Have We Learned any Lessons from 1971? | Replugged

[@sadasatyamvada]

Pakistanis must keep in mind that when Pakistani military started the operation in 1971, nearly one fifth of east Pakistan’s population entered India as refugees. It became India’s problem. Hindus of east Pakistan bore the brunt of the Pakistani army’s brutality

[@sadasatyamvada]

Pakistan is the only country which needs to invent its identity. Even after seven decades, they have defined only one half of it as “not Indian”

[@pramodofindia]

@ProfHoodbhoy sahab, now Bangladesh is also on its way to becoming an Islamic state like Pakistan.

[@alyanij]

Oh really? Are you preaching godi media now?

[@virendraSingh-je3sx]

When 3 million Bangladeshi were killed and over 10 millions moved to India as refugees, it was moral responsibility of India to help Bangladeshis and rescue them from genocide by Pakistan.

[@jogeshwarkumar226]

Conclusion from this whole discussion and narration by various speakers is that Pakistan has not learnt any lessons from 1971 . The thing is that the situation is going from bad to worst even at present.

[@youtubewatcherdesi]

Not one person in the black hole asked, "Why did India not take over Bangladesh ?"

[@tanvirbawa9621]

See 29.8.1973 The New York Times Newspaper which reported that 90000 pakistani soldiers surrendered in 1971 before Indian Army

[@AliHossain-kn6kf]

Facts are many but the truth is one, Bangladesh hasn't forgotten 16th December 1971.🇧🇩

[@LACHIT-w9t]

But why do Bangladeshi praise Pakistanis in 2024

[@jameelhussain7614]

We are sorry 😢

[@khittaykachoudhary2360]

Now there is our pro Pakistani government in Bangladesh We will take back East Pakistan

[@Princesinghpc961]

Majority viewer are from Indian .because Indian love knowledge ❤

[@Prav3321]

I am from india . I was in school that time . I remember many social organisation here were collecting garments ,food grains from people for Bangladeshi Refugees . They were appealing people to donate some moneyy ,food grains and winter garments for these refugees here in india .

[@mumbaitalkiezz]

Now some Bangladeshi people are saying that India was the reason behind separation of east and west Pakistan

[@manojthaker3678]

1972 Bharat learned lesson. Not to help. Not to trust 🧐

[@BakriPeluddin]

Not only did Pakistan learn a thing, But even Bangladesh did not learn as well, Both are two sides of the same coin

[@dad-ms8mz]

Lesson - Don't mock India and don't underestimate it.

[@Sindhi001]

Two Nation Theory-1: India Pakistan Division. Two Nation Theory-2: Pakistan Bangladesh Separation.

[@MuhammadZia-o2p]

Dr. Parvez Hoosbbhoy is the conscience of Pakistan. Such an eloquent and well thinking person is rare to find in Pakistan or even in the world.

[@primordialarchetypes2927]

Arz kiya hai, Kashti bhi nahi badli, dariya bhi nahi badla hum doobnay waalon ka jazba bhi nahi badla Hai shouq-e-safar aisa, ik umr hui hum ne Manzil bhi nahi payi, aur raasta bhi nahi badla

[@arbabulchowdhury8727]

Only on vital issiue that separated Pakistan in 1971 that majority party awami league was denied forming govt.

[@janadam1946]

Shakil Chaudhry makes the best Analysis. Great Work.

[@BakhatHussain-l2h]

Shakil Ch.sb presentation of facts & their articulation has been most impressive and cogent.

[@udayabose2357]

All discussions on this subject in Pakistan is peppered with "if, but, however".

[@NARAYANDAS-in8bm]

1971 se pahle pakistan par atom bumb hota phir bhi tootata, Russia ke pas bhi atom bumb tha phir bhi 15 mulko me toota, Russia atom bumb hote huye kuchh nahi kar saka

[@AjitJoshi686]

If people of Gaza are fighting against mighty army of Israel for years , Ukraine fights Russia, why did General Niazi did not fight. He could have defended Dhaka for months. It seems the no 1 army had no interest in maintaining integrity of Pakistan. 😮

[@TheUndergroundRockstar]

Excellent and honest discussion. This is HOPE for Pakistan.

