HasLab Rancor Failed!

[@bobahicks]

I collect Black Series and have a particular love for Jabba the Hutt and the various creatures and characters that live in his palace. If the Rancor was available at retail for a more reasonable price, I would have been all for it. I hope HASLAB learns from this.

[@mace2741]

If the Rancor was available for a reasonable price as a preorder. What does it matter if it's at "retail" or is a preorder?

[@DougPalumbo]

I’m not even into this whole Haslab thing but I’m interested in the discussion as it reflects on the toy industry as a whole. Looking forward to this Tony!

[@mechamanblade8465]

This project was doomed the moment they announced the tiers. I feel sorry for those that wanted it, but also proud of those that refused. However, I have a feeling that this isn't the last we will see of the Rancor.

[@djaxisravenguard]

Convention exclusive prolly. With even less for even more money.

[@palpatine1975]

Do u think HASBRO will try again with the Rancor?

[@mechamanblade8465]

@@palpatine1975 If Hasbro got anything out of all this, they know that the demand is there. Now, how will they decide to "repackage" this? 🤔

[@palpatine1975]

@@mechamanblade8465 but to Hasbro' eyes it failed because lack of demand for it. That's how they will see it rite?

[@mechamanblade8465]

@@palpatine1975 I can only speculate on what's going on at Hasbro. Let's see how the Skystriker does today. Perhaps that might put a more comparable perspective on this.

[@JosephDickersonUX]

When Mattel can sell a MASSIVE three-foot+ long Jurassic World T-rex for less than $180 AND it has a sound chip, you KNOW that Hasbro can make this less than $200. AND sell it at retail (if they actually bothered trying to talk to retail about it). Hasbro is risk averse and putting something in retail means that they may have to eat unsold merchandise. They have no confidence in the Star Wars IP at retail if it isn't Baby Yoda.

[@rotaxhippie]

I picked up several of these large dinos for $34 each. I'd have little fear of a child breaking it. But the rancor would probably have to be off limits to the kid or at least supervised. And that's just sad. Sad that the rancor being 10x the price and irreplaceable unless spending 20x the price would disappoint the kid.

[@skunkworksstudios]

That’s a great point!

[@JosephDickersonUX]

@@rotaxhippie Yeah Mattel sells a smaller TRex for only $55. And even then it's almost two feet long.

[@Warrior8bit]

That is a good point, the Colossal T-Rex is a good comparison. Yes, it’s going to be a bit higher cos it’s a limited release and a crowd funder. But still, not that much more.

[@JONNYSORENSEN_AU]

Once they sell enough units at retail the minority that go on clearance 6-12 months later are nothing. Its motivated by pure greed.

[@Gojitron1]

The Rancor's failure is a symptom of Hasbro's entire approach to the Star Wars license in recent years. Vintage Collection, Retro Collection, Black Series, Galaxy of Adventures, Mission Fleet...they're producing too many unrelated lines in too many different scales and they're all being half-assed. Kenner wrote the book in the 70's and 80's, and Hasbro did a nice job with the 90's revival. Hasbro knows what fans want because they have decades of success to refer to, plus there is more than enough feedback on the internet. They need to get their collective heads out of their asses and start delivering products people want to buy. If you can't get money from STAR WARS fans you have failed miserably and completely. Not only did they launch 3 Haslab's right before Christmas, they also didn't take into account their competition. Super 7 is not going to stop soliciting expensive toys any time soon, never mind NECA, Mezco, etc. Hasbro needs to stop resting on their laurels and understand that there is a LOT of competition for the dollar of the adult collectors these days. If they want to present high end products, they need to bring their "A" game right out of the gate.

[@fillerbunnyninjashark271]

@@omegashenron8 sentinel also comes with chipping paint and weak knees out of the package and we have no idea the train wreck that will be Galactus

[@donburnside9411]

@@fillerbunnyninjashark271 Not to mention all the problems Unicron had. It's becoming a trend at this point.

[@rektangular]

You took the words out of my mouth Tony. Fan poll is such an easy thing for them to do and it would almost guarantee what fans want.

