How dependent is your country when it comes to lithium?
@JSM-bb80uАй бұрын
My country is china. So not much.😂
@lotus-chainАй бұрын
In this reality of life: Lithium production from Iran and Afghanistan! The EU and China have just stolen it...
@paulc6766Ай бұрын
Australia, not at all.
@tooltalkАй бұрын
@@JSM-bb80u China imports most lithium from Australia and Chile.
@komisiantikorupsikoruptord6257Ай бұрын
Indonesian just made from 70% world nickel
@unreliablenarrator6649Ай бұрын
China does not have an "overcapacity" of battery production. It is a net exporter of batteries, just as other countries are next exporters of other products. "Overcapacity" would be more than global demand. Also, China does not "just do it". Chinese have been working on battery technology for 3 decades, have leading technology and have highly automate production (a necessity for quality ad safety).
@tainechen1634Ай бұрын
Not to mention it was the government's version and funding saved today's king of battery when it was almost collapsed a decade ago.
@wenbo595Ай бұрын
And now they build closed loop by recycling lithium and other metals.
@aeroline11Ай бұрын
EU slam tariff on Chinese EV because of anti subsidy and overcapacity which are excuses to hide their own failure of slow reaction on EV. Why BYD successful? Everyone knows BYD was founded as battery company and they established the car manufacturing segment they were in disadvantage of producing ICE cars back then. But now the globe is about environment friendly and green to move to EV. This exactly benefit to BYD who produce their own battery and integrate into the EV car and they save the cost of buying battery from 3rd party.
@shenyun7195Ай бұрын
Has the EU already lost the lithium battery war? what a joke .Don't you know what level you are on? When did the EU become a competitor of China? A fictional competitor? China's real competitor is only LG SK from South Korea. The saddest thing for a person is to have no self-awareness.
@shenyun7195Ай бұрын
Has the EU already lost the lithium battery war? what a joke .Don't you know what level you are on? When did the EU become a competitor of China? A fictional competitor? China's real competitor is only LG SK samsung,from South Korea and Panasonic TOYOTA from Japan. The top 10 ,5 from China.The saddest thing for a person is to have no self-awareness.Just like the US never considered Myanmar a competitor, even making this film, they didn't want to open eyes to reality but rather chose to deceive themselves.
@CausticLemons7Ай бұрын
Europe: Says NO mining, NO processing, NO factories, NO changes! Also Europe: Why are the US and China growing but we're not?
@tooltalkАй бұрын
too many regulations.
@amandagrant4331Ай бұрын
To protect the environment, Europe can sacrifice all industries. I think this is right.
@blakoemailАй бұрын
@@amandagrant4331 wait until people get poor and hungry.
@BSPBuilderАй бұрын
Europe is not a country. That is a fundamental disadvantage.
@JhonUghАй бұрын
@@blakoemail 宁愿饿死,也要保护环境,这是环保主义者
@lukeecle117Ай бұрын
The USA has the overcapacity of dollar printing
@fatnlazychincАй бұрын
that, is real overcapacity!
@LANFAN110720 күн бұрын
best comment
@atifrehmanfarooqui142918 күн бұрын
The USA has overcapacity of Wars. Which benefits only the US weapon manufacturers and no one else.
@jonpaul386817 күн бұрын
Fact. They print Dollars out of what? All they have is violence (the military, the intel, and military industry) by threatening other nations.
@AugustusOmega13 күн бұрын
and checkers boards
@hugolizardАй бұрын
EU also has an overcapacity of wine and cheese.
@xinshao5202Ай бұрын
and idiot people
@EternalKhannАй бұрын
It's funny that Germans don't even realize how much state sponsored propaganda is done on their channels. Germany is deeply in trouble because of their lies.
@vornamenachname906Ай бұрын
I will fix this
@timiuАй бұрын
and democracy propaganda
@harrykumoro4335Ай бұрын
@@timiu EU overcapacity of gay and transgender 😂 so they trying to export it 😂
@haloforce1395Ай бұрын
It’s not just quantity coming out of china it’s the quality of the battery products as well china is doing an amazing job on innovation in the battery industry . They aren’t going to slow down either
@FabioCapelaАй бұрын
Yep. And, to compound the issues, batteries are one segment where improvements to both batteries and the manufacture tech makes not only for better products, but also for *cheaper* products; if you improve energy density by 25% without increasing costs, for example, this means you can drop your battery's physical size, weight, *and price* by a third without reducing its energy or cutting into your margins. Unless someone else can match China's R&D on Battery - a tall order, since China produces about two thirds of all high-quality research articles on battery tech in the world, and its largest battery makers are in a research consortium to improve the efficiency of their research - then China will maintain a commanding lead.
@tooltalkАй бұрын
China is mostly about cheap, low-end LFP batteries. China's competitive advantage is their dominance in the global raw material/mineral supply-chain. They are still limited by the fact that Japan and South Korea most of lithium ion battery IP -- not to mention there is a looming IP patent war in the East which will soon spill over to the EU.
@FabioCapelaАй бұрын
@@tooltalk China holds the majority of the *new* patents on lithium-ion batteries, though, as well as the lead on the *impactful* patents; this means as patents expire China is poised to become the uncontested leader in battery IP, even for older chemistries like lithium ion. It already is for newer chemistries; China has more people researching batteries than any other country, perhaps even more battery research people than the rest of the world added together (a natural reflection of the fact China takes in more than half the global revenue from battery sales). China is also forcing local companies to cooperate and share some battery research, which improves the efficiency of said research. And research in China is naturally cheaper than in the US, EU, or Japan (I'm not sure where Korea stands on research costs). Also, LFP was only truly low-end back before China got into the business of researching and improving it; now it has energy densities lower (though close) to that of NMC, but in exchange is more durable, safer, charges faster, emits less heat, and can provide more instant power. I frankly wouldn't even consider a car that didn't use LFP batteries, given the advantages of the chemistry; an NMC battery EV might have a slightly longer range, but an LFP one would be better in absolutely everything else.
@tainechen1634Ай бұрын
@tooltalk lithium ion battery is an outdated technology by today's standards, because it has lesser energy density, it needs metal packaging and it burns very easy.
@vervetech9395Ай бұрын
Yeah. China has patented LFP battery tech
@LanguslangusАй бұрын
Pressuring Serbia to destroy its enviorment just to save EU buisiness is just down right evil.
@OttovonostbahnhofАй бұрын
Hey they have been doing that for decades, where have you been?
@thato596Ай бұрын
Yes that is evil. That is why serbia people they are fighting that
@LanguslangusАй бұрын
@@Ottovonostbahnhof i have been saying this wery thing when EU meddles in others internal affairs
@ttuliorancaoАй бұрын
@@Languslangus lol, where have you been all those years? This is the European modus operandi since the Age of Discovery. They never, ever, did anything but force poorer nations to suffer for their bennefit
@hornnpeterАй бұрын
@@Languslangus Just like every country.
@networm78Ай бұрын
Europe worried about dependence on China for lithium or Russia for energy, but has no problem being dependent on the US for its military and energy.
