Has Your Life Improved Since Leaving the Church? | Why I Don't Go (Episode 2)

[@calebcranke777]

I know I learned through this pandemic is people have mastered going to church but not personal relationship with Jesus and God. The moment the churches closed it showed a lot of people were attached to the building instead of being attached to Jesus and God. Also the labor is plentiful but the workers are few.

[@one1six___890]

Yesss! This comment is everything !

[@GarrettBell]

Facts

[@postimusramogayana2808]

That's the problem churchainity is all about worshiping jesus not The Most High.

[@calebcranke777]

@@postimusramogayana2808 your sadly deceived. You cannot go to the father without through the son Jesus Christ. Nobody is worshipping Jesus more than God. Where do you get that from ?

[@walterruth5901]

@@postimusramogayana2808 The Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit, are one and and the same. And the Lord appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground, And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant: Genesis 18:1‭-‬3 KJV

[@naturallymemarie9650]

I agree with the girl in the orange plaid shirt. Leaving the church has taught me to search for God for myself and not be lead by the flock and follow what the flock does. He had to set me apart to establish my identity and abolish that chameleon spirit that made me conform to my surroundings. A lot of people get lost in the religious crowd and church culture that they never find themselves nor do they find Christ for themselves.

[@monie948]

And for others it's just the opposite they want to be a part of a loving group of people and not isolated

[@jaybavis5896]

So the whole time your looking at whats around instead of find yourself or God. Sounds like a personal problem. The word of God says that wheat and Tear must grow together and God will do the separating..... so going to church is a command. But a person doesn't have to get caught up in the wrong things. Are maybe you was in the wrong place 🤔

[@naturallymemarie9650]

@@jaybavis5896 could've been the wrong church. Fellowship is a command, not neccessarily church. I can meet with other believers at their home or at a coffee shop and have fellowship. And yes it was a personal problem for me because I have identity issues. So God needed to establish my own identity a part from the crowd. Its easy to "act" like a Christian when you are around a bunch of other Christians. That was my problem. I blend in too well but didnt know God for myself. But being in the wilderness alone is where true identity and character is built. Thats my season right now and my conviction. And it has yielded fruit because I've never been more close to God than I am now.

[@monie948]

@@naturallymemarie9650 do you fast & pray?

[@naturallymemarie9650]

@@monie948 yes!

[@preciousb2672]

A lot God’s people are not in the church, anymore but are praying reading there bibles at home, and having small prayer Groups

[@jaybavis5896]

So is this the right thing to do. 🤔🤔🤔

[@naturallymemarie9650]

Exactly!

[@rachelletanzil4963]

And pteaching at home im one lf them.

[@rachelletanzil4963]

@@jaybavis5896 durning covid it is

[@Ladywatson1633]

For sure!

[@1LocWonder]

Therapy has helped me tremendously since I left church. That’s what has helped me thrived🤷🏾‍♀️

[@NINAMAVEN]

Agreed

[@niquebud]

Yam Yam and you and your unhelpful words are why folks are leaving. SMH 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@Weatherthestormm]

@@yam153 🤦‍♀️

[@remix16ification]

@@yam153 actually a psychologist helped my mental health in only 6 months more than any church has in 20 years. People like you are what drives us away from the church.

[@jeremiahj3565]

The church doesn't dig deep to deal with root of issues!

[@Breonaleonard]

These mini episodes are too short!

[@viergellamilord4265]

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[@nextlevelamazing7865]

Very Respectfully With All Due Respect Good Gods Day, respectfully agreed, have only watched 2two of their videos and it is respectfully noted that the introduction is about 1minute and half too long, suggestion would be for them to simply place the question on the screen and once each person begans speaking show their names at the bottom of the screen, that way more conversing about the topics can be enjoyed more and maybe even have longer video time to really hear the guess points of views with more details to their Spiritual points of views, F💡💡D FOR THOUGHT: (for anyone who wants to reply disrespectfully) "Be Respectful" V/R

[@amcovered]

True dynamic discipleship is lacking in the house, we're preparing people to go to church and not to be the church!!

[@robertbradford9995]

Facts

[@pastorkeys6269]

Is it possible that that true dynamic discipleship is not happening because people who profess to be saved by the Blood of Christ. Filled by the Spirit of Christ, believing and obeying the Word of Christ are avoiding gathering, worshipping and serving with the people the Body the Church of Christ. (Matt. 16:18, Eph 4:15 - 17)?

[@amcovered]

@@pastorkeys6269 don't think so, I believe that the culture the church has propergated is for the social gathering and not the actual body of Christ on the earth...His hands, feet and mouth piece. Not making converts but discipleship!

[@pastorkeys6269]

@@amcovered Well, may I recommend that you pray and ask the Lord to guide you to a Bible believing disciple making Church. If anyone knows where they are - the Lord does. Blessings.

[@amcovered]

@@pastorkeys6269 thanks for the advice. Blessings

[@ngonigriffith1491]

Since leaving the church after attending for 40+ years, I have found myself reading the Bible more, doing more Bible studies by myself and with other people, and I pray and meditate more. My relationship with God has improved and I desire to do more things that please him. I am glad I left.

[@petalblossom96]

YEP! My life FLOURISHED after leaving man-made religion 15 years ago and running into the arms of Jesus Christ! He truly is the Bishop of my Soul! (I Peter 2:25)

[@nextlevelamazing7865]

Very Respectfully With All Due Respect Good Gods Day, Praying for everyone for Scriptural Spiritual Strength All From Gods Holy Scriptures, If I May, God Bless everyone who has a changed heart and mind and now below is the answer to anyones search to make sure that their sins are forgiven, follow Gods Holy Scriptural instructions below and then, immediately, Obey; *F💡💡d For Thought: *We Must First Make Sure That* *We Are Properly In The Correct* *Body of Christ* There is no Scripture In The Bible Where God Commands That We Simply State That We Except Jesus As Ones Lord And Savior And He Receives Anyone As His Child Without Following and Obeying "ALL" Commands From God To Be His Disciple. GODS SALVATION ●*HEAR:* *ROMANS 10:17 NKJV* 17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. ●*BELIEVE:* *JOHN 3:15-17 (NKJV)* 15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. *MARK 16:16 (NKJV)* 16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. ●*CONFESS:* *MATTHEW 10:32-33 (NKJV)* 32 “Therefore whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father who is in heaven. 33 But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven. *ROMANS 10:9 - 11 (NKJV)* 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” ●*REPENT* *ACTS 2:38 (NKJV)* 38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. *ACTS 17:30 (NKJV)* 30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, ●*MUST BE WATER BAPTIZED* (Body Fully placed in water and brought right back up, not sprinkling, Female can not baptize no one, only A Male Already Baptized Brother of The Church of Christ can Baptize Believers): *MARK 16:16 (NKJV)* 16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. *GALATIANS 3:27 (NKJV)* 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. *ROMANS 6:4 NKJV* 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. *JOHN 3:3-5 (NKJV)* 3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” 4 Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?” 5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. *ACTS 2:38 NKJV* Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. ●*LIVE A WORKING FAITHFUL* *LIFE UNTIL DEATH:* *REVELATION 2:10 (NKJV)* 10 Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life. ●*TEACH THE LOSS WHAT* *YOU HAVE LEARNED ABOUT* *SOUL SALVATION:* *MATTHEW 28:18 - 20 (NKJV)* 18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen. ☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆ *1.* KZbin Search, Find, Search (Google), Call, Email, Visit and Become A True Disciple of The True Body of Jesus Christ, THE CHURCH OF CHRIST NEAREST YOU IN YOUR AREA *2.* THE "CHURCH OF CHRIST" Nearest You, Google to find one near you, there is a "CHURCH OF CHRIST" in almost every city in every state, and in some countries outside of the united states *3.* Here (below) Is What "THE CHURCH OF CHRIST" Looks Like To Make Sure You Are At The Correct "CHURCH OF CHRIST": *4.* Worships Every First First Day of The Week Which is Sunday, God3 Authorizes First Day of The Week For Worship *5.* No Instruments, Congregational Singing Only - No Choir, God does not Authorize instruments during worship *6.* Takes The Lords Supper Every Sunday as God Has Commanded That We Do This In Remembrance of Him; *I Corinthians 11:26 NKJV* For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death till He comes. *7.* No Female Preaching, God3s Scriptures Do Not Authorize for A woman To preach *8.* Ask A Male, A Man, That Is A Leader of the Congregation, a Elder or a Deacon For A Bible Study and answer to the call of The Gospel of Jesus Christ Be Baptized and Be saved for the remission of your Sins, Living Out The Great Commission, Make sure to express to the Brother that will Baptize you that they must say what Scriptures say during Baptism, make sure they say, In The Name of The Father, The Son, The Holy Spirit and That Name Is Jesus Christ or Lord Jesus. 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[@hellfreezer3037]

bruh i totally feel u

[@Tippy2forU]

Jesus Christ is man made. The Bible was created by men and edited many times over.

[@TheeBethakneeJ]

I totally agree with you. Do you still call yourself a Christian even when you divorce yourself from man-made religion?

[@kourtneydouthard-becker1501]

I stopped going because im tired of being hurt by leaders who i genuinely respect and trust as my covering. Tired of favoritism. Im tired of being treated like less than, yet when people discover you have a gift, a title or some kind of status they treat you differently. Id rather fellowship with a hand full of like minded people and/or do prayer call meetings for now until God tells me otherwise. Im traumatized and tired.

