Haunter Only - Pokemon Yellow

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Rules:
1. Only my starter in battle
2. No items in battle, except held items
3. No glitches, exploits, save states, or RNG manipulation
4. No evasion moves before level 100*
Rule details:
-- *In gen1, evasion boosting is allowed if the Pokemon does it through means other than learning the move by level up or TM. For example, using Mimic or Mirror Move to boost evasion is allowed. (This exception is to keep ranking consistent with my legacy videos.)
-- I am allowed to manipulate my starter
-- I play the game at 4x game speed
-- For fair comparisons all my Pokemon have perfect (or near perfect) DVs / IVs
-- I am allowed to catch HM users - I can use all field moves
-- All in-battle glitches are allowed in generation 1
-- In generation 1, I'm allowed to skip Marowak with the Poke Doll
-- Surge's trash-can-puzzle is automatically solved
-- The bike is allowed in gen1, banned in gen2, and allowed for bypassing terrain in gen3
-- Saving between league members is allowed
-- If the solo Pokemon faints and I choose to blackout it counts towards my reset counter
-- I can pause the game and timer to take breaks
-- The footage is sped up / slowed down to match the pace of my narration
-- The ability Pickup can only be used if the starter has it
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[@lyoukeefen7199]

Please include a guard spec in the Giovanni team preview. It’s an important part of his sponsorship contract

[@TrueNomadSkies]

Haha he's totally a shill for Guard Spec.

[@Zorgdub]

I'll second that. The GuardSpec is an essential part of fighting Giovanni.

[@MrMacdaddymcfly]

And the super potion for Blaine!

[@HighPriestFuneral]

@@Zorgdub It is hilarious to think of the Gym Leaders as influencers who are shilling their sponsored item. Lt. Surge's X-Speed, Koga's X-Attack on his special attacking Venomoth, etc...

[@sopadumacacoumadelicia5]

​@@MrMacdaddymcfly and the full heals for Brok when the situation calls for it like with Koffing

[@svansiian2050]

Scott when hit by 1 sand attack : "my accuracy is now 66% which means I will always miss" Scott when using hypnosis : "60% accurate ? yeah it'll work out don't worry"

[@marzbar5877]

Similar risk, higher reward 🤷

[@BloodfelX]

@@marzbar5877 Certainly a difference in feeling; missing with Hypnosis is like "Yeah okay I got greedy" while missing after accuracy loss or evasion boosting is like "Well curse me for just trying to play the game I guess".

[@matthewbishopburn3874]

I feel like they gave the gastly line the poison typing because in gen 1 the poison type was the default “evil” type, which from gen 2 onwards would be replaced with the dark type.

[@rc4780]

A sponsor! Scott got a sponsor! Congrats man, you really deserve it.

[@String.Epsilon]

You should totally do a race with Hypno vs. Hypno where you change it's growth rate to medium slow. Would serve as a great illustrration of how important growth rate is, because you'd be comparing the pokemon to itself.

[@ikethekiller5236]

Im happy to see my ideas ended up being critical and useful for the final time! Always a pleasure helping/working with you, I love to see how our collective worker between many runners ends up being helpful. Amazing video, thank you for your continuing work, dedication and incredible quality videos Scott&team

[@kannavz3494]

you are awesome Ike!!!!

[@TheMoogleKing93]

Ha Critical. Slash.

[@goldkobold6496]

Personally I think if they learn double team or Minimize through level up it should be allowed to be kept. It’s part of their natural move set

[@najxoslamp2963]

Same it's the pokemon's flavor.

[@DLC88]

Agreed

[@mymarshlands]

scott discussed it in the last Grimer video. It makes the mons that learn those moves have boring, easy runs, but i think he said he was willing to make comparison runs in the future to rank them with and without those moves

[@Naxhus2]

Right there with you. I agree that allowing double team TM would be lame, but there are few enough pokemon who learn it that it isn't tedious to use for those who do get it. Otherwise you might as well ban all badge boosting moves.

[@pdwarnes]

Maybe giving those pokemon something instead to make up for missing one of the very few moves they get?