[@sanjaychauhan1116]

Bangladesh 🇧🇩 will face same thing that Pakistan 🇵🇰 has faced in 1971 . People should respect their father and grandfather else partition ho jata hai

[@vinoddhore303]

Good Discussion

[@sadasatyamvada]

Two nation theory is itself so very racist. Is it any surprise then that west Pakistanis were discriminating Bengalis from day one?

[@omarnaeem4483]

Very good program. Though two comments: 1) the sound quality could be improved 2) it could be a bit more structured

[@696pk]

the drama was master minded by a super power , it is said that even suggestion to surrender was also requested to that power

[@samarpatil3853]

Even today we look at it as a tragic event political failure refugee issue triumph for someone defeat humiliation for someone but try to understand atrocities forced on one region which was together for centuries only few white man made the border and the region is fighting as if it's their destiny... Now we need to understand after world war 2 europe understood their mistakes worked on uplifting their countries now it's one of the developed nations...learn from them work on each other countries make this region superpower again...if we don't learn after 100 years we are still doing these kind of debates

[@LACHIT-w9t]

Bangladesh has not learnt, how would Pakistan learn ?

[@MdSalam-uv7mf]

I am watching your show from NYC. So far I understood the discussion was why East Pakistan got separated from West Pakistan. Please incorporate the English sub title so that those viewers who do not have sufficient expertise on Urdu language may understand the discussion clearly.

[@RahulSharma-bv6qr]

India na jo seekha hai ki kyo jaan de apne bangladesh k liya 1971 mai jab 2024 mai bangladeshi khud 1971 ko bhul gye hai apne freedom fighter ka ghar jala rahe .... Wo bhul chuka 1971 mai kya hua tha hum Indian na galti ki us time

[@chitrabhanubose1307]

I am from India and a great admirer of Prof Hoodboy. A physicist of excellence and great thinker and human being. Salute to you Sir.

[@alimmuhammad9275]

Why should we not hold the man ruling the country in 1971 General Yahya as the main culprit? He had the option to not listen to Bhutto and transfer power to the election winner Sheikh Mujib.

[@mahmoodali816]

Bengali brothers r live in our hearts

[@champakpal]

I am from India love you very much you are original brothers parents sisters you are our heart 💜❤️❤ Japan and America friends so we are original brothers parents sisters peacefully life with kind regards love to the world love human being love people love Allah

[@kpdwivedi1672]

I am sorry to say that democracy is meaningless in Pakistan and Bangladesh becsuse both societies are highly radicalized and radicalized democracies are more dangerous. But the best part is open discussion like at black hole is at least taking place. Please do not misuse islam at every step like in kashmir.

[@osmanahmed8185]

Lessons not learnt, conveniently forgotten , otherwise repeat of it would not have occurred.

[@MuhammadKhan-hk5qz]

First step towards improvement is " Realizing and Accepting mistake" But even now our army blames " Politicians" But become angry when asked.Why Yahya gave in to pressure from Bhutto and did not give Prime ministership to Mujeeb? Why Army which is ready to make coups did not overthrow Yahya.?Why Hamood ur Rehman commission report was not implemented?

[@rhs8874]

A lie repeated 3 million times does not become the truth! Yes, still too many lives were lost. The seeds of this separation started soon after independence.

[@rahuldeshmukh1246]

Every Bangladeshi must watch this show. Pakistan backstab Bangladesh till 1972 and now it's a repeat looking current Younus regime. Anti Hindu brought Pakistan to this pity stage and now Bangladesh with the help of jamaat and ISI becoming Pakistan. Are Bangladeshi so nieve to harm themselves by going on path of Pakistan?? Sir please suggest something for Bangladesh bright future.

[@The_Procrastination_Pro_101]

I guess you are not Bangladeshi..thats why biased by modi media. Bangladeshi Muslims are very tolerate and they are not anti hindu, and that's the uniqueness of Bangladesh which u dont get to see in India or Pakistan.

[@arungupta3509]

@@The_Procrastination_Pro_101 In 1946 Mahatma Gandhi advised the HIndus of East Bengal that unless a group of them fought and died like the 300 at Sparta, they would not be able to live in East Bengal. Only if they showed strength would the Muslims cease to prey upon them. If Bangladeshis have changed in the next 75 years, that is most welcome news.