[@fallenlotus9572]

My life has greatly improved after leaving church. Being born in a southern Baptist home and forced to go to church every Sunday threatened and stunted my intellect. Gossip, constant shaming of free thinkers, sexism, homophobia, peer pressured into joining the choir to make my toxic family look good, hypocrisy, and manipulation using the bible really infected my psyche. At 16 I finally woke up and stopped attending church which caused a lot of shame towards my family and they tried everything to pull me back in. Yet their fear tactics became nothing more than empty threats. The shackles holding back my mind have been unchained and freed from control. Therapy and distancing myself has played a huge part in recovery. It takes a lot of courage to speak your mind against a brainwashed majority. Always push forward, never look back.

[@oldschool5]

Wow. You are powerful. Southern Baptist at that.. smh... most folks dont have the heart and the courage to step outside of their religion. I hope you have a beautiful journey. Much respect to you

[@thetruest7497]

So glad for you that you were able to escape this bondage.

[@matthewheard1814]

Not gonna lie. I was watching this in a judging manner at first and I realized they left the church not the religion. I think people confuse the small line between church and faith.

[@douglasgraham2774]

It is impossible for believers to leave the church, they are the Church, the ekklesia! They might leave a building, that professes to be a church, which are man made.

[@munyaradzimunyaradzi3731]

They left church and not the church more importantly they haven't left christ

[@lynnray4324]

I believe the money collected in the church should go to the neighborhood. They drain the money from people they do not help or invest in. The money is for the people.

[@rasheedahajibade4399]

www.memorialbaptchurch.com/

[@ladyados]

No, the money is for the Pastor.

[@luv2cook.]

@@ladyados PEOPLE

[@latachalexander3618]

I thought that's why churches had benevolence funds. I might be wrong, things may have changed. I thought the offering collected in Sunday school and church service were allocated towards the following: bills for the church, payroll, ministry funds, benevolence, etc.

[@CopperHueCollectionsChippewa]

Latach' Payne So who is supposed to take care of the orphans, the widows and the fatherless? You must not know what scripture says about tithing. The money is supposed to go back into the people not the church building.

[@harveyyarbrough2830]

I am 63 years old. I stopped going four years ago. Long story short, I saw what was really going on, "Control". Since leaving I have become spiritual and totally reliant on my faith in God.

[@ritadyer9295]

Yes! At almost 65, I have discovered the same thing. And I think it got worse after Covid. Our church had outdoor services which we never attended. I had no desire to sit in the car for a couple of hours with a 7 and 9 yr old kids. (We have two adopted grandkids). It was hard enough sitting thru regular church in the building with them pre covid. In the car they would have felt they had the freedom to play and do whatever they wanted. So we chose to stay home. No. I didn’t watch the live stream either. What I found, and especially after going back to services, is that the pastor feels you MUST watch WHILE it is being live-streamed. Not afterwards. He still runs his mouth about that. He still rants about people who haven’t come back after Covid. He thinks you have to be there every time the doors are open. I just can’t. I’m too tired after taking care of kids 24/7 and homeschooling at my age. He still rants about kids’ sports and people not being at church because their kids are playing sports. I have no idea who he is talking about. When mine did play, it wasn’t on church days. And there’s only my two who are now 13 and 11 and one more 13 year old, then two toddlers. It’s a small church and I think it’s getting smaller. I have been away off and on helping with the piano and music at a couple of other churches a few times. He always mentions that when I’m there. But I made the decision to just chill for awhile because I wanted to find another church (none of the ones I’ve helped out at were somewhere I wanted to stay) but around here , while there is a church every few feet, none seem to be right for us. So I had kinda given up. Then I came across Ronnie Hurst on KZbin about 3 or so weeks ago. He left the system and has some great info. I feel like a burden has been lifted off of me! Our pastor has gotten to where he’s making stuff up and we spend half the service with kids leaning over and whispering to me that what the preacher said wasn’t in the Bible or me telling them the same thing. So I’ve explained to them about why we aren’t going to be attending services. They are good with it. I wouldn’t mind finding or starting a home church in the future. Since making the decision to leave the “system” and feeling like such a heavy weight has been lifted, I feel more like “me” again and I’m finally getting a LOT of stuff done at home that I couldn’t seem to before. Not sure why the two are so connected. We are also working on our marriage and family. Our home had become a war zone it felt like. So we are using the time to reconnect and not feel guilty about not being in a building on Sunday. My husband is gone from 10 am to midnight all week and then Saturday he has to catch up chores like cutting the grass and we weren’t spending any time together. Pastor and his wife are coming by tomorrow evening to get some stuff I was getting rid of and I have to try and remember to put away my non KJV bibles before they get here or I’ll be the topic of a sermon even tho I’m no longer there. Lol!

[@WhenGraceCalled]

We must learn to discipline ourselves in listening to others. How can we show people we love them if we don't listen to them?

[@jimmiemorrison6782]

WhenGraceCalled that's right. Listening is so important. It's one of the main reasons I chose to become a counselor. Thanks for sharing.

[@NINAMAVEN]

This is too needed. As someone who has also left the Church.. I agree with what all of you are saying.

[@ShaanSagoo]

It's helped me massively! I really feel personally my relationship with Jesus strengthened so much more and I hear his guidance way more than I ever did with all the loud music and noise and judgement in church. I feel that I am able to really focus on scripture and The Holy Spirit and true Biblical knowledge. Don't let any church pressure you or make you feel bad for leaving, Your relationship with Jesus is way more important than a pressure to go every Sunday and being forced doing things you feel uncomfortable with.

[@mswestmoreland11]

My life has improved since I’ve come out of the bondage of infrastructure, religious practices, and flawed human guidance.

[@pastormike396]

Wow, I'm sorry you were in such as terrible church. All churches are not bad. If the word is not being preached and taught, by all means leave it! But pray and ask God to lead you to a good word church don't just sit at home.

[@Machelle3200]

Exactly..Mine improved too when I got away from the people who were putting black magic on me..Yeah that's right.."church people".. And to be real , it broke my heart.. But I got over it. I thought that was one place besides home I would be safe and accepted. But the people in church are just as wicked as everybody else. smfh.

[@bigz8330]

@@Machelle3200 cause the church is just a building nomore noless I let go off the religious mindset cause they are brainwashed paying for faith and making the pastor and the building rich I pray to the most high and universe and go about my business

[@davidgonzalez825]

I don't need to go to church because I am the church. For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.@@pastormike396

[@bobbullethalf]

I can say without a doubt my life has improved since I left the church. It’s going on 30 years since I last step foot in a church. I have saved money and gotten so much rest on Sunday morning.

[@pastormike396]

Whats gone happen when your money runs out? My God will supply all my needs according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.

[@MissMuttonmeat]

Your statement doesn't make sense, since there are rich atheists living their best lives and poor Christians struggling to put food on the table....

[@SunnyWithNoChanceOfRain]

Meee too 😂😂💯

[@sr.7862]

I left the church building years ago. At first I knew it was the right thing to do. As time has gone by I knew that I was missing one of the most important parts "Fellowship".Yes having small groups you get some of it, but as time goes on it seems to be less and less of the church that responds to meeting elsewhere. Other than the building! Before you know it. The Evil Enemy has came in and caused isolation. So be careful when doing this. Also be careful who you are meeting with to fellowship with and study the word. It can really destroy yourself, your relationship with others and push yourself from your relationship with the Lord. Death is a snake and came to steal, kill, and destroy us all. He will use this time to go at that most important relationship. Where 3 or more gather in my name. So make sure you and 2 others are strong in your knowledge of the word!! So he can't destroy the whole reason you left the building..!!

[@iammzparka]

This right here!

[@A_Kingdom_Well]

It’s.. For where two or three are gathered together in my name, I am there among them" Matthew 18:20. It’s my son and I and that’s all I have in this season. Isolation can be ordained by God for certain reasons and seasons ; especially spiritual abuse.

[@maximinavelasquez1755]

Amen, Beautifully written ❤️

[@godlovescouture8605]

The pandemic has taught me how integral the local church is to the believer. The church to me is encouragement, fellowship, and accountability. It’s the icing on the cake. It intensifies what I’m doing in my own relationship with God. You should seek God for yourself, but i also think the enemy works in isolation and division. If you are not plugged in with other believers and being taught the word of God. Think there is a tendency to create your own God. I also think our culture doesn’t like to be submitted under any kind of authority. We like to do our own thing. Which is where trouble can start.

[@jumbojimbo3601]

Totally 💯 in agreement! It's a distraction from our enemy to get you apart from other believers who can hold you accountable for things you shouldn't be doing! I world of trouble is waiting because Satan I'd going to entice to do something wrong! Church is Jesus Bride that He shall return to come get when she is ready!

[@jumbojimbo3601]

@godlovescouture8605! You said a mouth full Sister! I agree with you!

[@Yt_comments1]

This was beautiful. I feel the same way Shea does. My life has done a 180. All while I was in church my addiction stuck The moment I quit I was able to quit weed though I became sober from alcohol my last year of going to church. God has done tremendous things in my life since I've left the American Church!

[@gallieled5708]

Can the videos be a bit longer 🥺🙏🏾 I am loving the discussion!!

[@claudettegray396]

Please remember that the Word of God states that, we must not forget the assembling of ourselves together. For deep spiritual growth, that is extremely important.