[@nautgamingnautgaming9949]

I remember when runners like gym leader matt AND Austin did this Erika pathing back in the smeargle versus community challenge And now this is a META path for speedrunning I am seeing THE LEARNING and improvements SCOTT GOOD JOB

[@dranziken]

I love that you're bringing your community into the videos. I feel like these runs are going to start getting CRAZY optimized!

[@paulnewton2284]

I'm excited to see Weepinbell and Poliwhirl. I think both have the potential to outdo Haunter. They both get a sleep inducing move (Sleep Powder or Hypnosis) and strong stat boosting moves (Growth and Swords Dance for Weepinbell and Amnesia for Poliwhirl).

[@MelmanV2]

I immediately thought poliwhirl

[@C_Train74]

That first Champion fight had SIX Hypnosis hits in a row. I have never seen that 😮

[@RandysOfWar]

I loved the section with the graphed information on different levels for each poke. Really puts each run into perspective

[@Steve_A93]

Regarding Body Slam on Gengar, I think it makes sense. The whole idea of the Gengar-line is it starts as a non-corporial ball of gas, and evolves into the fully formed Gengar. Haunter being an intermediary step. So I think it makes sense that it gains Body Slam upon being fully formed.

[@TheCulturedMan34]

Thats like giving saturn body slam

[@jeanlou3]

So glad you are getting sponsors! Your videos help me relax at night, so a sleep sponsor is very fitting. Ps: I also have an orange cat. So lovely little goofballs

[@greyscaleadaven]

Great video Scott! In terms of what middle stage evos seem most likely to me in terms of beating Haunter, the two that come to mind are Poliwhirl and Weepinbell. Poliwhirl might seem like a weird choice to some, it gets a ton of advantages ingame that it's prevolution and evolution both don't get. It's a happy medium between having an incredible movepool, typing, and passable stats. 90 speed is very good, it's other stats are not great, especially that 50 base special but keep in mind that once you get access to amnesia, that won't be a problem anymore. It gets bubble and hypnosis to start, very good for brock. It seems worse than it is for misty, because if I'm not wrong you can get access to Seismic Toss before her gym which makes it easier in tandem with hypnosis and water typing. After that, you get access to Body Slam and Bubblebeam. Surge is super rough here, not sure what the exact gameplan would be outside of hypnosis luck. But, once you get past him you can skip Erika until you get blizzard/psychic or enough levels and move on to other trainers. Amnesia at 41 is huge and will allow this pokemon to pick up speed and sweep through the game near the mid-to-late game portions. My prediction is that it might outperform Haunter based on this mid and late game boost where Haunter's champion battle among other inconsistencies (overreliance on hypnosis over a boosting move and meh coverage for ingame RBY) holds it back. Another pokemon to consider is Weepinbell. I was actually debating whether to put Ivysaur here instead or not. A race between the two would be really interesting! But I think my edge goes to Weepinbell. It just gets a ton of options early, even if it learns Razor Leaf super late. Vine Whip + Growth + Wrap at level 1 plus Sleep powder not far on the horizon give it a lot to work with early game. It has a ton of opportunities to just break through opponents it might even have a disadvantage against with this combination of moves which is an impressive quality. With a similar growth rate to Victreebel, it's bound to get access to Razor Leaf before long, though it has a very rough mid-to-late game to work with considering it doesn't have the same amount of power by any means at a paltry 85 Special and 55 speed. It' defense is 50 and HP is 65 which is slightly fragile too. It also loses access to Body slam, which Ivysaur gets. It should be kept in mind however that Bellsprout is above Poliwag, which might be a good indicator that if I think Poliwhirl will do good, there's no reason why Weepinbell shouldn't either. I don't really have an argument as to why it might be better than Haunter, other than Victreebel's results and Grass/Poison being one of the better types for Kanto. It could surprise us, but I wouldn't be surprised if a mon like Ivysaur was better considering it gets Razor Leaf 8 levels earlier and Body Slam to pair with SD. Anyways thanks for the prompt lmao

[@thebigbean8783]

My favorite line of pokemon. I've been waiting for this playthrough since you started your channel! I think this thing is about to destroy this game!!! I'm so happy to see this playthrough!! I'm rooting for it to hit S tier. I think it can do it!!!

