The journalist who exposed the grooming scandal on Tommy Robinson and Elon Musk | The News Agents

[@mcorbett01]

With this interview you have performed a really important public service.

[@JoBroughton-yw7un]

Alan Bates and Andrew Norfolk two great fighters for justice and truth, my respect and gratitude for all you uncovered.

[@WillJBailey]

Excellent journalism. Really shows the strengths of new media. On a traditional news program you’d get, what, 10 minutes for the interview and analysis. Here you have as much time as you need for an extremely sensitive, complex, nuanced subject.

[@maxine2798]

The Times originally carried this. “Old media” has done ok. Money and time spent to investigate. There’s a lot of areas of new media where this doesn’t happen, X for example and that’s where a lot of people get their information from. This is the problem and I think it explains why younger voters are drifting to extremes

[@WillJBailey]

⁠​⁠@@maxine2798I wasn’t msm bashing. There’s absolutely a place for legacy newspaper and broadcast journalism. But this is a great example of the strengths of new media, which legacy media can learn from.

[@AcademyMike]

This Man's testimony is heartfelt. He is, in my opinion, why principaled journalism is vital to a civilised society. Once again, thankyou.

[@evolassunglasses4673]

A civilised society doesn't have these industrial scale rapes.

[@Ne55y]

Absolutely! Bravo to his consistency and commitment to the story. I’ll be honest and was surprised he wrote for The Times. Doesn’t Rupert Murdoch own that paper? I think it’s interesting (or perhaps not) that he owns The Sun/NOTW, newspapers that lie and do investigative journalism that suits their agenda/narrative. Then you get The Times that does the opposite.

[@TheFarCentre]

This man’s story needs to be all over the media, to set the record straight. It should be posted as a response to every Tweet Elon makes.

[@reubs91]

@@TheFarCentre you should also watch Douglas Murray’s interview, I think he has a far greater understanding of the true impact this has had socially, and that there was a coverup and effort to suppress the discussion.

[@TheFarCentre]

@ I do watch Douglas Murray and he’s a clever guy but he can be very partisan which clouds his judgement.

[@reubs91]

@ i think he nails the rule of law approach, which wasn’t followed through.

[@petey9232]

@@reubs91 you think Murray has a better understanding than the man who broke the story locally over the course of 4 years?

[@trailersfromhell2539]

What record? This guy has admitted he wrote this story because TR talked about it before him.

[@tomgunn7935]

This was insightful, balanced and informative, exactly how journalism should be

[@mars9953]

This is just another story of a man who stayed quiet.

[@martinrose2833]

This interview should be given the widest possible distribution , I clearly remember reading his articles in the Sunday Times they were chilling , gut wrenching and hard to read . Andrew Norfolk is in the same league as Alan Bates

[@TheLucanicLord]

A quiet, considered, well-informed hero. Compare and contrast to Musk, Farridge, Ten-Names and Jenrick.

[@Dantianblue]

@TheLucanicLord Sadly those charlatans get plenty of traction online.

[@milaalaniva775]

His interview on Times Radio was excellent as well. Sad how short memories people have.

[@jaysmith8199]

There was an independent enquiry in 2022 with 400 RECOMMENDATIONS. 0 were implemented by Tory govt.

[@katrinabillings7011]

no surprises there...

[@randyschwaggins]

20 main recommendations...but your point is totally valid

[@IanLynch-b7e]

Yes , but they set up a task force that arrested and convicted over 500 child rapists . As a comparable the Labour Party set up a Task Force for People Smugglers and with help from the EU have arrested ONE Smuggler .

[@GeoffV-k1h]

And the Tories and their supporters blame Labour for that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@TheLucanicLord]

Same percentage as the new hospitals that got built. Bit of a pattern here.

[@shindy444]

Thank you to this gentleman for coming forward. A friend of mine was blaming Starmer and believing musk on this matter, smh

[@stevejones4275]

your friend was apot on, but these maitless and Norfolk louts are just vindictive hacks, more interested in the scoops than the crimes.

[@christinalloyd9566]

Hmm maybe you need to be more careful with who you make friends with....

[@bumblebee34]

My sister believes Musk on this and no matter what evidence you show her, she doesn't care. She claims it's not about race but for some reason, she could care less about the 250,000 abused kids in France by the clergy, shocker I know

[@shindy444]

@christinalloyd9566 oh believe me I am realising this.

[@punit957]

@@christinalloyd9566I disagree we need to speak to these misinformed people more and show them this type of interview.

[@Mumbles274]

What an amazing man, I really felt his pain and commend his bravery and dedication.

[@davidbrown9278]

What a great podcast! I have enormous RESPECT for Andrew Norfolk for providing the background to the recent hysterical outcry in the media and in government; and for setting the record straight. His emotional involvement in investigating the scandal over many years was evident in the passion and angst with which he spoke.

[@trailersfromhell2539]

What record did he set straight. He was far from the first one to talk about these issues.

[@craig3775]

Well done, I only wish this interview could be broadcast more widely.

[@stevenmitchell8806]

Perhaps he will get on James OBrien or even better Tom Swarbrick show and then get a politician on to give their take on this interview.