[@jeremiahj3565]

Yes it's the accountability!

[@andreamichelle1]

Spiritual growth comes from fasting, praying, studying and being a doer of God's Word. In the scripture that you mentioned about assembling the church was being heavily persecuted and many were turning away from God and so they were told to keep coming together to encourage one another. The problem is Catholicism. This is why there are 10 churches in the same neighborhood who believe and worship the same Jesus but divided by buildings..

[@sudana08]

The assembly doesn't have to be in the church building. Don't add or take away from what the scriptures say.

[@sudana08]

@@andreamichelle1 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@minbrprice]

It is a shame they left the church to develop their own relationship with God! As faith leaders, we must do a better job of using our platform and influence to help people reach Jesus.

[@Purpleflower7777]

We are to have a personal relationship with our Heavenly Father. A church is a man made building. We are the temple of the Most High. He Abba Father) guide us and teach us. (Holy Spirit) I Left the church but not my Heavenly Father we’re still together everyday. He (Abba Father resides in us as well as outside of us. My sanctuary everyday is under big blue sky where we reason together every day whether rain or shine.

[@minbrprice]

@@Purpleflower7777 That sounds wonderful! The fellowship of believers and the leadership of a pastor was never intended to replace any of that you are doing. The church is an adjunct and asset to your own relationship with God. I challenge you to consider adding worship with others to your own authentic expression and experience with God and see if your relationship does not go to the next level! It will definitely have to be the right fellowship of believers though!

[@MrAntiOrdinary]

It’s not only a shame, but it’s also impossible. No one can act in willful disobedience to clear commands of God to gather as a body (Heb. 10:19-25... notice how the verbs pronouns are plural) and submit to leaders (Heb. 13:17... who are your leaders if you’re not gathering?) but have an improved spiritual life. Someone might FEEL that they are, but if it’s true that we can walk in disobedience and simultaneously see improved relationship with Jesus, why would it only apply to missing church? Maybe I should start and maintain an adulterous relationship and see how it blesses my prayer life? Maybe if I start stealing, God will bless my tithes and offerings, huh?

[@minbrprice]

@@MrAntiOrdinary I see the point you are making. I don’t disagree with you but I wonder if you have fully considered what was shared. Poor application can pervert the purity and purpose of the church. We will never know if they had a better experience if they would have needed to step away to grow in an intimate relationship with God.

[@MrAntiOrdinary]

@@minbrprice I'm not at all sure what your second sentence means. Apart from that, I am stating facts: you cannot step into blatant disobedience AND see an improvement in your spiritual life. That should not be controversial. Stepping away from one church where there are unhealthy practices/teachings is what we hope EVERYONE would do if they discover something unbiblical. But leaving a church with false practices isn't improved upon by skipping church altogether. We applaud persons leaving unbiblical churches to find biblical ones. We warn persons who leave unbiblical churches and then assume sound ones are hard to find to the extent that they are no longer searching but "satisfied" with so-called growth apart from God-ordained worship/fellowship with believers.

[@theduransinch910]

I’ve watched the two episodes and took heed the advice to wait for the second episode. I also took the moderator’s advice: “we need to become listeners; we need to learn how to listen before we speak...” Lisa also noted “when we listen, we can correct our behaviors”. I don’t know how many episodes there are in this series. However, I am convinced as one goes from one segment to another, one could comment and/or clarify that which might be basic misconceptions as what is the church, for example. This can be done without judgement but the responsibility of each believer to correct or give an answer. “The church is a fellowship, an assembly of believers, where the Scripture is rightly divided, where the gospel is taught and proclaimed, and the ordinances are rightly ministered.” - Pastor Matt Chandler (I hope I quoted him correctly...). One must point to Scripture what the church (ekklesia = ek + kaleo = the called out ones) is. I have heard the reasons for leaving of the brothers and sisters that seem to point to 1) failures/shortcomings of staffs, possibly, leadership, 2) theology and doctrine. I heard what they enjoyed in the church and the Word, its teaching, preaching and proclamation is not mentioned at all. In the points above, if the Word is taught then Biblical principles like church discipline should/would have been applied for example in point #1. Or, faith questions or theology of church would have been addressed in point #2. My prayer for our guest panel would be that they find a local church where the Word is rightly divided and faithfully exposited. A right understanding of Scripture compels us to worship in Spirit and truth. It would drive us to God-glorifying service both inside and outside the church. Each believer is called out by God and are purposely planted to a local church. This is the norm that one would see in Scripture (look at the epistles and the book of Acts). Apologies for the long comment... first timer:-)

[@modernchocolatechristians1908]

I spent many years not going to church for various disappointing reasons. I have never been religious nor followed man-made denominational rules. What I discovered is that church is messy and full of personal opinions, not the gospel that Christ preached. Now that I know the influences and deception many church folk are under, I can return from a posture of being helpful to those who want to know the truth and live a victorious Christian life. I miss fellowshipping and look forward to going back when it's safe to do so.

[@nextlevelamazing7865]

Very Respectfully With All Due Respect Good Gods Day, Praying for everyone for Scriptural Spiritual Strength All From Gods Holy Scriptures, If I May, God Bless everyone who has a changed heart and mind and now below is the answer to anyones search to make sure that their sins are forgiven, follow Gods Holy Scriptural instructions below and then, immediately, Obey; *F💡💡d For Thought: *We Must First Make Sure That* *We Are Properly In The Correct* *Body of Christ* There is no Scripture In The Bible Where God Commands That We Simply State That We Except Jesus As Ones Lord And Savior And He Receives Anyone As His Child Without Following and Obeying "ALL" Commands From God To Be His Disciple. GODS SALVATION ●*HEAR:* *ROMANS 10:17 NKJV* 17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. ●*BELIEVE:* *JOHN 3:15-17 (NKJV)* 15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. *MARK 16:16 (NKJV)* 16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. ●*CONFESS:* *MATTHEW 10:32-33 (NKJV)* 32 “Therefore whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father who is in heaven. 33 But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven. *ROMANS 10:9 - 11 (NKJV)* 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” ●*REPENT* *ACTS 2:38 (NKJV)* 38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. *ACTS 17:30 (NKJV)* 30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, ●*MUST BE WATER BAPTIZED* (Body Fully placed in water and brought right back up, not sprinkling, Female can not baptize no one, only A Male Already Baptized Brother of The Church of Christ can Baptize Believers): *MARK 16:16 (NKJV)* 16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. *GALATIANS 3:27 (NKJV)* 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. *ROMANS 6:4 NKJV* 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. *JOHN 3:3-5 (NKJV)* 3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” 4 Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?” 5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. *ACTS 2:38 NKJV* Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. ●*LIVE A WORKING FAITHFUL* *LIFE UNTIL DEATH:* *REVELATION 2:10 (NKJV)* 10 Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life. ●*TEACH THE LOSS WHAT* *YOU HAVE LEARNED ABOUT* *SOUL SALVATION:* *MATTHEW 28:18 - 20 (NKJV)* 18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen. ☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆ *1.* KZbin Search, Find, Search (Google), Call, Email, Visit and Become A True Disciple of The True Body of Jesus Christ, THE CHURCH OF CHRIST NEAREST YOU IN YOUR AREA *2.* THE "CHURCH OF CHRIST" Nearest You, Google to find one near you, there is a "CHURCH OF CHRIST" in almost every city in every state, and in some countries outside of the united states *3.* Here (below) Is What "THE CHURCH OF CHRIST" Looks Like To Make Sure You Are At The Correct "CHURCH OF CHRIST": *4.* Worships Every First First Day of The Week Which is Sunday, God3 Authorizes First Day of The Week For Worship *5.* No Instruments, Congregational Singing Only - No Choir, God does not Authorize instruments during worship *6.* Takes The Lords Supper Every Sunday as God Has Commanded That We Do This In Remembrance of Him; *I Corinthians 11:26 NKJV* For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death till He comes. *7.* No Female Preaching, God3s Scriptures Do Not Authorize for A woman To preach *8.* Ask A Male, A Man, That Is A Leader of the Congregation, a Elder or a Deacon For A Bible Study and answer to the call of The Gospel of Jesus Christ Be Baptized and Be saved for the remission of your Sins, Living Out The Great Commission, Make sure to express to the Brother that will Baptize you that they must say what Scriptures say during Baptism, make sure they say, In The Name of The Father, The Son, The Holy Spirit and That Name Is Jesus Christ or Lord Jesus. V/R Copy/Paste/Screen shot this full Plan of Salvation To Have For Future Studies of Gods Holy Scriptures

[@intraordinarylife]

If I can add my own comment. I stopped going to church because I grew up in church being a 'PK'. During my time at church I realised that my relationship with God was dwindling. But to be honest it was never there in the first place. I had confused religiousity with knowing God. I didn't like being woken up every Sunday because it felt like a chore. My heart has not been in church for a long time because I am awkward by nature and have had plenty awkward interactions with people at church. I didn't feel a part of the church community because I had no faith and no relationship with the people either. I left my church during lockdown. How am I doing? I am struggling...prayer is hard. I can't get 5 minutes of solid prayer time. The flaws are finally showing. I have been playing a Christian all this while. If you understand how I feel please Please pray for me.

[@Sungwryter]

Leaving my church has brought me closer to God.

[@nickjones1314]

me too

[@pastormike396]

Did the Lord lead you to another one or did you get complacent and just sit at home?

