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@LilyApus4 жыл бұрын
"Why are you trying to learn Swain?" "H-he's got a demon hand..." Most of the champions I play I picked for similar reasons...Probably shouldn't admit that.
@Jokuman3574 жыл бұрын
Lmao thats the real way to pick champs. I play Gangplank cause he is a pirate, and I play TF cause he has a nice hat.
@squeaky19634 жыл бұрын
@@Jokuman357 i mean kinda. I play shen because he has a badass spirit sword
@cadenhenderson43224 жыл бұрын
Aatrox's sword is fucking sick
@thefisherguy72694 жыл бұрын
I play hecarim because he looks like a horse...snd i play jarvan because his playstyle is just similiar to hecarim for me for some reason
@juliancespedes51544 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah i play aatrox cause he's badass as fuck and has a nice sword and my favourite champ is fiddlesticks cause he is a scarecrow
@xteminadorx0014 жыл бұрын
HASHINSHIN: *plays Swain to demonstrate how conqueror is broken with mages* Twitch Chat: "I'm gonna pretend I didn't see that"
@alucardnolifeking7894 жыл бұрын
yea exactly?
@amireffect60544 жыл бұрын
How was it broken? he went even in the laning phase and only got fed when his team was already winning.
@slash13519974 жыл бұрын
@@amireffect6054 1) he said he Is not good at Swain and went even against a mord 2) Swain isnt early game champ 3) havent you seen the healing?
@raialasio15744 жыл бұрын
@@slash1351997 i don't know what you're talking about, we should respect deaf and blind people opinions.
@amireffect60544 жыл бұрын
@@slash1351997 he got tons of ganks He got fed so of course he's gonna heal a lot Whenever hash plays a champ that he doesn't like and does well he says the champ is op, but when he plays a champ that he likes and does well he says it's skill and I think you already know how he acts when he loses.
@AvatarAang1004 жыл бұрын
I like the fact that he listen to Swain theme while playing,same with aatrox and ornn theme
@the_Haexler4 жыл бұрын
And orc mundo and lord of the rings orc music ;)
@danielhg94054 жыл бұрын
He really tries to get immersed
@bakasan94 жыл бұрын
0:46 "Do u own another jacket?" killed me, thought i love hashinshin
@ch1dd4 жыл бұрын
Anime characters have to use the same outfit through each arc
@lynnmorgan58974 жыл бұрын
Last time i was this early spherestalker had the monopoly of hashinshin's highlights
@David-dk1lw4 жыл бұрын
Lorallynn Sunborn league of hashinshin is like the place you come after you done watching Sphere’s vids for 10 times
@Charuuzuu4 жыл бұрын
Its now an oligopoly!
@ZagrajmerPospolity4 жыл бұрын
@@David-dk1lw Remember persocom? Wasnt he like first
@madlad78374 жыл бұрын
@@ZagrajmerPospolity ya
@JuanAntonioGarciaHeredia4 жыл бұрын
@@freddiesmith2633 because you must study economics in order to understand what a monopoly is.
@magnifyingcig81544 жыл бұрын
No one: Literally no one: Hashinshin: BUT HASHINSHIN
@iamaloafofbread89264 жыл бұрын
WHAT ABOUT THE OIL AHHHHHHHH THE OIL!!!
@LilyApus4 жыл бұрын
This meme is so painfully stale.
@angelem59604 жыл бұрын
You don't know how to use that meme, and you are not funny.
@nixnix224 жыл бұрын
DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND
@vapehut23264 жыл бұрын
unfunny format
@ediblepizza15424 жыл бұрын
Watching Hashinshin is actually entertaining seeing that he often argue and talk with chat instead of going with everything they say is actually enjoyable
@koalaxx41304 жыл бұрын
The Moment when hashinshin talks like Eric cartman when he immitates Twitch Chat 😂
@jiraiyanokonoha4 жыл бұрын
you know hash lost it when he starts talking with the items
@TheArrivalCyberse4 жыл бұрын
Hash the item whisperer.
@ChaosZero.4 жыл бұрын
Nobody: Hashinshin: Ok, hear me out Twitch chat Memes aside, Hashinshin looks like one of those stand up comedians that go on talk shows as guests. The host (Twitch chat) will ask a random question, the stand up comedian (Hashinshin) will then proceed to do a 10 minutes long rant and the host can't make him stop until he's done and the interview segment is over.