@hyrenaj2888Ай бұрын
50% of lithium mined in Australia, 70-90% of lithium processed in China, 75% of battery manufacturing in Europe owned by Koreans, and thumbnail shows China... OK edit: just finished watching it and China's barely even mentioned, very briefly a few times... come on
@ChuckNorrizzedАй бұрын
It’s clickbait to get Europeans hot and bothered
@Ludak021Ай бұрын
It's like Lord Voldemort, one does not just invoke their name, out of fear.
@JaceWDАй бұрын
@@Ludak021 exactly, typical propafunda to make one side the baaaaad guy again.
@willie_west27 күн бұрын
I don't understand what your point is. Australia and South Korea are allies, but even with them there is a negligible amount of battery manufacturing in Europe. China is totally dominating the game, and that's the issue for the West. The video wasn't great, but it's fairly obvious why China is used in the thumbnail
@jiachen252624 күн бұрын
@@willie_west he is saying China is the real winner, and this video sounds like the other way around
@jemler3speakАй бұрын
Imagine work and invest hard in the past 3 decades and succeeded in the leading position, some sore losers came to your face and saying they lost the "war", you be like "wut?" That's how China feels when they watch this hot air story
@ganzhishijieАй бұрын
有一点点吧😅
@chjin1796Ай бұрын
@@ganzhishijie 中国:怎么你就输了,我和你打过吗
@cia5649Ай бұрын
"working" would be a stretch since china is wildly known to steal tech from other foreign companies and countries
@AMeierhoeferАй бұрын
China and USA did the investments and now EU is punishing China with tariffs for BEV's which have the batteries in them. China decided to stop investing in factories for Europe as soon as the tariffs where activated. Europe is killing itself form within and if it were to provide the funding there is no way to make a claim that the funding form the Chinese or US governments are not allowed while the one form Eu would be ok.
@鄧楠-z6sАй бұрын
There's two super-idiots in Europe,Ursula von der Leyen and Annalena Baerbock
@TheGoodDrEvilАй бұрын
The competition isn’t over lithium batteries. It’s over batteries. Lithium based is just the must popular type currently. Doesn’t mean it’s the only option.
@DWPlanetAАй бұрын
Yes, there are also sodium-ion batteries 👉kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y6fSk4CiatGXhdU
@Foersom_Ай бұрын
Na-ion batteries stores less energy per kg, so they are not a good choice for EVs, but a good choice for stationary storage. Variations of Li-ion batteries will continue to be best option for EVs.
@TheGoodDrEvilАй бұрын
@@Foersom_ for the foreseeable future. For the mainstream: yes. We’ll see what the future brings. Lithium is important but not the only horse in the race.
@SuperAti15Ай бұрын
@@Foersom_ Yes they do store less energy than lithium ion. But already enough to power an EV. If we're looking for a solution that is environmentally friendly and politicly safe, and we want to keep using cars (although trains / bikes are so much better) - then we have to impose tempo 100km/h on highways like the Dutch did + stop thinking an EV has to accelerate to 100km/h in 3 or 2 seconds and produce 700HP. That's stupid. All we need is a clean individual transport solution from A to B. With as little environmental footprint as possible. 💁♂️
@tooltalkАй бұрын
It is very much about battery raw materials.
@MGZettaАй бұрын
EU can't even give Serbia a membership but already planning to use and milk it. 😂
@alexpavlov3535Ай бұрын
Standard approach
@xr2kidАй бұрын
Yeah that's the point of an economic bloc to assert dominance over other markets and have them begging for access
@milanlabus1582Ай бұрын
The reason they dont give membership is to neo colonise it
@FlavortownGАй бұрын
We will see
@tonyrogers5469Ай бұрын
Serbia is lucky that they didn’t steal from them, YET!
@TheBielrangelАй бұрын
Sadly the EU is the winner at losing. If we at least tried to follow draghi's plan, then we could maybe compete with the US and China. Sadly we keep the idea of irrational austerity, so we're doomed to keep failing.
@unatwomey7112Ай бұрын
He'd be a lot better than von der Leyen. But a German chancellor with a vision would be a start.
@vlhc4642Ай бұрын
There is no irrational austerity, there is only poverty and poor people who has delusions of wealth.
@TheBielrangelАй бұрын
@@vlhc4642 if you undertood that by irrational austerity I was referring to a person, then you already got the comment wrong. Yes, there is irrational austerity and despite all my critics of the US, this is something they know damn well will hurt their economy, so they never do. Look at Germany(and other EU countries) during 2008 and the US. Compare our answers to the crisis and you can see the result, it's staggerig.
@vlhc4642Ай бұрын
@@TheBielrangel There is no separate European response, the response was coordinated, US and EU can't both print trillions and not have massive inflation, Europe had to adopt austerity for US printing to work. Both US and EU run massive trade deficits and produces less and less things of value, its the collective west that's broke with have delusions of wealth.
@frankf8404Ай бұрын
Screaming about an austerity while the average budget deficit across the block tops 3% of GDP is actually insane. Get help.
@vlhc4642Ай бұрын
There is no lithium battery war, EU didn't lose anything because EU never even qualified to compete. Europe's problem is total ignorance of the subject matter: - Lithium mineral is cheap, it's not about the mineral, its about the processing and the processing technology - Its not about money, it's about knowing what to spend on, there is literally nobody in Europe, not in government, not in think tanks, not anywhere, who knows what to invest in. - Europe wants quick solutions when nothing is quick, China didn't invest in batteries and EVs yesterday. - China operates on meritocracy, Europe operates as a corruption aristocracy under a facade of democracy, until Europe solve their corruption problem, no competent leaders will ever come to power and no long term plans can ever be made.
@globanxietyАй бұрын
chillout wumao
@lONlQАй бұрын
@@globanxiety🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@skyace9386Ай бұрын
China operates on meritocracy? CCP support and loyalty is not important, but intelligence and capability are, right? What a joke.
@tky0414Ай бұрын
@@globanxiety too bad your 1.6b funding is gone. hahaha
@JaceWDАй бұрын
spitting facts
@tride.designАй бұрын
Europe should be focused on recycling lithium, not on mining lithium.
@malysevАй бұрын
good idea, but that would increase the price of recycling which has its downsides too if places like china will be able to recycle cheaper
@KevinLydaАй бұрын
The problem is that there's not much to recycle. EV batteries are lasting longer than predicted.
@The8BitPianistАй бұрын
@@KevinLyda By the time efforts to upscale recycling start showing, there'll be enough stocks of material I'd wager
@nihitagrawal05Ай бұрын
As I am into this business of lithium & EV, I would like to inform you that recycled lithium doesn't have enough energy left which increases the electricity consumption to fully charge a battery, slower down the battery capacity & battery discharges faster
@SuperAti15Ай бұрын
or developing alternatives. Sodium etc. Lithium might well be German of early semiconductors industry. Before anyone had time to worry who has German and who don't it was replaced with silicone chips 💁♂️
@ket7926Ай бұрын
the same story is in Romania the main problem is that you want to mine a country's natrual resources using a foreign company. Guess where most of the profits will go? Yeah... definetly not to the country...
@goodlife627727 күн бұрын
@@willie_westThe bot again...
