Football Hooliganism, people deserve to celebrate St Andrews, St Patrick, St George's Day it's our British Culture, we we're brought up with it for Hundreds of years get a Grip GSTK 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧👍

[@user-xq1pm4rs2q]

And yes im an Anglo saxon Christian woman in my own country.

[@christophertownley7512]

She's a problem

[@Melanie_Star]

🥳🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🥳 We should all be able to celebrate & be proud of where we live & where we were raised. Everyone else does it, why can't we? Narinder (as always) comes across as arguing for arguings sake. It's an aggressive attitude that makes me want to switch off wherever I see her.

[@FlashHazardous]

The saddest part of this segment was the fact that 45% of the poll responders thought that St. George's day is toxic. I live in the UK but I'm not English. If I was I would be proud of all the history, heritage and culture that the flag represents. If we cancelled celebrations (or protests) due to a minority of bad actors that try to smuggle in their extremist views in, we wouldn't have any celebrations or protests at all. All countries and their people should be able to celebrate the good in their history and culture. And just a reminder that all of human history is littered with evil deeds - England is not unique - all the more reason to remind ourselves to remain vigilant going forward to preserve how far we've come. Stand proud England, stand proud.

[@markthorne5025]

Coming from the MSM probably I'm English proud of it ain't changing for no one!

[@paulcooper7408]

We were never oppressed? The British were enslaved by the Irish and Vikings for over 700 years until we were colonised by the Normans. We were then enslaved again by Barbary pirates for 200 years. Not to mention colonised by Romans.

[@jacobblack369]

This woman needs to stop talking…

[@markthorne5025]

Everyone was there to enjoy there day except the Met Police who let's face it haven't set themselves in a blaze of glory last few years spoiling for a fight .This Woman is Toxic!!

[@anthonyfrancis2374]

Lots of right wing thugs rampaging too let's not forget them!

[@41yearsago]

If you don’t like it move to another country 👋

[@AgenoriaModelTrains]

She must be fun to talk to at parties!

[@manpreetbrar838]

Lee is correct, and has a proper English name for bonus points.

[@user-xv8ic4vc3r]

No, it isn't toxic 😂. It is a celebration of being English 😅. This would be interesting to see in Eastern Europe......😂😂.

[@michaelenglish2066]

if it is toxic its becouse of people like that woman

[@ASHERZ7167]

No, this country's attitude towards patriotism is.

[@stephenvaughan5626]

London police in the pocket of Khan .

[@julianshepherd2038]

St Andrews day in Scotland is a holiday but we dont make a fuss and no one gets arrested. Scots were not repressed. Scots King James took England, not vice versa.

[@leighannclements7849]

It only got violent because the police were blocking people and riding their horses into people all set up by sadiq khan. And I’ve seen many of Celtic vs rangers matches that have been extremely violent.

[@jackshepherd93]

Can you show me a video of violence that wasn’t started by the police ?

[@hmu05366]

That’s a massive oversimplification of the Union of the crowns. The way you’ve portrayed it in your comment was like scotland invaded England and placed their own monarch in charge of England which is just a silly take lol. Scotland was heavily oppressed by England - to much the same extend as Ireland. There were benefits of being part of the union - eventually - but a huge loss in sovereignty and ultimately economically

[@thorkushari4027]

But both the Irish and Scots were highly active in the imperial enterprise. Everybody likes to kick down.

[@paulinewade4082]

Why is she here hates this country and what we stands for its our national flag every country has a national flag

[@beth3535]

Hardly. It’s woke citizenry and others who are taking control by violent means. This holiday, gives those who value the country a celebratory time.

[@leighannclements7849]

It was the police that caused the problems yesterday plenty of witnesses and plenty of videos to prove it.

[@aethellstan]

seriously? they are probably as far from woke as you can get

[@denislaw8]

She is Toxic

[@ptv8113]

She’s right I’m afraid. She’s not toxic. The flag is owned by the far right. That’s it.

[@leighannclements7849]

No it’s not 🙄

[@user-vn7hu6np9t]

@@ptv8113 what a fatuous comment. The flag is not owned by the far right, it is used by them fecklessly. There is a difference.

