Have We Learned any Lessons from 1971? | Replugged

[@sadasatyamvada]

Pakistanis must keep in mind that when Pakistani military started the operation in 1971, nearly one fifth of east Pakistan’s population entered India as refugees. It became India’s problem. Hindus of east Pakistan bore the brunt of the Pakistani army’s brutality

[@sadasatyamvada]

Pakistan is the only country which needs to invent its identity. Even after seven decades, they have defined only one half of it as “not Indian”

[@jogeshwarkumar226]

Conclusion from this whole discussion and narration by various speakers is that Pakistan has not learnt any lessons from 1971 . The thing is that the situation is going from bad to worst even at present.

[@tanvirbawa9621]

See 29.8.1973 The New York Times Newspaper which reported that 90000 pakistani soldiers surrendered in 1971 before Indian Army

[@AliHossain-kn6kf]

Facts are many but the truth is one, Bangladesh hasn't forgotten 16th December 1971.🇧🇩

[@LACHIT-w9t]

But why do Bangladeshi praise Pakistanis in 2024

[@jameelhussain7614]

We are sorry 😢

[@khittaykachoudhary2360]

Now there is our pro Pakistani government in Bangladesh We will take back East Pakistan

[@pramodofindia]

@ProfHoodbhoy sahab, now Bangladesh is also on its way to becoming an Islamic state like Pakistan.

[@alyanij]

Oh really? Are you preaching godi media now?

[@BakriPeluddin]

Not only did Pakistan learn a thing, But even Bangladesh did not learn as well, Both are two sides of the same coin

[@Princesinghpc961]

Majority viewer are from Indian .because Indian love knowledge ❤

[@A__SB]

Well, it is a Punjabi issue! When the Punjabi on both sides of the border stops treating other groups as inferior then all will be fixed. Until that happens, you will get Baloch, Pathas, and Sindhi always revolting. The Bengalis to this day get treated poorly by the ordinary Punjabi, who discriminate against them because of their color height, and culture. Have seen first hand in Gulf nations. What is funny is, that the Punjabi in India similarly treats other groups of India, like Tamils and UP, Bihar, with hate and considers them inferior.

[@janadam1946]

Shakil Chaudhry makes the best Analysis. Great Work.

[@BakhatHussain-l2h]

Shakil Ch.sb presentation of facts & their articulation has been most impressive and cogent.

[@udayabose2357]

All discussions on this subject in Pakistan is peppered with "if, but, however".

[@sanjaychauhan1116]

Bangladesh 🇧🇩 will face same thing that Pakistan 🇵🇰 has faced in 1971 . People should respect their father and grandfather else partition ho jata hai

[@TheUndergroundRockstar]

Excellent and honest discussion. This is HOPE for Pakistan.

[@AtheistVegan]

Free Balochistan!

[@DrStrange234]

Free Kashmir

[@vinoddhore303]

Good Discussion

[@696pk]

the drama was master minded by a super power , it is said that even suggestion to surrender was also requested to that power

[@MuhammadZia-o2p]

Dr. Parvez Hoosbbhoy is the conscience of Pakistan. Such an eloquent and well thinking person is rare to find in Pakistan or even in the world.

[@dad-ms8mz]

Lesson - Don't mock India and don't underestimate it.

[@omarnaeem4483]

Very good program. Though two comments: 1) the sound quality could be improved 2) it could be a bit more structured

[@youtubewatcherdesi]

Not one person in the black hole asked, "Why did India not take over Bangladesh ?"

[@Sindhi001]

Two Nation Theory-1: India Pakistan Division. Two Nation Theory-2: Pakistan Bangladesh Separation.

[@primordialarchetypes2927]

Arz kiya hai, Kashti bhi nahi badli, dariya bhi nahi badla hum doobnay waalon ka jazba bhi nahi badla Hai shouq-e-safar aisa, ik umr hui hum ne Manzil bhi nahi payi, aur raasta bhi nahi badla

[@jamshedfbc]

Shakil Chaudhry sahab ❤

[@kpdwivedi1672]

I am sorry to say that democracy is meaningless in Pakistan and Bangladesh becsuse both societies are highly radicalized and radicalized democracies are more dangerous. But the best part is open discussion like at black hole is at least taking place. Please do not misuse islam at every step like in kashmir.