[@nickjones1314]

@@pastormike396 When you say the Lord are you referring to the creator of the bible or the Creator of the sun?

[@JP-lw3bt]

@@pastormike396 ain't gonna get people back in church with that holy bully mentally

[@sspann11]

If I buy a pair of shoes I like and when I get home I realize the shoes don't look or feel as good as I thought they did, I'm not going to throw the shoes away and never wear shoes again. I'm going to return them and continue looking until I find the right pair. I believe a lot of people go to church for the music and the word and then they go back home. They go to receive and not to give of themselves in any way. If that was all I was going to church to do, I wouldn't go either. Ministry is what brings me to church on a regular basis. The usher ministry or praise team, men's or women's ministry, outreach ministry, etc. These and other ministries allow you to give love to others by serving them. God told us to forsake not fellowshipping because being around like-minded Christians and allowing iron to sharpen iron will help you grow and mature as a Christian. The other reason we go to church is to be refueled so we can go back outside the 4 walls and tell somebody about Jesus. God uses people to help people. If you're not connected to a home church or even a home group, your isolation will hinder your witness and your ability to help others spiritually. I've seen the lack of growth from those in my extended family who no longer go. It's obvious, but they don't even realize it. Find a church that fits your size and get to work serving God and His people.

[@nath_addai]

Thanks for that! I still sense the guests in this video don't understand that 😔

[@latwaunmccottrell1445]

This!!

[@nellyd9280]

Sspann11, I totally agree. And that growth through time, through certain discomfort is important in so many aspects of life ( marriage, friendship, career, completing studies)...

[@RamLaska]

I think when people need to realize is that the whole point is to get so strong that you don't HAVE to go to church, but you go to church to bless others.

[@BingoNamo-gb8pz]

As long as you’re in a church that allows you to do that. Sitting in a chair for 2 hours hearing the same message on repeat for 15 years, giving the same person all the tithes until they become a millionaire & sustaining their millionaire lifestyle was not at all blessing anyone, but feeding my own religious ego & the pastor’s ego & promoting a false works based money hungry religion. This is happening in nearly every “word of faith/charismatic/prosperity/spirit filled” church in America sadly.

[@dray4393]

Since people want to cut out the "middle man", can someone please explain (Ephe4:11-15;Jer3:15;Rom10:14)?

[@walterruth5901]

I respect their decision. I really think that they had bad experiences and just needed that separation to mature some. That said, I completely agree with you. It's good to have someone, a mentor or pastor, to be held accountable to so we don't get lead astray. We leave ourselves vulnerable to the enemy when we try to go it alone. Ecclesiastes 4:12 says it all.

[@carltonhepburn4072]

Preach brother I was thinking the same thing...

[@yam153]

They've been DECEIVED, as well no mention of Jesus Christ the Only Saviour, what god were they talking about?

[@freevee5974]

D Ray, you have to start with the premise the Greek word use by Jesus and in the Septuagint for Israel - ekklesia, translated as church but better translated as congregation. It was used for when there was a local matter to be discussed and handled, the people were called out to meet, discuss and handle the matter then disburse. It was not religious nor was it a weekly assemblage. It was more secular. There was a Greek word for regular religious gatherings like we see with churches today, thiasos. That word was never used in the Bible. So if you remove the religion, the doctrine, and the religious viewpoint when studying the Scriptures, you can see the point behind those verses you mentioned. Eph 4:11-15 shows that there would be wise and experienced Christian men who could help Christians reject harmful philosophies on how to conduct their LIVES. Jer 3:15 discusses shepherds or leaders who would help the Israelites LIVE on a daily basis according to the Law (nothing religious there). Rom 10:14 is in context of getting out the message about Christ (vs 17). Even in the 1st century a person could become a Christian the same day they heard the message about him. (Acts 16:30-34) There are billions of people who have heard the message about Christ today. Again, Christianity in the Bible has nothing to do with religion.

[@walterruth5901]

@@freevee5974 When we say, "the church" did this or didn't do this, we have to clear because, we serve the Living God. We are the body of Christ, we are the church. We don't need the construct but, we need the fellowship. We need that second and third cord in Ecclesiastes 4:12. Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend. Proverbs 27:17 KJV So complete autonomy is bad. Even when Paul was imprisoned, he kept in constant communication with the communities and Luke and Timothy.

[@iTACHI270]

My life improved substantially after leaving the church. I put my time, effort, and energy into not relying on an external force to "save" me but instead working harder to achieve my goals.

[@dmana3172]

Exactly!

[@mrenae6798]

I love how people can poor their heart out regarding why they left the church and some responses are:” Do not forsake the assembly!” And “ the enemy wants you isolated!” Yes yes, we know this. But we’re telling you there are issues in the structure of the church. Why would people go back to a place that has hurt them when the structure is still the same? That’s insanity. Doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results. A change needs to take place amongst leadership in order for the church to mirror what Christ intended His church to be.

[@noneyourbusiness2994]

I've learned so much more and actually had a relationship for myself since leaving the church to be honest there's so much more on KZbin that's helped me there's so much you can learn that they don't talk about in church

[@cynthiawheeler0324]

I enjoy these conversations. The distinction between leaving the church and the Faith needs to be made. ‘Leaving the Church’ is often synonymous with also leaving the faith.

[@Naymichelle76]

I love when you said “The greatest apologetic tool is listening.” In my experience, when I’ve gone to people (especially church people) to have a conversation about an issue, they always find a way to dismiss or spiritualize what you have to say. They demonize and maintain this judgmental and critical stance to make themselves look like the “good guy.” Instead of listening and offering a genuine apology when they’re wrong, they result to crazy-making behavior and act surprised or shocked that you brought their mess into the light. I learned some great things in the church, but have also learned the hardest lessons.

[@kairi3177]

My only criticism about this: I could only LIKE it once

[@MrsRildaReads]

I wish these videos were longer! All the samples ands no where to buy!😂Thanks for modeling what it looks like to love people. Loving is listening.

[@finding_aether]

Leaving and detoxing christianity out of my system was the best thing that happened to me. 😇

[@oldschool5]

What caused you to leave Christianity

[@finding_aether]

@@oldschool5 i found out it was not true :D

[@BingoNamo-gb8pz]

@@finding_aetherwhat is your definition of Christianity? 9x out of 10 it’s the definition that’s false, not Christianity itself.

[@trevelljohnson3399]

Please understand God have placed under shepherds in the church which are Pastor's I myself feel like the Leaders definitely have failed us in God house especially us young folks. Accountability is everything. God will raise up Leaders to feed his sheep and care for his sheep.

[@calebcranke777]

@Omar Savory that’s not absolutely true. It’s true in some cases. The Catholic religion has many ways that are not biblical. For instance praying to Mary, confessions to priest, and praying to the saints. There’s no scripture that supports that. Also they believe that the pope is the only person to interpret the Bible. The Bible refutes that notion as well as there is no private interpretation of the scripture. They believe priest cannot be married? Where does the Bible say that. There’s a reason why the Protestants left the Catholic faith because there was a lot of pagan traditions that were going on. In my opinion where is the unity of faith in the body of believers. Too many denominations which makes it confusing for unbelievers, that weakens the church in my opinion. There’s a lot of vain traditions that are man made in all denominations. The church in all needs to go back to the basics of the Bible.

[@nextlevelamazing7865]

Very Respectfully With All Due Respect Good Gods Day, Praying for everyone for Scriptural Spiritual Strength All From Gods Holy Scriptures, If I May, God Bless everyone who has a changed heart and mind and now below is the answer to anyones search to make sure that their sins are forgiven, follow Gods Holy Scriptural instructions below and then, immediately, Obey; *F💡💡d For Thought: *We Must First Make Sure That* *We Are Properly In The Correct* *Body of Christ* There is no Scripture In The Bible Where God Commands That We Simply State That We Except Jesus As Ones Lord And Savior And He Receives Anyone As His Child Without Following and Obeying "ALL" Commands From God To Be His Disciple. GODS SALVATION ●*HEAR:* *ROMANS 10:17 NKJV* 17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. ●*BELIEVE:* *JOHN 3:15-17 (NKJV)* 15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. *MARK 16:16 (NKJV)* 16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. ●*CONFESS:* *MATTHEW 10:32-33 (NKJV)* 32 “Therefore whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father who is in heaven. 33 But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven. *ROMANS 10:9 - 11 (NKJV)* 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” ●*REPENT* *ACTS 2:38 (NKJV)* 38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. *ACTS 17:30 (NKJV)* 30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, ●*MUST BE WATER BAPTIZED* (Body Fully placed in water and brought right back up, not sprinkling, Female can not baptize no one, only A Male Already Baptized Brother of The Church of Christ can Baptize Believers): *MARK 16:16 (NKJV)* 16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. *GALATIANS 3:27 (NKJV)* 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. *ROMANS 6:4 NKJV* 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. *JOHN 3:3-5 (NKJV)* 3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” 4 Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?” 5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. *ACTS 2:38 NKJV* Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. ●*LIVE A WORKING FAITHFUL* *LIFE UNTIL DEATH:* *REVELATION 2:10 (NKJV)* 10 Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life. ●*TEACH THE LOSS WHAT* *YOU HAVE LEARNED ABOUT* *SOUL SALVATION:* *MATTHEW 28:18 - 20 (NKJV)* 18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen. ☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆ *1.* KZbin Search, Find, Search (Google), Call, Email, Visit and Become A True Disciple of The True Body of Jesus Christ, THE CHURCH OF CHRIST NEAREST YOU IN YOUR AREA *2.* THE "CHURCH OF CHRIST" Nearest You, Google to find one near you, there is a "CHURCH OF CHRIST" in almost every city in every state, and in some countries outside of the united states *3.* Here (below) Is What "THE CHURCH OF CHRIST" Looks Like To Make Sure You Are At The Correct "CHURCH OF CHRIST": *4.* Worships Every First First Day of The Week Which is Sunday, God3 Authorizes First Day of The Week For Worship *5.* No Instruments, Congregational Singing Only - No Choir, God does not Authorize instruments during worship *6.* Takes The Lords Supper Every Sunday as God Has Commanded That We Do This In Remembrance of Him; *I Corinthians 11:26 NKJV* For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death till He comes. *7.* No Female Preaching, God3s Scriptures Do Not Authorize for A woman To preach *8.* Ask A Male, A Man, That Is A Leader of the Congregation, a Elder or a Deacon For A Bible Study and answer to the call of The Gospel of Jesus Christ Be Baptized and Be saved for the remission of your Sins, Living Out The Great Commission, Make sure to express to the Brother that will Baptize you that they must say what Scriptures say during Baptism, make sure they say, In The Name of The Father, The Son, The Holy Spirit and That Name Is Jesus Christ or Lord Jesus. V/R Copy/Paste/Screen shot this full Plan of Salvation To Have For Future Studies of Gods Holy Scriptures

