Has The Traitors Failed As A Format?

[@samuelbemister2247]

I have enjoyed the slight changes they have added this year where in the games traitors do have a slight reason not to fully pull their weight. One thing I found bland in the past two seasons was the fact that when they did activities everyone was essentially going for the same goal and in the same way. I had mused that a way to give the players something more evidence based to use when throwing accusations at round tables would be if the traitors had a separate prize pot which was all money that the teams failed to win, meaning sabotage would be the traitors task in the activities. Still enjoying this season and as someone mentioned below, it does get better when the numbers dwindle.

[@ceesmith]

I don't know how that could be worked though Samuel? I don't know what the ratio would be comparing the two pots, but I expect the bigger pot is the main prize, minus the lost money. If you're a Traitor you still want to get that main pot at the end, rather than putting yourself into the firing line by attempting to fill the second pot?

[@sledgehammer858]

​​@@ceesmithYou could make it work. Either have money added as a bonus to the main pot for traitors only or as suggested traitors have a completely separate pot. The main thing this comment highlights is that everyone working together on the tasks was not entertaining and could often be skipped because as a viewer, we don't care if the winner gets £75k or £110k. We want to watch to see if people can figure out who the traitors are and therefore the tasks have been much better this season. Even making people wonder if traitors would be more likely or not to stay on that raft, everyone had different theories, much more interesting

[@bertiewooles3093]

You have just described "the Mole" which is a much better format IMHO

[@ed_j_webb]

@@bertiewooles3093 Exactly this. Watched the first episode; thought "So the traitors don't have to sabotage the faithful?" and turned off. A game of werewolf padded out for an entire series was not for me.

[@TheSludgeMan]

The problem with Traitors is it's in no way an actual game. It's just "vibes-based". If there were elements of genuine deduction it would be massively improved and it's not rocket science. Werewolf was invented in 1986 and modern games like Avalon/The Resistance show the concept can be done much better.

[@TomCantDance]

Exactly! There's no mechanical way that suspicions can be proved/disproved. It's a big reason I can't stand watching the show but will watch a livestream of blood on the clocktower (sometimes featuring Ivan Brett from the Traitors)

[@aramanon]

Almost like these people have never played Werewolves, Mafia or wink murder... or watched Survivor. You can only make alliances and be an asset in challenges. Reminds me of Big Brother before people knew what reality tv was and there was no faking being a smart arse/ actually being dumb and awful.

[@gomezthechimp1116]

Also, Avalon/The Resistance.

[@stevieweevyC]

Yes and salem

[@macmachine]

So bored with all these 'Elimination Dance' reality shows already. NEXT!

[@justnski]

5:42 "everyone's got fifteen of them in their office" 😂😂😂😂😂

[@nixpuk75]

I haven't watched The Traitors although I know what it is. Is it possible that the diplomat guy thought that having to deal with people who, in the circumstances, thought tossing a coin was "unfair" would be such a frustrating experience that he thought "F**k it, I'm out of here"?

[@DunnCarnage]

You say you think there's a superman film every 6 months or so but actually the last full "just superman" superman film we got was Man of steel which was 12 years ago.

[@andrewz4718]

Yep, way more Spiderman/Batman films. We haven't had string of Superman films since the 80's

[@bensalt1185]

Could be referring to the CW "Arrowverse" and the TV shows - "Superman & Lois" and "Supergirl" have multiple seasons now.

[@seancomyn4610]

@@bensalt1185 You're probably right but he did categorically say "Superman movies" lol

[@gma5607]

BvS was 9 years ago and Justice League was 8 years ago but has occupied and outsized space is the conversion due to the immense back and forth of the Snyder cut movement. And we really must accept that to the non-devoted those were all Superman movies.

[@Spanner1971B]

It was very weird that the the human behavourial scientist had such a poor understanding of Traitor game theory. I really hope the 3 sacrifices do come back, seeing them navigate the suspicion would be so much fun.