[@mahmoodali816]

Bengali brothers r live in our hearts

[@manojthaker3678]

1972 Bharat learned lesson. Not to help. Not to trust 🧐

[@AiHuman-l4z]

Change kaha aaya na online dekhte hai aapk program naa hi aapka hall full hai ese topic pe

[@RahulSharma-bv6qr]

India na jo seekha hai ki kyo jaan de apne bangladesh k liya 1971 mai jab 2024 mai bangladeshi khud 1971 ko bhul gye hai apne freedom fighter ka ghar jala rahe .... Wo bhul chuka 1971 mai kya hua tha hum Indian na galti ki us time

[@NARAYANDAS-in8bm]

1971 se pahle pakistan par atom bumb hota phir bhi tootata, Russia ke pas bhi atom bumb tha phir bhi 15 mulko me toota, Russia atom bumb hote huye kuchh nahi kar saka

[@anildubey9211]

Nice discussion.

[@user-qb1nr8po9j]

Why would Mujib be trusted over Bhutto when he was the chief accused in Agartala conspiracy case? Although the case was withdrawn on public pressure but it was admitted to be true by one person directly involved in it much more recently.

[@kpdwivedi1672]

Since birth of Islam in desert of saudi Arabia, it failed to evolve itself intellectualy. Only through sword and primitive wars, it did win vast territories. But evolution is the casualty in any war. After 700 AD, world undergone tremendous change in many waydie intellectual, technological, philosophical etc but Pakistan is one place which has gone back on evolution scale. I wish and Pakistan moves forward on the evolution scale, but it looks unlikely mainly due to fanatism built into islamic structure.

[@AjitJoshi686]

If people of Gaza are fighting against mighty army of Israel for years , Ukraine fights Russia, why did General Niazi did not fight. He could have defended Dhaka for months. It seems the no 1 army had no interest in maintaining integrity of Pakistan. 😮

[@rhs8874]

A lie repeated 3 million times does not become the truth! Yes, still too many lives were lost. The seeds of this separation started soon after independence.

[@mohammadsyedhusain9280]

The soldiers number amounted to three divisions in November 1971 with a divisional complement being 12,000 in East Pakistan. So, not more than 36,000 regular army complement. You can add the paramilitary (razakars) to this. For Mr. Hoodbhoy to insist a figure of 93,000 soldiers is not correct. This is also corroborated by the Indian Bengali writer Sharmila Bose in her book, “Dead Reckoning”. So the discussion has started with hostile elements. On release from jail, Mr Mujib ur Rehman talking to the foreign press in Dhaka quoted this figure off hand and it stuck. Prior to Operation Searchlight the situation had deteriorated greatly with the brunt being faced by West Pakistan families living in various places in East Pakistan. There were substantial killings of men, women and children living there from West Pakistan. I am not defending the army action but it started as a response to what has been narrated and was executed with military direction and planning later. The political situation had been made hopeless by the Chief Martial Law Administrator who joined hands in this evil enterprise not to recognise the people’s vote. The job was far too great for Yahya Khan whose responsibility had been a coup d’état against Ayub Khan so far. Also his military performance was such that when America expressed displeasure in the ongoing effort in Chhamb in 1965, and to stop the operation to please America, Yahya Khan, a known drunkard was brought in to replace Akhtar Hussain Malik. Yes, General Bajwa was right when he commented on the war in East Pakistan, it was a schemed political conspiracy at the highest level. There were some notable commendable actions in defending the country after 22 November when India formally attacked East Pakistan. Just think cooly, the entire populace is against you. What we feel should be directed at Bhutto and Yahya Khan. Admiral Ahsan and Yaqoob Khan deserted their posts when the country needed them. The army was led by an inefficient commander but the odds were too great and the end was inevitable. Finally, Yahya Khan was more interested in the diplomacy between America and China while East Pakistan was burning. It is also possible as suggested by western diplomats and President Nixon in their books that West Pakistan had been saved as a result of the threat given to Russia through moving the 7th Fleet.

[@rajryder666]

Lol 😂

[@MuhammadKhan-hk5qz]

First step towards improvement is " Realizing and Accepting mistake" But even now our army blames " Politicians" But become angry when asked.Why Yahya gave in to pressure from Bhutto and did not give Prime ministership to Mujeeb? Why Army which is ready to make coups did not overthrow Yahya.?Why Hamood ur Rehman commission report was not implemented?