[@lacanidjion]

I remember when companies made products that people wanted to gain profit, instead of deciding what they were going to be willing to make, then guilt the potential consumers into paying for a product like they were in union negotiations. "This is it our final offer or nothing" No thanks Hasbro

[@redroversk]

like the big millennium falcon, they say "we could never release THAT again at retail", how pathetic, they released it like three times, they've got the tooling, then rest on "taketh away" instead of reaching new greatness

[@nicholasdickens2801]

@@redroversk The re-released it once. They did release it last year at retail simply because they were destined for Disney theme parks and because of the lockdowns Disney gave Hasbro that stock including the Falcon to sell at Target (if I remember correctly).

[@wakuseimoe]

I've never really felt the need to back any of Haslab projects, but if I was I would be much more interested in projects I had some choices with. You have wonderful ideas about how they should be choosing their campaigns, Tony.

[@stephenlozano2816]

I always thought a multi billion dollar toy company crowdfunding was ridiculous in the first place.

[@bentonrp]

Yeah, it's really sickening that they are boldly just luring in addicts like this! And aside from the occassional whiney fat weirdo creeping the toy isle, adult collectors have been a very chill community! We never harrassed other groups, we never pulled big heists or con jobs, we never overstepped our boundaries in the stores or conventions, we never bothered any of the other communities... So why can't we have mass produced collections and series out in the toy isle every time like it always was since it makes companies so much money?

[@carlswicegood4519]

Tony, I can't tell you how much I love your videos, and yes I think you deserve at least some credit for shedding a light on these problems in the industry. Because of people like you it's made us collectors realize that we DO need to speak with our wallets.

[@doomedhuh]

Hasbro shouldn't be crowdfunding.

[@djconvoy]

I had no horse in the Rancor "race," but I can't feel too bad about this. Frankly, I hope the Skystriker crashes and burns, next. Charging over four times what they did for a Skystriker less than ten years ago (even with the extra figures) is simply egregious.

[@bigdaddy2343]

The original Skystriker sold in todays money would be about $94.

[@snellsworld2648]

@@bigdaddy2343 Plus they are charging $39.99 for the. o ring Snake Eyes and Storm Shadow. So basically that's $19.99 a figure and it comes with five figures.

[@bigdaddy2343]

@@snellsworld2648 weird how Joes went from $1.99 to $3.99 from 82-94. O ring figures should be 12.99

[@nicholasdickens2801]

The Sky-striker has been funded.

[@williammckinley1035]

Hasbro's biggest mistake is having 3 expensive toys being funded at the same time....and right before Xmas. If they held off on at least one of them all of them would've been funded.

[@thegeorgiealityshow359]

Nice show as always Tony,and those people that misunderstood you I am Spartacus.Instead I yell out loud I am Analog Toys.Where I'm at they don't sell any of those toys anymore.Happy holidays collectors be safe and blessed take care.

[@shockwave7513]

Hell, Hasbro's own Studio Series line of Transformers all come with accessories AND a cardboard backdrop, at regular retail prices! Maybe their Star Wars group need to talk to their Transformers group about how to market figures.

[@wfthrock]

Tony, EVERY idea/comment that you make in this video are 100% spot-on correct 👍. I hope HASBRO sees this video! I applaud you, my friend. - William

[@nedflanders8968]

I got the “This Is Your Last Chance” email yesterday about the Rancor at about this time and now today I got the same one for the Skystriker. Funny how the Skystriker email says “We’re So Close!!!” but the Rancor one says, “The Rancor Needs You!”. You can tell they were getting desperate on the Rancor. The Skystriker is definitely getting funded, probably about 10 hours before the deadline.

[@the_collector_of_different_toy]

Hasbro will 100% learn the wrong lessons from the failure of the black series rancor because it wasn’t the rancor it’s self that caused it to fail it was the price being too high the, unlocks being absolutely disappointing and The fact that they decided let’s run three haslab campaigns all high priced at the exact same time and maybe go back to the drawing boards and release it sometime next year for about like 250 with better search goals but instead what they’re gonna learn is OK nobody wants a black series rancor so we’re never gonna do that again. In the end i’m just angry hasbro cost me a 6 inch rancor I figure I’ve wanted for years because of their own stupidity and pennypinching

[@palpatine1975]

I feel you.. Exactly my thoughts. Because of their stupidity thy will blame us collectors for not wanting the rancor which is not true. I've been wanting a black series rancor for years.. I actually backed 4! And yet I wil never get one.