[@cameronearl-dieppedalle893]

Superman's trailer had the 5th most viewed trailer in a 24 hour period. Every other film in that list grossed well over $1 billion

[@jamesbenson9689]

Richard missed a sitter - 'Live action dragons! How did they train them?'

[@jacobself1920]

To sort out the biggest issues with the format they need to make the challenges very difficult. If you aren't confident going into each challenge whether you'll even win money then there is incentive for everyone to keep around the more intelligent and vocal personalities. It would be fun to watch the traitors balance the priorities of winning money and winning the game.

[@timj11dude]

Immediately and still, the mentality of traitors and many of the faithful in the UK S3 Traitors, is that of pure focus to reach the end game, without regard for the prize pot. The size of the pot will be incidental to the winner, it's all or nothing after all, and I think many of the players of cottoned on to this idea this series now, to it's detriment I reckon.

[@scottymelloty]

Its the first time I've ever watched Traitors , my daughter told me to watch it with her , and I'm hooked and she's loving it too. I'm going to go back and watch the first two when this one has finished.

[@Nabend1402]

The second series is one of the best bits of TV I have ever seen. The first series... It being a new show, you can tell that the contestants were mainly people who just really wanted to be on telly. A lot of main character syndrome going on.

[@williamchapple8886]

Episodes 3 and 7 of series 2 are 2 of the best hours of reality TV ever and the finale is incredible

[@philipsheppard4815]

Same here, I binged the entire first series between episodes 3 and 4 of this series.

[@TSINIproductions]

It’s a slightly strange thing to think that the new superman won’t do well, it’s billed as the total opposite style to the Cavill (Snyder) era superman movies, removing the dour grey palette and angry screaming and moping, replacing it with a more colourful and possibly upbeat “Reevesey” superman. I can’t see it flopping, except due to people not understanding it’s a different movie to the previous run.

[@joevictor53]

Exactly. I definitely see Superman doing well. I'm someone who had written off the DCEU pretty early on because of the tone. I'm going to be coming back for Superman and I feel like a lot of people feel the same way

[@rorrt]

I'd like a Superman where he's being proactive, rather than reactive. I'd love a film with Supes just doing fairly banal health and safety around an oil rig "shouldn't really put any boxes in front of a fire exit.." **nose exhale** "how frequently do you test your fire alarms? nooooooot great.....""

[@Soundwave1of9]

I'd like a Superman movie where he's not wasting his time playing dress up, sitting on his arse writing puff pieces for a newspaper while people around the world are in trouble and need his help. 😁

[@leighdugdale6032]

Richard’s assertion that Hollywood appears more interested in original scripts is encouraging, mainly because I hope they have finally realised they have squeezed every last drop out of the legacy IP they have been destroying, and will stop doing that.

[@solipsismworld]

Listening to Marina and Richard talk about Traitors makes me feel like we're living in the days of the late Roman Empire, baying for blood in the Colosseum. :(

[@fiona-lyons]

What an uplifting way to start the year! Happy New Year Marina & Richard.

[@melizoi]

snow white "has a problematic star in it" and you mention rachel zegler? least you can do is also mention gal gadot

[@joevictor53]

No it's only problematic if you stand up against genocide. If you support it, you're perfectly fine.

[@davidevans9516]

I still think "The Mole" was a better format than "Traitors"

[@itselisha222]

I'd kill for a new UK version of The Mole.

[@sledgehammer858]

They're both good but the mole doesn't have the traitors meetings, betraying one another etc. The quizzes about the mole to see who goes works practically but is not nearly as entertaining

[@bertiewooles3093]

@@sledgehammer858 Well yeah but the point with the Mole is there is actually a way to tell who the Mole is. They are activly working against the group in challenges. Traitors are not ACTUALLY traitors, its all the same prize pot

[@itselisha222]

@@sledgehammer858 I think the game itself is pretty flimsy, but The Traitors definitely excels in tension and drama. I do wonder how long that can carry the show, and I think they need to give the game a bit more depth, maybe by adding something like the other secret player roles from Werewolf/Mafia. (Maybe they've already done that, I haven't seen the new series.)

