Have EV sales crashed? The truth about electric car sales in the UK.

[@GoGreenAutos]

20% of all EVs sold in December were Tesla Model 3/Y. Many comments below are about the stock piling and pre-registering of vehicles so that manufacturers could lower the fines for not hitting the ZEV mandate. It was announced a few days ago that the rules are being changed or relaxed and possibly the Government aren't going to enforce the penalties this year. However, it has also been announced today (10th Jan) that Stallantis did achieve their ZEV target, see cardealermagazine.co.uk/publish/stellantis-meets-zev-mandate-targets-as-lobbyists-insist-legislation-is-working/311472

[@GoGreenAutos]

They do. Tesla have a new ship full arrive from either Germany or China every 3 weeks or so and they all sell.

[@marcus.H]

The oil companies do not fear electric cars. Global demand for oil is actually growing and forecast to continue to increase for decades as developing economies thrive and grow around the world.

[@GaryV-p3h]

In 2024, 381,970 fully electric cars were sold in the UK, which was a 21.4% increase from 2023. This made up 19.6% of all new car registrations, which was the highest proportion ever recorded.

[@JorgeniLund]

In Scandinavia the most popular powertrain for new cars is the BEV. In Norway an staggering 89% are new BEV, in Denmark 51% and in Sweden 34%. Pure petrol or diesel cars are down in sales. I believe we will see the same trend in all other countries as well.

[@GoGreenAutos]

But EVs don't work in the winter!

[@judebrown4103]

​@@GoGreenAutos😂

[@malcolmfowler8972]

It will be interesting to see what effect Elon's twitter rants have on Tesla sales? I know a few EV drivers who were considering a Tesla but have been put off by the antics of Musk.

[@GoGreenAutos]

Yes that is having some effect in the UK. I think it's wrong that the press report it and makes such a big think about someones comments on social media. It should only be seen by the followers, just like these comments here.

[@FirstDan2000]

Journalists would have nothing to write about without twitter. Its given too much importance. Its kust a forum.

[@judebrown4103]

​@@GoGreenAutosin the case of Musk's Twits we should all pay very careful attention, he's a very dangerous man... I have never Tweeted and certainly wouldn't now but I am alert to news of what he's up to...which reading between the lines is world domination!!

[@PJWey]

@@GoGreenAutos I'm not sure who the CEO of SAIC/MG is, can anyone confirm? I just want to check that he/she has the "right" views before I continue driving...

[@timoliver8940]

-8C here this morning and on my street the sounds of cars getting warmed up is silence - they are mostly electric cars pre-conditioning making next to no noise and not emitting any toxic fumes. The one diesel engined car is very notable by the racket it’s cold engine is making, the clouds of toxic exhaust it’s emitting and the sounds of ice being scraped off its frozen windows…………..

[@crm114.]

The largest car market in the world (China) has all but transitioned to EVs. The rest of the world will follow, it’s only a matter of time.

[@GoGreenAutos]

Yes. Most in the West don't realise how much China has changed and progressed.

[@michaelgodbold6247]

But why would any idiot want a milk float??

[@geoffmorris1769]

The problem is we have publications like "The Times", Mail", ""Telegraph", basically the right wing press not averse to telling complete and utter lies about EVs. I have an EV as does my wife. We are fortunate to have driveway charging and I quite see why people not so fortunate to have drives don't buy an EV. Public rapid charging is ridiculously expensive but availability of Public charging is massively improved and I don't have range anxiety any more. Some areas of the country like the NE, Yorkshire and Wales do however need a kick up the arse to install more chargers. It costs very little for me to charge my car at home, helped by solar panels. There is no way would I ever go back to petrol/diesel. An EV is massively efficient and cheap to run. An ICE car is hugely inefficient and costly..

[@GoGreenAutos]

Yes, if you can't charge at home or work, then charging an EV is a bit of a pain and is about the same cost as running an ICE vehicle. However, if a company car, the tax savings might make it worth the effort and many do also just because they don't want a poison emitted machine. The whole thing about air quality seems to have gotten lost.

[@stuartburns8657]

Ah, another I'd never go back home charging beneficiary. 1st and 2nd quarter EV sales for private in the UK will be quite telling. If your ice gets 40+ mpg, even at the zapmap 57p avg for slow and fast chargers, you are no better off. Factor in the rapid and ultra rapid avg of 75p and you are significantly out of pocket per fill. What makes me chuckle, is a huge portion of now private EV owners, were the ones with 2 litre plus status symbols, now exhorting the virtues of EV savings. All the while, at least 40% of the UK can't take advantage, and it's those who can least afford it who need to benefit the most! The same less affluent ice owners, who typically need to buy a more mpg friendly car, unlike the ex gas guzzling EV preaching brigade. Oh the irony. In the next 6 months you'll see a winding back of EV mandates and Net Zero.

[@andrewhill9369]

@@stuartburns8657I agree with this. Mind you, ‘horses for courses’, if an EV works for you, fine. If it is a company car (fleet) and works from a tax point of view, great. Personally, I’m sticking to the 2 litre ICE you refer to as it does everything well. When I find an EV that is fit for purpose for my needs I might add it to the shortlist. However, it’s clear that in the UK currently, the popular choice of the majority is petrol. Why is this I wonder?

[@nicholas5281]

I don't want a EV. Does that make me right wing?

[@stuartburns8657]

@@andrewhill9369 Absolutely. I know several EV owners who are close friends. They all were former low mpg prestigious car owners, who swapped. All like the decent performance, and all enjoying the lower running costs, in particular as they still do a good amount of annual mileage. They rarely need to use public charging, but occasionally do so at motorway filling stations or super chargers etc. EV's are a great technological innovation. I just struggle to see how the millions and millions of lower income ice owners, will benefit. In no reasonable timeline will the likes of street charging and or equivocal fueling costs be available for them. Imagine if pre-EV, those with driveways paid 30p for a litre of fuel (when they went to the same petrol station) but those without still paid £1.40p litre etc. There would be uproar. Obviously the wider ecological benefits help us all. However, having halved the UK's emissions since 1990 level, it feels like cost to benefit impact is really scrapping marrow now. Let's see what 2025 brings, and labour have brought back the 2030 ice ban. Political suicide 🤔 That will depend on if manufacturers continue their decline and if it drives up private EV sales. I think if they'd have left the perks for EV's for a few more years, that would have helped those on the verge of converting perhaps. Kudos 👏👍 to the channel owner though. He's not one of the nearly exclusively blinkered EV owners, blinded by his own favourable circumstances

[@panzerfaust1]

Having brought in to EV ownership 3 years ago - how things have changed in that time, no free charging at Tescos, dramatic increase in public charging etc etc, and dire used values. Would I revert to ICE car no way, but the total collapse of used EV’s value means that I trapped with my current car, my investment of £30k is now worth £10k max, and that will get worse as my car can’t complete with the newer longer range models being sold. Feel a bit short changed by the situation, but that’s life.