[@aarongeorge8175]

Looks like the main reason the Haunter like are Poison types is because Ghost-type was an extremely last minute decision on the part of the designers (Dragon and Bug were also probably late decisions). As a result, I’m almost positive that for most of development, Gastly, Haunter and Gengar were pure Poison-type (they are gas clouds after all) and they left the typing on the family probably because that’s what they were playtested as and they didn’t want to accidentally break some battle’s balance by completely changing their weaknesses. Hope that helps!

[@darlhiatt8136]

Really, bug? What makes you say that, the movepool?

[@aarongeorge8175]

@@darlhiatt8136 We know from the internal data that Ghost was the last physical type added, and Bug was right before it (Dragon was the last special type added). In addition, yeah, Bug has only four moves in the final, and in the early moveset data we have, all of those moves were still Normal type and hadn't yet been switched to Bug (Ghost moves were all Ground type in that data, oddly, but that was probably a placeholder). I'm also pretty sure that Ice and Rock were very late, though not as late as those three. Interestingly, if you remove those fives types (Dragon, Bug, Ghost, Ice, and Rock) then all the other types are covered by one of the Gyms plus the fighting Dojo.

[@darlhiatt8136]

@aarongeorge8175 wow. It's fascinating what you can learn from internal data. Yeah, I can't think of why lick and confuse ray would be ground type, placeholder is probably right. Not sure Rock fits your theory there though, it has its own gym leader in Brock already without needing to be excluded. Although, aside from bug, those 5 types do map OK to the elite 4 if you count Bruno as a Rock trainer. I do think the Fighting Dojo may have once been planned as an actual gym though, although I do really like the worldbuilding implications it brings up.

[@aarongeorge8175]

I’m sorry, I forgot to mention that Brock was probably a Ground trainer in earlier development, not Rock (notice how his two Pokémon are both Ground type and the Junior trainer has a Diglett?) Giovanni was 100% a flying type trainer- you can even see this in the final, since his badge is still shaped like a feather. There’s also only three Roco type moves in the final game, and iirc one was Ground originally. Also, fun fact: originally Agatha wasn’t a ghost trainer: she had the three Eevees, a Tauros, and a Tangela!

[@darlhiatt8136]

@aarongeorge8175 wow! That's a really different version of Agatha. I like the Tauros, a subtle Prof Oak connection. It's hard to imagine Giovonni as flying type despite the badge design just because of how iconic some of his normal team become over the gens, but for Red and Blue (as opposed to Yellow where his mons have Earthquake) that might have made a tougher final gym. Would be interesting to see that alternate reality.

[@perkypenguin1663]

Haunter’s design is so cool and unique. I’m happy about its performance today :)

[@bastion_92]

I used to be amazed when my cousin could start and get 4 badges before bedtime on a school night back in 98. Seeing these games beat now and especially the glitch runs is just insane how much value these games have provided over the years.

[@marsella527]

The reason I'm enjoying your vids more and more is you actually use stats to back everything up, and show it too. It's not a "well I did better because I said so"

[@sjoerdglaser2794]

I think the middle evolution that can rival this is Weepingbell, just because it's final evolution is the only one that beat Gengar.

[@andyplaysgundam]

Surprised that Psychic and Mega Drain didn't get the one-hits off of Giovanni. But the guard spec sponsor saved the day 😏

[@lazypaladin]

Im really looking forward to more Community Run Comparisons in this vid. Its a fab idea!