[@prophysix]

The Dutch version ("Wie is de mol") has been one of the most watched shows in the Netherlands for 25 years. It's excellent, there's even versions with English subs on KZbin.

[@medalion1390]

22:17 We haven't had a standalone Superman film since 2013. Before that it was 2006 and before _that_ were the Christopher Reeve films from the 70's & 80s.

[@chrisc_1012]

A new Superman film every 6 months? What?? There have been just 6 Superman films ever 4 with Christopher Reeves from 1978-87, 1 in 2006 and Man of Steel in 2013

[@solipsismworld]

I think he meant more "films with Superman" -- there was BvS, Justice League, cameos in Shazam and Black Adam, the Justice League directors' cut, etc. Plus all the TV shows in the background. For the general public, Superman is always around (and I'd argue the same effectively for Batman).

[@chrisc_1012]

@solipsismworld No he didn't. But cameos and certainly off-screen cameos wouldn't count as a Superman film anyway

[@xorsyst1]

I'm really looking forward to the UK version of "The Genius Game" this year, it will be interesting to see if it works as well as the Korean version; or if it's more of a flop like the Dutch one.

[@tsim21]

Being two faced and lying to peoples faces and making pacts and little pockets of friends behind peoples backs is basically the UKs national pastime, which is why i think its done SO well here vs other countries. There is an absolute truth to "this is how the world is" particularly in the UK. We love the backstabbing, frontstabbing and melodrama.

[@micksmith1812]

I cant believe Scarlett johansson will ever be too old 😂

[@onepartyroule]

Superb analysis.

[@williamcarter3933]

Traitors NZ is the best, I don't know what they're feeding them down there but they are very, very clever

[@douglasdeans2839]

A question for Richard about his latest book "We Solve Murders". Why do you have a lowercase "i" in name when the rest of the lettering is in caps? Are you striving to become a new Will.i.am?

[@philipwhiuk]

You're both buying into the "we're seeing the whole picture" You're seeing the highlights - the producers *know* what they are leaving in - they're not dumb.

[@thejfg7741]

Traitors shows how poor people tend to be when it comes to making decisions about others. They never check their bias - they use the word evidence liberally when it’s not evidence.

[@jakecargill686]

If you're ever on the traitors and make it far enough, if like every other season the last 2 - 3 people to enter the breakfast hall are faithful every time to build suspense, it'd take the fun away but mathematically if you make it far enough you'll know who they are, it just seems like a huge flaw in the show.

[@TheClairem75]

I can’t believe Marina left off The Thursday Murder Club movie for her recommendations! 😮😂

[@videoeditorbloke]

Big fan of Richard, but was genuinely surprised by the apparent gaps in his pop-culture knowledge, and how surprised he seemed to be about everything film-related!

[@joevictor53]

Same. Hearing him say stuff like Inside Out wasn't a hit. Errmm it was considered one of Pixar's best movies when it came out and it came after a bunch of duds for them so people appreciated it even more

[@DevilboyScooby]

I absolutely love Richard outright saying the cast of The Traitors Australia Season 2 were idiots... He's not wrong 😂

[@jten6632]

Was in Thailand when MJ passed, that bio (if sanitised) will smash it!

[@davidedwards2109]

marina wearing her fantastic four outfit

[@Theponderpond]

So are the challanges they do in Traitors and Im A Celeb rigged in favour of winning or loosing depending on the stipulations of the challanges?

[@BravoManUK]

"Dinosaurs are really old" lol. Nice one Richard.

[@superdrwholock]

I’ve only started watching on this series of the traitors and I have to say I have so much more respect for the people who got off the train than anyone else lol

[@thescowlingschnauzer]

Prepare for the rage of all comic nerds with that "someone else in the suit" line.