@acoolnameemm4 жыл бұрын
im gonna copy someone else's comment here: HASHINSHIN: *plays Swain to demonstrate how conqueror is broken with mages * Twitch Chat: "I'm gonna pretend I didn't see that"
@azuri68424 жыл бұрын
well, its pretty much the same except for the part where the host will get perma banned if they ever go off script...
@staz67344 жыл бұрын
@@azuri6842 Bill Burr of LOL
@vapehut23264 жыл бұрын
unfunny format
@sr.3654 жыл бұрын
Cause you get what you FUCKING DESERVE
@Sappysappster4 жыл бұрын
Galaxy brain plays from Riot! "We heard your complaints about mages, and how underpowered bruisers feel.... So here we changed conqueror so that it's *useable by mages* and now bruisers auto lose to bramble vest rush :]!"
@ViniciusSilva-qv9qy4 жыл бұрын
Plot twist: Twitch chat is a voice in Hashinshin's head
@mulhambajaber92744 жыл бұрын
AFF Tanto faz lol
@unforsaken48044 жыл бұрын
Is His stand
@meatwad71334 жыл бұрын
A close friend of mine hates playing mages.. But he loves playing swain for one reason, for every kill he gets especially with Q he’ll type in all chat “UNLIMITED POWA!”
@robertlupa82734 жыл бұрын
He's a man of culture.
@ivarjriibabyrbfh4 жыл бұрын
Anybody questioning hashinshin. Hashinshin: memememememe MEEE MEE MEEEEEE MEMEMEMEMEMEME
@DevolaPopola4 жыл бұрын
Ivar Bergstedt that’s why we love him tho, his little rants are really entertaining
@ch1dd4 жыл бұрын
more like "anyone questioning hashinshin while being borderline disabled"
@ssrd.4 жыл бұрын
Bless you for not going by "no one:" shit
@Andrew0Holzer4 жыл бұрын
If you have even the slightest question about what he's asking the mods will perma you in twitch chat lol.
@GeninGeo4 жыл бұрын
@@ch1dd hash does that to you no matter what then comes in another video saying something some one else said. Calls tanks broken then says no one plays tanks because they get beat by everything.
@SyndraEnjoyer4 жыл бұрын
“There are so many better mags tops why are you trying to learn Swain” Hashinshin: ...he’s got a demon hand It’s an answer like that, that makes me love hashinshin
@fsrer26384 жыл бұрын
Wow notifications actually worked...that is new
@iamaloafofbread89264 жыл бұрын
Idk how to feel knowing this just happend :l
@vitalikpu4 жыл бұрын
Hash has replaced ASMR for me, every vid is a blessing for me now
@caleblyman95284 жыл бұрын
Hash: genuinely likes and enjoys a champions thematic and design Twitch chat: but hashinshin!
@firstname26384 жыл бұрын
Person: words Other person: response really good meme dude, made me LOL
@TK--ce6hp4 жыл бұрын
DEMON HAND! *quietly* zap!
@Jeraldow4 жыл бұрын
Wait until he sees conqueror Ryze
@pesky21194 жыл бұрын
500 damage 2 sec eq "combo" now deals 600 damage and heals him for 90 health everytime, haha yes very good riot
@OatsMealz4 жыл бұрын
Glad to see Hash playing characters based on what matters, being a mage and looking cool
@ernestofernandez14594 жыл бұрын
AD to AP ratios has allways been since the begining 1 to 2, now in the old times there where more items that would grant you 120 AP, also mages used to do a lot more of damage. A lategame feed veigar could oneshoot a Mundo back in the day. AP characters has allways get to stak fro 600 to 800~ AP with few exeptions, while AD characters has allways get to stak 300 to 400~ AD. Now you just imagine how things would go with a 800 hundred AD Zed
@alexlun44644 жыл бұрын
4:15 Swain be like "I'm not trapped in here with you, YOURE TRAPPED IN HERE WITH ME"
@rofflezwafflez10234 жыл бұрын
Swain was already and still is kind of really fucking good with grasp top and scales well in every phase of the game. He just wasn't busted in a no brain way like Vlad or Kennen. He has no escape and you have to hit skill shot combos he is basically Mage Darius so no real surprise Hash is playing him and why he wasn't particularly popular even while good.