@cornelcristea-166020 күн бұрын
Yes and not! The problem is that Romania has a higher corruption level. Let's thinking on the best case where theoretically, Romanian does not have a corruption leading: If a foreign company will open a mine on Romania, basically it will open jobs for the people. Then the people will pay taxes from their salary to the Romania state. In other words, the foreign company pay taxes to Romania state and with this money, Romania can become a developed country. Another best case (it's a dream with eyes opened), Romania can invest and create its own company for this kind of mine and we will export our "product" to the other countries and in this way, the Romania will be an important country in EU and the other countries will be happy that can buy a product made in EU, but this thing is possible in a country that has a small corruption level, so not in Romania.
@dic-pr9unАй бұрын
10:53 The China Gov not "just does it", they consult or convince the locals if it is about mining. There are many cases that the local reject building of sewage plant or nuclear plant. So, don't under-estimate others effort and over exaggerate your own difficulties. Also, the so-called "over-capacity" of battery in China is a joke. Car manufacturers purchase from China battery companies, because of the high qualify and lower price, EU is welcome to make your own battery, noboby bans you from that.
@swastikbasu8972Ай бұрын
Europe will spend this century moping around as "unfair victims" (talk about irony) while they slip into oblivion. This is the century of East Asia, this is the century of rational, objective, non-religious approach, relegating the manipulative West into the dustbins of history.
@niceone145615 күн бұрын
You can’t wake up those who pretend they are sleeping
@Calmnen12 күн бұрын
The most different part between China and EU is citizens of former is easily “persuade”,but this kind of situations won’t remain for longer than 30 years now
@ZemajАй бұрын
I’d say this to Serbia’s Bojana Novakovic (timestamp 5:12): Australia’s national economy is largely dependent on being one very large export mining pit. Its mining companies (Rio Tinto et al) pay only lip-service to indigenous Aboriginal culture, agricultural and horticultural land rights, social and environmental concerns, etc. But they basically bankroll governments of all political persuasions at both state and federal levels. So they reign supreme.
@saellenx3528Ай бұрын
Your nation is as big as Europe. If they mine somewhere with no people in close proximity, it's not a problem at all. Serbia is small and they mine near villages where people live. Mining this material is extremely toxic and it ruins underground water, air, wildlife, etc. Why doesn't Germany mine its own lithium?
@ricardoxavier827Ай бұрын
@@saellenx3528 EU has megadamms potential, onshore and offshore wind potential, and solar potential, enough, to become 100% green hydrogen economy all year. Totaly independent from the rest of the world. And the existing natural gaz pipelines, the majority can be converted to distribute the hydrogen between all the EU members. Hydrogen can be used for all types of vehicles, including aviation, and for heating as well. It has domestic and industrial use. Hydrogen economy. 100% independent from the rest of the world. Only need energy and sea water (fresh water even better).
@dzonikgАй бұрын
Corrupt government ,EU and RIo TInto want mine here
@seanlander9321Ай бұрын
What a tremendous amount of twaddle. You’re delusional.
@SonnyDarvishАй бұрын
@@ricardoxavier827 We're at an era of disassembling dams since they destroy or change ecosystems dramatically. Any fancy tech like Hydrogen has issues of its own, like cost, scalability, safety, etc. Otherwise, there are so many theoretically amazing possibilities.
@gregoryb6Ай бұрын
Misprint at 8:38, narrator says battery factory in Europe is 50 times more expensive - text says 50 percent. Other than that, its a realistic view of Europe's prosperity and how we keep it for ourselves.
@onceuponatimeandspaceАй бұрын
A pretty concerning typo, to be honest. We could spot it because they provided the source on screen, but what kinds of evidence did they get wrong that they didn't show?
@antred11Ай бұрын
@@onceuponatimeandspace Sadly, that's the kind of thoroughness and quality of "journalism" one has to expect in this day and age.
@peter.g6Ай бұрын
Wow, thanks for pointing it out. I wasn't looking at the screen at that moment and wondered how that could be possible. It's insane someone says that out loud without noticing there's probably a mistake.
@oyuyuyАй бұрын
@@antred11 You suck man
@VideomorgueАй бұрын
Maybe that missing 4950% were the friends we made along the way?
@06howea1Ай бұрын
Those freaking disposable vapes
@dogbreath6974Ай бұрын
Not just vapes, but lithium AA,AAA, use once then throw away.
@AndreasDelleskeАй бұрын
@@dogbreath6974I have never seen them. It would make no sense as AA has 1.5, LiFePO4 has 3.2 volts.
@dogbreath6974Ай бұрын
@@AndreasDelleskeI was not referring to Evs, but AA,AAA batterys in general electronics, like torch/flashlight, kids toys etc.
@unknownman5090Ай бұрын
@@dogbreath6974 I am surprise everything not rechargeable this day
@johnzach2057Ай бұрын
@@dogbreath6974 Yeah. Non reusable lithium batteries should just be banned immediately. No questions asked.
@rohitmishra670Ай бұрын
The EU in the past used to(still do, just not to Russia) depend on energy (fuel and gas) on foreign countries and now it's the same for batteries. . In the past century it feels like the EU has been systematically de-industrialized and made more and more dependent on foreign countries for critical resources.
@rzpogiАй бұрын
It's copying the crappy US model on focusing more on services rather than industry. No wonder Norway doesn't want to join the EU as they want a robust industry and resource extraction, and the EU would just suck them dry once they got in.
@AmAmtrak5136Ай бұрын
That's how developed nations tend to be. Deindustrialize, offload your industries onto poorer nations with cheaper labor, and then complain about them doing most of the polluting
@suddenly_radical4558Ай бұрын
Private companies moved away their production becouse they didn't want to deal with labour unions and to have super profits.
@margeert3952Ай бұрын
I agree with the speaker in the video: we have exported our polluting industries to other countries, we profit from cheap, unsafe labor elsewhere and then the conclusion is of course that we are too expensive! We must include environmental and social cost for products entering our market.
@GoodCitizen-gm1tlАй бұрын
In Europe, only Germany is still revelant in tangible manufacturing and hi-tech industries, the others like Britain, France, Italy... are all de-industrialized to the degree they sell virtual financial services like stocks and insurance products as well as pharmaceuticals (Britain), tourism, perfumes, overvalued LV bags (France), pizza, pasta, macroni and tourism (Italy) ...... They are not relevant with the tangible hi-tech industries, especially the emerging hi-tech ones in the 21st century. Australia and New Zealand are just agricultural countries that sell sheep wools, mutton, beef, milk powder and earth minerals. Canada is...sorry, never heard of any hi-tech companies or even any products from Canada, it has a poor sense of presence when talking about technologies and stuffs. Japan is still somewhat a strong player but it is stagnant for too long and it's becoming not very competitive in more and more industries facing South Korea and China's tech rise. South Korea is increasingly competitive in hi-tech but in the emerging ones like AI, EV, automatic driving, brain-computer interface, quantum, 6G..., it is still largely irrelavant, the real black horse is China. China and the US are the true players in these emerging and disruptive technologies that will shape the future. So far, the US lacks industrial power in conventional hi-tech industries like shipbuidling, steel-making, semiconductor manufacturing, trucks, cranes and heavy machines manufacturing and others. China, on the other hand, is becoming a full-MVP player in both conventional and disruptive high technologies.
@TheUrosm1982Ай бұрын
Rio Tinto, get out from Serbia! NO to lithium mining in Serbia!
@sxyrx7Ай бұрын
as the video says its time. i will happen one day
@TheUrosm1982Ай бұрын
@sxyrx7 Many things in history should have happened, but didn't...