[@barrieboy58]

Surely the motivation for the faithfuls to find and banish the traitors is so that they themselves can become a traitor? The traitors are unlikely to be allowed to recruit if none of them are ever banished

[@charliethegooner8729]

Don't promote the hiring of 'Mr Beast' in films, awful human being that will soon be found out by mainstream media

[@matthewgubbins8515]

Mr beast and the ava situation is disgusting

[@ClayMann]

nah the mainstream love that man. Nothing will break that. His scandals have come and gone with zero impact on his empire. Season 2 of the beast games will grow that brand and he can basically enter into anything he asks for. He would make a good villain as in those beast games he comes across as cruel and degenerate. Perfect evil character material. But he can't act to save his life so it would probably have to be his image. Some 3D animated thing with his likeness and voice. I don't play Fortnite but I've seen he is a skin you can buy in that which puts him on par with the hulk, spiderman etc. as far as mainstream popularity goes. And I suspect worldwide his draw is even greater. He's got messiah like followings in other countries I've noticed.

[@triannaclarke1554]

Have you got a link to a vid/series of vids that covers it all? Wasn’t well when it all came out so missed most and since then there’s been so much I don’t know where to go for the best info!

[@aramanon]

Series 1 had one functional player Wilf who was screwed when the producers exploited that he had said all along he wanted all the money, made him pick a new traitor Kieran, he had to get K voted off and so Kieran totally outed him at elimination- an unwinable situation for Wilf. Great TV, the three muppets Wilf manipulated won by being passengers on Wilfs journey.

[@rigsby1454]

Yeah that was ridiculous that last bit. He basically told them Wilf was a traitor which shouldn't really be a thing.

[@joevictor53]

Kieran cheated and Wilf got screwed because of it

[@philipsheppard4815]

@@joevictor53 considering he screwed over both his fellow Traitors and was planning on doing the same to Kieran I can't say I felt a lot of sympathy for him.

[@RussandLoz]

I love the cinema experience though 2025 doesn't look like i'll be going much. It still amazes me how they can constantly make disappointing films

[@WearWolfeAssassin]

You feel like there's a new Superman movie every six months? The last movie with Superman in it at all was Black Adam in 2022, there hasn't been a film with Superman as the solo protagonist since Man of Steel in 2013. In my opinion Superman has been criminally underused in film.

[@DiverStella]

Attributing the backlash against the Snow White trailer to Rachel Zegler's political views is an interesting take Marina...

[@ShuntedMate]

Yep. This was a WILD take. Did she say the wrong name?

[@captsfufp]

I had to laugh when she labelled her “problematic” and it shows an anti-Trump quote. She must think all of Hollywood is “problematic” then!!!!

[@joevictor53]

She's problematic but God forbid you say anything about genocide Barbie with no acting skill playing the villain

[@rhiannonhill]

I've only seen one episode but as a professional Change Agent I'm appalled that cheating and backstabbing are being 'normalised' in a stupid TV show.

[@james_9190]

exactly the reason Ive never bothered with it

[@Nabend1402]

What cheating? There's no cheating. Also, it's just Werevolves, a game that has been available to buy for 30+ years. You many as well get angry at Monopoly.

[@traceyhill8939]

When is the Thursday Murder Club movie due out? Surely it doesn’t need the VFX lead time after filming?

[@ellydavis2066]

I haven't watched the latest series yet, waiting for it to end so I can binge so I've no idea what they have done. I feared they were going to mess with the insanely brilliant format because they couldn't help themselves. I think it was the American one where the contestants (maybe B-celebs, not sure) were all vying for the most camera time so it was quite exhausting to watch and more like a "Housewives of" vibe to it so not as good. I hope the Brit contestant don't start doing that. I'll watch this pod after I've seen Traitors.

[@thomasconway95]

The magic of the The Traitors is all in the casting IMO, and I think they've missed the mark in season 3. As Marina says, the game has lost some novelty and innocence, but I also think it's a much weaker cast this year.

[@petergilbert7106]

Kevin feige is going to announce that the exclamationn mark is there to indicate that this is the film that was being made in "The Franchise"

[@snackplaylove]

All you have to do to make the Traitors so, so much better is get regular people to be the shows ‘producers’ and to film them too. Then the real producers operate a level above this and control the options the slowly fraying people in the public control room. It’s still watchable, but because everyone is watching at different speeds it’s not as fun as the old Big Brother days.

