Haunted Hyundai...Part 1 (Easter Special :)

Here we go with the EASTER SPECIAL!
Customer was on the way to my shop in his 2016 Hyundai Santa Fe for a P0018 timing diagnosis, but didn't quite make it to the shop...
Car started running very poorly and blowing massive clouds of blue smoke!! WOW.
I drove to town to check out the car and things look pretty bad.
Turns out this Hyundai is hiding more Easter Eggs than you might expect :)
PHAD PRESSURE TRANSDUCER WAITING LIST:
www.pinehollowdiagnostics.com/...
THINK TOOL PROS:
www.amazon.com/dp/B08XXWHQVJ?...
Enjoy!
Ivan

[@serge4856]

Yes, Pine Hollow Auto comes through with educational content. Nothing worth watching for normal TV anymore.

[@duanek9892]

Totally agree!

[@ricfair9919]

So true! GREAT content Ivan!

[@erwinallen2309]

I have a 65 inch tv I have not watched in 2 years I don’t like the new programs also found this.I actually learn from this and I find it fascinating.

[@serge4856]

@@erwinallen2309 I cast KZbin to my big screen, works great.

[@duanek9892]

@@erwinallen2309 With an inexpensive Roku device, watching PHAD and other good content providers on the big screen is easy and a real treat.

[@davide.s.9880]

First mistake buying a Hyundai. Second mistake buying a used Hyundai. Third mistake still owning a Hyundai.

[@2nickles647]

Yup. My daughter had one. We sold it and bought a Toyota.

[@TwilightZoneX]

I have owned Hyundais but made sure I got rid of them before 60,000 miles. NOT known for long time durability especially GDI engines. Why in the world would ANYONE buy a 2016 model with 125,000 miles that you know nothing about the history of it ?? I really feel bad for the man. He made a GRAVE mistake. OMG - poor man should have had a technician do a pre inspection who would have told him to NEVER buy it.

[@ericgunter45]

Have heard its Sonata good idea to buy a Hyundai. LoL

[@fredautos]

🤣😂

[@nickbee1291]

Bank 2 intake CVVT has either sheared or pushed the locating pin between it and the camshaft. Now the CVVT is slipping on the cam and has bound in an out of time position. This is why when you energize the oil control valve you still get a reaction but base time on that cam is still off. When you pull the valve cover off you will see your timing marks on the CVVTs and crank line up great but the cam is off. Looking forward to part 2!

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Or the camshaft is twisted!! ;)

[@willgomez1737]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics work with Kia for 10 year I never seen a twister cam is always the cvvt pin

[@mrblonde2013]

@@willgomez1737 we have seen twisted camshaft before on this channel😊 Ivan and Eric did a case study on one kia/Hyundai v6. Have to keep all options open untill proven otherwise.

[@themechanic6117]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics ahhh the classic twisted camshaft video. I'll never forget that one

[@DIYDaveOK]

@@themechanic6117 Man I remember that one. Unreal.

[@eddiereichel9354]

Happy Easter. It's crazy I had one of these engines in my shop this week. It was 09 without direct injection and in a Kia. Previous ship spent 3k of customers dough and told them it had a broken wire to send it to me because I'm better with wires. He had missed setup of base timing and bank 1 intake cam was off timing. It's a car lot car. This is same shop that did timing in a traverse 2 times then the engine blew up. Car lot bought engine and new timing stuff and post repair they called me to install crank sensor. Instead of installing it I did cam crank and they also had set timing wrong on that one. I still don't understand why they car lot still sends engine work to them.

[@bwdz75]

If I took pictures on Tuesday of one of these I could show you exactly what you will find on the CVVT on the intake side and the cam. Pop that valve cover off, it only takes a few minutes and put a wrench on the cam while holding the chain and you will be able to turn it where the pin sheared. Read the TSB and order the updated CVVT and chain tensioner. Hint, that engine will come out the front in about an hour and it is a lot easier to do it that way than to fight the limited room in there to get the timing cover out.

[@craigiefconcert6493]

If you can’t make a good engine, at least make it easy to change 😉😂 Hyundai service manual: 100k mi service: change fluids, rotate tires, change engine.