@luka-q4tАй бұрын
Based
@davelee4464Ай бұрын
Oh dont worry, EU know what they were doing in the 90s to Serbia. They will do it again.
@JayTse-x7l28 күн бұрын
If China wants the mining rights, Serbia will comply.
@otkrivanjeistorijeАй бұрын
You will not mine lithium in Serbia, you are not even aware of how stubborn the Serbian people are. All the money you gave the Serbian government to lobby for Rio Tinto is for nothing. The vast majority is against it.
@margeert3952Ай бұрын
Serbia likes Russia… wait until Putin is your president… there will not be protests.
@agentswaggerbchannelАй бұрын
Sounds like Serbia isn’t opposed to lithium mining, they’re opposed to the VERY REAL negative impacts from the current plans with mining. The company who wants to mine so badly should invest more money to make sure the mine doesn’t impact local residents. If they deem this impossible (too expensive in their opinion), then I guess they don’t really need to mine that badly after all.
@anhedonie92Ай бұрын
I don't think that is possible. We simply don't trust our government enough with something this important.
@tainechen1634Ай бұрын
EU membership will do the trick, but ofc it won't happen.
@rodclaude-s9fАй бұрын
I shouldn't be a foreign company that only care about profit in the first place.
@ChuckNorrizzedАй бұрын
Europe should continue what it does best, serving and catering to tourists
@QiushishuoАй бұрын
When European and American products flood in China for decades, no overcapacity issue. But now...
@Suburp212Ай бұрын
The EU should already be making sodium batteries. But the sleepyheads in the EU also slept through this new development.
@humanbassАй бұрын
They are ok, but still inferior to lithium. Who will buy expensive european EVs with worse batteries than the cheaper and better chinese EVs?
@YeTao-i4vАй бұрын
China leads there as well..
@BSPBuilderАй бұрын
Guess who is the leader in Sodium batteries? 🤣🤣
@larryc1616Ай бұрын
CATL
@vlhc4642Ай бұрын
China's advantage comes from battery technology including processing technology. It doesn't matter if its sodium or lithium, China's lead is invariant of the base mineral. If anything sodium is even worse because at least lithium used to be expensive and China has the pay the same as everyone else. With sodium competitiveness is entirely reliant on tech, which maximizes China's advantage.
@tfylhkАй бұрын
DW is not BBC and CNN, you shouldn't serve the interest of US, you have to serve the interest of your own country and understand what is cooperation rather than war
@FabioCapelaАй бұрын
Chinese overcapacity claims are a red herring, none of the telltale signs of overcapacity are present in their battery industry (other than the fall in prices, which has other reasons). Battery prices have been falling consistently *and* quickly for over three decades as the tech improves - meaning this has been happening since *before* China started manufacturing most of the world's batteries - and they are expected to keep falling for the foreseeable future. One kWh of battery storage cost $7500 back in 1991, now it can be had in China for less than $50. Anyone who invests money on battery manufacturing expecting prices to somehow "recover" as the "overcapacity" solves itself is in for a harsh reality check and steep loses. Also, putting tariffs on batteries is a stupid move. Making batteries more expensive means all your downstream products that use batteries become less competitive; this would require also slapping tariffs on every imported good that uses batteries to prevent the local industry from collapsing (and dragging the battery industry that was supposed to be protected with it), and would still result in losing most of the export market for everything that uses batteries as outside your home market you would need to compete with products made with the cheaper batteries without the protection of tariffs.
@leoryan1001Ай бұрын
I think the EU is too emotionally sensitive. All countries are parts of the globalization, for example, China provides the best lithium batteries, the EU provide the best electrical motors. I think cooperation is still the theme of the future.
@Alex-f3m4tАй бұрын
European potatoes are just awesome. Also Europe can do great milk and buy the cars and machinery from China. When you don't innovate for decades that's what happens.
@SheyD7824 күн бұрын
Not likely. No one is seriously interested in cooperation, least of all China. It intends to dominate the global economy and replace the US by gaining control of the global battery market. If EVs replace combustion vehicles, the oil which links to the US dollar becomes irrelevant to some degree, and batteries and the materials to make them become the new oil. How long it takes for a winner to come out on top remains to be seen but thanks to DJT's promise to invest in fossil fuels it won't be the US, and Europe isn't even in the running. It's a shame we here in Australia didn't get into refinement in a big way given how much of the raw materials we have, but our government has always been pitifully short-sighted. We ship the raw materials overseas and buy back refined/manufactured products at 10x the price. First from Japan, then Korea, now largely China. The western world has been happy to abuse workers in poorer countries to boost profits and eventually we'll reap the rewards of such poor planning.
@OlJackBurton14 күн бұрын
EU provided the best electrical motors, past tense. not anymore. not to mention they don't control the supply chain of the rare earths necessary to make electrical motors...
@cte4dotaАй бұрын
If Rio Tinto is normal company and care about nature and people and have some standards maybe mining would be possible, but they are huge greedy company that destroy everything in process. Everyone knows that so everyone is against them and their mining in Serbia.
@RichardKing-sx6xcАй бұрын
Keep them out of Serbia.
@amandagrant4331Ай бұрын
Rio Tinto only cares about their profits.
@eddyd8745Ай бұрын
I think that in the future recycling old batteries will be a significant factor.
@slavonic_historyАй бұрын
Not likely its too expensive, Chinese cars are alredy much cheaper and with recycled batteries they will be even more cheaper. Would you buys German 50 000 dollars car if same size and quality Chinese car is 15 000?
@ricardoxavier827Ай бұрын
For cellphones and laptops, yes. For cars and trucks and planes, no. Its better the hydrogen way. More energy dense and light, and infinite source, so no nation of the world can monopoly hydrogen, because to produce hydrogen we only need sea water and electricity. Anything that can be controlled, can be manipulated to stay scarce. Scarcity value are the game of the economic monopolies, and hydrogen blocks that psycopaths world monopoly plans..
@tooltalkАй бұрын
recycling won't be a big factor until 10-15 years down the road.
@slavonic_historyАй бұрын
@@tooltalk recycling is a big scam
@tooltalkАй бұрын
@@slavonic_history : battery recycling is fairly common, even for non-lithium batteries.
@erroredhackerАй бұрын
Europe wants its continental local environmental preservation cake and eat cheap batteries too, lmao. Get used to material dependence, prepare to pay out for local manufacture, or accept destruction of local landscape. There is no clean heavy industry, wake up from your armchairs.
@HighollowАй бұрын
"Europe" is not a hivemind, it's some 450 million people spread over a double dozen countries. And yes, it wants to preserve its environment while not depending on imports for all its materials and manufacturing. Combining the two is hard, but I find it misleading to pretend that this is an either/or situation.
@amandagrant4331Ай бұрын
In fact, the most environmentally friendly way is to de-industrialize. Politicians always pretend not to know.
@unatwomey7112Ай бұрын
Yeah, desalination can generate freshwater and sodium for batteries that need abundant non toxic components. With proper planning, people can have their cake and eat it. New desalination methods can produce water cheaper than traditional tap water. It's funded by China and created by MIT. Europe lost a lot of innovation to the US inflation reduction act. And we will need rewilded areas that can contain excessive water so that they don't burn in dry periods or flood in storms.