[@Geffo555]

Truth is not welcome on certain media platforms. It just gets in the way of manipulating public opinion.

[@AnnStahley]

😂

[@enawilson3210]

Yes nation wide and sent to Elon musk to apologise to kier stammer and the victims

[@TheUnwoken]

I remember this man when I was 13 he was a legend and hero for this country... saddens me to hear that all his hard work, has been destroyed by politicians and far right radicals

[@WillowStock]

I hope that's not so!

[@MrChillidee]

Then do an enquiry.

[@mattjones1776]

Thank you, Andrew, Emily, Lewis and team. I've spent the last few days in the comments sections of KZbin asking for experts like Andrew to be given a platform to speak. Keep it up, maybe others such as Trevor Phillips, Ann Cryer, Sara Rowbotham, Simon Danczuk, Sammy Woodhouse, Maggie Oliver and Nazir Afzal can give their takes.

[@fabiennemitchell2371]

Also Nigel Farage who raised the issue many years ago.

[@marianlonge3060]

@@fabiennemitchell2371give me a break ..Nigel .. lies lies .. wot none of u wanna say is TOMMY ROBINSON is the one showing us this for years nobody gives him the credit .. though everyone suddenly wants to jump on the band wagon

[@nickjung7394]

And the victims? They know more about the situation than mere "journalists"!

[@excel04]

​@@nickjung7394Sammy Woodhouse who is mentioned by the OP was a victim now turned activist and journalist. She has apparently been asked by police to speak less on some matters in regards to this according to her recent posts.

[@germansnowman]

I hope this interview gets three _million_ views, not just three thousand as at the moment.

[@bumblebee34]

It won't, it takes a bit longer to watch than a 3 second Tweet from Elon that answers all in their incredibly simple minds

[@Geffo555]

If only there was an oligarch with morals somewhere. Musk and co just seem interested in personal advantage.

[@AnnStahley]

Why? So we can be reminded how Maitliss and Goodtool hate Tories and Elon Musk?

[@germansnowman]

@ Just watch it. It’s mostly the journalist talking about his investigation. But you’re not interested in the facts, so I doubt you will.

[@blackwavenoise]

The system should be there to help these children/young adults. This is their story, not Musk and his ego!.

[@IanLynch-b7e]

Seeing the victims are praising Musk for providing a platform so they can finally get their story heard . Instead of being ignored by the MSM and Governments .

[@nickjung7394]

Only naming and calling those who covered this scandal up to account for their (in)actions can more children be protected. Many of these people are still in post or Habe progressed to higher positions.

[@brodie4603]

Well done all concerned,especially the original journalist, for shedding some honest light on a sensitive topic that so many "glory" seekers have chosen to exploit for their own ends.

[@neenapopham7673]

Super thanks to you guys for this interview with Andrew Norfolk. Hope it is shared far and wide to set the record straight on this sad subject.

[@shazanali692]

Pakistani people know what the British soldiers did for 250 years in india, these stories stay in the family for centuries, i have stories in my family about what soilders did to females and children in my family in the 1910s. So i say we even now. Get over it. Brits just pay us the 41 trillion stolen

[@FiveLiver]

@@shazanali692 BS

[@petertompkinson5622]

Probably your best Pod Cast yet! Excellent work.

[@oldschool3670]

Thank you News Agents

[@darlingdelights823]

Dont forget tommy Robinson mention this 20 years ago ,but he never get the praise for it

[@anthonyreeves5248]

andrews story is only the tip of the iceberg, i worked in children's services in 1997 and it was going on with all communities, and a lot of councils knew and did nothing becuase it challenged the processes they employed to protect young people. there were boys also included but that does get mentioned. there are still institutional failures that exaserbate the issues

[@Ne55y]

Couldn’t agree more. I’ve always thought about this! My mum was put into a children’s home from 13 to 18 years old. This was in the 1980’s. When children become 18 y/o the services have to find them a home. They sent my mum back to the town she came from into a bedsit. (It was 1980’s to be fair). A couple months later, she met my dad. A man in his 30’s and married. She once told me she thinks she was groomed in some way. FYI, both my parents are black. Due to lack of funding for children’s services and education, children’s services continue to let (some) children down. I’ve seen how the general public react to the kids when they walk around the town centers. Just hanging out but they are treated like a threat or a nuisance. Glad to hear the presenters and Andrew talk about class being a factor too. There are so many layers. I hope in years to come, we prioritize social services more, not just looking after the elderly (which tends to get a little more coverage).

[@andreer-k6136]

A BIG THANK YOU to Emily and Lewis for interviewing Andrew Norfolk, whose information was extremely moving, and whose respect for the young girls was very important. And who is humble enough to admit his mistake, or weakness, or fear when he first heard about these grooming gangs. But gosh he made up for it, so Thsnk you for your work, which must not have been easy (euphemism)… As came out in the interview and the comments after, it isn’t only the appalling abuse by people who, though living in the UK, do not accept or adapt to the way of life in the country they’re in. But also the misogyny, the contempt, towards these well kids really, by the authorities, even (especially?) the police, who are supposed to protect them. I just Wish we had more of journalists like you three, and I wish you well to continue to inform us, and become more and more mainstream. The country needs you…😢

[@vincelardner330]

Hearing from a true journalist, the truth of a difficult subject, is such a source of enlightenment in the darkness inspired by Elon Musk and politicians seeking to raise their own profiles rather than care for the victims of this terrible series of crimes.