[@RustamShaheen-iw2tp]

Incredible👍

[@PR-pu7pv]

16 Des. is victory of pakistan over secular nations 😊

[@champakpal]

I am from India love you very much you are original brothers parents sisters you are our heart 💜❤️❤ Japan and America friends so we are original brothers parents sisters peacefully life with kind regards love to the world love human being love people love Allah

[@rahuldeshmukh1246]

Every Bangladeshi must watch this show. Pakistan backstab Bangladesh till 1972 and now it's a repeat looking current Younus regime. Anti Hindu brought Pakistan to this pity stage and now Bangladesh with the help of jamaat and ISI becoming Pakistan. Are Bangladeshi so nieve to harm themselves by going on path of Pakistan?? Sir please suggest something for Bangladesh bright future.

[@The_Procrastination_Pro_101]

I guess you are not Bangladeshi..thats why biased by modi media. Bangladeshi Muslims are very tolerate and they are not anti hindu, and that's the uniqueness of Bangladesh which u dont get to see in India or Pakistan.

[@arungupta3509]

@@The_Procrastination_Pro_101 In 1946 Mahatma Gandhi advised the HIndus of East Bengal that unless a group of them fought and died like the 300 at Sparta, they would not be able to live in East Bengal. Only if they showed strength would the Muslims cease to prey upon them. If Bangladeshis have changed in the next 75 years, that is most welcome news.

[@angeleyessvenska9330]

[@tanvirbawa9621]

​@@The_Procrastination_Pro_101 Go again in the lap of progressive country Pakistan. Indian best wishes with you. Hope you progress like Pakistan

[@GoluKr-hn3lb]

​@@The_Procrastination_Pro_101 😂😂they are also very peaceful 😂😂

[@pappu33]

All star panelists.

[@bachhus]

The Nationalities or sub nationalities existing in the sub continent have thousands of years of history, language and culture and we cannoy deny it or forge common identity. Democracy and Federal structure may be an answer to keep everything united

[@jayachandrareddy2235]

The status of borders of Bangladesh might have been changed in favour of India during and immediately after 1971 war.

[@rajValath]

I think some words in HIndi/Urdu should be pronounced as za as required in writing. In Hindi, there must be a dot under the letter ja which makes it za ( For example, words like Zaroorath or zameendar are pronounced by many Hindi wallahs as jaroorath or jamindar. ) By the way, Bengali is much sweeter than Hindi or Urdu or any Indian language I have heard.

[@arungupta3509]

Bengali and Telugu compete in sweetness, don't they?

[@akhtarshahbaz6951]

My bengali teacher help me to escape to Nepal in his car.

[@PunjabiMuslim510]

Everyone blame Punjab

[@akshaysood1667]

Comments, I read . Redt of the story we know . Though Black Hole doing a good dervice . Cannot listen such long podcasts easily .

[@tahiratasneem5163]

Good job

[@alimmuhammad9275]

Why should we not hold the man ruling the country in 1971 General Yahya as the main culprit? He had the option to not listen to Bhutto and transfer power to the election winner Sheikh Mujib.

[@ghalibthemagnificent]

Discuss Current affairs guys, move on, people needs solution to their problems not lessons.

[@atokimruk937]

Bangladesh today is like a multiole cross between Pakistan, Syria, and Iraq, Somalia, and Afghanistan.

[@ariffarafat-Bangladesh]

The orange jacket lady- why would someone reject her to come and present something professional? Pakistani cricketers and singers are always coming and performing. I think she misunderstood 😮😮😮 something

[@muhammadanwarkhan4637]

ایک ہی سبق سیکھا ہے کہ ایٹم بم بنا لیا ہے ۔ اگر ہم 1970 میں ایٹمی طاقت ہوتے تو ہندوستان کبھی جارحیت کا ارتکاب کرنے کی جرات نہ کرتا۔ اور سیاست دان ملٹری لیڈرز کسی نہ کسی سمجھوتہ پر پہنچ جاتے۔ بھٹو صاحب تو بہت پہلے ایوب خان پر ایٹمی طاقت کے حصول کے لئے زور دے رہے تھے۔

[@LeelaaColor]

Pakistan is the only state that has attacked its neighbors since day one, yet accuses those same neighbors of aggression.