@ain92ruАй бұрын
Yes, and I would also add the energy costs problem touched on in the video. Heavy industry needs consistent and cheap energy, which is either achieved by local fossil fuels (natural gas in MENA countries, USA, Russia and Argentina, coal in China) or some combination of hydro, nuclear and small/rare population (Scandinavian countries and Paraguay). None of that is feasible for any EU country south of Sweden because renewables are variable as of now, not a base load
@wolfgangpreier9160Ай бұрын
@@Highollow ""Europe" is not a hivemind" Yes and that means it will be the end of industrialization and prospertity in Europe. If we do not start to "hive mind" then the Africans will take over from us. Or the middle east.
@DY-fy2jh26 күн бұрын
EU lost it a decade ago, can’t believe this is still a question for some people
@CrownRiderАй бұрын
Lithium is not the only solution for storage batteries. In fact Sodium has so much better properties for the application. Sodium is widely available in Europe and very helpful in using excess power from wind and solar.
@unatwomey7112Ай бұрын
There's a new desalination method that can produce water cheaper than traditional tap water with much less energy. MIT research funded by China.
@backpackpepelon3867Ай бұрын
That's the reason why CN is heavily investing in sodium battery technology, perhaps more than anyone else. They will not give up their massive lead easily.
@fungo6631Ай бұрын
But that would make China angry and as a result it will flood Europe with fentanyl.
@ricardoxavier827Ай бұрын
The best energy bateries are actualy riverdamms.
@ab-ym3bfАй бұрын
Exactly, there are so many alternatives like sand, water, salt etc. Lithium is just very well suited for EV's at the moment, hence the hype.
@Nikoo033Ай бұрын
Is it me or there was no correlation between current lithium extraction sites (north Europe, Poland, Romania, Greece) and the actual lithium “favorability index map”? 😅 If anything, the largest spot is right in the middle of France, which was not addressed here.😅 What’s going on?
@umutbadak28 күн бұрын
yes you are right. It may be favorability and do-ability difference.
@horserousАй бұрын
It can take decades for new battery electrochemistry to become commercial. In the early 1980s, the white coat people first developed lithium materials, Spinels NMC, that sort of thing. A decade later, Sony did some great stuff after the patent transfer, commercializing them in the 1990s. Fast forward to today, we are still improving them through engineering.
@ResizeFilms7 күн бұрын
Portugal has plenty of lithium reserves. But locals will have to get compensated to accept the mining, as it should. The EU really needs to catch up on the battery industry, it’s essential for its economic future.
@malcolm8564Ай бұрын
Seems very silly to use lithium for stationary batteries just like it's silly to make massive powerful cars.
@DWPlanetAАй бұрын
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@crslunguАй бұрын
The perspective is the most important. We have to focus on how we can make it, not on why we can’t make it.
@biulaimh309729 күн бұрын
I would love to buy an EV. I believe in value for money so if there were no tarifs on Chinese EVs, I would buy one. But because there are tariffs on Chinese EVs, I am more likely to buy a German EV, eventually. But why not now? Well, before I can buy a car, I first want to buy a house and here in Ireland our housing market has been rigged by the government which borrowed 200 billion euro from the ECB to inflate house prices. Unless and until house prices are allowed to resume the market correction our government interupted in 2012, I will not be buying a house, a car or anything other than gold, silver and investments outside to eurozone. If free marketeering is allowed back to Europe, then I will buy a EV, notwithstanding the fact that I would prefer the option of an untariffed Chinese one.
@DonHrvatoАй бұрын
Labour costs are high in western Europe, but cheap in eastern Europe so that is not an argument of you see the EU for real as one and not fragmented protectionism
@HighollowАй бұрын
>"8:28: China's projected 2030 capacity is about 4 TWh, which means the reace might already be over." What race? The EU only wants a _strategic_ reserve/production of Lithium and batteries. This is not a race to the moon, is it? I don't like the tone of this video, it's all over the place, discusses every challenge in a negative tone and all without discussing the trade-offs of each decision that needs to be made.
@johnjingleheimersmith9259Ай бұрын
They can spend untold billions on agriculture subsidies and other nonsense but none on lithium? Just get do it and be done with it.
@unatwomey7112Ай бұрын
@@johnjingleheimersmith9259it's not just lithium. There's a whole infrastructure and planning deficit that needs a coordinated plan, not piecemeal patchwork. Desalination x sodium batteries. Solid state batteries. Manufacturing - we lost a lot of start-ups to the US a couple of years ago. Infrastructure, emergency response resources. Education for the future, retraining. If we did what China is doing in batteries and manufacturing, we'd do it better. We need bravery that we do not have in our current crop of leaders or wannabe leaders.
@joem008817 күн бұрын
EU has to forget batteries. Lost. Start building your H2 infrastructure.
@seanlee3863Ай бұрын
China: wait you're in the lithium war? As in you're competing? Who are you again?
@DemocracyDecodedАй бұрын
By the time they catch up with Lithium China would've standardized sodium ion batteries in every car around the globe. What use is Lithium if Sodium ion is better in every way, you know cheaper, safer, more energy efficient, maybe they should focus on that instead to get ahead of the curve.
@jakuborvos1575Ай бұрын
sodium cannot be better than lithium bateries in terms of performance due to physical limitations and simply higher weight of sodium (weight per electron transferred). It is too heavy for longer range vehicles. For simple uses in commuter minicars or stationary storage more than OK, for higher end EV´s - not so much.
@Broodjemetbeleg23 күн бұрын
solid state batteries. mass production in 2 years time according to china.
@MrARock001Ай бұрын
The neat thing about the atmosphere, is that it doesn't give a shit which country makes the batteries which lower emissions.
@grsafranАй бұрын
It would be cheaper and quicker for the EU to accept Chinese batteries without tariffs or obstacles. The sooner and cheaper way to a carbon free future is so much more important than what future climate change will bring.
@anthonyfn11 күн бұрын
Instead of investing in mining. The EU should invest in recycling. There's probably already a higher concentration of lithium the in waste bin than in the ground.
@JossyFoopАй бұрын
European industry is cooked.
@UtokoАй бұрын
It is a natural to rely on other countries, provided that there is no intention of engaging in warfare. There are, in fact, 100 other ways in which the EU are interdependent. The focus should be on the development of industry. The EU is currently preoccupied with catching up with other countries after the fact, which is an indication that it is stuck in its ways.
@tooltalkАй бұрын
China is mercantilist.
@austinphillip2164Ай бұрын
Calling someone who doesn't want a giant open mine and waste chemicals in their water a "NIMBY" is crazy work.
@carloon7612Ай бұрын
I live in Australia and the Pilbara region is rich in lithium but my understanding is a large percentage goes to Chinese battery manufacturers
@erickanterАй бұрын
EU has an over capacity of whining crybabies and warmongers.
@AmerBoyoАй бұрын
I can answer that… Yes! What our politicians and companies have been doing is beyond me.
@jacksmith-mu3eeАй бұрын
They were busy creating tensions with china
@tride.designАй бұрын
Thanks DW for mentioning the situation in Serbia and shameful acts of EU that ignores the will of Serbian people.
@verygoodbrotherАй бұрын
Serbia is not part of the EU. It is the Serbian government doing a u-turn to give Rio-Tinto (a British-Australian company) a mining licence.