[@farty81]

And we wouldn't have heard his voice in this podcast without Musk kicking up a stink 🤷‍♂️

[@Geffo555]

@@farty81 Musk isn't motivated by justice. See it for what it is. A political manoeuvre to unsettle Starmer's government. And blatantly obvious.

[@IsabellaLouiseAlexandra]

All those willing to call out these horrific failings and address these ongoing issues are welcomed in my view. 🙏 I speak with the authority, of a woman who knows what it is like to experience this type of horrific assault with no justice or accountability. Thank you, Elon. Thank you, Andrew, and thank you, Tommy, for raising awareness and for your tireless investigative journalism. 🙏

[@reginaldamoah8608]

Thank you this was provided the honesty and nuance that has been sorely missed. It's hard to listen to what he said and not be emotionally impacted. But I'm grateful there are real journalists like him still around.

[@billybeads3328]

I detest billionaires because of the amount of power their wealth gives them and i cannot think of even ONE that i admire or even like

[@FiveLiver]

You are big on George Soros

[@williamjohnson5229]

Why haven't any of the people who covered it up or refused to belp these girls been prosecuted? The social worker who attended the islamic wedding of a victim to her abuser, why isn't that person in prison? The police who arrested a father who was trying to rescue his daughter, why haven't they been arrested? Until the people who enabled this are brought to justice as well, this issue has not been dealt with properly.

[@FiveLiver]

Shussh we're not supposed to know

[@sookibeulah9331]

Exactly! I agree that Musk and some politicians are weaponising the issue, but that’s because so much has been ignored and left to slide with no consequence that there’s plenty to weaponise. One problem now is that may of those in a position of authority who demonised the girls have now retired on comfortable pensions so reprimanding them professionally is not possible.

[@seymourclearly]

We don't go around arresting people for no reason. Talk of arresting police for arresting the dad, who must have been doing something illegal, just shows the level of idiocy comment has sunk to.

[@mikebassett9195]

@@seymourclearly Yeah you've obviously never dealth with the police.

[@leeharris7727]

“A far-right tool” That’s one way to describe Elon Musk.

[@dildo196]

YES he is now... deal with it

[@Jacky5299]

Airing a voice for those being ignored after abuse, a tool. Whats your motive?!

[@Geffo555]

@@Jacky5299 Musk's motive is obvious. And it has nothing to do with justice or supporting these abused girls.

[@sodiumlights]

​@@Jacky5299he doesn't care about anything other than clicks.

[@Dantianblue]

​@Jacky5299 Did you not watch this interview? Musk is merely exploiting this.

[@kathrynlenz8368]

If these individuals who are demanding another inquiry had ever had to deal with a predator they would not be so glib and heartless.

[@FiveLiver]

You don't want to expose the cover up?

[@kathrynlenz8368]

@FiveLiver A national inquiry concluded in 2022. If the recommendations had been implemented the problems would not be so prevalent today.

[@sookibeulah9331]

@@kathrynlenz8368 since Starmer was according to Norfolk so key in changing the policies of the CPS why hasn’t his government already highlighted the lack of action and made proposals to change things? Why hasn’t it been left for Musk to weaponise? I want to know why so few of the men have been deported since conviction and why there’s no indication that the police officers or social workers who decided to ignore the obvious abuse have been reprimanded?

[@FiveLiver]

@@kathrynlenz8368 Great. How many local councillors and police officers were recommended for prosecution?

[@trailersfromhell2539]

@@kathrynlenz8368 That is nonsense. You can't fix a 50 year old problem over a year or so by implementing some recomendations. It will take a staggeringly long time for all of it to take effect. Also, please answer what is the connection between wanting an inquiry about G gangs, which has NOT been had yet solely focused on that issue, and having to deal with a predator? I've read a lot of bad arguments on G gangs, but this one might be the top one.

[@mh8826]

when you have americans giving their opinion on this and praising Tommy 10 names you know it has hit rock bottom

[@alexgarland2747]

Tommy has done incredible work exposing this horror. He deserves every bit of credit he gets.

[@chrisohanlon69]

@@mh8826 it's an international disgrace that people involved are still in the same jobs

[@mh8826]

@ have you even watched this video that you are commenting on? Muppet

[@alexgarland2747]

@@mh8826 yes you 🤡

[@FiveLiver]

It's NOT a "decade old story" it's not the past, it continues today.

[@FigelNarage]

They're talking about, and to, the original journalist who brought the scandal to light. Stop being so emotive.

[@shirlp6046]

@@FigelNarage There had been quite a few concerned citizens over the years who tried to bring this scandal to the attention of the authorities and were each destroyed for their efforts and continually ignored.

[@shabz4772]

​@shirlp6046 any particular people you care to name

[@FiveLiver]

@@FigelNarage Yes don't get emotive.