[@Boojkill]

I'm somewhat surprised Haslab let the date lapse and not give an extension like they did with Unicron.

[@fo5077]

It’s my theory that they gave Unicron an extension because they didn’t want their first haslab project to fail.

[@angelocanale8102]

“I’m Spartacus and so is my wife”

[@propain4prez]

Yessir!!!!!!! Thank you brother!!!! I held back this time....and I was so scared to be the only one to miss out...omg thank you for bringing it to the light...you are the man! You had me feeling emotional lol...for real tho, this is a hobby that I have a passion for and it's awesome to see us stand together for the cause

[@matthewmahler9212]

Removing the fact that one the largest toy companies on the planet is crowd sourcing thier molds, wouldn't it make more sense for them to have lower prices for the initial item and than purchase the unlocks individually

[@jessegpresley]

There's a KZbin channel called Mighty Jabba's Collection. He's a Jabba related focus collector, and has a massive collection, including those rare Rancor statues released over the decades. He said he felt the Rancor was a $250 toy.

[@rndmmoments3573]

The haslab model is an insult to toy collectors. Hasbro has been Jedi mind tricking the F out of toy collectors. Don’t fall for it, vote with you walle!!! This is a sign that the bubble is close to busting.

[@AnalogToys]

I hope so

[@newcastle6666]

@@AnalogToys the Skystriker Haslab makes no sense to me. Like you said, we can get a vintage complete one for less. I paid around $175 for a complete vintage Skystriker a few years ago. I will never crowd fund a project for a multi billion dollar company

[@troubledturtle2332]

@@newcastle6666 Lets say you didnt have a Skystriker and it was a pre-order and it wasnt this nonsensical crowd funded approach and it cost the same or less as a vintage one ,would you buy it ?

[@newcastle6666]

@@troubledturtle2332 no I would not buy it. It should be sold retail not crowd funded. Hasbro is a multi billion dollar company. I prefer vintage anyway. Haslab takes over a year to produce their projects as well. Not for me. Now if it was a Classified 6” inch scale Skystriker then maybe I would consider it but I would never crowd fund it. If it was retail then maybe.

[@troubledturtle2332]

@@newcastle6666 I initially thought the Skystriker was for the 6inch Joes ,that just goes to show how much I follow Haslab announcements .But when I learned it was for the 3.75 range I asked myself "why" your not even doing a retro 3.75 inch Joe line which would have my interest if they did as I am 3.75 collector.

[@josephcolton2614]

I don't support Haslab for the only reason that a company the size and weight of Hasbro should not resort to crowdfunding a product. Also, Hasbro is probably only listening to the fanboys and those influencers/channels who suck up to the company and the product managers in order to stay on their good side and get preferrential treatment. Therefore, Hasbro exists in a bubble and doesn't hear constructive criticism.

[@nedflanders8968]

The fools at Hasbro probably won’t learn from this. They’ll just blame it on Christmas and people being short on funds, not something they did wrong. “This would have funded if Jesus didn’t have to have a birthday. No company can sell toys this time of year.” Even though it was their (bad) decision to do it this time of year on top of 2 other Haslab projects. I really have 0 sympathy for Hasbro. And I cannot wait for Scott “Creative Speculation” Neitlich to tell us what the fans did wrong here.

[@23Gaunt]

Hasbro already did this years ago with their Toys R US/ SDCC Exclusive in 2015. It came with a rancor, guard, Luke, Jabba, C3po, and Leia figures. I get that it would be more expensive due to scaling up to 6' inch scale but the SDCC figure set only cost around $129.99 at retail. They sold their haslab six years ago for three times less the price they where charging customers for this one and gave people more at that price point than $350. No wonder it failed.

[@FrankMillersEvilHat1]

I just realized the thumbnail is the Rancor throwing a basketball. Now I wonder if in the Star Wars universe if there is a basketball league made out of large monstrous aliens. It is a question that needs answered!

[@foamformers]

Let’s hope Valaverse starts a Force Wars line

[@largolore]

Truth prevails over FOMO. Good job, Tony. We are Spartacus!