[@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270]

No car is an investment, it's a tool to do a job. I probably paid over the odds for my Kia e-Niro in 2019 but in 50 years of motoring it has been the cheapest to run, most reliable and worry free car I've ever had. I live in France and covered all my 18,500 km of driving last year from the solar panels on my roof spending €219 on public charging for the whole year when on long hauls.With so many fewer moving parts to worry about I may well make this my last car and run it until I shuffle off...114,000 km so far an no signs of range loss at all.

[@JohnDunkley]

I'm glad the prices for used cars are low, that makes it affordable for me to buy one. Definitely would be an EV

[@loulou53137]

​@@JohnDunkley I doubt I would of afforded mine if they weren't so low. It's by far the best car I ever owned.

[@GoGreenAutos]

Depreciation is a problem and the FUD and negativity is largely the cause as there's not enough private buyers for the used vehicles coming off their initial finance. There's plenty of new buyers as the low benefit in kind is fuelling the EV market with company car drivers. When in any crowd and EVs are mentioned, the majority of people are negative and start spouting off about fires, too heavy for the roads etc etc. All the rubbish that has been printed has caused a huge proportion of the population to dismiss the idea of getting an EV and for many it might take ~10 years for them to change their mind.

[@panzerfaust1]

@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 Agree no car is an investment, the point I was trying to make is that things are moving so fast battery capacity and tech that what was the norm very quickly can become out of date leaving those new to the game with something they probably financially need to hold onto longer than planned. With hindsight I should have either delayed the move to an EV and taken advantage of the bargains to be had now in the UK (needed a crystal ball!) OR brought a second hand Tesla which seem to be holding up better… Compared to previous ownership every 3 years I would have been able to trade up to a new ICE car with a good value contribution from my current car, unfortunately not the same now. Why would I change if I could, one factor - range.

[@x5toledo]

December dumping of EVs doesn't represent either the year or any particular trend, so best not to focus on the single month. EVs are just short of 20% share for 2024 and it's possible that getting much above this will be a stretch for 2025 unless the adoption limiting factors are addressed (high new prices, extortionate public charge costs, lack of chargers, increasingly unreliable/uncertain energy supplies, etc.) The early adopter UK market segment is saturated: to succeed in the majority market needs more structural effort than is present in the UK. At the end of the day customers will make purchase decisions based on economics and EVs costing more to buy and run than petrol/diesel/hybrid are a hard sell for a large proportion of the marketplace.

[@Nikoo033]

All manufacturers have reached the ZEV mandate this year, very few had to resort to green credits. Look at the number of EVs on the roads in the UK (SMMT of DfT figures), it’s still going exponentially, EVs now representing 5% of the UK fleet. There’s no lack of chargers, there are now more charging connectors than fossil fuel pumps. Not to mention that 60% of people can charge at home, and over 80% of current EV drivers do so. There’s no unreliability of electricity supply. Even though almost half of our annual electricity is produced by renewables. Plenty EVs with 150-200 miles range on the used market for £8000-£15000. EVs cost 35%-50% less to run annually (all included) compared to a petrol/diesel car, even if you charge only on public infrastructure. Like for any car, the important bit is to have an efficient EV: mine does ~195 mpg equivalent, at 7-9p/mile. 😉

[@toyotaprius79]

Anything thatthe Telegraph, Sun or Mirror wants you to believe, be sure to assume their interests are suspect

[@albertclangence1342]

It will be like electronics, the majority will be made in China at the cost of European car manufactures going bust. We cannot compete with this we lack the cheap, coal fired electricity and raw materials that China have in abundance.

[@GoGreenAutos]

The Chinese electricity grid has a higher percentage of renewable generated energy than the UK. Coal is still at 50%, but reducing as they're adding a huge amount of renewables. But yes, China had the foresight and now dominates in raw materials.

[@albertclangence1342]

@@GoGreenAutos they still have a huge advantage with the amount of coal fired energy they have, your answer does not address my point.

[@LICHINHO]

@@albertclangence1342 The advantage has nothing to do with coal. Solar and wind are now significantly cheaper than coal. The advantage stems from heavy investing, planning, cheaper and more qualified labour, innovation. China is way ahead in technology, and Europe is stagnant technologically, and under the load of a crippling regulatory regime.

[@curious_sausage]

@@albertclangence1342 Has Britain not had that 'advantage' for decades during the 70ies, 80ies, 90ies, and 00s?

[@albertclangence1342]

@@curious_sausage so you think that we should bankrupt ourselves now then? Admittedly our governments have done a pretty good job of wrecking things over those decades but it's time to stop.

[@mk1photography62]

TBH we are fed a lot of rubbish all the time and you are totally correct. I drive an EGolf 140 in summer 110 in winter. I dont work but if I did it's easily a commuter car to my last job. The mainstream media have brainwashed so many people. " I won't get an EV the batteries fail" " I need an EV to do 400 miles" An on it goes. One of my friends is in the Daily Fail camp and always spouts this nonsense

[@GoGreenAutos]

Yep, it's all nonsense. But it's worked and will take a decade or more for many to change their mind.

[@briangriffiths114]

I live in central Scotland and EVs are now very commonplace, despite what the media would have us believe. Good for you calling them out.

[@FFVoyager]

I bought a used EV nearly 4 years ago and I used to park and never see another EV around me - now it's really not unusual to go to the supermarket and park next to another electric car!