@7심플한게최고야4 жыл бұрын
4:35 turn on serebro mimimi music
@ElNightmareYT4 жыл бұрын
Everybody gangsta until hanshinshin plays a mage top.
@Leftside084 жыл бұрын
I just like watching a 30yr old man have a mental breakdown over a scrolling wall of text as he screams into the void about balance
@piotrj3334 жыл бұрын
Riot in S8- let's make sure adcs can't use conqueror (2sec duration). Riot in S9 - let's make conqueror viable on mages and of course remove ranged restriction - mages have to be OP in every single meta afterall!
@vtk.pyr04 жыл бұрын
S8? Are you dumb?
@vtk.pyr04 жыл бұрын
You think that we're in S9? Lmao
@acoolnameemm4 жыл бұрын
@@vtk.pyr0 to be fair the patch notes still says "9.xx" for the patch number, preseason for season 10 is still in season 9, otherwise Riot would have released the patch notes and titled it "patch 10.xx"
@pesky21194 жыл бұрын
@@vtk.pyr0 We are in s9, it ain't patch 10.0 you clown
@seikuo364 жыл бұрын
@@pesky2119 Stop guys he's already dead XD
@bullerninja76564 жыл бұрын
I could listen to hashinshin all day :3
@Daniel-Munoz4 жыл бұрын
Man i miss the Hashinshin and LL Justice duo.
@soulsemblance31634 жыл бұрын
Here is what I think they should do with conqueror. make the duration 4 seconds and make it so that Spells from ranged Champions only generate one stack Edit: I made this comment before watching the video and hashinshin agrees.
@608midshipcool4 жыл бұрын
Soul Semblance you mean how it used to be?
@soulsemblance31634 жыл бұрын
@@608midshipcool what do you mean
@608midshipcool4 жыл бұрын
Conquerer used to stack normally on ranged, but would only last 2 seconds on ranged rather than 8 for melee.
@apraham04 жыл бұрын
@@608midshipcool no it was 5 stacks before
@qwerpholeentertainment45414 жыл бұрын
Finally swain has a rune that actually works for him and does damage later in the game. I'm kinda happy for the conqueror changes cuz now I can actually solo lane as swain.
@riftdelash39374 жыл бұрын
You know something is good when hashinshin play a mage champion
@haaziq13334 жыл бұрын
Im not so good in English but when I watch Hashinshin its like im hearing an old man babling in my language😂😂
@JJ-mr5lj4 жыл бұрын
"god damn it twitch chat"
@buda-uw3ty4 жыл бұрын
I've been watching your videos for a couple of days and honestly cant find a single thing you said wrong... completely agree with you! You should be the chief of Riot balance team, then maybe the game would start to feel fair and actually fun to play, making ALL and not just 20-30 champs viable
@nipstir68974 жыл бұрын
that last bit there XD @10:32
@ThuggyPenguin4 жыл бұрын
no one: hashinshin: nyanyanyanyanynya
@phkabir82114 жыл бұрын
"Why are you trying to learn Swain?" "H-he's got a demon hand..." well i played for his intro in the game. and yes it works. and trust me if i can pull it off then its op as fk
@flamie-10234 жыл бұрын
I actually want to see more gameplays of hashinshin playing swain now....
@typn64724 жыл бұрын
7:29 that fucking timing on the music
@paulstjean66874 жыл бұрын
4:20 holy fk that healing CONQ babbyyyy
@omarmohammad2204 жыл бұрын
Didn't think I will see the day where hashinshin plays a mage
@omarmohammad2204 жыл бұрын
@Marvin Zimmerman Do you even know it's meaning?
@omarmohammad2204 жыл бұрын
@Marvin Zimmerman No you don't, you are just ignorant
@noealejandrocedilloalonso94084 жыл бұрын
6:27 Hashinshin: Stop! Hashinshin 2017: i'm unstoppable by the way
@giorgoslor_53994 жыл бұрын
Next video: Hashinshin plays Cassiopeia with Conqueror
@carlchoa13754 жыл бұрын
Its like watching rick sanchez playing and ranting about league of legends
@yoursinisterdoge27854 жыл бұрын
I love this dude's rants.