[@Qui-GonJohn]

Well said Tony. The Razor Crest was expensive but had an immediate wow factor even without the unlocks. The Rancor was way too expensive for a figure that didn't have the wow factor and the unlocks were afwful and couldn't save it.

[@MattsCollection]

"As my dear friend l=Laser Pants..." God I love the internet! 😁

[@yodaskywalker2331]

Great video !!! Agree with it all. Although I don’t have the room I’m sorry I missed the sail barge

[@frankoz7327]

You nailed it 100%, I would of bought in to this project if they would of had the last day after the new year, or would of charged me at point of shipment, not charging 350 bucks just before Christmas.

[@BobHansenJokes]

That settles it. I've decided I'm not going to back the Rancor.

[@Libertycustom73]

They need to ask collectors what they want. They don't. They need to ask what we will fund. They won't. It's mind blowing how absurd how simple a thing this is that they refuse to do.

[@fillerbunnyninjashark271]

They NEED to stop crowd funding. THEY'RE a billion dollar corporation. THEY can afford to put these on the shelves and offer a pre-order online... WE should not be fronting anything for an establish billion dollar toy company

[@Libertycustom73]

@@fillerbunnyninjashark271 you don't get it. The days of playsets and vehicles are gone, especially in 1/12 scale. Stores won't allow the space. If they let the customer decide what they sell of these, that'll succeed. Get over your reasons. This is the new way and its going to happen regardless of how you feel. However they need to do it right.

[@fillerbunnyninjashark271]

@@Libertycustom73 that's why the 400 dollar millennium falcon wasn't on shelves at Target 😏 ... Nice opinion you have there

[@judgejase7583]

Classic .... well spoken Tony ! I'm Spartacus !

[@miketwain202]

I wouldn’t pay $100 for that thing and I’m a completist. What shocked me was how many people were streaming last night for the “Rancor Countdown.” How can people support such an abuse of fandom I will never know. I won’t call them shills though those people do exist. They’re just fans that Hasbro has taken advantage of. The impulse to pledge for something special is a psychological thing Haslab has figured out I think. They will have to do a lot to get me on board with the Haslab business model. I’m awaiting a great GI Joe vehicle for the Classified line, but it better go above and beyond . An o ring Skystriker for over $200 is not going to do it. I will reclaim my childhood, priceless, Skystriker for $30 to $50 and be over the moon. I feel bad for the fans but I feel nothing but contempt for Haslab. Hasbro keeps missing the mark again and again. Were the toy gurus of the past superheroes or something? No, probably not. Its most definitely the modern corporate ways that maintain the cluelessness we see. Hasbro, get your tish together!

[@randomposter5665]

Spot on Brother! The Razorcrest had SOOOO many parts, intricacies, and accessories and was basically $75.00 cheaper. This Rancor was simple and WAY over priced right out of the gate with fodder to follow. Hasbro either tried to make up on lost revenue from the Razorcrest or the greed was too much for them. Disney should have gotten down from that high horse and made Oola from the start. Regardless, the fans have spoken with a huge right hook to Hasbro's chin.

[@master_grey_wookie2877]

#TeamRazorCrest

[@TheSwishPOP]

Great video! Strong message!

[@KoolKatDave]

Hey Tony, great video, as usual. I hear a lot of people talking about three Haslab projects running concurrently, but they are for three different consumer bases. Me, as a big Star Wars fan, personally, I would still consider the Skystriker, but not the Proton Pack. Now, three Star Wars projects going at once would be stupid, IMO. Cheers from the USA and have a nice Holiday season!

[@ChapMeifan]

I've said it before on other discussion boards and got beat down for it but I still say there is a huge amount of hubris from the Hasbro creative teams and little to no understanding of the people who buy the products. Haslab is most certainly for the elite collector who can drop a few hundred dollars on a project coming out in a couple years. Hasbro takes a stance of telling us what we want rather than asking and doing research. I'm not a Black Series guy and only buy 3.75 so I don't care about this project but I do care about how Hasbro communicates and treats fans. We aren't a cash machine. Years ago I got to know Darrel DePriest and other brand managers at Hasbro and they spent a huge amount of time listening to what Joe fans wanted and learned from mistakes. Sure, they weren't all home runs but there was a drive to include fans in the ideas and decision making process (ie: the Cobra Trooper 6-packs). I look at the current Star Wars and Joe teams and there is a massive disconnect. They ignore the fans (especially the 3.75 guys) and make questionable decisions. I hope this was a wake up call for them but I honestly don't think it will be.