[@pastormike396]

Trevell, thank you for your statement. I am a pastor and I see a lot of people leave the church because they don't want to be accountable to anybody or for anything! God is a God order and the church was design to bring unity among his people. There is not perfect church so why leave it? Stay there and become STRONG in God's word to stand against what's wrong with it.

[@pastormike396]

@Omar Savory Just read Acts chapter 2 and compare that church to the church of today! Take note of what that church did to create such a strong church. A great number of Christians today don't even fellowship, trying to justify the fact that they don't hsve to go to church, its sad, which speaks to spiritual immaturity and scriptural ignorance.

[@dcanty3122]

"Anti-unhealthy church"... Yes, spot on!

[@ebundavid]

If the church is not an organization but a people, then she is referring to the people as unhealthy, no? Then in what world does the unhealthy judge others to be unhealthy?

[@caridadmercedes3088]

@@ebundavid I believe she's speaking about the way the church operates. Not necessarily the people.

[@ebundavid]

@@caridadmercedes3088 the church operates the way people operate it, it's the same thing. A criticism of the operation is a criticism of the operators

[@caridadmercedes3088]

@@ebundavid this is very much so true. I understand.

[@theunknownone2189]

I go to a messianic synagogue and will tell anyone to go back to the Jewish roots of Christianity. You will see that a lot of mess in our modern churches is not of God.

[@Jennifeerrlz]

Ever since I stopped going to church I find myself reading my Bible more and seeking God for myself. I feel more at peace too, less pressure to be this perfect person and simply come to Jesus as I am

[@iamsasky2045]

Vince looks like he’s soooooo over church lol

[@jessemayo6002]

I don't blame him. It can be draining. 😩

[@nev2943]

Let's call a spade a spade. There are a lot of 'church people,' who find pleasure in belittle others for the choices they've made. The church has cast systems just like any other culture. There is way too much competition in church. For example, my church community obsessed over who was going to what school, who had the best career, clothes and who was next in line to get married, who was divorced and who was having babies. As a young woman growing up in church I was bullied because I came from humble beginnings and I was always a bit shy. So I never had the best clothes or hair do and I was always made to feel like I was never good enough in the eyes of people who attended that church and even in my own family (who often compared me to people in church). As an attempt to save my mental health I left church about 6 years ago. My life drastically improved. I'm engaged, debt free and looking forward to the future. My connection with God did not falter. Happiness, joy, peace is not attached to a building...especially if that building focuses its attention on 'popularity,' and gossip rather than ensuring the right amount of soul food is being served to those who really need it.

[@dmoncure97]

Yes I agree you can have that one on one relationship with God. The Bible however says don't forsake the assembly meaning we must gather with other believers and it's good to be around other believers. And the Pastor IF he is godsent is there to help you with you walk. The Bible say “how can you hear without the preacher, and how can he preach if he is not sent”? If that Pastor is Godsent he will help you with your walk in God. God places other believers in our lives to help us with our walk of faith, to hold us accountable. But much respect to them for sharing their stories. Also to us Christians if we are not doing what we were called to do we need to start.

[@Witcherworks]

“The Bible however says don’t forsake the assembly meaning we must gather with other believers “ Chapter and verse please. You know, so all can see what you said.

[@willgretzky5156]

Hebrews 10 vs 24-25 it never stated that we had to gather at an actual church building we are the church so if we choose to meet at a coffee shop a park or at someone’s home we are not forsaking the assembly. I do agree if we are in church we have to be under a God sent pastor as you stated but that’s kinda the hard part for me finding a true pastor that’s lead by the almighty

[@Witcherworks]

@@willgretzky5156 Now you see the point of my comment. MANY speak the word with zeal but lack Knowledge and the understanding within. People are using man made opinions to justify unrighteousness things. First, how do you know if the Pastor is send from God if you, yourself don’t know if you are saved? 2. People love to mingle. Church is just a scapegoat for that purpose. Once these people leave out, they go right back to their sinful life’s. 3. What we are called to do as “Christians” (a word that is another created opinion) is to tell the Truth! Everything you see regarding church is proof there is a lack of understanding of the scriptures due to people respecting persons. Another thing scripture warns. Thank you for allowing me to place this lesson in the comments.

[@truehistory261]

Who wrote the bible ?????? WHAT CITY WAS IT WRITTEN IN ???? AND WHAT YEAR WAS IT WROTE ?????can any Christian answer these questions

[@Witcherworks]

@@truehistory261 Why does that matter? Do you believe the Earth is a Ball? If so, have you seen it for yourself or are you looking at pictures that others given you? How about ask, is what in the Scriptures true or false? Does it work if you accept it without doubt? Of course you wouldn't ask these things because your focus is on things that don't matter. It's here isn't it? The people exist (by worldly standards) don't they? Let's be honest, if you really cared you wouldn't have asked such a things in the first place. It seems your focus is to disprove it. Why? You don't have to believe or agree with anything in it. That's your choice.

[@pastorkeys6269]

When are you going to do a session on why believers/disciples should assemble regularly with other believers (Heb. 10:25) - using the scriptures, not our feelings as the guide? That would be the most helpful to everyone.

[@pastorkeys6269]

Ok. How do you square that with Eph. 4:7 - 16 & I Tim 3 (As well as the other epistles) that contain instructions for the local church as part of the Body of Christ?

[@OffTheCrypto]

@@pastorkeys6269 no where in those scripture does it confirm you need a specific building to do any of these needs... you can do this at a home or anywhere...

[@pastorkeys6269]

Referencing a building is a moot point. The real issue is the Biblical principle of committing to being a part of a local Body of Believers under the regular preaching, teaching (via Pastoral/Deacon/Congregational Leadership) where there is ongoing discipleship , fellowship, worship, evangelism, celebrating the Lord's Supper Counseling weddings, funerals, baptism, not to mention accountability and Church Discipline. The point is not a building per se but the mandate to be part of a committed, Spiritually and physically connected Body of Christ - His Church...

[@jamies4748]

The reality is believers do not have to depend on the local church to learn and grow in the word of God. The gospel is being preach into the nations via technology just as Jesus intended.

[@pastorkeys6269]

@@jamies4748 Again, how are Believers belivers are to grow in Worship, Faith, Discipleship, Fellowship, Stewardship and Evangelism in accordance with the Scriptures? Yes, technology is an excellent vehicle for spreading the Gospel, but once people are reached, they need to be Baptized and discipled (Matt. 28:18 - 20). God has ordained His Church, of which Christ the Head, to equip and engage His people in Worship and Work of ministry (Eph. 4:12 - 16).

[@scotlandd]

I totally agree. I read my Bible more and I don't have to deal with judgemental people.

[@Marchant2]

The fact that I can sleep in on Sundays alone is an improvement to life.

[@richlyredeemed48]

Listening is always a good starting point followed by evangelizing the truth of relationship through the Word of God. God bless. ✝️✝️✝️

[@ebundavid]

True. If you don't follow listening with sound doctrine, you've accomplished nothing.

[@steveirungujermaine-r9b]

i left church a year ago and the good thing is God is gracious

[@bcdmovement6856]

Who hold them accountable without church

[@minbrprice]

Good question. I believe it is the role of the Holy Spirit to convict us and compel us to live holy. The fellowship of believers are there to provide confirmation and encouragement.

[@tameracoates398]

God holds us accountable. There are preachers and clergymen who are molesting kids, having affairs, stealing from the church- The list goes on. Who holds THEM accountable. God does. That’s one point they were making in the video... We are getting so attached to the CHURCH we are forgetting God. We attach ourselves to tradition and habit- Not the actual message behind it.

[@bcdmovement6856]

@@tameracoates398 agree and you can still have christian friends that can hold you accountable if your walk isnt that strong

[@bcdmovement6856]

@@minbrprice absolutely

[@MrAntiOrdinary]

“God holds us accountable” is a true but incomplete answer because it ignores that God uses people in almost every aspect of our lives to carry out His will. When Christians are lovingly holding each other accountable-not because one is “better” than the other but for true concern for spiritual well-being-that IS the Holy Spirit working within and through people to hold one another accountable.