[@pyriel6870]

Ah finally, my favorite pokemon of all gens. Based on your thorough gameplay i feel you did my Haunter the best way possible and i truly thank you for that. I know its just the middle child of the line so to speak, but ever since i first saw its sprite in red (favorite sprite too lol but yellows sprite is a close 2nd) and then the Sabrina episode in the anime i absolutely fell in love with the goofy mischievous ghost and my opinion hasnt changed once. It is regrettable that the moveset for the entire line is 😑 at best, especially with lick being the only STAB move it can have as a ghost along with the blundered immunity psychic types have in gen 1. But with its performance here i can say at least it has some decently viable choices from the TMs it has access to. I cant wait for your eventual test of Haunter in crystal and other gens but i know that'll be a ways down the road and im content to wait for those days to come in the next year or 2. I will predict that youll have a similar result like this when comparing to Gengar in those playthrus, potentially same tier but a few spots behind due to same moves, routes, and battles just with lower stats causing that little bit of extra time. Thanks again for playing my Haunter so well and giving it the chance to shine. Excellent video quality, game play, inlay was awesome, and commentary on point as usual my friend. Keep up the great pokemon data collection, gotta rank them all!!! Later lol

[@Hippo_Pat_Amus]

Scott and Hypnosis: name a more iconic duo!

[@justinsims655]

Gotta love Haunter's sea urchin backsprite lol. I was well-acquainted with it as a child, as I had no friends for trading.

[@whitehawk7694]

Awesome, time for my favourite pokemon! Loved haunter since I was a child without a link cable 😅

[@hardhatlunchpal]

Haunter was always my favorite Pokemon. His design and floating hands are so cool.

[@henry5274]

i personally like the old double team rule but its your show and im just here to watch

[@Ubernewb111]

Honestly if i knew ghastly and haunted were as viable as they were i would have used them more in playthroughs growing up but i thought they wouldn't be very good if i couldnt evolve them

[@Skarfar90]

Haunter did exceptionally well in Red/Blue, at least in my own solo run with it. Haunter achieved a final game time of 3:01, my currently 4th fastest run

[@pigeonfog]

I am predicting that haunter is going to do pretty much as well as gengar, obviously placing a little lower.

[@pyriel6870]

And you were correct lol, good prediction

[@thesikniss1777]

Was actually kinda waiting for this one. I didn’t have a computer or anything when I got yellow so I didn’t know haunter was a trade evolution. I soloed haunter and naturally leveled it to 99 but at some point I taught it explosion and that made the elite four very difficult. I really didn’t have any idea how anything worked unless it was in game so naturally I spent an excessive time with hauter.

[@SorthCarver]

For the sleep thing, I would suggest trazodone. I have a similar issue and it works great to get my mind relaxed for sleep. It is an over the counter prescription though.

[@firedrake110]

That first-run initial attempt champion battle was wild, casually hitting six hypnosis in a row. 60% -> 36% -> 20% -> 12% -> 6.5% -> 3.5%

[@BloodfelX]

Hi Scott! Ever considered a "true solo run"? i.e. no other Pokemon caught at all, no other party members, the starter is the only Pokemon from start to finish and has to use any needed HMs or wanted field moves itself. I feel it would make an interesting decision making process, choosing between dedicating a move slot to Fly or leaving it open for another move at the cost of travel time and convenience. Generation I ends up being a particularly interesting time for it due to the lack of move deleters, but also only 3 HMs being needed to complete the game. Candidates for the challenge are: >Mew (the only one that can learn Fly, since I forgot Dragonite can't learn Cut - oops) >Krabby >Kingler >Lickitung I thought Dragonite would be able to as well, but I was thinking of Hoenn where Cut is optional. Unfortunate that none of the other three gain access to any of Dig, Teleport or Softboiled like Mew does. Thank you for your time! ( And sorry if I've already mentioned this before and forgot that I'd brought it up already. :x )

[@ru213]

That sponsorship was genius!!!! That is hilarious

[@duncathan_salt]

i have never, ever felt more targeted by an ad spot than when i started playing this video, locked my phone, prepared my ADHD meds for tomorrow morning, turned off my light, and put on my sleep mask to go to bed...

[@qinaxin7107]

That sponsorship hits given I am watching this because insomnia has nope, no sleep for you.

[@leosmit8612]

June 19 is my sons bday 🎉🎉🎉definitely happy you dropped this

[@garryfischer3679]

that rival fight had me on edge!