[@Bloodsport1]

Haslab was confused by eBay's prices.

[@legends25]

Cardboard backdrop should have been included, with or without bones. Tier 1 should have been luke with bone, Tier 2 hould have been rancor keeper with or without his friend, Tier 3 should have been Oola, I understand why they have difficulty with this character but she goes with the Rancor and we won't get her at retail and this is for adult collectors anyway. Tier 4 could have been Jabba and Crumb, they have the molds for these so it wouldn't be expensive to include these and some people don't have these still. If they would have done this Im sure it would have got over 20 thousand backers easy. I did Hasbro's job for them.

[@Flassh81]

$350 is a car repair or maintenance for me.

[@antoniovistcoatis1541]

So, I am glad this failed perhaps it will send a message for the future. I doubt it but here is hoping. I have backed 2 Haslab projects the Sentinal and Galactus. The Sentinal was such a huge disappointment I sold it and I am hoping Galactus will be better as it was probably the most interesting project to me and one of my fav characters from Marvel. Point back to that Galactus they did a pretty great job, 32" tall, light up features, highly articulated, multiple face sculpts and not 1 but 2 completely new figures one of which I would have never expected to get made. Not sure why they could not do this kind of work with all haslab projects. Now, I was not in for the Rancor at all, even if the unlocks had been good, maybe if the price had been lower say 200$ ok maybe. I am a MP transformers collector so I am used to dropping considerable bling on a single figure but for sure 350 was too high for this product. Honestly this could have sold at retail for 220 included with the back drop, bones and Rancor keeper and it would have flown off the shelves. To your last point, it is funny, Hasbro BS did run a couple of online polls to vote for figures that could come out. The fans spoke and the winners got released. So, it is very doable to poll the consumer for a verified winner.

[@skunkworksstudios]

The more I look into the current state of the toy industry the more I think it’s collapsing into itself.

[@MrLoafer86]

I'm glad this project failed as it was a ridiculous project to begin with for that price point and an essentially really rough prototype. For $350 they were pretending it was a high end premium product when it clearly looked and feels like a child's toy. I am personally glad collectors called them out on their Emperor's new clothes BS!

[@specter2k]

It's Hasbro thinking that people will pay anything for a collectors item because it's star wars. They completely ignored that people still desire value for their purchase. It was overpriced from the get go with just the rancor, a big hunk of plastic. Then you look at Galactus or the skystriker and all they came with and realize you are getting way more bang for your buck. Arrogance from Hasbro is why this campaign failed.

[@evangriffith7234]

I don't understand why Hasbro has been so slow in getting more Star Wars Black series figures out into the marketplace. There are many Vintage figures that should already be Black Series figures, but aren't. Which is very frustrating as both a fan and a collector. Next year will be a big year for Lucasfilm. With the arrival of four Star Wars series on Disney plus, hopefully Hasbro will be able to get with the program and make more Black Series figures to fill the demand of their customers. The failure of the Haslab Rancor project has been their big reality check. They need to hire actual fans of the Star Wars franchise to work for the company. Who would work hard everyday to develop more Black Series figures which include a more affordable Rancor monster. The Hoth Wampa Black series figure is a good example. What is possible. Furthermore, eliminate all of the special exclusives at Target Walmart, and Walgreens. Which seems only to benefit the online scalpers

[@cedarstuff]

Hasbro are going direct to the customer, yet still don't engage with them, at a time when it's never been easier to do so.

[@fillerbunnyninjashark271]

Direct to the consumer, not customer. They want those who blindly consume

[@bentonrp]

@FillerBunny NinjaShark Good point, but as I'm sure you already know: Consumers only exist where there is a need (hot dogs) or a hype (squid game). Disney Scar Warts has neither. No taxation without representation !!!

[@3.75istheway7]

You absolutely should have some collectors as consultants

[@JurassicRod]

Poor Star Wars. It's insane how much damage has been done to the franchise. What was once the leading action figure brand now can't even sell toys in December with a new movie at the cinema advertising the characters. Though this is as much to do with perceived value for money. The Rancor didn't look worth the price they were asking.