[@angeleyessvenska9330]

[@tanvirbawa9621]

​@@The_Procrastination_Pro_101 Go again in the lap of progressive country Pakistan. Indian best wishes with you. Hope you progress like Pakistan

[@GoluKr-hn3lb]

​@@The_Procrastination_Pro_101 😂😂they are also very peaceful 😂😂

[@anildubey9211]

Nice discussion.

[@jayachandrareddy2235]

The status of borders of Bangladesh might have been changed in favour of India during and immediately after 1971 war.

[@AiHuman-l4z]

Change kaha aaya na online dekhte hai aapk program naa hi aapka hall full hai ese topic pe

[@ghalibthemagnificent]

Discuss Current affairs guys, move on, people needs solution to their problems not lessons.

[@VictimHood-qv1hx]

Bangladesh have realised that Islam is more important than language and want to reunite with Pakistan

[@ParvinAktar-q5d]

says nobody but the biharis and jamatis

[@uncensoredwiz162]

Godi media?? Or you take alcohol like other pajeets?

[@The_Procrastination_Pro_101]

😂😂😂 what do u mean by reunite with Pakistan? Bangladesh is an independent country. we dont want to reunite with any other country. but we want friendly relationship with all the neighbouring countries.

[@tanvirrahman6869]

Na 😂😂😂

[@mbv1462]

😂

[@RustamShaheen-iw2tp]

Incredible👍

[@ArshadNaeem-ju1kl]

تین چار بار سننے کے باوجود سجاد اظہر کی کتاب کا نام سے سمجھ نہیں آیا، پلیز جواب لکھ دیں

[@masumtanna4856]

Friendship for all countries from Bangladesh but not aggressiveness or dominate or hatred.

[@PR-pu7pv]

16 Des. is victory of pakistan over secular nations 😊

[@PunjabiMuslim510]

Hood, every time Punjabis are blamed. If Punjabis were so powerful, they would have made Punjabi the national language instead of Urdu becoming Pakistan’s national language

[@rohand04]

Because thos is essentially the identity crisis that you guys have embodies.. you yourself dont own up to punjabi history and culture and language.. you abandoned your own lai made a so called islamic language as a identity.. which essentially is hindi in Persian script.. We Indians never made a national language.. because we are too diverse.. im a Indian Marathi Christian.. i have multiple identity not just one ..

[@patrickdial5810]

Punjabi adventurism has been the bane of Pakistan: Examples of this: 1965 Indo-Pak war; Cargill; founding of Taliban; harbouring Khalistanis who are now asking for a lease to be given to them of all Sikh holy places and whose soul-deep desire is to revive Ranjit Sigh's Empire which includes most of Pakistan's territory. Two things the Punjabi adventurist ruling class could do to save Pakistan: (i) Don't get mixed up in Bangladesh (ii) Drop the Khalistani or we will lose Baluchistan and the Khalistan drive to revive Ranjit Singh's empire including the taking of Lahore will leave a small slit of Punjab as Pakistan.

[@rajValath]

I think some words in HIndi/Urdu should be pronounced as za as required in writing. In Hindi, there must be a dot under the letter ja which makes it za ( For example, words like Zaroorath or zameendar are pronounced by many Hindi wallahs as jaroorath or jamindar. ) By the way, Bengali is much sweeter than Hindi or Urdu or any Indian language I have heard.

[@arungupta3509]

Bengali and Telugu compete in sweetness, don't they?

[@garud7560]

The realisation is Bengali is 2000( officially only god knows actual origin ) years old and urdu is 800 years old . Fun part is Bengali is older than Islam and Christianity 😂😂😂😂

[@user-qb1nr8po9j]

Why would Mujib be trusted over Bhutto when he was the chief accused in Agartala conspiracy case? Although the case was withdrawn on public pressure but it was admitted to be true by one person directly involved in it much more recently.