[@wotnoturbo]

@bwdz75 You were bang on the money 👌🏻🤙🏻

[@robertw1871]

Sounds like a Cadillac I used to own, literally every section in the factory service manual started with remove engine…. Replacing the alternator was a 4 hour job… At least the North Star was a good motor except the head bolt/gasket leaks…

[@nhzxboi]

Why would you screw with it? Tow it and fix it before it becomes unfixable mechanically. Every second you run it, you risk wrecking it.

[@bertblue9683]

I didn't hardly understand a single piece of this diagnosis but yet I thoroughly enjoyed it. Thank you sir, may I have another.

[@fmbfla]

Nice quote from the movie "Up The Academy"

[@graymodeler]

Bert, basically, Ivan is checking the pressure in the cylinder for all 4 strokes of the piston. The cam is retarded (turned backwards) and leaving the intake valve open too long. The piston starts up on compression but the valve is still closing. This lets the pressure out so instead of 150 pounds in the cylinder, it is only 35. The same thing would be true even with a model T engine.

[@kastooMcFry]

Fascinating case study. Can't wait for part 2. Thanks, Ivan.

[@Frank-pv1hp]

Thanks for the great content Ivan! Love following along with the diagnostic process. Every tech has a slightly different way of looking at the problem and getting to the right answer. Good to see different ways to approach it.

[@AP9311]

Wow, such cool gas shooting out!! Lol. But had a tough time following your thought and hypothesis on what the degrees and grounding and see the marks etc. But I'll watch it again too get better understanding of how it works. Awesome video!!

[@ricfair9919]

Wow Sorry to see you out in the rain! Really great diag. I am along time mechanic and yet I am learning so much from your channel. Keep the videos coming and stay safe.

[@richard1835]

Always a follower of this You Tube channel. Great diagnostic and repair work performed by Ivan. Thank you PHAD

[@ZoomAutoDiag]

You were already my number one KZbinr that I like the most. Now that you are showing incylinder testing, you have become my A1 favorite KZbinr. Please keep the incylinder testing coming! Thanks you 👌🏻🤙🏻

[@craiggoodwin9704]

Ivan, jHappy Easter. It would bring closure to see the actual problem and it's resolution. I bet your going to have orders up the Ying Yang for your pressure transducers. Outstanding tool. Looking forward to Part II. Thanks for Sharing!

[@JoseSilveira-newhandleforYT]

Mind boggling. It seems that more than one problem exists. Out of step (and possibly worn) chain? Injector problem adding to it? No way one could sort this out without the pressure transducer and the scope. Good catch Ivan 🙂 Can't wait for part 2. Happy Easter!

[@billziegmond4943]

Uuuugh the dreaded cam crank correlation code! Great way to use my PHAD transducer when no known good wave form. Thanks for the tip my friend. Happy Easter to you the Mrs and your family.

[@gianfrancoa]

A Hyundai with engine problem, what a surprise!!!

[@thomasbailey8306]

Wow thats crazy how these newer vehicles act. All these electric solenoids. Just plain crazy...Cant wait to see more of what happened..Great Video Ivan.

[@t.s.racing]

The well known and respected shop that I buy my tires, has a large sign at the entrance, " Sorry, but we don't repair Hyundai or Kia ".

[@kerrylewis2581]

Another interesting lesson from Professor Pine. Onto part two.

[@baxrok2.]

In cylinder transducer for the win. Thanks Ivan!

[@johnpetersen8116]

Amazing content, ivan....educational beyond my understanding!

[@paulsoftley116]

Hello pine hollow diagnostics, I think you are brilliant , you take your time explaining , I love it when you fix the cars when other garage's cannot fix, and you try and get the money back off these dealers when customer have had no joy, you and south main autos should sing together the tune off engines running bad, keep on KZbining 👍

[@PinBall3]

Timing Is Everything Good Content 👍 Part 2 Should Be Interesting Happy Easter Ivan

[@johnxiong9034]

Great information and happy Easter day 😀

[@GS-lh2nx]

I suppose if you put a spark plug in the tailpipe he could at least enjoy an afterburner to take his mind off the smoke coming out of his wallet.