[@dannyquinn9128]

What a morning, waking up to three goalhanger podcasts.

[@Davoerlo]

People were surprised Zootopia was a hit. ... Have producers never heard of furries. We will lap that stuff up. Suspiciously wealthy furries commissioning art is totally a thing XD

[@aisey100]

Traitors is 'iconic'? Maybe you should do a segment on how words are completely misused these days. My turds are 'iconic' at this point!

[@cianosullivan3848]

the reason people like myself love avatar is because there is nothing like it and the cgi is incredible. The story itself isn't amazing but everything else is fantastic

[@chrischarlescook]

The new series of The Traitors is very angry. Partly casting, partly the production. It doesn't make it more entertaining though, just depressing.

[@mollymcdade4031]

Another podcast (hosted by S1 players) suggested that because viewers were complaining that the challenges were boring they made them involve the Traitors more. In terms of pacing it does help people remain engaged (although personally I enjoyed them) However, for the actual players it’s taken away the challenges as a form of team building and escape from the mind-games, which is probably why they’re more antagonistic towards each other. They now have no place to relax or form bonds, which robs the show of an element of its warmth

[@johntilsley9111]

Hollywood, etc. has always cast actors that are way too old for the role, and then put them up against a female love interest too young to be a convincing partner. Eg. John Wayne.

[@andrewz4718]

Yeah, just watched To Catch a Thief where they had a 51 year old Cary Grant courting a 25 year old Grace Kelly.

[@sianwarwick633]

​@andrewz4718 you have heard of starter marriages, or marrying for money or divorce payout. We seem to have strayed from whatever this vlog is about.

[@iandavidson99]

I decided to invest in Traitors this year to understand all the hype, and I’m puzzled… I mean, it’s enjoyable, but it’s incredibly basic. Just a bunch of people gossiping, then randomly guessing who the people voting someone out might be? Also, I don’t understand why when the Traitors eliminate someone it’s called “murder”, yet it’s not when the Faithfuls element someone. The net result is identical; the chosen individual is out of the game. Finally, I’m a big fan a Claudia Winkleman, but the praise bestowed upon her for this series also puzzles me. She does very little other than periodical appear and spout a few one-liners. Is there something deeper or more clever in this series I’m missing? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@fraserwebster8761]

I had a similar view on the simplicity in the first series, but it gets very good about halfway through when there's far fewer players. It's an interesting view into human behaviour, psychological scheming, and greed. When there's fewer players and the percentage of all players who are traitors goes up it becomes interesting to see how those with easy routes to money allow greed to take over. I'd also say that when it first came on it was a breath of fresh air in the 'reality' genre, as it wasn't 24 highly 'instagramable' people. I don't entirely understand your issue with the naming of murders and banishment. I think it's just so the show can distinguish the two things for the audience, and for a bit of murder mystery theatre, nothing deeper than that.

[@iandavidson99]

@@fraserwebster8761 Appreciate the feedback, thank you! I'll learn from your experience and as you've explained, perhaps the psychological element will get more interesting as the players are weaned out 🙂

[@MarkDurkan-ig1yl]

Yeah my first time watching also and I have similar feelings. It seems a game that's very reliant on its own concept if that makes sense, ie. the only topic of conversation people have is whether someone's a traitor or not. I remember big brother in the early years would have certain tasks were a couple of people would have to sabotage it or something so it seems like that but without the variety of all the other stuff. Also it's very overdramatic as is Claudia Winkleman which I know is deliberate but still... Having said all that it does keep me entertained for an hour and makes me look forward to the next episode which is impressive

[@nikbear]

Nope, there is nothing deeper about it, it's shite! 😂

[@tonythesuperperson]

Thunderbolts* is the director of Beef so I reckon it may be good

[@emilyjaneex]

The problem is they have to make so many episodes so they can get to the final, so it doesn’t make sense to get the traitors out at the beginning as they will just recruit 🤷🏻‍♀️so doesn’t really make sense as a logical game

[@InereIronheart]

Don't understand the dislike for Avatar and Mission Impossible. They are blockbuster movies. Proper popcorn fests. Maybe it's the "movie for the common man" that get's Marina "split fiction books pre and post-war" in a tizzy.