[@ptv8113]

@@leighannclements7849 So what flag did the NF, BNP and football hooligans fly? Cross of St George. So how do they not own it? I'm sorry, but when you fly it, that's in the back of everyone's mind. You keep saying it's not but that's because you desperately wish that was the case. But it's not!

[@user-vn7hu6np9t]

@@ptv8113utter nonsense the flag was originally used for maritime purposes. Just because small minded people use it for far right purposes doesn’t take away its meaning for many millions. If you believe PTV that all it’s for is the far right then you are as small minded as them. Like I said previously fatuous comment

[@1951gramps]

Now, truly Naurinder is beautiful for her age, but she challenges that fact constantly by demonstrating her naivity, and hatred for this country.

[@KDepz]

No it's not, let people practice and rally around.their beliefs.

[@malcolmhouse9547]

When in the 70s is she talking about

[@MariTeabag-lf1ly]

Narinder Kaur . . . begins by bashing UK, continues shouting and over-talking everyone else. She only sees things through her own history and culture. Being from an immigrant family she always has somewhere else she calls ‘home’. Usually India or Afghanistan, Pakistan etc. Immigrants always refer back to their own cultures as ‘home’. She seems to have no real knowledge of UK history & culture. Also London isn’t the centre of the World, plenty of towns and villages celebrate St George’s day all over England. Switching off now, can’t listen to her any more. I don’t know why she is on so many of these News channels. She’s incapable of giving sensible reasoned argument and listening to others.

[@terrywalker5268]

Why is she here with that much hate

[@rage9079]

Why give her the air time

[@jackshepherd93]

Give me one example of violence yesterday without the police starting it ?? Also give me an example of one year where any George’s day has had more violence than carnival

[@britnatzaredemocracydenier5922]

I'm Scottish never British

[@jackshepherd93]

@@britnatzaredemocracydenier5922no one cares As an Englishmen Iv never met another Englishmen who cares about Scotland We all just laugh at how much you hate us It’s hilarious You should give the English the vote for you to leave You would win 😂😅

[@leighannclements7849]

Nobody cares mate you have no point

[@2222quinny]

​@jackshepherd93 I'm English, but your point about the Scottish trying to leave. Its the English government that won't let them. And I personally have never met a Scottish person who has said they hate us. It's a myth. Just because you don't want to be part of another country doesn't mean you hate them. There's plenty other countries that have reason too. And neither do they. They just don't want to be ruled by us. Lets face it we don't have a good track record 😮

[@leighannclements7849]

I’m half Scottish and believe me plenty of Scottish people are hung up on the past and don’t really like the English. So don’t speak for them all.

[@michaeljohnson5370]

Proud to attend yesterday surrounded by people with morals Shame on her she's most definitely anti British

[@DD-cg1tm]

Who exactly were they clashing with? Themselves? The police? Morris Dancers? Richard still has his Judy's teeth in. Sort it out mate.

[@eastlondontillidie]

This women doesn’t enjoy anything 😂

[@aethellstan]

why have that horror on every time...oh yeah it gets people talking even though she's a hater

[@emstirling-is4nu]

She should be deported for hate speech.

[@Eldred-lg1tk]

I had to look up who Narbinder was. I found out she was a former reality TV contestant. In light of her stunning lack of actual talent, overinflated opinion of herself and constant attempt to stay relevant through race grifting ... I'm not going to put much stock in her opinions.

[@fadzilfadzil6001]

Waste of time

[@waynegodwin426]

She's a British indian,the flag is not for her

[@mark8544]

Nope, but its the cutural imports that have made the whole country toxic

[@ptv8113]

Can you describe your culture? And how it’s been affected?

[@SimonSmith-yd6tt]

Has GMB been bought out by The Daily Mail?