[@brianduggan9752]

Just remember that registrations do not equal sales - how many pre-registered BEVs are at dealers or held at the importers fleet - these are not true sales, no one is actually driving these cars. 2025 is going to be very interesting as the industry cannot keep producing cars that real people are not buying and using. By the way, I have a Citroen E-C4 and think it's great. I can charge it at home at a cheap off-peak rate and only use the car for relatively short journeys. I have a petrol car for the longer stuff but then I am one of the lucky ones. Even with a heat pump the Citroen struggles to get 3 m/Kwh just cruising on the motorway at this time of year so a range of about 140 miles on a full charge and if you are prepared to run the battery down to nearly zero. Realistically you are not going to travel much further than 100 miles before finding a charger. Worse still if you stick to the recommended maximum charge of 80% and don't drop lower than 20% (that's what is supposed to keep the battery in good health and last a long time). Reasonably priced BEVs (i.e. under £40,000) are fine if your usage fits and you can get cheap electricity and you buy at the right price. The CAP value of my 2 year old Citroen is considerably less than the final PCP payment required at the end of my 4 year agreement. I have no sensible option other than to keep the car for the full term and then hand it back, letting the finance company take the massive hit on depreciation. That's another situation that can't continue.

[@Lewis_Standing]

There's more pre registered petrol and diesels for sale on auto trader than EVs though.

[@GoGreenAutos]

The pre-reg thing isn't as big as some make out. It's always been done by dealers at the end of a quarter to help them achieve targets as that boosts their income. 20% of all EVs sold in December where Teslas where this isn't done and they sell everything and have new ship fulls delivered from Germany & China every 3-4 weeks. But yes, I would agree with the other manufacturers, there would be some pre-reg'ing to meet dealer targets and maybe help from the manufacturers due to the ZEV mandate fines. But dealers have to buy the stock and they finance this so they're not doing this on mass. Manufacturers have been delaying ICE shipments until the new year to but again this all sorts itself out over the next quarter, so ends up having little effect. Same as pre-reg stock, a few days later you start a new quarter and it all starts again, so it sorts itself out.

[@timoliver8940]

And 3miles per kWh in your Citroen is still 120 mpgE , I bet your petrol car is struggling to get 30mpg in the current cold weather……..

[@GaryV-p3h]

You really want yo get out more often, then you'll see how many people are driving EVs these days.

[@Nikoo033]

The only reason why you don’t want to RAPID charge more than 80% is because the charging power drops after that to protect the battery. So it would take too long to continue to charge to 100%. When you charge at home, you can charge to 100% without issues. And on your Citroen e-C4 and recent EVs, even 2016 Hyundai Ioniq, you can go as low as you want. It’s not going to “damage” the battery in any meaningful way. What you need is just not leave it too low for too long or at 100% for too long. Regarding the density of rapid chargers in the UK, you can certainly find them more frequently now than just every 100 miles. Look at ZapMap, they’re basically everywhere nowadays.😅

[@Checker63]

I'm interest to see the figures for January and February to see if the reports were correct regarding the delivery delays of ICE cars in November and December and what percentage of ICE / BEV are in Jan /Feb. I'm not against ICE or BEV. Each have their own benefits and drawbacks. However, I am against any government that forces decisions upon the people they are supposed to SERVE. That's not a democracy.

[@RuislipResident-v7p]

I am fine with the govt forcing people not to poison me.

[@GoGreenAutos]

December (and July/Aug) is traditionally quiet in the motor trade as people have other things to spend their money on. I guess this is changing now as people lease new cars now, so don't have the huge financial outlay. So traditionally, Jan & Feb would see higher sales figures. But I doubt this delaying of ICE vehicles is as big as people are making out.

[@dennisharvey4499]

Nice to get an analysis of published figures which I would have missed. I also suspect that fossil fuel companies are doing everything they can to maintain their sales regardless of whether it is bad for our atmosphere.

[@GaryV-p3h]

The first and most important lesson to learn here is never believe anything written in the Daily Express, Daily Mail or the Sun, on any subject whatsoever.

[@keithgeorge7338]

I’m wondering how these figures can be correct. Tesla must be selling 100%?

[@GoGreenAutos]

They do

[@neilmorton3429]

The ev mandate has a lot to answer for, i bought an EV privately, it has a major fault, drive shaft excitations, because manufacturers/dealers are loosing money they wont fix it, as a result i have a £27 grand car on the drive thats unusable, for me we sacrificed buying a house and bought a car, unacceptable even if your an evangelist. You tubers like geoff and macmaster are telling the truth, in fact i bought an electric car watching macmasters videos

[@GoGreenAutos]

Tell me more. What car are you having problems with?

[@neilmorton3429]

@GoGreenAutos MG xpower it was sold with the issue

[@stuartburns8657]

EV sales for private are struggling. They are simpky running out of affluent driveway owners who are interested. The 2025 EV perk removal, and the costly two-tier pricing for those who cannot home charge, means they make very little financial sense, especially if you get 40+ mpg. Yes, we still own and run 2 x paid off diesels. No, I don't hate EV's. They are a great technology, but only work for a certain better off demographic. Before you EV's owners respond, ask yourself if you or any if your EV owning friends CAN'T charge at home, or via somekind of work based destination charging, free or subsidised by the business?

[@st-ex8506]

That's the problem. More affluent customers can afford the better, overall cheaper products, and the poor are stuck with expensive junk, because that junk has a lower sticker price. Or, perhaps, should these people start counting and thinking... or the other was around! I know the case of a guy, here in France, who is earning the French SMIC (minimum wage), and despise that could count, and replaced his Renault Clio with a second-hand Model S... because the Tesla cost him less money! But you are correct that not been able to charge, neither at home nor at work, is still a serious barrier! But, having said this, the number of urban charging places is increasing exponentially! My little village of 900 has even installed two 22kW chargers... not that anyone needs it here, as everybody owns their own house, despite the place being economically most modest!

[@GoGreenAutos]

I agree. If you can't charge at home or work, then you need to be sure you know what you're up against with public charging and the cost, which is about the same as ICE). But many do because they're not driving an EV for cheaper running costs.

[@Lewis_Standing]

There's millions of people with drives without an EV

[@stuartburns8657]

@@GoGreenAutos I know 3 EV owners quite closely, and through them they must know a further 6. When asked, any eco benefits where a secondary fringe benefits, with ££'s 1st by a clear mile. Not saying said ppl don't exist, but the are in the majority of owners based on my feed back and conversations

[@st-ex8506]

@@GoGreenAutos Hem... while not being able to charge neither at home nor at work makes things somewhat more complicated... that much is true... it does NOT make them as costly as ICE: - my Tesla Model 3 LR charged at home: = 176 Wh/km * 0.1296 €/kWh / 0.89 (11 % charging loss) = 2.56 euro centime per km - my Tesla Model 3 LR charged at an average French supercharger: = 176 Wh/km * 0.35 €/kWh = 6.16 € centime/km - my BMW 320i, which the Tesla replaced, and which is a most comparable car: 9.5 liter of petrol/100km * 1.72 €/l = 16.3 euro centime per km!!!