[@TripleShizzle]

Great run!

[@charlessegale6493]

OK, I juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust finished the video. Here are my thoughts: I'm glad you talked about the issue of PP management early on. Whenever I play Gen 1, I like to use the Trainer Fly/Mew Glitch to get certain Pokémon earlier than I should. Mew and Staryu are the obvious ones, of course, but during my last few playthroughs - Red, Green (fan "translated" by using the Pokémon Blue script similarly to how fans "translated" Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep: Final Mix in English on PSP before it was officially translated and released on PS3/4) and Blue - I've also went out of my way to nab Gengar as well. Its PP problems are exactly the same as Haunter's until you reach the S.S. Anne and nab Body Slam. It's still not perfect since its Attack is still much weaker than its Special, but at least it's not the same three moves that have low PP and only do much utility. The only reason it wasn't as bad in my case was because I could use the same glitch to encounter Missingno to get essentially close to infinite TM's such as Thunderbolt and Psychic. Oh, and the Rare Candies. And the Master Ball(s). And the Full Restores. I love how this community just keeps helping each other out! Seeing everyone's input on the Champion battle is really neat and further cements what I've been saying since those batch of videos discussing the Porygon race: you and your team have carved an incredible niche that has brought so many people together. Whether it's people like me who mostly comment on these videos as we have since the early days; to others in the community who have been influenced by your videos and are starting their own runs; to those that were doing them around or maybe before you like Gym Leader Matt, VanMan, Speedrunner, Andrew Davis, Ike the Killer and many, *MANY* others I have left to list. You and your team have been doing incredible work and it's heartening to see you all grow and continue to grow over the years. Anyways, another excellent run as always, Scott and Team! Naturally, it's no surprise it made it to the S-Tier after some small optimizations.

[@Lilabrausedino]

the statistics between the 2 playthroughs where really cool!

[@charlessegale6493]

To this day, even after over two decades, I am *STILL* confounded over how there are only 3 Ghost types in Gen 1 that are supposed to be Super Effective against Psychics...only for the Ghost moves to not work as intended and the Ghosts themselves to be WEAK to Psychic moves because of their Poison typing. XD I'm currently at the point of the video in Mt. Moon where you're talking about the Poison type being plastered on the Ghosts. That's...actually an interesting theory. I never thought of that! As always, enjoying these runs, dude!

[@jdsnerdverse]

A pretty good strategy that I use when I play through with the gastly line was using confusion and bide together. Whenever bide is initiated It calculates all the damage done by the opposition. Whether that damage is done to itself or you is irrelevant. So if the opposition hurts itself it's added to the bide calculator

[@TJF588]

41:24 "That gives me two more levels against the rival in Silph, which is always nice" "Always," he says, when Haunter is at 70 HP.

[@frostedbyte0759]

Great video dude!

[@handanyldzhan9232]

1:15 IKR, most ADHD medicines are stimulants, so I get you. 2:36 ROFLMAO. 2:54 Still better than Onix lol. 3:29 Don't quite think so. Gastly to Haunter is proportionally a bigger step up than Haunter to Gengar, so it'll be closer to Gengar than Gastly (called it but the strategy was also better).

[@kman8445]

29:12 due to a programming quirk / shortcut, lick cannot paralyze ghost types! This is because gamefreak programmed types to be immune from secondary effects of moves that match their type. I believe the intent was for this to be "oh fire types shouldn't be burned, electric types paralyzed, ice types frozen" but due to the way it was programmed it extends to immunities that don't make sense, like all normal types being immune be paralysis from body slam!

[@DropeRj_Original]

Nice checking the status reduction on opponent PKM. On point!