@margeert3952Ай бұрын
Wait until you’re part of Russia…
@LanguslangusАй бұрын
Not the Gov. DW misrepressented that part, it was the courts that overturned the gov decision.
@miguelghsАй бұрын
What you said makes no sense.
@PeregArBagolАй бұрын
"And France's very creatively named "lithium de France" " 😂😂
@theblackwithin3457Ай бұрын
2:52 - you can just asume any and all projects having any involvement by Von Der Leyen as "failed by design". this persons whole career consists of "completely and utterly screwing up a topic she knows nothing about, and getting promoted away to a place where she hopefully can't do as much harm".
@amandagrant4331Ай бұрын
Ursula works for Biden not EU people
@unatwomey7112Ай бұрын
Merkel got rid of her after a scandal and it's Merkels lasting legacy. She fails upwards.
@antalito3047Ай бұрын
In Hungary, they built quite a few battery plants. The issue is that making batteries is a very water intensive process and Hungary is already prone to drought. People protested but of course the lovely government pushed it through. We’ll see the environmental impact in a few years…
@tooltalkАй бұрын
From what I hear the labor situation is quite tight in Hungary -- along with Poland, has some of the lowest unemployment rate in the EU zone.
@ipconfigerАй бұрын
So, you Europeans have fallen into a strange loop. In order to protect the environment, you can't mine, and since mining is expensive, you can't afford to invest in factories. Without factories, there is no production capacity, and without production capacity, electric cars are expensive. Expensive electric cars mean fewer people buy them, and fewer electric cars mean batteries aren't used, creating a deadlock. Now that there are cheap batteries from China, it seems that instead of promoting electric vehicles for environmental reasons, it's China and the United States that are pushing them forward. What's Europe doing? Especially France and Italy, who always think they're the most environmentally friendly, but when it comes to promoting electric vehicles, they suddenly talk about protecting their own automotive industry. As a result, they end up taxing Chinese electric vehicles, making them even more expensive, even fewer people buy them, and what was already a small lithium battery industry becomes even more萎缩. In the end, they suffer the consequences themselves. The EU always portrays China as a dragon from an American perspective, but in fact, they are fighting against the dragon they imagine, while the United States is actually bleeding them dry behind the scenes.
@FattymcstattyMcormick-pv6pjАй бұрын
Poor serbia, always the bridesmaid but never the bride.
@adikurnia5364Ай бұрын
they trying to extort indonesia last year, and they sue us on WTO from refusing to give our resources/mining export
@tooltalkАй бұрын
export control is a big no no.
@juergenschmid00912 күн бұрын
We treat everything as war, great mentality.
@DanBurgaudАй бұрын
Sorry EU, you are too late in the Lithium War. But you could power your EV with Hopium.
@firdaus99031Ай бұрын
Or copium😂
@unatwomey7112Ай бұрын
Other countries don't have the manufacturing reputation for safety. Its a matter of trust. The European countries will respond. My bets on Poland as the starter. And lithium is only good for cars and phones.
@devroombagchus7460Ай бұрын
I do not think that labour is expensive in Europe. Workers are just paid a fair wage, unlike in many other regions.
@amandagrant4331Ай бұрын
Europe can import low-cost labor from Africa.
@davidk.d.7591Ай бұрын
The EU is one of the wealthiest regions in the world. Its unreasonable to expect middle income countries to have salaries that are as high. They wouldn't be middle income if they did
@marvinafonso7713Ай бұрын
Middle children catching strays in this video😭
@KarlosEPMАй бұрын
Not stray or indirect at all. But hey, aren't we used to these unnecessary humilliations?
@edgeribbleАй бұрын
@@KarlosEPM Tbh the stereotype is just not true
@dieg000nАй бұрын
Europe is a fantastic place to vacation and Tech R&D, but not for heavy industries anymore. Electricity cost is high, renewables potential is limited, the workforce is rapdly getting old. There is no surprise, manufacturing anything is more competitive in US, China/Southeast Asia and probably South America.
@iulian2548Ай бұрын
Current lithium batteries are in no way environmently friendly, safe or cost effective. We need to develop new battery chemistry to make EVs worthwhile. The thermal run away issue only deters me from considering an EV. And the total environmental footprint of a new EV convinced me that driving fewer km on my current regular car is a more sensible choice. City driving at rush hour should be seriously taxed even for EVs.
@unatwomey7112Ай бұрын
That's where something like the US inflation reduction act would help. The game is not over because the makers of safe reliable batteries will win out but European countries have no leaders who will lead.
@FabioCapelaАй бұрын
Thermal runaway is mainly an issue with NMC and similar chemistries, it's not much of an issue for LFP chemistries. An NMC battery pierced by a nail (worst case scenario for a battery) is likely to explode, a modern LFP battery mostly just smolders for a bit. And even NMC chemistries are on the average safer than a car with a fuel tank (which includes hybrids); the chance of a car with a fuel tank catching fire by itself is dozens of times more than that of an EV with an NMC battery catching fire. Bottom line, if you want safety, you are much better with a car equipped with an LFP battery than with an ICE car. The thing about LFP, though, is that modern LFP batteries are very much a Chinese tech; China took a tech from the 90s that western companies didn't want to use, made a deal allowing local companies to freely use and improve the tech as long as they refrained from exporting it until the early 2020s, and improved it to the point it's better in almost everything than the NMC chemistries western companies still favor.
@iulian2548Ай бұрын
@FabioCapela I am an insurance professional so quite aware of the risks. LFP is too recent technology and has to prove itself. NMC are predominant and IMO very risky in case of physical damage or self inflicted runaway . To conclude, the future is electric, but I find this haste towards a flawed battery technology undue.
@FabioCapelaАй бұрын
@@iulian2548 LFP is already the dominating tech in China (and in countries where most of the EVs are Chinese, so most of the world except for G7, EU, and their closest allies). In fact, due to the sheer volume of EVs sold in China, we are already past the point where most new EVs globally come with LFP batteries. It's already a proven tech, the only reason it doesn't see more widespread use in countries that see China as a strategic rival is that nearly all of the expertise in building them, as well as most of the patents for the tech, are in the hands of Chinese entities. And while a fire in an NMC-equipped EV is much harder to contain, the chance of that fire happening in the first time is much lower. Data from US insurance companies puts the chance of an EV in the US (and, thus, with NMC batteries) catching fire at roughly 1/60th of the chance of an ICE car catching fire; yes, the average damage per incident is higher, but the chance of the incident happening in the first place is much lower.
@iulian2548Ай бұрын
@@FabioCapela I am skeptical regarding the EV fire incidence against petrol cars data, but the proximity property loss an health hazard are in a different league. This corroborated with the fossil predominant grid makes me think twice whether the politicians pursue for electrification is justified. I would focus on making people drive less, a paradigm shift regarding where we choose to live and work is called for. Meanwhile we can mitigate with smarter policy like car sharing, EVs, but the problem is much deeper than what current bloated EVs can alleviate.
@The8BitPianistАй бұрын
9:50 an improved ability to react to global economic situations is an interesting argument I have not heard from the "make the EU a country" crowd yet
@unatwomey7112Ай бұрын
Misreading information leads to all kinds of disruption. Right-wing fear frenzies have been a toxic mess. See the UK's unending austerity, which stems from right-wing inspired fear and incompetence. Disrupting trade, travel, hungry children, record nhs waiting lists. Not improved but worse. Not the ability to react but fear and isolation. Not global but declining. Very like Moscow.