[@johnfranklin6394]

The numbers no doubt can be challenged, but asking Bing Copilot I got this for battery EV sales, not including hybrids, in the UK for 2023 and 2024: 2023: 238,544 BEVs sold 2024: 381,970 BEVs sold So, an increase of 60% year on year.

[@davelocktalk]

I bought my ev last year, I will never go back to a fossil fuel car! There rubbish compared to my ev that is a delight to drive.

[@GoGreenAutos]

Yep and the majority of owners are the same. For a car, electric propulsion is better.

[@andrewhill9369]

‘They are’ (not ‘there’). Just to give credibility to your post.

[@Checker63]

Good to read that you only charge from home solar and your own wind turbine and don't use any energy from the grid

[@davelocktalk]

@Checker63 yeah public charging is far to expensive, the government need to step in and get them to lower there charges 75p per klw is ridiculous! Should be no more that 40p per klw.

[@andrewhill9369]

@@davelocktalk ‘their’ not ‘there’ (in this case). Oh and it’s ‘too’ expensive, not ‘to’ expensive.

[@Lesjaye]

Nice to hear a positive note about ev’s. Not heard a positive comment from people since I’ve owned mine. Just seems to be a ridicule about range & catching fire. The day I got my EV my friend said “ whoooo, you want to watch it doesn’t catch fire you know”,….Then parks next to it!!! How do I watch my car doesn’t catch fire? When I’d had it 3yrs they were saying it’ll be about time for a new battery then! I bought an EV because I wanted an electric car more than it being a green thing. The only disappointment I’ve had is the lack of infrastructure & rapid charger maintenance & cable theft. Infrastructure is improving but, Cable theft is rife in the midlands especially from 250kw+ chargers with thick copper conduits. I don’t know what can be done about this. Thankfully I can charge at home.

[@GoGreenAutos]

Yes the EV naivety (probably not the right word) is exhausting! As for the cable theft, I've not come across this myself yet, but I've seen plenty of examples on Facebook. The scrap metal merchants need to be clamped down on. They're buying the copper and know what it is.

[@miraclemile6567]

Researching an owning electric cars since 2020 has really opened my eyes to the establishment, media and politicians in this country. When I started reading and seeing blatant lies about electric cars, i also started to notice more and more lies about all kinds of subjects, its quite shocking to me how they get away with it.

[@GoGreenAutos]

But so many have believed it all and it's caused so much hatred towards EVs. Yet they're just cars!

[@tedted5767]

Are these sales or registrations.

[@GoGreenAutos]

Registrations. I suspect some traditional dealers will be doing some pre-reg at year end. But the bulk of EV sales are Tesla and they sell everything, with new boat loads arriving every 3-4 weeks.

[@NealPalmer-x9e]

Moving from one limited fuel source to another and one where China has a monopoly on the raw materials doesn’t sound like a great move. Never put all your eggs in one basket. EV’s should be part of a mix and then let the markets decide.

[@GoGreenAutos]

But the minerals in a battery pack can be recycled over and over again...well indefinitely. Unlike petrol and diesel which is burned once and then the emissions left in the atmosphere. Just look at Redwood Materials who are recycling 95% from lithium ion batteries from vehicles, phones, tools, computers etc.

[@NealPalmer-x9e]

Only 1% of lithium is recycled at the moment from total production it’s also energy intensive to extract. I’m not saying it shouldn’t be done of course. Just pushing another technology where we’re reliant on yet another dictator for the materials isn’t wise. A more holistic approach with competing technologies and also look at other areas. Surely changing things like the length of lease deals from 3 to 5 years would have a bigger impact on global co2 as we make less vehicles in total. Make things in the country rather than shipping them around the world on massive ships or planes another. All we’re doing is passing the problems elsewhere and overall co2 is still increasing. Also remember it’s not just lithium, demand for copper for the cables, concrete for the wind turbines, additional tires as EV eat more of them, reducing the amount of plastic made. It just seems there hasn’t been sufficient impact assessments under taken and all options explored. EVs aren’t a silver bullet fix for all the problems.

[@PaulRose-l4p]

@@GoGreenAutos .It is true that Redwood Materials (and other companies) recycle most of the battery but have you seen the energy required and the toxic mix of chemicals require to extract the varius materials. This is made worse with all the different chemistries in different batteries requiring slightly differnt extraction chemicals. At the moment recycling is, realistically, not an cost effective/environmentally friendly option.

[@johngoff8923]

And then there is reality as a pensioner I can’t charge at home and can’t afford silly money that most EV costs especially to get maybe 180 miles costing around £80 on good knows how many apps means I need a new phone too, so will keep secondhand my 5 year old petrol that does around 470 and takes just 5 mins to fill up. Your problem people don’t hate EV’s they hate being to,d how to live there lives, rather than forcing people into them let people have the choice and make the transition when it works for them and let’s be honest doesn’t matter how manyEV’s in the uk will make no difference to uk carbon emissions or global warming!

[@GoGreenAutos]

Yes, if you can't charge from home or work, then an EV isn't for you yet. The whole app thing has been an issue but has widely gone now. You can still use apps at chargers, but it's optional. As for the carbon and global warming, it will make a difference, but that is not why we have EVs. That's one of the big issues is that the messaging has become skewed. EVs were always about tail pipe emissions. Not for the planet, but for the air we breathe. Of course, they have added benefits in that they also have a significantly lower lifetime carbon footprint and better for the planet. But its often forgotten how poisonous exhaust gases are. A friend of mine even tried to end it with a hose pipe into his car. Luckily he was found in time, so survived. So the whole EVs are green messaging has got skewed. Yes EVs are greener than ICE cars, but no car is green.

[@iblack585]

I wouldn't own an EV if I couldn't charge at home, on that I agree with you. Otherwise I think you are wrong. Ofcourse converting to EVs willreduce carbon emissions, itis illogical to suggest it won't. As to forcing people to make a change, why not when the alternative is a climate catastrophe? That said, who is forcing you to buy an EV?

[@johngoff8923]

@ climate catastrophe, who said that, we are coming out of an ice age, the planet will warn up, but do you really believe digging up the planet 3 times faster than we have in the last 150 in the name of the Renewable Profit Scam will help especially when in the uk we do not have renewable energy and most EV’s do short journeys but design, they will never pay back the carbon deficit before they are replaced every 2-3 years. Don’t believe all you are told, do your own research and find out fir yourself !