[@bachhus]

The Nationalities or sub nationalities existing in the sub continent have thousands of years of history, language and culture and we cannoy deny it or forge common identity. Democracy and Federal structure may be an answer to keep everything united

[@user-eu8iq5mz3l]

same thing going in Balochistan and Kashmir they are facing extreme level poverty and going though same path where bangladesh was gone in past.⏳

[@deepakagarwala3664]

Bhaijaan, PoK

[@tarangtyagi4086]

that's how they will merge into india if u read the history of all ancient civilizations persian egyptian roman assyrian thamud-dilmun mesopotamian babylonyan all are invaded and captured by islam but that h-indus civilizations is still there h-indus are the strong resilliancer of this invasion they will get it back under 100-250 years whole from afgan to indo ( most ancient h-indus civilizations ) coz all of them once a h-indus

[@muhammadanwarkhan4637]

ایک ہی سبق سیکھا ہے کہ ایٹم بم بنا لیا ہے ۔ اگر ہم 1970 میں ایٹمی طاقت ہوتے تو ہندوستان کبھی جارحیت کا ارتکاب کرنے کی جرات نہ کرتا۔ اور سیاست دان ملٹری لیڈرز کسی نہ کسی سمجھوتہ پر پہنچ جاتے۔ بھٹو صاحب تو بہت پہلے ایوب خان پر ایٹمی طاقت کے حصول کے لئے زور دے رہے تھے۔

[@LeelaaColor]

Pakistan is the only state that has attacked its neighbors since day one, yet accuses those same neighbors of aggression.

[@kpdwivedi1672]

Since birth of Islam in desert of saudi Arabia, it failed to evolve itself intellectualy. Only through sword and primitive wars, it did win vast territories. But evolution is the casualty in any war. After 700 AD, world undergone tremendous change in many waydie intellectual, technological, philosophical etc but Pakistan is one place which has gone back on evolution scale. I wish and Pakistan moves forward on the evolution scale, but it looks unlikely mainly due to fanatism built into islamic structure.

[@tahiratasneem5163]

Good job

[@PunjabiMuslim510]

Everyone blame Punjab

[@zebaurang6590]

Come out past now Bangladesh want good relationship with Pakistan

[@IkramAli-h7o]

Acute Reasons 1. Heavy Awami League Manadate. 2. Z.A Bhutto wasn't accepting the majority of Mujereb & wishing to become P.M of country at central level. 3. Maulana Maudodi & his party Jamiat i Islami was willing to rule at Provincial Level with out mandate. 4. Creation of Al Badar & Al Shamas. 5. Creation of Mukhti Bahni. 6. Indian involvement & inborn wish to damage Pakistan. 7. Indian &Indera Gandhi's smartness to avail the situation. 8. Russian support to india. 9. American betrayal & neglection to help Pakistan at this crucial movement. 10. At UN Assembly Session the act of Mr.Bhutto to tear of the Poland's suggestions to stop the war & solve the problem peacefully. 11. A blunder role of General Yahya for not giving the government power to Mujerb ur Rehman. Chronic Reasons 1. Linguistic problem. 2. Geographic caus. 3. Continuous involvement of army in politics. 4. Continuous neglection of Bengali's rights. 5. Less developmental work in East Pakistan. 6. Considering Punjabi as superior & Bengalis as inferior people. 7. Majority of West Pakistanis in government employees in civil & army cervices. 8. Prominent role of Bengalis in the creation of Pakistan.

[@badruzzamanqamaruzzaman4082]

Bhutto refusual to go Dhaka and Mujebur rahman last speach become main reason of bloodshed leading to separation

[@BikeAndBeyondChannel]

Pakistan is a failed experiment and sadly Pakistan hasn’t learnt a bit from its past history and misadventures. It’s still continuing with different models of permutations and combinations. Its Army establishment, its political dispensation and bureaucrats ruling Pakistan over different periods in the last 77 years since its creation, have collectively failed to bring about any discipline and order and peace.