[@Warrior8bit]

You make good points. The Rancor wasn’t well executed at all. If they continue the crowd funder model, they need to make better choices.

[@3.75istheway7]

Your right about a coin and card back, but they do in the vc, but the vc and black series are so different and more then just size

[@bigdaddy2343]

Hasbro built an empire in the 80s and 90s with GI Joe and Transformers. The real problem.. 70s 80s and 90s kids played with action figures from age 5-12 yrs old. Today? It's Targeted at 3-9 yrs old. I don't think there's enough Adult collectors between US and UK and Canada..

[@danielthomas3634]

350 usd Rancor,450 usd tmnt van...What's going on!?

[@troubledturtle2332]

toy companies are taking fans for a nostalgia ride and think those are "reasonable" prices.

[@BainesMkII]

I'd agree that Hasbro as a company doesn't really care whether a HasLab offering fails, as HasLab as a division is probably viewed as a non-vital cog. The HasLab division should definitely care, as the success of campaigns is a vital element of their continued existence. What may be an issue for fans is how much the larger Hasbro entity drives the decisions of HasLab. Did HasLab run three simultaneous campaigns because they were ordered to generate more profits? How much of budgeting and costs outside of their control affect the price and backing numbers that HasLab chose? As for the price point, it could very well be that the way HasLab operates makes an acceptable $250 Rancor an impossible proposition. (That the production would be so compromised that no one would want it.)

[@eightbit1975]

I watched this Rancor unfold last night. I agree with your points. The main one for me was the price was outrageous and the lack of inclusions did not help. The unlocks were ridiculous. Not only far reaching but lackluster. Whoever is involved with that team for this project really screwed it up. The Sky Striker on the other hand is so much of a better deal. The Sky Striker now includes five figures and a ton of accessories, multiple sticker sheets.....and that is before any unlock. The team that worked on the Rancor should take a lesson from the people who have worked on the Sky Striker in my personal opinion.

[@Flassh81]

That graphic is amazing.

[@gyrostwogo6779]

I like the idea of doing a poll.

[@jedi69outcast]

If they just went to retail at a decent price and had a option for a deluxe version with goodies it might have been a win.. and have it available worldwide

[@Newmazingay]

Fomo? Don't feel bad I never knew what a "jackbloak" was untill you taught us in your haslab sentinel video LOOOL LOVE IT !

[@Byle1990s]

Every time hasbro makes a mistake my brain cells die. I may be seventeen in two days and I have a learning disability but I know hasbro needs to get their stuff sorted out if they want us to spend more money on something that shouldn’t be priced that high.

[@garyavery4603]

The "three idea" thing has merit.

[@martinsewell2355]

Lego spoke to its fans on the next UCS ship, have us 3 choices and went with the winner (republic gunship). They don't ask for money up front. They are a true decent toy manufacturer.. Well said as usual Tony

[@Warrior8bit]

The poll and communications is exactly what I was thinking today. Essentially a crowd funder model is literally, allowing customers to choose if something gets made, so since that’s the case - just ask fans what they are willing to buy.

[@aaroneaston8899]

I purchased 2 Razor Crests, multiples of the Sentinels, and a Galactus. I just couldn't pull the trigger on the Rancor. The figure alone has to make me feel it's worth it. The Unlockable Tiers should just be bonus and not ways to justify the price of the Haslab figure because then you are buying more so based on a bundle. I agree on Hasbro taking a survey for the Tiers just like the box arts survey for the Galactus. Also how about rewarding loyal customer with purchase points that can be cashed in towards haslabs sort of like what Mezco does.

[@impossiblepie]

Great constructive criticism and advice Tony, I didn't back it but I do feel bad for the people that really wanted it but I'm am glad the collector basically told Hasbro this isn't good enough, try better the next time. I would've loved a razor Crest but the price and shipping is ridiculous to ship.to Canada, I'd still love a smaller less expensive retail version

Great idea the "Haslab Ideas" like Lego is doing with the Lego fans !