[@gillb2268]

plenty of low mileage EVs for sale on Auto Trader, some 2023 brand new models

[@LunchSays]

yes. how many owners? Bought 2/3 yrs ago. reg this yr. sat around for years doing nothing. dodgy

[@gillb2268]

@@LunchSays yes, I wonder how many bot comments there are on this site?

[@LunchSays]

@@gillb2268 aye. was lookin 4 a ev. some have been on sale 4 over 3 and 400 days. with some owners havin a ev 4 a month or so. Itz going 2 be a big year this year. i'll keep my lpg suv. 4 now.

[@rebelliousfighter7075]

If you do not have a home charger than don’t get ev, you will pay more to charge your car compare to patrol, also prepare yourself to queue up at a charging dock., also from ist April you will be paying road tax and if you live in London congestion charge exemption will be abolished so add £15 a day driving in central London!

[@smithleon]

I wouldn't say don't get one, but i'd definitely agree that you need to do your research. You can get subscriptions for public charging networks that take prices down to a very reasonable level. For example non-Tesla drivers can now charge at some Superchargers for under 40p kWh and with an EV invariably getting 4+miles per kWh, thats cheaper than most petrol or diesel cars and arguably much nicer to drive. I've been driving a Tesla for 18 months and i've never needed to queue, not even nearly, and these days you rarely see queues at the non-Tesla chargers either - they are being deployed so fast. Arguably all cars should be paying congestion charge and road tax so no arguments from me there.

[@conradmilson6654]

They are crap and I have one. In the winter just leave it on the driveway and take the normal car. Waste of time keep charging it up. And it's the top of the range EV

[@smithleon]

I don't get this. I see the complete opposite. One of the biggest benefits of an EV for me is winter driving!! You press a button in an app (or simply set a regular automatic schedule) and by the time you walk out to your car, its completely defrosted and the cabin is toasty warm to drive away.....it's a game-changer. Not to mention that when I'm sat in the car waiting for kids to finish sports etc, its nice and warm the whole time without any engine running......which is the same in the summer with the AC on. It's a huge benefit I never really considered before having one.

[@GoGreenAutos]

I agree. EVs are so much better in the winter with pre-conditioning, remote control via an app, heated seats and steering wheel, no fumes, safely defrost while the car remains locked. They're great in the winter. It's just less range but I'd extremely rarely use a whole battery in a day.

[@robbietighe6577]

It's obvious this is complete bullshit. No EV owner would ever say this.

[@markrozee]

EV's are amazing and the future, whatever the Daily Mail says😂

[@jjgermancarsdontsignal7746]

Iv'e just bought a 2022 e c4 and love it.I think one of the most disappointing aspects of ev ownership are the upcoming VED rates.From April I will have to pay £195 which is the same as my wife pays in a deisel Qashqai.I am more than happy to Pay tax on my ev but surely as an incentive to try and get more people off dirty combustion powered vehicles we should be paying less.In the future I think VED rates on ev's should be weight related as a fair way of taxation.

[@GoGreenAutos]

I've got a new video waiting on the channel about taxation in an electric future. It will go live in 2 weeks time.

[@michaelmcnally2331]

it because the treasury is losing too much in tax. Same as why they keep tinkering. All them 99unit emissions disappeared once the VED changed and they no longer were exempt. If you want to get me out of my ICE then need to find a way that from my first floor flat I could charge an EV in my designated driving bay which is the other side of the road. Something like a govt scheme where the owner will pay the “standard” charger installation fee where essentially they can do a straight forward run through building to a charge point, and any upgrade of the Home electric and then the govt scheme pays for the extra expense to get to the parking space. I frequently ask people on channels when they say they just bought a new EV and is great and charging so easy if they would have changed to EV if couldn’t home charge overnight in usual parking space. So far everyone has said that they would not. There are 130+ homes in my road. 2 of which have drives, there is 1 EV in the road at one of he homes that has a drive and they had the charger fitted. The ability to get home charging done is the biggest incentive that can be done. Dave takes it on did some coatings and if a person mainly reliant on public supercharging then it is cheaper to remain on Petrol with modern ICE. My Austral is currently on 55.8MPG real world figure. There is even an authorised Tesla repair about 30mph away. If could home charge then my austral last year would have been a Tesla Model Y LR. 90-95% of journeys could do there and back without topping up, and trips to Scotland wouldn’t be an issue as have to stop for food, drink, restroom, before run out of charge. The services always had available chargers when call in so never see that as a problem. My issue is that local charging is 44p at Tesco and limited to 3 hours. According to smart home charge who then is 10 1/2 hours to charge it up fully. So several trips with 10min walk each way, or drive to edge of town to supercharger at 79 or 54 if will go between 10pm and 6am. However 10 min drive and hang around for 30 minutes. Dave takes it on acknowledges that yep, EV doesn’t make sense for me. However if could home charge then that transforms and makes sense to do so.

[@michaelgodbold6247]

What you deliberately you deliberately forgot mention only 19.6% of new car sales where milk floats despite thousand of then being pre registered a d nobody could by a proper car in November and December . That whent well

[@stephenbusby3521]

What’s a milk float? You must be Ancient 😂

[@stephencollins7714]

Couple of thoughts; Company buyers are still propping up the EV market due to artificial and misguided tax breaks. A lot more needs to be done to attract private buyers and it needs to be done quickly. A combination of pre-registrations and slowing the supply of ICE vehicles was still not enough to hit the governments unrealistic and draconian targets. I want to see EV’s succeed but because people can afford them, because they are viable and because it is through choice and not misguided legislation. It is no wonder EV’s have mostly been targeted at the luxury end of the market with companies buying them but we are paying for this ultimately through goods and services plus lost BIK revenue so nobody is really winning atm.

[@GoGreenAutos]

With new EVs now at £15K and due to the drop in battery costs, EVs are on pretty much on price parity with ICE and it wont be long until ICE cost ends up costing more to produce then EV. The pre-reg thing isn't as big as some make out. It's always been done by dealers at the end of a quarter to help them achieve targets as that boosts their income. 20% of all EVs sold in December where Teslas where this isn't done and they sell everything and have new ship fulls delivered from Germany & China every 3-4 weeks. But yes, I would agree with the other manufacturers, there would be some pre-reg'ing to meet dealer targets and maybe help from the manufacturers due to the ZEV mandate fines. But dealers have to buy the stock and they finance this so they're not doing this on mass. Manufacturers have been delaying ICE shipments until the new year to but again this all sorts itself out over the next quarter, so ends up having little effect.