@tooltalkАй бұрын
@@unatwomey7112 wait 'til you hear about the left wing frenzies between 2000 and 2017 that was a specular global failure.
@KlanHoffmanАй бұрын
When EU has scaled up its lithium production, we will use something better.
@patrickday4206Ай бұрын
Yeah solid state
@KlanHoffmanАй бұрын
@patrickday4206 Or something else
@jacksmith-mu3eeАй бұрын
@@KlanHoffman why not take it from China ?
@RustedCroakerАй бұрын
@@patrickday4206 Lithium is sold
@patrickday4206Ай бұрын
@@RustedCroaker lithium is semi solid state
@base2193Ай бұрын
Mind we don't have any rubber trees in our countries. these an petroleum derived elelements are still required to produce tires for cars, bikes, buses. You don't hear anyone complaining about that dependence..
@dougsheldon5560Ай бұрын
Let's hear it for sodium folks.
@tooltalkАй бұрын
Not for evs
@Nikoo033Ай бұрын
@@tooltalkthere is a possibility that it might work for EVs. A new sodium-based high energy density solid state cell technology with energy density was published over the summer 2024 in the journal Nature. It’s coming. Look up “Design principles for enabling an anode-free sodium all-solid-state battery”
@BSPBuilderАй бұрын
Guess who is the leader in sodium batteries?
@Nikoo033Ай бұрын
@@BSPBuilder 😂👏🏻 starts with a big C as well people 🙈
@BSPBuilderАй бұрын
@@Nikoo033 🤣🤣
@byhyewАй бұрын
Why is everything a "war" these days? That mentality is bad for business.
@BlissOn47Ай бұрын
Europe went from stealing minerals from the entire world to trying to mine their own land. How the tables have turned. Lol
@goldencoast8896Ай бұрын
The eu is the nice guy, he's not even competing
@cidercreekranchАй бұрын
Lithium is not the best solution for grid scale battery storage. The advantage that Europe has over North America is it smaller geographical size enabling cheap and efficient mass transit. Increase investments in mass transit and increase taxes on individual motor vehicles, ICE or electric, would likely reduce the demand for individual motor vehicles and further increase adoption of mass transit. Also, sometimes it is good to set unrealistic goals since it can spur quicker development of more reasonable timelines.
@mexesrexes4495Ай бұрын
Money makes the world go round. Follow the money and it makes sense. This whole climate change thing is about money. Europeans have nothing to offer businesses, they are not interested in mass transit, it is all about the mines and the ability to sell lithium cars and batteries GLOBALLY based on the shift in energy sources, unfortunately the Chinese got the jump on the U.S. and Europe. Hence the Tariff by both. Mass transit of for those who believe in climate change not money men.
@Ugapiku13 күн бұрын
You know what's unethical? Dragging the entire continent due to ethics...
@danielgospodinov5786Ай бұрын
I am European and my goals not including to pay more money for nothing.
@unatwomey7112Ай бұрын
The famous double negative. Education is the greatest thing anyone can invest in for the greatest return. I'm sure Bulgaria's inclusion in the EU was not for nothing and helped it benefit from investment.
@danielgospodinov5786Ай бұрын
@@unatwomey7112 It is what it is, but how i can get more money by investing in something which is not obtainable in EU. I can just buy it from China. Eu must find a way to produce another expensive products which can sell it to China.
@amandagrant4331Ай бұрын
@@danielgospodinov5786 Uraula can't find it. She will only spend European people's money to subsidize expensive European products and pretend to produce independently.
@danielgospodinov5786Ай бұрын
@@unatwomey7112 Producing batteries is better to be outside of Europe, because it my cause a pollution. Also we have enough petrol.
@josephkariba8676Ай бұрын
Just read an article about a French battery company whose product is 50% waste. Half uf the batteries they produce are rejected because of poor quality.
@passaisАй бұрын
Another falsehood: what the USA does the EU cannot do because we are not a country but a federation of countries. Wrong: the USA is a federation. The EU a very evolved partnership of countries. Regrettably without own taxing and lending possibilities. So the money has to come mainly from the states and raising that amount is politically problematic and countries keep thinking at the national scale for investment which is penny wise pound foolish.
@zhuwang548120 күн бұрын
DW's reporting never gets to the root cause of the problem, probably because it lacks courage.
@MichaelBabichАй бұрын
Resume: Europe gave up its own refining and processing of ore in favor of cheap Chinese labor and now EU is in panic. Lithium is everywhere. The problem is to mine and refine raw material. The ore itself isn't a problem. It's everywhere.
@maestrohunАй бұрын
The problem is need energy for this and EU do not have cheap energy. We europeans are so insanely dumb to vote these kind of politicians. This is so sad. Our future will go down very fast, thanks to ourselfs.
@ShadowxjenАй бұрын
Germany even has one of the biggest lithium sources, but knowing germany it will takes centuries to use it
@wolfgangpreier9160Ай бұрын
Euorpe gave up battery development, PV development and manufacturing, wind power development and manufacturing and is not ready to accept the harsh reality that battery produciton is a dirty business. The same goes for rare earth minerals. Coppe. Aluminium, Magnesium. And of course all future developments regarding electric storage.
@amandagrant4331Ай бұрын
Uraula is good at talking, but not at doing.
@Zedgo99Ай бұрын
'its everywhere' is the cry used for rare earth metal too, it doesn't matter if its everywhere only if it's easily accessible. There is fresh water in the ocean too, its everywhere. Just has some salt in it.
@the1onlynoobАй бұрын
China: oh . You were competing?
@EuroGunOrgАй бұрын
Sodium-Ion batteries ... anyone.... Why should the EU even try catch up with the Li-Ion technology ? By the time the EU will be able to make all this happen Sodium-Ion batteries will be mainstream and, we're back to square one...
@TheStefanmileticАй бұрын
China heavily invest in sodium batteries CATL is the biggest supplier of this type of battery in the world.They just opened the biggest energy storage that uses sodium batteries in Qianjiang. Do you think the rest of the world sleeps on new technologies? EU is far behind even in this technology. Plus they are not going to be used in a electric car production for a decades to come because of low energy density. Eu needs to get it together and invest in future technologies or we are not going to live as comfortably as we are used to.
@Broodjemetbeleg23 күн бұрын
lol, at this point it literally doesn't matter what the EU does. china has an advantage in literally every battery field.
@sed9406Ай бұрын
Why do you think you can win everything and not work with anyone else.
@smallbutdeadly931Ай бұрын
I think at some point we're going to need to address the environmental impacts of heavily relying on lithium, and the waste products that follow. Unrelated but even if you already look at products like "disposable" vapes you'll have people throwing away one-use devices that have completely usable batteries. There was a video someone made about how they turned a bunch of those batteries into a homemade portable charger.