[@MatthewWheeler1980]

I didn't have a horse in the Rancor Race, But here's my idea for a proposed Haslab Rancor: Rancor with backdrop and bones for 199.99 Tier 1: Oola Tier 2: Alakiri Tier 3: Maybe Retooled Luke Or just have 2 tiers. The Rancor has been done many times. Personally, I'd rather see them do a detailed Sarlacc toy.

[@MrDean-fm6bq]

Oola would have got them across the finish line. If you make a toy line for adults, don't treat us like children and withhold what we like based on your internal mommy thinking.

[@BrickIntyre]

There's one guy on Twitter that's been heralding HasLab since the Rancor campaign started. Singing their praises and trying to convince people that the second tier (the cardboard and bones tier) is "absolutely a good tier." He, a KZbinr, also stated that $350 is a fair price for the Rancor and we don't understand what goes into making something like this. I'm pretty sure he also thinks $500 is a fair price for a TMNT van. I don't understand this idea that Hasbro, or any of the toy manufacturers, are our friends. They're in it to make money. I don't doubt that some people in the manufacturing side, the sculptors who are like, "I make toys for a living!" are into it, and excited at what they do. But the people sitting around the big table in the office, the ones making marketing decisions? No. I also don't understand the people that were bemoaning the idea that this sets a bad precedent. That it just "teaches collectors to hold out on buying something until they get what they want." Yes, that's a direct quote. And stupid AF. Why would you spend money on something you don't want. I legitimately feel bad for those collectors that wanted this Rancor. I legitimately feel bad for collectors that have been waiting years to add this to their collection and didn't care about the stretch goals, they just wanted a big monster on their shelf. But this was all on Hasbro. This was their train to wreck.

[@fillerbunnyninjashark271]

I don't feel bad for the people that don't have values and are willing to sell out their fellow collectors or make the figure collecting community worse as a whole because they will purchase and back garbage like this rancor or super7 with their overly inflated prices

[@ccggenius]

It was never going to be the same price as the Skystriker, Hasbro owns GI Joe, so they don't need to pay Disney. The Sentinel would be a better point of comparison, as that was licensed, $350, and DID fund. As for why it didn't fund: they've had to deal with a lot more pandemic related fuckery, so they can't offer as much for the same price; they started the campaign during the holiday season; they started the campaign along side two OTHER campaigns that want your money; those other campaigns are less niche. You can put a skystriker with any Joes and it'll make sense. The proton pack is THE Ghostbusters thing. The only people who want a rancor are the people who want to put a rancor with the rest of their Jabba's Palace stuff, which is only a subsection of the fanbase.

[@sxhbk]

skystriker just made it.... no way they were gonna let them both fail.....

[@joker9494949494]

The fact that they can’t even keep up with demand for the retro figures just shows they don’t care. Certainly it’s cheaper to make those than any other figure they produce and yet they’re always MIA. Don’t even get me started on black series stormtroopers..

[@BikoX]

I enjoy and respect your toy opinions Tony, but I think you and many other toy channels are wrong about the price point issue. Way too many people saying these "limited edition" Haslab projects should be near retail price. I expect to pay a premium for an item that only has 10 or 20 k produced and is essentially a custom design that includes bonus items. That's nothing near what we get at retail and paying 25-50% above retail (concept price) for something like that is reasonable to me.

[@autoneurotic]

No way was that slab of plastic worth $350. Regardless of quantity produced.

[@nathanilsaenz8178]

I am still sad the cookie monsters didn't get funded

[@thebatemans8002]

I collect black series but did not fund the rancor because it was way to dear and i have not got the space for it. So i decided to stick with my vintage kenner rancor and my vintage rancor keeper. I am also working on a diorama for them and it isnt cardboard lol, also stan solo is working on a vintage kenner style oola,winner winner rancor dinner.

[@leamenrs]

I got my USS FLAGG under (well next to) the tree in time for Christmas, that marketing

[@leeprice2849]

The Rancor should be retail and the Haslab part should have been the the Rancor Pit and the gate holding cell with his Handler.

[@theviking6052]

Like I say the item should be worth the money itself

[@chronogaruda2003]

"Life's greatest teacher, failure is."-Yoda

[@carlo2384]

simple: the tier offerings were shit and not worth the $350 commitment. If they offered jabba + full throne, rancor keeper, a weequay, new sculpt luke, "eaten" gamorrean guard variant, Salacious Crumb... this Haslab's fate might have been a different story...