[@stephencollins7714]

@ thanks for the reply, whilst I agree that there are finally some more affordable EV’s coming to market, the choices are limited and the performance is not exactly stellar. This will of course continue to improve but part of the issue is that with the pace and extent of improvement, used EV’s are struggling too as there is still a perception that they will become obsolete much faster than an ICE so even at 50% discount vs new, they are still unattractive. Also where is the electric fiesta, A1, Polo, A-Class, 1 Series etc, still limited choice for city cars.

[@Xxj-y1n]

Dealers do not pre-register cars in December from choice they would be stupid to do so. It's been done as damage limitation because of the governments net zero madness and it cannot continue for obvious reasons. As for subsidising EVs that is unacceptable given the government is pushing us into a recession and will have to increase borrowing and reduce public spending. Your business is selling EVs I believe and of course you want to push your business.

[@mauricewatts2380]

It's my belief that company buyers have proped up sales of family sized cars for years . Remember Sierra man.

[@TheTrinitygroup]

Model Y with 12 months free supercharging that’s what I got 👌

[@grahamcastle8189]

Well done, truth and balance is hard to find these days. Spread the truth about EVs not FUD.

[@GoGreenAutos]

FUD gets more clicks though!

[@dalroth10]

Very eloquently, calmly and accurately put! The great frustration is the complete lack of any mainstream media outlets being prepared to broadcast the truth about EV take-up and benefits to both individuals and the climate. I moved to an EV in 2021 and have no intention of ever going back to an ICE vehicle.

[@GoGreenAutos]

Thank you.

[@stuartburns8657]

And yet you have a driveway, and reap the benefits of 4-5 times cheaper than the 57p public charger avg, the convenience and reliability it offers. Those EV rose tinted glasses eh? Do you even understand why if you can't home charge, why EV's are not a compelling proposition?

[@ar6904]

@@stuartburns8657Yep you’re right. I bought one because of a huge increase in my commute and needed to look at costs in detail. If I could not charge at home this just would not work. UK needs to be like Norway which provides ample free chargers for people so everyone can benefit.

[@stuartburns8657]

@ar6904 Norway is the exception that proves the rule. Their incentives were the equivalent of 2% of gdp. They have the sovereign wealth fund (ironically derived from fossil fuel) and a much smaller population than most other countries. And until recently, cheap electricity. On average, a large new ICE vehicle would be subject to $27,000 in various taxes and an equivalent EV would pay none. Electric vehicles were also exempt from any road or ferry tolls, were allowed to use bus lanes, were offered free parking and charging in municipal areas, and had “charging rights” in apartment buildings. Although Norway rolled back some of these subsidies starting in 2017, an Oslo resident can still expect EV benefits that total $8,000 annually. Norway can do this in part because they have the largest sovereign wealth fund in the world, made possible by revenue generated by their oil and gas production. The fund is approaching $1.5 trillion, representing about $250,000 per resident. Norway spends nearly $4 billion annually on EV subsidies-about the amount it spends on total highway and public infrastructure maintenance. Because EV subsidies favor high-income urban citizens, who take advantage of free tolls, parking, and charging and avoid the onerous tax on larger luxury vehicles, public scrutiny made the Norwegian government reduce several subsidies. Municipal parking is no longer free, EV passengers (not the vehicles) are subject to certain tolls, and a partial purchase tax was introduced on new electric vehicles. The changes will likely reduce EV penetration. For example, in 2022, Sweden eliminated several subsidies that resulted in a 20 percent drop in EV sales. You see this happening in the UK lol?

[@theodavies8754]

Someone who thinks oil comes from dinosaurs is not worth my time. Get informed or keep your ignorance to yourself.

[@AndyC2_]

I’d love you to do the exact same video on used EV car sales and values if at all possible 😢

[@GoGreenAutos]

Ok, will look into it.

[@Lewis_Standing]

Well done this is simple but great 👍

[@GoGreenAutos]

Like me then! :-)

[@Simonskilamb]

Haha is fud an insult elsewhere in the UK? It is in the west of Scotland at least. And sums up anybody who believes the fake news about EVs. Great vid.

[@GoGreenAutos]

Thank you

[@andrewgage6942]

I would have an electric vehicle, I've driven an electric Corsa and I like it, but I didn't like the screens, that's probably down to my age and my lack of understanding the screens, I don't understand computers, I used a computer for the first time last May, I had no need to use one before, the downsides of electric vehicles for me, they're unaffordable for the average working person, because I have no access to home charging living in the centre of town, public charging is way more than running my old diesel, can't pay for electricity with cash, I only use cash, never used cards, and the infrastructure where I live is appalling, there's charge points, but they're not connected to the grid, if they were more affordable and as cheap to run as they were back in the days when we had the choice of a Nissan Leaf or Renault Zoë, I think they'd sell even more, I can only speak from a personal point of view, but having lived in debt and having to quit my education to attempt to pay the family debts, debt scares me to the point that I pay for everything outright, I pay with cash, electric vehicles are out of my league, I'm definitely not saying that they're bad, I've only driven the one electric vehicle, apart from being far too technical for someone like me, the performance was brilliant, apart from a bit of wind noise and the tyres on the rough roads, it was silent, it could have done with a radio, but it's comfortable, easy to drive, even used, they're out of my league, for someone with access to home charging they are cheaper to run, I don't know what range it has to a charge as I only drove it around 70 miles I didn't see any indication like you would a fuel gauge, if I had the money and access to home charging, I would consider one, and, sorry Vauxhall, I personally prefer the original front end design, it looked more car like than the latest version, again, that could be an age thing

[@Un-Apologetic]

So you didn't read the whole SMMT report then ?

[@GoGreenAutos]

Why? What are you getting at?

[@Un-Apologetic]

@GoGreenAutos The SMMT report claimed that discounts costing £4.5b where needed to sell the 382,000 BEVs in 2024. The fine for the 46,000 shortfall is £703m totalling £5.2b. Also 95% of BEVs were business lease cars and that only one in ten private buyers bought a BEV. Their claim was that sustainability is unsustainable.