[@TomHenksYT]

Great run! As for which other middle-stage pokemon could potentially match (or beat) Haunter, my best guess would be either Poliwhirl or Weepinbell

[@pyriel6870]

I agree with your Weepingbell prediction since Bellsprout was lower than Gastly, and Victreebell beat Gengar. But I'm not so sure about Poliwhirl because Poliwag did slightly worse than both Bellsprout and Gastly, while Poliwrath is way behind top 3 S-rank Victreebell and Gengar and its ranked near the end of A-tier. I'd give Poliwhirl mid-top B-tier and Weepingbell either just in front of Haunter at S-tier or a tad behind Haunter maybe at front of A-tier. Just my guess from Scott's tier list lol. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

[@TomHenksYT]

@@pyriel6870 I see where you're coming from, but Poliwhirl has 2 advantages over Poliwrath: it's faster, and it has Amnesia. And unlike Haunter, Poliwhirl starts with a move that's super-effective against Brock and doesn't run out of PP easily, and it gets access to Bodyslam for coverage. Poliwhirl is actually one of the top Pokemon in Jrose11's Red/Blue solo series, right on par with Nidoking, Nidoqueen and Hypno. I know Yellow is different from R/B but still I think Poliwhirl has the potential to be great.

[@pyriel6870]

@@TomHenksYT ya know what, I hadn't thought of that. Could this then be maybe one of the only times a mid stage evolution beats its final stage pokemon. You sir may well be onto something here. I am going to be quite intrigued if that's the case. Now I hope you are right about Poliwhirl lol.

[@TomHenksYT]

@@pyriel6870 Yes, I think Poliwhirl will be faster than Poliwrath. Will be interesting to see whether it can also be faster than Weepinbell, I think it'll be close between those two and I expect both of them to be really good

[@NymphieJP]

Haunter is my personal favourite Pokémon.

[@tneon9132]

Wobbuffetfact: Wobbuffets sprite looks quite depressed in silver, wich is the only game it does. Making silver objectively worse then Gold

[@Myurr]

Hey Scott, Fellow Pokemon lover and ADHD haver here! an hour or 2 before bed, have a couple of vitamin c chewables and a bunch of water. Vitamin C makes you metabolize your ADHD meds faster (which is bad during the day but great before bed) Give it a try~ Also great video, obvs Keep up the great work!

[@JimBeamFiend53]

Ah yes! The best designed ghost type pokemon! FIGHT ME!

[@SoraDonaldGoofy99]

Spiritomb getting poisoned is kinda like "He's already dead!!"

[@TJF588]

Rhyhorn, being a rhino, could Body Slam by digging its horn underneath (or through...) an opponent and flinging them up into the air.

[@bateltheassistant]

Hunter is really good as a mid stage evolution, mostly because of its growth rate ,and great access to great moves. The only thing that can stop it is hypnosis luck 😂😂. But I guess that if hypnosis was 100% accurate then the Gastly and the Drowzee lines could have been really broken .🤔 The slash strat with the champion was really brilliant. It nice to always learn more about the games that we love.😊

[@morokee3641]

I see you haven't done Electabuzz yet. Can't wait to see it vs Magmar!

[@alexandrkrupka1766]

8:00 I believe the primary reason they gave the Ghost (Gastly) line the poison type was so that it would have a weakness (i.e. Ground and Psychic). A mono-Ghost type in Gen 1 would only be weak to Ghost moves (i.e Lick). …I just wish they had the same thought process for mono-Psychics. 😭

[@RoninCatholic]

For some reason coffee helps me relax for sleep.

[@KayLoo202]

My man got a sponsor, hell yeah brother

[@desiccant]

Poliwhirl definitely for good mid stage maybe Weepinbell, Ivysaur, and Wartotle could have good times because of boosting moves.

[@jackruby6696]

I want to thank guard spec for sponsoring us at team rocket

[@ChrisZi.]

Good Job Scott :)

[@smaught_]

Gengar might be able to learn body slam because of the fact that it's a trade evolution. Just like Golem gets the lizard face from Machoke and Machamp gets a set of arms from Graveler, maybe Gengar is able to materialize thanks to stealing Kadabra's tail or something xD

[@Sweepout]

Golem was always a mystery to me because it was so hard to get cause I had no friends to trade with. I think it'll be interesting to see how that one does. The coverage of moves isnt great but it'll be interesting none the less! :)

[@Sweepout]

Also down the road with your backporting. It would be interesting to eventually backport Gen 8 Magikarp. (Where it learns bounce and hydro pump). The only way Magikarp can finish the game I'm sure really! LOL

[@n64p3]

I’m pretty simple. I see Scott upload and I click

[@brownranger1797]

@14:32 I love how you so confidently say that you have resolved your pp problems. Maybe saying "power points" could have been a better option here haha.