[@amitjgd52]

In the light of the ongoing Islamist upsurge in Bangladesh, this discussion is outdated now.

[@sadasatyamvada]

Two nation theory is itself so very racist. Is it any surprise then that west Pakistanis were discriminating Bengalis from day one?

[@PunjabiMuslim510]

Hood, every time Punjabis are blamed. If Punjabis were so powerful, they would have made Punjabi the national language instead of Urdu becoming Pakistan’s national language

[@rohand04]

Because thos is essentially the identity crisis that you guys have embodies.. you yourself dont own up to punjabi history and culture and language.. you abandoned your own lai made a so called islamic language as a identity.. which essentially is hindi in Persian script.. We Indians never made a national language.. because we are too diverse.. im a Indian Marathi Christian.. i have multiple identity not just one ..

[@garud7560]

The realisation is Bengali is 2000( officially only god knows actual origin ) years old and urdu is 800 years old . Fun part is Bengali is older than Islam and Christianity 😂😂😂😂

[@VictimHood-qv1hx]

Bangladesh have realised that Islam is more important than language and want to reunite with Pakistan

[@ParvinAktar-q5d]

says nobody but the biharis and jamatis

[@uncensoredwiz162]

Godi media?? Or you take alcohol like other pajeets?

[@The_Procrastination_Pro_101]

😂😂😂 what do u mean by reunite with Pakistan? Bangladesh is an independent country. we dont want to reunite with any other country. but we want friendly relationship with all the neighbouring countries.

[@tanvirrahman6869]

Na 😂😂😂

[@mbv1462]

😂

[@LACHIT-w9t]

Bangladesh has not learnt, how would Pakistan learn ?

[@akhtarshahbaz6951]

Where is this meeting which city of pakistan

[@reachingalltounderstandlife]

#neobengal

[@perincherigopinathan3586]

Bangladesh is now fatherless.

[@massihuddin9054]

Hamari establishment aur politician Kai liyai aik sochnai ka muqam hai magur wo bhi nikla ja raha hai

[@user-eu8iq5mz3l]

same thing going in Balochistan and Kashmir they are facing extreme level poverty and going though same path where bangladesh was gone in past.⏳

[@deepakagarwala3664]

Bhaijaan, PoK

[@tarangtyagi4086]

that's how they will merge into india if u read the history of all ancient civilizations persian egyptian roman assyrian thamud-dilmun mesopotamian babylonyan all are invaded and captured by islam but that h-indus civilizations is still there h-indus are the strong resilliancer of this invasion they will get it back under 100-250 years whole from afgan to indo ( most ancient h-indus civilizations ) coz all of them once a h-indus

[@jameelhussain7614]

کسی ایک نے بھی توجہ نہیں دلائی کہ گذشتہ ایک سال میں ائین کی شدید بے حرمتی ہو رہی ہے اور انسانی حقوق کی شدید خلاف ورزی ہو رہی ہے۔ تب شیخ مجیب جیل میں تھا ۔ اج عمران جیل میں ہے۔۔ کسی ایک نے بھی ہمت نہ کی کہ لمحہ موجود کا سچ بھی بول سکیں۔ تب بھی ہم خاموش تھے اور اج بھی۔۔۔

[@696pk]

two nation theory still holds as west Bengal is not integrated with BD...very confused discussion

[@bashirahmad9166]

بنگلہ دیش سے معافی؟ مزید معافیاں بردہلیز منتظر۔

[@BikeAndBeyondChannel]

Pakistan is a failed experiment and sadly Pakistan hasn’t learnt a bit from its past history and misadventures. It’s still continuing with different models of permutations and combinations. Its Army establishment, its political dispensation and bureaucrats ruling Pakistan over different periods in the last 77 years since its creation, have collectively failed to bring about any discipline and order and peace.

[@md.zahidurrahmansardar694]

Ayub khan and Punjabi fouji govt is responsible for separation of east pakistan not India.India could not capture or separate east pakistan in war of 1965.

[@miqbalkhan2014]

Mr sajjad is not a realistic person in connection to Pakistan's history. Just aaen baaen shaaen .