[@steve_787]

@@Un-Apologetic someone hasn't read the whole zev mandate then? Whilst the target of 22% has fallen short, there is a secondary "CO2 emissions allowance" that can be applied. This is taken from 2021 emissions figures so provided they save enough emissions overall (i.e. HEV PHEV etc.) they can convert those to count towards a "BEV" sale. From what I have heard, all manufacturers have managed to reach the requirements one way or another and no fines are being applied. I didn't see the discounts required for non BEV cars and what that totalled? A quick look at "brand new" petrol cars for sale on AutoTrader and there are £4k discounts on Citroen C3's, £7.9k off of Jukes, £2.5k off Corsa's etc. The whole car industry relies on discounts to shift cars, not exclusive to BEV's. How many people do you know that pay list price?

[@Un-Apologetic]

@steve_787 the goal posts are a changin'

[@steve_787]

@@Un-Apologetic nope, was always in there as it was published in Oct 2023. Just people latched on to the the headline figure of 22% and never read any more into it.

[@willeisinga2089]

China EV sales surpasse GasCars in 2025. 10 years ahead of scedule.

[@GoGreenAutos]

Same in Scandinavian countries. Yet EVs don't work in the winter!

[@sdjp19644691]

Always good to speak with data. Thank you

[@tvtower]

Ok if you want or indeed can afford a new or nearly new car but what is the lifespan of these things 8 years? Maybe 10 with much depleted range. I’ve just bought a 20 year old Suzuki. When you take into the consideration what it takes you to produce and scrap used cars who’s got the greener car now?

[@GoGreenAutos]

The lifespan of an EV is typically longer than the ICE equivalent. You've fallen for the FUD if you believe EVs need new batteries at 8-10 years old. In fact all EVs since about 2017 have 8 year warranties on their batteries which guarantee them to 75% capacity, so of course they last much longer as that threshold is lower so the warranty doesn't kick in. Typically the degradation is about 8-16% at 8 years old. I've owned three EVs now that have done over 120-150,00 miles and degradation wasn't a concern at all and range was hardly any difference from when it was new. My current Model Y has lost 1 mile of range in 13 months/15,000 miles. That's less than 0.5%.

[@budgetaudiophilelife-long5461]

THANKS GREEN FOR FIGHTING THE FUD 🤗💚💚💚

[@stevewhitmill2037]

Except private sales fell yet again in December

[@LunchSays]

how many hours have you wasted in your life charging?

[@GoGreenAutos]

None. Most charging takes about 10 seconds as its juts a case of plugging in and walk away. Most charging is done at night while sleeping. Then if out and about, you might charge while shopping, eating or using the loo at motorway services. You don't stand there holding the nozzle like a petrol car.

[@LunchSays]

@@GoGreenAutos yea u know what i mean. ooh buy the way petrol/diesil hybrid cars r now are zero emmitions. cause they didnt sell enough ev's. the scam goal posts moved again. tut tut.

[@robbenson4598]

Anyone who believes EV sales have crashed need to get themselves down to any Tesla delivery point. More than each of these sites are handing over 50 cars every day of the week!

[@toyotaprius79]

Let's be real tho, why would anyone want to give Elon any money at this stage?

[@crm114.]

@@toyotaprius79And, you don’t support the Chinese economy in any way? An authoritarian regime with a despicable record on human rights.

[@robbenson4598]

@ why would anyone want to buy a car that’s far cheaper to run & maintain, faster and nicer to drive than an ICE car?

[@Yorkshire-z5v]

@@toyotaprius79Must be great to have your principles? I take it you don’t buy anything from china, the regime there kills it’s own citizens.

[@stuartburns8657]

​@@robbenson4598Spoken like a blinkered driveway, cheap home charging EVANGALIST. Brave sir. 'I'm alright jack' medal is in the post!

[@Altair885]

So what's the purpose of this channel then if it isn't to try and influence people? I see a lot of these types of videos with people trying to dispel the myths around EV, but the thing is non of them ever actually provide proof about such issues as battery longevity, the resale value, repair costs, battery range in the real world especially in cold conditions. Let people do their own research and decide for themselves if you're not going to provide any information that a potential owner actually wants to hear!

[@limitedmark]

To convince themselves perhapse? Relying on electric that is governed by the price of gas ?

[@GoGreenAutos]

Hang on, you can't put all that in one video! Plenty of information about all of that out there and all covered on this channel too.

[@Xxj-y1n]

The devil is in the detail. Are you in the business of selling EVs by any chance?

[@GoGreenAutos]

Yes, but just sharing facts and figures and do not sell new EVs.

[@Xxj-y1n]

You clearly want to promote EVs that's your business but as we all know the sale of new EVs is mainly to get tax breaks and also rely on huge discounts which cannot continue for much longer.

[@trevorsbarkingmadchannel4501]

Great vlog and pleased to hear sales are on the up. Good news.

[@GoGreenAutos]

Thanks.

[@stevewhitmill2037]

Not for private sales.

[@Jaw0lf]

Fantastic information and well presented. I have had an EV now for 4 years and would never ever go back. My Previous ICE car was an Audi Q5 S line and I swapped to a Kia E Niro, that was far better specced than my 3 year old Audi. Now i have a Tesla Model 3 Highland and absolutely love it. It seems more people are listening to what we say and it seems the Fossil Fuel indutries have again turned up the heat to generate more and more FUD.

[@GoGreenAutos]

Thank you and good to hear.

[@MrWood222]

There is nothing green about EVs, this also goes for all the other socalled green technologies. Please stop lying to people.

[@GoGreenAutos]

I'm not lying. "Green" wasn't mentioned in this video.

[@davidilm3752]

What a plonker. Are you also a flat earther by any chance ?? Or just an obviously low IQ.

[@smithleon]

I have an EV and a diesel. I know which one i'd rather be in when its shut in my garage and running ;) Even IF we had no renewables on the grid (and we have a LOT) it would still be a far better use of the fossil fuels to produce electric to run EVs because they are so much more efficient at turning that energy into motion. ICE cars are hugely inefficient machines. Not to mention that you remove the emissions from the places where people are living and working and you remove the need for the fuel delivery network. 'Green' is a rather subjective term, but for those reasons i'd say they are greener.

[@quietsparks1]

The problem is depreciation!

[@GoGreenAutos]

The vast majority of people lease new cars, then hand back and start again on the next new car. Then the used buyers are getting some cracking value cars.

[@GaryV-p3h]

I appreciate mine more each day because of how much I save on running costs compared to my old petrol car. I'd never go back.