[@shuklarajeshsrtrajesh3535]

It's big failure in war by pakistan now no need any discussion but learn more and more lessons

[@mohammadsyedhusain9280]

The soldiers number amounted to three divisions in November 1971 with a divisional complement being 12,000 in East Pakistan. So, not more than 36,000 regular army complement. You can add the paramilitary (razakars) to this. For Mr. Hoodbhoy to insist a figure of 93,000 soldiers is not correct. This is also corroborated by the Indian Bengali writer Sharmila Bose in her book, “Dead Reckoning”. So the discussion has started with hostile elements. On release from jail, Mr Mujib ur Rehman talking to the foreign press in Dhaka quoted this figure off hand and it stuck. Prior to Operation Searchlight the situation had deteriorated greatly with the brunt being faced by West Pakistan families living in various places in East Pakistan. There were substantial killings of men, women and children living there from West Pakistan. I am not defending the army action but it started as a response to what has been narrated and was executed with military direction and planning later. The political situation had been made hopeless by the Chief Martial Law Administrator who joined hands in this evil enterprise not to recognise the people’s vote. The job was far too great for Yahya Khan whose responsibility had been a coup d’état against Ayub Khan so far. Also his military performance was such that when America expressed displeasure in the ongoing effort in Chhamb in 1965, and to stop the operation to please America, Yahya Khan, a known drunkard was brought in to replace Akhtar Hussain Malik. Yes, General Bajwa was right when he commented on the war in East Pakistan, it was a schemed political conspiracy at the highest level. There were some notable commendable actions in defending the country after 22 November when India formally attacked East Pakistan. Just think cooly, the entire populace is against you. What we feel should be directed at Bhutto and Yahya Khan. Admiral Ahsan and Yaqoob Khan deserted their posts when the country needed them. The army was led by an inefficient commander but the odds were too great and the end was inevitable. Finally, Yahya Khan was more interested in the diplomacy between America and China while East Pakistan was burning. It is also possible as suggested by western diplomats and President Nixon in their books that West Pakistan had been saved as a result of the threat given to Russia through moving the 7th Fleet.

[@rajryder666]

Lol 😂

[@md.zahidurrahmansardar694]

Urdu was not language of Pakistan and Bengali was language of 56% peoples of pakistan. Jinnah could not speak Urdu. English was state language during independence of pakistan. English may be accepted as state language. Urdu in west Pakistan and bengali in east Pakistan may be accepted as provincial govt language. In India no language problem created after independence of India. Jinnah was a lawyer not political leader. No qualificatin of administration. Sohrawardi was elected prime minister of united Bengal before independence of India and Pakistan.

[@garud7560]

BBN sports has better audio system than this university 😂😂😂😂😂

[@akhtarshahbaz6951]

My bengali teacher help me to escape to Nepal in his car.

[@fariaislam8241]

the Bad luck of Bangladesh is that somehow it was connected to india and pakistan...

[@akshaysood1667]

Comments, I read . Redt of the story we know . Though Black Hole doing a good dervice . Cannot listen such long podcasts easily .

[@suresh1957]

General Niazi contemptuously described erstwhile East Pakistan as “ A low-lying land of low, lying people”. With such racist attitudes widespread - indeed the norm - in the Punjabi dominated Western wing of Pakistan, it shouldn’t come as a surprise that the artificial bonds of religion that held these two halves in a rocky marriage came apart. Jinnah’s 2 nation theory witnessed its violent sequel 25 years after the first Partition.

[@PunjabiMuslim510]

Hood ji, har vaār Punjābīāṅ nū blame karde ne. Je Punjābī powerful si, ta Punjābī nū national language banā lainde, Urdu nā ban di Pakistan dī national language.

[@amitjgd52]

In the light of the ongoing Islamist upsurge in Bangladesh, this discussion is outdated now.

[@akhtarshahbaz6951]

Where is this meeting which city of pakistan

[@ariffarafat-Bangladesh]

The orange jacket lady- why would someone reject her to come and present something professional? Pakistani cricketers and singers are always coming and performing. I think she misunderstood 😮😮😮 something

[@massihuddin9054]

Hamari establishment aur politician Kai liyai aik sochnai ka muqam hai magur wo bhi nikla ja raha hai

[@pappu33]

All star panelists.

[@sudhakarshetty6753]

Only discussion no solution for the problems of Pakistan & Bangladesh.