[@cynthiamorris1874]

@@FigelNarageIt didn’t help much though, as it is still going on.

[@bweb6]

It's somewhat unfortunate that the people in the world who most need to hear Norfolk's detailed account probably won't.

[@chasingthesun-bi6cx]

I hope this gets shared and seen far and wide! Like and share!

[@leonardharverson8660]

Honestly, I feel like it’s the responsibility of everyone viewing this interview to ensure that they make other people aware of it. I’m going off to do just that.

[@richardjohnson7900]

Incredible interview, it's really important that as many people as possible watch this

[@LeftLib]

Respect to Andrew Norfolk and Julie Bindel for reporting on this many years ago.

[@carrie5490]

This story, as a whole is why journalism exists. Media needs to remember that. It should always be to help people without a voice, like these girls. This grooming isn’t new, it was certainly going on in the 80s and 90s in my working class area. It’s still happening let’s just hope we are past the point of the children being blamed for the actions of the adults around them

[@farty81]

The failure of repeated governments to sort this out and the exploitation of their inaction maybe a 'far-right tool' but the catastrophe of this scandal HAPPENED. And it was worse than it's possible to imagine.

[@aislingmcdonald6778]

And the Tories were in government for ALL of that time!

[@AnnStahley]

No they were not.

[@evolassunglasses4673]

Started in the 70s

[@Ne55y]

Both Conservatives and Labour governments. Both were complicit in the failings.

[@janeslater8004]

Gordon brown pm in 2008 sent order to keor starmer to not prosecute

[@jezlawrence720]

Yeah no, it wasn't all on the Tories watch by any stretch. The journalist being interviewed said clearly the offences he started reporting on were in the early 00s. For SURE labour and tory govts both have not addressed this properly - the Tories did commission a 7 year inquiry and then implemented precisely zero of the recommendations and they are now trying to delay any legislation for another inquiry (one has to wonder what their vested interest is in delaying action further, how many skeletons from their closet are involved?) but at the same time, it WAS happening on labour's watch. The story didnt' break till 2011 though - and as he said, the Tories (cameron) immediately ordered the inquiry. There's no way it can be said that only the Tories were in government the whole time. The important thing to remember though in the current climate is that this HAS all been exposed, investigated, inquiries held and so on. It's not 'over', but there is no conspiracy of silence on this unless *maybe* that's why the Tories failed to implement anything from that review. If we want another inquiry that would be the one: why have THEY failed to act since that very long inquiry concluded?

[@beepresent8636]

Absolutely completely agree

[@Jonathantaylor-os4yv]

Smearing anyone who is concerned about raising legitimate issues on what happened in these labour ran communities as Far Right is as bad as the individuals that did nothing to help these poor girls . THIS is the biggest stain on this country and it requires an inquiry

[@drummingtildeath]

Why are you asking for us to spend several years on an enquiry and not asking for any of the recommendations of the last enquiry to be enacted? This seems like the actions of someone playing a political game rather than someone that wants young people to be protected.

[@Dantianblue]

@drummingtildeath Too right. These characters are unbelievable. They love the likes of Musk, who cynically feeds their prejudice.

[@Jonathantaylor-os4yv]

Well Dantain blue you know nothing about me so stop feeding your own bigotry, As for the inquiry I assume your referring to professor Alexis Jay’s which although very helpful was unfortunately was not targeted at the questions that need answering I.e the failures of the police / cps / local councils . You only have to listen to statements from whistleblowers such as Maggie Oliver to realise more was going on

[@drummingtildeath]

@Jonathantaylor-os4yv too scared to answer, kid?

[@Jonathantaylor-os4yv]

@ I’ve already answered kid

[@p0ssiblypossiblynot557]

The British Establishment seems extremely reluctant to address child abuse in ANY of it's forms - WHY ? Justin Welby illustrates this perfectly. Huw Edwards' sentence shows how seriously it is taken.

[@dub604]

We had an inquiry.. The right wingers didn't like the findings so they want another one. You see the first one found that "native" white Brits committed 83% of the crimes in question compared to only 2% of Pakistani origin.

[@TheMagicJIZZ]

​@@dub604are you genuinely confused about demographics Who else do you expect to be committing the crimes? The han Chinese commit the majority of the crimes in china...the indigenous British population of European descent committing the majority of crimes should be expected?! We got rid of shamina begum citizenship because of her immigrant Bangladeshi parents even though she was born in the UK. Why not British Pakistanis who committed these crimes? Isis Vs white working class girls get justice? We apparently care little as a society We don't need more reports but a royal commission into why our white British culture took a blind eye to these crimes. Not Pakistani culture but our one Our society allowed this

[@ane-louisestampe7939]

Because way, way too many of them went to posh-prat-schools. Abuse is a corner stone in English upperclass culture. Every single posh-school-prat has either been abused or has abused - and naturally been ridiculed for beidng abused and praised for abusing, by been given the most trusted positions. The crulest becomes the prefect.