[@htownblue11]

Great use of the pressure transducer Ivan. My guess is sheered pin in the cam or a problem with the timing belt set up.

[@inothome]

Question, and maybe I missed it. Does the ECM PWM the cam solenoids? If it does and you force the solenoid on to 100% can that possibly overheat and burn out the solenoid? Or, does the ECM just command the solenoid on and off? Looking forward to a hopeful part #2!

[@petebach7221]

Awesome diagnosis

[@zx8401ztv]

You lost me with the wave forms but the solinoid effect made sense. Someone changed the timing chain and screwed up. No wonder it sounded like a tin can being shook with loose bolts in it lol.

[@Markb8608]

I feel for this guy and Ivan's heroic patience to help him out. Probably a man who can least afford this kind of problem.

[@enricopolazzo33]

I would bet the chain is pretty stretched and jumped time. The GDI pump adds quite a load on the camshaft.

[@jfv65]

Sure but so does an entire valvetrain. A chain should be able to handle that. I'm thinking either a broken valve chain tensioner (which could cause the chain to jump teeth) or human error made during a HG job.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Yes interesting that the code is for the exact cam that drives the HP fuel pump...coincidence?

[@enricopolazzo33]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics I own a sonata 2.0t. Despite being well maintained it started throwing P0017 at 150k. Chain was very stretched.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

@@enricopolazzo33 well it's not a Toyota or Honda haha

[@stevepark5504]

Typical intake valve close is about 600*(40-60ABDC) so the intake isn’t too far out. But in any case intake valve timing has no way to cause the fuel flooding condition. The injectors are over feeding that bank. The hydrolock would indicate the injector is stuck open.

[@SocketSilver]

Love the external mouse. I do my laptop work the same way.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

It saves soooo much time lol

[@proanswers]

Wow ! this is going to be interesting. Timing chain on bank 2 faulty? How? Thought Hyundai SANTA FE utilized timing belts 2006 and up, Thanks for the video hopefully we get to see part #2, #3 ,,,,,, etc.

[@danman9017]

always enjoy your video .my opinion there is a injector leaking for a cyl lock up or a head gasket leak but you say is a gas smell must be inj

[@Sandmansa]

By the sound of it, it would seem that the cam gear may have slipped on the cam shaft. But that shouldn't happen. Unless the cam shaft itself is binding up somehow maybe? I hope you get the job. I'm looking forward to seeing what happened.

[@MTTech]

Hyundai/Kia usually have good waveform data in their service info. Something Eric O likes about Hyundai/Kia.

[@Arnthorg]

14:00 I think It would be cool to see the two different waveforms layed over each other. Can you overlay the waveforms in pico software? If not, it's possible by using layers in some image software like GIMP

[@victorvillasana3409]

I wonder WHY…..whenever you buy a used car, it has no check engine. But magically appears in a couple days.

[@turboimport95]

because if they are shady they clear the codes and ship it, And when the Ecu does it's self checks it finds issues...

[@Cheepchipsable]

Depending on the code, sometimes you can clear them and if it's not a hard fault it might take a short while to return.

[@jimhaines8370]

With all that fuel in the cat after engine repair probably a P0430 I’m the future soon

[@richardcranium5839]

when it hydro locked it's game over. starters can bend rods. i'd bet theres a hung injector on top of cam timing problems. you may be able to get it running but will it last???

[@ecaparts]

That’s a lot of fuel to be just a valve timing problem. Interesting that is the same bank with the high pressure mechanical fuel pump. Do we have another leaking high pressure pump?? Wasn’t that already replaced?? I guess we have to wait and see…

[@jonathans6265]

Im interested to see what was up, hopefully you will get to do repair

[@wdputman556]

Enjoy the videos Ivan.

[@anthonyrebock5351]

Alike tha peaky mountain thing graph with green an yellow lines up an down....technical jargon, me want aspirine now.

[@raymondjones7489]

I hope he agrees..this will be a good one!!great video!!👍😎

[@nellyxavier8923]

boom ...here we goe

[@agmc4me]

Dang 2nd. Happy Easter

[@trippplefive]

23:15 it's more than 60 degrees intellectually challenged

[@stevewhite3424]

I love your content and I have been subscribed for quite some time but just as a input from one of your Supporters and not a demand in any way, I must say I hate the 2 parters. KZbin makes it very easy to pause a video and resume where you left off so it really shouldn't matter how long a video is. So I guess I'm not really making a significant complaint just passing along my thoughts. Everyone be safe over this Easter weekend!