@sir_christopher_owls4 жыл бұрын
7:30 holy shit he destroyed the pantheon who had an item more but a level less
@ptbro33344 жыл бұрын
I enjoy how hashinshin argues with twitch viewers instead of ignoring them.
@aegisofficial38194 жыл бұрын
I just noticed that damir was in that last champ select, and they banned his kha zix I GOTTA know if he inted
@Iznikroc4 жыл бұрын
As a Swain Main Hash is right Ludens feels so much better on Swain than RoA also Riot has lowkey nerfed the champion into being a support so playing him top feels like a chore at times.
@Obsidianen4 жыл бұрын
RoA on Swain is only really good on Swain if you hard dominate your opponent botlane or top. If you can get Catalyst under min 14 then go for it, if not go something else rather. Rylais or Morello are good alternatives in my opinion.
@GDawgTheButcher4 жыл бұрын
Omg I nearly pissed my self laughing at 2:22 - 2:30 🤣🤣
@duckirl54894 жыл бұрын
daily dose of hashinshin
@mikeclayton51824 жыл бұрын
Imagine riot thinking new conq wouldn't be broken on mages... just wait until most of them figure out that gunblade makes them unkillable stacked with conq
@autumneagle4 жыл бұрын
Like Akali with Conq and Gunblade? Eewww
@xcalibur64824 жыл бұрын
I see my ancestor is doing well...
@Th3W1zz4RD4 жыл бұрын
Twitch chat: why are you learning worthless mage top swain Hash: he had a demon hand. This is why I watch u bb
@BlurryShadows4 жыл бұрын
Hashinshin impersonating twitch chat completes my life
@victoralejandrotrimmerestr36724 жыл бұрын
ap benefits abilities, ad benefits abilities AND basic attacks, so yes, its ok that you get more ap than ad, if you use basic attacks on mages you kinda lose damage, also you stack it and kill them befoge they even get the full stacks dont say it is rigged
@apolex80654 жыл бұрын
Imagine a world where mages would not one shot a FUCKING TANK
@birkforsberg89024 жыл бұрын
Does he not understand that ad champs get higher value per attack damage unit than ap champs get from ability power units since attack damage also increases the damage from basic attacks? How is that not relevant to the amount of ad compared to the amount of ap on items and runes? I really don't understand his reasoning here...
@oqserenity16424 жыл бұрын
Its hard to reason with hashinshin.
@1236remis4 жыл бұрын
Its understandable and i think he understand that but there is allot of variables comes into play. Auto attack range to apply said damage or dashes to negatve the aa range ad ratios allot of changes on top of changes its just allot of changes tends to favor more mage champions . And the best thing to understand that is not to argument but to experience it yourself. And atleast from my experience plat 1+ i will not play for atleast 2 months until atleast something is hotfixed or plainly nerfed cause it feels wrong playing right now
@ultimatesonic474 жыл бұрын
bruisers cant autoatack mages enough to make it count its diferent in adc
@techodehormigon4 жыл бұрын
i think because the difference is too high, while you get 70ap from a rune that can be stacked easier (every ranged mage) you get 30ad from a mele bruiser. and also, while mages don´t deal much damage with autoatacks, they can poke you down early game, while having conqueror all time, so they win the laning phase and scale better.
@birkforsberg89024 жыл бұрын
@@1236remis It's alot easier to dodge spells than auto attacks, do I don't really understand your argument here. From my perspective, the reason for mages being so strong is mainly the low price of protobelt and the strength in zhonyas active.
@stedated4 жыл бұрын
4:28 that's why I love hashinshinn hahahahaha
@hak_HengLy4 жыл бұрын
6:35 YES!!! AAHHH!!! FEEL SO MUCH BETTER NOW!!! KNOWING THAT AM NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO THINK THAT!!! AAHH!!!
@awildmalik90004 жыл бұрын
hash doesnt play to win. he plays to dominate.
@SpeedBattleFury4 жыл бұрын
That dude that wrote a really long chat line only to be browsed up LOL dude's name was apex1397
@Am4t3r4su4 жыл бұрын
Their was an entire match where he actually listened to twitch chat about using Rod of Ages and the match went very well. He actually accused the enemy team of losing on purpose to make him look bad lol Legit, he then said next match "Swains mana kind of sucks" Well... build Rod of Ages early and mana isn't a problem the rest of the game Hash. Kind of the point.