[@W_Bin]

As a criminal lawyer I am still looking for the heads to roll of the people who enabled this to continue past the very first incidents. They were accessories to the offending. They enabled it to spread where it could have been scotched at the start by public consequences. Having had thousands of clients who were victims of various offending and being myself a victim of different offending, I can say that vindicating victims is not re-victimising them. They were re-victimised by nothing being done after they were put through the investigations. The wrongful accusations should be the subject of apology and reparation by Musk, proportionate to what a US court would be likely to award in damages for defamation. Apart from that, he was absolutely right to bring the ongoing horror that it was still ongoing, to public attention. He may be single-handedly responsible for bringing an end to it. One of the ways of dissuading offending is public denunciation. I question whether the young men involved were even aware that it was a concern to anyone. Now, they certainly will be. And their families and friends will also be alerted to the fact that this offending has been occurring. Those responsible need to be named and punished. Just like the criminals themselves, for the same reason - to deter further such offending. The differences between the Post Office inquiry and this one is jaw-dropping.

[@Factcheck-o4s]

Andrew Norfolk has provided a fine service in presenting a balanced perspective, but a victim interviewed by Andrew Marr welcomed Musk's intervention in increasing the profile. Perhaps Ms Maitlis might interview Maggie Oliver or a victim to provide a broader perspective.

[@englishrupe01]

Ooooh....surely they wouldn't want to talk to victims or Maggie?

[@graemecreegan6749]

Only those who are in the gang will get an invite onto this show. The News Agents is an almost comically pretentious name btw.

[@farty81]

Oliver absolutely should be interviewed.

[@nickjung7394]

This is simply an attempt to divert attention away from those responsible for the cover up! Ask the victims!

[@S.E.Bennett]

I do hope Musk will push for the release of the Epstein files

[@CmdrMaxHeadroom]

Musk seems to have a lot of friends that were also friends of Epstein.

[@Sam88-l4k]

They were friends along with Trump weren't they?

[@shindy444]

Never going to happen by musk

[@TMan786]

What are the chances?

[@FM-in8pn]

And also talk about his felony president

[@xrayfish2020]

The truth has been spoken 100%!

[@davidjenkins1288]

this is brilliant TRUTH At Last

[@Londonchippie]

Have any of the police officers or local institutional staff involved in the cover up gone to prison? If not, then that's the reason we need a full public enquiry. We want not only the perpetrators but also their enablers to go to prison. It's not that difficult to understand.

[@mowen2621]

Well said

[@janeslater8004]

No labour have voted against enquiry

[@Timelessbliss-s9y]

Agree There has to be consequences to the cover up. Forget blaming far right for x,y,z. Go after the people who COVERED IT UP FOR VOTES

[@simonkapadia7582]

The actual scandals themselves are what they are, crimes, scandals, sometimes systematic failures. The misinformation, the framing, the messaging and the dog whistles are all instrumentalised by the far right. It has always been that way. Hateful people love highly salient crimes because they can transform them into something they aren't. Sometimes that's about attributing them to a given group in society, sometimes it's about generalising them to create a pervasive fear that isn't justified by the actual prevalence. It can be many things at once. But the manipulation of how people imagine these events is a separate thing to the events themselves. We can say at the very say moment that we need to take these things very seriously, and even talk about them, and that we must not tolerate the distortion and weaponisation of them. But as to the ordinary people who believe the things that are put out by the far right, they are unreachable in any media format. They are part an epistemic enclave, they know what they believe is true and real and they are incapable of listening or even thinking about the facts in any way other than the social construction they are a part of. And part of that is human nature. People do not ever see the world, they see their internal mental concept of the world, what their brain has created in order to represent the world outside of itself. They quite literally live in different phenomenological realities. They have a powerful emotional desire to protect their own concept of that reality, to the point that alternative perspectives can seem threatening to them. A culture war is about the idea that someone else's views are an existential threat if they are allowed to express them to a greater extent than you are able to express your own. It's an anti-pluralistic perspective, but one driven by core emotional and cognitive tendencies. In order to accept disagreement you must be able to engage in disagreement, but most people never do, they observe distinct groups in societies with distinct messages, but they never seriously engage with perspectives other than their own, they never truly listen or think. The problem is that you have to attack the systems. The algorithms, the feedbacks, the selection biases, the power structure and incentive structure of media. And when you leave it this late, everyone will resist reform because everyone is afraid it'll be used against them. But without the ability to sustain a shared reality governed by basic epistemic norms, society suffers enormously.

[@mars9953]

This man STAYED QUIET for many years while low class Tommy shouted & shouted and got beaten down.

[@johncarroll772]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@carrie5490]

What are you taking about? Do you have any idea? Did you even watch/listen to the podcast? He broke the story almost 20 years ago. I’m not sure how that is staying quiet? Now he is speaking out because the far right, including Elon and Robinson, are exploiting and abusing the girls all over again, for their own ends. If you think that’s okay then shame on you

[@janeslater8004]

Exactly. Emily maitless who had melt down on tv what a joke

[@matfresco]

An excellent interview. You asked the right questions and let the man speak.