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

You're in luck, Steve! This one is much longer than 2 parts :))

[@stevewhite3424]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics You are just evil. :)

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

@@stevewhite3424 haha think of it as a TV series with multiple episodes. That's how you keep viewers engaged!

[@stevewhite3424]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Oh I'm gonna watch every second of it, I'm just greedy. :)

[@fascistpedant758]

Could the wire you were connected to @14:20 be the cyl. 6 injector? It would explain the fuel in the cylinder. If I suspected that the chain had jumped that much, I wouldn't even dare cranking it anymore for fear it would jump more and crunch valves. I hope you had it towed home.

[@braddampier6143]

I was wondering the same thing about the injector.

[@bonedaddy4670]

And for part two, watch Ivan “resurrect” a near-dead Hyundai! Happy 🐣!

[@chrissimmons9969]

Problem is the Hyundai engines come of the showroom floor near dead __

[@neilmurphy845]

That code usually means there's an issue with the chain or timing at least on Nissan's

[@donmunro144]

I'm so glad that I'm retired.

[@pattersonfilm9117]

I’m working on that lol mechanic of 30 years here I’m sick of this 💩🙄

[@tam1381]

I would sat that the compression got better due to the extra fuel in the cylinder. Injector stuck open ? I'm sure your scope will answer that one.

[@benjaminrich9396]

Dave looks like an old Ivan :)

[@bruceirvine3962]

Have a blessed Easter!

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Thank you Bruce!

[@stephroll9708]

Spewing fuel on a passing Ford Escape . Kinda like sneezing in someone’s face , that Escape will be in a shop in no time lol

[@dongibson644]

Check Hyundai for recall, I feel sorry for that poor man! 😢

[@emrfixit]

Have you tried an anti glare screen for your laptop?

[@neilmurphy845]

I wonder what brand of chain did they use because they normally last a long time

[@mikefoehr235]

If the chain has jumped some teeth, how did it happen? I assume the gears are keyed to the shafts they live on...so is a key 🔑 broken possibly. Once this engine runs properly it will need an oil change.

[@n9wox]

Loose chain. Broken guides or tensioner.

[@mikefoehr235]

@@n9wox chain would rattle if it is loose...right

[@n9wox]

@@mikefoehr235 Maybe. Maybe not.

[@gailtaylor1636]

Probably need a set of rod bearings. These are the type of vehicles that retired me. I'm not comfortable charging a customer $2-3K for doing a timing job on something that likely will spin a bearing in less than a year. I'm a do it right type of guy instead of do it cheap.

[@mikefoehr235]

@@gailtaylor1636 Kia and Hyundai engines do have some serious issues. I did own one with my wife. The ACCENT we had was no where near as good as our Corolla we had.

[@dendkmac]

Nice use of the pressure transducer to show where all the timing sits on that vehicle and pinpointing it that's probably being a couple teeth off.

[@kraschsclassics]

Think I'd do a leak down test to make sure there isn't any other problems.

[@corranda]

Gotta love a haunted Hyundai

[@adotintheshark4848]

I have a local mechanic who hates Hyundais and Kias. If you brought this to him he'd say, "new engine time". He wouldn't bother with it.

[@damarwirawan1348]

Somethin wrong with the cam sensor, the crank sensor and vavle timing solenoid. But the real question does it ever change its timing chain?

[@MattyEngland]

Let's go

[@Dirtyharry70585]

Chain or cam gears

[@edwinlomonaco6754]

Maybe I missed something here. But it seems like there are 2 problems here. The injector for the cylinder you're testing on is acting like a failed injector. A timing issue won't usually cause the cylinder to hydrolock from fuel. When you cranked the engine over with the hose adapter fuel came spraying out. Also wouldn't the pressure waveforms be severely skewed from cylinder wash? The waveforms look erratic as if the fuel is not only skewing them but also causing the low compression.