[@azeem_lahori-punjabi]

No

[@md.zahidurrahmansardar694]

Why democracy and peace established in pakistan after 1971? Pakistan saved after operation searchlight why wsr started with India and brave pak army surrendered so easily in short time war of 13 days.why stopped war in west Pakistan border?

[@waseemhaider-l5w]

When you hold a discussion on separation of two wings of pakistan in 71 it is imperative that you must also have a representation from Bangladesh also. Except for Dr. Hood the MIT scholar none of the participants appears to be in an age bracket who were mature enough to discern the propaganda fed by pakistan press in then west Pakistan to distinguish between truth and false Hood. Many an opinions offered by the participants still offer the same bias and lack of information that prevailed at that time. So many facts are still precieved differently by even the intelligencia even now fifty years after breakup of pakistan.

[@md.zahidurrahmansardar694]

Do you know Lahore resulation 1940? As per Lahore resulation east bengal may be separated. But Pakistan govt started genocide and destruction of east pakistan.

[@masoodbakhsh278]

Janab yeh Asbabon Kiya hai ? Sabab Wahid hai aur Asbab uska Jama hai.

[@dhaiaxarpremka]

Mukti bahini ko India ne support agarche kiya bhi to ye sochiye ki aaplogon ne kitni jadatiyan kari unpe. Unkil aurato ke jariye jawano ki jinsi jaroorat mitana shuru kari. Ye sab hone deta India ek bade padosi ke haisiyst se. Aap apneaapko India ke jagah par rekh kar soche Prof Hoodboy.

[@shahidminhas1682]

جناب ہود بھائی صاحب غلط بیانی سے کام لے رہے ہیں بھٹو صاحب کبھی بھی وزیر دفاع نہیں رہے۔ 22:54 22:54

[@Muhammad-pd3uo]

روزنامہ جنگ میں چھپے رئیس امروہوی کا ایک قطعہ مُجھے آج بھی یاد ہے۔ (بنگلہ دیش کا ہو طوُفان یا ہو رَن کَچھ کا میدان ۔ ۔ ۔ ۔ ۔ ۔ ۔ جب بھی قوم پہ آفت آئی کام آیا ہے ٹِکّا خان)

[@bachhus]

All the erudite scholars on the debate agreed irrespective of agreeing on the number of people killed and Women raped the incidents did happen and whatever the estimated number 56000 killed and 200,000 + Women agree these incidents were indeed deplorable. Hindu women especially eere the targets of Pakisthani Punjabi army men and some Mullahs in west Pakisthsn even declared Hindu women are war booty and rapes are legitamate. When we agree killings were bad, rapes were bad, looking from another angle should atleast West Pakisthanis appreciate General Niazi by surrendering he prevented massacre of Pak 93000 soldiers by Mukti Bahini and also rape of Pakisthani officers wives and daughters who were in Bangladesh at that time ?? One could argue perpetrators does not deserve mercy but even a perpetrator wants personal self protection snd safety of his women.

[@PunjabiMuslim510]

Hood ji, har vaār Punjābīāṅ nū blame karde ne. Je Punjābī powerful si, ta Punjābī nū national language banā lainde, Urdu nā ban di Pakistan dī national language.

[@user-qb1nr8po9j]

The only reason tens of thousands of civilians and soldiers died was Indian aggression. If some country must apologize, it is India.

[@dhaiaxarpremka]

Mainto kehtahoo Pakistan ke bashinde apne aapko duniya ke har digar mulkoke bashindo ke mukable khud ko afzaltar samjhte hai. Bangali to unkeliye kaale kaluche teesre darze ke muslima hai. Ye jahniyat abhi bhi jor shor se barkarar hai. Kamaskam 90% to aisehi sochte hai.

[@tqm790]

Pattern... Hindustan say bana Pakistan... Pakistan say bana bangladesh... Bangladesh say banaga??