[@nickwf70]

People moaning about electric cars on KZbin are funded by oil companies, rubbish 😂... Come on

[@NigelRudyard]

I'll buy one eventually. Musk has put me off Tesla, to be honest. I have an Ioniq HEV at the moment, so it maybe a Kona EV next.

[@GoGreenAutos]

Tesla has around 130,000 employees and some of the best design engineers in the world. I wouldn't let one influence my decision.

[@NigelRudyard]

I don't doubt it, but I wouldn't want to own a product now synonymous with his lunacy.

[@bullittuk]

Did Hitler put people off buying a Volkswagen, does Bezos stop people using Amazon, oh I wouldn't buy Chinese, (typed on an iPhone made in China) knee jerk statements make me laugh

[@stuartburns8657]

​@@NigelRudyardWell said 👏

[@the_none_believer]

You're as biased as the anti EV bandwagon. Petrol, and diesel car sales held back because of the EV 22% mandate, EVs pre registered by the thousands to reach this target. Let's have a level playing field dump the EV mandates, and let the customers decide what they want to drive , then we can see which is more Popular? Also let's bury this myth once and for all that EV are environmentally friendly when you add up the total CO2 for both over production, and running theres little between them. Petrol, and diesel cars currently out live most EV's due to EVs currently being a new and evolving technology making EVs obsolete sooner.

[@Nikoo033]

It is not a myth, plenty of studies have already vastly demonstrated that over their entire life cycle, even when the electricity to run them uses coal power plants, EVs are better for us and the environment with a reduction in total emissions ranging 30%-70% depending on the country where they are used/charged.

[@the_none_believer]

@@Nikoo033 what about the child labour to mine the minerals, in these third world countries take it you're happy with that as long as you can be smug at saving the planet. EVs are disposable because of battery degradation, and unable to maintain it unless you're willing to pay thousands to a specialist unlike Ice that can go on using local garages and DIY. They are disposable until you're stuck with a load of battery waste, and don't know what to do with it, but carry on in belief of this green EV mythology 😊

[@AzadKhan-cx2ym]

Private buyers won’t buy EV’s

[@rugbygirlsdadg]

I beg to differ Neither myself nor any of the EV owners I know have company cars. They are all private owners.

[@malcolmfowler8972]

I'm a private buyer that bought one!

[@AzadKhan-cx2ym]

@@malcolmfowler89721 in 10 EV buyers are private the rest are fleet. Too much depreciation for private buyers to take a hit on. Even the local VW showroom will only take back certain models and refuse the rest as they can’t sell them second hand and that info is from a manager I know there. So enjoy your money pit as I doubt you’ll have any worthwhile value when you come to sell.

[@ThePrawlin]

I’m a private buyer. My Eniro is the best car I ever owned by far. Had it since new in 2020.

[@steve_787]

@@AzadKhan-cx2ym I've brought 2. My dad brought one. My sister brought one. My brother-in-law does lease his via his company. My Uncle has brought 2. and My father-in-law is on his 2nd. Any future cars are almost certainly going to be BEVs and brought privately.

[@peterbee8892]

We won't be going back to petrol.

[@rusty911s2]

Diesel (crash in) sales is just amazing. Who'd have thought that ten years ago.

[@GoGreenAutos]

Yep. They've disappeared so quickly. Almost no petrol cars were sold in the UK a few years back.

[@michaelmcnally2331]

Diesel car sales increased because of govt making them cheaper on the VED, so became more attractive. They were also lower on the CO2 then then the Petrol, but higher on NO2 however at the time Govt was purely focussed on CO2. Then govt changed track and Govt intervention now made them unattractive to buy.

[@stevewhitmill2037]

We run 3 diesels: efficient and cheap. All three together didn't cost a quarter of 1 EV.

[@rusty911s2]

@@stevewhitmill2037 Well they're cheap to buy and more efficient than petrol, but even then are half as efficient as an EV. Also, with diesels: DPF, turbo failure, cambelt changes, injectors (and seizing in heads) annual servicing, stinky refueling. I run a diesel 4x4 myself as it happens, so would like to think I'm pretty unbiased. EV's don't fit everyone, but just like smart-phones, flat-screen TV's etc, they will fit more and more people as time (and infrastructure) improve.

[@rusty911s2]

@@michaelmcnally2331 Yes and also around that time, there were massive improvements in diesel engine power, refinement and economy. So both product and policy drove growth, and we're now seeing a similar thing again.

[@alanevans9604]

2025 will be another failure for EV sales.

[@johnm7251]

Filthy diesel sales need to drop to 0

[@FreerunMediaService]

It's not the cars that are the problem. Going EV is just changing the place where the pollution is coming from and in this case it's China, well it still is. Not to mention the generators that provide power when there is a grid failure. That would be a challange when people are oprating on a person and the power goes down and the battery only holds up for 12 hours. Good luck with that one.

[@steve_787]

@@FreerunMediaService you need to do more research on the topic rather than repeat what you have heard.

[@Markcain268]

If you bought an ev and you are happy with it, why would you care what other people say about it? Does it stop you enjoying your ev knowing some people don't like it? I'm pretty sure lots of people would have something negative to say about my old car but i really don't care, I'm happy with it and that's all that counts!

[@stuartburns8657]

Driveway owner snd home charging capable I'm guessing yes?

[@Markcain268]

@stuartburns8657 who?

[@miraclemile6567]

For me I just hate seeing people being ripped off. Seeing people driving inferior petrol cars and buying a product they don't need at extortionate prices is like watching an old lady having her handbag snatched in the street. If you saw any other con going on in society you would highlight it.

[@Markcain268]

@miraclemile6567 well, you have your work cut out there, because that happens with virtually every product on sale! And cons go on in society every day, but, if the majority of people prefer ice cars then they aren't being ripped off, no more than the person who buys steak instead of burgers, they have a choice of which product they prefer and they make that choice, besides, at least a third of the uk can't charge at home so they will be getting ripped off at public chargers, also, many people can't afford an ev, used or new so they have no choice but to drive ice, me included!

[@miraclemile6567]

Used EV's are no more expensive than petrol cars. I have owned two now. Yes I charge at home, but even if I charged at public chargers it would be considerably cheaper than buying petrol. Your question was "why would you care what other people think about electric cars" I simply explained I care because I don't want to see people ripped off especially when they are constantly bombarded by lies designed to protect the oil companies.

[@etenwolf_junko]

Hi Matt, could u reply our email?