[@bigfudge1923]

Traitors is easily the best program on television rn

[@Caitlinsculpts]

Disney's 'Live Action' Remakes of older animated films are only really making any money due to the Disney Promotion Juggernaut, the actual films themselves are a bit meh. If they wanted to bring the older animated films to new audiences they should just remake the 2d animations as 3d Animations to give them all an up to date look, they can still do the big star recasting just as voices, but the 'Live Action' remake thing needs to end

[@axels9179]

Don't be silly, Disney will of course spend money and keep making remakes as long as they turn a profit, and the figures tell them that's exactly what they do. The Lion King remake made them 1,6b dollars and the prequel to the remake (Mufasa) is doing good. We can dislike it as much as we want to, but as long as those films make money of course Disney would churn them out, the same way as making sequel of 10-20 old movies are making them plenty of money. Moana 2 was meant to be just a tv series on Disney+, but they understood they could make a whole lot more by remaking into a theatrical sequel and that has certainly been a good decision (pushing 1B these days).

[@Christina-Claire]

LILO and stitch is nostalgic

[@Emperortyping]

Hasn't Mickey17 been pretty much written off by it's studio? I think it's been on a shelf for 18 months

[@maxine2798]

Why didn’t they just draw straws or toss a coin on the train in? It summed up the level of skill in the program

[@thecroft6070]

They preferred to bide their time and wait for someone to volunteer. And it worked.

[@davidparkinson9143]

Blimey, a lot of New Year energy. Slow down a little please.

[@rosswilkinson1022]

The year ahead in movies seems depressing. None of those discussed seem interesting to me except for The Brutalist.

[@ogden4]

I think it'd be interesting to see Tom Cruise move into the same space as Hugh Grant. Leave the hero of the hour typecast (like HG did with the bumbling English eligible bachelor trope) and move into older roles. Straighter. Even dark / evil. Think he'd be good. If he's up for it. If he doesn't mind not playing the good guy

[@artiezonk]

He's busy being evil in real life.

[@stephclitheroe2565]

He tried that with Magnolia. He was amazing, but the Church of Scientology/David Miscavage didn't like it.

[@ijw2009]

I really enjoyed it last time. Not bothered this year. Feel it was almost perfect last year so why bother again? Maybe had they left it another 12 months I’d have been more interested

[@thelmagleave8122]

Please comment at some stage on The Hunted, if allowed, as I think the contestants are at too much of a disadvantage.

[@mouthstick-gaming]

The film 'Gandhi' had an intermission. Just saying...

[@stevenunn3472]

Elemental make $500 million worldwide which for an original film nowadays, is quite successful.

[@mollymcdade4031]

Success in terms of money and success in terms of legacy (people talking about it, online fandom, cultural zeitgeist) are very different things. Elemental may have made a decent amount of money but it’s not a movie that caught the public’s imagination

[@webmart70]

Re the brutalist chat- Love the Jason Statham ref! Dont understand Why do people hate long movies so much. More the merrier for me!

[@michaelsamwise1]

My piles start playing up.

[@webmart70]

@michaelsamwise1 good point. I would advise Cinemas start selling anusol alongside the popcorn due to movies getting longer...

[@thecroft6070]

I'll need that intermission to empty my thimble-sized bladder

[@jonno209]

You don't need the clickbait titles, better than that. Edit - someone in the final three into breakfast can be a Traitor.

[@samwalker2367]

It's not clickbait. It's what they discuss in the video....

[@jonno209]

@@samwalker2367 'Failed as a format' is not what they talk about, though is it? They both love the show but point out flaws.

[@samwalker2367]

@@jonno209 it says "has" they're asking the question. Which is answered in the video.

[@doctorry]

Richard also makes a couple of odd comments - Traitors in Canada has two versions, and both had a 2024 season. Also in Canada S2, they had three traitors for the entire series, which defies the idea of the first episodes being meaningless.