[@rikaniebangbang]

Mid-stage hype! I'm really excited for once we get to Poliwhirl...

[@olavjorvik94]

Oh yes! Poliwhirl is what it’s all about!😎

[@firedrake110]

Scott: "Which middle stage could compete with haunter?" I'm thinking nidorino, kadabra, maybe weepinbell? Probably not machoke or graveler, but I'm always rooting for my rocky baby boy

[@AllonBachuth]

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[@mangoschmooves]

Weepinbell is likely going to outperform haunter. Especially since I believe it gets access to growth which is an excellent stat boosting move.

[@ext93]

i will be sitting here cleaning my room until this starts. let's goooooo

[@nautgamingnautgaming9949]

Haunter in Pokémon brown n grape are ghost and gas types Koffing is poison gas Gas IS GREAT OFFENSIVE but horrible defensely It hits water, light, grass, bug n fairy super effective Light fairy n water are busted types in those games especially light n water Ironically its weak to water, electric, flying, wind n electric AND YEA they reversed bug n fairy where bug nukes fairy n fairy is not effective vs bug But they buffed poison by it hitting bug super effective

[@TheGamingCamel22]

Gengar in French is actually called Ectoplasma 😂 and Body Slam works like the opponent slamming their body against the Pokémon, kinda like wrestlers drop themselves, I think Gengar has the ability to materialize itself, that's why it can learn it, also there is a Pokedex entry that says Gengar was once human, so maybe that, and there is also the Clefable x Gengar theory 😅

[@Conklestothemax]

I think the reason Gengar can learn Body Slam but Haunter cannot is Gengar is significantly heavier and body slam gives me the vibes of using your weight to slam into the enemy

[@HighPriestFuneral]

I had always assumed the same. Tauros isn't picking up anything with its hooves after all.

[@bigkirbyhj666]

Hi speed, special, and level rate, it's getting A tier at the very least.

[@Shawnzy1]

I used a haunted in fire red . It was so good . I was bummed that I couldn’t trade for gengar . But damn haunted was so good

[@TheMoogleKing93]

In terms of good middle evos, Poliwhirl and Ivysaur come to mind.

[@2122Super]

Great work

[@Prodigial]

Who could compete with Haunter? Obvious answer is Kadabra. Alakazam and Gengar feel linked in Pokemon as they are both insanely strong special attackers, are trade evolutions, and their typings are strong against one another. Only natural that Kadabra would be the only rival to Haunter.

[@pommyadam]

until you check Kadabra (and Alazakam's) Gen1 moveset, only having Kinesis/Teleport until level 16 it'll be a STRUGGLE fest early on (although the Vaporeon team will be a nice variety because you CAN'T win the lab fight) but once you defeat Brock (because you'll be roughly level 15 or so to do it) and gets access to Confusion? should be easy from there

[@NativeGolfer10]

The big question for me is how fast do you think the line could go there wasn’t a PP restriction on the Gastly line?

[@lamiaprincess6371]