@badbad-catАй бұрын
At least lithium is a normal metal unlike plastic or radioactive wastes
@Nikoo033Ай бұрын
The vast majority of lithium batteries is already being recycled, with the vast majority of their minerals being recovered. We need to stop propagating this misinformation that lithium batteries end up in landfills. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rZSQi4qVrblgrKsfeature=shared
@ricardoxavier827Ай бұрын
@@badbad-cat EU doesnt own uranium and plutonium enough to relly on nuclear power plants. The russians block the french uranium main source in niger, so the french now relly in canada and australia, what its not a good thing. Just need a anti french government to be elected and the french get their nuclear powerplants without fuel. EU dont own neither fossil fuels neither nuclear fuels enough to be energy independent from the rest of the world. Neither EU citizens want to mine our lithium to all EU become a toxic switzerland cheese land. We need to follow the hydrogen path, to shield EU from the rest of the world. The hydrogen economy. Energy independence. All vehicles plus industrial use and domestic use like heating. And we already have the natural gaz pipelines to distribute instead hydrogen. Its a anti monopoly way, because to produce hydrogen, we only need sea water (fresh water are better) and electricity. Infinite source. No way to own and manipulate scarcity games. How much we use more cheap it becomes. Because energy and sea water are infinite. Scandinavia super potential for mega river damms, Iberia and Italy potential for solar energy, and all EU sea coasts inshore and offshore wind energy potential. We have everything to become 100% energy independent, using hydrogen as the center of economy and energy sources balance. Remember that riverdams are our best efficient energy battery storage way. They are the compensators between wind and solar energy production flutuations. And later even the sahara desrt can be used to use solar power and mediterrain sea water to export hydrogen into EU by the existing natural gaz pipelines.
@smallbutdeadly931Ай бұрын
@@badbad-cat Plastic and radioactive waste doesn't spontaneously combust into flames when its punctured
@badbad-catАй бұрын
@@smallbutdeadly931 check videos of BYD blade battery puncture tests
@lingyt1001Ай бұрын
So which EU country most worry about the battery issue? France? Germany? If so, just make them to dig the mine in their own territory. Don't force other who are not willing and have no quam with the lithium competition. Period. Bloody get rid of your European colonial behavior.
@LetsTakeWalkАй бұрын
Need to focus on non-lithium solid state battery.
@mikeypaulong1345Ай бұрын
China, US, and korea already at early developmental stage of it
@joem00888 күн бұрын
To lose you have to have fought. When did you even fight ?
@suddenly_radical4558Ай бұрын
Dont flatter yourselves. You were never even a player.
@tooltalkАй бұрын
Neither was china
@GoodCitizen-gm1tlАй бұрын
@@tooltalk In Europe, only Germany is still revelant in tangible manufacturing and hi-tech industries, the others like Britain, France, Italy... are all de-industrialized to the degree they sell virtual financial services like stocks and insurance products as well as pharmaceuticals (Britain), tourism, perfumes, overvalued LV bags (France), pizza, pasta, macroni and tourism (Italy) ...... They are not relevant with the tangible hi-tech industries, especially the emerging hi-tech ones in the 21st century. Australia and New Zealand are just agricultural countries that sell sheep wools, mutton, beef, milk powder and earth minerals. Canada is...sorry, never heard of any hi-tech companies or even any products from Canada, it has a poor sense of presence when talking about technologies and stuffs. Japan is still somewhat a strong player but it is stagnant for too long and it's becoming not very competitive in more and more industries facing South Korea and China's tech rise. South Korea is increasingly competitive in hi-tech but in the emerging ones like AI, EV, automatic driving, brain-computer interface, quantum, 6G..., it is still largely irrelavant, the real black horse is China. China and the US are the true players in these emerging and disruptive technologies that will shape the future. So far, the US lacks industrial power in conventional hi-tech industries like shipbuidling, semiconductor manufacturing, trucks, cranes and heavy machines and others. China, on the other hand, it is becoming a full-MVP player in both conventional and disruptive high technologies.
@YeTao-i4vАй бұрын
Never was China? I see, hstory before the 19th century doesn't exist...
@ToriZealot22 күн бұрын
@@tooltalk You don't belive that EU will achieve anything than diversity and green washing papers?
@Ormusn2o28 күн бұрын
Wait, hold on, lithium has "contaminated" the rivers? At 5:50 in the report it says there is a lithium contamination, but lithium is not harmful in small amounts. Actually, it's one of the major ingredients of mineral water, and a valuable mineral. Born and arsenic are definitely harmful, but reading that the water was contaminated with a harmless metal is making me doubt this report.
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@mathewst3979Ай бұрын
the eu has lost just about everything
@YeTao-i4vАй бұрын
Starting with energy supply
@BSPBuilderАй бұрын
EU has plenty supply of hopium.
@Broodjemetbeleg23 күн бұрын
lol, while China is planning to mass produce solid state batteries in the next 2 years and already has cobalt free batteries, we here in Europe sure know how to compete lol. we are 20 years behind.
@Foersom_Ай бұрын
8:34 Nonsense speaker. 47% more NOT 50 times more.
@santostv.Ай бұрын
We are a bunch of 27 countries, this means one or more of the 27 with lithium deposits needs to be the sacrificial lamb for the eu. Same reason we can’t compete in tech because if we focus on creating a eu tech hub in Estonia For example,other countries need to give up their own country tech hub. In Portugal we already had scandal linked to lithium mine and environmental reports. We can become a refinery just like we did with oil, create a recycling lithium economy.
@oksyarАй бұрын
Europe should just behave itself and become friends with China instead of going against it and all the worries about batteries will be over. Just import extremely cheap batteries from China.
@sumonechan8514Ай бұрын
How did the EU lose the war? Dude you guys are never in the game to begin with.
@marktrinidad7650Ай бұрын
Europe's so called groundbreaking batteries are still inside its laboratory. Assuming everything runs smoothly and bureaucracy(environmental permits, labour laws) doesnt exist. It would take at least a yearto build a big battery production plant. It would take another 2 years to setup the production line machines. It would take 2 years to streamline operations, to train employees, to handle, repair and maintain the complex machines. Europe is totally screwed! Oh and don't forget the minerals used for battery production doesn't exist in the continent and somehow needs to be imported. European made battery prices would be so astonomical, the moment the plant opens it goes into bankruptcy immediately. And why is DW still talking about lithium if you can make batteries out of 100% sodium. YES! The element that we use on table salt can be used as batteries. The chinese have already been production en masse these types of batteries that need minimal rare earths metals. And they are developing the sodium formula and make it more energy packed similar to lithium.
@amandagrant4331Ай бұрын
Agree. It's ridiculous to just shut up in the room and say that I want to produce independently. No one will do business at a loss. There are many professional companies in this industry, and they didn't sleep.
@unatwomey7112Ай бұрын
We lack the US' inflation reduction act and China's response as well. We lack leadership. The thing Europe has is its reputation for manufacturing excellence. I'd rather have a European made battery than a foreign made one. Some country has to elect a brave leader.
@ipconfigerАй бұрын
If, due to dependence, one insists on adopting measures such as tariff barriers, subsidy investigations, and various legislative restrictions to "eliminate dependence," it is purely an irrational act. Rational analysis suggests that there is no country or organization in the world that can be completely independent of others. Transnational normal cooperation is necessary and essential. However, the EU is now engaging in trade confrontation with China to cater to the political needs of the United States. Originally, Sino-European trade could have enabled Europe to free itself from the "bloodsucking" of the United States. However, now Europe has destroyed its own way out.