[@RH1812]

I may be one of the few who hasn’t watched an episodes of Traitors

[@michaelsamwise1]

Make that 2.

[@sianwarwick633]

Same

[@DD-gs4wh]

Same

[@thecroft6070]

You're missing out on a great show

[@autolykus1230]

Werewolf is a great game to play amongst friends, especially after a few drinks. The idea of watching other people play on TV is beyond boring. I watched one episode in the first series. Never again.

[@Elwaves2925]

I watched my first ever bit of The Traitors last night, it was on after I finished my recorded QI XL. It was about 20mins to the end of the episode and I thought it was terrible. Typical 'reality' game show crap with over-heightened emotions, fake tension and most of the people were so bland and carbon copied. Just like all the other reality show contestants. It made Deal Or No Deal's box opening seem genuinely thrilling. It's no wonder terrestrial TV is struggling if this is what people like.

[@davidedwards2109]

The pretend Welsh woman claimed to be from Abergaveny which is as far away from the real one as London to manchester. Always amazed at the Welsh are all the same trope

[@Robert-e9m8r]

Wake me up in 2026 if that's the Films for the year. Not more Avatar ffs.

[@flintworksart1901]

If you wait til traitors on iplayer you can watch each episode in 20 mins flat and that's being generous

[@jamesbmcauley]

Armie Hammer Time😅😂

[@_Super_Hans_]

This show is so obsessed with Traitors did we really need half the episode to cover it

[@sledgehammer858]

Well its the biggest thing on UK TV, with 5+ million watching the first episode so I think it's fair to assume there is demand although perhaps not your cup of tea

[@thecroft6070]

Yes!

[@Cryten0]

Richard was looking very pale and zombie like in some of those shots.

[@glenproctor1999]

Can't get over the feeling that this is 'flash in the pan' TV. Rip off of the computer game 'Amongst Us' which itself borrowed from the board game 'Diplomacy' and 'Murder night' style events. I do believe it will crest soon and tumble downhill.

[@Elwaves2925]

I saw my first ever 20mins of The Traitors last night, after I finished another show. The first thing I thought of was that it's ripping off Among Us but with 'real' people. I thought the show itself was terrible and full of your typical 'reality' show nobodies that make grey wallpaper seem exciting.

[@Alex-hj]

There are no original ideas lol, just because something is borrowed or stolen from somewhere else doesn’t make it bad.

[@Elwaves2925]

@@Alex-hj It's not just about that and it doesn't make it good either. There's also a big difference between using elements from various things, then combining that with others to make something worthwhile....against taking something pretty much wholesale just to cash in on it.

[@aramanon]

Don't understand Lilo and Stich?!? Meega naga scheesta Mariana!

[@markcroxteth2108]

Who edited this? An action adventure film director? There's a picture change every few seconds. It's a conversation between two people, not a fight. Stop it.

[@thecroft6070]

Calm down dear, it's only a podcast.

[@MrYeasty27]

I would never in a million years watch a live action snow white under normal circumstances, however those political views of Rachel Zegler have tempted me to pre-book tickets and buy the DVD. I don't have a DVD player. Edit: or a cinema on the same landmass as me

[@tricia9559]

All I can say is thank goodness I’ve never watched this, and thanks to this program I never will.

[@DD-gs4wh]

Agree

[@MrBabaBlackship]

I can understand why Richard doesn't like Avatar... He likes being the tallest kid in the playground. What's with all these pesky blue giants making him feel small.

[@isabelrollings2439]

The only good thing about the new superman is that it includes Krypto. Otherwise, why bother with a younger Cavill-clone?

[@simonlake_]

Comedian Mark Watson should go on Celebrity Traitors and pretend to be Welsh.

[@PaulWrightsonLeeds]

Never seen a minute of Traitors - probably never going to because I refuse to watch ‘reality’ shows (apart from Taskmaster - if that is a reality show).