[@LMUstacker]

Rancor apart, Tony, you're a pleasant talker, on KZbin that counts :)

[@Ohmug3nW3apon13]

Some collectors pride is worth more than 350$..

[@Sammy1970]

Great video and I couldn't agree more with the majority of what you said here! You have a new subscriber mate👍🏽👍🏽

[@AnalogToys]

Thanks and welcome

[@ragingtothemax]

Haslabs I have been skeptical of but watching this one fumble so much after how successful Sentinel and Galactus were, its insane how they messed this up.

[@banzaibobA7V]

I love Black series (despite the aggravation of trying to get many of the "exclusives"). I would have loved to add a rancor, but the price they were asking was insane, especially with the initial rubbish they tried to pass off as the bonus tiers. I just backed the Roboskull Mk 2 from Skeletron, and that only cost me $282 with shipping to South Africa. Aside from the fantastic ship, it includes a figure, three drones, weapon effects, alternate cockpit parts etc. And this is from a company a fraction of the size of Hasbro.

[@fillerbunnyninjashark271]

Rancor should have been no more than 150 with all those "unlocks" ... Let's be honest here

[@Melmac1756]

Well said. I agree 100% with everything you said in this video. 🙌👍🙏👊. I’m Spartacus!

[@johnmaguire2561]

Verry well said tony👏👏👏

[@NerdRageAgainsttheMachine]

With any luck hasbro will learn from this kind of debacle.

[@seanfulldark]

Okay, I've not contribute any money into a haslab project but I can theoretically explain how, I would probably be heavily negotiated into doing one. First off my project is probably going to be a lot cheaper in the beginning ranked at a price tag of $200 for three figures, and it is a massive crossover course between Ghostbusters, Transformers and Power Rangers. The starting three figures are Ectotron (which is a Voyager class figure, slightly retooled for the combiner feature) the Astro ship(retooled to make it where you can upgrade your existing figure that we are also giving you to a leader class, and make him a giant robot even more so than usual) & Maligore(naturally leader size) which I have the guess that would be a total of $200, since were having a Voyager figure and a booster pack figure because the ship is not going to be a an actual character in the normal sense, each one of them would be $50 then we have an actual leader size figure that is 100% poseable that the hundred dollars(granted it doesn't transform but most of its parts would be probably a little translucent, maybe some other adjustments so for..) Now for every tear I'm going to say for, roughly a bonus of $50, we start adding some more of the rangers again this would be probably on the cheap side for production purposes but we be showing off new heads, featuring the Ghostbusters extreme cast wearing the outfits of Power Rangers in space, first tier includes the first to cast members, again another set each one of the figures would actually be classified as around $20 so you're not getting a discount you're actually giving $10 extra, but then the last figure is a course Garrett with his souped up wheelchair, which we can branch out as being probably work $30 that retail, still a little pricey but we're also trying to estimate and see if this character is worth going on that extra level. And of course each one these figures would be having their own unique style of a proton pack, to go would be Power Rangers aesthetic.

[@lunavaughn9313]

The idea of a company as big as hasbro crowdfunding stuff like this makes me uncomfortable to start. Theyre a massive company backed by Disney's infinite money. If they wanted to make a product like this they don't need to crowdfund to do it

[@fo5077]

Hasbro should stop calling it “crowdfunding” and call it what it is, made to order products with a minimum order amount.

[@primesyndicate7567]

Hasbro . . . where the fans come last.

[@marcelofernandez7594]

Also their distribution options are terrible if you are not from USA or UK, that also limit the backers from other countries.

[@simongarth2001]

Hey Hasbro, why not try giving the fans what THEY want right from the start? You want their money? Give them what they want. Isnt it supposed to be "where fans come FIRST?"

[@louperez762]

An excellent synopsis of the whole project. I can't help but wonder if at some point in the future ,we'll see this particular item in the shelves of Walmart or Target to some how recoup the loss on Hasbro s part. This could be wishful thinking on my part , but I agree with you Tony , this should have gone to retail from the get go.

[@leeprice2849]

Hasbro executives don't want to be running a Toy company.