@ishy8584 жыл бұрын
tbh I don't see why adaptive force favours AP AP ratios seem to be higher and AP items are more accessible to mages than AD to bruisers (tri, cleaver steraks and like thats it)
@keenanvazquez95024 жыл бұрын
AD ratios actually tend to be higher (usually somewhere between .9-2.0 bonus AD ratio). They put lower AD than AP cause AD champs also get auto attack scaling, not just abilities. That being said, armor is also significantly stronger than MR so the balance is bad
@heophan80724 жыл бұрын
also Death cap, don't forget that piece of shit
@uxie61774 жыл бұрын
@@heophan8072 I remember it used to give 25/30% bonus AP, and when I came back to LoL after an extended break and found it was giving FORTY I was like ???????????
@jms418p24 жыл бұрын
Didn’t know you could actually do that 6:55 looks like swains the counter to blast plant :P
@sageparadox73174 жыл бұрын
Ok, but no meme: Conqueror is designed for people who want to raidboss with extended fights, yes? That doesn't just include bruisers. While I am in no way arguing conqueror is balanced, I would like to argue against "make it useless on ranged champs". Because there are certain ranged champs who I find would like to be able to use that rune. Inb4 someone says "bUt sAgE i'M a BruISer pLAyeR aNd i ThinK thaT [either everyone should be able to use every rune outside of things like aftershock that literally require something in your kit that you might not have OR every class should ONLY have certain runes available to it, and NO runes should be cross-class]". The answer to both of those is - no, fuck off. Thanks for listening to my TED talk.
@BimBachelord4 жыл бұрын
His logic is flawed real bad. The reason adaptive dmg isn't equal AP or AD is because AD has far higher scaling. 4 autos alone is 400% damage conversion minimum. We'll ignore the AD spells. If it's a full crit with IE build then that can be 900% dmg conversion. The 4 autos are typically dished out in 3-4 seconds? There are NO AP champions capable of dishing that kind of ratio in 4 seconds. Not even the 400% dmg conversion is common for AP based kits in such a short duration. And we didn't even consider the AD champions spells, just 4 autos. AD dmg efficiency is faaar higher than AP dmg efficiency since AD is 100% dmg ratio on regular autos. Kayle's autos are like 25% AP ratio (doubled to 50% technically in her Max stacks ascended form, no even close in dmg conversion efficiency per point) But to be fair, I enjoy watching Hash BECAUSE of his silly rants/arguments.
@colossaldonut51904 жыл бұрын
I'm gonna send Hashinshin a wizard's hat, saying "welcome to the club"
@williamlindroos22504 жыл бұрын
That Rune is rly good on ryze Had 6000 healing in 1 game,
@lucasalarcon32304 жыл бұрын
Phase rysh is better on ryze the rune is good for cassio, swain and maybe azir
@thefisherguy72694 жыл бұрын
@@lucasalarcon3230 Azir you say ?! GUESS THOSE 6300 BLUE ESSENCE I PAID WHEN I STARTED LEAGUE ARE GONNA FINALLY BE USEFUL
@SashaSlvt4 жыл бұрын
Grey Fish you better learn to shuffle with the bird
@thefisherguy72694 жыл бұрын
@@SashaSlvt no seriously...i love Azir playstyle so much...he is the only reason why i even play normals ( other than first timing champions )
@duytran90864 жыл бұрын
Combine it with Ravenous Hunter, boom Bruiser Ryze that also one shot your back line with E-Q, gj Riot Video Games.
@user-ii6gm4vj5b4 жыл бұрын
With Luden's, if the game goes up to 30th minute, you would feel a big loss in tankiness. A loss that cannot be repaired. And in a teamfight, even with Conqueror, when an assassin jumps on Swain and bursts him out, it's a gg. Simply because you fucking lack the 500 HP RoA gives. #TeamRoAForever
@LargeBanana4 жыл бұрын
sometimes he made good points, sometime he is the most delusional human being on the planet. i got banned from his chat in my very first day visiting his chat. i got banned for saying "?" once... just once.
@nimatic52514 жыл бұрын
Yeah that's against the rules
@keyman31314 жыл бұрын
@@nimatic5251 seriously? Or jokingly?
@coda724 жыл бұрын
?