[@axels9179]

neither are reality shows as such. The Traitors is in reality a game show based on Mafia (a social deduction game from 1986) while Taskmaster is a panel show. The Traitors however leans heavily on typical realty tropes found in things like Survivor and Big Brother (which again took many of those tropes from various tabletop and social deduction games from the 80s and 90s)

[@justaguycommenting]

I don't think Destination X is going to be "The next traitors"... I just look at it and I don't see it. Also, Moana 2 is taking a reeaalllyyyy long time to make a billion dollars, so I can't see Zootopia 2 cracking that mark.

[@axels9179]

Moana 2 was a tv series ideas that was fairly cheaply rebranded as a movie and have turned a huge profit for Disney. Zootopia 2 will surely be a hit as it's already popular IP that has had shown great streaming numbers and had enough spinoff version to keep the growing young audience hungry for more

[@justaguycommenting]

@@axels9179 Yes but the reason it was made into a movie, was because Bob Iger expected it to crack a billion dollars at the box office pretty easily based on it's popularity, it's definitely successful, but the fact it's taking so long might be a dissapointment to execs.

[@GenericPieWOTR]

I think it will. The first Zootopia made almost $400m more than Moana worldwide and has much more international appeal. If the sequel is even remotely decent I think it will comfortably break 1 billion now that it's actually a known IP. Moana 2 is bang average and has still done significantly better than the superior first did one at the box office.

[@joevictor53]

Moana 2 did amazingly well despite being a TV show turned into a film and despite getting average reviews. If Zootopia 2 does well critically, that could push it over. I was going to give Moana 2 a try but the critical and audience reaction made me wait until it comes to Disney+

[@MattFrancis1]

Best Disney Princess is of course Leia.

[@mrrosso2261]

The editing of the podcast video has become so annoying. Stop all the excessive cuts and zoom ins. It makes it seem like things are being cut out.

[@charlesboden7059]

First time watching this to see the Traitors hot takes - stayed for the movie chat. Who is this Marina? Other than animated httyd when was the last dragon movie to hit big? Dungeons and Dragons (great movie not a hit? Dragonheart? Eragon? The Sorcerer's Apprentice? Interesting that she calls out Rachel Zeigler's political views but not the racism that she received when she was announced and that she bigs up Mr Beast without mention of his legal troubles. Not to mention that Chris Pratt has some not so palatable views to some. As for Jurassic Park Laura Dern was in her 20s but both Sam Neill and Jeff Goldblum were in their 40s and Attenborough was pushing 70. Anyway, shan't be bothering in the future.

[@Soundwave1of9]

RDJ in another MCU role is a mistake as it undermines the beloved Tony Stark character. F1/Brad Pitt falls down as he's 61 and not believable as an F1 Driver + you can't 'yee haw'/brute force your way to F1 wins by 'building the car for combat' and making it 'unsafe' - totally misses the principles of F1 - this is not 'Death Race'.

[@sianwarwick633]

I ... nope. Not this episode. No access to UK terrestrial (linear?) TV or online TV

[@flynndean]

Nobody is going to not see an animation because of a lack of draw for children from the guy who voices the Kung Fu Panda and Bowser from Mario and who is in Jumanji? Firstly...no kid I know is checking to see the Voice Actor Cast List as part of some pre-viewing checklist, Secondly...have we ever seen evidence of Social Media caché having a significant impact on Box Office before? In an Animation?? The energy and enthusiasm Jack Black brings to everything he does is massively preferable to the ludicrous idea of a blandly-voiced, completely inexperienced (as a Voice Actor) KZbinr with Grand Video ideas, plenty of viewership, but little on-screen charisma.

[@joevictor53]

I love listening to these two talk about TV but man that movie section was painful to listen to. Some stinker takes from both of them about things they have next to no idea about

[@rklammer]

I'm not going to pay to watch Superman out of principle. Also it looks silly, like suicide sqaud and whatever that John Cena show I didn't watch was called. If I want silly comic superman, i'd watch one of his several tv shows (all pretty good). On the big screen I want to see serious deep Clark Kent stories of epic proportions.