[@calholli]

The fuel can't "cause low compression" ---- IN order for there to be good compression, the intake valve has to CLOSE while the piston is at the very bottom--- so then you get that full length of the stroke to squeeze the volume of the cylinder down to a pancake...... If your timing is off--- then the piston will be coming up higher and higher, but the compression never builds-- because the valve is still open, which just lets the air vent back out of the cylinder. The reason the compression is so low (only 25psi or so, when it should be 150psi)--- is because the valve timing is so far off that by the time the valve finally closes, the piston is already near the top-- so it only catches the last moments of compression happening. (ironically, this is exactly how an "atkinson cycle" engine works-- but that's irrelevant)........... The reason there's so much fuel, is because since there is no compression, the cylinder never fires and never burns. This thing is only running on 3 cylinders. The other 3 are just dumping fuel in there over and over, and never burning-- so it adds up fairly quickly................ Point being, he has to pull the chain and re-set the timing with a new chain- there's no way around it.

[@kipamore]

Novice here; isnt the hydrolock caused by the pressure transducer being in the cylinder, rather than a spark plug?

[@edwinlomonaco6754]

@@calholli I agree with everything you stated here. With the exception of fuel NOT causing low compression. Excess fuel in the combustion chamber can absolutely cause low compression as it washes down the piston rings and thus you lose compression. And the amount of fuel coming out of that engine is pretty extreme. With that said I'm sure we'll find out what the root cause is. And I trust Ivan's work and skills. I'm in no way stating I think he's wrong. Just an observation. As this is also my career and I'm always learning. Thus asking questions is definitely part of it. So if it were me, which it isn't, I would want to make sure excess fuel is not causing all the readings to be off. I.E. perform the same tests on a neighboring cylinder. Disable fuel. Clear cylinders out. Add oil to cylinders to restore compression. And retest. Again this is going by what I'm seeing. At no point in the video did he state the vehicle is only running on 3 cylinders. There were codes for multiple cylinder misfires. But those aren't always accurate. Just giving my perspective. And pushing back a little on the fuel related low compression.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

@@edwinlomonaco6754 Great point Edwin! Have started many "fuel washed" engines by holding the pedal to the floor and cranking it. You are spot-on, the excess fuel was likely causing the extremely low peak compression numbers!

[@calholli]

@@edwinlomonaco6754 I was just deducing that myself... With the timing being so far off on that bank, that it was causing the compression to be that low-- and how they are getting flooded with fuel--- I just assumed that the entire bank isn't running at all/ and that's what is causing the excess fuel to build up. I mean, that's three lines of evidence pointing towards those cylinders not running at all-- and the engine has a terrible miss. But, that is me jumping to conclusions, I'll admit............... So If I'm hearing what you're saying: The timing may not be off by that much really-- so it should still be running somewhat-- but the compression is low because of excess fuel-------- SO are you saying that maybe there's a leaky injector dumping fuel in one of the cylinders? and that's why there is excess fuel-- and that's causing the low compression? I can see your point: It could be either way I guess. I didnt' really pay attention to how far off the timing was retarded............. My point was, if it's still running, then where is that excess fuel actually coming from?

[@nellyxavier8923]

wow.!

[@johnshellenberg1383]

Weird! If the timing was off, no clue why it would be fine for a couple of days then go kablooey. But, it sure looks like the intake cam is waaaaaaay out, omg, and mechanically so. Big job, ugh.

[@Garth2011]

Does his state or county require emission checks when transferring title?? Sadly, this is a poor sale if the seller didn't tell buyer there were problems with the engine and "they were repaired".

[@bigdaddymak1439]

Doesn't Hyundai give known good wave forms on service info?? Just wondered i thought they did. Get diag as usual

[@thegreek2640]

I have a 2013 same exact Santa Fe .. Took it to the dealership & they said codes p0021/p0018 came up… What should I do the suv runs fine never stalled or anything .. Oh by the way the dealership wanted me to pay $4,400 to get it fixed.Oh by the way I CALLED 4 different Hyundai dealerships in my area to schedule an appointment & all of them were booked a month away.. NEVER am I buying a Hyundai AGAIN..