[@elizabethschrier1344]

Yes indeed, drastically, for the better!

[@BlaxkNobility]

I got saved by not going to church but by reading the bible.

[@nextlevelamazing7865]

Very Respectfully With All Due Respect Good Gods Day, Praying for everyone for Scriptural Spiritual Strength All From Gods Holy Scriptures, God Bless everyone who has a changed heart and mind and now below is the answer to anyones search to make sure that their sins are forgiven, follow Gods Holy Scriptural instructions below and then, immediately, Obey; *F💡💡d For Thought: *We Must First Make Sure That* *We Are Properly In The Correct* *Body of Christ* There is no Scripture In The Bible Where God Commands That We Simply State That We Except Jesus As Ones Lord And Savior And He Receives Anyone As His Child Without Following and Obeying "ALL" Commands From God To Be His Disciple. GODS SALVATION ●*HEAR:* *ROMANS 10:17 NKJV* 17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. ●*BELIEVE:* *JOHN 3:15-17 (NKJV)* 15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. *MARK 16:16 (NKJV)* 16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. ●*CONFESS:* *MATTHEW 10:32-33 (NKJV)* 32 “Therefore whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father who is in heaven. 33 But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven. *ROMANS 10:9 - 11 (NKJV)* 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” ●*REPENT* *ACTS 2:38 (NKJV)* 38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. *ACTS 17:30 (NKJV)* 30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, ●*MUST BE WATER BAPTIZED* (Body Fully placed in water and brought right back up, not sprinkling, Female can not baptize no one, only A Male Already Baptized Brother of The Church of Christ can Baptize Believers): *MARK 16:16 (NKJV)* 16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. *GALATIANS 3:27 (NKJV)* 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. *ROMANS 6:4 NKJV* 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. *JOHN 3:3-5 (NKJV)* 3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” 4 Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?” 5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. *ACTS 2:38 NKJV* Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. ●*LIVE A WORKING FAITHFUL* *LIFE UNTIL DEATH:* *REVELATION 2:10 (NKJV)* 10 Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life. ●*TEACH THE LOSS WHAT* *YOU HAVE LEARNED ABOUT* *SOUL SALVATION:* *MATTHEW 28:18 - 20 (NKJV)* 18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen. ☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆ *1.* KZbin Search, Find, Search (Google), Call, Email, Visit and Become A True Disciple of The True Body of Jesus Christ, THE CHURCH OF CHRIST NEAREST YOU IN YOUR AREA *2.* THE "CHURCH OF CHRIST" Nearest You, Google to find one near you, there is a "CHURCH OF CHRIST" in almost every city in every state, and in some countries outside of the united states *3.* Here (below) Is What "THE CHURCH OF CHRIST" Looks Like To Make Sure You Are At The Correct "CHURCH OF CHRIST": *4.* Worships Every First First Day of The Week Which is Sunday, God3 Authorizes First Day of The Week For Worship *5.* No Instruments, Congregational Singing Only - No Choir, God does not Authorize instruments during worship *6.* Takes The Lords Supper Every Sunday as God Has Commanded That We Do This In Remembrance of Him; *I Corinthians 11:26 NKJV* For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death till He comes. *7.* No Female Preaching, God3s Scriptures Do Not Authorize for A woman To preach *8.* Ask A Male, A Man, That Is A Leader of the Congregation, a Elder or a Deacon For A Bible Study and answer to the call of The Gospel of Jesus Christ Be Baptized and Be saved for the remission of your Sins, Living Out The Great Commission, Make sure to express to the Brother that will Baptize you that they must say what Scriptures say during Baptism, make sure they say, In The Name of The Father, The Son, The Holy Spirit and That Name Is Jesus Christ or Lord Jesus. V/R Copy/Paste/Screen shot this full Plan of Salvation To Have For Future Studies of Gods Holy Scriptures

[@neotune819]

Same here

[@delteenanewman5303]

Since I left the sanctuary I have been more spiritual I have a better connection with God i listen to God more than listen to what a preacher said, I feel free as the birds walking in love i am more in love with myself as a spiritual being

[@WordSpeak1048]

I'm gonna pray about this because right now I don't see how this discussion was helpful. Our feelings don't matter. Our how we move is supposed to be based on what His word says.

[@ceedubu64]

This was an awesome conversation to facilitate understanding of those who have left the church building and not God! It is a necessary conversation as well. Thank you for having it!

[@donnyetta]

My life is light and refreshing since I left (dis)organized religion. Am doing deep study like never before and God answers my prayers still. I intended to visit a different church every Sunday, just to have others read a bit of the Bible to me, for a change. So far, in 7 months, my life has been too full to fit church visiting in.

[@donahvanhollis22]

After years outside my Religious cell & years of truth seeking & peaceful silence, i realized The "Christian Confession of Faith" sets the stage for emotional turmoil & depression in us. You verbally contract away your Birthright by accepting an idea of being born seperate from God when deep down you KNOW you were never seperate from God an as a child you KNEW you were connected to God long before someone bewitched you into believing you wernt. We confessed "unworthiness" then started chasing worth we felt missing. We surrendered the glory God gave us then spent decades searching for some glory we felt missing in our lives. Christian authir John Eldredge said, "The glory of God is man made fully alive!" I agree✊🏽 Finding nothing to quinch our thirst we beg God why? But truth is God was always rt behind your eyes, feeling what you feel an creating from your will😇

[@Prodigious1One]

I'm glad that they mentioned feeling more connected to God.

[@HeyTash]

I had a period where I left the church and tended to my relationship with God and at a point the Holy Spirit led me to an actual fellowship to be a part of. It’s fine to leave for a season to de/re-program ESPECIALLY if you were raised in a (dysfunctional) church environment like I was. But I don’t believe Christ created the church as an option. I pray that everyone finds the kind of fellowship I have because the typical church out there ain’t it. But we neeeeeeed a fellowship relationship like that illustrated in the Word. To not have one is to rob yourself. Real talk.

[@TheeBethakneeJ]

My question is, doesn't the bible say that we are the church? Good building is where we fellowship with other 'churches' but you don't necessarily have to be in the building to have church

[@calebcranke777]

This is dope ministry!!! Love the apologetic aspect

[@HeyTash]

Right. It’s honest. They’re not pretending to listen so they can preach but they are clear in their intentions at the same time.

[@MB-zy4cm]

I left church because it added greatly to my social anxiety. Mingling and chatting is exhausting. The music is too loud ...and the service too long for me to concentrate. I love my Faith journey now... Classical music..walking...art..slow stitching...knitting ..all things creative! Listening to the Lord daily!

[@MusicalNotes1986]

Respectfully My Opinion 1. Yes, a personal relationship with Christ is most important above all else 2. Yes we must learn to Listen to others more before we jump to respond....Listen to Understand. But we can't leave it at just listening. 3. We have to learn the difference between "Judging to Condemn" and "Judging to Convict". The bible says that Judgement begins at the house of God, and so we must judge each other according to the Word of God so that we may all be held accountable for our actions. 4. As the bible teaches, we still must not forsake the "Fellowship" of the saints. That's the whole purpose of going to Church. 5. The church is a hospital, so understand that it will be full of people who are full of issues, problems and mistakes. No church will have it all together, you have to accept that some things you just won't like. I do agree that some things can push someone away from a church, but it shouldn't push you away from Church altogether.

[@robertbradford9995]

Everything you said was good but 5 is not true the church is not a hospital the church is Christ body not a hospital for sick folks

[@MusicalNotes1986]

@@robertbradford9995 You're correct....we are the "Church" itself, the body of Christ. I should have clarified. Going to "Church" (the building) can be related to going into a Hospital. I've come across so many people who have left "Church" because of a bad experience, and pass judgement on the entire body as if we're all corrupted. Very saddening

[@robertbradford9995]

@Lorenzo Furr true, trust me I have been hurt my church folks as well even Christ was hurt by his people. The bible says he came unto his own and his own recieved him not. The thing is they are too busy looking at the people instead of looking at Christ. People will let you down but the God will never let you down.

[@iamthepossible]

I truly feel these people and have thought the same thoughts, yet I have a question 🙋🏽‍♂️ what do you all say about (community). The NEED for community? I won’t even bring up scriptures that point to the need for community. I’ll just speak for my own personal experience, - how the community of believers help me to grow and develop, and give me an opportunity to build interpersonal communication skills, and develop as a man of faith. I find there’s great value in being part of a community that is contributing to the development of his members and the surrounding communities it’s a part of.

[@NewLife-yb8dq]

Wonderful. Glad I came across this. Peace and love.

[@Athanasius242]

When I saw "Leaving the Church" in the title I initially thought they were leaving the body of Christ but, now I see they're leaving the congregations they were apart of (which is perfectly fine). Not all congregations are healthy, not all are biblical. I would encourage anyone to leave an unhealthy (toxic, abusive, manipulative, heretical) congregation and seek a healthy biblical one. The key is for us to join a community of believers. If it were meant to be a road traveled alone the Apostles (being led by the Spirit of God) would have never planted churches nor would they have bishops (e.g. Timothy and Titus) nor teachings on who to select as Bishop, Elder, and Deacons, etc..