[@martinamckeown.4936]

THANKYOU! Andrew Norfolk ❤❤

[@oldschool3670]

Brilliant content

[@lindaallen7006]

Iv wached this s_ _ _ show for years. It does not matter who or why this round has been instigated. What matters is the truth must come out and families given the closure and help to make the best of the rest of there lives. Accountability.

[@robertking3369]

The reborter new about it for 5 years before he reported about it

[@princessmay9921]

Exactly! And why? For the same reasons this has continued to be covered up - or trivialised. And for the same reasons that the pearl-clutchers don't want even to admit the problem to themselves.

[@debbieburgess2207]

He new 20 perpetrators of the gg and stood back and watched

[@chrisohanlon69]

Let's face it Musk has brought it front and centre and everyone would have rather that it had faded away.

[@FigelNarage]

Let's face it Musk has lied about and smeared the reputation of our PM and other British politicians. Let's face it Musk doesn't give a s**t about the victims and is politicising their abuse for his own political ends.

[@seymourclearly]

By misrepresenting and lying about what happened, using the awful things that happened to these kids for his own ends. Only mugs think he is helping anyone.

[@sookibeulah9331]

Yes, the opportunity for Musk to weaponise this story was created by failure and inaction. As Starmer knew how badly it was being handled at the CPS not spoken out about the inaction over the recommendations during the election? Why didn’t he call out the inaction of the Conservatives? Why didn’t he make it a priority once he got into government?

[@chrisohanlon69]

@seymourclearly he's not lying about it, though.

[@seymourclearly]

@chrisohanlon69 he is, at best, misinformed, his comments reveal how little he knows about the matter. He cares nothing for the victims and is using their suffering for his own ends. This is all common knowledge. How come there was no outcry when the previous government refused to enact any of the recommendations of the enquiry. Enquiries are just a way to kick an issue a decade down the road. Action is needed, not delay. The people wanting to have another enquiry instead of actually doing something should be viewed with suspicion, who are they protecting, no prosecutions until the enquiry is finished, why are they wanting to wait a decade before acting to protect these children and why is Musk helping them.

[@gailhill5734]

Great interview. Why aren't people like this is gov't. We dont need politicians scoring points we need people who KNOW what is going on putting actions in place

[@dpatel6666]

Why are they more angry with Musk? Why aren't they angry with the cover up

[@jmxtoob]

"Tell me you didn't watch the interview without telling me you didn't watch the interview"

[@jmsunlinenet]

Because there was no cover-up?

[@katg1122]

@@jmxtoob tell me you cannot tolerate other people’s views without telling me that you cannot tolerate other people’s views

[@katg1122]

⁠@@jmsunlinenet that’s is how you feel - but recollections may vary - victims see it very differently

[@TheMagicJIZZ]

​@@jmsunlinenetthe Oldham council welfare officer was literally a gang leader of a child grooming gang...and went to prison But think about it... police were involved too and councils running orphanages

[@jabonorte]

Slightly bizarre that KZbin managed to slip in a Paw Patrol advert into a report about child abuse. Twice

[@oldschool3670]

Get him on sky news please

[@roland20002000]

I do get fed up with this view that "the far right were trying to capitalise on this", they were the people who were living in these areas, they knew this was going on and nobody was doing anything to stop it.

[@mowen2621]

Exactly Tommy Robinson came from Luton and had family affected by this, he didn't just jump on the bandwagon like the man in the interview said.

[@Geffo555]

Certain elements on the right have certainly capitalised on these horrible events. Abuse of children is not solely committed by Asian men, but race is the central issue in this media storm. Listen to what this guy says. Unlike Musk and co, he actually knows what he is talking about.

[@carrie5490]

Are you suggesting that all working class people in these areas are far right?

[@equatorialjourney4478]

@@carrie5490certainly seems that way, nowadays . Maybe not in the past , but many have been influenced by the insidiously marketed ,hate filled, fear based divisive rhetoric being pushed by the right wing party in order to secure votes . Mention illegal immigrants, refugees….Guaranteed formula used by conservative parties to win votes ….plant bias, racism, misunderstandings and jingoism and voila . Votes guaranteed . A formula that has been tried, tested and proven by power hungry disingenuous leaders thru’out history Look at Boris’ cynical tactics surrounding Brexit ; Trump rallying the bigots ; the constant rise of far, far right new political parties and the inflammatory rhetoric spewed daily . All opportunistic and based on sowing fear, discord and hatred amongst local counties

[@roland20002000]

@@carrie5490 Are you suggesting that protesting about kids getting abused, and no one doing anything about it, is far right?

[@andrewbirss7538]

Magnificent (and troubling) journalism.

[@reubs91]

Geeze, Andrew completely misses that if something was done by the authorities to end it all and uncover it properly the right wing (normal people) wouldn’t have had to protest and get out on the street.

[@janeslater8004]

🎯💯

[@sodiumlights]

'right wing (normal people)' 😅

[@reubs91]

@@sodiumlights its 100% true

[@andrewrobinson2565]

Stop this American Circus 🎪.

[@BigAlCapwn]

Bit of a xenophobic comment

[@andrewrobinson2565]

@BigAlCapwn I tell it like I see it. 🇨🇵🇪🇺

[@BigAlCapwn]

@@andrewrobinson2565 You made a demand, not an observation. What does "🇨🇵🇪🇺" mean?