[@danialkhan6020]

جناب آپ کے مسائل کا سبب منافقت اور ایمان فروشی ھے۔اسوقت دنیا میں اس فیلڈ میں آپ لوگوں کا کوئی ثانی نہیں۔آپ لوگ اکیلے اسلامی جمھوریہ پاکستان کے اسلامی اور پاک لوگ منافت اور ایمان فروشی کے سردار ہیں۔مبارک ھو یہ سرفرازی۔

[@md.zahidurrahmansardar694]

Urdu was not language of Pakistan and Bengali was language of 56% peoples of pakistan. Jinnah could not speak Urdu. English was state language during independence of pakistan. English may be accepted as state language. Urdu in west Pakistan and bengali in east Pakistan may be accepted as provincial govt language. In India no language problem created after independence of India. Jinnah was a lawyer not political leader. No qualificatin of administration. Sohrawardi was elected prime minister of united Bengal before independence of India and Pakistan.

[@debaschmidt]

Sajjjad denies to address the internal racism and hides behind the words "lack of wisdom". He thinks India made this possible😂. You,and West Pakistan's racism is responsible for it . ACCEPT, no lessons learned

[@sauravdas2031]

Lesson learnt should be don't finger India or your map will change?😅

[@Paradise-w4m]

Pakistani Army ko muslman bnao bss

[@aminsarkar3731]

Pakistan needs to officially ask Bangladesh for pardon and initiate trade and defense pacts with immediate effect. The two nation theory is still alive and it must be nurtured. Immediately flights and student transfer between the two countries must commemce. Pakistani assets Allah (swt) gave for the ummah of the sub-continent, primarily for Pakistan and Bangladesh.

[@aminsarkar3731]

Salam: Dr. Hoodbhoy spoke about the Urdu announcement by Jinnah Sb. in Dacca in March 1948. Urdu was adopted in the Constituent Assembly (Parliament) of Pakistan in February 1948 in Karachi. Out of 44 East Bengal members, 14 were Hindus and 30 were Muslims. Only 3 upper-caste Hindus tried to add Bengali. After failing in Parliament, they took the Bengali proposal to the leftist professional Dacca University student leaders. Finally, violence took place on 21 February 1952 and a few students got killed by East Pakistani police. Even Sheikh Mujib was not a language movement leader. All Bengali leaders like Nazimuddin, Iskender Mirza, Fazlul Haque, Mohammad Ali Bogra, Suhrwardy and Bhashani spoke Urdu as it was a lingua franca for Muslims from Arakan (Burma) to NWFP (Pakistan). The Hindu planners except Dhirendranath Dutta left for West Bengal in early 1950s where they never opposed Hindi. English also continues even in West Bengal. After the communist USSR and socialist India destabilized East Pakistan and finally created Bangladesh, the Awami League's socialist leader Sheikh Mujib became the PM, English was replaced by Bengali with Indian advice. Since then the country became the employer of English educated Indian Hindus. Mr. Bhutto introduced socialism to Pakistan and Mujib did it in Bangladesh. Alhamdulillah, subsequent Bangladesh leaders abandoned socialism like Narendra Modi did it in India. Both the countries progressed. In 2023, according to IMF, the per capita GDP rose to $2621 in Bangladesh and $2612 in India. But Pakistan did not give up socialism and its per capita GDP remained $1471. East Pakistan GDP per capita was higher than India upto 1975. From 1947 to 1971, both East and West Pakistan progressed. The difference was negligible, although upto 1757 Bangladesh was one of the richest countries of the world, making 13% of world GDP. But after the fall of Siraj ud Dowla due to Mir Zafar, his khalu, in 1757, it became oppressed by British and Hindus. It became the poorest in 1947. May Bangladesh and Pakistan together strengthen the two nation theory and help each other both economically and militarily against the Akhand Bharat movement. Fi amanAllah,

[@tqm790]

Many such Bangladesh on their way to emerge out of Pakistan... Inshallah

[@akhtarshahbaz6951]

Sam send 10 times larger indian army against 30000 pakistan army.Sam wrote in his book

[@rameshrajs8140]

SAKOOTHE DHAKA MUBARAK HO!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@pawanbadhla424]

Jinnah did not study geography in school.

[@clintwestwood5187]

Never trust the begairat ..this us lesson #1 Lesson #2..if you feed a snake milk it will still spit poison. Bangladesh under a new flag was still east pakustan. Same mindset and thought process.

[@akhtarshahbaz6951]

Y don't bengali forgive as muslims brothers to pakistan

[@akhtarshahbaz6951]

Army did not surrender Only Few General surrender

[@bambamkumarjha8120]

Islam or muslim bhi usi bartari me hai 🤣 samjhe Dr saheb.