[@BlackandBlessed100]

I am a Christian I love my church since 1996. I have been in this church, my church with people that respect, different backgrounds and different ethnic groups and I know there are many churches that are not like my church and I respect all of people that have decided to leave, the church, I understand

[@Abel_Girma91]

The Church in the 1st century is the church I would want to be apart of...but church nowadays is about cliques/culture not Jesus and that's wack....also church is where 2 or 3 gather in his name...remember that

[@Milka_Furaha]

We are the church as individuals

[@torr-uu2yo]

You sure? the 1st century church was heavily persecuted.

[@Abel_Girma91]

@@torr-uu2yo better to persecuted and know your truly abiding by God's word then to be lukewarm

[@pastormike396]

Abel keep looking, there is a church that will feed and minister to your needs. Get your eyes off people and focus on Christ and your personal relationship.

[@jayfry895]

Read your Bible daily and Do What it says.

[@wynterpitts1182]

Thank you for this!

[@katiefountain2407]

One of the best things to happen to me was getting kicked out of a toxic church. 3 days out of there and my stomach pains went away... A few friends and I decided to stay in the neighborhood. So we began gathering for church at one of their homes. 4 years later and not only have many unchurched people have been served and decipled... Each one of the original group would say they've grown more these last few years then their many years in "church"....

[@katiefountain2407]

The part I love most is that there is no pastor or preacher. We have Bible studies where we pray read and discuss. Sermons would always put me to sleep.

[@stevesmith1493]

“You will know them by the way they love one another.” You can attend church and remain independent. We do need to be around people who believe like we do. It’s very important to learn how to give and support others in the Faith.

[@jdean4268]

Well said 1st lady that says her life has greatly improved!!!!

[@irwing1001]

I thought Shea’s comment was interesting in that she feels there is no longer being a middleman, as I grew up in the RC church. There I felt the clergy was the middleman. We have the freedom to go directly to God. I think God wants us to be in the word, praying, seeking and serving outside of Sunday service and we can grow that way. I take all the comments here to heart and I’m glad that these discussions are happening.

[@rong648]

And let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good works, not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching.

[@sabrenabrantley6200]

@lisa Fields I’m generation x and there are some of us that are at the point of not going also. I’d love to be on the panel. I’m 57 gre up literally in church and about 10 yrs ago I started studying on my own. Now I’m like a lost puppy

[@sopeodusami9250]

So my understanding is that they left the physical church and not the Christian faith? Their issues seem more with people than God. Which I totally understand as I have felt the same for past 2 years. But as Vince said my belief of Gods existence remains unchanged. I decided to focus more on my faith and self development and how God can use me in all the areas I desire to see change. Great conversation and yes listening is very important. Unfortunately many leaders in the faith are more focused on money, power and celebrity to listen and consider correction and change.

[@christtech9115]

In the scriptures there was a woman named Martha and she was caught up in her feelings. She didn't like the way the house church was being run. She wanted to be heard, and Jesus listened to her. Then Jesus redirected her back to His Word, because Jesus felt that listening to the Word of God was more important, and more transformative then her complaints(Luke 10:38-42). To hear people voice their displeasure, and not redirect them back to Jesus is a missed opportunity. Only Jesus can fix what is broken. We are God's farmers, we scatter His Word like seed. We don't determine the soil, we plant. God makes it grow. Maybe he activates the seed we planted today, may He waits and turns it on tomorrow, or ten years from now. The Word of God flows through our spirit drenching it with living water. God's word is a yeast, that works it's way through the discontentment within our hearts.

[@davidtorres6491]

As a believer to me and single people debate with self-indulgence/where to find it in the bible A-z resource

[@lionoffireministries]

In my previous church my pastor told me that I was not allowed to read the Bible at home with close friends because it was too dangerous without a church leader!! I was not allowed to pray with them either. He said that all teaching and “prayer meetings” had to be in the church. Also seeker-friendly preaching! 😩 I eventually confronted my pastor. I share what happened - in a new series which I have just created. If you are interested you can see this on Lion of Fire Ministries 🦁🔥 Bless you, Matt

[@sqiggle]

I feel like my energy is drained when I go to church and I haven’t been able to find Jesus for myself

[@honeyboy3rd]

Gr8 convo again...wow Praying 4U &yo ministry guests #blessGOD

[@nicolegomezxoxo]

I hear what they're saying.I don't currently go to church, but I too have a strong relationship with God. However, I do believe there's a level of spirituality we won't be able to reach without fellowship. There's something about church culture that is off-putting. I've tried different church's myself, and I've always felt like I don't belong. I feel like I need to watch what I say around people, and I absolutely hate that. It doesn't feel like people genuinely ask about you because they want to know you or build a relationship with you, but rather it feels more like they trying to get a read on you so they can categorize you. It's frustrating, especially because they Bible emphasizes fellowship throughout scripture. And the purpose of fellowship is to build one another up. 'As iron sharpens iron' (Prov 17:7) and 'two are better than one' (Ecc 4:9). So, I'm still trying to figure out the church thing.

[@deeman524]

For me it's both , It feels so good to escape religion and drama. But on the flip, I miss the family ties and ministry.

[@monie948]

2:10 but God said to Fellowship it says that in the Bible I think she is antisocial or an introvert

[@chrisulmer694]

*I’m a white guy from white suburbia who left the evangelical “church” recently because of all of the racism, bigotry and xenophobia. It’s actually ingrained THROUGHOUT that culture and I know that for a fact because I have PLENTY of experience of witnessing it first hand for myself. And as someone who grew up in the culture I came up in, I will say that there’s not really that much difference between the evangelical “Church” and the Nazis or the Klan.* *It’s time to let this shit go bankrupt and extinct by no longer having anything to do with ANY of it. Perhaps something real and pure can be created out of its ashes.*

[@whatshatnin4572]

WoW

[@chrisulmer694]

@@whatshatnin4572 *If what I’ve said has given you a level of peace and hope, knowing that there ARE white people (like myself) who AREN’T going to put up with this shit, then it was well worth doing it. I know I don’t know you, but even if it were just for you then it was still well worth it because it’s the right thing to do and there AIN’T no difference between you and me. If you want, you can read more about my story on Facebook......you can find me at “Chris Ulmer Knoxville Tennessee” on Facebook. All the best to you, brother.*

[@dyrtiredd4906]

The creation and afterlife promises of Christianity keep me close to GOD. 🙏🏽🙌🏽☕ #blessings #peace #love

[@nextlevelamazing7865]

Very Respectfully With All Due Respect Good Gods Day, Praying for everyone for Scriptural Spiritual Strength All From Gods Holy Scriptures, If I May, God Bless everyone who has a changed heart and mind and now below is the answer to anyones search to make sure that their sins are forgiven, follow Gods Holy Scriptural instructions below and then, immediately, Obey; *F💡💡d For Thought: *We Must First Make Sure That* *We Are Properly In The Correct* *Body of Christ* There is no Scripture In The Bible Where God Commands That We Simply State That We Except Jesus As Ones Lord And Savior And He Receives Anyone As His Child Without Following and Obeying "ALL" Commands From God To Be His Disciple. GODS SALVATION ●*HEAR:* *ROMANS 10:17 NKJV* 17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. ●*BELIEVE:* *JOHN 3:15-17 (NKJV)* 15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. *MARK 16:16 (NKJV)* 16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. ●*CONFESS:* *MATTHEW 10:32-33 (NKJV)* 32 “Therefore whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father who is in heaven. 33 But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven. *ROMANS 10:9 - 11 (NKJV)* 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” ●*REPENT* *ACTS 2:38 (NKJV)* 38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. *ACTS 17:30 (NKJV)* 30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, ●*MUST BE WATER BAPTIZED* (Body Fully placed in water and brought right back up, not sprinkling, Female can not baptize no one, only A Male Already Baptized Brother of The Church of Christ can Baptize Believers): *MARK 16:16 (NKJV)* 16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. *GALATIANS 3:27 (NKJV)* 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. *ROMANS 6:4 NKJV* 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. *JOHN 3:3-5 (NKJV)* 3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” 4 Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?” 5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. *ACTS 2:38 NKJV* Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. ●*LIVE A WORKING FAITHFUL* *LIFE UNTIL DEATH:* *REVELATION 2:10 (NKJV)* 10 Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life. ●*TEACH THE LOSS WHAT* *YOU HAVE LEARNED ABOUT* *SOUL SALVATION:* *MATTHEW 28:18 - 20 (NKJV)* 18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen. ☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆ *1.* KZbin Search, Find, Search (Google), Call, Email, Visit and Become A True Disciple of The True Body of Jesus Christ, THE CHURCH OF CHRIST NEAREST YOU IN YOUR AREA *2.* THE "CHURCH OF CHRIST" Nearest You, Google to find one near you, there is a "CHURCH OF CHRIST" in almost every city in every state, and in some countries outside of the united states *3.* Here (below) Is What "THE CHURCH OF CHRIST" Looks Like To Make Sure You Are At The Correct "CHURCH OF CHRIST": *4.* Worships Every First First Day of The Week Which is Sunday, God3 Authorizes First Day of The Week For Worship *5.* No Instruments, Congregational Singing Only - No Choir, God does not Authorize instruments during worship *6.* Takes The Lords Supper Every Sunday as God Has Commanded That We Do This In Remembrance of Him; *I Corinthians 11:26 NKJV* For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death till He comes. *7.* No Female Preaching, God3s Scriptures Do Not Authorize for A woman To preach *8.* Ask A Male, A Man, That Is A Leader of the Congregation, a Elder or a Deacon For A Bible Study and answer to the call of The Gospel of Jesus Christ Be Baptized and Be saved for the remission of your Sins, Living Out The Great Commission, Make sure to express to the Brother that will Baptize you that they must say what Scriptures say during Baptism, make sure they say, In The Name of The Father, The Son, The Holy Spirit and That Name Is Jesus Christ or Lord Jesus. V/R Copy/Paste/Screen shot this full Plan of Salvation To Have For Future Studies of Gods Holy Scriptures

[@AA-vl3gu]

John 4:24 kjv "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." I left church to basically clear from their influence, to get it right and follow the holy spirit. Its amazing how mamy other so called believers have a problem with the biblical beliefs ive come to. Makes me realise why theres churches. The people that judge you for leaving are probably the same ones unwilling to leave the heresy in their owm church.