[@andrewrobinson2565]

@@BigAlCapwn I'll let you work that out. How's your knowledge of flags as an American (there's only one?)?

[@andrewrobinson2565]

@@BigAlCapwn Yes, it's an imperative. Stop this American Circus 🎪. See I demanded it again. It won't change anything, of course. Americans are in love with rich people.

[@FiveLiver]

Tommy Robinson is not "far-right".

[@dangavel1283]

He was a member of the BNP ,he was joint vice-chairman of the British Freedom Party .He co-founded the English Defence League . Hes FAR RIGHT.

[@carrie5490]

Yes, he is. If you don’t see that then you too are likely skewed yourself

[@scottocallaghan4377]

@carrie5490 Sweked is an interesting word to use. I'm guessing you have not listened to both sides of this argument. Simply repeating does not help anyone.

[@paulcampbell6316]

​@@carrie5490He isn't far right. Do some research! Pleb!

[@debbieburgess2207]

​@@dangavel1283tommy knew 20 gg perpetrators while in their and did nothing 🤔

[@III_Ed_B_III]

What is currently being covered up? Where to begin? Maybe Mr. Norfolk should delve into Oldham and the GMP in recent years as a starting point.

[@FineWine_andCake]

Stop referring to them as Asian Gangs, it's Pakistani Muslim predominantly, Asia in case you didn't know is a continent with Sikhs, Hindus and Christians.

[@rommel8433]

All 3 involved in those gangs go check individual names

[@W_Bin]

And Chinese, Burmese, Thai. Why do the English call Pakistanis "asians?

[@annphillips1086]

@@W_Bin I think the main angle they're coming from is "it's all right guys, it's not us". Which, of course, it also is.

[@philharrison5456]

does elon musk know that there has already been an inquiry, from 2015 to 2022 and they give the tories 20 reccomendation's and the tories implented none of these, and now they want another inquiry which would slow it down again, when labour just want to implement the recommendation's from the original INQUIRY

[@scottocallaghan4377]

@philharrison5456 Yes he does. The previous inquiries did not deal with the grooming gand issue adequately. It was too broad. Not a single person was held accountable for the failure to protect those poor girls. The truth is, they could implement the recommendations AND do a proper enquiry focussed on the r*pe gangs. If you are horrified by what has happened, know that it is still happening in over 50 towns and cities in the UK. Watch Maggie Olivers interview on Heretics for the the truth.

[@vinanddex]

Musk is the only reason this is being discussed. All the self righteous pearl clutching is tiresome.

[@tcritt]

Are you kidding? This is an interview with the guy that broke the story in 2011, ffs. It's been all over the press for well over a decade. There's been a national inquiry and several regional ones. It you don't know this, you are uninformed in the topic

[@chrisward9774]

It is not that the perpetrators were of any particular race. The whole point is that it appears that because of their race they were not hunted down with the full force of the law.

[@dpatel6666]

But no horrification on the perpetrators and those covering up the crimes by the presenters. I live in a town in the north, and these crimes still continue.

[@weswheel4834]

Do they really need to say "the crimes were abhorrent"? Stop trying to score points over this.

[@picking11111]

Not sure why we haven’t heard of this guy ,it’s a shame must’ve got, stopped somehow only heard through Tommy reporting. I guess he just kept banging on getting the message out

[@randyschwaggins]

Another enquiry makes ZERO sense. There has already been an official enquiry that took 7 years, cost £200m and produced 20 main recommendations for how the law should change to protect children going forwards. The report was published in 2022 and not a single one of these recommendations were implemented by the Tories!!! What needs to happen now is that these recommendations are put into law...not doing another enquiry! It isnt rocket science to see this. The Tories are not interested in actually enacting laws to help reduce children being abused in future. They are just using the issue as a political football to curry favour with Elon Musk and to spread divisive and hateful rhetoric across the country. They were arseholes when they were in power. They are exactly the same now.

[@DavidJohnson-gh3si]

One of the last true journalists

[@informedchoice2249]

I'd say let's not be complacent by assuming everything resolved.

[@RankinMsP]

Wasn't this the bs Johnson used in calling Starmer a defender of pedos? The Tories are disgusting

[@princessmay9921]

Wow! You're so out of touch! Have you eyes to see" Ears to hear? A heart to feel?

[@VaucluseVanguard]

Great interview, but I can’t help thinking that the not having a national inquiry that focussed on the specific issue of why this was an issue in the Pakistani community was a mistake. And the second issue that seems not to have addressed was the failure to hold anyone to account across a range of agencies.

[@FiveLiver]

The focus on the so-called Pakistani Community is a distraction. Other Muslim groups are involved too. Afghans, Somalis, Bangladeshis, Syrians.

[@IsabellaLouiseAlexandra]

Exactly.

[@mattyr40]

Remember the outrage at Jess Phillips tweeting George Galloway was a R apologist🤔🤡😸😸

[@melissaworth4961]

Thank you - a detox from endless punditry.