@1lik3Fir33mbl3m4 жыл бұрын
you get banned for normal things too by his mods.
@whatyalokingat17354 жыл бұрын
@@keyman3131 yes and like do you guy know how to read ? Isn't it the 1st thing pop up in your screen when enter the stream is the stream rule ? Like dude ? And is a bot ban so ofc it only gona be 1 time
@redsheep47854 жыл бұрын
I’ve had the pleasure of facing Cassio too with conq. Felt really balanced
@Austin-tc8qe4 жыл бұрын
Love your channel ❤❤❤
@arandombirdyt20694 жыл бұрын
Swain is slowly becoming Hashinshin
@AstrumVerith4 жыл бұрын
A new Hashinshin video a new item/champion/ meta or rune to complain about.
@carlospitteri31464 жыл бұрын
Wow guys this bandaid fix we gave to bruisers is kinda cool, let's fuck them and give it to mages now !! -rito gomes
@ucchi98294 жыл бұрын
5:01 if only he didn't go conq ooof
@azalakhir9184 жыл бұрын
Wow it really looks like hash was having fun
@einjharrelraca4 жыл бұрын
60 ad is worth more than 100 ap...... ad works on auto attacks 100% and most abilities of champs that build ad. not to mention ad scalings tend to be way higher. and you get ad per level. no champion gets ap per level.
@yenvo46874 жыл бұрын
Tried swain top with conq Get fking destroyed by darius with spell book. 9/10 would recommended again.
@deividymario24084 жыл бұрын
What is the music used? Really very good.
@seandrethegiant22244 жыл бұрын
HASHINSHIN IS THE SENATE
@whatisname29364 жыл бұрын
Honestly though, conq on mages are wayy top fucking good, twitch chat talks about 'yOu CaN mIsS sKiLl ShOtS' and they completely forget that cass ryze swain kassadin kat akali can easily stack conq idk man
@rafasmart96134 жыл бұрын
You have slain an enemy More like you gave swain an enemy
@Strelarck4 жыл бұрын
300 ad adc kills you as fast as a 600ap mage, maybe faster, because being a mage you can miss skillshots, but you can't miss autoattacks (unless you're Kalista)
@minhlaco28214 жыл бұрын
1.2 adaptive force for 1 AD 1 adaptive force for 1 AP
@oisinkeating65674 жыл бұрын
Its unfortunate you didnt show any of the clips from the games where he went 7-80 across 6 games but i guess that disproves his narrative.
I mean Swain with Grasp is the Goat but even then conq favoring mages is a crock of shit like AP needs a rebalanced so that MR works way more
@ianonrust57664 жыл бұрын
When Hashinshin mocks and makes fun of chat and their whining he doesn't realize he is mocking himself
@jacksonmills9614 жыл бұрын
??
@IYPITWL4 жыл бұрын
Swain is fun. If he misses spells he goes oom. Very strong as support. Will make you hate Vayne
@cheekybreeky37754 жыл бұрын
Welcome to league of conqueror
@dontbesaltyxd66164 жыл бұрын
Hash you are wrong at 9:35 abilitys give 2 stacks. Just basics give 1
@PlayLikeLegends4 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure adaptive force takes base AD into account. Sure u get less AD than AP but about half the champs in the game start with 60+ AD and that scales throughout the game, where as u start with 0 AP and cant get any unless u buy it or have it in runes. It's not actually 30 AD vs 50AP level 18 it's 150 AD (on average) vs 50 AP lmao. But ya ranged champs shouldn't be allowed to abuse it as much as they are.
@krystianswiercz32034 жыл бұрын
What Hash forgets too is that you get to use your ad with all the items effect every aa, which has much lower cooldown that depends purely on attack speed. With ap, most of champions need to wait for their cooldowns and once those are down, they do not get do deal damage for a moment. It's certainly not the case for every champion, Lol is work in progress constantly, but that's the general idea. That's why 30ad might actually equal 50ap. But that doesn't change the fact that conqueror is broken as shit.
@yearningpeins23984 жыл бұрын
Honestly the only thing I agree on with Hash is the cool demon hand.
@hugoricardo19674 жыл бұрын
Is so funny see someone else doing ludens on Swain . Really every time i make RoA even Feed it feels like my damage is gone ! I dont mind be less tank until second item if i can deal damage too . Ludens CDR is very good too.