[@hmu05366]

Lol you’d think so especially with these comments as well

[@Kezza316]

We conquered slavery, we championed equality we the English welcome all to our shores

[@MiixAndMatch]

Why is she her🤷🏾‍♀️

[@ThatTallGuy0]

“Uglier scenes” shows someone saying they’re proud to be English

[@william53519]

She's still angry she got voted off big brother. Time for her to let it go and move on in life 😂😂

[@AnthonyTaylor-gf4lq]

Far right thuggery 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 talk about blowing this out of proportion

[@user-qy9rt9cy2b]

That marinda she doesn’t like anything english

[@Tonishog]

My lord this channel is finished

[@Tom_3566]

Yawn get a grip

[@user-qk4qy3tu5l]

St George was from Palestine and never came within a thousand miles of England. I am proud to be English and I wish all you racists would emigrate.

[@lewis123417]

Pmsl you clearly don't know your history. St george was from Turkey. Cappadocia, Turkey 😂😂😂 not everything is about palestine 😂

[@lewis123417]

@leighannclements7849 so the original poster is still wrong. St george wasn't from palestine 🤣 that's like Americans calling themselves Irish 🤣

[@leighannclements7849]

Sorry I was wrong he died in Palestine but was Turkish. Born in turkey died in what was Israel is now Palestine.

[@leighannclements7849]

Saint Patrick wasn’t Irish either he was British captured by pirates taken to Ireland where he became a bishop.

[@lewis123417]

@leighannclements7849 Britain didn't even exist when St Patrick was alive

[@hewmanbeing]

If you don’t like the traditions and celebrations that are practiced in England you are MORE THAN welcome to leave. Actually, please do and take everyone that thinks like you with ya!

[@ptv8113]

I was born in and have lived in UK for 50 years. In all that time I've never either had or been invited to a big St Georges celebration. There's never been a national holiday and nobody made a big deal. So how is it a "tradition"

[@hewmanbeing]

@@ptv8113 Sounds like a “you” problem. St George’s day was and is important to English culture, sorry to hear no one invites you to celebrate.

[@ptv8113]

@@hewmanbeing Are you sure now? Are you telling me the English celebrate St Georges Day like the Irish celebrate St Patrick's day? What did you do to celebrate last year? And you say it's culturally important? So what are the traditional ways you celebrate? What are these cultural traditions? I have no problem at all with being patriotic at all- I just think you know full well these celebrations were because of the Muslim marches. If not- send me some mass St Georges Day celebrations photos from down the years?

[@hewmanbeing]

@@ptv8113 I don’t have to prove anything to you nor do I have the patience to argue this with you. If you want to know why it’s culturally important then go and find out for yourself.

[@ptv8113]

@@hewmanbeing you don't have ''to prove anything' and you don't have time to 'argue' with me- ? What you mean to say is you have no answers and have given up because you are wrong. You seemed to have time to argue before you realized you were wrong. This big 'St George's Day celebrations' happened as a result of the marches and were a Muslim protest. Nothing to do with St George. None of these St George conversations or flag conversations would be happening if it weren't for the recent pro Palestinian marches.

[@Cherrytune386]

Yes its toxic, the flag now represents the far right & the national front! Ugh.

[@lesliescottw]

shut up bot

[@beehinde]

Instead of being a demoraliser she should embrace the flag of the country she lives in. It represents the left wing as well

[@clivewhalley4008]

Why do the English celebrate St Patricks Day and not this

[@ptv8113]

Marketing

[@alphafemme8154]

52? Could pass as mid - late 30s, looking great Narinda! 💜

[@saraheastham5527]

Full of Botox

[@onedayagogo]

make up can do anything

[@sallygarrington301]

A few moments of time i won't get nack !

[@amyclarke41]

i agree why cant we celebrate st Georges day ax

[@Bill-bo6er]

We were oppressed by the romans and the vikings….

[@peeg09]

Were the Scottish oppressed??? I understand the Irish.

[@user-jd5eb6gk7c]

No one on either side of this conversation brought anything in the form of an informed opinion and the presenters failed to mediate.