[@stevenmitchell8806]

Probably the best and most disturbing interview I have listened to. You should now get Badenoch, Jennrick et al on to discuss this to see if they have any morals whatsoever.

[@scottocallaghan4377]

@stevenmitchell8806 watch Maggie Olivers interview on Heretics. Much more insightful.

[@AnnStahley]

Yeah, and we can hear from Emily and her buddy as to why their only interest is in slamming the Tories.

[@pennyyoung2291]

Thank you🙏

[@janeslater8004]

Rotherham local paper first printed grooming gangs 1970s

[@IsabellaLouiseAlexandra]

Yet 54 years later it still continues!

[@trailersfromhell2539]

Exploit for political purposes? TR has been talking about it longer than most politicians. Also, uh, let's make a list of all the cases of police shootings / killings in the US that's been exploited for political purposes, but no one ever calls out those people.

[@teabagsteam]

Excellent reporting. Devastating, gut wrenching. I've tried to share it on Facebook but Facebook wont seem to let me.

[@janemcloughlin174]

Complicit, ignorant and sexist police...

[@SharonTrew]

The attitude to these girls from their abusers and from those people, police, social workers etc is one of 'they're no better than they ought to be' and the children and young women often behave in ways that do not bring sympathy due to their age and dysfuctional lives.

[@stevenponte6655]

Maggie Oliver, who was a police whistleblower about this, said in her book that a senior police commissioner asked her why she was bothering with these girls and that if they were thrown away at birth nobody would have cared.

[@princessmay9921]

This throws up our VICTORIAN attitudes. This is where the Pakistani and British prejudices and misogyny meet!

[@evolassunglasses4673]

This didn't get 10% of the coverage of George Floyd.

[@reubs91]

Disgraceful it requires training to understand right vs wrong

[@cmw3737]

Thank you for this. We need journalists to challenge narratives that are out of control and being used for political influence and talk about the motives of powerful interests while also not dismissing the real story. To talk about the real story and ignore for that moment who is re-telling it. If Starmer's changes lead to more prosecutions why doesn't he say that and keep the issue of Elon interfering in UK politics separate. By dismissing people's concerns he gives people like Tommy Robinson and Farage more power to exploit their grievances. This is how you end up with a Trump. Face the issue head on and say how you're dealing with it or have dealt with it and it loses it's power to influence voters. You can talk about the events, the victims and the resulting changes to policy to tackle it and also talk about the true motives of power players like Musk who are now trying to use the story for their own ends.

[@Timelessbliss-s9y]

If you want to bring out truth Emily Please also interview the victims and Maggie Olivier.

[@jakeforder9435]

The 2020 Home Office report offers many examples that illustrate a higher prevalence of group exploitation amongst a certain demographic (though it queries this data). Why is the protection of children from targeted, sadistic and prolonged aggravated assaults viewed as a far-right perspective? Who is the far-right? What party do they follow? Who is their leader? What are their beliefs? Where can we see evidence of them?

[@markames6030]

None of these presenters have ever been anywhere near these working class towns. London bubble out of touch. The cover up needs to stop.

[@Tom_murray89]

An essential interview

[@RS-qy8pk]

Will this interview gets the view that it deserves.

[@Knaveofspades6]

Overall Andrew Norfolk was great here. However he is 20 years out of touch. And publicly blinkered as to the cause - because he realises the consequences should he speak out publicly the full truth. You'll notice he didnt mention the girls were also racially abused, yet the perpetrators were not charged with racial crimes. Read the court transcripts. They are online.

[@Leia-c6g]

Those police are vile for doing what they did.

[@chrisohanlon69]

You could perhaps interview Sammy Woodhouse.

[@burniesmurf]

Yes why not. As a survivor, I know she wants the enquiry

[@RPMcMurphy-k9l]

Hate crime actually

[@jyproductionsuk9296]

Over 50 cities!!!!!!!!!!! One of the worst scandals to have ever happened in the history of the UK

[@johnkeilloh2682]

Can you explain what happened? And where? In over 50 cities? There are only 55 cities in England?

[@stevejones4275]

maitless insists it's a far right invention

[@stevejones4275]

@@johnkeilloh2682 planks are better off being silent, john - 55 in England, seven in Wales, eight in Scotland, and six in Northern Ireland.my advice do not be a plank again.

[@Geffo555]

The abuse of these girls is vile. The authorities who let them down are shameful. But using these events for political gain is also contemptible. Especially when the facts are being twisted for effect. Starmer actually prosecuted a grooming gang. Jess Phillips cares passionately about vulnerable girls. But the truth doesn't matter to extremists.

[@bweb6]

Over 50 cities!? Can you provide any factual reporting or evidence to support that claim?

[@Lux-lc8cx]

It would be constructive perhaps for the British media to have some humility here; and recognise that they perhaps fell down on the job. From a media perspective; it happened in provisional areas, to provisional people who's voices are almost entirely absent from the UK media. It happened to areas and people who are already effectively disenfranchised from the UK media discourse. The gap of media service providing for these regions and classes meant it never got on the radar. But that's because the 'radar system' isn't set up to cover those areas in the first place.