[@ernestdamo677]

Good morning senior, please i have kia Sportage 2016 GDI with a code p1326 glow relay - stuck on, please i need your help

[@paulmonk7820]

Do you have a tripod? Do you watch your videos? Making me dizzy! Glare is still a problem.

[@kevin9c1]

I was yelling at my monitor because I am worried you didn't think through whether energizing that valve control solenoid could shift the valve timing into the interference range. When you connected power I heard something that didn't sound good.......but I guess that was just the injectors.

[@fascistpedant758]

The camshaft was retarded. Activating the solenoid valve advances it. If the camshaft had jumped forward, it could have been dangerous.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

I was advancing a retarded camshaft, so wasn't worried about that happening :)

[@pirihern9329]

No bueno

[@iceman9549]

👍👍👍

[@georgebell3964]

👍

[@pantherplatform]

_"At Wilkins Hyundai and Subaru, we sell Hyundais and Subarus."_

[@carlm2590]

Just got my eggs ready and see this in my alerts 👍

[@iGeng]

I'm surprised a 2016 car was specc'ed for 5W-30 oil according to the time mark at 22:37. This generation of Santa Fe came out in 2013 when most, if not all, Asian vehicles all went to 0W-20. News just came out of a class action lawsuit again Hyundai for excessive oil consumption. Probably why Hyundai called for heavier oil because they knew their engine would consume oil even worse if specc'ed for 0W-20.

[@on-site4094]

It’s it’s Hyundai it’s. Disposable. @ 100k.

[@weldingjunkie]

Watching video now had same issue on a 14 these engines have a bulletin and warranty long block replacement free. These engines are notoriously bad.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Wow what goes wrong with them?

[@weldingjunkie]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics the connector rods cast are defective, burrs break loose and mess up timing and bad chain and guides. They are replacing engines on them almost daily. It’s supposed to be up to 125k but I’ve seen them do up to 200k these are on the 4 cylinders not sure on the 6 I’m curious as to what you found

[@weldingjunkie]

@Jonathan A I know I said that, the 3.3 have same issues however they didn’t put them in the bulletin’s. Doesn’t change the fact they have issues. Twisted cams infieror parts Jonathan.

[@mikechiodetti4482]

Scope for the win......again. That engine sounds bad and yes I know the high pressure fuel pump does make noise.

[@A2Wx8]

The high pressure pump is so noisy on a cold start on my Kia 3.3 V6 that the service manual I bought actually has a note in it that the tapping noise is normal behavior. Sure takes some getting used to!

[@brandonsnider7907]

Broken cam sprocket teeth or a borked chain on such a young vehicle?

[@craigiefconcert6493]

I was just listening and not really watching. What I learned: do not buy a Hyundai. My Honda: 23 years old, 230k km’s. Still going strong.

[@nickmalone3143]

The only thing that stopped my 2001 honda accord was emmisions test. After my cat was stolen would never pass with the aftermarket cat

[@wayneg296]

👍👍😎✌️

[@nickmalone3143]

Thar engine looks pretty clean for 125k miles

[@mykofreder1682]

You're messing with the timing, what is the chance all these timing parts go bad. Something or someone messed with the timing and maybe continues to mess with it. The something mechanical guess would be the timing chain or gears have an issue, was the engine rebuilt and are other timing parts like cams correct. You just bought the car, unless the engine is totaled you have it towed to the shop and get it fixed.

[@ewhibs]

Why does fuel smell?

[@warmlandmobilebrakes]

Why does ketchup taste?

[@somerandomguy3868]

I'm sure you advised the owner not to drive the car in it's current state

[@ua7pyro591]

3.3 Junk

[@ryans413]

Can’t drive that thing with an entire bank miss firing maybe if one cylinder was not a whole bank it’s going to destroy those catalytic converters.

[@samrugtiv3839]

That old boy got beat good i would take it back that's going to be a 3 thousand dollar job to repair that out fit .

[@tomtke7351]

is this a non-interference engine?

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

It's not a 20 year old Toyota haha

[@tomtke7351]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics are all variable cam engines non interference?

[@MrCheeto01]

I hate these videos where someone screwed up the engine then sells it to someone who has no idea, nobody has the ability to pay for a proper repair because their doing it on the cheap