[@gashlee34]

Allow my cynicism for a moment, but this shows how much discipleship is important. And also strong understanding of the bible. Personal reading and studying of the bible on the believer's part and extensive teaching on the church's part. I did not have much information on the discussion to off on this 7 minute piece. On one part do not forsake the assembly, on the other part spiritual growth is not quantified by church attendance. Discernment is needed to distinguish between judgment and constructive criticism.

[@gymeni]

Great discussion. I am thankful to have discovered you.

[@nextlevelamazing7865]

Very Respectfully With All Due Respect Good Gods Day, Praying for everyone for Scriptural Spiritual Strength All From Gods Holy Scriptures, If I May, God Bless everyone who has a changed heart and mind and now below is the answer to anyones search to make sure that their sins are forgiven, follow Gods Holy Scriptural instructions below and then, immediately, Obey; *F💡💡d For Thought: *We Must First Make Sure That* *We Are Properly In The Correct* *Body of Christ* There is no Scripture In The Bible Where God Commands That We Simply State That We Except Jesus As Ones Lord And Savior And He Receives Anyone As His Child Without Following and Obeying "ALL" Commands From God To Be His Disciple. GODS SALVATION ●*HEAR:* *ROMANS 10:17 NKJV* 17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. ●*BELIEVE:* *JOHN 3:15-17 (NKJV)* 15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. *MARK 16:16 (NKJV)* 16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. ●*CONFESS:* *MATTHEW 10:32-33 (NKJV)* 32 “Therefore whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father who is in heaven. 33 But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven. *ROMANS 10:9 - 11 (NKJV)* 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” ●*REPENT* *ACTS 2:38 (NKJV)* 38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. *ACTS 17:30 (NKJV)* 30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, ●*MUST BE WATER BAPTIZED* (Body Fully placed in water and brought right back up, not sprinkling, Female can not baptize no one, only A Male Already Baptized Brother of The Church of Christ can Baptize Believers): *MARK 16:16 (NKJV)* 16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. *GALATIANS 3:27 (NKJV)* 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. *ROMANS 6:4 NKJV* 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. *JOHN 3:3-5 (NKJV)* 3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” 4 Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?” 5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. *ACTS 2:38 NKJV* Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. ●*LIVE A WORKING FAITHFUL* *LIFE UNTIL DEATH:* *REVELATION 2:10 (NKJV)* 10 Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life. ●*TEACH THE LOSS WHAT* *YOU HAVE LEARNED ABOUT* *SOUL SALVATION:* *MATTHEW 28:18 - 20 (NKJV)* 18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen. ☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆ *1.* KZbin Search, Find, Search (Google), Call, Email, Visit and Become A True Disciple of The True Body of Jesus Christ, THE CHURCH OF CHRIST NEAREST YOU IN YOUR AREA *2.* THE "CHURCH OF CHRIST" Nearest You, Google to find one near you, there is a "CHURCH OF CHRIST" in almost every city in every state, and in some countries outside of the united states *3.* Here (below) Is What "THE CHURCH OF CHRIST" Looks Like To Make Sure You Are At The Correct "CHURCH OF CHRIST": *4.* Worships Every First First Day of The Week Which is Sunday, God3 Authorizes First Day of The Week For Worship *5.* No Instruments, Congregational Singing Only - No Choir, God does not Authorize instruments during worship *6.* Takes The Lords Supper Every Sunday as God Has Commanded That We Do This In Remembrance of Him; *I Corinthians 11:26 NKJV* For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death till He comes. *7.* No Female Preaching, God3s Scriptures Do Not Authorize for A woman To preach *8.* Ask A Male, A Man, That Is A Leader of the Congregation, a Elder or a Deacon For A Bible Study and answer to the call of The Gospel of Jesus Christ Be Baptized and Be saved for the remission of your Sins, Living Out The Great Commission, Make sure to express to the Brother that will Baptize you that they must say what Scriptures say during Baptism, make sure they say, In The Name of The Father, The Son, The Holy Spirit and That Name Is Jesus Christ or Lord Jesus. V/R Copy/Paste/Screen shot this full Plan of Salvation To Have For Future Studies of Gods Holy Scriptures

[@chocobeachboy1]

There is a reason why now more than ever church members are becoming few and it’s because of a great awakening. It is important, especially for black people that we understand God is on the inside. We should know that we are not separate from God but that God is experiencing life through our physical vessels. God doesn’t just use us in moments of divine intervention, but God is using us everyday all day 24/7. God is consciousness, infinite intelligence, and all that is and ever will be and so is the spirit within the human soul. Eternal, without a beginning or an end. God is inside. Always has been and always will be.

[@KBonilla]

Theirs a lot of burden for folks who think they are giving up on God if they leave the church. When I realized that it was man made structural notion, I became free. Left the church and will never go back.

[@nickjones1314]

Much Better. And my life gotten even better when I went beyond the bible

[@Sunshinestarryrose]

My mental health and social life improved since leaving chuhhhhch

[@Topg1]

Great conversations.

[@gruivis]

They are anti religion and there's nothing wrong with that.

[@rhodacm97]

They aren‘t anti religion. They are just saying aspects which someone like you didn‘t want to hear or accept, period! If they feel or think like that it is their own opinion and no one should jugde them or say because of that they are anti religion! The fact is Christians like you feel after this statement offended because they do not realise that what they say it‘s true. I am a Christian and me myself I didn‘t go to church anymore because things happens their what is not okey for example: hate, hypocritical and other stuff! And for me I say to myself I cannot live this fake life and from this time my life is still going perfectly on without going to the church-> So because of that I am now anti religion, okey! And by the way even when I am not going to church I still praying, have my quittime and biblestudies at home!

[@gruivis]

@@rhodacm97 religion won't save anyone, only a relationship with Christ. You assumed I was offended but I'm not. From what I could tell each person was pursuing a relationship with Christ and that's why I said there's nothing wrong with rejecting religion or traditions or even customs associated with Christianity. With respect to the subject of the interview, we are commanded to fellowship with each other. But that could be done in casual settings like a home or even Starbucks 😊.

[@cochisecarter6298]

I don't understand how listening and not responding,or trying to come up with solutions,is helpful at all LOL Am I the only one who feels this way??

[@tracey1brave.]

These small episodes are excellent. I would like to discuss it with others in Clubhouse.

[@HeyTash]

I’d attend @txshasimmonds

[@SJBYTLive76]

bless all you family who have left the institutional system, may the Holy Spirit empower us to be the body in Yeshua's name🙏

[@isosoriharrison9556]

I am still in a church, but I’m also learning that not everyone you go to church with is going to be a Christian. Unfortunately, we live in a world where we can’t find God by going to church. You find God on your own and by your own relationship with the Lord and unfortunately, the Bible does warn you in Romans 16:17, if people get between you and your relationship relationship with God, it’s best not to be a part of that community. My only encouragement, is find a church that truly embodies the things that bring you to the truth as a Christian. Don’t neglect to meet with other Christians and don’t completely leave church altogether. Churches exist for a reason and we are commanded to go to church, but it doesn’t necessarily mean all churches are healthy. Also, not all parts of the church are healthy, and distinguished which people to associate yourself with and which people not to. I am learning this the hard way and it’s a long journey for me to associate myself with certain people I go to church with and not associate myself with some people I go to church with. Your personal walk with God is always gonna be the most important. It does not matter how terrible people treat you in church because the Bible does provide wisdom and what to do in those situations. However, we always treat everyone with love and care, including our enemies. This means giving the level of respect that all Christians are to give to every person. Not all people are going to be respectful toward you as a believer. And not all people are going to treat you with the level of respect that you should be receiving from them, but this doesn’t mean you disrespect them and seek vengeance on them. Just because a part of your church is toxic doesn’t mean the entire thing is bad. However, always have good leaders in your church and when your leadership is not toxic, but maybe the part of your church is, those are the people you’re gonna want to maybe not put as much time into. But it doesn’t necessarily mean that we disrespect those people in a way that dishonors the god that we believe in. Loving her enemies and loving the people that are hard loving our church challenges are ability to become better Christian. Just keep this in mind when you’re choosing not to go to church because maybe you’re just in the wrong church. There is a book that can show you what a healthy church looks like and when you feel like your leaders actually care. This is where you’re in a good church. Doesn’t necessarily mean every person you go to church with is always going to be good though. We need to keep this in mind and there are ways to respond to toxic people we go to church with.