[@dhaiaxarpremka]

Mukti bahini ko India ne support agarche kiya bhi to ye sochiye ki aaplogon ne kitni jadatiyan kari unpe. Unkil aurato ke jariye jawano ki jinsi jaroorat mitana shuru kari. Ye sab hone deta India ek bade padosi ke haisiyst se. Aap apneaapko India ke jagah par rekh kar soche Prof Hoodboy.

[@jamshedfbc]

Shakil Chaudhry sahab ❤

[@perincherigopinathan3586]

Bangladesh is now fatherless.

[@Muhammad-pd3uo]

روزنامہ جنگ میں چھپے رئیس امروہوی کا ایک قطعہ مُجھے آج بھی یاد ہے۔ (بنگلہ دیش کا ہو طوُفان یا ہو رَن کَچھ کا میدان ۔ ۔ ۔ ۔ ۔ ۔ ۔ جب بھی قوم پہ آفت آئی کام آیا ہے ٹِکّا خان)

[@md.zahidurrahmansardar694]

Ayub khan and Punjabi fouji govt is responsible for separation of east pakistan not India.India could not capture or separate east pakistan in war of 1965.

[@bashirahmad9166]

بنگلہ دیش سے معافی؟ مزید معافیاں بردہلیز منتظر۔

[@maheshkalwani4016]

At present what is happening in Pakistan? Imran is most popular but Shahbaz is ruling.

[@aijazalimakhdoom3686]

Urdu language was main reason of establishment of east Pakistan.

[@christopherpaul4698]

Diverse Discussion . Continuous crimes of Pakistan against Bengalis in East Pakistan led to the Liberation Struggle . No use blaming Sheikh , States or Sanathanisthan .

[@miqbalkhan2014]

Mr sajjad is not a realistic person in connection to Pakistan's history. Just aaen baaen shaaen .

[@atokimruk937]

Bangladesh today is like a multiole cross between Pakistan, Syria, and Iraq, Somalia, and Afghanistan.

[@debaschmidt]

Sajjjad denies to address the internal racism and hides behind the words "lack of wisdom". He thinks India made this possible😂. You,and West Pakistan's racism is responsible for it . ACCEPT, no lessons learned

[@jameelhussain7614]

کسی ایک نے بھی توجہ نہیں دلائی کہ گذشتہ ایک سال میں ائین کی شدید بے حرمتی ہو رہی ہے اور انسانی حقوق کی شدید خلاف ورزی ہو رہی ہے۔ تب شیخ مجیب جیل میں تھا ۔ اج عمران جیل میں ہے۔۔ کسی ایک نے بھی ہمت نہ کی کہ لمحہ موجود کا سچ بھی بول سکیں۔ تب بھی ہم خاموش تھے اور اج بھی۔۔۔

[@reachingalltounderstandlife]

#neobengal

[@wikitalks3627]

All this nonsense and narrative about 71 war has drowned in Bay of Bengal..Bangladeshis have brought down the statues of Sh Mujib..if this forum thinks that they are more aware than Bangladeshi ppl,they are wise ppl..Bangladesh may not become Pakistan but will join it as a friend, soon

[@a123boyzone]

Watching from India.

[@md.zahidurrahmansardar694]

Why democracy and peace established in pakistan after 1971? Pakistan saved after operation searchlight why wsr started with India and brave pak army surrendered so easily in short time war of 13 days.why stopped war in west Pakistan border?

[@bachhus]

All the erudite scholars on the debate agreed irrespective of agreeing on the number of people killed and Women raped the incidents did happen and whatever the estimated number 56000 killed and 200,000 + Women agree these incidents were indeed deplorable. Hindu women especially eere the targets of Pakisthani Punjabi army men and some Mullahs in west Pakisthsn even declared Hindu women are war booty and rapes are legitamate. When we agree killings were bad, rapes were bad, looking from another angle should atleast West Pakisthanis appreciate General Niazi by surrendering he prevented massacre of Pak 93000 soldiers by Mukti Bahini and also rape of Pakisthani officers wives and daughters who were in Bangladesh at that time ?? One could argue perpetrators does not deserve mercy but even a perpetrator wants personal self protection snd safety of his women.

[@md.zahidurrahmansardar694]

Do you know Lahore resulation 1940? As per Lahore resulation east bengal may be separated. But Pakistan govt started genocide and destruction of east pakistan.