[@ptv8113]

Huh? The informed opinion is that the far right wing and football hooligans have adopted this flag. Been that way for decades. So therefore, when it's flown or displayed, it can be uncomfortable

[@leighannclements7849]

Bore off pt whatever ya name is 🙄

[@ptv8113]

@@leighannclements7849 So what are you proud of Leighann ? C'mon- have a quick discussion rather than just popping off

[@user-jd5eb6gk7c]

@@ptv8113 Fair enough. For me, the conversation barely scratched the surface of the flag's 800 year history. To suggest its cultural erassure based on a contempory ideological disagreement with some who have choosen to fly it for the last 50 years seems uninformed to me although, I will concede that it is an opinion.

[@ptv8113]

@@user-jd5eb6gk7c fair enough. And to be clear, I don't think it should be erased. I would love for it to be widely adopted and for that stain to be erased- I just don't know how. Because it's a myth that it's a very small minority. These days it's very strong symbolism attached to a very negative movement. You are correct about the history but most people don't know or care. It's hard to focus pride on events 600 years ago when the events of today are shoved in our faces every day. That's just human nature. There are many examples of flags that have become outdated. Such as the confederate flag in the US. Not saying it's exactly the same but the principle applies- in that It's heritage and history and how people viewed it many years ago does not in any way counteract the fact that these days it's used as a symbol of hate.

[@brawlerb2299]

Fact: St George wasn’t White or English. He was Palestinian.

[@katehillier1027]

❤St George’s Day❤

[@RaveyDavey]

Maybe have an official day off to celebrate like other countries do? Then would be the average person involved

[@leighannclements7849]

The average person was involved it was the police that caused the problems have seen plenty of evidence.

[@EveryonesAWinner]

The English weren’t oppressed! The vikings, the French, the Romans, the Dutch, etc, Germans nearly got here too in recent memory, for me Boudicca is a symbol of St George’s day.

[@1betterthan]

I also Love our Union Flag.

[@maryseddon4782]

St George's Day is for ALL English, regardless of their colour. If you live in England, and intend to settle in England, you're English. Why can't English be proud of being English? I'd never tell the Irish, Scots or Welsh that they have no right to be proud of where they come from. I'd never tell someone celebrating Eid that they're wrong to do that. I accept that everyone has a right to be proud of who they are, while still valuing the richness of the diversity of our country. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[@CP-dr7qy]

If you have to discuss if it’s become toxic newsflash it is toxic 😂

[@leighannclements7849]

No it’s not the police caused the trouble yesterday

[@Dan_Matwij]

Not necessarily

[@jackshepherd93]

Why did the police just randomly people You can see that they walked in between a group and then caused the pushing The reason that’s perfectly obvious is because no one was trying to fight the police The police went up to them Not the other way round There was an old women stood there who the police knocked over and the the man and his daughter Do you think they were kicking off with the police ? Stop being so gullible

[@BeridotSegas]

well..im relived you got two brown people on to debate the issue, glad you got that covered.. phew.

[@N0-PvP-Plz]

So we ain't allowed to be pround of my culture

[@ptv8113]

Of course you are. Are you proud of your 'culture' ? If so, then you are allowed to be proud of your culture. What you can't do is tell others they must think like you.

[@nopelindoputraperkasa5869]

Nice information Vidio 😮.. very inspiring and informative ❤

[@donnachamcgowan]

Never mind you still have St Patrick day 🇮🇪

[@dondraper2488]

Most far right wingers wear trousers,should they be banned too….

[@galvanicmass]

Just another day to make money.

[@AnthonyTaylor-gf4lq]

RACIST KAUR !

[@RobinClapton-qi4qy]

St George's Day demonstration???

[@SayemTabla]

Lee, the subservient coconut 🥥...

[@farhanzafar4241]

Well said Narinder

[@greatwhiteshark9192]

Yeah .laugh a minute she is!!

[@GRH_Roadhouse]

Shouting Shouting Shouting -Narinda Kaur Roadhouse

[@tomhermens7698]

Divisive.

[@bad209]

St George... the Palestinian born Turkish immigrant? That one

[@onedayagogo]

nope. a soldier in the Roman army, of Cappadocian Greek origin. try again bot...