Truly, many things are capable through the power of Hypnosis. What a really strong time. I will say it's always been something I've disagreed with when it comes to Evasion boosting moves. I think the case is a lot better in Generation I when Evasion boosting moves badge boost you, because that fixes one of the primary problems when it comes to Evasion boosting moves: it's not a consistent strategy, nor is it a particularly fast one. Using Evasion boosting moves as a means to bypass training means you're trading bulk and power and leaving open more chances to lose the fights you want to use Evasion to get by. In Gen I, the badge boost mostly solves this issue, but in later Gens, I truly do not believe stacking Evasion is actually a good strategy. However, I think like Hypnosis, intelligent use of Evasion boosting moves can be a worthwhile strategy to investigate. It's something I used in my Ralts solo of Emerald against the Carvanha trainers because there wasn't really an alternative strategy that made sense, but sometimes using an Evasion boosting move once or twice limits the risk involved but just nudges the fight more in your favor. At the end of the day...if Evasion was really as good as the casual opinion of it is, it would be used a lot more in actual speedruns. There's just good evidence to point that Evasion stacking isn't fast. But! It's your channel and I'm obviously coming at it from a slightly different perspective. I really enjoy the essence of the challenge without the content side factored in (I watch speedrunners do streams. You can only make doing 25 attempts at Silent Hill 3 so interesting on its own), so I understand making choices that factor in the quality of the content more.

[@levy9595]

It makes basically any battle at least theoretically possible, even at extremely low levels, but when the main objective in the run is to go fast, it's honestly very very rarely optimal. Spamming a fight 10-15 times to get the double team luck you need will just take too long, and if the mon is particularly weak and/or under-leveled, you'll have to repeat that process again and again.

[@lilchizzy9783]

woohoo!! a mon from this gen!!

[@MrVelyx]

I think the factor behind Bodyslam is mass. Maybe Gengar is espiacially dense

[@Lockirby2]

MewOnePointFive, the middle evolution between Mew and Mewtwo, could definitely beat Haunter.

[@johntarver5684]

Been waiting on this one!

[@lancenorman7548]

after yellow is done you should do a evolve line where you take a Pokemon like starter and play with it as a line let it evolve and see the time difference to other list stones and trade would be based on when you want for best run. it be interesting to see how the list change etc. from having done just one stage of Pokemon through the whole run.

[@witthyhumpleton3514]

I believed Scott had been cured by now, but I don't think I've ever seen a rebound this strong. Don't do sleeping drugs kids. Edit. Oh lord, I just remembered the sponsor of the video. Now I know what happened.

[@jockperkins6632]

Congrats on teh sponsor Scott :D

[@pommyadam]

Scott's playstyle: Hypnosis spam and miss 5 turns, or 2 turns of Psychic/Thunderbolt for a KO? nup, Hypnosis is the only answer, gotta spam it literally the "sunk cost fallacy" in action

[@pommyadam]

also what midstage can compete with Haunter for S-tier status? well given it's first stage is comparable with Gastly, and it's final evo competes with Gengar... uhhh Weepinbell? although would be interesting to see a Nidoran F vs Nidoran M first just to throw those times also think Kadabra (and eventually Alazakam) would go pretty close - nope, Gen1 move jank (and no actual moves until level 16 when it learns confusion) means the opening is a struggle fest would be a decent "backport" given that they both know confusion from the start in future gens (how much does Kadabra/Alazakam improve if it was "Gen 2'd" and given Confusion as a starting move?)

[@Sol-Butkis]

What kind of medd do you take? I used to have that problem but then I started smoking something to help actually reach a deep sleep

[@Smileyrat]

Nice video. I think haunter was creeper with 4 fingers.

[@victoriancu5661]

It feels silly for the developers to add the poison typing to the ghosts just to avoid poison when they could have easily just added that property to the ghost type. However it’s possible with the amount of crunch both time-wise, and to hit the whole game on an 8mb cartridge.

[@SmashMath151]

Obligatory complaint about Hypnosis! Just kidding, it was essential for several key battles. Quite similar to Gengar, just slightly worse, which still makes it really good overall! Pretty sure Gastly can get sub-50 with a few attempts.

[@bethbengoa5665]

As far as who can compete with Haunter I’d have to think either Poliwhirl or Weepinbell

[@LordViran]

For middle evolutions, I don't see any of them beating Haunter, but the closest contenders are probably Poliwhirl and Weepinbell. Gloom ain't it and Kadabra would've had a shot if this were Red and Blue, but Yellow knocks confusion off its default moveset for some reason so it's struggling until level 16.

[@FootballSeven77]

Love one punch man rankings ❤🔥🔥